1000. - Grace Ives

36:03Jason Stewart:Well, when you don't have a job, you got to create genres, you know? And language just like I think naturally evolves, right? Like we have new words every year. So the impulse to... It's almost time for our new words. We're less than 100 days away from our new words. It's true. It's true. I mean, yeah. I mean, and like you said, it's like the impulse to just label everything so that we feel like we know it and can remember it. Or that we can feel safe knowing that the square peg is in the square hole and everything's okay versus like, oh, a new thing came around and I don't want to use my brain to wrap my head around it.

36:41People get credit for this stuff now. It's like, oh, I'm the person who coined this, you know, it's whatever, like norm core or like.

36:53Jason Stewart:I'm the first person who said Twitter's back. Yeah. X is back. But what do they get? There's no plaque. Hey, great. There's no plaque and there's no money, so who cares? That's what I'm... I mean, the respect from your peers, I don't even like my peers. I'm fine. Sometimes it can be... If you have enough credits, if you're like, I invented Normcore and this and this and this and Nike pays me money and Google pays me money, then that can be a currency that you can use to make a living and it is worth fighting for against other people on social media comment section totally did you grow you grew up in new york right yeah born and raised in new how fucked up do you think you are from that i think i'm perfect because of it um well how long did you last in la oh i did i never i never like lived lived there i i just worked there for for way too long making this album because nobody wants to work in la ariel moves a little slow for your liking he's too busy opening some oranges we'll start at one we'll start at one today ever no a friend of the show we go way back yeah yeah he's the best but but it's it's definitely uh he is a victim of the la um turtle effect the la turtle effect i don't know we're inventing new shit we're inventing new shit every day there you go So let us guess what the L.A.

38:26Jason Stewart:turtle effect is. Is that just like your dope-ass house with your audiophile gear and your wine fridge and your whatever is the shell, and it is so easy to just hang out inside of there and never come out? I think that L.A., it kind of just like, there's not really a clear enough line between like hanging out and kind of like, what do you call it? Like a mixer, a kind of like work. Networking? Networking, yeah. Like when does the line between networking and just hanging out with your friends is very blurred? Yeah. And so I think that it's kind of like there's, it's always on your mind, you know, what everybody's doing and what everybody's working on.

39:03And everybody kind of has this like pressure to kind of say yes to everything because it like feels like no opportunity can like be passed.

39:16Jason Stewart:Like Ed Sheeran wants to get in the studio tonight. You're like, shit, I guess I should probably do it. Exactly. People would. They would. Oh, they definitely would. Oh, the hell yeah. Even Phineas. Yeah, sure. But they probably also said yes to three other things that day. Because everybody wants to do something. It's all about future planning in LA. And then that's why it's also a reputation for being flaky. Because it's just too much. It's like you said yes to too much. You fucked yourself. You're reading me down, mama. Are you in LA? Born and raised. Oh, really? This is a pretty good, honestly, this is a pretty good take on it, I have to say.

39:54I mean, I love LA. Because most people talk about the same, you know, they're talking about the same themes overall, but you're synthesizing it in a new and interesting way. Okay, well.

40:04Jason Stewart:That pleases Chris and I. Thank you. Continue. I mean, just the trouble. All right, so if you're locked in, we're in the stew, we're trying to get this thing done, what is your day-to-day looking like when you're out there? Because you have to adapt or die. Adapt or die, exactly. Exactly. I mean, I'm very like, well, when I was in LA, I'm like, I don't live here. Like, I want to work. I'm here to get in, get the job done, get out. I'm here to get in and get the job done and get out. Exactly. Not explore a new Thai food restaurant in the valley. Yeah, which, but then it's like you stay there for long enough and you're like, oh shit, I'm running late.

40:37I'm on my way. But you're stopping for a bowl, a grain bowl. And it's really good because the food there is really good. like the quality of life is actually awesome because the food is really good and it's beautiful

40:51Jason Stewart:but but it's very easy to say i'm just 10 behind and you haven't even put your shoes on yet kind of thing of course of course we all know but also like when somebody says that to me i know they're lying they know that i know they're lying yeah it's an understood it's an understood thing it's understood yeah can you drive yes i can drive i can totally okay then you're fine okay because that's what makes when people are there for like a year and they like uber everywhere i'm like that's insane that's horrible unless they're on pills the whole time then it does make sense yeah unless they can't yeah yeah unless they can't it's just better for everybody but otherwise it seems so i wasn't talking about you chris okay thank you thank you thank you i yeah i always drove on pills just to be clear i'm not a pussy just to be clear i'll rent the impala so you could get around you could you could come and go as you pleased i guess for sure i could come and go as i pleased but i kind of like learned to drive in la like i wasn't i had like a a history of doing a little something to every tarot card that i rented because i realized i'm like five one and a half and i was like damn i have no spatial awareness like i keep bumping things but then i was like oh i'm too low down so i got like a little cushion you need to get the range rover you need to get you need to sit high up well yeah i mean i was in these like little like corollas and stuff which are amazing and like but it's too low don't shout out how amazing corollas are no one's ever said a corolla is amazing that's the first time that's ever been uttered grace is afraid that corolla reddit is gonna come for her ass it's literally i have no because it's because i would love one it's like on the vision board for sure what what do you love about a corolla a toyota corolla is not on the vision board, Grace, and I'm a Toyota lover.

42:38Jason Stewart:Come on. Are you being for real? Really? I could probably pull it up. What do you like so much about the Corolla? Damn, Shorty really pulling out the vision board. Shorty pulled out the vision board. He's blocking the camera. And it's analog. It's analog. Well, this is an old one. This is an old one. I threw out the other one. But look, on my old, old vision board, it's me and Ariel. Look at that. That's actually amazing. best new music you have best new music isn't that crazy and this is a this is a hand cut out like physical board that you did a diy glue stick project thing diy and you did get best new music was that 8.4 something like that 8.4 that's pretty that's pretty serious that's pretty serious what is 8.4 that's fiona shit i was a mess because of that actually i i acting different No, I was upset.

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47:59Download the Quince app for app-exclusive offers or go to quince.com slash howlong. Get free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. now available in Canada and the UK too. That's quince, Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash how long. It was a really good actually lesson for me. It was like exactly the number that I was supposed to read because I was so kind of like obsessed and scared about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess just in a like trying to be good at school kind of way, you know, wanting to get an A plus. And then I got an 8.4, but my last record got an 8.42 and so i was like oh my god this is so confusing because i know that this is better but it's the same exact thing and then i was like okay what's the lesson oh it's that it literally doesn't matter and it's based on nothing like it's like there's no criteria well i think the i think the key with that stuff is we all focus on the number because it's very easy to process whether it's good or bad and no one wants to read the thousand words that actually are the meat of something like that like i think that probably those two 8.4s are very different if you read the actual reviews do you know what i'm saying which is i mean whatever that doesn't help

49:16Jason Stewart:you in your mental state getting an 8.4 on your sophomore slump record might as well be a 20 on pitchfork you know what i mean yeah totally i mean i i like talked to a to ariel about it he was like hell yeah 8.4 and i was like no it's not good he was like oh are you crazy and so you are actually crazy okay exactly he was like he was like kim gordon's out here getting fucking like sixes and i was like no she got a 7.9 and he was like oh you're actually crazy you're like kim gordon's rap record got a 7.9 what's going on i mean it's fire but like he was like you have to account for inflation i was like that's interesting actually so we're saying like if if kim gordon didn't have her illustrious career already if this was her debut album and would it would be maybe a lower score they're giving her a higher score because she's mother and queen or like but it's really a foe point foe my last record got an 8.4 but now because it already exists if something came out that sounded like it it would be lower than that i'm actually caught up in my own explanation i know what you mean i know what you mean do you know what i mean it's like you we didn't go anywhere so then the score i mean i i mean it makes sense on both both sides of the argument to me because like chris's theory is like you make a great album just keep doing that over and over again and we're going to be happy but we're not going to be happier than we were before we're not going to be 8.5 happy we're going to be 8.4 happy if you do worse it's going to be a three look I'm just look I'm all for artist growth of course but let's not grow too much you know what I'm saying let's not you know it's like when a kid you know a guy comes back from 6th grade summer and he's hot in 7th grade it's too much of a whiplash let's just slowly build this thing he's way stronger than we are now yeah let's just slowly build this thing there's nothing I hate more than like man you really did it to him and then next time it's like oh what if we introduce synths you know or whatever I'm just like no bro come on dude you're a band be a band i hear that i hear that i think it's it's so tempting when these when people get like access to more of course i think that kind of didn't mess me up it didn't fuck me but like i was in studio working with arielle and it's like it's limited to an extent but you kind of have everything like yeah and even mix when i was mixing with at dave fredman's studio up in in buffalo he has like he has actually everything and he had like chimes like huge chimes and we're like oh do we need to put chimes on it you know because it's there so i think it's so tempting to just like oh we're in the studio with all these synths like let's put it we need to use them when you because it'll be better because it's like fancier and the truffle guy brought in some nice white truffles from italy like we got to put them on the menu right or else we'd be doing ourselves a disservice.

52:21Exactly. No, I think that, I think that, yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right. I think it used to be very limited. Well, that's why most people's, you know, first thing is the best. It's their life's work and it was in a garage or whatever. And it's sort of like, you can't ever, you can't ever emulate that. I mean, something might sound better, like sonically, you know what I mean? But that is, I'm glad you were able to resist the chimes. I didn't hear any chimes. I mean, I think that we, I mean, we did, we delete, I think we might've recorded it, but I think we deleted it because it was like it's completely unnecessary you're not a chimer I mean it's beautiful but it's like why you know you have to kind of like of course okay why there's

53:03Jason Stewart:no like you're you're making music on a little drum machine sampler because you don't have a drummer and you're not a drummer so the why is very clear yeah when the chime is in play there's it's not necessarily clear as to why yeah i'm i'm interested in kind of like going back to the restrictions that i i feel like i used to have and just kind of working fire the team working with

53:31yeah well i'm so inspired by like you know there's like uh ween made i don't remember which album but one that i really like and they like took their advance and just like i mean i don't know allegedly just like bought like food and drugs and like went into a basement and made an album in like a couple weeks and it's fire because they had fun like i didn't take i didn't take you for a wean head but this is big i'm not i'm not a wean head myself but i respect this i like this for you a lot i like it a lot for you i like wean a lot chris is a wean fan respecter but i think i

54:05Jason Stewart:think people like you um the modern way of doing it you know like a skrillex kind of thing where It's just you're in a hotel room with your laptop and you basically, you know, you finish the song and then it goes to a professional studio to kind of, you know, cross the T's, dot the I's, mix, master and release, you know? Yeah, exactly. I'm looking at my gear and I'm like, it's more than enough to make an album. I'm checking out my gear now. We're fine. And you say you like a struggle, right? Yeah. I like to work hard. I think I have, but I think that I could kind of like, I could examine that a little bit.

54:44Like it doesn't have to be torture in order for it to be amazing. No, I disagree. You got to be on, you got to be on death's door. You got to be addicted to drugs. There ain't no way. Nah, hell no. No, you're getting like delivery from Mogador and like smoking a joint. That ain't, no, we ain't doing that. We need to be suffering.

55:04Jason Stewart:Well, does, does that cross over into any other parts of your life outside of, you know, making music? Is it like the house isn't clean unless I really killed myself swiffering or this meal that I cooked for dinner isn't a true winner if I wasn't fucking just working my ass for two hours? Like can a sandwich that took five minutes be as good? Kind of. I mean, it's not like it's not worth it, but it's like it would be as good as it can be if I give it as good as I can be. Like I have like, you can't see because of the camera, but like I have like a rash on my forehead right now because I was deep cleaning the bathroom upstairs.

55:41And I like was just like sweating and wiped my hand with it.

55:44Jason Stewart:And it's like, Lord knows. You got a bathroom rash. You got a call on your forehead of all places. Not a little bit. It's on my elbow. You know, forehead. Grace, look, you're doing you're doing OK. Let's get a cleaning lady in there. it's look if we can afford it as lowly podcasters you can you got a hundred every couple weeks for that i think uh yeah i mean but i have like the the thought or it's like my mom was always like if we had a cleaning person coming and clean we would have to we would have to clean the house before the cleaning person came the pre-clean is real no the pre-clean is real pre-clean is real yeah but your mom wasn't making an album every every cycle exactly no but she had three kids yeah okay that's worse that's worse of course that's way worse that's way worse yeah if i had three kids i would not i don't know what i would do but yeah the pre-clean is we we we're all about the pre-clean on how long gone that's respectful yeah well it's a respect thing number one and then number two it frees up the person's time to go and do the deeper work you know clean the oven go in on the shelves in the refrigerator shit like that yes they're not wasting time you know Yes.

56:53Jason Stewart:Holding your socks and shit. Yeah, it would be like a three-day thing if you didn't, if I didn't do the. What do you think, what inspired this clean? Had it just gone too far or did you, there was something deep inside of you that pushed you? It had been months at this point. It was like partly a procrastination thing where I actually had work that I had to do. I had like music thing that I had to do and I was like, but I really want to deep clean the bathroom. Right now, right now. Yeah, exactly. Tonight at like seven, from seven to like midnight. Seven at midnight. But it's also because I have a friend, well, my friend John DeBold, who made the album with me, is going to come and stay with me sort of indefinitely to just bang out some music.

57:37Jason Stewart:Just to lock in? Okay. To lock in a little bit, and I was like, this bathroom is disgusting, and I have a guest. Base level respect for your friends and family? Exactly. What neighborhood? I mean, we don't have to dox you, but what neighborhood do you live in? uh carol gardens oh okay okay okay no you're fine out there yeah you're fine out there fancy yeah you live you live in boston basically so you're fine what do you okay because i when people grow up in new york i'm always interested because a lot of them if you grow up in brooklyn you live in manhattan and if you grew up in manhattan you live in brooklyn is is that fair do you see that a lot too uh-huh absolutely okay but most people who grew up in new york or a lot of people who grew up in New York live in Queens now because it's like impossible to pay rent anywhere.

58:25I'm in a unique situation where I live in this is not my house. This is like my boyfriend's family's house.

58:31Jason Stewart:That is unique. It's very unique and it's very, I'm very grateful. I'm definitely lucky and blessed. But like I have the depression of being a native New Yorker where I'm like, okay, if I wanted to have an apartment here, it would be a shitty apartment because of how much money it costs to have a good apartment and how much you make yeah i lived in astoria before covid and like and it was really small i mean you're you're going on tour opening for rodrigo and it really is like that girl well i guess it was I don't know We'll see you next year She's like that tour hasn't started yet Big dog just let me be clear You don't get advances on tours The game done changed me It might change me Not all the checks have hit The Zelle yet is what we're saying Queens is just I went to A few months ago I had a shoot in Glendale, New York I told Jason about this and it was like, I've lived in New York for almost 20 years and I was like, I didn't know this existed.

59:39I don't know what this is. It took an hour on the train and I was like, at this point, this isn't New York to me. Like, I know it technically is. You know what I'm saying? What state does it feel like more, does it feel more Connecticut or Delaware? Like Long Island. Oh, I wish it, yeah, it just feels like Long Island. Yeah, I mean, in that way, it feels like New York. I guess I mean New York City. Yeah, for sure. I wish it felt, if it felt like Connecticut, it'd be great. I don't think there's that many auto body shops in Connecticut. Yeah. Everyone lives in Ridgewood, which I love. Well, your peers, I've been there once, I realized, and I've never really been.

1:00:11Because there's nothing to, unless you're Raven, there's not much to do there. Besides that one restaurant that people really like, which I've never. I don't know it, but. Rolo's is the one that everybody likes. You don't know it? Oh, okay. No. No, people do love that place. It's been there. It was like an early settler. It was like one of the first things there that made Ridgewood. People would go there to eat. Oh, that's cool. Okay. But you're the right age group for Ridgewood. Yeah. Those are your peeps. Those are my friends. Yeah. So you're willing. You can admit that. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah.

1:00:41Okay. I'm proud of you.

1:00:42Jason Stewart:What does your boyfriend do? Do you talk about him publicly or not? I don't really. Well, I'll tell you what he doesn't do, Jason. He doesn't clean the fucking bathroom. That's what he doesn't do.

1:00:57Jason Stewart:Grace liked that one. That's what I would say. Damn. Damn. Well, like I said before, I am a martyr. It's not good. I'm like, no, no, I'll do it. I'll do it. He's like, no, babe. No, no, it's fine. I'm just going to keep gaming. You finish it. You finish it. No, he's wonderfully talented and kind and special. And he does film and video work. Okay. So tangentially related. You guys understand each other's businesses. A fellow artiste. A fellow artiste, for sure. I'll tell you what. Beautiful. Girls love a director, man. I tell you what. That is something I see. I see that a lot in my life. Even if they don't get paid.

1:01:36Yeah. Go pretty far as a director. Who's your man? He's a director. I'm like, of what exactly? They're like, I'll send you the Vimeo link. Don't worry about it. Content. Yeah, exactly. Just content.

1:01:46Jason Stewart:He mostly does projects. Yeah. Well, I mean, it sounds pretty powerful, right? No, it is. Director is the boss. Commander, director. Yeah. It's one of the most powerful job titles that the follow-ups say a lot. You know, the follow-up questions reveal all, I would say, after you get into it. Exactly. That's really fucking funny. Okay, well, shout out to him. Yeah, I'm glad. We love. But you guys lived it, so it's pretty serious. Oh, yeah, we've been together for 11 years. 11 years? Yeah. Damn. Oh, the other thing he's not doing is popping the question, is what I'll say. Unless you're not interested in that.

1:02:27and let's grace put the pause on it no you said no i'm straight the album is called girlfriend not wife i'm just saying well that is like part of it actually yeah where it's like it's it's a it's a strange it's it's a weird thing to call him my boyfriend because he's not my boyfriend like he's

1:02:47Jason Stewart:yeah it's something else but are you one of those people who maybe like my co-host who doesn't like the word this is my partner partner i don't say partner well it makes sense like when you look at it and it makes sense for the word but i feel like it's it has been co-opted as a word and it feels you know as a straight person you you feel a little weird getting into lgbtq plus nachos Well, I'm not straight, but...

1:03:21Oh, wait, so you're down for whatever is what you're saying. Yeah, for sure. I mean, life... Okay, you're down for whatever, but okay. I'm just making... I'm just clear. I want to clear it up. I'm just happy to hear it. I'm just happy to hear it. Yes. But I think partner to me as a person my age, partner to me just evokes business. Oh, that's interesting. That's what I think first. And then I think gay. Right. I never think straight.

1:03:45Jason Stewart:Like, Chris and I are partners in How Long Gone more so than Ray and I mean. Like, that's where my head goes, and I just can't shake. But I'm reminded, you know, like the bumper sticker, too hot for New York, too dumb for LA, like that kind of thing. I feel like there's a real, you know, too something for partner, and then too something for fiance. Like, I feel like a lot of people are like, I don't want to say partner, but I hate how fiance sounds. It's weird, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Fiance is terrible. fiance is crazy and the only the only silver line to fiance is that if if you you know things go as planned it dies a death you know there's a there's an end date on it that is very same with girlfriend yeah yeah it's clear that it's that it's it's over and i think that's nice it's nice temporary for sure but yeah yeah yeah partner doesn't work for me we gotta say and you've been saying boyfriend like a regular you know you just throw it out there that's what it is yeah it's like it it's easy for people to understand.

1:04:44I don't need to... Who cares? That's what I said.

1:04:50Jason Stewart:I think it's cool that these are all real emotions that real people think and go through every single day in real situations and scenarios. And there's not a lot of art created about it. It's usually like a bad rom-com movie dealing with these themes. And artistically, otherwise i don't really see it much so right you and lena dunham are on the front lines i would say i love lena dunham gotta say no we all we all do we all do yes she's the fucking best absolutely well she she listens to the pod i'm sure she's a fan of yours you guys probably send a dm back and back and forth here and there but you know i would love to see you guys work together on something of course yeah i mean she's amazing she's on the vision board absolutely you already know a little g i've needle drop you know at the end of a movie something light that would be great when did you uh dye your hair pink which time dad well i was i did have pink hair in high school and then i dyed it pink like a year and a half ago and do you do you feel like do you feel like it's an era and you're going to end it or do you feel like this is the the grace for the rest of time i don't know it might be just like it feels normal and natural for me i think like i i let it fade a lot it looks it looks nice that's what i'm saying it looks nice because it's not it's yeah it's not od it's not crazy it's not i don't think i that would suit me um but yeah i mean i don't know i was like blonde forever and i look back at photos and it just feels not right and then i was read and there's probably more exploring to do as life goes on but i think this feels like it's growing out of my head like this so i i like it that's what i was gonna say because usually i find it to be a little extreme but it feels the right you found the right tone it kind of it reminds you do you know the band war paint kind of reminds me of that paint oh you should know war paint you would like war paint probably i'll send you a video right now rock band rock band are they are they jason are they they're not sisters right are there two sisters no i don't think they're sisters oh they're not at all well one of them is um is shannon sossaman's sister i know i feel like i do know oh that's that was the whole thing that was the whole thing they're good well yeah it's held up pretty well it held up pretty well i just sent you the link that's your homework to do after this grace that's that's your homework but you know it reminds me of like a very you know 10 years like 2016 we bleached the hair we did a little streak of pink and it's kind of growing out naturally and we're gonna go get smoothies later and go hiking and everything is gonna be okay kind of thing that is a very high compliment that's that's like i think what everybody wants when they dye their hair for it that's the north star that's what we're shooting for right exactly that is the north that is the north star what did you listen what were you into in high school.

1:07:45Were you a little freak? Yeah. I think I was like, you know, indie, like I was tapped into like...

1:07:51Jason Stewart:Elliot Smith? Licky Lee. No, not Elliot Smith, actually. But I was like, Yaysayer Animal Collective, Ratatat kind of person. And then... Okay, now you're talking our language. You're coming down to unk level right now. Yes, I am. Don't listen to Yaysayer Them Jeans Remix. I'm a big Ratatat fan as well. Yeah, Ratatat's awesome. Ratatat, underappreciated. Ratatat, deeply underappreciated. absolutely they they like completely created a sound like and kid cuddy stole it i love sleigh bells um that's where you and i differ really sleigh bells came up recently because i was like that song that the one song is unbelievable that shit is a classic i respect it i understand this new powerful music etc but it was just it never clicked for me it totally clicked for me i was like i was listening to that hardcore and then i was like a depressed high schooler for sure by the end and was listening to like i loved new order but then i i went to joy division and that's when you go from oxy to straight heroin yeah not 16 year old grace moping around listening to fucking joy division i was really sad but you're also but you're sad but you're because banger after banger from new order yeah exactly and then you're like joy division seven inch you're like oh jesus christ yeah joy division but then also good shit yeah then like you know like the kind of mopey or like beirut that kind of stuff that kind of just like it's just so interesting to hear you talk about this in the like in high school because this was like prime doing cocaine going out every night music that's awesome you're lucky like in a lot of in a lot of ways like maybe maybe not prime but like that era a little bit you know this is very like cmj south by southwest like this is going to be the biggest band in the world and then it kind of goes away yeah like you don't under you have you have probably no comprehension of what they said yay sayer was going to be they were like oh this is it the yay sayer oh it was like yay it was like oh this is the greatest thing ever met this is huge it's gonna be fucking massive it was gonna be a one record was awesome and then it just kind of went away no one thought about it again and now i think he produced something recently the guy from yesterday produced something that's like a thing right now and it was a weird twist to see his name he did he's got the new i spy song no jason i can't remember what i saw because he's like a montreal guy i got him yeah it's he did some i read about it recently maybe it was something like cool and new and he was involved in it but i was like i haven't thought about this guy in a while but those braids were iconic yeah not to bring it back to hair but those braids were iconic yeah they were really good my only like like that what you're describing of like going out and listening to that music feels like a perfect marriage my version of that i guess would be like when i was in manhattan going to like religious kind of uniform school and gossip girl was out and we were listening to like vampire weekend yeah that felt like god intended yeah exactly that felt like right moment right time right everything that's my version did you go out in high school like classic new york kid like too much too soon no no no i you were not at one oak no no i've had like the same like three friends my whole life i i was very like very were your friends real or were they animal collective they were very real but we were kind of like you know we weren't like popular i wasn't popular um so it was kind of just like you know hanging out at my friends my friend isaac's house on the weekends and like later we started to like you know buy 40s and and and smoke a lot of weed but it wasn't like i think i kind of like have always done the thing of like othering myself and kind of just assuming that i'm not really invited to things even though the popular people are like oh yeah she's cool like you know sure sure yeah no she's she's good yeah exactly i kind of always was like well no one is interested in me i'm not gonna have a boyfriend and i'm not gonna be popular so uh how much of that is still inside of you even though you became popular and have a boyfriend and people think you're cool on a scale on a pitchfork scale of one to zero to ten it would probably be like somewhere in the middle like a 6.8 maybe which is high that's a little high i know we can work on that we're gonna work on that for your level of success and talent we're gonna knock that down let's get it to a healthy five by end of year i would like a five yeah i mean it's hard like it's like it's i don't even want to say it's imposter syndrome but it's like it's just it's just uh it's just self-acceptance that's all it is well you know the the turtle shell after a while gets pretty cozy doesn't it grace yes it does it really does all your posters up in there you got your heated blanket i do i that is like really my comfort zone i mean i'm surrounded by like you know you got gilmore girls on repeat i got like a oh you got the pad mad she got the shakti mat in orange nice color orange nice color it's a good color And like I got all my cozy things and I'm like a, I like to just do my own thing.

1:13:21Jason Stewart:So more indica than sativa. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I'm on, I'm on, I'm on Prozac now. So I'm like, I'm feeling it. I'm feeling better. Is it working? Yes. It's crazy. I'm on Prozac now and I'm feeling it. How long, how long did it take to kick in? Like six weeks? Yeah. like like like a yeah like a month and a half yeah yeah that's so long but it's amazing i like went out with a new friend for the first time last night like someone i've never hung out with we like went to dinner and i was like so nervous yeah that's a good feeling though that's like a good feeling that's like how it should be i need i need to do this my boyfriend was like we're 31 like we gotta like you don't need to it's okay like you are you're you and nobody is like doubting like there are people in the world who are who would like to share a meal with you yeah on a thursday yeah and it can be good and it can be bad and it's all like fine look that's very i know we just met but i'm happy to hear about the growth this is big yeah once once you once you're okay with the dinner being bad that's when you really start flying you know or any interaction once you're okay with it being bad you know how many you know how many bad interactions i've had you know how many bad dinners i've had couldn't i couldn't you don't have enough time you don't have enough time it's good i mean it's like playing playing shows or anything where things like have to be kind of like an uncomfortable and bad like you have to you have to bomb yeah you have to play to no one well there's risk and there's a risk involved in all of this you know even if it's low stakes there is technically you know risk involved whether it's in front of 10 000 people or one yes it's still yes it still counts well hey shout out to prozac i'm glad it's working for you i'm glad we're happy and smiling and everything's going great Shout out to your boyfriend.

1:15:09We're happy and smiling.

1:15:10Jason Stewart:The bathroom is clean. The bills are paid. Yeah, this is good. Everything's good. Grace is living her best life. Probably got a kabocha squash. We're getting ready to be cooked later for dinner. Who knows? That would be awesome. But no. That would be awesome. The fridge is empty. All right. We can work on that. But look, thank you. No kabocha. Thank you for joining us, Grace. It was a pleasure. The album is in stores. You're going on tour, what, Europe soon? First? I'm going on tour in the U.S., opening for Gracie Abrams just for like seven or eight shows. I think it's seven. And then around spring of next year, I'll do Europe with Olivia.

1:15:48And that's it.

1:15:49Jason Stewart:We're running out of it girls to open for, aren't we? Jesus Christ. I'm telling you. Save some for the rest of us. I know. Congratulations. Thank you very much. That'll be great. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you for your time. We really appreciate it. We'll see you soon. Nice to meet you guys. You too. You too. Very fun. Our pleasure. We'll do it again on the next time around if you don't mind. I would love to.

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