1002. - Norma Kamali

31:43You want to be a part of it. You want to interact with it. And everything we do is some other form of creative experience. So this is not the kind of company where working from home can work. But if there are people here, maybe that work on the archive or things like that, and they want to work from home for a period of time. I don't have a problem with that, but I do feel the experience together is so, it's rich and it's important. Working out together where everybody from any department in any aspect of the company, working out together, sweating and trying to get through a tough workout, that's also, So it's sort of like a team that does things together and you feel.

32:35Jason and I are a team. We do that together sometimes. Do you really? Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

32:41Jason Stewart:We push each other. If we're in the gym and Chris doesn't have as many plates on the bar as he should, I'll call him a pussy in other names. So encouraging. And then he's able to hit his personal best goal by hook or by crook, as they say. So when you're doing these workouts in the studio, what is the participation rate and what kind of workout? Is it like Tracy Anderson mode? Like what is the vibe of the workout? It's a Tracy Anderson type thing. It's pretty rigorous. But depending on if there's a department that has a deadline, that team may not be showing up for that. What time is the workout?

33:24What time is the workout? It's the same time every day, 1230. and you could join us because we live stream, but it's Eastern time. So I'm not sure where you might be at that time. Okay, 12, all right, 1230. I'm in New York. I might come IRL. I might just show up. You could join us. Okay, and my follow-up question, how sweaty are we getting and how does that impact my return to the desk? Well, there you go. So people can bring whatever they like to change And we have pretty large bathrooms with many sinks and lots of opportunity to do whatever you may need to do to refresh. But we sweat together.

34:09And you know what? We stink together, too. So we're... But here's the thing.

34:14Jason Stewart:I have a feeling... But it's that good stink, you know? The pheromones are there. Tons. I have a feeling, much like Jason and I's wives, if we go do the same workout, I come out looking like I got splashed by a garbage truck. And you're maybe a little damp around the temples is my guess. It is tough on guys. It's because it's flexibility and it's just totally against sort of. So who is programming this workout? You? No. We have different trainers coming in. And sometimes we'll have a meditation. Sometimes we'll have yoga. Sometimes we'll... Push-up contest? Animal flow. Animal flow? Do you know about animal flow?

35:01Are you talking about goat yoga? There's a guy I follow in Switzerland who has this incredible workout. And it's animal flow. And it's using, just using your body against itself. And an animal, but you're moving like an animal is what you're saying. Yeah. Okay. But it's really brilliant. And he's got a global following. And he did a tour, a world tour. He does those occasionally. And he came and taught some classes. So that was a big day when he was coming to town.

35:39Jason Stewart:You put some signs up on the bulletin board. Yeah. we also told friends and people who tuned in and and anybody else that has a really interesting technique it's helpful yeah that's i mean so you're you're on the cutting you're you're sort of doing a live podcast but for fitness and for working out yeah um and i feel like the animal flow that i want to look into that because i people say like like crawling on all fours as a human is like in a really amazing workout i don't know how much crawling you're doing but No, definitely. Leo Moves is his name. And you guys take a look at it. It's pretty impressive.

36:18I've done a lot of crawling, actually. And it's deceptively hard. No, I mean, during COVID, I was crawling around.

36:25Jason Stewart:No, crawl, slave. I mean, it is gnarly. It's a lot harder than it looks, I think, is what people... You really have to... It's a full body sort of... Especially as Chris and I are both tall guys, so it's even harder for us to crawl. You don't want to see a tall crawl. No, that's true. It is. It's a lot of leg and arm action. Yeah. My core is so long. You know what I mean? When you started, you've seen all the workout trends come and go. You know, I've seen many in my whatever 15, 20 years of working out. What were the highs and lows? Like, were you jazzercising? Were you soul cycling? Like, how far do you take it?

37:02So I love, first of all, I love and still do dancing. So if there's a dance party, if I'm not invited, I still go. I love it. But I do think that the amount of dancing that happened in the 60s and 70s changed as you got into the 80s till now. So exercise really started to fill in in the 80s. And Jane Fonda clearly had a huge impact. She had an incredible cassette exercise routine that really still holds up today. And it's really fantastic. I work out every day. It's really important for me. So I've tried everything. and I pretty much like to stick to them for a while to really feel like I'm mastering it.

38:05So I was lucky to work and train with Joe Pilates' protege who took over when he passed and she was just incredible. You went straight to the source. You went to the source. Miss Pilates. I actually, yeah, I sketched some of the movements with the magic circle for people who have taken Pilates. Oh, what? I did that for 11 years, and I really loved that. But I like, you know, circuit training. I used to run a lot. But there are different things that you do for different purposes. And for me now, I think, obviously, and we all agree, muscle tone and resistance training is also critically important for

39:02Jason Stewart:men and women and for longevity. In terms of looking hot in clothing? And also staying alive. You're like, look. Well, I mean, people say the body is the best accessory or that is the style. that is yeah um well do you what do you say to other ladies in your life who have maybe been resistant to resistance training pardon the pun because they don't want to have their arms and shoulders look you know big and bulky they want to have a little more of a slim silhouette yeah i think so but i think um it takes time for people to adapt to different things and i i think it's best not to put pressure on them and say, you know, when you feel up to it, you'll do it.

39:50You'll come around. I'll see you. I'll see you. We'll save you a seat. I'll see you. I'll see you. I'll save you a reformer.

39:58Jason Stewart:The product sells itself. You don't need to convince you. If you want to go on the journey, you'll come find me. I mean, look, that's a lifelong commitment. I have to say it's quite inspiring because I think that you were doing this when nobody was doing it. Now this is all people want to do, which is it is like a very different time as far as our the way we look at it but i've i've never heard anyone talk about like the the rise of fitness culture and phenomenon coinciding with the fall of dancing just like general public dancing in society you know i was yeah uh my my wife's parents uh her dad had a birthday party his 70th birthday a few weeks ago and you know people who are around 70 years old you know a song comes on at a birthday party and everyone just gets up and dances not a single look of worry that somebody is judging them or taking a video they're just like oh music is playing and i just dance and nobody and i was like this does not happen at all for for my generation chris and i are in our 40s yeah let alone 19 year olds they're So like 11 people are filming them at any given moment, so they can't dance.

41:09Yeah, it's totally dancing. I can't be anywhere without just getting up. I don't care where I am, who's there. I don't care. I make up shit. I do whatever I want.

41:23Jason Stewart:Well, why do you think it stopped? Why do you think it stopped? I think the further away we got from socializing. And so the 80s, remember AIDS, right? So that took a toll. That really quieted down the nightlife and social activities, right? And that lasted a while. And I think that that's when health, the question about health started to come to the surface. And so if you work out, it's sort of a step towards health. And then I think bringing in this social communication really separates us. And now I think gyms probably are a great place to meet people. it's just i mean it's there you're wearing similar clothes that you would wear to to dancing you're moving your body especially the especially the ladies the ladies are putting it out there i gotta say i gotta say you know what they look like with their clothes off already yeah it is like dancing in that way point made yes exactly so i do think i and you're sweating It's all the same thing.

42:44And you share an experience together. And if you like to work out, and there's a guy who likes to work out too, there's a similarity that's really important, right? It's hard to be with someone that doesn't feel the same about it. I think it's challenging. it's hard enough in a relationship to have as many compatible things to to make it work are you both married yes yeah we are yeah we are yeah so uh so what's more important than nurturing a relationship and giving it strength and the things that you can do together if it's running or working out it's so great see actually i look at this i look at this differently i Obviously, my wife works out five days a week, but that's Chris time.

43:39I want to be alone. We do it together occasionally. Whatever. If it works out on the weekend or if we're traveling or whatever, we'll do it.

43:47Jason Stewart:I think you guys probably walk a lot together. We do walk a lot. We're New York residents. We do walk together. My wife and I, we walk the dog every morning. That's our communal fitness. We'll go do a Pilates class together every once in a while. But when I go to the gym, I'm like, Chris, I'm there. I'm alone. I've got my binaural beats playing and I'm trying to do a deadlift. No, I think that part of it is a separate thing. But I think that whether you walk together or run together or do different kinds of activities like that, I think that's great. And then there's no way my husband's going to do Pilates with me.

44:28He just does like, you're crazy. I'm not I can't do that I can't do that don't even you know well I was I was going to ask you

44:36Jason Stewart:because you were saying like how important it is for two people to be compatible on their level of fitness right have you ever dated guys over the years that were so hot you didn't care that they didn't work out absolutely we've been debating this off mic you know off camera in our personal lives but you know we're looking to expand our how long gone portfolio and we've been debating what we should do, and I think we've landed on a boat. I've been using Yahoo Scout to make my case for the boat. I've gotten a lot of great information from Yahoo Scout. It's organized it all perfectly for me, and I have the data to fight you in the squared circle, but do you have something to bring to the table?

45:21Have you been using Yahoo Scout as well?

45:23Jason Stewart:So the host of How Long Gone podcast, Buy a Boat, I typed in R instead of T, and it said, should it buy a boar? And then Yahoo Scout was really cranking out a lot of agricultural relevance with live shark farmings as an investment. And instead of saying, oh, did you mean a boat? It said, no, I'm going to give you lots of pros and cons and things that you should talk about if you're trying to win a debate about boar ownership. I'm still focused on the boat. I don't want to get into our financials, et cetera. I'm just going to put all that information into the Yahoo Scout and let it spit out all the data and then I'll present you with a kind of a fully formed idea in deck format and we can kind of take it from there.

46:07But I feel pretty good about this. Thanks to Yahoo Scout.

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46:55Jason Stewart:You might also hear from musicians, writers, tastemakers. I even recorded an episode with them as well on the cutting room floor. Even the bartender at Jay's favorite joint, because everyone eats, everyone has a story, and everyone has a take. Absolutely.

47:14You're like, we are not compatible at all,

47:16Jason Stewart:and I'm going to let this ride out for a few more weeks. I tell you, I had a lot of we are not compatible relationships. It definitely took me a long time. I mean, other than Ian. Other than Ian. Yeah, other than Ian. Thank you so much. Actually, Ian introduced me to my husband, and we got married four years ago. But you'd been together a long time? Yeah, but not a long, long time. You got married four years ago. Yeah. And I thought, how is Ian going to introduce me to the, like, what? I said, you want to introduce me to someone? Like, for what? Like, I thought it was a business thing. I mean, Ian's going to be six feet in the ground still connecting people somehow.

47:59Jason Stewart:You know what I mean? Here, there's going to be a hand coming out of the dirt with, here's my card. No, he takes full credit for everything and anything. I'm sure. That's for sure. I'm sure. That's currency in his business. Yes. What made you want to walk down the aisle? Because have you been married before or no? I was married at 19, which was crazy. Ahead of the curve. Well, I was married at 19 because that was the only way you could get out of the house and be okay. But it was a 19-year-old getting married another 19-year-old. What good can come from that? How long did that last? It actually lasted 10 years.

48:42That's pretty good. That's better than I would have thought. Those are 10 prime fucking years, though. They are very prime. But it was also when I had the business and was exploring the fact that I found my creative place. And so it was great.

49:01Jason Stewart:You were in business with your first husband at the time, right? Yeah, he was a student. And he was a Persian student in New York in the just pre the takeover of the Shah. So it was a very, I knew a lot of Persians who were here, some who were pro-Holmeini and some who were pro the Shah. And when they got together, it was crazy time. It was, I understood that there was something very tragic happening. But I couldn't understand the culture that I didn't know. And then all of that happened. So in between the 29 when I was single again to meeting Marty, I definitely wanted not to be married. And I didn't feel that I could run a company and be a good mother.

50:01so I spent a lot of time volunteering with kids in the schools the public schools and so I I was good and felt all of the opportunities I could create with the business were really fantastic and creative and I've been very lucky to have a creative life beautiful as a result But you dated, of course. Yes, but I didn't pick the best. You weren't looking for love, maybe, is what? I might have told myself I was looking for love. But because I wasn't thinking about marriage, I didn't have the right perspective. So I can't say that, yeah.

50:52Jason Stewart:Well, you know, actually, there is a quote in your book that stuck out to me in this same vein. And you mentioned how important it is to fall back in love with love. Yeah. How long after a relationship does it typically take for you to fall back in love with love? Yeah, I mean, that's the most unpredictable thing. falling in love can be described in many ways sometimes it's uh connecting with something that's not healthy for you and the other is connecting with companionship or friendship um so there's so many reasons why we think we're in love um and sometimes the real question is are you with the person you deserve and that's really that line to me a mentor that i've had for many many years said to me are you with the person you deserve and i thought no that's such a mentor thing to say isn't it no way it really is he said hell no this guy's a loser and so i i really, I wondered, how do you get the person you deserve?

52:12Like, how does that happen? But I think being consciously aware of it, that and not allowing, you know, to just to go down that wrong path, it's, it's, it's much better to have that as the picture of what you want.

52:27Jason Stewart:Yeah. And I feel like there's so few men out there who, who deserve to date you just in general, Well, I have to say, Ian is really, we're best friends. And he has been an incredible friend for me, and I hope I've been the same for him. And he knew, he was positive that this guy was the right guy for me. And he was so right. And I feel that he is the person I deserve. And hopefully he feels the same way about me. But the real, the person who saw that first was Ian. That is pretty crazy. That is pretty. What does Marty do for a living? Oh, he's an advisor to people that run countries and that are, he's a very smart man.

53:22So I'm super, super lucky. Shit, okay, damn. I didn't know where that was going to go. I was hoping you were going to say property developer and you went the opposite way. So I'm happy about that. No, and he obviously was advised Ian and still does on a lot of things. So I am very lucky. Well, unless he's offering that advisement you don't want at home. But otherwise, it sounds great. Otherwise, it sounds pretty good.

53:51Jason Stewart:I have some thoughts about how you design your closet space here, Norma. I would advise you to give me some more room, please. um well speaking of uh of fitness i was wondering like you you've been into like natural fabrics and cottons and you know sweatshirt materials you know and we sort of went into the polyester and the synthetic fabrics and we're now starting to come back you know into you know looser cotton wear um so what what like in 2026 what are you wearing to work out in and what are your thoughts on kind of like modern athleisure clothing? Yeah, I think one of the things that really brought fabric back into my attention in from the sort of health wellness area is I love infrared saunas.

54:48I love red light therapy, but I can't always do them totally nude, which is ideal. um so what do you wear if you're if you're wanting to do an infrared sauna or

55:04Jason Stewart:if you're going to put yourself into a microwave what kind of lid are we going to put on what would you want without the waves without the waves yeah you're right we got to cover the cookie somehow what's it going to be so i so i started make some things out of cotton t-shirt fabric so it's really thin like thin shorts and thin thin jog pants and t-shirts and so you can sweat in it and it breathes and it's white and it's cotton and it's really great so it tells you that you need to think about the fabrics you're putting on your body and different things. But I do think that there are so many different fabrications.

55:52A lot of the fabrications that we would like to have for sustainability and for the future are by nature maybe more expensive right now, maybe more complicated because of the different treatments to kind of recycle and do some of these things. So I think the effort now is how to make it accessible and affordable for everyone. But I think the intention generally is to think about sustainability. Is this fabric washable? All of my clothes are washable. No dry cleaning. There's so much information about how dry cleaning is directly correlated to Parkinson's. So why would you want to?

56:46Jason Stewart:I'm glad I've never had a real job where I had to wear a starched shirt. All of our tuxedo wearers get tested for Parkinson's. Or just wash your tuxedo. No, you can't. Shriek it up. Just put it in the machine. I'm going to go put my Tom Ford tuxedo into the tumble dry. You put that in the machine. Do you wash and dry your clothes, though? That's what you do for everything. Just classic wash and dryer. You hand. Well, I use, first of all, I use fabrics that you can wash. And you can wash a lot of fabrics, even fabrics that you don't think. I learned years ago when I started, I used to sell vintage clothes.

57:26And these vintage pieces would be, like, dirty just from age. And so I learned how to wash things in the sink to get everything sparkling clean. And you can do silks and satins and velvets. And so I think that washing, hand washing is so much better. Even if you have a coat, I make these coats out of sleeping bags. and you can take a sponge and wash the coat so that the bacteria doesn't decay the fabric and that you keep the life of your clothes longer if you obviously clean them. But dry cleaning fluid is not good for you, obviously. I kind of know that you know that spiritually, even if you don't have the facts, you know?

58:22Yeah. But there's something about, oh, there's something about taking that shirt off the hanger

58:26Jason Stewart:And that's why you have, it's because you walk in, you give them the stuff and they, it's like a kill room in a, you know, in a factory farm. Like we're going to put your shirt back here. Yeah. You don't want to see what we're going to do to it to get it clean. Well, I mean, Jason, even worse now, a lot of it in New York, it's offsite. They're not even doing, they're sending it somewhere else. Yeah. You're right. Somewhere in Hoboken. But the shirts, I mean, if they're washing and ironing the shirts, that's okay. Yeah. I see what you mean. It's just the actual, look, I worked in dry cleaners and my father's dad owned.

58:59It's unfortunately part of my lineage. It is part of my lineage, but I'm not, I don't feel attacked. I think you're correct. And I side with you. But there's something about dropping off the sweaters, the beginning of the season, getting them back. But I guess that's not, I think what you're talking about specifically is like the machine, right? You're talking, I know what you mean. Okay. That's a little, there's a little nuance. And it's something that everybody has to be aware of. How much of a germaphobe are you? Do you wipe the plane seat down? Well, at a gym, I wipe everything down. That's crazy.

59:33We're past that. I can't. I have to. I'm sorry.

59:36Jason Stewart:I wipe everything down if there's somebody watching me. Only if somebody's waiting on the machine. But even then, I look at them and judge. There's an attractive woman nearby. You want to display that you're a clean guy. If it's a hot college guy, I'm like, you're fine, bro. But if it's an adult woman, I'll clean the machine. I'll give it a ceremonial wipe. If it's somebody who doesn't need to see what the silhouette of your ass cheeks look like on vinyl. I'll do them a favor. And et cetera. All right, but when you get on the Delta flight, you don't bring your own wipes. No, I'm not that. Okay.

1:00:14All right, you're fine. You're fine. That's a little too much. I'm a New Yorker. How can you be a germaphobe? I mean, it's just impossible. Any public anything is just contaminated. So you have to build up your immune system. And so what better way? I would like to think my immune system is rock solid. I think I'm working with a monster when it comes to my immune system.

1:00:38Jason Stewart:Wake up, go outside, lick the sidewalk, grab a cup of coffee, start your day. And that's how you raise kids in New York. You throw them out on the street and you say, go for it. And then that's how they develop it. Be home for supper when the streetlights come on. Mama's going to make some shoulder pads. Oh, actually, speaking of shoulder pads, does anybody do a shoulder pad better than you? Absolutely not. No, no, no. You're the Madonna Confessions 2 of shoulder pads. I own that. completely actually i can't take credit for it because the person who was running my sample room at the time we were doing shoulder pads came up with this brilliant idea to take velcro and put velcro in the garment and velcro on the shoulder pads so you could put it on and maybe size them up depending on how high on coke you are that's right you could stack those shoulder pads medium large kind of thing so the truth is people did stack up the shoulder pads and would have bins and bags of shoulder pads so yes shoulder pads are definitely a part of my heritage that's good i mean for for how well known you are for being the shoulder pad and that person and then learning that you've never done cocaine i don't you know down is up up is down you would you would look you would look at somebody's you know super crazy exaggerated 80s shoulder pad look right and say whoever made that is surely on some of the finest cocaine you could you can enjoy yeah that's why so many people i remember um really nice guy he's always come coming in and buys things and he said i have some i have something for you that i think you're gonna like and i said oh He said, I have some candy from Pakistan.

1:02:35I said, oh, my God, I've never tried candy from Pakistan. Oh, my God, what's it like?

1:02:43Jason Stewart:Sour, sweet, what's the vibe? Oh, my God, sounds amazing. And then he pulls this thing out of his bag, and it's a tinfoil log of some kind. and he starts opening the tin foil and I said, that just looks like candy. You said, brother, that's not going inside of my body. I said, no, no, no, no. So was this like a hashish or like a heroin or? I certainly am not the authority to know, but I know it looked serious and it looked like he. It was big and brown. He had a lot. He had a lot of business coming his way. He looked like he made an investment and he wanted a return on the investment. Well, you found out how he could afford the clothes, at least.

1:03:34You know he's a returning customer if he moves this shit. So that's a positive for you. He actually was a good customer. Yeah, he was very good. But I do, and he did mention, which leads me back to the question, he did mention that looking at me, he thought for sure that I would be interested in the community from Pakistan. That's a powerful, that's powerful. That's powerful.

1:03:58Jason Stewart:And not because you look like you might be Pakistani yourself, but more so like this bitch does drugs. Something I might want, yes. I just thought it was something you might want. Sorry, sue me. Okay, speaking of drugs, how do you feel about the Met Gala, John Galeano situation? Any thoughts? Are you and John friends? I know you have gowns in the Met. So for one, he truly may be in modern times one of the top creative people in the industry. He did make a seriously huge mistake. Under whatever influence or not, it was definitely a bad mistake. You know, to some people, the remorse may not have been enough or too much, whatever it is.

1:04:55It's certainly a hard topic. But it was, I think, very difficult for that topic to reemerge again. And I think that that was tough on everybody. I mean, yeah, I think that it was, you know, you got to make a call, I would say. And I think it was so clear that the call was made after pressure was put on. But the call had to be made. But I don't know where you go from here. I don't know what you do if you're them. I don't know how you, I think you got to take a year off. That's what it feels like to me. I agree.

1:05:33Jason Stewart:I mean, well, what do you think? That's what I'm saying. The Met. Kamali is the theme this year. Kamali is the theme. You're like, I have some ideas. No. You wouldn't be flattered if one year down the road you were there? No, no. I have no interest whatsoever. Well, it might not be up to you. When's the last time you went? It's not what I do. I don't do it. I think the idea of being able to enrich the museum with the amount of money that's made. But I do think it's hard now at a time when there's sort of a, it feels like a let them eat cake kind of approach to what's going on. But the efforts that people like Anna Wintour made through the years to build the American fashion industry can't be appreciated enough.

1:06:35But right now, I think it's a very delicate time and some careful thinking about what we can do for the fashion industry. There are a lot of designers who are beginning their careers who really need support to stay in business. It's a tough time in the industry to stay in business. I think we need to start helping our own and finding a way to support the industry with the same kind of effort. I think the museum is a beautiful platform, but there's a lot of contradictory commentary on what is next. Where do we go next? Yeah, definitely. I mean, no, it definitely does feel like a, I mean, it's like all that stuff.

1:07:33It grows and grows and grows and turns into something maybe that it wasn't intended to turn into. But like you said, the amount of money coming in is going to a good cause, or at least a lot of people think it's a good cause. So it's sort of tough to shit on it when the end result is pretty good. But it does feel like, you know, when it's another actor looking like an idiot, you know, like, what are we celebrating here? You know what I'm saying? but you forget how much money is going to the, you know, I don't think people really know. I think most of the public has no idea that that's even why, why that's happening.

1:08:05Jason Stewart:So basically, you know, if, if, if somebody has no idea what you're talking about, you know, these tens of millions of dollars are being spent to acquire and curate and store these, you know, antiquities of fashion over the years to preserve the, you know, the, the collection of work i think it's um some of that but i and i'm not an expert on it but i think it's to produce the next installation yeah um but and that brings in money i mean you know look a lot of people go see this stuff it's not you know this isn't yeah it's not the slime museum you know but it's doing numbers yeah uh it's doing numbers people are going through the doors you know and paying them But the culture is different now.

1:08:47And I think it's making us think about what the priorities are. That's good for everybody sometimes, no matter what we're talking about. Always. We always got to reassess. Yeah, absolutely.

1:09:00Jason Stewart:Speaking of priorities, Norma, are you one of those people that plans to live forever with or without technological help? I would say in my life, this time period is the most exciting. I think what's coming feels to me like it's going to be more exciting than any experience I've had in my life. So I am very interested in being around long enough to be a part of it. I want to be a part of it. So I'm trying everything I can to figure out how to go the longevity route. And I'm trying to find out about everything. And I think that AI and technology are really very beneficial when it comes to medicine and health care.

1:10:03And I think that there's opportunities for you guys who are in your 40s, you said, and for me to look at how to have a healthier life and how to benefit from some of this technology. so and we are learning more and more and actually paying attention to working out eating the right foods understanding the value of protein all of those things are now so commonly known by 13 year olds and you know and 80 year olds i mean it's so i think that's i think that's really important so what would you guys what what do you think how how how long do you want to live i want to live to 120 shit all right um i don't i don't think i'm touching 120 i'm saying i'm how old are you you said what 81 81 i'm good with that no for me no i'm good with that i'm honestly i'm good with that no i'm good with that norma look we just we just met i've done a lot of damage to my body that i've worked to correct of course but i'm saying i might have i might have kicked the can

1:11:19Jason Stewart:a little too far around the road anyone that's a win baby yeah that's a w for us i'm doing everything i can't look i'm okay well norma is your intention 120 that's 40 years from now that should be enough time for ai technology to be able to fuse your brain and your stem cells into something that whatever yes i like this you'll say all right you're down you're down for i like your you're you're open to it okay okay follow-up question norma i'm open if there was no technological you know advancements going on in the world of longevity where people do believe in our lifetime we will be able to live forever with or without help of of technology if it was just you living on a village somewhere without any access to that would you still want to live to 120 or would you want to maybe, you know, 113, we can kind of call it, you know?

1:12:11Jason Stewart:Tap out at 109. Because the quality of life without the assistance of technology... Yeah, could be tricky. Could be tricky. Could be tricky. I think the health is really key. And if you, you know, if your brain is working and on fire and you want to really be a part of a contribution to something, you have to really be able to contribute. um i don't want to be a dependent on the government on anything anybody but i would like to contribute and i think that that would be the barometer of how i would decide that's a good i think that's a good way to judge it you got a job to do you're gonna you're gonna wake up every morning and go for it do you guys do you i have a question do you guys do you guys see yourselves retiring no oh no ever no i'll die i will die if i retire it's true it's true what else i don't got shit else to do this is it i totally so both of you do you jason you too yeah i'm the same way yeah if i go on vacation and i lay by a pool reading a book after four hours i'm i'm done you know what i mean i know i know i so that's the bottom line is you don't want it to end right As long as you can do what you're doing.

1:13:31And maybe there's a variation of it or another version of it. Yeah, you're right. As long as you're operating at a place you want to be operating, you're right. It's a positive. And you guys do, what, three podcasts a week? That's right. So, I mean, you're cooking. You're really on fire. We are cooking. Thank you. But seriously, right? And think about, you know, the potential of where all of this can go and how the change in the culture can affect what you do next. So I don't think 81. I'm sorry. You have to take that back. 81. No, no, no. All right. Fuck it. All right. Fuck it. I'll hit 96. All right.

1:14:13I'll take your advice. All right. Norma, thank you.

1:14:15Jason Stewart:Wheelchair can't be that bad. Okay. Real last question. Okay. What do you do if creatine makes you bloated? I hate it I hate it

1:14:27I try different versions of it it's not working I don't take it either I can't stand it

1:14:37Jason Stewart:I don't know why I felt compelled to write that question down for you the universe was telling me she has strong opinions and she did and bloating women in our lives might be taking creatine. Yeah, but bloating is not. And that's a women's worst nightmare is a little bloating. So bloating of any kind at any time, not good. Yeah. Yeah, it's the bane of a skinny bitch's existence. But probiotics, really good. And I'm going to recommend one. B-I-S-I-O-M-E Okay. is a probiotic that is fantastic for bloating. Okay. Not specifically, but for everything. It's a high-level, high-quality probiotic. Just sharing.

1:15:25Okay, you don't get a kickback from this, right? You don't get paid. I get nothing. Nothing. I believe you. I believe you. All right, look, thank you for joining us. It's been a pleasure. Oh, nice. This was great. A pleasure. Thank you.

1:15:37Jason Stewart:Thank you. Yeah, and congrats on the book, I Am Invincible, is available on paperback, as Chris said at the beginning of the show. Thank you. But it's a very fun book. It's got workout. It's got quotes. It's got recipes. philosophies. And my favorite part is just personal stories about your life because you've had quite a life. Quite a life. I'm going to hit you about coming to a workout class. I'm going to take you up on that. Totally. I have to. Bring your wife. I will. She works unfortunately, but we'll see what we can do. Okay. We'll figure it out. We'll see you soon. So nice, guys. It was a pleasure.

1:16:08Thank you. Our pleasure. Take care. Bye-bye.

1:16:19And so I'm writing you may find a love you lost Cause now I'm sitting here with the man I sent away long ago