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1:14offering both virtual and in-person sessions, nights and weekends. You can search by what matters, like insurance, specialty, identity, or availability. And you can book a therapy session in minutes and begin in as little as two days, not the national 48-day average. See if you could pay as little as$0 for therapy in seconds at growtherapy.com slash ACAST. That's growtherapy.com slash ACAST. growtherapy.com slash ACAST. Availability and coverage vary by state and insurance plan. Here we go again, Joe. Okay. Okay. Oh dear. Do you want to hear my emergency thought? I suppose. We've all been waiting for it since last week.

1:59You know, when you put down a multi-adapter, you know when you want to turn a plug socket into four plug sockets? So you plug something in and then it's got a wire, then it's got like a long rectangle at the end with four plug sockets. Yeah. When you like throw that down, do you ever feel a bit like you're throwing down like the ghost trapper? from Ghostbusters. Yeah. You go... Exactly what you're talking about. I mean, I feel like a bit of a dude when I'm putting that down. I had one of those. The Ghost Trapper. Yeah. And I had the backpack and stuff. It's a good film, isn't it? I loved Ghostbusters when I was a kid.

2:37I had all the toys. I had the car. I had the firehouse. Yeah. Fuck, man. Should have kept hold of that stuff. I've still got the car. I've still got the car, actually. It's funny. I think I didn't realise how it was – because it's a comedy, right? It's just straightforwardly a comedy. It's not. But it took me a while to realise as a kid that it was a comedy. No, it's really funny. There's a bit where Dan Aykroyd, I think they're walking through the library, and he goes, listen, you smell that? That made me laugh. That made me laugh so much. And there's a good bit where they've tried to take down a ghost and they're walking away and hasn't gone well and they're going, get her.

3:24That was your entire plan. Get her. But yeah, no. The only thing that disappointed me with my toy version of the Ghostbusters backpack, protoplasm, what are they called?

3:41Protoguns or something like that. Was that obviously in the film, they have all this electric stuff coming out of it and it looks really cool and stuff. In the toy version, it was a piece of yellow foam. Right. Like a long cylinder yellow foam that you just sort of wiggled about. Yeah. And I was like, this looks shit. I'm just going to use my imagination. And I'll tell you what, if you're using your imagination, that really is a shit toy. I had a mental imagination when I was a kid. I was an only child for a long time. I was fine yeah I was absolutely fine I'm very comfortable in my own um company even to this day and you you are an LHR aren't you no I've got a sister oh she's a sister I was about nine or ten I think before she was born oh yeah I think she's just turned 30 gosh yeah yeah but that is quite a big gap I know when her birthday is I can't remember oh jeez well it's it's like that's the sort of the Venus situation isn't it like I know I'm alright with that Venus stuff was confusing yeah I haven't seen like the new the new Ghostbusters films but they're fun oh I'll tell you something the first I think I'm so bad at just seeing new stuff I'm basically you'll get around to it yeah there's no fucking there's no use by date with films yeah you just get around to it often it's like 20 years have passed before i even yeah some stuff i'm like god i can't believe i still not watch that i need to i need to watch that do you know what i've tried to watch shindler's list a few times i feel like i need to be in a happy mood to try and watch that yeah i've like watched the the first sort of scene yeah and it's the bloke and he's just like standing by the window or whatever and i'm like oh this is too heavy for me right now yeah it's the same with me with afterlife i'm sure afterlife is great i'm sure it's absolutely brilliant but it just kicks off with a bloke like losing his wife or whatever and i'm just like oh no that's like one of my biggest fears i can't yeah no i watched something um at my parents house where a little girl died and i was like this is fucking horrible yeah and like when i was a teenager i was utterly numb to everything i was just like whatever ridiculous like people are crying at this made up that's a that's i would just be like that's an act what the fuck are you doing but actually yeah um and also it was because it was based on like um i know that it was based on a little girl who actually did die in real life i did cry watching the um watching the first of the most more recent ghostbuster films right because we were talking about that yeah um because there's a bit where harold ramus right they bring him back as a ghost oh because one of the characters is his grandchild or something like that obviously he the actual guy is dead now oh yeah um and i was just like and it was it was a it was a nod it was a nod to the fact that not only is the character dead but the guy yeah um that i think he directed yeah is it harold ramis and dan akroyd are the writers yeah i think right so because you like bill murray feels like in a sense the sort of presiding spirit of those those first Ghostbusters films but I think it was actually yeah, Ackroyd and Ramis so Ramis is the guy with the glasses who's like Egon Spengler yeah but it's genuinely and that the first two Ghostbusters films were like one of my handful of go-to films that I'd always put stick in the VCR and watch.

7:40It's such a good... I genuinely got choked up when I watched that. There's a little scene where he comes back as a ghost and everyone's like, oh, sad. Sad he's not here anymore. Yeah, it is, yeah. The passage of time. Bill Murray seems like a lunatic though, doesn't he? Doesn't have an agent and so on. Doesn't have an agent. That does seem a bit mental. I think he only turned up on the day. Like Dan Aykroyd and Errol Romer trying to make this film and stuff. And they're like, oh, we'll get our mate Bill involved. And he's like, yeah, yeah, whatever. And then they can't really get in touch with him.

8:13And then they don't know if he's... They said, like, we're making this film. Are you going to be there? And then it was like, we don't know if Bill Murray's going to be... And it was like the day of film. He's like, all right, I'm here. What are you all worried about? Yeah. Usually with films, you have like a read-through and stuff. Yeah, you do. And then you have like costume fittings and things. And everyone knows exactly when you see the people before they start the film and stuff. Bill Murray's a bit, I think he's a bit like sort of, you know, whatever, man. Yeah. Yeah. I can sort of, I don't know what I think of that because in one way, it sort of, obviously he's like, well, why do we need to worry so much?

8:55Yeah. But then actually it's like, well, you probably have, other people probably, in a sense, you've transferred the worry from you to other people. like they probably I mean his point is like I'll come in do the film I'll be brilliant I suppose maybe his point is you know I've given you my word I'll do it and I did do it I mean if there had been experiences in the past where he said he was going to do it and then didn't turn up then maybe you could say well you know that's a problem yeah no I don't think he's ever done anything like that yeah I suppose well alright yeah not having an agent seems I mean I'm a nobody and I have an agent I know and also there's and even my nobody career generates enough paperwork that it would be a bit of a car crash if I didn't have an agent.

9:39I don't know. Whereas somebody that... Maybe he's got a manager. Oh, I see. Yeah, because in America they divide it up, don't they? Maybe he's got a manager. Also, they love dividing stuff up, don't they? If you are a... Oh, division of powers. Yeah, manager, agent, lawyer. Lawyer. Your lawyer works on your deal and takes a percentage. Yeah. I remember when I was doing that, I was doing this TV show, this sitcom in America, I was like, fucking hell, the money I'm on. And then by the time everyone got their fucking little hands in my pocket, because you've got a British agent as well, you've got an American agent, manager, lawyer.

10:15It's like, oh, right, well, glad I did all that work for you guys. It feels like a sort of a big... But if you're Bill Murray, again, it's like apparently he's got a phone number you can call and you leave a message or something, and you will eventually get around to listening to it or something. I don't know. But if you're Bill Murray's, he must be like, well, you know who I am and you know what I can do. So if you want me to do it, call this number. And if I want to do it, I'll let you know. It doesn't have to be complicated. At our level, we need people saying things like, have you considered James for this part?

10:48No, we haven't. Why would we? Well, maybe you could. Have you considered Joe? Yeah, no, he'll be better than that. Yeah. no don't look at no he's improved since then that sort of thing yeah do you know what i mean that's that's the kind of um that's the kind of thing i imagine my agent saying i don't i i don't do you ever think about what your agent's saying about you i say it's a horrible thought i say things to my agent all the time about what they're saying about you i remember when i got with my agent that i'm with now i was almost saying uh i was just saying things like we went for a meeting they were interested in representing me and I was saying things like I think it's really hard being my agent I think it's really it's going to be almost impossible to get me work it's really really difficult and they were going no we love a challenge oh that's nice so they weren't saying they agreed they were like yeah no we know that's yeah it's up to you don't say I didn't warn you it'll be our Everest getting you what's cake you turned up with joe wants some sweets you want me sweets what have we got fantastic oh yeah amazing oh yeah can i jelly babies i might take a jelly baby i don't really like i don't like sweets that often but i don't mind a jelly baby it's haribo tangfast it's the best the best i think tell you what i like i like that they're all powdery so they're not sticky What is that powder?

12:22I'm not sure about that powder. That's not a baby. What have they done to jelly babies? I like eating their heads off. I haven't had a jelly baby for years. I find them too sweet. They are sour. They're sour? Are they? Yeah, they're a bit... Well, I just had a green one, so I assume that's a lime. What is that stuff on the outside? Is it talc? Because they're babies. Someone's been like... they've got into the tail compound yeah I should start putting pseudochrome on yeah

13:03nice yep

13:07have a jelly baby here you go thank you what are we doing are we doing a podcast apparently yeah

13:21Are we doing a podcast or are we just eating jelly babies? I can't remember. We're doing one... Today, did we meet up in the studio to eat jelly babies? Something like that, yeah. Look how much I've got here now. Hobnobs. Best biscuit. Probably, yeah. Love the hobnob. So buttery. The chocolate hobnob. Keep all this in. Right. We're still rolling, aren't we? Okay. because I thought maybe you might have assumed we were taking a break or something, but what we're actually doing is recording the podcast. Yeah, we're going. We need this. I mean, we need... I've done my emergency thought. Have I got anything else?

14:03Well, don't worry, Joe, because we can talk more because we've got a podcast. And I've got a fact for you. Okay, good. That if you don't already know it, which I think you might do because you're quite smart, is going to... I hope you react in the same way as I did when I heard it this week. All right. I was like, whoa, no way. Well, that sounds good. I'm not happy with my microphone. I'm worried I have already read it because I read down the episode. But I'll pretend. Did you already know it? No. All right, brilliant. No, I didn't know it. Right. Which is actually ironic, I think, given the nature of the fact.

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17:32you've been sending in some fact up stuff for us to discuss and what uh one of those things yeah is uh obviously uh this uh from isla thank you thank you um uh via the facts up whatsapp uh subtitled big bills okay hi says isla i was just re-listening to the episode where jane talked about his infatuation, correct term, with birds. And I wanted to share a bird that I think he would find fascinating. They're called shoebill stalks. Yeah, of course. I know all about the shoebill stalks already. Well, you're not helping me. Yeah, obviously you do. And can grow up to 1.5 metres. They have massive beaks and sort of sound like machine guns.

18:18You can hear it in the YouTube video. Yeah, they clack them. Great bird. Anyway, I thought that James might enjoy learning about more big birds, although these ones don't have little red lips. They certainly do not have little red lips. What they do have is a gigantic bill. They're huge. I'm sure Attenborough has done something on these already. But yeah, they sort of make these loud clacking noise with their bills. I mean, let's be clear. It's a big bird. Let's be clear.

18:50Birds are the direct descendants of dinosaurs. Like if you want to see a dinosaur, the anatomy is very – like that's where it went next. They've started putting feathers on T-Rexes and stuff now. Yeah, yeah. When they make the picture. Yeah. Also, something that I learned this week about the T-Rex is that it doesn't have that famous sort of smile that we know and love from Jurassic Park and stuff. they've now decided that they have more like a komodo dragon type mouth where when they close their mouth all their teeth are hidden okay sort of like lips little red lips yeah so good news for you yeah the wanking continues um yeah yeah should get on the dinosaurs now yeah go and check them out honestly i know that i bang on about birds too much apparently um but yeah no the the um shoe bill stalk go and check some videos out on them on the internet yeah on youtube or something they're fascinating yeah absolutely fascinating um oh joe yeah great i've just seen i've just You should read this.

20:08Oh, okay. This is in your wheelhouse. This is from Rowan via the Fact Up form, and it's a pun-believable. Yeah. I think the band Boyzone is a pun on Boyzone. Of course it is. Match of the day is a pun on Catch of the day. Fucking hell. I didn't realize that Girls Aloud was a pun for a while, as in girls are allowed in this club too. And people say, you know, there's no new land left to discover. Well, in the mind there is. Is, is.

20:40I've got a pun believable to share. A few weeks ago, I realised that the name Saul Goodman from the Better Call Saul, from the show Better Call Saul, is supposed to be a pun, so that when you say, it's Saul Goodman, it sounds like you're saying, it's Saul Goodman. To be fair, I've never seen the show, but this dawned on me the other day, and I was completely embarrassed that I didn't realise it sooner. That's blown my mind. Yeah. I'd like confirmation. Is it definitely? The only thing is. I don't know, but it works. But you don't. It's all good. But it's all good man. It's all good man. It's all good man.

21:17It's all good man. It's all good man. It's all good man. It's all good man. But you say good man, don't you? You say good man. It's all good man. Do you know what? I'm a bit worried. It's from breaking bad. I've become like a kind of Senator McCarthy figure with these puns, where I've said they're everywhere. Yeah. And now maybe people are binding them. It's turned into a witch hunt. I'm worried it's actually got a bit out of control because I don't know whether... This is interesting work from Rowan and thank you for the work. I don't know whether it's... I don't absolutely know whether it is one.

21:54I don't know. I mean, can we get in touch with the... I think we just... I mean, we probably have contacts within the world of Breaking Bad and they're a big American show. it's obviously we what's his name we'd have loads of people Gillian or something the bloke that created Breaking Bad Vince Gilligan Vince Gilligan say his name well I say I say we have someone tail him for a while maybe intercepts his phone calls and mail yeah yeah yeah maybe harass his family and wife yeah his wife and kids or whatever yeah don't do anything don't do anything just let them know that they're being watched yeah and just try and get some dirt on the guy yeah Yeah, yeah.

22:34Doesn't have to be pun related or anything. No, maybe just... If there's anything there that might make him a bit, you know, no smoke without fire. Yeah. Maybe anyone who knew him 30 years ago. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Just like anyone who may be in his younger years. And then we'll decide whether it's a pun believable or not. Yeah. I think that's... I mean, if it's not a pun believable, it is now because it does work. Saul Goodman. Saul Goodman. but men is Saul Goodman Saul Goodman it works I think also because they're American so they say good man Saul Goodman Saul Goodman Saul Goodman Rowan that's made us think that's made me think and now I need to sit down I'm already sitting down anyway we've got a right I went a bit mental there no no that was I mean it's a really it's interesting we've got a message here from sam via the fact up form who says did you know the isles of scilly and the netherlands are alleged to have been at war which lasted from 1651 to 1986 without a single person dying yeah i think i did know that isn't there something to do with that there was some sort of conflict um you know back in the 1600s 51 um there was some sort conflict but they just forgot to say oh the war's over there was no actual there was no um yeah official sort of like yeah someone's someone's given up they just i think they just i think the war i think the how have the netherlands not managed to beat the isles of scilly that's embarrassing i mean that's really that's like a nil all draw against san marino well i'm not having a go at netherlands no no well done for not killing anyone but you should have won.

24:30They were very powerful at that point. You should have. Oh, you're not winning that. If you can't beat the Ars of Silly, who can you beat? They had their own East India company, didn't they? The Dutch East India Company. Which I think is a bit out of order that they had to call it the Dutch East India Company when our East India Company came. Which is called the East India Company. And it came after them. Yeah. We sort of mugged them off there, didn't we? Yeah, we did. Made them look like little bitches. And also the Ars of Silly made them look like bitches as well. Everyone is. Yeah. Everyone's laughing at you, Netherlands.

24:59Yeah. You're the fucking laughingstock of Europe. Yeah. Yeah. They're too chilled out to give a fuck anyway. That's probably what happens. Yeah. That's probably what happens. Yeah. Yeah. We're at war with the Isles of Silly. What? Since when? Oh, yeah, no, we need to get around to occupying them at some point. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, we'll do it tomorrow. We'll definitely do it tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah.

25:27Yeah, no, I think that's right. What's the story there? So it's all to do with the English Civil War and the Isles of Scilly were pro-royalists and Netherlands were pro-parliament. Of course they were, yeah. The Netherlands... Oh, no, I thought it would be the other way around. Because didn't we get Charles back from... Wasn't he in the Netherlands? No, but yeah, at that point the war was still on. Again, the Netherlands don't know. They're like, no, we love parliament and they're like, no, send your king here, he'll be fine. Yeah. I don't know about it. Yeah. And then Charles, like eight years later, he's like, what, do you want me to come back now?

26:03All right, fucking let's go for it. Like a Dutch boat arrived in the Isle of Scilly and the silly people were like, oh, we don't like you because you're parliamentarian and like beat up the boat a bit. And so then they declared war. The Dutch declared war on the Isles of Scilly. The whole thing is ridiculous. Yeah. You got the stoned out Dutch people turning up to have a go at some silly people. Yeah. It's ridiculous. They probably went to the Silly Isles as a kind of, they thought it was hilarious. Yeah, they thought it was a laugh, wasn't it? Yeah. It's like sort of stoner humour. Dude, look at this.

26:41There's a place called the Silly Isles. Yeah, and they were like, no way. No way. We should totally go there. It'll be hilarious. It's like where sort of Seth Rogen would go. yeah like i can't believe it's called the silly isles we just went there we were in college we thought it was hilarious at the time i don't know um but yeah it would be so the netherlands like the low countries are like that's the home of protestantism uh and if you if britain was in a period where it was like more catholic you generally flee to the low countries they give you safe haven there um all that kind of north european coastline that was where all the kind of protestants were in hiding all the people who were like translating the bible into english all that kind of stuff they were all there where was it that martin luther yeah exactly exactly the same part of the world yeah he was he was from um is it wittenberg he was uh somewhere in what then would have been kind of one of the german sort of provinces uh they wouldn't be called would they be called german i don't know but um it was under the holy roman empire that's right yeah that's right and um so yeah 1651 the king by that point was dead they chopped his head off but the I guess it might have in fact by that point was it like when did they chop his head off 1649 I think I'll take your word for it and then at that point England would have been in what was going to become or had become the protectorate so Oliver Cromwell is in charge and yes so the Isles of Scilly would have been a last so during the Civil War they were all fighting each other around the country King's forces kind of more in the West generally.

28:23Parliament's forces more in the East, especially like Essex and Lincolnshire. And then the Royalists. So this is effectively like a final Royalist stronghold. It's not even on the mainland anymore. It's off. It's on these islands. It's a bit like how they sometimes find... Is it off of Cornwall or something? Yeah, that's right. Off of Cornwall. It reminds me a bit of how in like the 80s and 90s, they would sometimes still unearth these kind of Japanese soldiers who were still fighting the Second World War. So it's a little bit like that. And I suppose the Netherlands were just like, you know, we've got better things to do.

28:55I'm sure you have. I'm sure you have. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, boy. Yeah. Yeah, boy. Hey, listen, Joe. The tallest people in Europe. The tallest people in Europe. The Dutch. The Dutch. How's that work? It was such a gross. Weird. Don't believe it. I think we're getting shorter as a... I think humans are getting shorter. We are, yeah. Well, no, what's happening, I think, is it's becoming more linked to wealth and stuff. So tall people are rich. People from Eton are all like... Yeah, tall people are rich. Rich people are tall. Rich people are tall. Every Etonian seems to be six foot.

29:34That's because those type of rich people that you're talking about, they don't go outside, do they? Honestly, I think that's why it is. Yeah. I honestly think that is why it is. They all keep it in-house. Yeah. Oh, well.

30:16I've still got it in hardback. You remember when you... Terrible Tudors. Terrible Tudors and Slimy Stuarts. Slimy. The double header. Yeah. In one book. Yeah. In hardback. I'd rather be a Tudor, actually. I don't want to be slimy. And I know Terribles, but, you know, there's... Do you remember when you were a kid? Better to be feared than to be smelt. You'd get these little book catalogues to take home. and you could order some, like the school would give you, they did at my school. It was like, it was, I say it was a catalogue. It was a one page thing folded in half. And you could tick things and you could get a book.

30:57I never got any of that. We couldn't afford books when I was growing up. But one time they did let me get a book, my mum and dad. Right. And it was that book, I picked that Horrible Histories and I read it, man. I read it constantly. It was so good. I absolutely loved it. And I bought my kids, now that I'm big and successful, I bought my kids the box set when they were dead little. That catalog arrives and you go, we'll have everything on there. Yeah, I'll go, give me four of everything. Yeah. But I did. I bought them the box set of Horrible Histories. Those books are great, man. I might. Would it be weird, a 39-year-old reading them?

31:37No. No. I wonder if they do audio books now. I'm not even bothered to check that. Well, they've done a TV program of it. But that's what I was thinking. Horrible Histories. How much were the people behind the books making off the back of the TV show? Is it Terry Deary? I can't remember. I feel like it was different people for each book. Maybe there was a team of them and they all carved up who was going to do what. Because I feel like my doubleheader, Simon Stewart's Terrible Tudors, that at the front, it would say Terrible Tudors by whoever. and then once I read that and I get to the Salome Stewart's page it would say by someone else.

32:16Yeah I think I feel like the illustrations are of a piece whereas the actual content because you need to have some knowledge you couldn't just that you wouldn't be able to you'd need to have somebody who knew a bit about you know the Romans or whatever. Yeah. Is it the revolting Romans? Probably. I think there was a few books on the Romans if a. There was a lot of good stuff with Romans they used to read Swallow's Tongues they were sort of writing it themselves weren't they they probably had a feeling that that one day you know why else would you eat a hamster unless you want it written up who owns the horrible histories brand well if you ever wrote those books and um yeah i think they'll be doing quite well actually they're not still making the tv show i think the tudors should get the money some of the tudors i mean they did it they've got plenty of money yeah they don't need any more they'll be okay yeah um anyway it's time for fact check here we go it's the part of the episode where we read a fact or a question that you'd like us to get to the bottom of then we're going to have a good old think during the break and we'll come back and let you know how true it feels to us and to decide whether it passes our fact check okay so this week's fact check comes from rosie who has sent us this i'd love you to discuss a fact i'm unsure about i heard polar bears are known to scream when defecating which seems fairly reasonable to me but i worry personal experience may be put maybe clouding my objectivity towards empirical evidence having never seen a polar bear at my local red hot goodies i see i'm inclined to believe polar bears are less influenced in their shitting habits by suboptimal culinary choices than myself but please let me know if you think otherwise uh rosie from bristol that's from rosie there were some words in that message that makes me think this ain't the podcast for you well well we're gonna we're gonna have a break we're gonna get a dictionary and try and work out what that message meant and then we're gonna get back with the facts stats

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36:42well welcome back to joe and james fact up yeah welcome back uh we were just fact checking on behalf of rosie who's incredibly eloquent yeah uh who wanted to know how do polar bears do they do polar but how do polar bears how do they scream how do they do it how are they doing it how are they doing they're getting away murder at the same time um do polar bears scream when defecating i've never heard of this before in my life at all whatsoever i can't imagine they do because they're very sort of um they're hunters they're swift they're quiet do you know what i mean they're usually quiet um they're always sneaking up on stuff and they scream is i mean what like sort of like hi i imagined it like when foxes are fucking yeah yeah i keep talking that's that sort of thing you know when they're really getting into it come on come on though tell me tell me though you must hear that a lot yeah i do yeah sounds like a baby it does it sounds like a baby being attacked yeah it's weird noise it's just honestly night summer's nights in dagenham yeah when you gotta have your windows open when i was growing up it was just all that just constant screaming yeah because i actually lived near quite a big field as well um it's since been completely turned into houses and stuff which is a shame uh but my god they scream they're passionate they're like the italians of the yeah of the british countryside that they're painting uh cooking they're they're either They're arguing or fucking.

38:29Do you know what I mean? Yeah. You know. Yeah. Yeah. Play acting. They're having sex or they're smashing vases against the wall. The girl fox is going, who's Maria? Yeah. Hey, you know what I'm like. You know what I was like when you married me. Yeah. That sort of thing. That's right. That's right. Yeah. But I don't even know where to come at this one. I don't know how to unpack this bit of information. I sort of hope it's true, because that's hilarious. But I can't. I don't know why a polar bear would, specifically a polar bear. It feels like the polar bear is slightly poorly designed in that area, if it's a big effort.

39:16Polar bears in general seem pretty well put together. I've never heard of any animal screaming, taking a shit. Yeah. um i mean i i am i know what i mean so rosie's i've i have as i think rosie is saying that she has as well when you've had a spicy food right there have been times where i'm like oh like just like it's just genuine like horrible but no more than that just more like quite quite sort of like it's not fair right more like that like that where you're just like oh and I get the sweats as well let me try and I suppose what she's saying is it's weird to think that a polar bear is eating badly I guess that's what that's maybe the point there is that like polar bears aren't going down and getting a vindaloo and then regretting it the next day they presumably eat seal seal yes exactly seal meat I was talking about the singer the singer yeah they eat seal the singer seal but he doesn't scream does he sing so they should sing when they shit Let me apply some logic.

40:28Now, I've got a dog. I love that guy. I've heard that dogs feel they're most vulnerable when they're taking a shit. They do. My parents' late dog, he always looked very – he didn't like doing it. He looked browbeaten when he was doing it. And he didn't – yeah. They always feel vulnerable when they're taking a shit. What I like to do, and this is weird, and I've never told anyone this before. yeah i might have told claire is that when the dog's taking a shit in the back garden i'll like stand near him and look like i'm on watch just to let him know just to let him feel comfortable just to let him be like hey i'm watching you're fine like i've got you that's i do love that dog too much not as much as but no i like the i like the i think that's actually i'm sure the dog appreciates that because they are they are pack animals and yeah you're kind of um uh very much behaving like i've got your back yeah yeah that's what i like to do for him is that weird i don't think so i think i think you're picking up on some vulnerability and you're trying to um he always looks really shocked when he's shitting as well yeah like his eyes get really wide and his ears all go back and his head turns into a different shape it's really weird that is weird it's really weird and more often not he's got an erection right okay so it's just so it's just all go really if my dog sits you know that way that dogs sit on their hind legs with their legs with their legs like that right he's fine if he leans back a little bit if he's like right if he sometimes he sits on the couch like a human do you know we have a fact about this if you lie on your back you get an erection.

42:18Yeah. Because your blood all goes down. Well, my dog... No, we were supposed to find out whether that was true or not. I don't think for one reason or another, we didn't get round to it. We didn't get round to it. Yeah. But my dog, if he leans back a bit more and pushes his pelvis out, he's just always got his knob out. Constantly. Yeah. Well, dogs shouldn't... I'm hoping it's an age thing. I'm hoping he'll grow out of it. I just think it's a bit like there are things that dogs shouldn't do. They shouldn't play cards. They shouldn't... No. They shouldn't lie on their back. I'm hoping he's like a 12-year-old on the bus now do you know what i mean remember when you were sort of like 12 11 12 13 and for some reason being on a bus oh i do remember that would give you an erection i always just feel like i was awake much earlier than i really wanted to you know like in the mornings yeah i don't why the fuck is that it's just like i i don't know what that is it's not helpful i just sometimes feel that i was at school just before i i was like i don't really i'm here hours before i really want to be anywhere.

43:14So now all the fucking erection stuff's happening. I'm still going through all that. I haven't finished that little routine. If I should be at home at the moment, it's your fault for making me come out of the house so early. Boys on the cusp of puberty just constantly erect. Well, you're basically being shot. Ideally.

43:36Nah.

43:41I mean, you know, adolescence, it's like you're basically taking a child and then you're injecting it for these mad hormones. There you go. What do you think about that? You're going to go fucking crazy for... I'm hoping that's what my dog's going through at the moment. He's about to turn two. So he's sort of like a teenager. I think that's probably right. And I'm hoping, because he's embarrassing. Yeah. You've got people around sometimes. And he's a blue Staffordshire ball cherry. Could you put a little pair of pants on him? Just for now? Oh, he wouldn't like that. No. He wouldn't like that at all.

44:11And I wouldn't do that to the guy. No, no. But because of his, his belly's white. Right. He's got white hair on his chest and belly. So it's like, it's like a great big red stain. Yeah. It's so red and pink. Like you can't miss it. Yeah. Yeah. And I genuinely don't know what to say. Someone's around. I'm like, I better say something. I better make a joke because we can all see it. Do you know that human beings are, our genitals are, they are more out all the time than animals. Most animals, not out, sorry. Speak for yourself. No, what I mean is not out in that sense. If you were naked, many animals, even if they were naked, you wouldn't really be able to see anything.

44:59Unless, and it's like, if they're not erect, it's like there's nothing there at all. Whereas human beings, so there's something about human beings where we are quite... But can't human beings do that? Isn't there like tribes and stuff that can suck their cocks in when they're running? I don't think they can suck it in. I think they cover it up or something. No, they can sort of invert it. They can invert their penises. Oh, this is on bloody Gervais, isn't it? It is, yeah. That's where I've heard it. Of course I have. That's where I've heard all my information. There was something about early humans.

45:24There's something about how they were... sexual display is something that is kind of always there at some level with humans and that makes human beings more kind of, I don't know, social or something, or more kind of... Well, we... Basically, the difference between... We went through that as well. You might think, if you've got a penis, that the difference between it being, you know, small and having an erection is a big difference. but actually compared to an animal it's not a big difference because many animals as like your dog it's like if it's not ready you can't even see it so there's nothing there you see his balls though yes massive balls well I don't know about that I don't know what you can do you need the balls all the time they're out they're always out ready for what though welcome back what Okay I think that perhaps What were we talking about Oh yeah polar bears They don't scream They don't scream When they're having a shit No I know I wonder if maybe But I think you were Halfway towards answering The question there You were talking about Vulnerability Yeah so I think Maybe they're screaming To scare other animals away No I think animals are quiet Well I think I'd like to put that Because I think I think there's some Cannibalism going on Your watch is funny It's like You're like I think there's I'm trying to talk about Polar bear shitting I know but my watch Keeps talking to me You've got the nerve I've just, you know, look as though there's better things to hear than...

47:00What's he saying? You all right? Right. Polar bears. Should I get one of them? Yeah, do it. Yeah, yeah. Polar bears do not scream while they shit. They don't. I'm not having it. I think they do. And I think the reason they're doing it is... Are we going head to head again? I know. Two weeks in a row? Are you just being contrary? Probably. I don't know. So you think they do on purpose to scare people away? I don't know where Rosie's heard this if they don't do it. I've never heard this before in my life. I've never heard of any animals screaming while they're taking shit when she said a wiry personal experience may be clouding my activity I thought that she meant I saw one screaming and I was like where the hell have you been well up in the Svalbard like bloody Lyra out of the Northern Lights can we get to the bottom of this again again we're getting to the bottom is there any more shit than usual on this what's that No more.

47:53There's so much of our content is about bums and shitting. And it feels like there's even more than normal. I don't think we've taken a break from it. I think there was a week where, I don't know. Last week we were talking about whether if you didn't fart, it'd come out of your mouth. Oh, God, yeah. It is. We do. We're at a level. You can either be comfortable in it, Joe, or you can be worried about it. Okay, fine. You choose. Okay, fine. That's fair enough, actually. Podcast shit. It's podcast rubbish. as soon as you come to terms with that do you know what doing this podcast reminds me of there's an episode you've watched Band of Brothers haven't you yeah oh I remember Private Blythe who gets hysterical blindness I think it's in the second I think it's in the third episode or second I do remember this and someone it might not be him someone goes up to him and they go So another soldier goes up to him and goes, listen, he basically admits that he's terrified.

48:58He doesn't want to die. Yeah. I know the bit you're talking about. And the bloke goes, you need to just realise you're already dead. And then you'll be able to function as a soldier. You still think you're going to get out of this alive. And that's stopping you from being able to do what you need to do. You know what? And that's what doing this podcast is. Yeah, that's so true. Just, it's rubbish. Yeah. And if you're comfortable, you can either be comfortable with it or you can be a little scared, scaredy cat. You're right. You're right. And you know what? I'm familiar with the kind of mental adjustment that you're talking about.

49:28And I'm always trying to make it. I truly am. I really am. You said it yourself last week. Worry less. Worry less. I think... I didn't... No, I said I shouldn't be more positive. That's what I've got a bit too... I don't... To be honest, I think you were correct to call bullshit on that. That was not... I don't know what I was talking about there. I'm actually embarrassed I said that. Yeah, don't worry about it. Positive. What's there to be positive about? No, nothing. fucking nothing literally fucking nothing there is nothing good going on if you're feeling positive look have a little look use your eyes this is going to be open and shut do polar bears scream when they shit they make a lot of sounds oh my god they growl they huff they chuff they roar they do something that's similar to crying like a baby joe was right but they don't do any of that while pooping oh right Oh.

50:22So where's this? I thought you were going to say, why did you Simon Cowliss there? I was feeling a little bit cheeky. Oh, guys, I'm really sorry. You're going to have to clear your schedules because you're going to become pop stars. It was that, but the opposite. Yeah, it was, yeah. Mr. G does that as well, doesn't he? It's like, guys, I'm feeling very, very excited about this show. As you know. Because you're not going to be in it. None of you are going to be in it. It was the other lot. It was the other lot. It was the other lot. It was the other group. I was the other group. I'm so sorry. Yay.

50:47Yeah. so do you make sense but not well why the fuck not and why is well sorry rosie it's um yeah rosie good vocabulary i mean yeah you're definitely an intelligent woman you yeah you've been i'm shocked i'm surprised uh anyway listen joe we got to move on yeah um because it is it's time for my fact okay and i i wrote this down straight away as soon as i heard this yeah and i was like i can't wait to tell joe this yeah um on fact up um have you heard of deja vu i have heard of deja of course you have or have i i feel like i've heard it before oh deja vu is when something feels strangely something new feels strangely familiar yes you're like oh i've been here before and that person walked in just as i was having this thought like that sort of thing yeah yeah i get it a lot but Have you heard of the opposite of déjà vu?

51:46Je me vous. Je me vous. I have not. Right, here we go. Je me vous is when something you know very well suddenly feels unfamiliar or wrong. There's an opposite to déjà vu. This is really cool, actually. A great example is with words. Take a completely normal word like door. And if you write or say door over and over and over, after a while you might suddenly think that doesn't look like a word or why is it spelled like that or what is even a door i think we've all done that like some words just end up sounding like sounds they don't sound like words anymore yeah that temporary feeling of unfamiliarity is jamais vu jamais vu jamais vu as in never so never so deja vu already seen so jamais vu the french is for never never seen yeah never i see so yeah so it's basically like so the first one is you haven't actually seen this before but i've had this before yeah and the second one the second one is i know that i've seen this before but it doesn't make sense to me yeah yeah yeah it can also happen with familiar places or people you might briefly look around somewhere you know extremely well and it suddenly feels oddly unfamiliar despite knowing exactly where you are interestingly researchers have experimentally produced how do you say it again jamais vu jamais vu um like have produced they've experimentally produced a jamais vu like effect simply by getting people to write the same familiar word repeatedly until it begins to feel peculiar or loses its meaning i get that with my name right you know when you're on a film set and if I've been on a film set before where there's me and you know you get called all the time don't you and also people are calling you it's like has anyone got eyes on James?

53:45Yeah I'm with James now Yeah and then if there's one other person on the set called James Yeah I'm like everyone needs to stop saying my name too much because now my name doesn't make sense to me anymore and I don't know what it means Have I told you that when I'm sure I've said this before but when we did the second series of The Inbetweeners the third AD was called Jo and they'd sometimes go to her like Jo can you can you bring the boys bags through please to the next room and I'd do it you'd go and grab her I'd do it because I'd only ever really done like school plays so I was like yeah I'll do it yeah of course it's fine I didn't think it was not my job why aren't we bringing our own fucking bags I know I thought it was like oh no there'll be prop bags won't they no they were in prop bags So it was the boys' school bags.

54:34Yeah, we're not allowed to be in charge of stuff, are we? Yeah. But then Joe, the real Joe, would come in and be like, where the fuck are the bags? And I would already have done it. It was just like it was sort of poltergeist or something. But I was worried then because you made us sound like we wouldn't carry our own bags or something like that on set. Oh, no. No, they're prop bags. We never got, even if we didn't want to carry our own bags or if we wanted a bit of star treatment. Yeah. No, it wasn't. That weren't the place. The in-betweeners was not the place to get. No, it was not a place for...

55:02No, as in our rucksacks with our school books in and everything. But yeah, there you go. That's really... I still don't know how to say it. Jarmé Vu. Jarmé Vu. That's how you pronounce it. Jarmé Vu. It's one of those brain phenomena that becomes much easier to recognize once you know it has a name. Well, that's really interesting. And I would be really interested to know if you can produce – so I'd love to know if you could produce déjà vu, these researchers who could produce jamais vu. The idea of – I suppose it's a sort of alienation effect, right? You suddenly – you write something down until it doesn't look like it's familiar to you anymore.

55:51is there a way of making something that doesn't seem

55:58a way of making something that you haven't seen before like you've seen it before? Yeah, a way that you could evoke deja vu, I wonder. Because what the fuck is, I mean, really, what the fuck is deja vu? I mean, it's very, very strange. It's an odd thing, yeah. It's really, really strange. I've had some deja vus where I'm like... Have you ever wanted this after for like 20 seconds or something? I knew that person was going to say that. Yeah. It's incredibly strange. I mean, it really does make you question your whole experience of time. I think it fights with the idea of like the linearity of time.

56:28It's obviously some sort of illusion though, because I never go, I never go. It's never useful, is it? I never go, this bloke's about to say that. Yeah. It's always after the fact, and I go, I knew they were going to do that. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. It's like something's, some synapse that normally arrives before another one. This time, the other ones arrive first. sometimes you get a thing where like you think that you've shut the door and you've locked your keys in your house and you start to panic but then you realize you've actually got your keys and your brain which is fast ish has relaxed you're like it's all right i've got my keys and half a second later the chemical arrives so you go oh god but yeah so the the the whole the hormonal part or the chemical part that is making you panic arrives when the neurological part is already going no no it's all right we've we've got the keys it's almost like one person's got there first and then two seconds later another messenger comes up and goes we haven't got the key we have got the key shut up we've got them no no do you never get that honestly watch out for that everyone if you're interested in if you've got if you've got literally nothing to do like literally nothing where you just want to track your own thoughts and chemicals around your body and just see which one comes first notice put bets on it start gambling gamble on it yeah gamble with yourself you know the house always wins but i wonder whether deja vu is something akin to that somehow where something that normally arrives second now arrives first you've remembered the experience before you've actually had it right well joe i'm already thinking that much oh it's brilliant thank you it's really good really good there we go um before we go i've got some extra chat okay got an extra message here from charlie via the whatsapp their message is called soup salads or sandwiches um charlie says hi joe and james charlie from leeds here i need you guys to fact check this for me and settle a long-standing disagreement that is giving me an existential crisis oh you don't want joe getting involved in that it will all happen is i'll have he'll see you and raise you um i can't give you treatment i can give you company a friend of mine insists that all foods are either soups salads or sandwiches i personally think this is think this is bollocks but after bringing it to a dinner table party it seems everyone outvoted me and people think it's true roast dinner well they would say salad how is it a salad well i can i can already see which way this one's going and i did i did i did give it a little read before we before we came um before we started i i think the salad's doing a lot of heavy lifting i think the salad is basically saying if is it a load of different things right so if it's not a soup or a sandwich then then it must be a salad is basically i think more or less yes i think the salad is basically hoovering up every other imaginable form of dinner.

59:24Yeah, look. It says here, lads, please, hummus is not soup, surely. Well, I think that the

59:34advocates of this position would say hummus is a soup. Right. Charlie, mate, I don't have a definite answer for you, but I'm with you, man. You can't just categorise things into soups, salads or sandwiches. What they're really saying is, is it wet? Is it in layers or is it just something else? Yeah. That's what it is. If it's not a soup or a salad, if it's not a soup or a sandwich, then it must be a salad. Yeah. It's like, guess who? Yeah, it is. You've ruled out soup. You've ruled out sandwich. Well, it must be salad then. I think you need new mates, Charlie. Honestly, mate. Fucking all those people that you went to that dinner party with that outvoted you, get rid.

1:00:21Get rid. Yeah. Because I'm not having it either. I'm not having that. They're telling me, they go, oh, yogurt's a soup. Fuck off. Yeah, I think that they've been a little, I know it's exciting when something new comes along. And I want the world to make sense. Yeah. And we do invest a lot of hope in these ideas. And we say, oh, finally, I've seen the light. and we can become very, very quick to sell up and go and join the movement. This is how religion starts. It is a bit, yeah. And I think that sometimes, unfortunately, life is a bit more complicated than that. God made the soups, salads and sandwiches.

1:01:05Yeah, yeah. God made the three foods. Yeah, ridiculous. Yeah. Right, I'm all fact-out, Joe. Yeah, yeah. So they're a group of fascists. Yeah, I'm fact-out. Don't hang out with them anymore, Charlie. I'm fact out. We hope that you've learned something or at least had a nice time. Doesn't need to have been both. We'll be back next week. It's because I haven't farted. We'll be back next week armed with more facts, chats and pooping tics. Very nice. And don't forget you can get in touch with us if you'd like us to fact check something that feels true to you or whatever nonsense you'd like to tell us about by emailing hello at joandjamespod.com.

1:01:46Or you can send us a WhatsApp at 07822034330. And of course, follow us on our socials at JoeAndJamesPod and head to the podcast description if you've already forgotten those details. We'll be back next week. Sorry. Sorry, but we'll be back next week. Bye. Bye.

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