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0:44These masters evaluate things like how a door closes, the click of a switch, the acoustic feedback of controls. Instead of just instruments, Takumi craftsmen rely on human perception and intuition to create what sounds and feels right. out of all of the tools that lexus uses the most powerful one is understanding what will make us feel something because a car that doesn't make you feel something is a car that stops short of amazing experience amazing at your lexus dealer i believe last week you guys um addressed a message about Ellie Brennan from Radio 2 giving some facts to Vernon on his show that were potentially inspired by our show.

1:30I know Ellie Brennan and I have messaged her to ask if this is true. Right. And she's replied. Right. And she's admitted it. Oh, but we were going to come up with an elaborate scheme. So we don't need to... It's confession. It's confession. Well, it's the dream in a way. She's said... We're not the Inquisition. She said several people send her the podcast as a potential resource for her facts. Jesus. She said she's still working through her initial pool of facts, but when it dries up, she says she can't promise that facts won't be inspired by the show. She said a facts are facts, and if they want to send a doc of all the facts they've discussed so far, her DMs are open, and she says that she listens to the podcast when she's driving so she can't write them down, and then she says, are we in a fact off?

2:21So I just thought I'd give this opportunity now for you to address it with Ellie. Any sort of response on the end? Well, I've folded straight away. I've done that thing where I've been like, yeah, let's fucking get her. And now that we've heard back from her, I'm like, oh no, it's fine. It's absolutely fine. No way about it. I mean, I didn't make up our facts. I get my facts from Simon Whistler off of YouTube. And I suppose I'd add to that What we're in the business of Is telling truth Spreading truth We're truthers Jesus And so And we're educators And there should be no barrier So I say let the facts run free.

3:17Education shouldn't be gatekept. It shouldn't be gatekept. But anyway, no, so what... Your response to Ellie is... The response to Ellie is, look, I have to say, you've got away with it because you've been a cheeky scamp about it, basically. That's what happened. She's done the defence of... I would just say, be careful. Right, different message. No, not in a threatening way. Yeah. nice uh no just so telling you nice radio station you got there shame if something it'd be a shame what happened to it shame if that went off air yeah and no one knew why yeah if it just disappeared one day yeah nobody found it again didn't there used to be radio 2 as well as radio 1 and radio 3 yeah I don't know what happened there radio 3 there's radio 3 yeah there must be there is radio 3 what's on radio 3 no one knows because I know radio 4 I know BBC radio 2 Radio 1, Radio 2.

4:14No Radio 4, 5 live, 6 music. Is that still around? Is it? Yeah. Yeah. What's Radio 3? They have never wanted to make it clear. They don't want to... It's just to kind of... It's like the drawer in your house with all the sellotape in. That's Radio 3. It's like just other stuff. Yeah. Yeah. No, but what am I saying too early? I would just say, BBC Radio 2 is a more serious establishment than this. and oh I see our facts might not be up to scratch no it don't there is something of the

4:53careful what you retweet no one cares about us yeah right this is just like people who listen to this show it's a little piece of shit anyway that's it right they've got nothing Joe and James says something we're down in the we're grubbing around with the little cockroaches in the world yeah the little slugs the little slugs with no personalities Yeah, Swindon lot. Joe and James say something. No one gives a fuck. Something gets broadcast on Vernon Kay's show. People are listening. Yeah, don't be, you know, you don't, you know, yeah. There's levels here and Radio 3, yes. No one, anything we say can go on Radio 3.

5:40I've got to Google Radio 3. Because I don't believe that's in broadcast. I mean, I can tell you. Yeah, what does Radio 3 do? It's classical music. No way. There's no such thing. It is. Classical music. I feel like I'd know that. Yeah, well. Why do they not tell people that they do this? You can't have a whole radio station just for classical music. Come on. Classic FM. Wow. That's a joke. That's just a wind-up. That's a joke.

6:10BBC Radio 3 Honestly I've never seen it on the dab I don't know where I've never seen Radio 3 come up It does seem to me that they are What's the listenership of BBC Radio 3? How many people are listening to BBC Radio 3? I don't have that to hand Do you want me to have a little look? Yeah I'd like to I've got to get to the bottom of this

6:35before we start this podcast. Anyway, while Lily Mays... Well, I've got here, according to Ray Jar, apparently Radio 3 has 2.1 million listeners weekly. A week, yeah. I don't know what that means. They always do weekly. Yeah. Well, it means throughout the week that many people have tuned in. I know, but I want to know. No, no, no. No, come on. I know what he means. is it just one person who throughout the week tunes in 2.1 million times? That's what I'm talking about. That's what I mean. It could be. Also, that's what I mean. Bots, watch out. Yeah, bots. Classical music bots. They love classical music.

7:14Russian bots, that's all that is. I could get into RADAR but I think that'd be incredibly dull. Get into what? RADAR is how it is calculated. Don't just make words up. Yeah. RADAR. It's called radar. Radar. Marconi. Look him up. Look him up. National hero. National hero. Yeah. National hero. Especially after they built all those great big concrete things. Near me as well. Rittle. First radio broadcast from... The birthplace of radio. Pint thereof. Oh, birthplace of radio. Birthplace of radio in a shed in Rittle. Yeah. He turned to be a bit of a fascist in the end, Marconi, but well done on the radio.

7:53With a name like that. To me, it just sounds like macaroni. It just sounds like that's a cryptic crossword waiting to happen. Mar, Maca. Marker. Mark. I can't. There'd be something. No, we've lost it. There's something there. It would have been done. Anyway, radar. What are they saying? Radar. So, radar is calculated. You keep saying it wrong. They basically, radar, they go and knock on people's houses and they say, will you fill in this form for this week or whatever and tell us what you've listened to? And they tick off what they've been listening to at the time of the day. and then that is put into data sets and calculated.

8:31That's not clinical enough. You need numbers. It's hard to make. That's how it's done. I will also say they can now, through things like BBC Sounds and actually things people are clicking to listen on, they can register those as well. That's obviously a bit more of an easy way to calculate how many people are listening. But RageR is a little bit interesting. Well, look, 2.1 weekly is... Well, anyway, look, I'm happy that, you know, the facts are getting out there. Let the facts play out. Let the facts win. Let the truth, in the end, let's just try and get the truth out there. Yeah. And let people, you know, let them be the judge of...

9:23No, let them do with it what they will. I'm just trying to give people the information so they can make informed choices about their lives. That's all we've ever tried to do. That's all we've ever tried to do. I can combine the two and give you a Radio 3 fact. Yeah. If you like. Oh, yeah. Please do. It's the biggest commissioner of original classical music in the world. Right, I'm going to say this again. What does that mean? Yeah, good. People are writing it specifically for... Okay, it turns out... It's reviving the industry. They're making their own music. Making their own music. now. They're out of control.

9:56They're out of control. I've never even heard of this. First they're broadcasting it. That stuff is well out of date. And now they're making new stuff. They're padding the numbers of the listenership. They can write anything on that form. They're padding the content. Because even they're going, like what you said there, no one's got a fucking radio station just for classical music. Even they're going like, fuck we better make some more yeah there's no listeners there's no music and i would argue that's not classical then yeah because it needs to it's modern isn't it yeah it's from the future hasn't been written yet it's futuristic music yeah it'll come in

10:41no but what i mean is it'll be that's what it'll sound like because it'll be like Like, you know, the Mysterons or something. Right. What's the Mysterons from again? Captain Scarlet or something? No, who was he against? No, yeah, the Mysterons are the enemy of Captain Scarlet and his organisation. Yeah. I was talking about something the other day. There's Thunderbirds. Yeah. There's a clear hierarchy here. Jerry Anderson, go. Thunderbirds, good. I love the idea that there's an organisation that's based on speed of response and it's a puppet. It's like, quick. I know. I tell you what, they must be relieved once they get in the rocket.

11:29Finally, press the button. Let's go. The rocket gets to the emergency site quicker than the puppet gets from his bed to the rocket. The main part of the journey is the puppet walking to the rocket. um anyway that's the there's that there's is it called Captain Scarlet I think so Captain Scarlet yeah second best and then the worst one Stingray Stingray Stingray and he's in love with a mermaid or something a mermaid she's called Aquamarina and she's got her own song Marina yeah and her big saying point is that she can't talk that is true what you said though she can't talk I love them I mean, that is not, you have to say.

12:14That's what you want from a woman. Well, yeah. I mean, you have to say it in hindsight. That is not a strong female character. Keeps her mouth shut as well. She keeps her mouth shut. Wish my wife couldn't talk. Get an earful. But you are right. Thunderbirds. And she's half fish. I'm a huge Thunderbirds fan. Love Thunderbirds. Brilliant show. Watched Captain Scarlet a little bit when I was a kid. I watched Joe Knightley more than I watched. Joe Knightley? That's the other one. There are four I watched Joe Knightley more than No, there's about six There is something else called like Action Squad Or something like that There's some bizarre Let me look this up How many TV shows did Jerry Anderson's production company make?

13:02But what was the last one that you said with Aquamarina? Stingray Stingray Yeah, I never watched Stingray To me... I just didn't like that it was underwater all the time. Well, again, it just felt like... It annoyed me. It felt like exactly one-fifth of Thunderbirds, because it's like, you've only got one of the machines. Yeah, and that's the shit one, number four. And the rubbish one as well. It doesn't even have its own. It has to go around and... When you get the Thunderbird... It has to go around inside number two. When you get the number three... When you get the Thunderbird toys, have you seen how tiny four is?

13:30Yeah, it doesn't even have its own doors to open. No. It's just completely die-cast. It's totally solid. And it just slops... Yeah, it goes inside... Yeah, it goes... Yeah, carried around like a little baby inside the womb of number two. Also, number one, number three, they're sort of the same, aren't they? One of them is out of space and one of them's... Well, number one, I think number one can go to space as well, though. Doesn't number one go to number five sometimes? That's just in space. That's just a satellite thing, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, and what I like about Thunderbird 5 is that that is definitely the worst job.

14:10Boring. For the brothers. He's just up there on his own. He's just listening out for stuff. Oh, God. He's just on the wire. He's just on the communications. That is, I mean, you're like, oh, I'm working with all my brothers. Oh, it's brilliant. All five brothers. Imagine the camaraderie. A little squad. Here we go. What am I doing? Yeah, you're up on a satellite on your own, mate. Yeah. We'll be down here. We'll be down here. Just running around. Also, you're up there for ages. Ages. And you're constantly up there. Your bones are going to be fucked by the time you think. You can't exercise. Forget about that.

14:36He was withering away. He'll come down and we'll turn to jelly. A couple of questions about the Thunderbird set up. Here, go on. Where's the mum? What happened to the mum? I don't know. Died, a wealthy woman, left all the money to the Nazi, spent it all. The widower. Oh, is that what it was? She had the money. No, I don't know. I don't know. No, I think, I suspect from Aquamarina that maybe they weren't very good at writing for women. Right. I've got to do a female character. What are we going to do? What are we going to do? I've got it. She doesn't speak. Brilliant. Right. Come on, boys. Come on.

15:07Do you reckon someone went, where's the mum? And they shouldn't. What? The what? The mum? Well, you know, there's the dad. What do you mean? Do you mean the dad? No, the mum. The what? He sends his sons out to all these dangerous missions constantly as well. Yeah. And he just sits there with his white Schofield hair. I can't even really remember what he... He just sat behind the desk. Ah, yeah. And then the pictures would turn into a TV screen. Is there something of the Kennedys? Are they a bit like the Kennedys, do you think? Maybe, yeah. They live up... This clan of... They're always... When they're not on duty, they've always got like a cigarette and a martini or something.

15:41And they're just by the pool on Tracy Island. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Thunderbirds. Thunderbirds. Come in, Thunderbirds. Yeah, they're very much sort of playboy mansion. Me and my youngest son watch it. We watch Thunderbirds quite a lot because you can get the box set and stuff. I love Thunderbirds. It's a great show. But it is really funny because they're puppets. Like car crashes and stuff like that. You can tell one bit it's a model and then it cuts to like a matchbox car and someone's just thrown it across the screen. Those little stunts must have been so fun to do. Imagine you and Charlotte of the Thunderbird stunts.

16:21You're like, go and buy some toys. We're going to blow them up. And I love that it just exploded in America. It's so big in America as well because all the characters are American. They're all voiced by British actors. Oh, is it a British show? Yeah. Oh, I'll tell you what. Yeah, it's just in a warehouse. We used to own that fucking place. I bet it's like the Beatles. Yeah. It's like, you know, Brian Wilson can't get in the top four because they're all Beatles songs. That would teach you. But Americans just thought it worked so well in America because all the characters were American. Yeah. There's a really great documentary on Netflix about Gerry Anderson and the making of Thunderbirds and stuff.

17:06It's really sui generis. There's nothing else like... He calls it Super Mario Nation. Super Mario Nation. Super Mario Nation, which obviously means it's derived from marionette meaning puppet. Whenever I was a kid, it always confused me. I was like, Super Mario? Super Mario Nation. Super Mario Nation. It basically means Super Mario World. Super Mario World? Also, when I was a kid, when the kids' shows finished on, or just before, or just after Simpsons would start on BBC Two, I'd catch the beginning, or I'd catch a bit of Star Trek, The Next Generation. and it was they were always going on about the final frontier right and i uh growing up you know the wham christmas song yes this year to save me from tears i'll give it to someone special yeah i thought the words were this year the final frontier i sang that for years this year the final frontier

18:12It's weird when you're a kid and you make these sort of synapses, these sort of connections. No, it's funny, isn't it? It just kind of all makes, but this is what I mean. As I say, rhyme is like, it's a kind of random meaning. It's a random connection generator. You can throw anything at the brain. You can just go, I don't know, this and this. The brain will go, yes, right. It can connect to anything, the brain. I was a weird child. Chid. Chid. that was a weird yeah little chid kild sorry a kild yeah um no the thing about being a kild is that um you know it is a chid's eye view yeah so you no but it's yeah no i mean yeah thunderbirds i wonder why i was so big in the 90s i've just got this theory that they did and i've said it a load of times especially with kids shows where they didn't start making any new ones until sort of late 90s there was a couple there sure yeah whenever i turned on the telly it was just old yeah it was loony tunes and i remember being sick whenever you were sick and they put and you'd put play days on or something like that and you'd be like jesus this must have been shot fucking decades ago maybe they didn't maybe they um just do you feel that we're now more because people complain about reruns and stuff and how much of the schedule has been taken up been taken up by just repeats of things.

19:36And I want to be like, I feel like it's always been like that. I think it has. You've got a lot to fill, haven't you? Yeah. I mean, I think budgets are probably lower than they were. Not Radio 3, I think all the money in the world. Yeah. I mean. They've stopped repeating. They're making new content. I know. Can I hear that again? No. Nope. You should have listened the first time. Yeah. There's something else on now. It was written five minutes ago. Who's DJing on Radio 3? I don't know if they call them DJs on Radio 3. What do they call it? Let me have a... Presenters? Concert hall jockey. Let me have a look at the schedule.

20:18Because usually they do have some like... Some old person. Yeah. I have to say, the reason those numbers are so high, I'm not going to go at them, is because this country is fucking old. Do you reckon? Everyone in this country is fucking old. You wouldn't believe it. Oh, I would, mate. Yeah. I would. It's an old country. It's an old country. We're all getting older. Don't ask anyone. There was an old woman on my train on the way in today. And she had a massive problem with me sat in front. She was sitting with her legs quite stretched out. and I needed the seat that was in front of her. Yeah. And I sort of gave her the sort of look.

21:08Is it all right if I sit in that seat? I'm just going to have to sit down here. Got nothing from her. Arrogant. Yeah, they are arrogant. Yeah. And then when I did sit down, she still wouldn't move her legs. I had to straddle her. I basically straddled an old woman on the way into work today. I had to sit there with my legs open so that her legs could go. Yeah. And I was a bit, eventually she did move it. Yeah. And I, again, I'm not aggressive. I'm not going to vocalize. I did give a little eyes like, like a sort of. That's nice of you. Thank you. Yeah. But I'm being sarcastic. No, I know. I know.

21:46I mean, it's, it's. But old people. Get booked for that. It's a booking. Old people are entitled. They are entitled. They are entitled. I mean, trains are, the joy of trains is like, there isn't enough room like that so you have a decision about whether to be totally cramped or whether to be a dickhead basically and and i when you walk up and down the train and like everyone's pretending they're like oh it's my bag on that seat yeah i wasn't just waiting till you'd passed me i suppose i've probably done that as well if i'm in a bad mood i don't want to talk to people i sometimes don't but i normally i do normally try i do i'd say one out of ten times if i'm in a shitty mood i'm like you know what i'm actually don't i don't want to sit next to If it was 15, 20 years ago, I would never have complained about an old person wanting to stretch their legs out on a train.

22:32Because old, old people had won wars and shit like that. That's where the respect your elders thing comes through. And I was always brought up to respect my elders. My grandparents were in the war. Yeah. I also knew my great grandparents as well, and they were heavily involved in the war when I was growing up. So I always grew up respecting the elderly. Yeah. giving them a letting them take their time yeah yeah they can do whatever they want to do as far as i'm concerned yeah but today's old people all you did was get born after the war um see the end of rationing and fuck a load of people in the 60s yeah and take a load of drugs and shit bought a house for about a pound yeah exactly and now you now you're sitting on the train going oh no i you You owe me.

23:21Oh, you fuck all, love. Yeah. They have this attitude of like, no, I'm old, so you should respect me. But I want to be like, but what have you done, though? Yeah. You're not the same as the old, old people. The old people when I was growing up, they'd been through some shit. And you go, fucking hell. Yeah. We should send them back to war now. We'll get battalions together. Send all the... Anyone 73 plus right now, we should send to Ukraine or something. Ukraine and they stretch out their legs. And then if they liberate Ukraine. And if Russia tries to come in, they're like. If they liberate Ukraine for freedom and democracy and then they want to stretch their legs on the train, then I'll go, thank you very much.

24:05Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Or if they want to go and work a Ukraine farm or something like that, then I'll go, respect. Yeah. But I was not having it. No. I was not having it off her this morning. Should we do this podcast? Yeah, okay. Do you want to know who presents on Radio 3? Oh, of course we do. Yeah, yeah. So generally speaking, the daily schedule, I can say they're mainly sort of singers, musicians within the field. That's what I mean. But some people that you may have heard of who present on there. Jules Holland. Right. Right, there he is. Edith Bowman. Bowman's on Radio 3? There you go. What's Bowman doing on Radio 3?

24:44Strings, Bowman. Hold on, who's Edith Bowman? What? No. What are you talking about? I know who Jules Holland is. Who's Edith Bowman? I've heard of... You know Edith Bowman. I've heard of the name Edith. I know that's her name. She's like one of the most legendary... Edith Bowman. Legendary broad... Oh, her. Okay. I know her face, ironically, from radio. Not saying she's ugly. But that's what I mean. I'm not. I'm really not. I just... What's coming to... It's funny that I recognise her face and not her voice. What? I shouldn't have... You hadn't heard her voice. Fair. What? She's Scottish, right?

25:16Well, how come... I know who that is. Yeah. Yes, she has got it. What's she doing tucked away on Radio 3 where no one even knows that that's a radio station? Well, she's commissioning music, apparently. You've got people like Bowman disappearing on Radio 3. The world's gone mad. The world has gone mad. Jules Holland, sure, he needs to do something the other 364 days of the year. Yeah Jules Holland He's like Raymond Briggs Santa Claus Isn't he Where it's like What's he doing He's got the whole rest Of the year off So he goes to A Las Vegas hotel That is what Santa does Is there anyone else That we'd know On Radio 3 I'm not going to lie I'm actually getting Some of my source material From Pete Who has recently been Working with Radio 3 Okay And he's not supplied Any more names So Pete's been working With Radio 3 Where the fuck Has this Radio 3 Been all my life Ask Pete.

26:16They're not doing enough marketing either. Never seen a Radio 3 advert. I've always seen Radio 1, Radio 2, 5 Live. Maybe it's more like If You Know, You Know. 6 Music. It's like Fight Club, isn't it? Radio 3. It's a bit like Fight Club. Everyone's down there. Don't talk about it. Don't talk about it. Who's fighting today? Edith Bowman versus Jules Holland. That'd be a good fight. What a fight that would be. I'd pay to watch that. They should have done that at the American 250th. Well, yeah. But they wouldn't know who they were. Could have done that, yeah. I mean, I don't know who Ed Bowman is.

26:49Sign them up for Riyadh's season. Yeah. Do BBC proms over there? You've heard of the proms, haven't you? That's an idea for old people as well. Yeah, I've heard of the proms, but that's on TV. Yeah. Not stuff that we've heard of because it's on TV. But that's what I'm saying. Radio 3. And not stuff where I've heard of it because I've seen the face. That doesn't count either. I should have heard from the voice alone. These should be faceless. If someone's on the radio, you should not know what they look like. Well, you do these days. You always do, don't they? They're splattered all over social media.

27:21That used to be the good thing about going on the radio to plug your TV show or your film or something. You could just turn up. Because you'd have to do the breakfast shows. They're always the big ones. But it would mean you could just fucking roll out of bed. Oh, God. I used to go into a radio station sometimes and they'd be like, oh, we're filming this one. And it would be like, oh, fuck. All right, fine. And they'd be like, don't worry, no one really watches it. It's just for YouTube or something, which at that point was just like not really. MeTube. MeTube, yeah. Yeah, it was MeTube at that point, yeah.

27:53It was, what was it? ChidTube.

27:59The chids are all right. The chids are all right. Okay, well, well done, Bowman. Well done, Jules. Jules. Not long to go now. What was his band? Squeeze. Squeeze, yeah. Jules was in Squeeze. How many Squeeze songs do you know? I think I know one. Didn't they do Up the Junction? I never thought it would happen with me and the girl from Clapham. Is that Squeeze? I'm afraid I don't know.

28:31I'm going to listen to a bit of Squeeze as well. I'm going to see.

28:43Did Squeeze do that up the junction? Yeah, they did. They did, yeah. And is it Clapham Junction? It's about Clapham Junction. I think he mentions Clapham Junction. Or is it? I never thought it would happen with me and the girl from Clapham. Okay, so, yeah. It's a sad song, that. It's a nice rhyme. It's a really sad song. Go on. Well, it's about, like, young love, and the lyrics are that he meets a girl and they live in a shit flat and then he gets a job and then she gets pregnant and then they have to sell the telly because the baby's coming. They have to get rid of the telly so they can afford a baby.

29:22And then it cuts to, and then he has like a sort of key change. It skips a few years and then the song just turns into like, oh yeah I started drinking now they don't talk to me anymore and she's with another bloke who's a soldier and yeah it's really depressing at the end it's really hopeful and like really sweet and romantic at the beginning and then it's like and then it's about a bloke who's just like yeah I fucked it I fucked it all do you know that song Lily May? yep it's a good song they do Call for Cats as well and that's the one I knew oh it's Call for Cats so now that has been an advert and that's why I know what it is Yeah.

29:59Milk, wasn't it? Was it milk? Because it's cool for cats, it's cool for cats. Was it milk or was it whiskers or something? It might have been whiskers. Well, they like both, don't they? Yeah. I mean, do you remember he said, if I didn't drink enough milk, I'd never even get to play for Actrinton Stanley. Who's Actrinton Stanley? Who's that? Exactly. Yeah. A bit harsh. Because they were fucked from that, but that was like everyone's - Akrit and Stanley. Who are they? Exactly. And actually, if you do pay for Akrit and Stanley, you're a fucking professional footballer. Yeah. Getting paid to play football, mate.

30:37That's the hardest. And if you've seen it being a professional footballer, well, honestly, well done. Because every fucking person plays football. And the standards, I think, quite high. I think if you go to most five-a-side football pitches in London, you can go down and you'll see football being played at quite a good level. This is entirely based on the fact that I think I'm quite good and they're all better than me. If you go to America, and it might not be so much these days because the sport has grown a bit in America lately, but if you go to America and you see some people playing on the beach and stuff and you sort of join in, it's like your Pele.

31:15You're like a little step over. Yeah, and they're like, whoa. Where'd you learn to do that? I don't know, man. I'm not saying I invented it. Sign him up. LA Galaxy. As far as you know, I invented it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it did used to be, yeah, if you were George Best, you could go out there and basically just be drunk. Yeah. And still be the best player on the field. I saw an interview with George Best where he said, I had a bet with my mates that I wouldn't touch the ball with my right foot for the whole 90 minutes. And I'm right-footed. So I did it. I only touched the ball with my left foot and I scored three goals.

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34:24Visit Upwork.com right now and post your job for free. That is Upwork.com to connect with top talent ready to help your business grow. That's U-P-W-O-R-K.com, Upwork.com. Right, here we go. We're here, we're doing it. A couple of episodes ago, I asked you to send in your game names or to pitch a format for the ones, the names that I pitched. Yeah, the ones, yeah. Yeah, a la Pilkington. Exactly. And we called it James Games. James Games, brilliant. Yeah. Here's a couple of suggestions for my game, Game of Thrones. Well, Games of Thrones, I think. It was Games of Thrones. Games of Thrones, yeah.

35:07What is the show called? Game of Thrones. Yes, Games of Thrones. Game. Games, yeah, exactly. what's quite good about that is that you checked in with what the other show is called just so that you could not do that I realised I'd made a mistake I really like it Games of Frowns thank you here's one from Alex via Fact Up Spotify Games of Frowns should be pictures of celebrities foreheads and eyebrows frowning and you have to guess the celebrity brilliant That's good. Because also celebrities, I think they feel that they're not able to be serious or worried. And I learned it to be more celebrities who are famous for being worried.

35:53Yeah. And there was, Keanu Reeves had a little line in it for a while. He was always being photographed on like benches. Right. Just sat on his own. I want to say with like a pat lunch or something. Yeah. And just looking. Thunderbirds. Yeah. Lunchbox. He had a Thunderbirds lunchbox and a thermos fast. Yeah. Remember that as well? I used to have a thermos, but I'd just have a lot of squash in it. Why do kids need a thermos flask? They don't drink tea, do they? Yeah, some do. Some like it, some don't. Some kids like it, some don't. But that is perfect because it's got, one, that's a good format, and two, it's got celebrities.

36:34And if you want to have anything made, anything green lit these days, you need to have celebrities in it. Get some celebrities and get them to do anything really, like waterboard them or something. Just anything really. Get some celebrities, torture them. And then a celebrity is told a state secret, see how long they can keep it, under torture. And they're voted off. And also if they're annoying, they're voted off. And then eventually one of them wins. Well, I actually thought we could try this game for socials. It's obviously very visual. So I thought after we've recorded this episode, we could try this out.

37:10Absolutely. Yeah, let's see if the proof is in the pudding. Yep. Got another suggestion for games of frowns from Andrew via the FactUp email. Andrew says, hi, Joe and James. I think he's got two suggestions. Is that right? This is great. So option one, Joe and James give each other facts that make them frown at first. Then they have to come up with a positive twist for each fact, turning that frown into a smile. That's nice. That's nice. A bit weird, that one. Well, I quite like it. It's quite difficult to achieve, but it's... Here's his second suggestion. Okay. Someone gives Joe three facts during the week that are likely to make him frown.

37:52Joe then presents those facts to James, who has to guess which fact made Joe frown the most. I like that as well. I like both of them. They're both quite involved. I think they're weird. I think that's why I like them. I think the Alex one's good. Pictures of celebrities. Yeah, what's good here is we've got two people who in a way encapsulate. If you were teaching a class on what to pitch, you'd say, look, I know you're all young and idealistic. You're all Andrews. You've got these ideas about multi-stage games to do with the nuance of emotion. be less Andrew be more Alex pictures of celebrities that's the one that will get commissioned I think so alright you know where you are with it you do here's a whole new game and this sounds great cat or mole cat or mole this is from Oscar via the YouTube comments yeah my game does involve you bringing on a guest it's called Lee Catamole's cat or mole I quite like that it's not just like we don't have a choice of guest it has to be lee catamole you gotta get you gotta get lee catamole who i haven't thought of for about 15 years it's a good name though who did he play for leeds let me double check that for you now my game does involve you bringing on a guest it's called lee's lee catamole's cat or mole wherein former footballer lee catamole presents you with close-up pictures of fur and you have to guess whether it's the fur of a mole or a cat endless entertainment me and my mates used to play a similar game the fur thing's funny me and my mates used to play a similar game uh called called cock or ball yeah yeah cock or ball yeah um where you just open your flyers yeah open your box a short button a little bit and pop out a little bit of skin yeah and your other mate has to um work out whether it's cock skin or bull skin.

40:03I've played this and it's harder than you'd think. It's well hard, yeah. Oh, it's harder than you'd think. I've actually played that as well, not myself, obviously, but I've guessed. Yeah. And was it harder than you thought it'd be? Yeah. Well. Because I think you can, no. You thought it'd be harder? But you can, if you can, because essentially, it's not catchy by surprise. Yeah, yeah. The bull skin is wrinkled so you've got to stretch, you've got to You've got to be a bit cheeky. It's like putting it on a canvas. Yes, exactly. Yeah, exactly. You pre-stretch it. Yeah, some people are better at displaying than others.

40:39Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it can be. Who did Lee Catamore play for? He played for Middlesbrough, Wigan and Sunderland. Wigan. I was thinking of Wigan. I was thinking of Sunderland. Lee Catamore's Cat or Mar. When did he retire from football? this would be a better suggestion if one of us was Lee Catamol I have to say no we can get Lee Catamol sure we can yeah but we have to get him on every week he hosts it we wouldn't have to do it every week he hosts it he hosts it okay we're not involved he also so he retired I think from English football in 2019 but he also then he then played for a Dutch team okay up until 2020 okay He was playing in the 2020s, Lee Catamol.

41:27So much like Jules Holland. I mean, it's a surprise he hasn't got a fucking show on Radio 3, to be honest. Lee Catamol's probably on Radio 3, for all we know. So he's got nothing to do. He had six years. He's just sat there like Thunderbird 5 man. I'll tell you something now. If fucking Lee Catamol turns up on Kay's fucking... Vernon Kay. What's his name? Vernon Kay. Vernon Kay's radio show next week. Yeah. I will fall out with that Ellie, whatever her name is. Ellie Brennan. Ellie Brennan. Ellie Brennan. It's good that she's been upgraded because in the original correspondence, she was just referred to as a woman.

42:01Oh, God. Yeah. Well, to be fair, I mean, you know, he didn't know. The person didn't know. It's actually fine, isn't it? Okay, it's a description of a suspect, basically. It's all right. I don't know why I remember it was a woman. I didn't get the registration plate. Which is funny because she does the travel. That's weird as well. So she's doing the travel and she's ripping off our show. Yeah. Yeah. Unbelievable. They get away with murder, don't they? They should do whatever they want. Shall I get in touch with Lee? Lee Catamol? Yeah. Are we really doing this? Ask Lee Catamol if he's interested in...

42:41If he's interested in... Presenting a show. Presenting a game show called Lee Catamol's Catamol. I don't think we'll hear back from him. I don't think we're going to hear back from Lee Catamol. Sounds like he's free. Yeah, but he's off doing the retired footballer shit, isn't he? Is he? Fucking hell. Oh, mate, you got to run. Does anyone... Tell him we'll provide the photos of the fur if he's worried about that. He doesn't have to... Yeah, I'll do the work. Yeah, so yeah. Does anyone follow David Bentley on Instagram or TikTok or whatever? He's doing it right. Right. He's doing retired footballer right.

43:21What does he do? Just fuck. Dicks about. He just sticks about. He's really, really funny. And he's not gone into coaching. No. He's not gone into management. He's not gone into punditry. He's just a retired footballer that's going, I'm going to fucking enjoy myself now. Yeah. He's doing what he is doing, retired footballer right, correctly. Yeah. He's brilliant. His social media is great. Honestly, he's so surreal. he's like he's like fucking Julian Barrett or something like that like he is he's bonkers he's absolutely bonkers that is yeah that is good actually he's into good music as well what's he like I know that for a fact he knows a band he's quite a big fan of a band that I quite like called The Bracknell nice and he's well into them yeah gotta follow David Bentley But yeah, no, Lee Catamold, that is almost as bad as us saying Lee Sharp.

44:27Because that felt a bit old when we were... Oh, you mean, is that on the... Is that like the third episode of The Inbetweeners? No, it was like the first episode of The Inbetweeners or something. It's one of the early episodes. And we're around a fruit machine. That's right, and they're putting in a... And they're going, oh, it's gigs, put gigs. Oh, it was Lee Sharp. Do you know who Lee Sharp is? Lee Sharp, no. You know what? I was mentally thinking of Pat Sharp. Pat Sharp. Pat Sharp, yeah. Fun House. I don't know. Pat Sharp must be on Radio 3. Yeah, he's everywhere. He'll be there. What's Pat Sharp doing right now?

45:06Hoping Fun House comes back. That's a bit rude, actually. I'm sure he's doing loads. He's probably, I tell you what, not in a, I mean, no, you know what? Honestly, good luck to Pat Sharp. I hope he's, I hope he's, I love Fun House. Don't you worry about Pat Sharp. Pat Sharp looks after Pat Sharp. Yeah. Pat Sharp's fine. But they'd bite his hands off. Yeah. To bring Funhouse back. Oh, God, yeah. Yeah. You could do an adult version of it. You could do all people our age doing it. It was like a living board game. Yeah. And I once saw it, and the contestants didn't win the big prize at the end because they couldn't come up with three animals that had four legs, which I did think they should have got that.

45:46Because one of the animals they said was bird. and there was a moment where Pat Sharp was going but we know that for a fact because Simon Bird has got two legs yes and that's what they meant as well he's got four eyes well their other answers were specky little cunt alright well yeah absolutely it was good though it was like Pat Sharp was this sort of botanist and he was like okay okay we can't have their wings he said I never thought that sharp saying I'm really sorry their wings could be such a melancholy moment but it was like their wings I'm really sorry their wings and they would have lost out on a PlayStation or something as well that would have been heartbreaking I bet it had a big ribbon on it as well and then I'll tell you what if I'd have got a little cuddle off of the twins then I'd have been alright Yeah.

46:49Yeah. They stirred some confusing feelings. Yeah. They were very much of their time. Did they have pigtails or something? They had a real sort of like saved by the bell kind of like. Yeah. No, I know what you mean. No, there was. Let's just say it wasn't just the house. Go on. That was getting me interested in. I don't know. It wasn't the house that was the fun. Yeah. Right, it's time for fact check Where we'll be reading a fact or a question That you'd like us to get to the bottom of Then we're going to have a good old think During the break And let you know how true it feels to us And to decide whether it passes our fact check Okay Check Okay, so this week's fact chid Our fecht check Okay, so this week's fact check Comes from Dave Who sent us a WhatsApp No, don't So they're not like it is that i was only doing i was only doing you're allowed to do any accents anymore not even irish you can do irish sure but just a little bit i don't want you to do the whole thing in irish accent i think you'll regret it yeah it'd be i all right fine it would feel like too much work okay do you know what i mean i'm just going to do it in my own voice yeah okay so this week's fact check comes from dave who sent us a whatsapp to say hey fellas this is dave and messaging from Beijing in China.

48:14What are you doing over there? We've got to pause because Pete's just flagged this week's fact check you actually did last week. And I didn't know because I wasn't here. No, I don't remember that. No, it's true. Pete gave this one to you as your fact. No way. Can we not just do it again? Can we do it again? I think that'd be a bit mad.

48:34Is that where you saw the fact, Pete? Oh, God, you know what? Also, I read this through before we came on. I noticed this. I just didn't tell anyone. Brilliant. Sorry Right So we've had to Change this week's fact check Because it was actually my It was your fact Fact from last week Which is just a coincidence Yeah We're not But if it helps It was a fact We're not reading your facts That you send in And passing them on As our own No we're not doing that We don't do that here On this show No we don't Because actually Once there's plagiarism Ellie Brennan Yeah Brennan Brennan Yeah Okay, there's a new fact in there.

49:14Okay, we've got a new fact. So actually, this week's fact check comes from Katie. Are you going to do an accent? Well, I'm going to do it as Katie. Okay, go on then. Oh, hello. No, right. Okay, hold on. This is her WhatsApp. She's Sarah Milligan. My fave fact. My fave fact is... I'll just need it on my own voice. Okay. That's what you're doing there. Okay. I'll try and do like a... That's a weird character thing that we do. Yeah. That's it. Hey, man.

49:54Would we... Damn shame. Damn shame. I heard that Squibby bought her to Indonesia. Well, he was... Well, he'd... Squibber went to Kenya and he never came back. We were weird. He got himself in a bit of bother. and well he wasn't able to wriggle out of it I think his brother's over there now tidying everything up but they've managed to keep it up It is funny isn't it, I don't know why it's funny but we do that for hours, me and Joe Enjoy it, yeah The spin-off podcast there Anyway, what's Katie got to say? What did Katie do next? Is that a Libertine song? What Katie did What Katie did. This week's Fat Check comes from Katie.

50:43I prefer my title of that song. What did Katie do next? Yeah. It's like a children's book. Yeah. Go on. What's she saying? Sorry, Joe. So the Fat Check this week comes from Katie, and she has sent us a WhatsApp to say, my fave fact is if you look around the room, it does not matter what you look at, but guaranteed your brain will know what it would feel like on your tongue. if you licked it. Honestly, try it. Incredible. Cheers, Katie. Wow. Okay, so... I'm looking at you, Joe. Well, I've... Sweet like chocolate. How she got inside my head. Oh, mamma mia. That's a spicy meatball. Right, what...

51:30I have got to be honest, I am looking around the room at stuff. Do you want to go to the break? Yeah, let's go to the break. We'll go to the break and then we'll talk about this. Okay.

51:56We'll be right back.

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53:58Right, welcome back to Joe and James Fact Up. We were just fact checking on behalf of Katie who wanted to know if your brain would know what something would feel like on your tongue just from looking at it. Now, during the ad break... It's a very interesting thought. Is it? I'd argue it isn't. But I like your positive attitude. But I'm looking around the room, looking at cameras and lights and stuff, and I cannot imagine what they taste like. I think I can see that there's a kind of... Now I'm worried I've got a neurological thing. If this is a thing that everyone can do, I can promise you now, I can't.

54:38I can imagine it. Here's something for you. I was just about to drink some water. What does that taste like? And that's on my tongue. I don't even know what that tastes like. I couldn't tell you what water tastes like. Do you know what it feels like? Water? Spunk. It feels like spunk. It's very similar, don't you think, Joe? I think you're muddling up with looking at me. Oh, sorry. It would... Well, she says what it would feel like. No, I do sort of... Oh, she's saying what it would feel like. Yeah. No, I can't do that either.

55:15I know what... Actually, I do know what Casey means. I would say that it's a... This is the weirdest episode we've done so far. I would say that it is a necessary part of being an animal on planet Earth that... To be able to pre-empt stuff. You do, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'll tell you what. To intuitively sort of, just sort of, if something's a danger or something like that. Do you want to hear a little mind-blowing quote? Yeah, please. This is from a writer that I have spent some time reading called Ray Kurzweil. He's a futurist. No other way around that. Sure.

55:59And Kurzweil, it might be Kurzweil. No, it's Kurzweil. It will be Kurzweil. And he said... He's a Kurzweil. Well, he's interesting. You know Kurzweil synthesizers? Have you ever seen that? He makes synthesizers, but then he became like, he was basically an early prophet of AI, essentially. Okay. And that's why I spent time reading him. But he said the main reason we have a brain is to be able to predict the future. How's it like that? You built it up a bit, I'll be honest with you, Joe. I think that's pretty mind-blowing. So in a sense, and this speaks to that. It's like what we're doing is we're trying to anticipate what the future is going to be like.

56:35and so if you look at something i think it absolutely makes sense that you would have an opinion not only about what it would feel like if you touched it with your tongue but what it would feel like if you ran into it like whether it's hot or cold your brain is obviously trying to make these judgments all the time because it's trying to say you know should i should i go over there and um engage with that thing in in some way or or should i not will it be nice will it be will it burn me will it uh uh will it will it poison me yeah um so yeah i mean i suppose if i if i look at that chair i can think yeah that would that would have a sort of a bitter taste just in terms of something just feel katie's asking feel okay feel well here's an interesting thing about tongues yeah do you ever used to do a thing and i don't know what the fuck it was made of but when i was at school the blade of a pencil sharpener if you put your tongue on that it had a little fizzy taste.

57:31Do you ever notice that? No. Is it zinc? I don't know, Joe. I didn't lick pencil sharpeners. It was really like a little jolt. I used to do such weird stuff at school. I also used to try and... Why would you put your tongue near a blade? Bored. Bored. I don't want to try to cut my tongue. It was on the... It was like putting your... It was like putting your tongue on the back of a razor blade or something. It wasn't dangerous. I know, but you did... I'd be like, oh, let's not muck about with that at all. Well, I suppose what I'm saying is I'm a bit of a... Maverick. A bit of a renegade. You know those characters you see with a helmet on, on a skateboard?

58:14That's like me. I'm out there... A skateboarder. A skateboarder, yeah. Yeah. But I'm talking about tricks as well. Right. I'm not just going to work. This is my work. Spreading tricks. Lenny May what are pencil sharpened blades made of? Metal? No Maybe steel or something It's not steel We're going to have our answer in a minute Did you ever manage to walk on a dead leg? Well no you sort of topple over like it's you'd have to walk out it felt like a big club you'd have a leg it was like and honestly you could have cut into it it wouldn't have hurt so speaking of pencil sharpeners so did you punch your tongue before you licked the sharpener dead tongue dead tongue gang I don't think you can I would have tried if you had a thought you could I would have tried it so metals like magnesium aluminium solid brass say it again magnesium aluminium brass It's magnesium.

59:27It would have been magnesium. That's got a bit of fizz. Sometimes stainless steel or carbon steel. I don't know what carbon steel is, but I have to say it doesn't matter. Carbon steel. It doesn't matter. Well, it'll have carbon in it, won't it? I reckon so. It doesn't matter to me because I don't think it's what the blade was made out of. Well, it does say that's what blades are made out of. Not in this case. Right. what is Kate you want to know is this true I think

1:00:02I'm willing to say I think it has a lot of it makes a lot of sense to me I think the brain preempts all the time mine doesn't what okay but also sometimes you can get things you can get things wrong you would not have known the first time I put my tongue on that blade that it was going to have that it was going to be such a fantastic experience. Yeah. But I must leave it a review, actually. So you're – We should not encourage anyone to be doing that. Absolutely not. All right. Okay, fine. But also through your own experience, you're saying, oh, it's wrong. I heard a thing on another podcast where – so this is an example of how we do rely on anticipation quite a lot where somebody was in India and the lift doors in the building they were in were closing and they just stood in front of them.

1:00:55Because, you know, if you stand in front of a lift door, it goes and it goes back again. Yeah. And in India, the lifts just don't do that. Yeah. They don't do that in this building sometimes. So all those people are like, what the fuck are you doing? Because she was just like stepping into a road and being like, I think the cars just stop. And I said, well, they don't. No. So anticipation can, you know, mislead you. But I do think that if I look around now, I imagine what things would feel like. But again, that's from experience. That's from experience. But the point of, yeah, so I'm not, yeah, well, that's another question.

1:01:26Is there even such a thing as imagination or is it just experience? I mean, are you ever really, well, I mean, you need to disguise it a little bit better than, you know, don't literally just steal facts from another person's show. but yes probably with all this AI we are realising it doesn't have an imagination but it more or less does because it's just got loads of experience and in a sense all of it it's wall to wall plagiarism everything that an AI does is plagiarism but it's so incredibly complex we can't trace it and that maybe the human brain is and I'm just so so what I'm saying is it's not I'm bored now and I'm making it all AI is doing is really anticipating what word comes next.

1:02:11And obviously that's based on a huge amount of data that it's had beforehand. It's not really just imagining it. It's saying what's the most likely thing to be next. And that's what this is like. So I say it is kind of a fact. I'm going to go with Joe. Joe says it's a fact. I don't even know whether we can look this up because it seems more like, do you feel this? Well, let's ask the Queen. Well, I've done a little bit of looking and I would say there's not a large amount of research on this. So I would take this with a pinch of salt. Okay. Oh, salty. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, but that's taste.

1:02:49I keep saying taste, don't I? Yeah, I was getting confused with taste at the beginning of as well because that makes more sense. Katie, who's written to us from whatever fucking asylum that she's in, wants to know if your tongue, if you can imagine what something would feel like on your tongue. Or prison, could be in prison. There is a creator called AJ on Instagram. Oh, okay. AJ. AJ the creator. AJ the creator, yeah. AJ the creator. Basically, he seems to be, and I don't know where he is. Doesn't he do the big boom thing? The what, sorry? He gives things big booms. Big booms? Yeah, five big booms.

1:03:28Boom, boom, boom. He might do. I'm not aware of if AJ is doing that. I think he's called AJ. I think they're called like dad and AJ or something. Oh, this is not dad and AJ. This is aspire a journey. Right. Okay. And he has put out a video, which is what I'm wondering whether Katie has seen, suggesting that the brain uses mental stimulation and cross modal perception. So basically it does use things like visual cues, texture, shape with past sensory memories. Well, that's some pretty hot shit for Instagram, mate. Yeah. So it is like a prediction based on your past experiences, but also your perception of texture and shape.

1:04:09I think, well... I think it's fact. We've said it's fact. To be honest, it's more just an idea for a hobby, as far as I can tell. I'm happy to just say it's fact just to move on. I'll be honest with you. Okay. I'm more pro this. I don't have a problem with it. And you might find some delicious surprises, like the magnesium blade, the safe bit. I do wonder if it's got any links to... Is it stenaesthesia where people can like taste colours or associate things? When they hear music, they see colours. Yeah. So it might be a thing that some people have that some people don't. But I would say there's not clear enough research on it.

1:04:44Okay. Well, we'll do some more research into it. Anyway, Joe, I think we've touched on a nerve. Because James has written to us via the Fact Up WhatsApp. app. James says, all right, guys, were you aware that YouGov ran a poll on whether you could throw a naan or a baguette further? Is a poll the best way of... Just... because people don't know, do they? I think some stuff does come down to opinion. I think polls are good. But if it's like the 100-meter sprint, they're not like, who thinks they'd... what time do think you could do. Yeah, but you've won. The idea of a poll is to find out what people think.

1:05:32Okay, I just want to see what they think. Okay, fine. To be honest, it's fine. I don't want to have a go at it. I don't know either. Sorry. Have they given us the result? I can give you the results. All right. I just don't know if you wanted to finish reading the message. I reckon, so James says, were you aware that you gov ran a poll on whether you could throw a naan or a baguette further? he also goes on to say I think that means that you guys are part of the cultural zeitgeist love the pod keep it up from James that's really nice it's nice nice being part of the zeitgeist I'd say ironically the word zeitgeist isn't really part of the zeitgeist anymore that's true I don't think people really say that much but before we get the poll results from Queen Lily May I'm saying naan you could frisbee it I think the frisbee goes further than the jam I think the baguette's not as good as you think it is at this, it's great bread good bread I think it honestly depends on how stale it was if I had someone said to me you've got to throw a baguette I'd say not yet no but they're always crusty on the outside anyway I've seen some soft ones though I've seen some soft...

1:06:50Sometimes I actually quite... Soft outside. Well, it's softer. I mean, but what you want is one that's basically been sat around for like five days and is... Then throw it. Then throw it. Do you use shoelaces? Shoelaces. Bloody note. Right, what are they saying? The poll ran it against over 5 ,000 adults in the UK. And the results were 51 % went for the baguette. Wow. 36 % went for the naan bread. I didn't know there was a third option. And 13 % just said, I don't know. Fucking hell. I don't know if I don't know as a fucking... Jesus Christ. What do you think is going to happen? I know. They're not going to come for you.

1:07:36But also, no one knows. Fucking answer. No one knows. It's meant to be just your... No wonder no one votes. Jesus. Well, they wouldn't even get involved in that. I don't know. Oh, I don't know. I don't like to get involved in politics. Jesus Christ. They did break it down into regions, gender, politics, age and social grade if you'd like some breakdowns. Yeah, always. What are you interested in? Region. Region, okay. So here we go. In London, 53 % of people went with Baguette. Was Baguette the overall winner? Yes. That's mental for a start. There's 51%. 51? Only 31 % said naan bread and baguette.

1:08:16Because the Londoners. And 16 % said I don't know in London. So above average. What the fuck? Londoners don't really know anything. And they were the most confident in a baguette as well with 53%. The least confident in a baguette were Scotland and Wales, both at 49%. Okay, so in Scotland and Wales, it's the other way. Yeah, exactly. It's the further you get away from France. Good point. Well, I will too. But you would have thought, like, you know, this is supposed to be the old alliance, Scotland and... You know, Scotland and Wales, they're going, no, not the baguette. Well, no, what I will say is everyone has gone for baguette over naan bread, but...

1:08:55As soon as you get to Ireland. Except for Scotland and Wales. Scotland and Wales have got the least majority. So it's still a majority. Oh, because it's 49 and then you've got a... Oh, because it's not 51-49, is it? It's 51-36 and then these people... I don't know. I don't know. I would just be like... I mean, actually, no. I've wasted everyone's time there. Maybe, to be honest, obviously you don't know. No, that's what I mean. It's the what do you think? Do you know what you think? I don't know. Do you know what you think? I know, that's what you're asking. What do you think? Do you not know what you think?

1:09:26Oh, I don't know. I don't know what I think. That's the answer that people are saying. I don't know what I think. You don't know what you think. Yeah. You must do. You must. That's the only thing you do know. A woman's more likely to think a baguette. She's filthy. 54%. They're always thinking of baguettes. Whereas men were 48. Okay. And then we have age group. Their youngest age demographic, 18 to 24. They've got the highest percentage of baguette answerers, but 61%. Again. Young. And they have the least amount of I don't knows. Okay. So the young, they're all right. They've got a lot of confidence.

1:10:03So at least young people have got a bit about them. Yeah. I don't want to sag off old people again, but 23 % of 65 pluses said I don't know. Jeez. To be fair, they probably don't know. They probably don't know what they're thinking. Anyway, Joe, I'm all fact out. I'm fact out. I am fact out. And we've got to record another episode after this. We hope that you've learned something. I'm crashing now as well. Yeah, me too. We have to do another one? Yeah, no, we've got to do one more. We'll be back next week armed with more facts, chats, moles and cats. and don't forget that you can get in touch with us if you'd like us to fact check something that feels true to you or with whatever nonsense you'd like to tell us our email is hello at joanjamespod.com our whatsapp is 07 822 034 330 or you can follow us on social media at joanjamespod head to the description if you didn't understand any of those words bye guys we'll see you next week bye

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