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0:59expert show every week. Oh my gosh, yeah, you're always trying Chelsea's tips. They've saved me a fortune. Wherever summer takes you, hit follow on your favourite podcasts and search Audio Always on any podcast app to discover your next favourite listen. What are you thinking about right now, Jo? That's going to be... Oh no, that's going to... No, don't ask that. I've still got a little bit of nail varnish on my thumb, which my daughter put on never had to do that I've never had the practice nail varnish on dad or anything like that it's been sort of I've had the opposite where it's like when you have boys you basically create these little lads these little mates of yours so it is literally things like quick like before mum comes before mum turns up yeah let's practice some wrestling moves yeah and I'm not fucking like yeah getting them in headlocks and stuff oh that's good throwing them around the bedroom and all kinds of things when I was young with my cousins one of my favourite things was literally like fights like it was always right on right on the edge of somebody getting hurt yeah actually and frankly in the end somebody would get hurt yeah it wouldn't be me it would be one of my younger brothers so it was fine but there is a kind of euphoria that's the same like because I've got two boys they're similar age yeah a pair of them they turned up quite quickly yeah and it is like like we we'll be like WWF yeah yeah yeah on mine and Claire's bed yeah and then one of them we get hurt I'll be like alright listen when mum comes you've got to tell her that we weren't that we weren't wrestling yeah yeah yeah otherwise we're all going to get in trouble yeah yeah i used to watch wwf i used i had a friend in my village we didn't have it must have been sky i suppose and he didn't have sky either but his granddad would video it and he then my roommate would have the videos and they'd be wwf and i just used to think it was wonderful really i just thought it was so entertaining so it was so like um i couldn't really get i couldn't get into it even when i was a kid because i do and i'm not like even when i was a child i do remember thinking it's interesting that this is a thing that men consume a lot yeah and quite a lot of the focus is on like male bodies yeah they're all oil dust it's so homoerotic yeah I mean it's genuinely by the way I'm not slagging off I'm not one of those guys like it's all fake by the way because I know that's not the point I know that's not the point of it no I appreciate that it's the that it's it's essentially a soap opera yes exactly um and loads of people are into soap operas and and there are loads of reasons why people are into that and loads of people are into reality TV yeah you don't need to go around to them being like oh you know they're not really you know we know that we know yeah like it But so, so I, it's a form of play.

4:25I never like, I never turned my nose up here. The only thing I couldn't understand was, was like any standards they'll be in the Vic or they'll be in the cath or they'll be having a private conversation in the, in someone's living room or something like that. Whereas all this happened in a ring in front of, yeah. Yeah. And they'd be like, I've got an idea. Yeah. Me and you team up and, And don't tell the other guy and we'll be able to win. I'll be like, well, surely he's watching this as well. And also you're on a microphone. So you might be able to hear it backstage or something. At least go off mic.

5:03Yeah. Turn the mic off. Even when I was like a 10-year-old boy, I was like, I'm not buying this. I just don't. Yeah. Yes. I hate that it's called WWE now as well. Yeah. That WWF sign, the one with the blue sort of metallic writing. like I say even though I wasn't into it it does sort of uh it does sort of evoke I always thought it was strange that it had the same initials as the worldwide fund for nature that's the problem so they said you can't keep calling it WWF they said you know the logo with the little panda on it was it when Kung Fu Panda came out because were they like were they like there's no crossover and they were like well there is now because of Kung Fu Panda no oh is that what I don't know.

5:48Anyway. Not necessarily, but I just thought because presumably the wrestlers were like, look, we're not getting into the animals game. You guys presumably aren't going to get into the wrestling game and they were like, fine. But then Kung Fu Panda were like, oh, we are now in the wrestling game because of our fighting panda. I don't think it is. No, no, that does make sense. That does feel like some sort of legal loophole that a lawyer would get paid to make up that kind of shit. Yeah. Yeah, it is. I say fair play to lawyers because you've got to go through loads of school and all that sort of stuff.

6:24And it is just fucking nonsense. Like whenever you see like, I'm not talking about criminal lawyers, by the way, that's genuinely important, isn't it? You do go, well, the only people making money out of this situation is all those lawyers. They're laughing all the way to the bank. Yeah. And it's costing everyone else a load of money just to sort of clear their name or whatever. I think... But I also say fair play to them because, you know, they're smart. I'd do it if I could, but I can't. I think that my issue with trials is that nobody's really trying to work out. None of the professionals are trying to work out what happened.

7:04There's one professional whose job is to say, this person is an angel. And there's another professional whose job is to say, this person is a devil. and then the jury are supposed to come up with a balanced view in between the two and i know this is ridiculous but i feel like i'd rather if both the people were just trying to work out what happened rather than because clearly this is wrong and this is wrong so it's like we're going to tell you two stories both of them are clearly wrong and then you tell us what the true story is based on two basically quite unhelpful wrong stories but well i mean i've got a slightly different point of view of that because because of the woman that i'm married to and uh and i'm i am literally friends with someone that was on death row for 18 years bloody hell um for something that he didn't ever do and so i can understand the importance of having someone going someone going like listen we don't know what happened oh god i'm completely all we know is that this this bloke didn't do it like i don't whatever happened that's up to you but we know but i'm here to tell you this bloke didn't do it yeah and presumably in that case this person the lawyer really believed that the person hadn't done it and therefore them saying this person didn't do it was literally them trying to say the truth this is how bizarre um the especially the u.s um uh procedure is justice whatever you want to call it is that this guy um once there was like overwhelming evidence that he didn't it was like a triple murder like three kids or something like that once they did once it was like oh it's it's looking very like he didn't do it at all whatsoever and throughout those 18 years he was obviously um he actually got like a load of um uh celebrities were really interested in his story like eddie vedder from pearl jam and peter jackson did a whole documentary on um yeah it's called west of memphis i think it's on netflix yeah i think i and it's really really interesting and uh and it's clear that he didn't kill some children yeah he was only guilty of like listening to metallica and wearing a leather jacket that was what he was guilty of basically sometimes you've seen in american trials this is only based on me watching television but you seem to run up against what is an incredibly conservative kind of cultural palette almost.

9:28It was very sort of Bible Belt sort of Deep South mentality. But they really do think that if you listen to... And someone needed to be blamed because it absolutely destroyed this community, this thing could happen. It was very clearly not this guy and his friends that did it. But the really sad thing about it is that the state just went, right, because it was about to come to trial again. because of all this new evidence that had come out that really just exonerated the bloke. Like, it was just clearly not him. And so the state was like, shit. Tell you what, right? And also his execution date was coming up.

10:13So they had him by the balls on that. I can't believe he was genuinely going to execute it. He was on death row. His execution date was coming up. They didn't, because all these things take years, take years and years and years. I've heard that. And so they were like, tell you what, if you say you did it, we'll let you go.

10:34It'd stick in the core a bit, wouldn't it, if you hadn't done it? The state can go, case closed, we did our job. You also can't sue us for wrongful, you know, like all that sort of stuff. Yeah. And you're free to go. But anyone on the outside would be like, well, if you think he did it, then why don't you just go, like, no, we'll go to trial again. Yeah. Yeah. The state were like, tell you what, right, because we're going to get in a lot of trouble for this. Yeah. If you just say you did it, just tell them. So the state are saying to their people, we're going to let a murderer go. That's their story.

11:12Yeah. It's weird that, isn't it? Oh, it's fucked, man. It's absolutely fucked. And also the jinx as well. That's a great documentary. that just showed me that if you live in America and you've got enough money, you can do whatever you want. If you've got enough money, everything is just shopping. Do you know what I mean? It's like, what are you buying? I'm buying, getting off a murder. Yeah, if you're wealthy and powerful enough to get the best lawyers and things like that, you can just get away with murder a few times. Before you then do a documentary and accidentally leave your microphone on while you go to the toilet.

11:48I know. I mean, honestly, yeah. I mean, you can't say they tried to let him off. They really did try. They were like, oh, stop saying it. Oh, God. So, yeah, there's some recommendations for you. Yeah. West of Memphis is a really good documentary. And The Jinx, which I think is on HBO. Yeah. Which will be on Sky Atlantic in our country, I think. Yeah, maybe Now TV as well. Now TV, yeah. Have you seen The Jinx? I have not You'd love it Lily May Would I You'd be well into it Yeah it's ridiculous It's so stupid It's yeah it's I think yeah It is so stupid Okay noted I think Even me just saying that bit then Like I feel like That's just going to get people to go Well I want to watch this now It's not like giving away anything at all Yeah Joe and James Joe and James No Joe and James Joe and James It's fucked up again Joe and James Joe and James Joe and James

12:54Right, podcast time. Welcome to Joe and James Facts Up, where each week, don't drink, don't take a big swig just before you do something that you're supposed to read. Each week we will bring one another a fact that we deem interesting. Our policy is the more interesting, the more true it is. We'll also dig into the weird things that you'd like to think are true, but don't want to research in a segment we're calling Fact Check. What episode is this, by the way? This is episode 19. Interesting. If you want to send us facts or something that you might think, you know, make us confused. Or just anything.

13:32Something that would interest us. Something that would just trigger anything. Yeah. Yeah. We need it. Some themes. Themes for facts. Themes for facts. Themes for facts. Like, you know, can you two boys come up with a fact about this? That'd be great. Our email is hello at joandjamespod.com. Our WhatsApp is 07822034330. And you can follow us on socials at JoeAndJamesPod. And you can watch all our full episodes on YouTube. Just search for JoeAndJamesFactsUp. Now, let's get fact up. How are you doing, JT? I'm all right. Yeah. I mean, I've asked you, this is the third time today, I've asked you that question.

14:10Yeah, I mean, yeah. You know, remember when we did those two podcasts just now? Yeah. Sort of. No, not really, no. We couldn't recall whether we'd said yes or no to the fact check on something that happened that day. No, it was the blowing the smoke up the arse, which turned out to be fact. We were wrong. We were wrong. We said that's not fact. Yeah. It turned out to be completely fact. We can be wrong. Even the greats make mistakes. Nothing wrong with saying I made a mistake. Nothing wrong at all. I think we're all too scared. I'd love a politician to just go, yeah, we fucked up on that one. I know.

14:46Like I would just trust them more. I know. Instead of like spinning it to be like, like, you know, when you get Paxman going, answer the question. I want them to just go, well, I mean, you're asking me a question. I can't, I'll be honest with you, mate, I can't give you the answer. Sometimes they're going, so you can't guarantee that it's going to be okay. But can you give the people that guarantee? Or they just want to guarantee that it's going to be okay. That's really unreasonable. Why are you doing like you're deliberately asked? I think there's a certain type of journalist who thinks that, they think that, like, the apogee of journalism is being the person who's going, I must ask again the same question.

15:24You're like, by the way, no one's impressed by that anymore. It's not, they deliberately get them into situations where they end up asking the same question. And you're like, yeah, I know you think that's, like, the tops. That's, like, top journalism. I think it's on the Knowing Me, Knowing You radio show where Partridge has a politician on about bus fare in Norwich or something. Yeah. and um and he's like well you said that the bus fare wouldn't go up whereas in fact it has gone up and she's like well we you know we're taking into account inflation and so you know so has it gone up yes or no yeah yes or no mayor it is it's a simple question has bus fares gone up and then she goes well yes i suppose it has gone up right well there you go there you go ladies and gentlemen that was me alan partridge making a politician admit to something that they did yeah change it something that they previously said wasn't going to happen.

16:15Yeah, exactly. It's that. It is that. We need to be able to just sort of give each other a break a bit more. I know. And also, if we want better people in politics, don't make being a politician such a fucking hell-on-earth job. We spoke about this years ago, me and you. We both came to the conclusion that anyone that's actually half-decent just doesn't naturally have the ingredients that they need to get into a position because you need to be able to backstab and walk over some dead bodies and things like that. You also need to be able to operate without any sense of shame. Sort of, yeah, psychopathic almost.

16:51Yeah, like any decent person has shame. Yeah. So that's then identified by the press as a weakness and then is used to drive you out. Yeah. Drive who out? All the decent people. Yeah. Well done, press. What we need to do in politics to make it a bit sexier is move out of Downing Street. okay like because you look at the white house and there's a great big fucking building there it's like now it's not down but you're like that's it's the rest is facts today isn't it yeah yeah yeah that's iconic that's iconic and all that like the white house like you look at it is iconic yeah i've never even seen downing street i don't know where it is it's up some little alley you can't look at it you can't you can stand outside the street that it's on i can't get near it they won't let me get near it every day i try and get over those gates it's It's just a terrace house, isn't it?

17:42A terraced house. Yeah, it's a terrace house in London. Also, here's a little fact. It's expensive though. Good location. Just getting back to, oh, it's prime location. Prime location. It's right. You're walking distance between... It's a Prime Minister location. Westminster. Prime Minister location, exactly. You've got... You've got Buzzy Soho seconds away. Yeah. Oh, you've got St. James' Park. You could walk to there every day. Yeah. It is good. Yeah, it is location, location, location. It is, isn't it? I wonder how much it would be cost to buy... Downing Street, 10 Downing Street. I think 10 million pounds.

18:12Do you know there's not a key to 10 Downing Street? I think I'd possibly just know that. Just bringing it back to the fact up. And there's no...

18:24You can't... Go on. Let's talk about the door. Go on. It's probably what you just said, but I think it was something else. There's no key. There's no key to get in. There's always a security guard. There's no door handle or something. Is it that? They have to let you in and out. Yeah. Someone lets you in and out. So even if you lived there, you couldn't just pop out to the co-op or something. No. You can't leave the key under the mat. No. If you're the Prime Minister, you're like, just pop it under there. Yeah. No one's going to know. Just leave it there for like the... I don't know. I think we would do that in this country.

18:54We would do, yeah. I'd respect that. I feel like burglars would get into... Downing Street. ...to down the street and be like, oh, I left the fucking key. Yeah. Someone found it. It was one of those rocks. It looks like a rock, but it's just a bit of plastic. There's a thing under it. It looks loads like a rock. Yeah, it does, right? Yeah. I really didn't think. But no, there's no key. You can't. The Prime Minister doesn't have the keys to his own house. Ain't that a metaphor? There you go. Oh, yeah. Fucking hell, we're stirring up some shit in this. This is all going to get clipped up. Wouldn't like to be the Prime Minister right now.

19:35Yeah. He's just got roasted. Smoked him. He's going to start feeling the heat. He's been roasted. Oh, okay. Right. So you're doing okay though, J. Yeah, I'm all right. Yeah, I'm fine. Why do you never ask me how I'm doing? I don't know. You just ask me. Well, I think we know why. It's because I think people assume that I'm the one who's more likely to be. You're on the edge there, aren't you? Yeah, on the edge. Anyway, you've been sending some real fact up stuff for us. We've got, oh, it's anonymous. this is going to be good. If it's from someone that won't even put their name to something. Yeah, well, I've already scanned this and I can tell that this is, I can see why this is anonymous.

20:19Right. Because some of the weird shit that we get sent to us and they put their name to it. So if you're not even going to give us your name. I also don't know what prompted this either. No, it's just been sent in. Doesn't matter. It's not got to do with the fact. It's shit and poo. Yeah. Just scanning it there. Okay. So this is right in our wheelhouse. What do you want? Do you want to read it, Joe, or shall I read it? I'm happy to read it. All right, you read it. I'll read it. Yeah. Good evening, Joe and James. Good evening. I have a fact about me. This is from anonymous. I have to travel 90 miles to work every other day.

21:00So before I set off in the car, I make sure to have been to the toilet. Brackets. Take a shit. You're right. Thanks. One particular morning, I thought I would be safe to not go. I think he means to have a shit. Not go to work. No, that's what I thought. I was wrong. Very wrong. It took me 30 minutes to figure out I should have gone for a morning poo, but I still thought I could hold it in. 30 more minutes passed, and I'm on the edge of my driving seat, grabbing the steering wheel for dear life thinking how am I going to clean my seats after I've shit all over them and what I'm going to be able to wear for work and what people are going to think of me.

21:45I managed to get through the work gates, yes but as soon as I pull up to the front door at work I open the car door and my arse gives in. I shit the fattest poo. Fattest poo. This is so childish.

22:05it doesn't take a lot oh dear um i shit the fattest poo all in my pants and down my leg i run through work trailing shit along the floor as i go into the shower there's a shower at work that's good well you got to i would say this right if you are um a head of industry or you You own a place of employment or something like that. You're head of industry. I love this head of industry. Workers are coming in just with that shit. Just make sure you've got a shower for your workers. For when your workers shit themselves. I always now drive a spare pair of clothes in the car just in case of another shit show drive.

22:49I can relate to that. I'll be honest with you. um i was uh like for the early for the first few years that i was with claire i'd be constantly like coming back from london yeah on the train just i'd be on the phone so i just going is that this is it this is gonna happen like i need a shit so bad this is the this is when it's gonna happen now i'm gonna shit myself and it got to a point um where claire would pack a little bag for me and put some pants in it for me whenever I'd leave the house to go to London. Yeah. That's love. That's beautiful. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. And I do appreciate that. Thanks, Chloe.

23:30She doesn't listen to this. I know for a fact she doesn't. That's a fact. That's a fact. I don't know what we're supposed to take from that. No, I don't. I mean, it's a fact. I mean, it's a good message. I don't know how it went from thinking she didn't need a shit at all. I don't know what it is about me, but I can go from 0 to 60 really quickly. I can be like, oh, I don't need a shit to I'm going to shit myself any second now. Like really, really quickly. Yeah. My body doesn't give me a heads up. Sometimes it does, to be fair. Sometimes I can feel my body and I'm like, I've got 45 minutes. because because sometimes well because sometimes I get quite bored on the toilet sometimes I go like I need a shit and I go to the toilet and I'm there for fucking ages yeah and I've sort of learned that when that feeling kicks in it's like oh I need a shit and then I sort of go well it's like labour I just mean how they say like don't come in straight away as soon as you're having contractions like wait until it's like okay they're this so you'll get to the toilet 45 minutes early that's what i've been doing for a long time in my life so now i've sort of learned no i don't need to go in just yet i can um you know hold off have a sit in the bath or whatever sure listen to some classical music yeah just sort of yeah yeah center yeah yeah maybe lean up against a wall for a little bit and just breathe um and i know but then sometimes my body's like oh sorry mate we fucking we dropped the ball on this one you're gonna have to go right this second yeah and i'll be at a function or something like that i mean i do carry wet wipes with me wherever i wherever i go at a function pretty much yeah no but what's the function I don't know some sort of charity ball or something some sort of gala some sort of gala the Met ball I'd love that here he comes what are those oh just his wet wipes that's fine but I do the only times that I've shit myself in recent history is because I thought it was a fart okay and I don't want to sort of quote the in-betweeners but I thought it was a fart sir I thought it was safe I thought it was safe yeah that's the only times I've shit myself like like it's I've never done like a turd I've I like yeah okay yeah alright I've never laid a brick like in my pants or something like that well it's always been it's always are you still going for the New Year's Honours or you just I've had I've had this conversation with Claire I've been like we've been together for like you know 15, 16 years now I've maybe shit myself four times while we've been together so she feels she's a lucky lady and I'm always like why do you hold this sort of like holier than thou moral ground over me because I've shit myself a couple of times while we've been together yeah no is she's a real like that's once every like couple of years every three years or so she's been far too pious isn't she yeah yeah and she she's like well I haven't shit myself once well it's great for you up in that fucking tower yeah yeah exactly why don't you come down here with us normal folk that shit ourselves every once exactly exactly oh there's a donut there's a donut box what's that I've spoke about this is out on the internet I've spoke about this on on other podcasts as well I did.

27:35I had to take a shit in a donut box once. That's it. You can look that up. So just type in Google James Buckley donut box and everything you need to know will be there. Right. Joe. Okay. Right. I've got a fact for you. It is Valentine's. What's the date? So today is the 10th. Right. Valentine's is the 14th. So it's this week coming up. so my fact for you joe valentine's day was linked to a pagan sex festival and the church panic rebranded it um before valentine's day was about love it was closely tied to an ancient roman festival called lupercalia a fertility celebration held in mid-february young men ran naked through Rome.

28:29Keep talking. The early Christian church hated it, obviously. Yes. So they sort of hijacked it. Yeah, and they made it more... They did what they did best. They rebranded it. Yeah. But I like that it was a pagan ritual. Is pagan just code for anything... Pre-Christian. Pre-Judo... Judeo-Christian. Yeah. Yeah. and I think more normally just pre-Christian. I think it's, yeah. What's the... There is a... What I suppose would be classed as pagan. It's still practising. Astro... Toroastrianism. Toroastrianism. It's the longest still practising religion. Yeah, it is. Is that right, Lily May? Queen Lily May?

29:25Oldest practising religion. Here we go, because we have Hinduism that comes into it. Hinduism's very old. And then you've got Buddhism that came after that. Yeah. There was an offshoot of Hinduism. Let's have a look at this for you. Could just look up Zoroastrianism. Yes, that's what I'm doing. I was just trying to find a good spelling for it. Oh, okay. Apparently, it is still practice today, but it's small and shrinking with a population under 100 ,000. Small and shrinking? That's me. That's a shame. That's me, Vovie. on the Zoroastrianism of men. Basically, Valentine's was hijacked by a Christian.

30:08It was a Christian attempt to sort of put a nice hat on what was basically a big old fucking Audrey in Rome. It does seem that way, doesn't it? They did have it off a lot in Rome, didn't they? They were very liberal. They were super liberal. And it didn't matter. You could, like, you know. Well, they were certainly liberal in. Just everyone getting involved, men, women, didn't matter. All that sort of stuff. Yeah. I get predilogy with what your sort of status was within the. How come we're so sort of repressed and stuff? Like, because it is weird. Like, I think, was it like the 60s? Like, it was up until the 60s where it was illegal to be gay or something?

30:48Yeah. Mental. Whereas, like, you go back a few thousand years, you had, like, fucking the emperor and stuff just. Yeah, I think homosexuality had an ambiguous relationship to polite society where it wasn't quite cut and dried. It was almost as though there was a dialing up of intolerance towards it at the end of the Victorian era. Yeah. Ironically, what, you know, like up until sort of recently, what was considered natural, the Romans were like, yeah, this is all really natural. Yeah. I can't quite. I simply don't. We're into what we're in. Fucking. I simply don't understand the idea of. We're enjoying ourselves.

31:39Yeah. The idea that you make a physical act between consenting adults. Illegal seems completely bonkers. I don't even know what that, I don't, what the fuck are you talking about? It's like trying to make a sneeze illegal or something. genuinely, what, what are you on? Like, what are you on? It's ridiculous. I mean, it's, I don't, yeah, I genuinely, I don't understand it. So that's my fact for you. Well done. Well, I didn't, yeah, just a big old sex festival. It is time for fact check. We'll be reading a fact or question that you'd like to ask. us to get to the bottom of then we're going to have a good old think during the break there and we'll just we'll come back and let you know if it feels true to us yeah this week's fact checked comes from tia who's asked us is it true that 50 of people have an inner voice and monologue and the other have no inner voice and that's just silent oh no this is freaks me out let's go for a little break and then and then we'll get oh god then we'll get into the get to the bottom of this See you in a sec.

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34:38Joe and James, Fact Up! right welcome back to joe and james fact up just before the break there we were fact checking on behalf of tia who's asked us is it true that 50 of people have an inner voice and monologue and the other have no inner voice and it's just silent right this is like i do i talk i have sentences in my brain it's not conceptual i have conversations in my brain i'm like i talk through the sentences in real time. It happened to me on stage where I forgot my line and I didn't even forget my line. Like you can forgive like someone not coming in with their line off the back of someone else's line.

35:20Yeah. I was halfway through a monologue that I'd been doing for ages and ages and ages and then I was just like stopped talking and was just like, oh no, oh no, I've forgotten the rest of all this stuff. Like I'd already like got into it. And your monologue is, is something like James comes onto the stage and begins to do the play as he did last night. No, I mean an actual monologue. It was like a whole set. It wasn't me interacting with someone. It was like three or four pages of me just talking, driving the scene. Oh, I see. Sorry. Sorry, I understand. Yeah. I wasn't just coming back to someone's line.

36:01Oh, I see. And you just forgot your line. No, but I'd started my line. I was like three minutes into it. And it just dried up. And then I was just like, oh, no. Yeah. It's gone. Yeah. And then I was like, well, I've been doing this for ages now. I know what I'm trying to say. Yeah. Just fucking riff it a little bit. Yeah. You know, you're fine. Yeah. You know what you're trying to do. And I was like, right. So what am I trying to do? And I was like, I can't remember. And then I was like, well, you've got to say something now. Just say anything. Yeah. Just say some words. And I looked into my brain.

36:33Yes. And it was just black. It was just a dark emptiness. And I couldn't think of any words at all whatsoever. And I was like, oh, shit. And then someone else in the cast who was really great prompted me a bit and helped me on my way there. And we came off stage and I was like, oh, that was a disaster, wasn't it? And they were like, oh, it wasn't that bad. I was like, what? I was like, I felt like I was on stage for about an hour, just not. saying anything they're like i think it was about six seconds that is extraordinary but in but i was just like i just wanted to disappear i just wanted the ground to swallow me up and to just disappear but in in all the time that i was saying to you what i was just saying there yeah come on you know what you're saying just think of something think of some words i was saying all those sentences in my head yeah i was having this conversation in real time in my head and that's why it felt like it was taking forever for me to sort of yeah it's hard to know how long things take when we have those imagined dialogues i'm constantly in my head you know when you suddenly sometimes i can i can if it's a song i know really well i can kind of go and i can get to the end of it like sometimes i'm humming a song in my head but my brain tries to skip ahead like no hang on we're not no we haven't reached a chorus yet don't start doing the chorus already in my head i think you can um but it can be hard to know how long i'll eat something and my brain will go oh that tastes nice will it yeah i won't just have a feeling i won't just have a sort of feeling that you can't put words to all of my feelings are are a conversation with my head so i definitely have an inner monologue i do have a voice in my head what i have in my head is a rule book and i add a new rule to it every time i hear a rule anything any rule i hear i'm like put that in and eventually i try and make it so all the rules can be combined together you can get to one kind of grand theory i remember years ago you describing your brain to me as a computer um that sometimes you need to format yeah that's right you have to go in and kind of they'll be like i'll be like i need to debug a line of code and i'll go and be like oh it's that okay so that yeah that should be outside the brackets but actually it's in the brackets and then sometimes when you need to get to a thought you go to um this pc c drive um program files yeah like that's how i get to a thought so a memory or something sometimes yeah yeah are you telling me that no i think it is i am and i get very upset if two rules seem to contradict each other right oh that's it yeah it's like well you're gonna have to reform restore to factory settings, start again.

39:44You have to kind of... Restore from iCloud backup from a few days ago. Yeah, or it's more like you just have to kind of...

39:56sort of step back, basically. Right. And try and... I don't know. That's fine. Just leave with that. Just finish with that. I don't know. No, I'm just trying to think. I'm trying to think what it is. So I know what people mean by an inner monologue, but mine isn't exactly an inner monologue. It's more like a kind of constant process of checking for errors. Right. To see whether the different templates I've got of the world can actually be laid on top of each other. Or whether they conflict. Or whether they conflict. Right. Or whether they contradict each other. and well I think we've I think just between me and Joe talking right now is that we've we both have in the monologues oh we do because you said you didn't I feel like you're in the monologue it's an inner something I mean I don't I don't know what it's is your mind like peep show that's that's in the monologue oh I see I'm peep show yeah mine isn't you haven't got in the monologue then so there we go we've got 50 % of us so it's true just say right now between me and you.

41:10It really isn't peep show. When it's peep show, that's when something's going wrong. I'm basically trying to keep it quiet. I don't want to stop talking. My head does go, I'll be sitting there in silence and my head does go, oh no, that's no good. Yeah. Heckling yourself. Yeah, constantly. My brain hates me. That's why I was saying I can't be alone with my mind. I've got to have something on the TV to fall asleep to. All my brain does is like, oh, you're an idiot. You're a fucking idiot, mate. Do you remember when you did that 15 years ago? Because I remember. And I go, well, thanks, brain. Cheers for that.

41:57I don't think our brains are very good at the kind of mid-over-the-road life stuff. I think they're quite good at zero stress or they're quite good at panic. Yeah. Like one thing, something that's been said about me, this isn't a joke, is that I'm good in a crisis. Yeah. Like when it's actually just terrible. I'm the same. I'm the same. I'm like, oh, that's fine then. When the shit hits the fan, I turn into like some kind of fucking military operation where I'm like, right, this is what's happening. These are our options now. We can do this, this or this. This one might cause a problem further down the road, but it will get us through this bit and we can worry about that bit.

42:34that that's like i'm really good at rationalizing that sort of stuff however if um the delivery driver's forgotten to bring my chips with my food i'm like well that's it the fucking well that's it yeah it's all over but i think i don't know how i'm ever going to be able to get over this but i also think one of the nice things about crisis is a very very good sorter of things into stuff that doesn't matter and stuff that does matter yeah and for me one of the huge frustrations of life is not being able to work out whether i should try and deal with something or whether i should accept it and there's that famous the i believe it's called the serenity prayer which is like serenity to accept the things i can't change the courage i can and the wisdom to know the difference and that's always the thing where it's like that's the well that's that's the big i don't quite know why it's the a prayer but because i mean i don't know why specifically That's the thing about the AA or any kind of...

43:31The AA. Yeah, it's like, should I leave that front tire? They're always so drunk. I know. They're always so drunk when they turn up. You've got to call the right one. Yeah. That's really the problem because they're like, we really can't help you with that. That's very... And you're like, yeah, but I think it started here. And they're like, yeah, no, but do you need... I think for a lot of people... Have you checked the oil? I think for a lot of people that it could be counterintuitive too, because when you, when you join the AA, it's got join the AA. You sign up for the AA, you get your little yellow card.

44:05Yeah. Yeah. No, but like from what I know about it is, is giving yourself over to a higher being or whatever. Right. Yes. It's basically like, we're not telling you what religion is, but you got to get into religion boy. I think that's exactly right. I mean, you have to get into... It's interesting to me how big a part religion plays in sport because I think it's a way of dealing with situations where you think, this can't be on me. If we win this or not, that can't be on me. That's a nightmare. I need to make it that it's on someone else. I think there's more into just understanding that you're in control of such a tiny percentage of this whole universe.

44:57Yeah. The rest of it is out of your control. Yeah. You cannot control other people. In your head, you could be doing everything correctly, living a good life, not being mean or unkind or stealing or anything like that. and still bad things can happen to you because a lot of it's out of your control and you need and that's what you need to be able to i think that's maybe what aa and things like that are trying to tap into is the fact that you're out of control of something yeah um but i would argue you are in control of it the the one thing you are in control of is just yourself yeah so you just go well today i won't do that i'm gonna try really hard not to do that yeah um i know it's easier said than done but i would i would think that there's more uh self-worth especially if you're if you're an addict to anything yeah um there's more self-worth in being in getting through a day without not without doing that thing that's bad for you that you're addicted to instead of like thanking something else or or giving yourself over to something else to be able to go i did that i got through today yeah i'm gonna try again tomorrow yeah and you will get pride and all that stuff back that you maybe have lost from from doing whatever it is that you're doing i think it's a bit of a cop-out to make that make people i don't yeah i i'm not i'm not absolutely convinced by the idea that you you say oh well like just just because you have relinquished control over a load of stuff it doesn't follow that something or somebody else must therefore or be in control of that stuff.

46:40I mean, I think that I always, I kind of think that what you need to do is you need to, I always think it's a bit like the Russian army when they were retreating, where they'd just be like, oh, fuck it, we don't need it. Just like, and just keep retreating. So you're like, if something is like, if something's causing you a problem, you've just got to be like, I just need to live without the certainty that that's going to be okay then. And you just need to, I think it's, you just, and then if there's - Just retreat, scorch the earth as you go. It doesn't, yeah, I mean, because I think it's, yeah, but I think to me it is that sense of like I heard I had a buddhist person talk about it as abandon abandonment the other day and it's like it is that so there's something you think might not go might go right might not go wrong you just you just go well I just have to leave that then that just that just has to be something upon which my self-worth is not predicated and you can basically keep you can basically keep doing that until there's a moment where you're like well I have to do that and then when you're acting it's like well and in a sense consequences be damned like they're yeah and I will I will not attempt to have any control over the consequences I can't control you do you do you do you do have control over a tiny bit tiny bit you kind of have control over what you do and and over and when you do take control of that I think I feel like it's like you should give yourself some credit I agree with that and I as I say i don't i'm not i'm not a huge fan of the sense that there's somebody else i really don't like it when sports people say god did this oh fuck off like it's just you're an idiot like don't have this as a convenient ideology because it allows you to relinquish your sense of responsibility.

48:29If you don't, like, it's better to say, I can't control it. It doesn't therefore follow that someone else is controlling it. Well, it's like when, you know, the Oscars and stuff, and they always thank God. And I just sort of think, like, I'm not super into God or anything. God doesn't give a shit who wins the Oscar. So from what I do know about God, I feel like he's probably busy. is not going to make sure you get your Oscar. It's incredibly arrogant to think that God has interceded in your personal life story. It's unbelievable. God's a pal of mine. He sorted out the Oscars for me. It's ridiculous.

49:08Yeah, it's like the ultimate name drop, isn't it? It's just like, come on. It's the ultimate humblebrag, actually. I think that's what it is. It appears to say, I'm just a small person. But then in the same breath, you're going, and just so you know, the most important person of all is deeply interested in my story. Yeah, it is a bit, isn't it? Anyway, so Tia wants... Is it true? 50 % of people have an inner voice and a monologue. Based on us. And the other is more conceptual and just a feeling or whatever. I'm going to go, yeah. I'm going to go, yeah. I'm going to go, that's true. Yep. That's fact.

49:43You're saying that's fact? Great. I have done a little bit of research and psychology today. That's where I've looked today for this. Queen's consent. Here we go. about 30 to 50 percent of people regularly think to themselves with internal monologues so i would say that is true it's not exactly true it's not exactly 50 but it's roughly about there yeah and it's not if you haven't got one it's not just silent it's more like that there's a big sensor going beep beep beep and then i have to go and be like answer that what is it so they said that and they said that all right well maybe they both sort of meant the same thing but in like in a way and I'll come up with something is that all right and then I don't have an inner monologue I definitely have an inner child I have an inner child that needs to know that everything's okay I have a friend who see like sees images in their brain so that's how they think it's all through images yeah but they don't have an internal monologue it's so fascinating that was I listened to that straight away Tia that you wrote to us and I did think that was fact so I do think that that classes is so fact it hurts so you think it Warrants a jingle.

50:51And we've got a new So Fact It Hurts jingle. From Simply Stimpy, I believe, who we're crediting for this. And this is a So Fact It Hurts new jingle. So Fact It Hurts.

51:08Wow. No, that was good. That was quite sort of new metal. Yes, screamo. Yeah. Quite like that. Quite... Who's that from? Simply Stimpy? Simply Stimpy. I don't know what they want from me. I liked it. I got the references. I got the vote. I got the screaming and the... It feels very similar to the last one. I guess it was sort of a build on that. Yeah, and that... It was a very new metal sound. It was a very new metal palette. Sort of corn. Quite corn, yeah. I appreciated it. All right. Well, thanks for that. And it took me by, startled me. My God. Unnecessary. Woke me up.

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52:36That's A-E-R-I-E dot com. I'm Claire Buckley. and if your idea of relaxing is listening to seriously unsettling stories before bed, then you are going to love my podcast, Pretty Scary. From terrifying true crime, haunting ghost tales, creepy alien encounters and anything weird, it's the stories that leave you staring at the ceiling afterwards, questioning absolutely everything. Lock your doors, get comfy and prepare to dive into the darkness. Just search for Pretty Scary with Claire Buckley. Joe and James Factor Joe have you got a little fact for me yeah I have what are we talking about Valentine's Day right I've actually got two which one am I gonna do both so the first one is that St.

53:32Valentine himself was I think there's some more than one Valentine but a Christian who an early Christian in the Roman Empire who continued to minister to I think maybe to maybe to soldiers I think and was martyred for you know being a Christian basically and the Romans I mean it's weird because the dates seem to be I thought I don't know listen I'm a historian Wendy Constantine come along? When did the Roman Empire become Christian? About 300. Okay, so I think it was probably just before, in the century before that. Right. This guy's going around, so Christianity exists. It was sort of when the shit hit the fan a little bit.

54:28I think it was a bit, yeah. It was when the Roman Empire was sort of starting to collapse a bit. In fact, I said 300 there as if I knew what I was talking about. I looked and the dates are around 300, yeah. I believe this Saint Valentine was in the preceding century and was martyred, so he should be executed. But before he was, he wrote, he went to jail and he fell in love with the jailer's daughter, it said. I mean, it does sound like that was the only woman who was there. No, it sounds like a good porno. Carry on. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Where's all that gone from porn these days, by the way?

55:14Historical porn. No, but just a little bit of the jailer's daughter, the farmer's daughter, that sort of thing. Oh, I see. Do you know what I mean? The lonely housewife or something. It is all just like, how many men can I fucking in 30 minutes? Are you saying that there's like... I want a bit more finesse. There's a lack of narrative in there. Storyline. You're saying there's not enough narrative. Yeah, okay. Well, I think there's... It's all just challenges now. Yeah. Porn's turned into like, can we do it while driving a bus or something? Okay. I mean, that does sound quite narrative. It sounds like, oh, it's the bus driver's...

55:51Can we have it off while cooking a Sunday roast or something? It's all like a sort of little challenge. Where's the pool boy? Where's the, you know, the Canadian guy? Yeah. No, I am... The frustrated, lonely teacher. you're talking about backstory in a way yeah I need a bit of that they don't really bother to build I need some plot it should be like the first hour of the deer hunting where it's just about the sort of Russian American community and there's no sex yet yeah and they're all sort of playing Russian roulette and they're saying why are we doing this let's all just get off of each other yeah exactly it would mean a lot more and yeah okay sorry Joe No, basically, this isn't even a good fact.

56:37Basically, he used to, he wrote, well, she was apparently blind and he cured her blindness or something. Right. And then he wrote her a letter, but he was like, I'm going to write you a letter. She was like, I'm blind. He was like, oh, sorry. Okay. Good. Did he say sorry? No, but basically he had to write her a letter. I'll write you a letter. I'm blind. So it occurred to me that he cured her a letter. No, it occurred to me that basically maybe he needed to cure the blindness so he could write her the letter. This was before the talk boy was invented. Yeah. so he couldn't just record her a message braille as well I mean that's available or was it?

57:08Don't know and he signed the letter your valentine as in your joe so that was the first valentine and then after it was like I'm your valentine as in like what would you say like it was a love letter I'm your dr watson do you know what I mean like it's like I'm playing the role that he played Dr. Watson as I'm your Sherlock Holmes and I'm your Watson who was the other doctor where he was like kiss me you fool or something they were trying to find the Nile or something like that oh kiss me hardy no that's Nelson was it? yeah Nelson was when he was going to die and he said kiss me hardy yeah I don't think he actually said it though did he?

57:51and also that's in the Rishi Rasha as well oh is it? is it really? it's as though he's saying like kiss my I believe they say kiss my pardon right kiss me hardy Kiss me harder. Kiss me harder. That'd be a nice one. Oh, no, that was it. Dr. Livingston, I presume. Dr. Livingston, I presume. That was what I was getting confused with. Oh, I see. Yes. Which was a misconception. It wasn't actually said. Was it the bloke who was trying to find where the Nile started? Yeah, I think like... Which I think we still haven't been able to really pinpoint. I might be wrong. Were you saying that this is a bit of a field trip for us?

58:30No, but again, I assume Victorian, Edwardian, Victorian. Probably Victorian, yeah. They were mental. Just trying to find the source of the Nile. Yeah. And yeah. They really jumped the gun, a lot of the Victorians, because they were trying to do all this shit. They were already trying to find the fourth dimension. They didn't have the technology. They didn't have the technology. Captain Scott and all that lot. just wait a couple of decades and we'll have you know warmer sleeping bags and everything I know well we should do one about Scott because then that's you know when the men are supposed to think about the Roman you were reading that book weren't you when we were doing the in-betweeners yeah I'm a bit I'm a bit obsessed with Scott the other diary one of the blokes wrote a diary one of the blokes wrote a diary I mean I was reading Ranulf Fiennes' autobiography of Scott which is he's fascinating yeah I mean it tries to because Scott was a bit of a laughing stock and it was like he was an idiot and he didn't he did it all He got like two fingers left or something, Ronald Fiennes.

59:28And he's just like, yeah, fucking lost those, Frostbite. Yeah. I loved that about him. Yeah. He's just like, yeah, lost my fingers. What do you want? Yeah. I'd be like, I can't live, can't go on anymore without my fingers. I need those. What if I want to play the piano or something? Yeah. But he's just like, yeah, fucking lost those. My wife's grandfather, towards the end of his life, got a bit diabetic and they were a bit like, we might have to chop your leg off here. And as a joke, all her family turned up with just one slipper and things like that while I was in bed. That's a good attitude, isn't it?

1:00:05It is. It's a very glass is half, you know, the waist is half full. Of sugar. Yeah. So that's one fact. What's the other one? I liked that. Should we just go with that? That was the first Valentine. give us your little sexy little the Victorians used to send a thing called a vinegar valentine which was like an inverse valentine to someone they thought was a swine probably like maybe they probably sent one to Amundsen who reached the pole before Scott right where was he from was he Danish he was from Norway and he was it was sort of felt that he treated it too much as a race right and not enough as a scientific expedition I think also the the Brits were slightly bad losers I think yeah they invited him to a dinner in London and then they had a toast, but not to him, to his dogs.

1:00:58Because they were like, well, the dogs did all the work. That's why you won. Because you do dogs. And so he was like, well, yeah, quite a good idea. Yeah, in the end. Yeah. Scott and his men manhauled. All dead, weren't they? They all died, didn't they? Everyone who reached the pole died. Right. A load of other people who'd stayed back at one of the bases didn't die. But I think they did feel quite guilty. And it was just because of that diary that we knew sort of went on and that was when was it Scott that said oh I'm just popping out that was I think that was Oats oh it was Oats I'm just going outside maybe sometime yeah fucking brilliant absolutely I'm going to tell you what I was just I'm nothing I'm nothing when I hear stories like that I go I'm just a piece of shit yeah kind of also just like kind of just a little bit of humour wild wildian yeah yeah yeah bit of humour I'm going to put I'm just nipping out for a bit Yeah, I might be sometime.

1:01:51Don't wait up. Brilliant. Yeah. That's what's ever happened? Knew he was dying. Yeah. Knew he was dying. Knew he was going to go out and just die. Doesn't give a shit. Doesn't give a shit. That's a man. That's a real man. Not these big muscly beefcakes tanned in the virgin gym that are just sort of working on their muscles. Yeah. Stick them in the Antarctic. See how they'd get on. Yeah. Where's your protein shake now? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Oh, I haven't had enough magnesium today. exactly no I mean completely they were real men and it didn't make any difference because they all died anyway but also what was it they kept their this is terrible kind of bro podcasting now but like they kept their diaries this is not bro podcasting no right okay this is this is anything anti-podcasting this is me at my worst you can't you can't accuse us of like toxic masculinity right now okay but it is okay but tragic you can accuse me of tragic masculinity and like but they kept their diaries they kept their diaries going until right at the end and they were still recording the types of rock they'd found.

1:02:54And actually, the scientific research they did was genuinely helpful. And even though they were going to die, there was a bigger picture. And yeah, maybe they're religious, but you could also say that they wanted to bestow something to future generations. And they did. And we're still talking about them. So that is a kind of... I remember when you were reading that book. In the end, to be fair. I remember when you were reading that book. And my reaction was, do you reckon they wanked? Do they wank? Do you reckon they had a wank? Is that what Otis was really doing? And you... I'm just going outside.

1:03:28I'm over some time, if you know what I mean. And you went... Just go for a wank. And you... That does change it, doesn't it? It's still funny. By the way, it's still, in a way, it's still cool. Because it's fucking freezing. He's like, I'm so backed up, mate. I'm just, honestly, I've just got to... It is... Like, it's not... Just don't... When I come back, don't ask, right? But there's going to be a weird sort of ice sculpture out there, sort of in the shape of a splash. When did they go? Was it Georgian? No, not Georgian. I think it was 1912. No, that's Titanic. When was it? So it was after Victoria then.

1:04:12When did she go? 1901 or something like that. 1901 she died. I think it was post-World War I. Right. Was it like 1919 or something? Something like that? I said to you, do you reckon they wanked a lot? You went, no, they were very stoic and repressed. And you were saying it in a way where it was like, good on them. Yeah. Good. Yeah. Well, also, they would have been, they would have got frostbite. Of course. So you'd have to have a big, you'd have to really want a wank in order to get frostbite. Yeah. But yeah, I'll be some time. And everyone knew what he meant. Everyone was like, righto. Good man.

1:04:59Yeah. As you were. That's real men. That's like thinking outside of yourself. Yeah. I'll never come anywhere near to being a real... Self-sacrifice. In the age of this toxic masculinity, that's the... That's the, in my head, what masculinity is and what I fail to achieve is doing the right thing. Right, right. Yeah. No, I agree. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I agree. Even if you're going to die because of it, you still do the right thing and you've got principles and, you know. Yeah, absolutely. And it's the right thing because it will, as you say, help other people. It's thinking outside of myself.

1:05:41Exactly. And people will benefit from this. Exactly. it's not how much you know how much protein you've managed to have that day no no it's not do you want to end with a little love note to one another for Valentine's Day or just say something nice you've got nothing nice to say I don't want you if you want listen but I don't have a love note for Joe and it's just very simple I do love Joe Joe's one of my favourite people on the planet well I feel the same you're such a nice guy you do do the right thing do you remember me I keep going back to us like I'm just remembering early conversations that we had and i said to you and you might not remember this but i said to you do you know what joe you remind me of um like one of those uh guys that were um that was an officer during the first world war right and maybe you hadn't become an officer because you were a good soldier but because maybe you were a bit posh or something like that yeah but you were an officer that would go we're going over the top now follow me I'm going first this is what we're supposed to do I'm not you know I'm here with you we're all in this together and just because maybe I'm a bit posh or whatever doesn't mean I'm not going to get mowed down by this Gatling gun well that's very high praise and I don't I don't know whether that would be true because when I when it does occur to me what it would be like to be in the army I'm just like oh that must be fucking terrible yeah I know but I think I think when push comes to shove, I think you'd be like, right, we all know what's going to happen here.

1:07:13I'm with you. I'm going to be first and you can follow me. Well, listen, I will try to live up to that. Not literally, obviously, but in some way. And, you know, likewise, James. I do think you would go, Russians are low. I'm on my way out anyway. there's enough here for you lot to maybe eke out a day or two extra, I'm going out I might be some time, I do think that's the kind of person you are, I genuinely do, there's my little love letter to Joe, that worked, what an unbelievable love letter, and I mean, and James I would say to you, I appreciate the fact that you you know, you look out for me, you check that I'm alright I think you know me you get me, you know that I worry and you genuinely try and make me worry less, and that is a very sort of soothing thing that somebody can do for me.

1:08:07I don't want you to worry. I don't want you to worry. Especially with that podcast and stuff like that. It'll be all right. We'll be okay. We turned up last week. We didn't have any fucking facts or anything. We managed to do what I consider the best episode we've ever done. Even though you called it the worst. Well, at the time it felt like the worst but I've really listened to it. These last three that we've done. Yeah, these are dog shit. Guys, thank you so much for listening we hope that you had a nice time maybe you learned something along the way we'll be back next week armed with more facts chats and love pacts and don't forget that you can get in touch with us if you'd like us to fact check something that feels true to you or whatever whatever crazy if you've shit yourself or something like that like we love all that yeah just apropos of nothing as all that story not connected no it wasn't certainly didn't have anything to do with valentine's I don't know if that was at Valentine's Pod.

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