The Fourth Emergency Service: Gladiators

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0:32I'm Claire Buckley, and if your idea of relaxing is listening to seriously unsettling stories before bed, then you are going to love my podcast, Pretty Scary. From terrifying true crime, haunting ghost tales, creepy alien encounters, and anything weird, it's the stories that leave you staring at the ceiling afterwards questioning absolutely everything. Lock your doors, get comfy, and prepare to dive into the darkness. Just search for Pretty Scary with Claire Buckley. Do you remember when we went to T4 on the beach? Yes. That was bizarre. That was really bizarre. I think we'd done one series of The Inbetweeners.

1:13Yeah. So most people didn't care about us at that point in our lives. And we went to T4 on the beach. It was miles and miles away. Western Supermare, wasn't it? So far away. Yeah, we were with the Skins cast. We were with the Skins cast. and we were on this bus on a coach with Skins cast, EastEnders cast, and the Gladiators. The Gladiators was around at the time. They always wear their costume as well. I did Celebrity Weakest Link. Not Weakest Link. One of them. Was it Weakest Link? It was Weakest Link. Was it Ramesh doing it? Yeah, it was Ramesh. Yeah, it's Weakest Link, that one. And the Gladiators were on after us, and they were just all in their leotards.

1:56I was like, can't they let you? No, they're always ready, mate. In case of an emergency. That's what happens. If you dial 999, they'll go, you've got services you want, fire ants, police, gladiators. I know. Gladiators. They haven't got time to pull up. They take ages. They produce ages to get on as well, doesn't it? Yeah, because you've got a towel cuff and stuff. Yeah. But I remember we got, we arrived. It took us about, I don't know, fuck it. We left at like four o 'clock in the morning or something stupid like that. I remember that. And then we got there and one of the Skins people, I didn't really watch Skins.

2:26I was in it. I keep forgetting that. I was actually in an episode. I was in like a scene of Skins. You were in everything at that time. You were in another thing as well. There was lots of stuff that I just popped up in. And one of the cast from Skins, they were like, right, this is where we're getting off. And I remember he got off the bus and just went, let's fucking have it, and just sprinted off into the horizon. And I never saw him again. Never saw him again. Can't tell you which one it was. I don't know which one. The problem with the Skins lot was, I mean, I think they were playing their age.

3:05Like a lot of them were like sort of 14, 15. They were just a load of children. Yeah. And we were like, oh, well, I don't know about that. We were like, they're a pipe. We were like, calm down, boys. But one of the – That's a bit much. I remember when we went to the first Comedy Awards. Yeah. Which was great. That was one of my favourite days. It was amazing, that. And I remember that because I wore it completely, they're on clothes. Right. They were like, it's white, they were like, it's black tie. And I was like, come on. So I was wearing like a, I wore a plaid shirt. Is that right? I don't remember that.

3:37Yeah. And I was framed out. When we won. Yeah. They just went. Right. I wore a plaid shirt and stood back. Right. But how old was you? When we were doing. Like a shepherd.

3:54When we were doing, so the first series, what was you, like 22, something like that? I turned 23 on pretty much the final day of shooting. Right. I was 19. I think I turned 24 on the final day of shooting. Fucking hell. I was already old. I was already going like, oh. I must have turned 20 or something while we were doing it then. You were the only one who was roughly the right age. I was still a teenager when we started, yeah. You could have, well, you were in Skins. Yeah. If I was in Skins, I would have had to play like a teacher or something. Yeah, absolutely. But when we were, when we were so, you know, by the time the show had gone out, we were all definitely in our 20s by the time that first series had gone out.

4:35Yeah. And when we were at this awards, the comedy awards, the Skins cast were there as well. And I remember one of them coming up. It was the little fellow with the glasses. Nice chap. Yeah. He's a bit of a weed smoker in it, isn't he? I don't know. I'm not sure. Yeah, he is, yeah. He came up to me and he was really nice. He was really saying just how much you enjoyed the show. Yeah. I was like, oh, man, thank you. He went, oh, and by the way, do you want a drink? And he pulled back his suit jacket and he had like a hip flask. He went, let me know. And I went, well, there's a bar there. I can just.

5:19No, but if you want to specifically. you want specifically this I was going but they're free they've got like an open bar like it's brilliant like it's great and I think he thought I was a 16 year old that's amazing that's that's so good but we went to and that's just a bottle of anything he's got from his dad's he's like I don't know what it is it was neat Robinsons yeah it wasn't it wasn't watered down at all it was we went to Western Supermere but I remember when we went we did a bit on stage. Oh, God. And it was just one of those situations where if anyone was on stage, all these kids were going to go mental.

5:57And they were. They were going absolutely mental. And then when we came off this stage, we had to go through the crowd. And there was these massive security guards that formed. They held hands and formed a circle around us. Yeah. And it was like, whoa, fucking hell, this is nuts. This is mental. Is this what it's like to be famous? This is insane. And then as we sort of got a bit away from the stage, the security guards just slowly released and just stood away from us and just realised that nobody was coming after us or wanting to grab some of our hair or something like that. What were we doing?

6:39What did we do on stage? What is this thing you just get on stage and be like? I don't know, like throwing things out to people. Yeah. well are you all having a good time yep and I can't hear you yeah you can do better than that yeah it is no matter you kind of think oh fine you see people on stage going like oh oh that was a bit disappointing yeah like you can do better and you're like oh god that's so lame if I was on stage I'd say something much cooler and then you're on stage and you're like who's on you can do better like just it's just there isn't that's all you can say on stage you become sort of a a footballer doing a a post-match interview you you just say the same stuff we had um we had ronnie irani in our school once it was quite sweet because we were giving him one of them big checks and um i don't know what for was you rad hole obviously yeah roy hud was it i'll get those mixed that's what i had planned so that's now that's ruined it's in my head it's the beak with that

7:46and he went I might have the accent wrong but I feel like he did have this accent he went thank you for the check I'm going to I don't I don't know why he'd have a West Country I feel like he had a West Country accent I'll take this take this check away from me with me obviously obviously not in my pocket because it was big and we were like quite good and then he went anyway thanks for having me and thanks for the check obviously won't be taking it away in my pocket we were like oh you did you did just do that you've done the same joke again I was it was you know it was good and if you've and I've been there if it's what you've got if it's what you've got it's what you've got and you're doing it you know what I'm doing it again you can't you can't say nothing I have been on stage yeah and literally said nothing yeah people people don't like it man no they have a problem with that they don't like that one you can't just Just, yeah.

8:38The waving. It's just the waving. Yeah. Would it matter if it was a little bit, it's a little bit. Cretin. Cretin. And he doesn't even rip it. No, yeah. That's what's so good. He's like, no, that'd be fine. You should probably get that dry clean. Right. Anyway. Anyway. Speaking of which, right. Yeah. I've been loving, just to sort of, just, we, we banked a load of episodes. This is the first time we've sat here. Yeah. in what about two months or something we've had a big time off haven't we you were off away I grew a moustache and then got rid of it again and now just out of it's coming back again it's coming back again now because I didn't have time to shave this morning middle of the day but I love the comments specifically what I love about the comments is the episodes I'm coming at is our shared between us and the viewer viewer, listener they're all they're viewing aren't they I don't know why Why do people want to look at two people in a chair?

9:36Don't knock it. I actually have got a bit used to it now. Two girls, one chair. Yeah. I'd watch that. Do you remember when we were supposed to watch that in the in-between? Yeah. I think we spoke about that, didn't we? I don't know if you have. We've not spoke about that. They wanted the beginning of the in-between. This was our audience. This is a really long cold open. This was our audience. This is what the people like. It's what the people want. This was our audience. I'm not interrupting. I think a lot of the comments were the things like, shut up, Lily May. and so fucking hell going in for Lily May which by the way I won't stand for because you know it's well one of my favourite bits in the stuff we've done was where we're talking about the trenches or something and then Lily May goes this is the Christmas episode yeah yeah so let me carry on about the comments our shared love of the XFM shows oh yeah especially yeah yeah yeah I will just say this because I think I mentioned that like I've got all those XFM shows and I got them years ago and I went to some dodgy website to try and get them.

10:38And I even wanted to listen to them again recently but the only way because I don't have that laptop that I downloaded them from. Yeah. The only way I can listen to them is through an old iPod that I've got. Yeah. Because they're all on that iPod. Yeah. They're on fucking someone's. They're on Spotify. Yeah. No, they are on Spotify. No, no. This was a rare example of me being. I mean, it's brilliant. It's absolutely brilliant. There's something I knew about technology that you didn't know. I was like, they're all Spotify. Because I messaged you about it. Yeah, they were on YouTube. And they were on YouTube.

11:12They've been uploaded by a guy called Manmoth. Call himself Manmoth, which is a reference to when Carl thinks that. Manmoth. Manmoth. And they're like, what do you imagine? He's like, she's got a little head. And they're like, what does he look like? He's like, just quite surprised. Surprised. um and then so they're on they're on youtube and there was a little community there so the comments underneath on there were like they're all really nice like there's one bit where one one guy had said the only time i've ever seen somebody apologize for a previous comment that they've made and he somebody literally went on saying like i'm really sorry i put some stuff last night i was like i was a bit stoned and like i just wasn't really with it and like i'm just really sorry i don't really i'm not really like that and everyone's like that's all right mate I think that's the first time that's ever happened on the internet, it was extraordinary and I think people like, people listen to it to like you know just to kind of soothe them, it was a lovely community, now they're on Spotify but yeah, it's funny that you were saying I just wish I don't think I'd maybe explained enough how I thought that they were these lost episodes and I was like fucking hell, so many people have listened to this we found our audience this is great because this is so niche and like hardly anyone I've ever spoken to really like they know the Ricky Gervais podcast and stuff sure but the old XFM shows and I used to I did have the XFM did put out like an official thing it was like volume 1, 2 and 3 it was just like best ofs and it wasn't all the there was like loads of great stuff missing it was it was such a small selection but someone could have gave me a heads up in the comments is what I'm saying just going Buckley you know It's quite easy to listen to them nowadays.

12:55Yeah. It was a bit like you saying you had access to some Beatles records. Yeah, it was. Some first prints, first copies. I've got a mate in America who sends the vinyls over. Yeah. Wasn't there an entire genre of music in like Crew or somewhere that was literally just based on the fact that somebody who lived there had a friend in America? This is like the 60s. Yeah, no, that makes sense. It was called like Dancehall or something. You just can't appreciate that. You cannot appreciate that. When you listen to old interviews of the Beatles and stuff like that, and they talk about just how music, unless it was jazz, how music just, like you couldn't get it.

13:41It was so unobtainable. And yet it had to come from America. Like someone had to have a contact in America to get it shipped over and stuff. Anyway, what are we doing? Well, I actually think just at risk of upsetting myself, but you were going to talk about the Two Girls One Cup. Oh, Two Girls One Cup, yeah. That's right. And I do think people do want to hear that. So this is a good, this gives you a good idea of the in-betweeners audience because they wanted to just start it with us watching it. Yeah. And we were like, well, will people know that that's what we're watching because they were just going to show the back of the laptop screen?

14:17Apparently. And Ian and Damon went, they'll know from the music. They'll know from the music. But they said to us, have you boys seen Two Girls, One Cup? And none of us had seen it. No, no. And they were like, right. And this was the height of Two Girls, One Cup, by the way. It was Two Girls, One Cup mania going on. They were Christmas number one. Absolutely. They were turning on the Christmas lights. No, that was the Cheeky Girls one. That was Cheeky Girls. I always get those mixed up.

14:45So, and they were like, have you seen it? We were like, no, we've not seen it. And they were like, right, do not watch it. We're like, right, okay, we won't watch it. And we were out of the loop, to be fair. Even though from what I know about it, it's a disgusting... It's such unusual advice to be told. Yeah. Don't watch Two Girls' Wings. Yeah, because what they wanted to do was to put a laptop in front of us in the common room in the sixth form of the in-betweeners, where we sort of start and end pretty much every episode. Yeah. I suppose that's our central perk. It is a bit, isn't it? It's the common room.

15:18Yes. And they were like, we want to get you guys and we're going to film you guys reacting to seeing this for the first time. And that's what's going to go out on television. Yeah. And we're like, right. Yeah, no, we like the idea of that because we heard it's outrageous. It's really disgusting. And we were up for it. We were like, yeah, that sounds like a really fun idea. Yeah, I mean, I was up for anything where I didn't have to act. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I honestly thought that sounds easy. Yeah. Yeah, and so that was the plan and everyone knew about this plan. I would say it was the biggest bit of planning that was ever done on the in-betweeners.

15:58Yeah, that was the thing that was so important. It was so important that we get their natural reactions to two goals, one cup. and it was left to props wasn't it it was left to design to have the laptop and the video on the laptop ready for us and they just kept asking have you got the video ready is the video ready to go yeah yeah yeah two minutes didn't have the video like just didn't have the video like never had it it was just a complete disaster it was just some porn and I was like you want me to react to this fucking watch this every day of my life. This is nothing. This is boring, mate.

16:42But we never got to watch it. Still not watched it. No, because then I think by the time we started doing that, I think it got removed from the internet. They took it down. I don't think you can... Which I think... How do you get something removed from the internet, by the way? That's almost impossible, right? Well, I guess... But that video's gone. I suppose it was probably... I don't know. Was it like the Prime Minister? Maybe the Prime Minister would have taken down. Imagine something being so disgusting that the internet goes, oh. That's a bit much, yeah. We've gone too far here. I always think about that.

17:21I always think that when I go to a library and I used to write. I used to go and write in a library near where I lived. And I used to write in the section which was like the books that the library was now selling because they didn't want them in the library. Old books. Old stock. Old stock books. And I used to think this is the most depressing place to write because like if you're a book and a library doesn't want you, where are you going really? It's sort of us, isn't it? That's me and you, mate. On that shelf. That's me and you. Do you remember we used to fucking sell DVDs like hotcakes? I know.

18:06HMV. Yeah, we were everywhere. That dog. No, we're sat there on the old stock. We are old. We're a remainder stock, aren't we? We are. 50 pence. Somebody take it. Please. Even the library doesn't want us. Even the library doesn't want you. Oh, well. But. Anyway. Anyway. No, but yeah, I am. So yeah, to this day, I've never seen Two Girls One Cup. I feel like we might have to make you watch it now. I think that might have happened. I've not seen it. I've not seen it. And I feel like it was such a sort of cultural. Can I actually say, I feel like it was the last time the country was truly united.

18:41I think so. You know, around the water cooler. The whole family, around the telly. Oh, what's on tonight, mum and dad? Two girls, one cup. There was points down the pub where my mates would be like, oh, look, I'll check this out. And I go, no, I can't watch it. I can't watch it. I cannot watch it. For professional reasons. I've got to, I'm trying to save my reaction to this video. It was, I will say, quite sloppy that they didn't have it on the day. Yeah, it was a bit. I will say it was fairly sloppy. But what was great was that. And I remember that it was a still image of some porn. Yeah. And also not particularly, can I say, hardcore pornography.

19:20I wasn't aroused at all whatsoever. Yeah. I was completely flaccid. yeah it was it was just like looking at i was pancake soft watching this thing it wasn't doing it that's not the reaction that i think they wanted if you have a completely numb reaction to two girls one cup you really have taken things too far i would say oh it's just like if you're like not really doing it for me it's not i need i need a bit more extreme yeah but i never got to see i never got to see two girls one cup and i feel like i missed out on a cultural event that happened worldwide. Yeah. I feel, I genuinely think I would have vomited from what I've been told about what it is because I can't do piss or shit or vomit.

20:07If I hear someone heaving, it makes me want to be sick. Really? Well, do you remember when we were fucking doing Inbetweeners? I remember that, yeah. And we were like, oh, you need to pretend. Oh, they were all for that, yeah. You need to pretend to be sick. You need to pretend to be sick. So I'd make myself gag and then I would just be sick. There was a scene in that tent. Yeah, that was it. Well, it just didn't... I'd lost track of who was pretending to be sick and who was actually being sick. Yeah. It was really horrible. There was a bit... I've got a memory of the second Inbetweeners film.

20:37We were in the Outback. And I've got to be honest. I don't know if I've dreamt this up or... I've only seen the film once. Cooked it up. When we went to the premiere. Yeah, and that was, I don't know, 15 years ago or whatever. A while ago, wasn't it? What happened in the 2010s? I'm looking at an engine and I'm like heaving or something. Is there something going on? Does Jay throw up in the desert? I've got this memory. An engine? You know, the car breaks down. Maybe. I don't know. I remember you get pissed on. I get pissed on. Yeah. That was tea. Just neat tea. It was neat tea. And also they hadn't bothered to call it down very much.

21:17So I was like, ow. Ow. To be fair, it might have just been the fucking weather. It was so hot. It might have just been the weather. If you'd left a bottle of water outside, it would have boiled. My God. The bloke that ran that hotel was frying an egg on a shovel one morning. That's incredible. Yeah. That's incredible. That's where we filmed. You shouldn't be out in cooking temperature weather. Because we're meat as well. I don't want to be slow cooked. The whole of the in-betweeners is either too hot or too cold. it was never we were never comfortable we were never comfortable we were never comfortable that's completely true we were let's film a summer movie during the winter we're like all right we'll do that yeah you gotta wear you gotta wear shorts and t-shirts and flip-flops and things like great it was like oh we got fed up with filming during the during the um the winter we're still going to film during the winter technically but we're going to be in the southern hemisphere yeah so it's their summer in australia i'm really not a fan of like earth temperatures overlapping with the lower range of cooking temperatures yeah like that really they shouldn't overlap they shouldn't it shouldn't be like well a hundred uh we're like 24 hours in this temperature and you'll be perfectly cooked you shouldn't be able to flash fry i don't want my steak no i don't want my meat To like fall away from the bone.

22:39Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, that was unbelievable. We need to do a podcast, Joe. How long have we been doing this for? Like 25 minutes or so. Right, there's a cold open for you. Yeah. Freezing. Hello. Oh, we haven't got a script, haven't we? It's frigid. Yeah. It's been a while, hasn't it? Haven't done this for so long. Honestly, it's been so long. I forgot that I had to buy a train ticket to get into London. I don't think you can blame the podcast for that. No, no, it's just that it's been such a while since we've been here. I was just like, I just turned up at the train station. I was just confused a bit.

23:16I was like standing by the barrier going, hang on, there was something I used to do to get through this. It's a good job you correctly remembered. I did, yeah. You could have remembered, oh, I just smashed my way in. Joe and James. Oh, Joe and James. Joe and James. Facts up, yeah. Joe and James, Joe and James, Joe and James, Joe and James, Facts Up! Anyway, welcome to the podcast. Welcome to Joe and James Facts Up. This is the podcast where each week we bring one another a fact we deem interesting. I've not got a fact! I forgot!

23:55I did mine, like, walking in. Yeah, I was half an hour late because I got my hair cut. You weren't half an hour late. Joe was an hour late, right? Joe was an hour late. And we were told by his management that he had an appointment that ran over. I didn't know they told you that. Yeah. They said Joe's had an appointment that's run over. And they said the word appointment that's run over. So we all have to sit there and go, oh, doctor. Oh, he's gone to the doctor and it's not good. So we can't see her and be angry at him. anyway he turns up the first thing I said to him was so you got your hair cut that was the appointment then when it you didn't see my hair yeah but I knew it was going to show I was looking at it I was looking at it I was looking at it in there it's a real sort of like shape up as well like it's really it's really like you can see the guy's done stuff that tomorrow morning won't look absolutely by the end of this evening he will look a bit older it was so fresh I was like it was really bad He had a hair appointment.

24:59That's why. Sometimes I turn up somewhere and it's really obvious I've just had a shower. And that's always really embarrassing to me as well. Why is that? Because I've just had a shower. That's a good thing, isn't it? No, but if I'm turning. I'm the opposite. I turn up at places and people are like, you need to fucking have a shower. No, but what I mean is sometimes they're all vaguely embarrassed if I'm like picking my daughter up from nursery and it's like 11.30. Because she goes from 8.30 to 11.30. And I'm like, I don't like the idea that they know that I was showering so close to the middle of the day.

25:27It feels a bit luxurious. You've basically only just started your day. I only started my day. I have a real thing about it. No, I do know what you mean. It always feels people, we're very suspicious of people who get up late, aren't we? I think we're like, getting up late is really seen as a little bit perverse. You're a bit of a wrong. Yeah. And conversely, if you get up early, people are like, oh, well done. Yeah. You know, God loves you. I do it. Why? I do it to myself. Yeah, I know. I don't have a nine to five. Yeah. But I'm like, got to get up. Get up. Got to get the day started. We really, really give ourselves a big old pat on the back if we manage to get up early.

26:00And I'm like, why? That's how I thought I'd twisted a bollock because I'd woken up a bit late. So I sprung out of bed. Yeah. Have I told you about this? No. I thought I'd twisted. I thought I'd had testicular scorsion. Because you sprang out of bed. No, I woke up and it was about half hour later than when I wanted to wake up that time. So because of that, you were like, fucking hell. No, no. No, I was like, in my head, I was like, I'm already losing. I'm already losing. Like, I'm already failing at the day. I sometimes feel an almost paralysed sense of shame just because I fell asleep for longer.

26:38I swung the covers off me, like really dramatically, and swang my legs to the side of the bed and just went, oh, like that. and then I had this dull ache for the rest of the day that just kept getting worse. And I was like, I've twisted a bollock. I think I've twisted a bollock. And then I had to call a friend, an emergency. He's my son's friend, dad. He's friends of ours as well. We know him because our kids went to school together. But he's a doctor. And basically what ended up happening was... When you call 999, they don't go, do you want fire, police, or do you want son's friend's dad? Or gladiators.

27:24Those are the choices. Basically what happened was I ended up on the couch in my living room with my son's friend's dad checking my balls to make sure I hadn't twisted them. Sounds like you carefully contrived a situation just to get this handsome fellow. I've got history of doing that. You're always doing this, aren't you? I've got history. I've got the woman. You're always worried about your balls. I've got a female doctor to look at my bum hole because I thought I had piles, but I didn't. And he said I hadn't twisted it. I've done that as well, to be fair. I thought I had, well, I don't know whether I could say this word, but I thought I had cancer.

28:07Yes. Why can't you say that word? I don't know. People don't like it, do they? And rightly so. No, I don't like cancer either, but the word still exists. I thought I had anal cancer. Yeah. Because I found hemorrhoids for the first time. Right. And I spent a lonely night, a long night of the soul, in my hotel room. Right, in a wheel. On Google Images, looking at pictures of anal tumours. Right. And being like, I just couldn't believe how out of control they were. I just hadn't. Yeah. The old piles, man. They didn't tell you about that. The irony is that a few years later, I did get piles. That is irony.

28:41Is that irony? Anyway. Anyway, welcome to Joe and James Facts Up. Each week we bring one another a fact. Each week we define a word. This week, irony. Each week we bring one another a fact. This is a long one, isn't it? This is going to be a long one. It's going to be a long year. Not done the intro. Not done the intro, yeah. Still haven't done the intro. Our policy is the more interesting. I've got to go and move the car in a bit as well. You do. No, you do. Let me read this bit and then maybe we'll take the break. Which, by the way, costs me£24. Two hours parking. That's all right. £24 to park.

29:12That comes out of production, doesn't it? Nowhere. Nowhere at all. Each week we bring one another a fact that we deem interesting. And our policy is the more interesting, the more true it is. We'll also dig into the weird things that you'd like to think are true, but don't want to research yourself in a segment that we're calling Fact Check. So we want you to send in your facts for us. Our email is hello at joeandjamespod.com. Our WhatsApp number is 07822 034 330. If you find any weird videos off the internet, like Two Girls and One Cup, you can send those as well. I'm expecting lots of links next week.

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30:40I started Ornod in 2013 and we make bike apparel. The best part of Shopify for me is our ability to run the business as essentially non-technical people. We're able to admin everything on the back end, front end, and sell things online easily. If Shopify were a bike accessory, I think it would actually be the bicycle. It's the thing that you do the thing on. We run the business on Shopify. Start your free trial on Shopify.com. I'm Claire Buckley, and if your idea of relaxing is listening to seriously unsettling stories before bed, then you are going to love my podcast, Pretty Scary. From terrifying true crime, haunting ghost tales, creepy alien encounters, and anything weird, it's the stories that leave you staring at the ceiling afterwards questioning absolutely everything lock your doors get comfy and prepare to dive into the darkness just search for pretty scary with claire buckley joe and james facts up oh we should do a bit of talking about how are you doing jt we should do yeah yeah okay oh sorry i'm sorry i see yeah what's funny is i was up for it because I was like we haven't actually really spoken about how I am no and I do think the podcast is mainly about to check in on me I feel like the reason you do this is because you're like it's good for Joe to have a regular kind of get out of the house type thing yeah careful I know but like you know when you take an old person out and you're like they just don't they just never get hugged anymore and I think I feel like you're doing and so thank you you know I know you're too nice to mention it but I do appreciate it I do have quite a big successful podcast that I do with my wife.

32:27I know. You don't need to do this. I know. And look, and it's nice of Claire to share you with me as well. Honestly, I mean it. I'm not, honestly. Claire would be happy to give me to you. Oh, well, don't tempt me. Well, it's an intriguing. There's nothing in there I was like why am I miming this I'm having mic problems now What have we got here Lily mate Is this a message From someone called Scott Yeah we've had some responses Well this is a response to Your call out for people who are inspired By the in between us Inspired yes I meant professionally Yeah I meant sort of like if there's any sort of up and coming comedians or sitcoms.

33:26Is this going to be like, oh, I was inspired by the Inbetweeners. So I started having a wank in an old people's home. Might be. Might be that. Right. Okay. So Scott's here. It's more that. Scott sent us a WhatsApp message. Not sure if I was to email or if I could send in here. It's already sounding very Inbetweeners, useless, sort of out of his depth. But my name's Scott. Unnecessary preamble. My name's Scott. Prior to sending this, I was thinking about sending it and thought I would and here it is. My name's Scott and I heard you talking about the moments from the in-betweeners that people copied or tried.

34:04My story is embarrassing. So when I went to lose my virginity for the first time, that's usually when you lose it, isn't it? It was with a girl in my year at school. We were 15 years old. The first night I went to put it in. But I came on a leg before it went in Wow I went home extremely embarrassed But I watched the episode of the Inbetweeners that night Where Jay says to Simon he should wank before it And a couple of nights go by and we go again It's a tactical wank A tactical wank? I had a wank in her toilet exactly like the episode And then the episode basically happened in real life I couldn't get it up I started punching my willy No, he said he didn't.

34:47Oh, sorry. I didn't start punching my willy, but instead faked a phone call from my mum saying something has happened and I need to be home urgent. I didn't lose my virginity for another year. And the only time she spoke to me after that was when her and her friends were laughing at me in the corridors. Thanks, lads. Don't thank us. No, I mean, I suppose there's a trace of irony in that. Thank you. I'm so sorry about all that. I don't think that the tactical wank is meant to be good advice in the show. I think it's meant to be a classic piece of like... This is the problem with the in-betweeners.

35:29It's not... People come up to me and they go, they don't know me personally. They think I'm Jay from the in-betweeners. And they go, you're such a legend. You're my hero. I've had loads of people say those words to me. I'm like, I don't... No. The whole lesson. Every episode, the lesson is at the end of the episode, don't listen to Jay. Don't take any advice from Jay. Don't listen to Jay. He talks bollocks. If you can do the opposite of what Jay suggests or says, then you'll be in a better place than what you were at the beginning. And in the episode, it's not as though Simon follows Jay's advice to his great success.

36:09Yeah. So it's funny. Yeah, also. I have to say I feel really sorry for Scott that this happened and I have to say it shows refreshing vulnerability to share this it's a funny story and hats off to you for that and actually it takes a bit of bravery to share that Scott I'm just fucking I'm sure the girl didn't mind and it is a funny story and the phone call for the mum is funny I don't know Yeah. To be honest. It's such a hard thing to fake. At 15 years old, I would have done anything to have come on a girl's leg. I know. I mean, in a way. I mean, he's a fucking legend in my eyes for getting that far.

36:50Absolute lad. Yeah. How the fuck's he managed that? On the leg, no less. On the old, yeah. Wet leg. What? Wet leg. The band. Yeah. I think that's where they got their name from. She formed wet leg after this. She did. And, you know, now they're riding high on the charts. That girl went on to form wet leg.

37:13So it's all, oh, both laughing out in the corridors. Oh, well. Do you know what, man? Oh, well. I just wouldn't, I don't know what it says about me. Like, I'd be like, I just wouldn't be ashamed. I was like, yeah. I would have, yeah. Came on her leg. I would be bragging about it. Yeah. At 15. 15. Scott, you're a ledge, mate. Honestly, I was still balls deep in championship manager at 15. That's what I was doing. Or just endless championship manager. I remember, I don't know if this, this is how uncool I was. I thought my mate's older brother, my mate had an older brother that was a couple of years above us.

37:53That's above us, by the way. Time. him and his mates they were like in year 11 or whatever in year 8, year 9 him and his mates bunked off school the release day of Championship Manager to go out and buy it and I was like fucking hell legends they're so cool

38:19I'll have to get it at the weekend or something like that they bunked off school to buy what is essentially a database that you can interact with a bit. It's a brilliant game. It is a good game. It's a brilliant game. Also, I haven't paid it. Paid it. Played it? Played it. No, paid it. I haven't paid it since, I think, probably 2000. Really? Oh, it's so good. It's football manager now. Anyway, I don't want to get bogged down, but shout out. Let's start getting injured. Shout out to Miles and the gang. They make a brilliant game. I've got an email here from Christopher as well, Joe, who says, there is an American company trying to bring back underground pipes for delivering stuff dead fast in cities called Pipe Dream Labs.

39:01Can I click that? Yeah, you can. There's a link to it and it's, yeah, delivering stuff via dildo tubes. But they're bringing it back. The dildo tubes are coming back. Yeah, big time. What do I do? Pick up anything in 15 seconds or less. Right. They're also using, do you know those little car robots as well that like drive around neighbourhoods? Oh, they've got little solar panels on their backs and stuff. Yeah, I think they're using those as well. Oh, look at this. Oh, that's right. Yeah, you're going to have to put up a visual for this. Oh, look, here we go. Here's a guy at home. PipeDreamLabs.co.

39:34He's run out of wine. Run out of booze. Yeah, they've got little, what I would describe as mine carts. Drive, like in pipes, in tiny pipes going around the city. I don't know they're not the dildo tubes not the same no you need to have the phallic pod and there needs to be sucking there needs to be some suction it's really it is cool though it is really cool it will never happen I mean they're literally called pipe dream they're not

40:11you know what I mean yeah it's a bit of a bit of a Freudian slip yeah so but good luck What's your company called? Pie in the sky. Good luck. Right, it's probably time for us to present our facts. How do I get back to the script? I just don't have a fact for you, Joe. I've just not got one. This is awful. I was an hour late. You haven't got a fact. Yeah, I just forgot everything about doing this. Yeah. What we do to do this. I forgot to do any prep. I forgot to get a fact. You have worn a shirt that you thought I would appeal to me. Because of my point about... Because you said that men dress...

40:51As though they're about to do a job of work. Yeah. Or I think maybe they've just come from a job of work. That's what... And it's... So what is that? That's a kind of... American mechanic. Yeah. So the fact of the matter is... James doesn't have a fact. It's the time of the show where I would usually present a fact. It's... And I'll be honest, right? It's a fact about Tony. With famous Tonys. Famous Tonys. and there is there is and I do there are famous Tonys and I did have a brief little look there nothing funny or entertaining you've done your homework last minute and that's okay sorry that's okay we've had a great episode so far it was a hard one it was a hard one off with my head is that what happens I'll get executed now correct we'll get in so let's let's go let's go to fact check is the theme right Do you want to do it, Joe?

41:47Yeah. Okay. It is time to fact check. This is the part of the episode where we will be reading a fact or a question that you'd like us to get to the bottom of. Then we're going to have a good think during the break and we'll come back and let you know how true it feels to us. Because that's the rule. It's a fact. The more interesting it is. Which is straight, again, once again, straight out of Carl Bilgerton's playbook. Yes, it is. Yeah, it is there, isn't it? If it's very interesting, he just goes with it. Yeah, that's right. He says something like a bit of guesswork is pretty close to the truth sometimes.

42:25Or maybe most of the time. I don't know. But yeah, that's what he thinks. That's his philosophy. I suppose. I subscribe to it. Does it ring true, basically? Yeah. We've actually had a listener who submitted a jingle for If It's So Fact It Hurts, which is a term you coined James a few episodes ago. Don't remember that. No, well you've forgotten many things. You've forgotten the basic format of the show. Well, new year, new me. So I just completely erased all my thoughts and feelings and memories. Imagine that. Is that what this term I'm trying to spot in mind is about? You can just wipe memories you don't want anymore.

43:06I guess so, yeah. I haven't watched it and I don't think there's any way I could. So how can I be expected to know? My arm's going on. let me snooze that I've got to collaborate on an Instagram post do you want to do that real quick no let's do Jo you read this well do you want me to play do you want me to play the jingle that we had sent in so fact it hurts yes so this comes from Mark and he's created a jingle for if we ever decide if something's so fact it hurts it's really fact it's 200 % fact so here we go this is from Mark

43:43That's incredible Does he just not say hurts At the end It just so fact it And then No he did say hurts He does say hurts I think it's just so Sort of melded With the music There's so much kind of There's so much like Riding guitar over the top Is that what it's called Yeah That's good Thanks Mark I think so Your alarm's going off now as well My phone's ringing But Right Read this fact And then we can have a break And we can sort out All the other shit That we've got going on Who's ringing me Is that a fire alarm? It's not. No, it's all right. It'll be fine. Daddy's at work. This is just the XFM shows.

44:17I don't mind it, but we're leaning into it too much. We're just completely ripped off everything. I know. And also, quite a lot of our show is just quoting the XFM show or misquoting. Go on. Go. Who have we got a fact check from? So this week's fact check comes from Joe. More irony. There we go. who's asked, is it true that the first high five

44:41was actually accidental when two medieval knights tried to swat the same mosquito at the same time? Joe. This is the worst episode we've done. They both missed the bug. They both missed the bug. But hit each other's hand and thought it felt triumphant so kept doing it. Right, hold off. Let's go to a break and we'll discuss what we've just heard there.

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46:09Lock your doors, get comfy, and prepare to dive into the darkness. Just search for Pretty Scary with Claire Buckley. Joe and James, Fact Time! We're back. We're back. So the fact check was the idea that... It's a brilliant story. yeah too many whole nights tried to swap the same mosquito I enjoyed this phrasing they both missed the bug they both missed the bug they hit each other's hand they hit each other's hand do you know what right when I first read that I was like that's fucking stupid that is absolutely stupid yeah but I wouldn't be surprised if there is a historical that it goes back to medieval times, knights.

47:02Yeah. Germanic. That's all I say on this podcast. Yeah, I just, I knew this would happen. If you can jump off onto Germania. I don't think they were trying to swat the same mosquito. Maybe. During the Crusades, I suppose. The thing is, but also, you wouldn't swat a mosquito against what? Unless the other hand was there, you're not even swatting it. You're just kind of going, it made more sense if it was saying they were actually trying to high five the mosquito right but then they accidentally so maybe the real story is it's something that no people do people swat stuff out of the air i suppose if it's that high five they'd have to be very close as well are they on horseback that's what i've got in my head they're on horseback yeah he says medieval knights i don't think that that's i don't think it's so fact it hurts but i wouldn't be surprised whether it was a gesture or something that goes far back further back than you than you think it would go the high five high five i wouldn't be surprised if it was greek or or roman But the phrase high five feels like a product of California.

48:30Yeah. It feels American. I don't know why. Oh, it definitely is. It's quite laid back. We still struggle with the high five. The high five's never taken off in Britain. No, it hasn't. No. I can't tell you. I can't remember a single, unless it was like when my kids were a baby. I think it's most of what you do with children. You're like, yeah, you've done your drawing. High five. Yeah. And they can't do it either because it's just like... Yeah, they're pathetic at it, aren't they? They haven't got any bones in their hands. They were idiots. Just get better hands. Learn to read. The high five's never really been adopted by Britain.

49:05That's for sure. It's not in our nature. I don't know. We don't high five. We don't high five each other, do they? If someone went to high five me, I'd feel very uncomfortable. I think also it just, if you've won a big case at the Old Bailey and then you're high-fived, to me it'd cheapen it. Yeah. I'd sentence you for that. Yeah, I'd say, wait a minute. I'd say, come back in. Come back into the dock. Yeah, yeah. 45 years without the possibility of... 45 years for high-fiving. For high-fiving in my courtroom. For high-fiving in my courtroom. It annoys me. Now, I don't think that this story is true.

49:43What do you think, Joe? I don't think it's true. I don't think it is fact. But it's an intro. I like the way it's... I like the sort of... The confabulation of the scenario. It's a new word for me. It just means making something up. Okay, thank you. Yeah, I don't know why. It's one of those words that you don't really need. No, it was unnecessary. Do you want to hear a word that I think is totally unnecessary? Go on. utilize it just means use like just say use like like utilizing my weapon I subdued the just say use it doesn't mean anything no I feel like it means use in the the most productive way possible I think there's a difference between use and utilize I feel like there'd be another word for that listen I'm against long words unnecessary long words they make me feel bad I don't I think utilise doesn't mean anything other than use and I think people just use it to try and sound clever try and sound clever alright we'll get rid of that we'll get we'll get to the bottom not that one in the head but yeah are we saying not fact something about this scenario these two knights in a in a in a bloody bothered by I think if you're a knight you've got a little bit more to worry about than a mosquito.

51:09I do, I just think the idea, you know, you've probably got a cannonball coming at you. You wouldn't be like, oh God, it's a mosquito, what if the mosquito, I suppose if, to be fair, look, if a mosquito got into a suit of armour, that would be, that's a problem. That would be unpleasant and could lead to. But to be, and also, they've got to have a clear sight of you and all that sort of stuff. Yeah. You know, you get sports people that would get put off. You saw Littler with that wasp. I didn't see that actually. You didn't see it? I know I'm aware he still won, didn't he? Yeah, but he couldn't do his darts properly.

51:45No. Is that what you call it? I'm off to do darts now. Yeah. He couldn't do his darts properly with that wasp in his face. Yeah. So maybe something like that happens. But I don't think the idea of like these two knights both swatting something at the same time and then just being like, whoa, what was that? Yeah. Yes, I think that that's the bit that I... Yeah, we should keep doing that. I don't think that's... I don't know what that was, but what would we call that? We couldn't have done that if we tried. Yeah. You'd be like, no, surely you've done that before. Why would we do that? What would we call that?

52:19Well, I've got five digits here. I've got five fingers in my mails. We raised our hands quite high, didn't we? Is that the discussion that went on? How many crusades have we been on? Five. Five. I don't know why I've said that. It's ridiculous. Did I tell you the story about how I am? Go on. Did I tell you my fascism number five story? I feel like I've done this somewhere else. What? I wrote my dissertation at university on fascism. This is the first I'm hearing about this. And you talk about being at university constantly. Well, I hadn't really done it. No. Yeah, you mentioned that a lot. How you just did everything in the last five minutes.

53:05I just hadn't got it together. Really? Go on, carry on. I was in the computer room. On the intranet? Probably, possibly on the intranet. And it got to like five to four or something. I was like, I've just got to go to sleep. I can't. I can't. This is crazy. So I went to my bed and I had an hour's sleep. It wasn't sleep. It was a kind of horrible, hallucinatory kind of panic tremor. Yeah. Then I got back and I was walking back to the computer room and there was a clock. And I looked at the clock and I hadn't written the conclusion for my decision. It was during that day. And I was like, I don't know.

53:51What do I think about fascism? I don't know. Don't ask me, Gav. Against it. I honestly thought I'd be able to go like, look. Is that what you put in the thing? I honestly thought I wanted to. I thought I'd just be able to put like, rubbish, isn't it? Yeah, no good. and I saw the clock and it was five o 'clock and I was desperate for this conclusion. I was like, fascism, fascism. Five, five, five, five. Fascism, five. Fascism, five. Fascism, five. Five. It's about fives. It's about fives. Fascism is about fives. It's about five things. It's something about five things coming together. Joe, I don't know.

54:29And I went back in being like, I've got it. I've cracked it. I don't know. I don't know what you got out of the out of your university experience because there's a lot of my i i i am genuinely someone that is quite embarrassed about how uneducated they are and it makes me it does make me feel very insecure and i'm very cliched of that person is like i wish i'd paid more attention at school okay i'd love to go to school now i'd absolutely love it they were offering me so much stuff that was just there, like for free. I regularly dream about being back at... What I would say is that never goes away.

55:11Even if you do have education, all you feel is, oh, but somebody else did better. Right. What if you're me anyway? Yeah. Like whenever you talk to me about your university experience, the only thing that I feel like you've got from going to Cambridge is a crippling addiction to coffee. that's the only yeah because you're always telling me about how you basically ran on coffee yeah yeah yeah and and that carried on all the way through the in-betweeners and um i mean you're drinking tea now which is lovely to see by the way yeah no i can't because coffee actually i realize it makes me really anxious does it yeah and uh yeah i am no when we did the first series all i was trying to do was time the caffeine high to coincide with my single yeah that's all i was trying to do i was like there's no reason why a performance would come out but the drugs might make you know in eastbound and down where he goes on the dance floor and just goes work drugs i've never seen eastbound yeah but basically i was just trying to be like well the caffeine will speak for yeah you need to time it yeah i think i never really came down and settled and never really kind of calmed down and so i i yeah i regularly dream about being back there and then like you can have another go i'm like oh god thank you no you can you can go yeah you can you can you can you can you said yeah i don't think you should or need to i don't think it's i don't think it's necessary but i just feel like i feel like you were already had all the ingredients of a bit of a basket case right yeah and i think i think cambridge just yeah it wasn't all out on you yeah and now and now you're carrying that with you for the rest of your life yeah sort of um sort of yeah i know i i yeah i can i can see that

57:21What do we think of fact check? Oh, yeah, fact check. Good point. Right. Thank you, Lily May. I don't think that two medieval knights, I don't think there will be any, that would be impossible to have any kind of historical documentation. Yeah, we can't. Yeah. However. Entire libraries have burned down. However. And yet somehow we've got this. Well, no, I mean, it might be, I suppose what we'll say is unprovable. Unprovable. But I will, I'm torn, man. I'm really torn. because usually, you know, all those sort of, like when we talked about the saluting and stuff like that, where it was originally like taking off, but then I feel like the high five would have stayed in the military.

57:59Like maybe they're doing it. So they'd still be like trooping the colours and like high-fiving each other. Things like that. Like I feel in some way or another, if it was a historical thing, it would have stayed. Because the military love to hang on to fucking - They like hanging on to stuff, don't they? antiquated, just a bit, pointless traditions. Just a bit. I'm going to just say no, no, it's not fact. I'm going to, I'm going to, it gets a big old B for bollocks for me. Ooh. Okay. Well, it, it just, I love it though. I love the story. I love, I love the thought. I see it in my head. There's two nights.

58:36They're on horseback. They're going to swap the same mosquito. They accidentally high five and they go, dude, what did you just do? I wish that there's an innocence to it. that I, you know, applaud or whatever. But I don't think we can't really say that that's historical fact. We're going not a fact. Not a fact. No. Good name though, Jo. Lily May, have you got anything to help us out with this? Yeah, I have done a little bit of research. So it's mainly sort of linked to baseball. And there was sort of an accidental celebration of a high five. so sort of similar to the knights in a way but basically they said they high-fived by accident and and that's what popularized it i think there's a guy called glenn burke as well who popularized it but there are sort of no real facts as to where it genuinely started however there is um history of the low five which comes from like an african-american jazz scene basically I think that's around in the 1960s maybe before then and also women's volleyball also may have used the high five before elsewhere but there's no like factual where the very first one started from the low five so could the low five come before is the low five a conscious take on the high five or is it well the low five is just like like that like so much of like culture of modern day culture has come from sort of jukeboxes and sort of diet bars and juke bars and stuff in sort of black American sort of 1920s.

1:00:17Yeah. That's just sort of spread everywhere. We're all sort of culturally appropriating that, aren't we? Yeah, that's probably true. Loads of stuff has come from that. Yeah, yeah. And it's just treated as kind of like, well, that's just, you know, it's always been there. Yeah. Some people have also, this is definitely not true, but I thought I would add this in. There is a fabricated tale from the Battle of Hastings involving a Norman archer. We love Hastings. Basically saying he accidentally invented it after hitting King Harold, slapping his hand in celebration. It's in the Magna Car. No, not the Magna Car, the bio tapestry.

1:00:55It's in the bio tapestry. Yeah. Should have seen it. Yeah. Should have seen that. It's on loan, isn't it, at the moment? All right. What's his name, Joe? Sorry, Joe. that doesn't we don't that doesn't get the stamp sorry but a great story yep so sort of fact yeah because it was funny and amusing yeah Joe I hope to God that you've got a fact because I turned up without one yeah it's the one thing I'm supposed to do I have got a fact so this fact was about famous Tonys yeah and it was oh have you just come up with a fact now I've not come up with a fact, but I've come up with something that I'd want to do.

1:01:37Go on, you do yours. Famous Tony's. So I was just thinking about names. Sorry, I don't know if we said this, but it was because you got confused. It was because I got confused between Tony Stark and Tony Hawk. I've already forgotten who Tony Stark is again. Tony Stark is Iron Man. We told you this. Yeah, no, you kept, every time you say it to me, I go, I know, Tony Stark, Game of Thrones. And it's not Game of Thrones either, is it? No. So I was thinking about names, the name Tony. Not a name you particularly hear much for new babies now. I don't know many babies have been christened Tony. Anthony?

1:02:14AJ? Anthony? Anthony Joshua? Yeah, but I'm talking about like babies. Babies being born now. I don't think that's... I think if we looked... I'm interested in trends in baby names. Shall I agree with you just to help you out with your impact? Okay, so when I say Tony, I think it's more, you know, my parents got a friend called Tony. A baby Tony. I'm picturing a baby with a moustache. But yeah, or honestly, I think probably now more genuinely more comfort girls, T-O-N-I, I reckon Tony's as girl would now outweigh Tony's boy for boys. Right. And I'm interested, like, and other names. And so I was, I don't know, it's not the most one like that.

1:02:56Like, I heard something about Gary. There's no Garys anymore. Yeah, Garys. If you're having a baby boy, you ain't calling that kid Gary. No. I don't know. And I don't know why. What was happening to Gary? I don't understand. Like, is it just, it was so ubiquitous. And now it's like, we just can't. I heard about three Garys in my year in primary school. It's gone. It's totally gone. I think I thought, was there a year? Can we check this? Was there a year where no Garys were born? Literally no Garys? Because that's wild. Yeah. Anyway, so Tony, so this is a shit fact. That's why you haven't got on one shit.

1:03:29So the year in which – do you want to know the year in which most – in the UK in which most boys were Chris and Tony? Right. Most boys, Chris and Tony in the UK. I think it's very far back in history. I feel like it's Italian. I'm thinking Roman Catholic. I'm thinking before – I'm going before – I think we might not have had records that far back. Henry VIII. So did I say modern – so 20th century? 20th century. Because I don't know about that. We probably just don't know. And also there were less people. Right. So 20th century. I feel like there might have been after the 40s, there might have been a bit of like, because I just think Tony's Italian.

1:04:15Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And I think there might like after the 40s, there might have been a bit like, we're not into the Italians that much after they teamed up with that. Hitler, which we haven't mentioned so far. Oh, yeah. Mentioned fascism, though. Then we'll be back to fascism. We'll be back to that. I'm going to say 20s. 20s. Okay, so you went there. 1965. No way. What happened in 1965? There must have been something culturally. I'll tell you who was riding high in 1965. Mr. Tony Bennett. Right. Tony Bennett. And I looked up Tony Bennett. So my fact is basically about Tony Bennett. Basically, he was just a really good bloke.

1:04:55Yeah. He helped liberate a concentration camp. Literally. Yeah. That's pretty amazing. Yeah. He went on the Selma to Montgomery march, like the civil rights march, and performed. Yeah. Basically just an unbelievable person. Do you know what? It's not a very good fact, but I thought it's vaguely nice to hear about a nice person. Supposed to be actors, right? Yeah. Yeah. I've sort of forgotten. Yeah, but when you hear about those classic Hollywood actors, but they also served in Japan, all of them. I know. Like bloody, what's his name? Presley? No, the other one. The other one from that, Johnny Cash.

1:05:42Yeah, yeah. Johnny Cash was in the Air Force. Presley was in the Army at some point. I imagine it probably helped to put things a bit into perspective as well. You probably worried about stuff a bit less when you were just not being shot at. Like, we'd worry about our little TV show. Yeah, I know. Oh, God, what is... I bet they were just like, oh, I'm just writing a song. Yeah. If people like it, great. If they don't... Exactly. It's not too bad. It was probably a laudable attitude towards what was essentially like pop culture. It's not surprising when you hear Tony Bennett was there liberating a concentration camp and stuff like that.

1:06:18It's like, yeah, they all had proper lives, didn't they? Yeah. I just don't think it's... Whereas I just pretend to be a schoolboy. You just had a coffee addiction. You really got into coffee. I used to drink two cafetiers in the morning and then I'd go completely mental. Then I'd go to the bathroom, sort of throw the towels around and then come back out. Well, literally, I'd have to bash stuff about a bit. Right. Then I'd come out and Simon Bird to try and coax some writing out of me. Yeah. See, I'm more aware of this in hindsight. Yeah. I'll be honest with you. Yeah. Because I just thought it was quite funny how nervous and anxious you were.

1:06:59And I was like, oh, I bet I can really wind him up. You could. But to be fair, though, you were actually a kind of welcome. But I was a kid, man. It was like fighting fire with fire. I was like, actually, at least I prefer this sort of winding up at least. Yeah, it was route one. It was literally route one. There was that, have I spoke about the time where I, I must have done, it's one of my favourite stories. What did you do? Joe was in the distance, sat on a bench. This was while we were filming the Caravan Club episode. Joe was outside, sat on a bench, having one of his, like, frequent, many breakdowns.

1:07:42So it was like, you become desensitised to it. You don't, in my defence. Yeah, I know. It doesn't become a thing where you go, oh, God, is Joe okay? Because it's happening all the time, right? And Joe was in distance and I did that thing where I looked above him and waved and Joe turned around and saw that there was no one behind him and then turned around and by the time he turned around back at me, I was just giving him the middle finger. and Joe said why would you do that apart from making me want to hate you yeah that is probably an overreaction by me to be fair no but no that's that's fine I'm not good with deception I don't I don't find it charm like a charming distraction I feel I literally feel like the entire fabric of reality is falling apart what happens when like a close up magician well I know that's a trick but what I mean is I hate those card games where you have to pretend that you've got something you haven't got right I'm just like we can't start lying to each other man we cannot start lying to each other because it would all fucking fall apart like so much just relies on I can't check everything if I go to somebody what's your name and they go like oh Gavin I'm like I just take it as fact they could do you know what I mean like they I don't go show me some ID you gotta turn your do I need to do I need to ask for ID Your brain is like just revving in the red constantly.

1:09:14Yeah, I know. You need to just move gears a little bit so it comes down. I'm working on it. I'm working on it. There were only eight babies named Gary in 2023. That's what I'm saying. Only eight? Only eight. That's nuts. We've not had a Gary-less year. We've not had a Gary-less year. We were pretty close. it's really like out of what how many babies are born in a year in the UK do you think nine I think nine million at least yeah so actually it was really good it was a good year there was just hardly any babies did it bounce back after 2023 you know it's bounced back a little bit what's it up to now what's it up to now let me see what 2024 figures because there was a big campaign about Gary's right Katie's sign sorry Katie we're gonna get we'll get on with it Jesus Christ So basically, my fact is...

1:10:08It's still extremely low. Kate, you've done nothing for me today. It's still extremely low. And my confidence... Don't sigh. Joe turned up a bit late today and there was a bit of an awkward silence. So Katie felt... While we were all waiting for you, Joe. So Katie felt like she would feel that silence with telling me that she... She's my manager, by the way. She was telling me she's never watched The Inbetweeners. And when The Inbetweeners came out, she was just like, I hate this. I hate all of this. This is not funny. that's amazing I was like well you've you've bigged me up thanks I'm ready to go off and do a podcast now I quite I like I like a strong reaction it's good I don't hate it remind people that don't like the in-betweeners it's fine I agree with them it's like there's lots of I don't like yeah it's the same with all the all the critical comments that we get yeah they're not like mean they're not like they don't they don't poke at us physically they genuinely talk about the the show yeah The comments are, if they're critical, they're critical about the comments of the show.

1:11:07And you go, yeah. No, no. That's right. Should we wrap up, Joe? Yeah. Because you've got to move your car. I've got to move my car. It's parked. And then we've got to do another episode. Oh, no. Do we have to do that again today? Yeah. Yes, Joe. Can't we? No. This is your fault. Yeah. Oh.

1:11:30So horribly accurate. Anyway, I'll say this just to get us out. We hope you've learned something. I had a nice time. It doesn't necessarily need to have been both. We'll be back next week armed with more facts, chats, and Gary Stats. And don't forget that you can get in touch with us if you'd like us to fact check something that feels true for you or to you. Or whatever nonsense you'd like us to tell us. Any information you need to get to us. Any message. Anything you want us to talk about. Weather warnings. Yeah. anything you think we'd find funny our email is hello at joeandjamespod.com our whatsapp number is 07822 034 330 and follow us on our social medias we're at joeandjamespodcast and you can also DM us on that right and head to the podcast description if you've already forgotten those details there we go that was a podcast I don't know what that's going to be I don't know how this is going to sound I hope you enjoyed it on the ground bye Thanks, guys.

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