SERIES 15: Episode 10 - Scamp & Dude, Moi, Fab Lollies, Hayley Menzies

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1:06Michael Douglas: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to this week's Making the Cut with me, Michael Douglas.

1:10Davina McCall: And me, Davina McCall.

1:13Michael Douglas: And this is essentially the kind of trip advisor for your life, although there's a possibility you're a bit thin on the ground this week. I'm not. You know, you've got plenty.

1:22Davina McCall: I'm confident.

1:23Michael Douglas: Okay, very good. Well, I'm a bit thin on the ground this week. I've been very busy. And sometimes you just don't collect as many things throughout the week as you think you're going to. But I'm sure I've got lots to say.

1:34Davina McCall: Can I just say that I am very proud of you that you are so busy. Well done.

1:40Michael Douglas: Yeah, thanks very much. You know, it's that time of year where you wish you weren't that busy.

1:46Davina McCall: I know, because summer's difficult, isn't it? And everybody else is on holiday.

1:49Michael Douglas: Yeah, and they're all relaxing and enjoying themselves and all the rest of it. We've got one last holiday to have towards the end of the month.

1:56Davina McCall: And then it's really nose to the grindstone till Christmas.

2:01Michael Douglas: So I'm really looking forward to that. My youngest son's been away for a couple of weeks, which has been nice, you know, because I know he's just enjoying himself. Well, he's happy.

2:09Davina McCall: I think we've always said this, you're only as happy as your unhappiest child. And if they're all happy, it's absolutely bloody marvellous.

2:17Michael Douglas: And then my eldest son's going to a festival today and I won't see him again till next Monday.

2:22Davina McCall: And he's going to have the best time ever.

2:23Michael Douglas: Oh my God, he's going to have such a good time. Yeah, and that's really nice knowing he's... Yes.

2:28Davina McCall: And he's with his pal. Yeah, yeah. Who is the greatest person.

2:32Michael Douglas: Yeah, on earth. I love her. Yeah, she's great, isn't she? Oh! So I know that they're happy, and that's quite good, but it works mental at the moment. We've just launched into Boots. So all our products have just gone into Boots. Not just online, but in-store.

2:46Davina McCall: But in-store.

2:47Michael Douglas: We've gone into 80 stores for electrical tools. That's so exciting. And 120 stores for brushes. so if you're looking for a new hair dryer or straightening irons or curling tongs or whatever go to Boots and buy it from there because that would really help me so I'd greatly appreciate that but also we've got to say that they are better

3:10Davina McCall: than anybody else and I'm not lying when I say that they're quieter, lighter, more powerful

3:15Michael Douglas: easier to use

3:17Davina McCall: and they look better so end off

3:21Michael Douglas: fill your boots ladies and gents

3:22Davina McCall: And you can't get your hair dryer. Nobody else makes it because you've tweaked it.

3:27Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah, we've made it personal to us.

3:30Davina McCall: Yeah, you've made it better because you're the hairstylist that knows what everybody needs.

3:35Michael Douglas: So you'll get a hair dryer that looks similar, but the settings have been bespoke made by me. And the nozzles and diffusers have been designed specifically by me. So they are unique. Anyway, so that is happening. So that's exciting. It's very busy. so we're going to do some filming around various boot stores this week and then we're going to try and do a tour of the country and just pop into loads of different boot stores

3:57Davina McCall: that'll be so fun

3:59Michael Douglas: you're very good at that a lot of people are saying can you tell us when you're coming to Carlisle or whatever so we will put that on Instagram but it would be difficult to personally tell people

4:09Davina McCall: I will tell people

4:10Michael Douglas: sign up to the website subscribe essentially we'll email you each week where we're going to be and stuff like that so subscribe, subscribe

4:20Davina McCall: I don't know if we've mentioned The Knowing

4:23Michael Douglas: we've mentioned it a couple of times

4:25Davina McCall: well tell them about that, if they're going to subscribe to the website you should tell them about The Knowing

4:28Michael Douglas: so The Knowing is our AI platform that's on mdlondon.com, you can go there click on The Knowing and there's a little AI platform that's trained on all of my knowledge about hair, so you can have a conversation with me in real time about your hair and I will hopefully be able to solve your problems by giving you all the help and advice that you would need to deal with frizzy hair, flat hair, dry hair, you know, greasy hair, thinning hair, you know.

4:55Davina McCall: You don't just recommend your own product, you recommend all products.

4:59Michael Douglas: Yeah, all things we think would be helpful.

5:01Davina McCall: Yeah.

5:01Michael Douglas: I think there's even some supplement advice on there as well. So you can go and have a little click on mdlondon.com and click on the knowing. Yeah, and then make sure you subscribe because that's a way we can kind of keep you updated because the knowing is going to get more and more sophisticated. As time goes on, you'll be able to put pictures of yourself in there and I'll be able to show you with different hairstyles, different colours. I can't wait. Things that would suit your hair or your face.

5:25Davina McCall: Guess what hairstyle I'm going to do for myself.

5:27Michael Douglas: Oh, go on. A little short pixie crop thing.

5:29Davina McCall: Nope. Oh, well, I might try that. The only thing about me having a short pixie crop is I love my nose, but it is big. And a short pixie crop might just make it look too much. but I want to try the Joe Dirt haircut.

5:46Michael Douglas: Oh, the big mullet thing.

5:48Davina McCall: Yeah, but I want to try the, it's a wavy mullet. In my head, if I trim my hair, it's going to go wavy and I'll be able to diffuse it. And I'm going to look, I know so many women, like hot women with that kind of mullet haircut. I know exactly what you do. And I really want to see what I would look like. I know you're not sure, but this is the best way I'd be able to test it.

6:10Michael Douglas: I think it would be cool. I think we've just got to keep plenty of hair because you've got such big features, essentially, let's say. You've got big eyes. And big nose. I know what you're saying. Yeah, you've got a big smile and big cheekbones. So you have to keep your hair kind of biggish, I think, to make sure all that is in proportion. But I think you'll look fantastic.

6:30Davina McCall: Oh, great. Yeah. Okay, good.

6:31Michael Douglas: Let's have a little play around with that. When we get the capabilities to do that, we should do a campaign with you give you like five different hairstyles.

6:41Davina McCall: Yes, and the nation can choose which one I get.

6:44Michael Douglas: Yeah, and then we'll do it.

6:46Davina McCall: Oh my God, that would be amazing.

6:48Michael Douglas: Okay, this will be great.

6:50Davina McCall: Okay.

6:51Michael Douglas: So anyway, yeah, that's a little bit from me. It's nice to talk to everybody. It is currently Wednesday morning at 8.42am and we've both worked out.

7:01Davina McCall: We have. I mean, I'm feeling incredibly proud of myself. Yeah, me too. This is the second time in a row. Second day in a row.

7:07Michael Douglas: Worked out yesterday. Yeah, really good. We've been quite bad at working out recently. Yeah, we have a bit. We have a bit, but not anymore. Yeah, so if you're also feeling the same, you can join us on this journey of restarting.

7:21Davina McCall: Yeah. So listen, I want to talk about a shop called Scamp and Dude.

7:27Michael Douglas: Yeah.

7:28Davina McCall: Scamp and Dude, S-C-A-M-P and D-U-D-E dot com. is a really nice, colourful, fun, playful shop

7:42Michael Douglas: with lots of different colours, coats, bits of neon.

7:47Davina McCall: Neon highlights, like the coats are so nice. And they've got men and women's clothes. They've got a really good combination of cool and smart. But why I'm talking about them today is because they've got these products called charity products. Yeah. And a little bit like Choose Love, where they have certain products who donate all of their profits to good causes. Scamp and Dude have these things called Super Scarves, Superhero Sleep Buddies, the Nicky Newman Go Grab Live, Style for Stroke, Choose Love. They've got Choose Love things as well here. Oh, nice. And Lucky Pants. So I'm going to go through all of them.

8:33Davina McCall: So I basically got sent a lovely scarf by the lovely Lauren Laverne. It's a blue and grey cheetah super charity scarf. It's for breast cancer.

8:46Michael Douglas: Okay.

8:47Davina McCall: So the super scarf mission is for women going through cancer treatment because they are going through the toughest times. So to be gifted something that will make them feel and look great is brilliant. and it creates a kind of feeling of unity. So it's about creating something that they can kind of commemorate their treatment with. And this one that Lauren Laverne did, because you know Lauren...

9:17Michael Douglas: Yes, I do.

9:18Davina McCall: Lauren had cancer.

9:19Michael Douglas: Yeah.

9:19Davina McCall: It's really gorgeous and she... It's blue, it's leopard print and it is a charity super scarf. so there's loads of different types of print to it and there's just one size and they cost 40 pounds so they're very affordable which I really like I'm also just quickly going to talk to you about Choose Love because Choose Love here I've got these kind of foil rainbow foil bags and also gold foil bags and they're in the sale and they're 15 pounds each and they've also got these little superhero sleep buddies for kids the snuggle buddies so i mean it's a really it's a nice brand they make great clothes yeah they are super affordable and they've got these lovely charity products as well so i think they're a love mark love marks are one of those brands that you just love because they do good things and make nice clothes and i've got to say these scarves are very

10:21Michael Douglas: very good quality yeah just i don't know if you i'll read out the little bump about how it's all started so it said something from something dark came something light says hi joe here i first launched scamp and dude in 2016 our superhero sleep buddies were the first product i designed after recovering from brain surgery oh yeah and missing my little boys more than anything from my hospital bed i wished i'd given them a snuggly superhero to watch over them while they were apart this inspired me to create our superhero sleep buddies to bring comfort to other children who have to be apart from their loved ones for every superhero sleep buddy sold another would be donated to a child who has lost a parent or isn't seriously ill themselves so far we've donated 9 ,500 to children going through a hard time that's pretty good isn't it i mean that's incredible so that's how it all started really so scampandude is scampandude.com so you can have a little uh there's a little button that says our world which you can find out a little bit more about their story and events that they've got going on diaries and stuff like that and then there's obviously the shop itself but well done indeed it's absolutely fabulous again to say about the dresses you know

11:30Davina McCall: they're lots and lots of them are well under a hundred pounds and yes i was going to say the prices you know the prices are good reasonable and for me normally you know i bring you things that are quite often completely out of anybody's price range, including my own. They're very affordable. They've even got lovely playsuits, denim playsuits, leopard print playsuits, really gorgeous.

11:53Michael Douglas: Very good. So we met a friend last year. We met a brand new friend called Andy Cook. We met him at a festival and he was really funny.

12:04Davina McCall: Oh, God, I love this man.

12:06Michael Douglas: And turned into a very super valuable friend. Yeah, he's absolutely brilliant. who can only be described as a great return on investment. Like, you invest a little bit of time into Andy Cook and you get an enormous amount of laughter back. Yeah, and love. Yeah, and a lot of love. And big bear hugs. Yeah, yeah, he's a really, he's a big ginger fella, which I'm always a bit wary of, really. Shut up, shut up. But anyway, he's very, very funny. But it turns out he is, like, one of Britain's greatest chefs. Can I say something quite funny?

12:39Davina McCall: We're friends also with Elliot Grover. And he's an amazing chef.

12:44Michael Douglas: He's head chef.

12:45Davina McCall: And he is at The Cut in Park Lane. We've recommended him already, I think. But when we talked about Andy to Elliot, we didn't really know how good Andy was. We were just like, do you know Andy Cook? And he went, what? The Andy Cook.

13:01Michael Douglas: We were like, what?

13:02Davina McCall: He's got a V before it. Like, I don't understand that. and Elliot said he's like top five chefs in the country.

13:09Michael Douglas: One of the top five chefs in the country by journey. Absolutely amazing. So we were like, no, no, no, not that Andy Cook. He must be a different one. That was a good joke that, but she wasn't listening. Oh, sorry. That's all right.

13:22Davina McCall: I was just going to say, Elliot is chef at 45 Park Lane. Yeah. Yes.

13:28Michael Douglas: And he is a mega chef. He's actually due to be on TV because we went there because he's made a television programme that's going to be on TV. I think so anyway we'll tell you about that near the time anyway Andy Cook is opening three restaurants for some restauranteurs at the moment so I think he's what they call the corporate chef so he hires the head chef and all the other chefs and all that stuff to run the restaurants so he's a very important part of the whole thing so the first of his three restaurants has just opened up it's on Wardell Street in Soho and it's called Moi spelt M-O-I and it's Japanese inspired it looks like it's spelt moi like the French moi.

14:07Davina McCall: Yes, which I was quite confused by.

14:09Michael Douglas: But I think it's like Koi Carp, you know, like C-O-I is how they spell Koi Carp. Yes. So I think it's moi because it's Japanese inspired. So let's have a little look, see if it's got any bumf about it. It's got private dining. It's got something called a listening room. It's a very, very swanky place. I have to say, when you go in, it's pretty big. It's very, very impressive. the decor is fantastic and at the moment I think there's a little deal on because it's only just open so we went as what do you call it, like a testing night?

14:43Davina McCall: Yes, I think it's like just to see if everything works and to keep an eye on the team and how they kind of what do you call it, a soft opening? Yes, something like that.

14:56Michael Douglas: It's got a flaccid opening, I would say. It's probably a good way to describe it. so anyway we went along because he said look please come and just try it out and fill out a form and give us some feedback so we went I was just absolutely blown away after knowing Cookie now for about a year I knew he was very competent in his job and all that kind of stuff but I don't think I was expecting something so high end and so professional and so the food was like holy shit

15:26Davina McCall: and the staff were amazing

15:28Michael Douglas: Yeah, everything about it was absolutely knockout. And I'd say it's possibly one of the best meals. It's certainly in the top three meals I've ever had. Yes, me too. In any restaurant in the world. The setting was really nice. And one thing was the seat height to table height ratio.

15:47Davina McCall: It was perfect.

15:47Michael Douglas: I couldn't believe it. I was like, oh, I did tell him this about a year ago. I said, look, I don't like restaurants where the table's too high for the seat. Do you think he did it for you? He might have done it based on that. So I'm hoping that I had some influence here. yeah anyway i sat at the table and i thought great i don't feel like a child i feel like a normal regular apple um i'm not mad keen on sushi and japanese food really i don't mind it but it's not what i would choose to eat so i was a bit like am i gonna like this or is it just am i just gonna get through it anyway i'll read you the bump um moi a japanese inspired grill and omakase bar omakase yeah wow i said it right our menu sends us around the simplicity of live fire cooking showcasing British and Japanese produce.

16:31Michael Douglas: Sushi is handcrafted to create dishes rooted in tradition but with understand contemporary understated sorry contemporary flair. The main menu and the sushi menu are available throughout the restaurant for lunch and dinner so I'm just going to click on the menu and take you through a few things because the first thing was the the porthily oyster sweet sake and finger lime so these are four pounds fifty each so I had four of these oysters. Now I like oysters but bloody hell, these were fantastic. I don't know what finger lime is, but holy shit balls, I was like, my mouth went bang! I was like, wow!

17:07Michael Douglas: That was great. The sourdough was great. I think we had the bluefin tuna and the tempura lobster claw. Fucking hell. I'm not mad on lobster, but I thought, well I like tempura, I like anything deep fried and it had this curry emulsion with it it was 15 quid and you got two bits of it bloody hell I could have just eaten 10 of them they were so unbelievably good

17:33Davina McCall: and can I just also say what is amazing is how your taste buds have changed over the years but you are so much more adventurous now with food so even if you're a little bit nervous and you haven't tried something it is worth a try it is a party in your mouth

17:55Michael Douglas: the things I'm prepared to put in my mouth these days compared to 5 or 6 years ago is shocking

18:03Michael Douglas: that was a joke so pineapple rib tomato, smoked cream and toasted nori, I think we have that we have more bluefin tuna taki

18:16Davina McCall: taki's gorgeous absolutely gorgeous

18:19Michael Douglas: nice things I had a chicken and blood sausage that was also good, they were out of prawns which I was a bit disappointed in and then we had this lovely soup at the end, it was like a duck broth with some gyozas in it and a few other bits and pieces

18:38Davina McCall: was it dumpling soup?

18:40Michael Douglas: yes it was very good, slays down duck dumplings in bone broth and wasabi

18:45Davina McCall: duck fat, and bone broth is so good for you

18:49Michael Douglas: anyway for the two of us I think it came to and we both had drinks it came to about 126 pounds I think so it's not a cheap restaurant by any stretch of the imagination but if you're looking for somewhere special to go you want to take your wife a girlfriend a husband or partner or whatever it is somewhere a bit swanky um where it really feels like you're in a special London restaurant I think let me just get the address it's on Wardour Street and it's 84 Wardour Street which is literally around the corner from his studio I popped in there yesterday to see him actually he was having lunch with a mate of his in there

19:25Davina McCall: and I just had a quick

19:27Michael Douglas: 10 minute catch up with them but yeah exceptional work and well done Andy Cook and everybody else that works there it's moirestaurant.com and that's M-O-I great Summer's supposed to be the easy season. So why are so many people quietly Googling a therapist between summer Fridays? Because more daylight doesn't fix the hard stuff. Sometimes it just turns the volume up. Grow does therapy differently. Grow connects you with thousands of high-quality licensed therapists across the U.S., offering both virtual and in-person sessions, nights and weekends. There are no subscriptions, no long-term commitments.

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21:24Davina McCall: I would like to talk about something I think Kirstie Gallagher sent to me. And she sent me, have a look in there. because there's something so feely about this. So I know you're probably going to be thinking, everybody, who is she? What has she become? This is not Davina at all. But I am getting into crystals. Yeah. I don't even know. I'm not even sure that I feel anything coming off them. But there's something so feely and tactile and beautiful about crystals. Now, we've got an enormous amethyst in our bedroom. Yeah, that's what they call it. There's On Soul Emporium, which is who Kirstie Gallagher did this collaboration with.

22:13Davina McCall: You've got various sort of titles at the top on the control bar, but one of them is ritual kits. Now, look at these, how pretty they are. There's a thing called the Home Cleansing Protection Kit. I've got no idea what that is. It's sold out, so people like that. a lot the go-to crystal kit which is um something similar to what i i i got um the little bag of chakra magic with meditation and the reason why i'm talking about these look at that little bag of chakra magic look at that how lovely those are and also little bag of self-love magic i just think these would be gorgeous gifts um the little bag of chakra magic goes from 10 pounds self-love love magic from£29, little bag of calling, calling in love magic.

23:03Davina McCall: But they are, I mean, even if you just go to this page and look at them. So she sent me basically a a little kit and I absolutely love it. There's something so gorgeous about the feel of them. They're just so feely, touchy. Wait, what? You are Taurus, aren't you? Hang on, let me go. Let me find you your Taurus kit. Taurus, there, that's you.

23:33Michael Douglas: Oh, yeah, great.

23:34Davina McCall: Rose quartz, grounded, sensual and steady. Steady. Oh, my God, that's you. What am I? Very, very sexy and hot. Hang on, let me find. Okay, I am balanced, diplomatic, heart lead. Oh my god, that's actually me. Where's the sexy bit though?

23:54Michael Douglas: Yeah, I'll add an extra stone. Yeah, add an extra

23:57Davina McCall: stone. But you know, those kits are£15.

24:01Michael Douglas: But I think they're a really

24:03Davina McCall: nice present for somebody who's a little bit spiritual or that way inclined.

24:08Michael Douglas: My dad and step mum bought me some chakra stones, like the seven chakra stones. Yeah, we've got to

24:13Davina McCall: play with those. Yeah, we do.

24:14Michael Douglas: I've got a little pamphlet and then the stones are going to get you to lie down I guess I do some kind of ceremony put them on your body and then say activate these bits don't activate that bit

24:29Davina McCall: for the love of god don't activate that bit

24:32Michael Douglas: just leave that one with all these ones down here and get them going so yes I do like the whole crystal thing what I'd like to do with these crystals I wonder if you could drill a hole in them and put them on some beads

24:43Davina McCall: oh yeah

24:44Michael Douglas: I'd quite like them

24:45Davina McCall: I wonder if they'd break.

24:46Michael Douglas: I'd like to make my own beads.

24:48Davina McCall: There must be some that are soft and some that...

24:52Michael Douglas: Yeah, just they're really brittle. Yeah. Yeah, very nice.

24:56Davina McCall: They're so pretty. There's a grief, heartbreak and emotional support kit as well.

25:01Michael Douglas: Yeah. A what? An emotional support kit?

25:03Davina McCall: A grief and heartbreak support kit. Ah, is there? Yeah. That's nice.

25:07Michael Douglas: It's very nice. So I decided I would do a podcast. I've been asked to do a podcast many times by this particular podcast guy called Dom Lehane. And he has a podcast in the hairdressing industry called How to Cut It in the hairdressing industry.

25:23Davina McCall: Oh, yes. This is good, Michael. It was good.

25:26Michael Douglas: So he's done about 369 episodes. I'm the 369th episode. But he's been asking me for the last maybe three or four years to say, look, can I do an interview with you for the podcast? I've just never really wanted to do that yet. but I decided a week or so ago that he asked now's the time now's the time probably to start talking you know so if you're interested at all in my journey to 50, one of my 52 year old Michael then I kind of do this across it's almost a two hour podcast wow it was a nice

26:00Davina McCall: I've got to listen to it yeah yeah it's good

26:02Michael Douglas: it was a nice way of just getting a few things off my chest I think about, you know, how I ended up, where I've ended up, and the decisions I made, how much...

26:12Davina McCall: Did you talk about how you started in hair?

26:16Michael Douglas: I did, yeah, yeah.

26:18Davina McCall: Yeah, and all the people that you worked with, and Gary and...

26:20Michael Douglas: Yeah, Gary Spencer's in there, Philhoff's in there, David Thomas is in there, moving to London's in there.

26:26Davina McCall: A big Addy and little Addy in there.

26:27Michael Douglas: No, I mean, I don't have time to fill all that in, so... But, you know, all my lung collapsing and my dying in hospitals in there, and how I ended up moving to London and then what happened when I got there and then how I ended up here. So if you're interested at all in that, it's called, let me just find it on Spotify again so you know, I'll put it in the links.

26:50Davina McCall: Oh, that's a good idea. Yeah.

26:54Michael Douglas: Yeah, I'm not going to, but it's called How to Cut It in Hairdressing with Dom Lahane and it's episode 369. But, you know, it's an interesting listen, I think. I've never done this thing before where I've done a podcast or something like that and then listened back to it. I don't think I've ever listened back to an episode of this, for instance.

27:14Davina McCall: No, I haven't either.

27:15Michael Douglas: So if you press on that, there you go, Michael Douglas. Finding my true self, it's called. I'm not sure I've found that yet, but I'm on the journey to finding it.

27:28Davina McCall: I think you did. You found yourself last year.

27:31Michael Douglas: Yes, I did really. I watched it happen. I burst into being last year.

27:36Davina McCall: You did.

27:36Michael Douglas: It was very, very funny. But anyway, I'll post that up on here. But I did have a little listen the last couple of nights while I was in the gym. I just thought, oh, I can't quite remember what I said. And I thought, oh, yeah, it's quite interesting. There's some interesting things in here that I think might be helpful to other people. Oh, good. Give that a whirl. And then the other thing. I've got something as well. Yeah, go on.

28:00Davina McCall: In a minute. No, you go.

28:01Michael Douglas: I've started to buy from co-op around the corner from the studio a box of fab lollies. Now I like a little bit of pudding with lunch, you know, so if I have fish and chips with me lunch or a sandwich or some soup or something like that, I'm always like, what should I have for lunch? I try and have an orange every day, a fresh orange, and then I ended up buying a little box of six fab lollies, which are extremely nostalgic. So I eat about three of these a week. so if you're looking for a little lolly for you and the kids to sit in the garden with you know on that sunny day then I'm recommending the fab the fab lolly they come in a box of six and only about four quid or some of that, not even particularly expensive but I'm really really enjoying them and then my other favourite lunch at the moment that I'm eating with my son is the Honest Burger, I think Honest Burgers are my favourite burgers and I'll tell you what's good about the Honest Burger they do a double smash burger with fries and then you can buy three chicken wings but they also do a smoked bacon gravy now I don't know any other burger joints that do a bacon gravy but oh my god I absolutely love it so we have that once a week it could be an honest burger day today actually that'd be good yeah so okay I just want to talk about Hayley Menzies a couple of shout outs

29:26Davina McCall: so very quickly Hayley Menzies Now, this is a site that is a little bit more expensive, but you do get what you pay for. Hayley Menzies is very sort of high quality knitwear. We've got bold and really stunning dresses. It's quite different clothing. It's for people who want to express themselves. there's huge cardigans yeah but kind of eclectic very eclectic looks lots of animal prints tie dye the tracksuits are absolutely amazing I've got one of the blue tracksuit but it's also got just the most fantastic beading sewn onto it it's like an embellished it's an embellished sort of tracksuit it's got lovely knitwear but it's quite expensive it's in the hundreds of pounds but it's hayleymenzies.com and it's got things like it's sustainable so Hayley has basically been kind of a big part of the rave scene she had a nightlife business she did yoga training in Thailand she's done it all she set up a stall in Portobello Market selling a sort of very very small range of kind of extremely special pieces made by people in Asia who she met up with but look at these Cardis here they're kind of like just above the knee gorgeous kind of Cardis that look brilliant worn on their own actually

31:12Michael Douglas: I might get one

31:13Davina McCall: yeah I mean we should both get one let's both get one again I really like her because she's just different. Nothing that she makes looks like anything else that you would ever own. The materials that she used, the patterns that she uses, all of them are extraordinary and unique and you're not going to see many other people in Hayley Menzies. The other really good thing is she's also got on her website an outlet section. The Outlook section is all at least kind of half price, which is brilliant. And it's got the kind of long cardies on and the beaded, embellished things. So Hayley Menzies, really unique, very, very cool clothing that is extremely...

32:06Davina McCall: Oh, that's nice. Yeah, that's gorgeous. Extremely, extremely high quality clothing. and that is HayleyMenzies.com Very good. Are you very excited now?

32:19Michael Douglas: I am, yeah, yeah. Look at you. I know, I love finding new stuff.

32:22Davina McCall: It's amazing, isn't it?

32:24Michael Douglas: Yeah.

32:24Davina McCall: I also love the Written in the Stars bomber jacket and cream.

32:27Michael Douglas: Yeah, can I just do a little spontaneous recommendation? Yes. Written in the Stars, I think, is a great little phrase. Yes. Paul Weller has a song called Written in the Stars.

32:36Davina McCall: Yes.

32:36Michael Douglas: Which I'm going to recommend right now. Oh, great. Really kind of unlike anything he's made before. It's quite a peculiar song and it's got slightly different time signatures in it.

32:49Davina McCall: Is it? It's probably about 15 years old.

32:51Michael Douglas: Oh, it's old? Yeah, so it's an oldish one. I'm just going to briefly play a little bit of it now because you'll be like, yeah. It's slightly jarring, but it's a really cool song. And I think it's on an album called Illumination. It's a great song. The video's also really good for it.

33:10Davina McCall: Oh, I love this song.

33:16Michael Douglas: It's got like a... Oh, I love this song. Yeah, it's so cool. It's so happy.

33:21Davina McCall: Oh God, he's so good, isn't he? Yeah, he's great.

33:24Michael Douglas: But wait until the chorus thing comes up.

33:51Here we are.

33:59Michael Douglas: Here it goes.

34:05Davina McCall: Oh my God, this is so good.

34:08Michael Douglas: So cool. And then it comes out and results. I haven't heard this for ages.

34:17Davina McCall: Oh my God, it's great, isn't it?

34:20Michael Douglas: Absolute banger, you know. That whole album is really good, by the way. It's called Illumination. And I met him around there for the first time.

34:28Davina McCall: We talk about Chris Martin and Paul Weller so much that I feel like I know them both really well.

34:35Michael Douglas: I hadn't realised how spiritual Paul Weller was. It was only recently that's where he cracked me open about how uncertain yet certain he is. He's the funny paradox of love and worry. It's so cool. Anyway, let's do some shout-outs.

34:49Davina McCall: Can I just say, I love the fact that you just casually drop in like the most amazing thing. You've just blown my mind with he's a paradox of love and worry. Yeah. That's amazing, that. Mm, yeah. Because it is both those things.

35:08Michael Douglas: I think all artists are slightly trapped somewhere between those two things.

35:11Davina McCall: But love is a paradox of love and worry. If you really, really love someone, there's always...

35:18Michael Douglas: Yeah, there's that worry that it's... It's tinged with fear. Has to be tinged with vulnerability, I think, love. you just can't have it you know I was one of the interesting things about the podcast I did is you get a chance to just kind of say unpick things yeah that you wouldn't normally get a chance to say and then it goes out there and people comment on it and then you get a chance to formulate the thought but it was

35:38Davina McCall: well you can only formulate the thought once you've said it yes you can

35:41Michael Douglas: you can't think without speaking you know so I was going to say something I can't even remember what it is now you love me yeah there was that that was something else about this uncertainty

35:52Davina McCall: Can I just say about Lauren Levan quickly on Scamp and Dude, which I didn't say at the time, that what happens is for every super scarf that's sold, a bit like with the teddy bears, they will donate another woman starting chemotherapy, a soft touch of comfort from us to her. So if you buy a scarf, you're also buying a scarf for another woman starting chemotherapy.

36:20Michael Douglas: Yeah, brilliant. So good. Which just feeds into what I was saying in a way, which is that uncertainty is the necessary part of love and hope. Without uncertainty, if everything was certain, there'd be no need for hope and the possibilities of things being greater than you could imagine.

36:40Davina McCall: I think the beautiful thing about love is that it is uncertain and that's what makes you work at it. That's what makes you keep it alive. Because it matters. but it's not it's not certain yeah

36:56Michael Douglas: you crave certainty but if you got it what's the point

37:00Davina McCall: well also you wouldn't appreciate love in any way because it was just given

37:05Michael Douglas: it's all the doubt you know it's interesting that okay let's have a little chat so Davina

37:12Davina McCall: Davinia

37:12Michael Douglas: Davinia Gomez I think it is or Gomes who's messages a lot hey just catching up on the podcast Erin Doherty or Doherty is in A Thousand Blows also starring Stephen Graham and that's on Disney Plus I think we talked about her and she's also posting this thing that Martin Freeman is on Step the Fifth which is on at the Soho Place Theatre which I keep walking past on the way to the Tube I love Martin Freeman and I keep seeing that and the fact that you've mentioned it might mean that I have to go and get some tickets for it Joe Wiley's just interviewed Paul Weller on Radio 2 so you can go on to BBC Sounds.

37:52Davina McCall: Oh my God, Davinia, thank you.

37:53Michael Douglas: Yeah, thanks so much. Ruler of London posted something for us, but we've missed it. So Ruler of London, if you can repost that, I will repost that on Making the Cut. So thanks very much for that. Let's have a look. We've got the menopause.

38:05Davina McCall: Oh, yes, that's our friend.

38:08Michael Douglas: Yeah. So she has booked tickets, I think, for the Ministry of Sound. Oh, great. At the Royal Albert Hall. Dan Malate to the Partney, thanks for the Heads Up Making the Cut podcast. If anyone has any spares or knows of anyone who has tickets but can't go, please let me know. Desperate to go. So it looks like it's been sold out. Yeah, it's sold out of all the dates, 12th, 13th of June. Cathy, sorry about that. But me and my HRT is trying to get tickets. So yeah, let's have a little look at that. Oh, the Little Beach Retreat. That's good. They've talked to us a few times. So let's have a look and say, hey guys, just listened to the latest podcast and thought I'd add a little recommendation for you.

38:43Michael Douglas: For music, as you are talking about that today, we have just had the annual Soul Festival in Margate. And it was absolutely buzzing again, as it always is. I've been running stories of the weekend on my page, but they may have gone now. So if you... Sorry, if they have, I'm going to send you the page for that actual event, Deathworth to shout about. Oh, that sounds great. It does sound good, doesn't it? So it's like the Soul Festival in Margate. I love Margate. I love Margate. I'd love to...

39:12Davina McCall: Let's follow that. Margate Soul Festival. Yeah. If you look that up on Instagram. and give them a follow

39:21Michael Douglas: oh my god it looks fantastic yeah let's try and go next year what a weekend it's just finished little beach retreat thank you so much

39:32Davina McCall: thanks Cathy that's great

39:36Michael Douglas: ok yeah I think that's about it for shout outs

39:38Davina McCall: do you know who else lives there Sam Talks Sex

39:42Michael Douglas: oh really

39:43Davina McCall: I think she's moved to Margate

39:44Michael Douglas: and Patsy follows them as well Sorry, I've just flicked on to MD London here. And this is the stuff when we went out on the street and just told people how good they looked.

39:55Davina McCall: Oh, what, you and me?

39:56Michael Douglas: This one's just me, and then me and you go out, I think, in next week's posts.

40:00Davina McCall: Oh, great.

40:01Michael Douglas: Yeah. Yeah, great. OK, folks, I've got to go to work. Oh, that looks fun. Yeah, yeah. I've got all my favourite outfits on as well. Very nice. Yeah, thanks.

40:10Davina McCall: And that necklace is my favourite. It's good and that, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, great. So nice. Is that the Ibiza one? so good

40:20Michael Douglas: okay have a great weekend we love you we'll speak to you next week bye

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