SERIES 15: Episode 3 - Simpler, Paddington Basin, Lazy Lanyards, Katie Piper, Rated Modern Art

0:05Michael Douglas: Hello ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Making the Cut. I'm still typing. Yeah, she's still doing a bit of prep, but we're in a bit of a rush because we're going away. We're going to the Soho farmhouse. We can say that because... Yes, we can.

0:16Davina McCall: This doesn't come out till Friday.

0:17Michael Douglas: If it's because out Friday, we'll be home by then, just in case any stalkers want to turn up there and we're like... We're going to a private event there, which is like a business thing isn't it you go to every year anyway

0:31Davina McCall: and they very kindly gave you a plus one

0:33Michael Douglas: because I'm in business it's quite handy for me you are a founder it's a business for founders but for very successful founders

0:44Davina McCall: but you are a fledgling founder who is going to be massive in three or four years so yeah

0:51Michael Douglas: it's mainly for very highfalutin founders so one of the guests is the guy who owns Spotify did you know that Yes. It's quite mega, isn't it? Yeah, it's really good. So there's lots of guest speakers and stuff like that. Anyway, we're getting picked up very soon. So we thought, let's smash this podcast.

1:04Davina McCall: Smash it.

1:05Michael Douglas: Out of the park before we go. I've got loads of good things to talk about, but the first thing I want to talk about... Yes, go on. ...is, can you see my beard?

1:12Davina McCall: Yes.

1:12Michael Douglas: See how grey it is?

1:13Davina McCall: Yes.

1:14Michael Douglas: I'm going to colour it right now.

1:16Davina McCall: With a new thing?

1:17Michael Douglas: Using the colour that I use. You've never seen this before, I don't think. Now, but we need to talk about this for about a year. So if you've got husbands or there's fellas listening to this, or there's any ladies out there with grey beards. Or grey pubes. Or grey pubes, yeah.

1:28Davina McCall: As you know, you shouldn't use it on your pubes. I take that back. Yeah, probably doesn't say that. Yeah, yeah.

1:33Michael Douglas: Did you know that beard hair is pubic hair?

1:37Davina McCall: But it's on your bit? Yeah, I mean, this hair here is pubes. I have no idea. It's pubic hair. I have no idea.

1:42Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah. It's the same hair that you have under your arms or around your bits and pieces, you know.

1:46Davina McCall: Yeah.

1:47Michael Douglas: It's quite interesting, isn't it? Yeah. I said this on This Morning once with Philip and Holly back in the day and they all burst out laughing. They went, don't be so ridiculous. And I was like, it's true. Philip, it is pubic hair. That's what it is, you know. And he was like, really?

2:00Davina McCall: Why do people even know this? I'd rather they called our pubic hair beard hair. So that's beard hair and that's minge hair. Do you know, you're like, minge is having a comeback. I've heard so many women online talking about their minges. It's a hashtag. Richard E. Grant, we were discussing my mother flashing people naked in Paris. and he went, oh, Davina, put the minge away, like talking about my mother. Yeah. And he used it and you've just used it. Everybody's talking about the minge. I don't mind the word the minge.

2:32Michael Douglas: Such a good word. I love it. It really conjures up exactly what it is.

2:35Davina McCall: I've reclaimed my minge.

2:37Michael Douglas: Yeah, have you? I bring it on. Oh, yeah. It's yours again.

2:39Davina McCall: I really like that word.

2:40Michael Douglas: Great, let's use it more. Let's use it. So I'm going to colour me face minge with a simpler, essentially what I was doing to colour my beard, which I did on an Instagram post as a bit of a joke once.

2:53Davina McCall: You were using my colour.

2:54Michael Douglas: I was just using Garnier Nutrice No. 5. Which worked really well. It did actually work very well. No. 5 is a bit dark for me because I'm actually a No. 6, but we don't have boxes No. 6. So anyway, this thing kept coming up my website or Instagram or whatever. It's called Simpler, S-I-M-P-L-E-R. And it comes in an aerosol can.

3:12Davina McCall: Right.

3:13Michael Douglas: But watch this, right? So I'm going to spray it out onto this plate, right? So it's pre-mixed. There's peroxide, cream peroxide in there. Now the problem with peroxide is it oxidises. So as soon as it comes out, it starts activating. Yes. And that's why you mix two things together when you make permanent hair dye. Once it's mixed together, it's got about half an hour of activity and then it stops working, right? So I'm always like, for beard hair, you've got to mix all this and mix all that. Look at this. It comes in one can. There's two holes in the thing there.

3:40Davina McCall: Oh, so there's two lots of...

3:43Michael Douglas: I'm going to video this so I can show it to people.

3:45Davina McCall: This is really interesting.

3:46Michael Douglas: Now I'm not paid by these people or anything like that. This is just what I bought and used. And then I bumped into Joel Domet the other day and he said, do you use simpler? And I was like, do you use simpler? He's like, yeah, that's what I used to do. So a lot of people use this. You can subscribe and it sends it to you. It's for men essentially and their beards. So I would still definitely use a little bit of whatever I'm using on your hair. But this is a little backup. When I get to work sometimes and think, you know, I'm feeling a bit run down today and a bit fed up. And I look at my grey beard and I think I'm going to get rid of it.

4:16Michael Douglas: This is what I use. Okay, so watch, right?

4:20Michael Douglas: so you've got some white stuff in there and then some brown stuff and then you literally mix it together and then you just stick it on your beard and leave it for half an hour now this is light brown this one so just go like that it's quite good isn't it and I thought by the time this podcast is finished it'll be done and then I'll just wipe it off

4:43Davina McCall: and you've used that before?

4:45Michael Douglas: I've been using this for about a year and a half ever since I did that post where I coloured my beard and then it grew through and I was like oh I look like 10 years older all of a sudden yeah I'm just going to stick this on so I do a bit of that saturate all the gray bits I don't do any other than other than this bit and then bingo that's me done bingo bonga done half an hour later I get a little bit of hand soap or something just wash it off wipe it off bingo half an hour yeah it's just half an hour I sometimes leave it 45 minutes it won't really do much after that because the peroxide oxidizes and that's the end of that now I'm not recommending this to you because you're the garnier girl you've got your hair color absolutely it's sorted i i know what i'm doing and i like what i know yeah and it works really well yes i mean but this is i'm recommending this for the ladies out there who would like their husbands to have less gray in their beards yes that's the idea uh okay so we'll leave that to cook for a while what have you got for me um so i would like to talk to you about somewhere i walked the other day and I am aware that we often post things that cost money and I thought, wow, this place is absolutely gorgeous and I live in London.

5:53How did I not know that Paddington Basin exists?

5:59Michael Douglas: Is this part of the Grand Union Canal? Yes. Yeah, okay, great, yeah. So I came out of Paddington the other day and I needed to... When you say Paddington. I mean Paddington Basin, not Paddington Bear. Yeah, okay, just double-checking. People back go, hmm. And what was really interesting was I walked out of the station and I was walking to the place where I was going to be working. And I thought, God, this is the most... I even took two photographs, do you remember? And I sent them to you because I wanted to show you how beautiful it was. It was a lovely sunny day. But the incredible thing is Paddington Basin is just an area by the Grand Union Canal.

6:39and lots of walkways, lots of lovely restaurants, lots of brilliant restaurants on canal boats, places where you can work out, get active. But the boats were the most fun, like eating on a kind of canal boat. You can like rent a whole one. You could go for a trip down the canal while you're eating. You can go from A to B and have a meal while you're going. It's like, I mean, I love the water.

7:07Michael Douglas: Yeah, me too. I find it so peaceful. I was thinking how interesting it is there are lots of houseboats and stuff down there as well and I guess does that hook into Little Venice as well? It does, it's like a houseboat area Yeah, so my brother lives on a boat It's stunning On the Grand Union Canal Isn't it? Yeah, Jack lives there

7:25Davina McCall: Oh, does he? I might have walked past his boat

7:27Michael Douglas: I have no doubt about that

7:28Davina McCall: Oh God, I wish I'd known where he was I would have knocked and said hi Do you know what?

7:32Michael Douglas: There's a thing about living on the Grand Union Canal so you can either get a permanent fixture which is like buying a house where you can park your boat or you can get this other type of mooring thing. We have to move your boat every two weeks so they get fined. So you can't stay in one spot for longer than two weeks. So he often has to find himself, if he's working away, getting somebody to move his boat for him, you know, further down to Camden or up to Brentford or, you know, wherever it is. So there's quite a few different places you can moor your boat. But he loves that kind of life.

8:04Davina McCall: I mean, it is gorgeous. It is. I mean, when it's nice weather, It's amazing. Yeah, so the houseboat idea, you know, of that idea of being able to go wherever you want and go and find somewhere else that you want to maw your boat. Yeah. I really like Bear Grylls used to live on a houseboat. I don't know if he doesn't anymore.

8:22Michael Douglas: I think he, was it Little Venice? It was somewhere around there because I remember I knew somebody who used to spend a bit of time on that. When I used to work at Models One, Chelsea Harbour, there were places along there as well. That's all connected. I mean, it's unbelievable. So I lived not far from Watford for a long time. And the canal goes all the way up there. So I met Jack once in Watford. Oh, my God. How brilliant. It's such an amazing network out there. I do love houseboats and all that. Yeah, it's really... Have you ever done a barge holiday? No. Can I tell you something? Can I do one?

8:53Yes.

8:53Michael Douglas: Okay. With you? Yeah, yeah. I would absolutely love to. Absolutely brilliant. Do you know what's funny? I want to do everything with you. All the things. Yeah. Because we've got some friends who live on the Thames, on one of those islands. Yes. Neil and... Yeah. We could hire a boat and go and visit them. Oh my God, it would be so good. It's really good fun. Let's do it. I'm going to price one up. Okay, amazing. And then we can talk about it here. Great. Okay. So Paddington Basin, look up online, look up the Grand Union, Paddington, and there's loads of events. There's lots of kind of hidden gems that they're talking to you about.

9:30You can find out where to get food and drink. but just if you walk along you will find somewhere that you can stop off and have a meal at but there's loads of things happening there so look it up fun place to go with the kids in the summer fun place to go with someone you love and hang out because it is so pretty and romantic so yes Paddington Basin it's something for free people

9:52Michael Douglas: amazing okay now someone got in touch with me this week on MD London you know they bought a product or whatever it was and then they got in touch and they said look you know could you have a little look at a product that I make and I was like yeah sure you know like I'm always looking for new things to talk about and things that I'm interested in or whatever it is anyway she was super nice and she sent me this message it's hi my name's Laura thanks so much for following me it means a lot I'm a small business trying to get my product out there and it's been a year in the making and I'm hoping I can get photos and videos this summer ready to go hell for leather next year so she's in the preps all right now we are going to quite a lot of festivals this year me and you we're obviously going to our fancy one in Europe were going to Glastonbury this year for the first time.

10:35Michael Douglas: You've been in the past.

10:36Davina McCall: I've worked there.

10:37Michael Douglas: Have you? But I've never been to actually...

10:39Davina McCall: Well, it's not even raving. It's just I've never seen any gigs or anything because I've just been working non-stop. So actually, the idea of actually going to see someone play is so exciting.

10:49Michael Douglas: So Lazy Lanyard, maybe you could send us a couple of these for next week, but it's a lanyard that if you're a bit lazy, because, you know, you're a bit hungover, like I might be at Glastonbury, you can get yourself a Lazy Lanyard, right? so I'm going to show you what it is. Here's her post. Now, it's a lanyard. You get them all different colours and checkerboards. For starters, they look really nice. But look what they do.

11:10Davina McCall: Oh.

11:12Michael Douglas: So. You like that? So you can go on Lazy Lanyard on Instagram. Hello. A lager in that one. Oh, my God. They're good, aren't they? Look at that one.

11:27Davina McCall: Oh, my God. It's not just for festivals. It's anything. Anything.

11:30Michael Douglas: So basically it's a lanyard that goes around your neck that you could clip your access all areas pass on or laminate on or whatever. But it's actually a cup holder.

11:38Davina McCall: Or a tinny holder.

11:40Michael Douglas: Or a can holder or a coffee cup holder. Yeah. But it means you can free up your hands. So if you're, you know, mooching about and you want to free up your hands, you actually put it in a little holder in the lanyard and it props up against your chest.

11:51Davina McCall: Holding a drink is a pain in the arse.

11:52Michael Douglas: It's a massive pain in the arse, isn't it?

11:54Davina McCall: And everybody's knocking you in.

11:55Michael Douglas: Now, I've literally no idea how much these are. We can have a little look on the website, maybe. Lazylanyard.co.uk. That's really funny. It's a good recommendation, this, isn't it? I love that. And there's a lot of girls here in theirs, and they've all got coffee cups in them. So they're not just for boozers. There was the price there. Oh, did you? Let me have a little look. Okay, oh, you buy a pack of them. £20. £20 for a four-pack, I think that is. Yeah, a four-pack. And that's got some kind of ethereal, mystical, lanyard-y effect on it. But that's really good, isn't it? I'm going to buy four of these.

12:28Davina McCall: Yes.

12:29Michael Douglas: Me, you, Peter and Emma can have them at Glastonbury. And then you can put Diet Coke in it. Great. And I can put Mezcal in it.

12:36Davina McCall: Yeah. Coke Zero, actually. I've got to say, I prefer Coke Zero to Diet Coke. And I can tell the difference. If I was going to do a blind taste test, I can tell the difference.

12:43Michael Douglas: I had a full fat Coke recently. It was horrible.

12:46Davina McCall: Yeah, it's mad, isn't it?

12:47Michael Douglas: It's amazing how Coke Zero is the Coke.

12:49Davina McCall: It's the Coke.

12:49Michael Douglas: They need to redo the advertising.

12:51Davina McCall: Yep.

12:52Michael Douglas: The real thing.

12:53Davina McCall: The real thing.

12:53Michael Douglas: Happens to be Coke Zero.

12:54Davina McCall: Yeah.

12:55Michael Douglas: Yeah.

12:55Davina McCall: I agree.

12:56Michael Douglas: So thanks, Lazy Lanyard, for getting in touch. And it's an absolute treat.

12:59Davina McCall: Can I just ask anybody that's listening to this? Yeah. If you see Tim Spector in the next week before the next podcast comes on, please don't tell him I said that about Coke Zero.

13:14Michael Douglas: Oh, okay. Pretend him I was talking about kombucha. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

13:19Davina McCall: Okay. Yeah.

13:23so I'd like to talk about Katie Piper who has been on Begin Again and she's we've been promoting her all week and her book came out this week and I just want to say firstly if you haven't listened to Katie Piper on Begin Again please go and listen to it that woman you work with her

13:41Davina McCall: every week you know oh yeah yeah I mean I'm gonna get emotional talking about her she is like an absolutely but she's not just a miracle she's she's got such a good heart after everything that she's been through she's not a victim she is not she is she's so strong I I just really I have like just the utmost respect for her but what I try and do every time before somebody comes on if they've written a book or they've done I do try and read most of the book if I can or or listen to it or I try and absorb it anyway she's written a book called still beautiful please everybody get this book it is literally one of those books where I was reading it and I've been turning over page after page it is a get a highlighter pen and highlight some notes yeah she has done sort of sayings or quotes on single pages it's very easy to access it's easy to read it is a book that is important for us to read it is about age and beauty but it's it's way more than that it is how to live a beautiful full life as well and please I can't recommend it high enough and it isn't for somebody who's been through a trauma or anything like that it is just that she because of what she's been through she is so flipping wise and she's, this is a really, really good book.

15:08I'm going to, I'm going to reckon. What's it called? Oh, sorry. Still Beautiful.

15:13Michael Douglas: Still Beautiful. Still Beautiful. Can I recommend two more books very quickly? Of course you can, yeah. So Donna Ashworth has written a fantastic book. Another one. And you've ever since the last one. So this is for kids. So I have bought four copies of this book for Venus, Elektra, Tess, you know, all the young kids that I know because it's amazing introducing a kid to poetry. Poetry is one of those things that it works for kids because things make sense when something rhymes with something and there's a rhythm to it. But what she's done is she's written a series of uplifting and beautiful poems for children.

15:47And they are uplifting. This is what's so lovely about it. And there's something rather comforting when children read something positive. We're surrounded by so much danger and fear at the moment and uncertainty. And they pick things up everywhere. This is Donna Ashworth, peak Donna Ashworth, where she is talking and calming and assuring via poetry. I mean, I love this woman. She needs to... Yeah, me too. Brilliant. And can I just say, I do think that Dame Donna Ashworth...

16:21Michael Douglas: Has got a good ring to it. Has got a really good ring to it. And finally, another woman who deserves a Damehood is Kate Muir. She is a journalist. I've worked with her loads in the Menno sphere. She worked with me on my docs and she has written a really, really good book called How to Have a Magnificent Midlife Crisis. I love that title. The idea that we can have a crisis, but it'll be a really fucking good one. And basically, the idea is it's an empowering guide. But what I really, really love about Kate Muir is she goes literally forensic on scientific research. Yes. So she's backed that up with a bit of personal experience, but also brilliant stories from other women.

17:06So those are my three book recommendations. Well done.

17:10Michael Douglas: I have a book recommendation actually coming at some point, yes. But I haven't read it yet. Oh, okay. Peter bought it for me for my birthday. Oh, yeah. It's called Falling Upwards.

17:18Davina McCall: Oh, yeah. I love that title.

17:21Michael Douglas: and the premise I think generally is when you get to the second half of your life there's a sense there's a sense that your life is going downwards yes exactly you know actually your best days are behind you yes but the idea is it's all the things that you've learned all the experiences you've had of the first part of your life are about to feed into all the magnificence of your second part of

17:42Davina McCall: your life actually you fall can I read that after you yeah you actually fall upwards not downwards Oh my God, how nice.

17:48Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah. So I'm looking forward to that. But I'll have a read of it first before I do any other bits and pieces on that. I did have...

17:56Davina McCall: Can we talk about BFA quickly?

17:58Michael Douglas: Yeah, go for it.

17:58Davina McCall: Yeah, yeah. Universe. Yes. Michael and I went out for the opening of our friend's night. It's called Elrow, E-L-R-O-W. It is a really, really good, fun, crazy night.

18:10Michael Douglas: I think we recommended it probably when we went a couple of years ago.

18:13Davina McCall: It's absolutely mega. It was Chester's first ever club. Yeah. When he turned 18. that just had the best night of his life, I think.

18:18Michael Douglas: It was originally Amnesia, which actually had a grotty vibe to it. You know, it was held together with a scuffling. It was kind of like good grotty. It was super cool. We enjoyed it. It felt very authentic.

18:27Davina McCall: But it's moved to universe, and by God, that universe is like... I mean, it's the most insane club I've ever been to. 9 ,000-person capacity.

18:35Michael Douglas: But they were saying they'll turn over that in a night, so you'll actually sell two tickets per person.

18:41Davina McCall: So you'll actually get more like 20 ,000 a night.

18:43Michael Douglas: Fuck. We'll pass through it, which is about two million quid on the door itself.

18:47Davina McCall: Oh my God.

18:47Michael Douglas: It's a money making machine, this thing. But yeah, it was really good. So you can go into Elro, I think on Instagram, you've just shown me a post. Look up Elro and it'll show you what Universe looks like. If you're going to a beaver this year, get yourself a ticket and just go for the night. You could actually just go for a couple of hours. I mean, I would massively recommend Elro as a night at Universe because it's what Universe is made for. These enormous theatrical moments. If you're going to go, go on a Saturday, which is the Elro night, which is mega. Yeah, yeah, it's good, isn't it? And then there's lots of other nights at Universe.

19:22Michael Douglas: Yes. Which look bonkers. Yes, David Guetta. David Guetta's doing Fridays, apparently. On Instagram as well. Yeah. Now, I've been meaning to talk about this for about a year and a half, and every year it's in my reminders list of things to talk about in the podcast. It always gets bumped, but it's an Instagram post called Rated Modern Art. They've got one million followers. And it's just loads of really great arty things. So let me show you this picture. here. Yeah.

19:45Davina McCall: Oh, wow.

19:47Michael Douglas: It's just an oil painting, that.

19:49Davina McCall: Oh, no. Wow.

19:50Michael Douglas: It's not a person assuming. Oh, my God, that is so good. Isn't it? Oh, my God, I'm following right now. Yeah, yeah. Rated modern art. Rated modern art. And then there's some bits of philosophy in there as well, and then other things. Look at that. A hummingbird flying next to a picture of a hummingbird. Did you see that? Yes. Absolutely nuts. Wow. And so, so beautiful, but there's also these nice bits of profound things up there so people have written things which says someday you will look back and know exactly why it had to happen um which i think is great i really like this idea that a platform

20:24Davina McCall: that is an international platform for artists and creators and it's not selling anything it's just just it's just celebration of the celebration of art like how lovely is that yeah it's great

20:37Michael Douglas: There's lots of bits of humour in there as well, but just some really nice bits of art. God, that's material that made to look like someone's body. Oh, that's so weird. But there's a really good one. I don't know if you've seen the one about the guy doughing his head. Let me show you. This one here.

20:58Michael Douglas: Overthinking visualised. Oh, fuck. Isn't that nuts? Oh, my God. So it's like somebody with their head on a thing, on a bench, while they knead it like bread, you know. That's so weird. But it's good, isn't it? Yeah. So anyway, have a little look at that. If you're looking for some kind of Instagram things, I often find with Instagram and with X, you can get stuck following the same people and you get stuck in the same drudgery of, you know, an algorithm where the platform thinks that that's what you want more of. And then you find yourself thinking, really not enjoying X or whatever it is. And then you start following a few different accounts.

21:32Michael Douglas: And all of a sudden you get into a new zone of things you can find really enjoyable, inspiring, really interesting. But Rated Modern Art's been a great one. I've loved it.

21:41Davina McCall: You and I have actually done a little bit of culling recently, culling accounts and culling negativity from our social media. And actually it's been really nice. Follow a couple of accounts that make you laugh or teach you something or a creative in some way and you'll be much happier with what's being fed to you, you know.

21:58Michael Douglas: Yes. So we went to a kind of product launch thing with Hannah Cooper-Domit, which is Joel Domit's wife, who we absolutely adore.

22:07Davina McCall: We love her.

22:08Michael Douglas: She's a kind of fashion model, influencer, presenter. They've got a great podcast together. Her and Joel called it I Have Never Ever. Yeah. It's a bit like that, isn't it, where they've never done something before and they go and experience it together. Anyway, she's done a collaboration with Posh Totty Designs. And it's called Wild, which is so sweet, which is her son's name.

22:27Davina McCall: Yeah, I know. That's great, isn't it? So lovely.

22:30Michael Douglas: And as a little free gift, we all got a little bit of jewellery. I got a really nice necklace with a horseshoe on it, which I wear all the time, which is super nice. Anyway, as I was there, I met this lady who she said, oh, you know, it's super nice to meet you. And she said, I listen to your podcast all the time. And she said, she's called Claire and she's a fashion stylist. So we'd slightly worked in the same business for quite a long time. and she said, look, I've set up this podcast and an Instagram site and I wonder if you'd be interested in looking at it or talking about it on your podcast.

23:00Michael Douglas: But it's called Tips for Your Tits and it's all about breast health.

23:06Davina McCall: Oh, great. That's good, isn't it? Yeah, it's so good.

23:08Michael Douglas: So it's all to do with things relating to that. So you can go follow them on Instagram and they've also got a podcast that is on Spotify called Tips for Your Tits Podcast where she interviews lots of people who I guess have had a series of issues or problems with breast health. Wow, that's so good. The big one obviously being breast cancer, but all the things that can happen to your boobs or your nipples or various infections and stuff like that. So it's all to do with that. And I thought, oh, well, this is a great thing to tell more people about essentially. So there's a podcast, there's the Instagram page and she's obviously trying to grow an audience.

23:42Michael Douglas: But if you're concerned at all about your own boob health or you've got a mum or a sister or a daughter or anything that's struggling with anything to do with around breast cancer and stuff like that. And this is an absolutely brilliantly rich source of information and conversation and support and love for anything to do with your boobs. Can I say thanks again? Oh, it's a pleasure.

24:04Davina McCall: For being an ally. You are so good at this.

24:07Michael Douglas: Well, thank you.

24:07Davina McCall: It means a lot, though, to all of us.

24:10Michael Douglas: There's a lot of women in my life.

24:11Davina McCall: Yeah, and we really, really, really appreciate it. Thank you.

24:14Michael Douglas: Well, I'd be lost without you all. Put it that way.

24:17Davina McCall: I'd be lost without you. Yeah, yeah, okay. so I thought

24:19Michael Douglas: oh it's a great opportunity for me to kind of use my voice to say something good thank you so much and the best of luck Claire you can follow Claire also on Instagram she's called Claire I think that is Ginzler or it could be Ginsler Ginsler G-I-N-Z-L-E-R but great work Claire and thanks for sharing that with me it's always really nice to have something to say about these issues on this podcast

24:44Davina McCall: yes great so we need to go we need to go I know that's a bit annoying. No, it's all right. I'm going to chivvy us along now because we've got to get in the car.

24:53Michael Douglas: Okay. Well, I had a couple of shout outs. I'll read one and you read one. How's that? Okay, perfect. So Joy was active yesterday. On Sunday, she said, love listening to the podcast. Heard Fridays this morning while walking. Mad Men. Well, I started watching because you mentioned it a few weeks ago and now I'm on season three and I am loving it. Oh, great. Joy, this is so good. It's great, isn't it? I love the era of the women's fashion and how things were back then. I was born in 1966 and they're currently in 1965 at the mall. Wow. But it said, thanks for the spoiler that Don and Betty get back together.

25:23Michael Douglas: Lol. Now, I think that might be cryptic. So I'm not going to say any more about that. I love how sincere you both are and natural on the podcast. You have a beautiful relationship. Well done. And it says, well done, Joel.

25:35Davina McCall: Yeah, because he got into. Oh, he got into it.

25:37Michael Douglas: And we talked about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well done, Joel. And thank you, Joy. I love that. Okay, let me find another one here. Oh, Naughty Rose. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Amanda Thompson. Anybody that hasn't tried it yet, we have recommended it before.

25:54Davina McCall: But Naughty AF is alcohol-free wine, sparklies, sort of champagne-type drinks, but without any alcohol. Naughty AF, which is N-O-U-G-H-T-Y, and AF stands for alcohol-free, is amazing. it's delicious we are never without it um and we tried it I tried it at a they sponsored one of my actual medical research things and what was really brilliant was I was like no I can't drink this it's alcohol and she went no it's alcohol free the person that was giving it to me and I said no I've just tasted it it's alcohol and she went no I made it yeah it's alcohol free and so I was like wow this is incredible um so you guys if if you fancy a drink but don't want to drink to drink

26:45Michael Douglas: it's a brilliant alternative but Amanda you have just said hey may we send you some naughty rosé yes perfect for the summer yes I've responded with just a massive yes yes I love a glass of

26:58Davina McCall: rosé with lots of ice in it I mean so as long as it's alcohol free yeah yeah so Amanda definitely

27:02Michael Douglas: send us that because we'll both sample that um and then uh hopefully really enjoy it yeah thank you so much okay we better dash i've got to wipe this stuff off my beard and then we're going to go we'll speak to you all again next friday lots of love sorry this is a short one but we'll make up for it i promise we will promise you bye