SERIES 15: Episode 4 - Zoe de Pass, Bernard Marr, The Lives of Others, Words Can Fly, Mevo Cameras

0:21Michael Douglas: I'm wearing absolutely banging underwear. yes well i can see through you've got a vest on yeah take a picture actually yeah

0:38Michael Douglas: i'm just gonna make noises

0:44Davina McCall: oh no no no

0:49Michael Douglas: it's got like a seat is that the vest isn't see through but the the underwear underneath it is so bright.

0:54Davina McCall: It's so neon.

0:55Michael Douglas: It's bursting out of your boob area.

0:58Davina McCall: It shows through the white vest.

1:01Michael Douglas: What colour would you call them shorts?

1:04Davina McCall: Pink. Hot pink.

1:07Michael Douglas: Yeah, hot pink. That's what she's wearing folks, that's what I'm having to deal with. My eyes are like a kaleidoscope of sauce.

1:17Michael Douglas: Like that? A little bit Alex Turner that, wasn't it? A kaleidoscope of sauce.

1:23Davina McCall: Like a tongue in the nostril, a kaleidoscope of sauce.

1:26Michael Douglas: What a lovely day. We've got a lovely view. Oh, God, it's been amazing. We're in the living room looking out to West London. Wow, God, look at that. It looks so nice.

1:35Davina McCall: I know, it's really, it's just what a great day.

1:37Michael Douglas: Only we recorded this on a video type thing. People could see what we could see. It's so lovely. How are you today?

1:44Davina McCall: Yes, you know what's interesting? I had kind of like a weird morning of like, oh, you know, I had lunch planned and then that didn't happen and I was like what am I doing and I got a delivery and I sat in here in a delivery and then I went to go and see a friend and it put me in a very very good mood yeah you went to see Dr Becky Dr Becky reaching out and seeing a friend is very healing should we recommend it yes I think getting in touch with people you know in order to make a friend you have to reveal something about yourself yeah and then in turn they usually reveal something about themselves and this is how trust and a friendship is forged and it's um a frightening thing making new friends but in the last four or five years you and i have made kind of quite a

2:36Michael Douglas: like good old group of new mates we have yes and um she's one of them yeah and she is and

2:42Davina McCall: it's been very nice getting to know her slowly over time and yeah I just had a very nice afternoon

2:50Michael Douglas: and it set me up for a great evening oh great that's really good I used to work for this guy called Paul Smith um many years ago when I was at 21 and he taught me this thing that he called Johari's window Johari's window was when you reveal yourself to someone and they reveal something back to you you know it's a psychological tool I guess is that you make yourself vulnerable and somebody does that back but that is kind of how friendship is formed really isn't it is that you expose yourself a little bit and um what they do with your vulnerability tells you something about them yes and then you know whether to kind of take any further yeah it's very interesting when you give somebody a little it's not olive branch as such but a little bit of yourself isn't it i think one

3:32Davina McCall: of the really really really big things i liked about this sort of group of women there's a gang of them is that they are just the least judgmental women I have ever met and I've never heard them say a bad thing about anybody anybody you know they will look for the good in everything and everyone if something has happened that was bad they will assess that and try and find the good in it like they are just wonderful women like two of them are clinical psychologists I wonder

4:04Michael Douglas: whether that has just raised the bar of behaviour within the group for everybody. For all of us.

4:11Davina McCall: Yeah, because there's men in this group as well,

4:14Michael Douglas: and they're all very gentle type men, despite being physically quite big, some of them.

4:19Davina McCall: Yes, that's really true.

4:20Michael Douglas: They're very delicate men.

4:23Davina McCall: So, open up to someone, let them in. That's our first recommendation, and see what happens.

4:30Michael Douglas: See what happens, yeah. Jump into the unknown. First of all, somebody sent me some sunglasses this week. And I was like, oh, nice. Yeah, what's up with that? First of all, look at the box they came in. So how did you angle that? Olivia came in today. Olivia's my PR lady. Olivia was the PR lady for making the cut.

4:48Davina McCall: Yeah. We really, really, really, really, really miss her.

4:51Michael Douglas: She said, oh, Zoe De Pass has sent you these sunglasses. I was like, what do you mean sent me some sunglasses? I'm going to look them up. And they opened them. Yeah, I was going to say, you look up below on the website because it's super nice. Zoe De Pass. They're based in Brighton, I think. And they look very Brighton, shall we just say.

5:08Davina McCall: What does that mean?

5:10Michael Douglas: Like happy, open and loving.

5:14Davina McCall: How's that for the people of Brighton? Zoe De Pass.

5:18Michael Douglas: De Pass, yeah. So she sent me these sunglasses and I was like, God, my missus is going to love this stuff. So have a look at the website.

5:24Davina McCall: Can I just tell you something? What? In my head, I thought, oh, who's that? What?

5:31Michael Douglas: My girlfriend.

5:32Davina McCall: No, you said your missus. My missus is going to love this. And I was like, oh, who's that? I literally, literally did think that because I know I'm not. That's not me.

5:41Michael Douglas: You're not my missus. You are my missus.

5:43Davina McCall: No, I know, but I'm not literally. I understand. You know what I mean.

5:47Michael Douglas: Anyway, she sent me these. I'm going to put them on.

5:49Davina McCall: Oh, I see. Welcome to the Brights. Oh, my God, they're good. Oh, yeah, they're great.

5:55Michael Douglas: All right, aren't they?

5:56Davina McCall: Oh, my God.

5:56Michael Douglas: She sent me green because she knows I'm a green kind of guy.

5:58Davina McCall: She knows you love green. Oh, they're great.

6:00Michael Douglas: But look how big some of them are, the big ones. I have to say her face, ladies and gentlemen Suits a big Glasses

6:09Davina McCall: I need a big But look at these What colour are they?

6:15Michael Douglas: Hot pink

6:16Davina McCall: Pink

6:19Michael Douglas: So go and have a look ladies and gentlemen Zoe De Pass, what is the website called?

6:23Davina McCall: The website is Zoe De Pass So it's Z-O-E-D-E-P-A-S-S Dot com and the sunglasses are around 110 pounds a pair proper cool though they're really yeah they are very very good the lenses look very good they've got blue lenses that fade they've got um all different colored lenses some very dark ones some blue ones some really really fun colors fantastic shapes very big sunglasses which is great for me and also some um kind of more normal sized sunglasses so that's good for everybody so that's great.

7:01Michael Douglas: Thank you Zoe

7:03Davina McCall: that is a very very good shout.

7:06Michael Douglas: Zoe had a lot of experience in branding and fashion and product design and I think she was a big influencer called Dress Like a Mum. She put on lots of events and designed, did lots of collaborations but has settled on eyewear as her thing. It's nice that isn't it I think once in your kind of 30s or mid 30s 40s where you're just basically doing a bit of everything if you're a branding expert you could brand like potatoes or you could brand biscuits or you can brand clothes or rings or anything and then somewhere down the line you land on something that you love and you think okay all my expertise and everything I know about branding I'm going to put in one thing what's it going to be what would be your one thing lingerie wouldn't it I've got to say

7:49Davina McCall: that what she's done is very clever because what she's done first is build an audience

7:54Michael Douglas: Yeah, okay.

7:55Davina McCall: So build an audience, find the audience. Find out what they want. Make the thing they want.

8:01Michael Douglas: Bloody nice though, aren't they? They are very nice.

8:03Davina McCall: I was just going to say, very good quality. Congratulations. Look at the finish on the tip of the... Yes, the thing. I mean, even that is just really, really nice. It's good, isn't it? Very, very good.

8:12Michael Douglas: Well done. Congratulations. These ones are sold out. Lovely glasses.

8:15Davina McCall: And I can see why. They're my favourite. Yellow ones. Yeah.

8:18Michael Douglas: I instantly read big yellow glasses. But sparkly. And sparkly. Big yellow sparkly glasses.

8:24Davina McCall: God damn it.

8:25Michael Douglas: Was that Johnny Mitchell song, Big Yellow Taxi?

8:28Davina McCall: Yes.

8:28Michael Douglas: I think I'll have to rewrite that for you as Big Yellow Glasses. Yes.

8:32Davina McCall: I've got a free thing for people.

8:34Michael Douglas: Oh, a freebie.

8:35Davina McCall: So I met a man at the Founders Forum, which we went to, which is basically lots of mostly tech entrepreneurs. Yes. Pitching their wares and also lots of tech entrepreneurs interested in investing in other companies. But, you know, Trini was there, for example. lots of like amazing you were there Michael but I met somebody and I thought oh I'd quite like to interview possibly you for Begin Again and actually um what I like is that he is quite prolific on YouTube um so it's nice you can go and you know he's written tons and tons of books but you can also if you're more of a visual person you can go and access a lot of his information knowledge on YouTube what I think that we as midlifers need is to not get left behind yeah everything is moving so fast technology AI and the world politics you know fashion everything is moving so quick we're all just kind of in danger of being left in the world's wake and all the yeah I don't even know what they're called the gen whatever the young people are nowadays um they're you know gen alphabet yeah whatever you know what i mean anyway bernard marr okay he's called bernard marr marr is spelled m-a-double-r um it says here that he's a youtuber but he's an internationally um international best-selling author he's an amazing keynote speaker but he's a futurist so he's a strategic business and technology advisor to governments and companies but he helps management teams prepare for a new industrial revolution fueled by transformative technologies okay he's a bit like what was that tv show that we all tomorrow's world yeah tomorrow's world yeah yeah that we all used to watch he is that oh but for now okay on youtube yeah so go and look up bernard mar it's really really interesting his website's also really interesting but he has written a book called generative ai in practice he's written future skills um the 20 skills that you're going to need in the future like he's a really really clever

10:46Michael Douglas: interesting nice guy um so just last week we had to cut our podcast short because we were dashing off to the founders forum i think it was fascinating the founders it was really good fun too my god yes it was good fun we did a bit of dancing there we did some raving towards the end um we had a friend of ours who kind of introduced us to lots of different people there but it was so funny because he'd go oh come and meet this guy here and i go yeah great and he said nice to meet you i said what does what do you do and he goes oh have you heard of google maps i was like yeah and he went yeah i made that i'm like oh okay yeah great uh come meet this guy here and do you know face id uh for apple i was like yeah yeah i made that oh right yeah okay great um wait

11:31Davina McCall: wait wait wait come come over here meet this guy yeah what do you do oh yeah do you know all the

11:36Michael Douglas: filters for snapchat yeah yeah yeah i made those i made all those oh wow great the other one was oh meet this guy clayton what do you do i'll build rockets i was like fireworks he's like no no the ones that go like to the moon i was like okay great to meet you i was like holy shit you know i said what do you do i'll do your hair for you like most people were bold you do more than that to michael it was very funny it was a fascinating it was a brilliant bunch of people there but they had someone from the board of a open ai there the people who made chat gpt and that was really interesting nobody really knows what to do with chat gpt yet and i think that was the interesting thing that she was saying is that they're actually just watching how people are using it because people use it in ways that you wouldn't have thought and they're watching for trends emerging and things like that there was one of the ceos from netflix there because netflix has two ceos he did a really good chat about Netflix.

12:30Michael Douglas: I really like Netflix.

12:32Davina McCall: Yes, I find it a bit overwhelming. There's just so much on there.

12:36Michael Douglas: Yeah, I would not unsubscribe. Of all the ones.

12:39Davina McCall: I'm not unsubscribing. That's the one I would not unsubscribe from.

12:42Michael Douglas: I think there's an old stuff comes back and, you know, a variety of stuff and then there's lots of other bits and pieces in there. Quickly, while we're talking about Netflix,

12:49Davina McCall: I just want to recommend a film that somebody told me to watch today. And you've already seen it. Oh, God, yeah, yeah, yeah. And The Lives of Others.

12:59Michael Douglas: Yeah, The Lives of Others.

13:01Davina McCall: I really want to see it. It's a German language film, right?

13:04Michael Douglas: It is. It won Best Foreign Language Film at the Oscars of the year it came out. And it's about a chap who's in the Gestapo.

13:13Davina McCall: Yeah.

13:14Michael Douglas: And he listens in on the lives of other people in East Berlin to find out what they're up to. So he'd been demoted, I think, at some point into this position because he wasn't doing very well at work in the Gestapo. And one of his jobs was to listen. So he was listening to two artists. I think one of them is an artist and the other one's a performer. This isn't giving anything away. But they had this very creative life, these people. And their house is bugged and he is listening to it. And he actually slightly falls in love with their love in a way and what they're trying to do. But he's supposed to be policing, obviously, what they're doing and stop it.

13:56Michael Douglas: And if he doesn't, then he'll be...

13:58Davina McCall: He'll be killed. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

13:59Michael Douglas: So there's this weird paradox that he gets trapped in. The whole thing set in the 1980s is very interesting because it's in our lifetime. So when you're watching the film, you imagine what you were doing in 1987 or whatever, and this was going on not that far away from where you were partying. I was clubbing, yeah. And kissing Eric Clapton or whatever you were doing back in those days.

14:24Michael Douglas: and that was actually going on there it is a truly brilliant brilliant film and I used to work in Berlin a lot at the time so I would try and find these Berlin based films and watch them while in Berlin and I stayed in East Berlin and watched this while that was going on and then I took a boat trip down the river I'd like to do that one day yeah well it's really interesting there's these little crosses around the river of where people were shot trying to cross to get to West Berlin in the water. And you'll notice there's one date which was someone who was shot and killed the day before the war came down.

14:57Michael Douglas: You know, just waited one more date. Oh no. Could have got over it. So it's a superb film, but I'll tell you a little bit of trivia in it. The guy who's in it, who is fantastic. Do you mean Ulrich Moor, the guy that listens?

15:11Davina McCall: Yes, the guy listens.

15:13Michael Douglas: Throughout the filming of it, he had terminal cancer. and I believe he died before it won the Oscar. No. Yeah, yeah, so he finished filming and then he got sicker and sicker and sicker and then the film got made and put out and at the Oscar ceremony he wasn't there to receive it. And he won, they won. The film won, yeah, but he is such a significant part of the film. It is a truly good film. I see it's got 8.4 on IMDb there.

15:37Davina McCall: Yeah.

15:37Michael Douglas: It's a subtitled job, but if you're not, I know people aren't keen, some people aren't keen on subtitled films, but just put that aside and watch it. It was two hours, 17 minutes. It was quite long for a subtitled film but honestly, it's sensational.

15:51Davina McCall: It got a meta score of 89. Wow, that's good. That's really high.

15:55Michael Douglas: Yeah. I've wanted to watch this for ages.

15:58Davina McCall: I'm looking forward to seeing that.

16:00Michael Douglas: Jester would love this. Yes.

16:01Davina McCall: Should we keep it then for him? No. We're not going to see him for ages. He's gone. He's virtually left home.

16:07Michael Douglas: But other thing is he always never wants to watch a foreign language film but he's missing out on two or three bangers.

16:13Davina McCall: Really good ones.

16:14Michael Douglas: We can watch that tonight if you fancy.

16:15Davina McCall: Yes, please.

16:16Michael Douglas: You know what I'd like to do? Tell me. I'd like to finish this podcast. Yes. You know, when we finish it. Yes. You very nicely bought a fillet steak. I did. And a salad. So, can we have steak and salad? Yes. And then could we just sit on the balcony for a bit and get the last of the song? Yes. Let's do that. And just like half an hour, an hour on the balcony? Yes.

16:34Davina McCall: Yes, in kineys.

16:36Michael Douglas: Yes, in like shorts and bikinis. And just with some gentle music on. Yes. And just relax. Yes. We've had a very busy, mega busy day today. Okay, let's see what I've got.

16:47Davina McCall: I quickly want to talk about, just say one very quick thing. I went to go and buy my friend that I went to see this afternoon a book and I bought her Donna Ashworth's poem for women. Oh yes, I saw that. Like the book of poetry for women. But I also saw, which reminded me, I'm not sure that I've spoken about it, Donna Ashworth's words can fly, which is for children. I've got to tell you, this is an amazing, uplifting book of poetry that is specifically made to make children feel great. It's uplifting poetry where you feel like she's so good at making you feel with words, Donna. And if you are interested in making your kids learn a little bit about poetry, which is amazing.

17:31Davina McCall: It's amazing use of English language, but it's a really compassionate book. You know, the words in it. Every child will find a poem that it can relate to in this book and more. And Giovanna Fletcher said it's brilliantly reflective, awakening and full of comfort. This is an offering of beauty. Oh, I love that. And Giovanna, you know, obviously she's got kids. I've got kids like every single child. This is a must have for every child. any child that's having a birthday this year get them this book it is an absolute winner words can

18:07Michael Douglas: fly by donna ashworth i've come down with a little kind of cold or a sore throaty thing

18:13Davina McCall: i feel so bad for you oh thank you i do yeah well that's kind of something nice about that thanks

18:22Michael Douglas: thanks i'm feeling bad but it's not developed into anything it's not a cough or a cold or a

18:27Davina McCall: sore throat it's a tiny bit of everything yeah it's everything but it's made you feel really

18:31Michael Douglas: rotten it has but it's not what i'm hoping for is it doesn't develop into one of those things it

18:36Davina McCall: all just peters out now you know i think you've turned a corner i think i've turned a corner as well i'm looking at you yeah you look more positive tonight than you have done in days

18:47Michael Douglas: good okay so now one of the things this is a really good recommendation this for people that might not be for the people listening but you might know people who'd be interested in this what? I just love you

18:58Davina McCall: it's just like I love the way you explain things and I wish everybody could see your hands I'm presenting that with my hands as though we're being filmed

19:09Michael Douglas: so Saskia who is the editor and producer of this podcast hello Saskia yes we love you we had a little meeting at the beginning of this series because she said why don't you think about filming making the cup and I was like one thing we love about this podcast is we're totally in control of it we just I've just set these microphones on the dining room table I couldn't think of the word there is it a kitchen table?

19:31Davina McCall: sometimes I feel like you do that to make me feel better

19:34Michael Douglas: I don't know, it was a genuine I'm so grateful Jamie was in today and I tried to introduce him to my friend Asher and I forgot his name you forgot Jamie's name? I said this is Damien here and this is

19:50Davina McCall: if somebody's like that with me I know that this just happens to everybody and I would have just gone I'm Davina yeah you know what I mean yeah yeah yeah absolutely but you know did you do you remember today when you were on the phone to me and there was a guy and he was like oh my god I love you oh my god my girlfriend and I did a whole photo and a thing for his girlfriend and everything and then he went what's your name to you yeah no no no no no no but wait wait wait because it was it was really nice and I went I'm Davina and And he went, Davina McCall. Like, it was like it was another gift.

20:24Davina McCall: He knew I was famous. But then he was like, oh, no, I know your surname as well. It was so funny. And then he went, I love your presenting.

20:35Michael Douglas: Thank God he said that. He didn't say, you're the best tattoo artist I've ever been to.

20:40Davina McCall: Oh, my God.

20:42Michael Douglas: The other thing I found fascinating by that, and I see this, obviously, but I was on the phone to you at the time that you went, I'm sorry, I'm just on the phone to my boyfriend. but he completely ignored that and then he just carried on talking and then you said again yeah give me a minute I'm just on the phone to my boyfriend he was like yeah yeah whatever and then he's carried out I was like oh my god so funny when people put up the courage to speak to you it's like it doesn't matter what's going on I am now talking to you yeah but I I totally get that oh me too it's not like a problem it's not rudeness yeah it's actually like I'm just

21:12Davina McCall: focused on this thing right now he was so nice you know wasn't he oh yeah it was really funny

21:19Michael Douglas: Okay, so people know that I run a hair tools company called Empty London, and it does very well. We have a good time, but it's...

21:27Davina McCall: It's the greatest hair tools company in the world. Can I quickly just tell you something?

21:30Michael Douglas: Yeah, of course you can.

21:31Davina McCall: The other day, a friend of mine, and I don't tell you this stuff because I forget, but she was talking about the weight.

21:37Michael Douglas: Ah, yeah, the weight.

21:37Davina McCall: She cannot believe how light the hairdryer is. And in order to get round, it's one thing doing this side, but to get round to the other side. and when you get to a certain age, things like frozen shoulder and things like that are a real thing. That hairdryer is so light, it is off the charts amazing. There you go, just thought I'd tell you.

21:58Michael Douglas: It's like an infomercial. I just wanted to pick that up because I didn't tell you the other thing. Thank you. The business is driven by lots of online content. We make a lot of content for Instagram and Facebook and YouTube and all that kind of stuff. A lot of it is just driven by all the digital stuff. So we film a lot of that on iPhones and then Saskia was saying, why don't you film the podcast? And I was like, I would like to actually, but I love the convenience of this podcast. We just set it up and we press record and we do it, send it to Saskia. She cuts out all the swear words that Davina says.

22:29Davina McCall: Cunt.

22:29Michael Douglas: What? Leave that one in. And that's that. And we start editing it and filming it and everything. You know, there's like probably another hour, two hours, maybe even three hours a week of stuff to do. Anyway, Saskia sent me a link to this thing It's called the Mevo Start 3-Pack Wireless Live Streaming Cameras, right?

22:50Davina McCall: Yes, you're going to have to write that down for people because we're not going to remember that.

22:55Michael Douglas: I'm going to put it in the blurb. Tag them, tag them. I'll tag this. So what it is, you get three little cameras. They're 1080.

23:03Davina McCall: Oh my God, they're amazing. They're tiny.

23:05Michael Douglas: Yeah, they're small, about the size of a packet of fags, if you can remember what that is. I literally couldn't think of anything other than a packet of fags to describe the size of these things. it's because I'm still watching Mad Men everybody smokes in that show anyway you get three of these cameras right and you set them up you can connect them to your wifi which is easy peasy lemon squeezy to do right so I don't think it's technical this at all you do have to buy some stands for them as well so go into Amazon and stuff like that screw on the stands and then you can position them anywhere so what we've done is positioned one on the mirror so it faces me so it's like a reflection of me

23:40Davina McCall: so this isn't for the podcast

23:42Michael Douglas: you've stolen them for work and I thought I'm going to try them at work and if they work, great. We'll get another set for it. And then I'll get a set for here or I'll bring these here or whatever it is.

23:50Davina McCall: Yeah, well, we've got to leave those ones at work. You don't want to be faffing around with them like...

23:54Michael Douglas: So anyway, you set them up and then you download the app, the Mevo app, right? Because they're Mevo, sorry, M-E-V-O. So you can put Mevo Start 3, just put that into Google and it'll come up and get the three cameras. Now, what you've got on your iPad in the app when you open it is now a gallery, you know, like a gallery in a TV show. yeah oh wow that's great you can have more cameras if you want but you've got three cameras now live looking at the thing so we've got a single uh close-up so if i'm doing something with my hands and then we've got a wide over in the corner taking a wide shot right and then we literally go okay press record you start recording and let's say we start recording on this camera pacing me here and i'm going hey uh let me introduce you to the md london blow or whatever um what you can do whoever's at the gallery so it's sunny or andy or whatever you can click on the close-up camera now that one's recording and if you want to decide you want to click the wide you click the wide and the wide one's recording so you can live now this whole thing's being recorded the whole time into your ipad and what it spits out at the end is a fully edited shot an audio recorded video that requires virtually no editing because you've live edited now if i make a mistake fair enough I'll say, oh, let me reshoot that bit.

25:09Michael Douglas: You'd have to go and find that bit in iMovie and nip it out.

25:12Davina McCall: Nip it out. But that's still much easier than editing the whole thing. I mean, how time-consuming that is. Oh, my God, that's amazing. So it's really good. Great for your business.

25:22Michael Douglas: Now, I've just Googled this, and there's a place called Desert Cart. So they're£1 ,100 on Desert Cart for these three cameras. I got mine from another website, and they were£930 for the three cameras and the software. so it's not cheap but if you're a content creator yes whether you're a jewelry brand or i don't know skincare brand or you've got a kid who wants to make videos or um you know wants to make content yes a bit of a sideline or something honestly this little package is a christmas present or a gift or something like someone i'm so in awe of it and you can add more cameras to it you know if you're um if you want to build a set out of lego or whatever and do like lego animations or something like it's just really good and it is going to slightly revolutionize the way we do content so we're about to launch our into boots so in august um i think in july we go on boots.com and in august

26:14Davina McCall: we're going to 100 stores in july you're on boots.com oh my god that's so soon um but we're

26:22Michael Douglas: after the beginning of july yes it might oh my god michael that's like two weeks away boots.com Michael but of course when you click on things you need lots of little videos you know yeah

26:35Davina McCall: Michael

26:36Michael Douglas: yeah I love you I love you too

26:38Davina McCall: no but Michael yeah I really mean it

26:43Michael Douglas: I should I should hope you mean it yeah no I really do okay yeah so you've got to make lots

26:49Davina McCall: so you've got to click on like yeah so if you go into boots

26:51Michael Douglas: and look on the blowhead right click on it it'll be a little video so all these videos we're making with boots are all being made with these cameras at the moment.

26:57Davina McCall: Oh, wow.

26:58Michael Douglas: But they don't require camera people, which is saving us an enormous amount in bodies and stuff like that. But also the live editing thing is amazing. So now we're both very good at presenting. I mean, I'm particularly good. So if you can get the audio correct, you get the words right, you can actually just shoot live content. It's usable immediately on websites and all sorts of stuff. That's bloody incredible, isn't it? It's really good. So Mevo Start three-pack wireless streaming cameras. Go and have a little look at that. I would get the three-pack. Remember to get some stands. And then there's a few settings and things you like, you know, auto-wipe balance it, or you can lock that off.

27:34Michael Douglas: Obviously, you can crop into the picture. You can shoot in portrait or landscape, depending on if you're making TikToks or whatever else it is.

27:41Davina McCall: I mean, for any influencers out there, this is a must-gap. Yeah, I think it's really good.

27:46Michael Douglas: The only thing it doesn't do is 4K filming. Right. So I'm assuming at some point that is going to come out. So you might want to, just before you purchase these, and there's no financial incentives to me whether you buy these or not, by the way, but just do a little Google because if they are going to do a 4K version, I think it would probably be worth waiting for that. And I'll tell you why. It's because AI is going to envelop us all. Like we will not escape it. We can't escape it, yeah. If you've shot content for a business or you're an influencer, the better quality that content is shot in, the easier it is for the AI to do things with it.

28:23Michael Douglas: And you might want to start using AI in a year's time to take footage that you've shot before to turn it into something else. Because that's the kind of thing I'll be able to do. I mean, it's absolutely nuts what's going on at the moment with audio and video stuff. Just so people are aware that this is really us.

28:38Davina McCall: Yes, it certainly is.

28:39Michael Douglas: I sound like a robot.

28:40Davina McCall: I feel like that's going to be really important in the future, connecting in true life.

28:49Davina McCall: I just want to say congratulations to Justin Kelly. He is How To Basically.

28:54Michael Douglas: Oh, yes.

28:54Davina McCall: Because we really celebrated and championed How To Basically a couple of years ago, I think, on the podcast. And they have gone from strength to strength to strength. Magic. They've got schools doing things. They've reached out to neurodivergent kids. They've got courses for kids to go and be more independent when they go to university. Connecting kids through learning. It's all super eco-friendly. They are just a brilliant, brilliant place. Great for kids to go and do courses at. Great for learning in. Great for women to learn things in. Great for men to learn things in. It's not just for kids.

29:35Davina McCall: It's an amazing business. so you can contact justin kelly on jk at howtobasically.co.uk look up how to basically online we've recommended them before but it's just a brilliant site but i just wanted to say big up because we championed them before and they've done really well it's a great idea yeah i read

29:56Michael Douglas: the article this week i'm not sure i've remembered it properly about autism and neurodivergent that they've managed to now locate the slightly corrupted genes that are causing the problems in the brain and apparently there's a mechanism in your brain which is a bit like a waste disposal unit where stuff that your brain doesn't need it gets rid of it has this ability to to get rid of the waste and there was something about the gene that prevents the that waste mechanism working properly so you gather more of the waste it doesn't get rid of it it's a bit like clogging it up with rubbish and they were saying that that's that's one of the symptoms of this thing it's the first time they've ever really been able to um to genetically see it and then start to think they'll be able to make some treatments for it the next five to ten years where it's funny it's

30:45Davina McCall: quite interesting because i my meat my brain immediately goes to some some families might not want yeah of course you know it's quite interesting right like it's who you know

30:55Michael Douglas: Elon Musk is a great example of someone who's neurodivergent and his brain has been able to do all these incredible businesses.

31:03Davina McCall: And you know, it's funny because, I mean, you were saying, I think you used the word rubbish, but you only used it in terms of a waste disposal unit. You're not talking about rubbish in a brain because the thing with so many neurodivergent people is all that information that they're hanging on to is what makes them so valuable sometimes.

31:20Michael Douglas: The brain gets clogged up with this waste. So it finds alternative routes for things. And that's where the creativity perhaps comes from, you know. But you do wonder, don't you, if you rid your brain of a problem like, who are you at that point? Like, you know, like the problem has made you this particular type of person.

31:40Davina McCall: Well, I really get that.

31:43Michael Douglas: human beings like i was talking today with my friend asher about beauty and how really it requires a certain level of imperfection for beauty to be really beautiful and actually one of the problems with ai is that it's trying to be precise and perfect and actually that's the

32:01Davina McCall: thing we don't like about it yes god i had never thought of that that's exactly it we like mistakes yeah yeah that's what I love about you it makes us feel that was too far

32:13Michael Douglas: oh was it yeah yeah no it wasn't I'm joking but yes true perfection has to be imperfect you know I love all of you

32:27Michael Douglas: okay I was going to say I love your lines around your eyes and stuff like that and I was thinking no Michael don't go there walking straight into a dead end street can I just tell you something

32:39Davina McCall: all of that's fine because I love myself yeah I know you do so you can say whatever you like it's just like I've got an umbrella up and it doesn't touch me

32:51Michael Douglas: no okay it makes me laugh I think probably one of the things I love about you the most is your love of yourself that sets me free in a way that's quite remarkable and I try and do the same for you you do Yeah, good. It's funny, there's a Coldplay song called The Karate Kid and one of the lyrics says, Umbrellas with the rain in.

33:16Davina McCall: Yes.

33:16Michael Douglas: I really like that idea. It's like fucking hell. It's life so hard at the moment that it's raining in my umbrella. Have you got anything else?

33:28Davina McCall: Don't worry if you haven't. I feel like, well, why don't you go again? We're at 34 minutes. I've got a quick one.

33:33Michael Douglas: Yeah, okay, great.

33:34Davina McCall: that I can do. So Tom, who is a cameraman on Long Lost Family, he was crunching something and I can hear food being crunched from 500 places. You get 50. I can literally, I did an ear test, a hearing test with my new AirPods. They do hearing tests for you.

33:59Michael Douglas: You said that. Don't think mine do that. It's so good.

34:01Davina McCall: anyway I have got perfect hearing in both of my ears so I am in a good shape love that joke anyway these pretzels they're called pretzel thins they're by M &S the ones that I had were sesame I took a photograph of the pack so I could find it because they were heaven in my mouth it was like a party in my mouth sesame salted with black and white sesame seeds and they are quarter bag contained 800 no 89 calorie kcals um one percent sugar five percent salt two percent saturates i don't ever really understand what any of those means but fuck what it says on the bag it was really delicious M &S's pretzel thins sesame are delicious fact great

34:59Michael Douglas: can we get some yes great one thing I would like to mention is the Beaver Brooks thing we went to oh god we should give that a shout out oh my god

35:08Davina McCall: yes

35:08Michael Douglas: so we got some friends oh my god it was so good yeah and they said shall I look it up

35:14Davina McCall: for you

35:14Michael Douglas: yeah I've got it written there

35:16Davina McCall: but yeah look it up on the website please do

35:17Michael Douglas: yeah they said hey we're so they own this brilliant shop called Summerhill and Bishop oh my god the most exquisite tablecloths and dining architecture i think is probably a good word for it like so placemats and cutlery and crockery and coasters and stuff like that it's very expensive by the way but it's it's really bloody but like the best of the best it is unbelievably

35:40Davina McCall: beautiful it is it's exquisite and they do some collaborations like we went to gleneagles last

35:45Michael Douglas: year with them because they've done a big collaboration with gleneagles hotel but they've done this thing called the Beaverbrooks hot air balloons. And Beaverbrooks is a very swanky house, like a stately home that's got a big golf course on it. And it's also a hotel. There's a spa there and all sorts of things. Amazing grounds. Anyway, they said, would you like to come do the hot air balloons? So what they do is they have in front of the stately home, they have like eight of these mini hot air balloons and then the baskets of the hot air balloons and you sit inside the basket it doesn't float it's not a real hot air balloon

36:20Davina McCall: it's like but it does fill with air doesn't it so every and again it goes and then there's heaters

36:25Michael Douglas: and everything so you're outside um and then they bring food to your table and it's kind of japanesey there's lots of sushi stuff fantastic food the quality of the food was amazing fried battered um seaweedy stuff and all that oh and then they give you your own seaweed thins they give your own tabletop barbecue and then you barbecue your own meat and stuff like that it was

36:46Davina McCall: a bit like a teppanyaki type feeling yes you cook your own food on the and they had the most amazing sauce to kind of dip it into and we had six of us yes um which is great they sit six i don't think it's eight in in what was lovely was this theme that samrall and bishop had come up with was on

37:04Michael Douglas: the balloon it was on the table mats so if you go to the website which is bieberbrook.co.uk you can see that the pattern that's on the balloons it's also on the tablecloths and the mats and all the other bits and pieces that's summer hill and bishop but um if you wanted to take your missus or some friends or whatever to a really swanky like dining experience it's in rye gate in surrey and you can go bieberbrooks.co.uk go and have a little look you can book online but it was really good but there was two or three of the balloons were empty when we were there so So I don't think it's like mad, mad busy.

37:36Davina McCall: But it really was the most brilliant experience. Yeah, it was really good fun. And I think also staying at the hotel, I'm just going to, we went and got a little bit of an experience. So the bedrooms are gorgeous and very classic, but also there are lots of houses that you can rent out. So if you want to have, you know, like a party, I mean, this isn't, this is quite posh, but like an 18-bedroom little house-like party. So that's the main house. But there's another one, the garden house, that has got 11 bedrooms. So if you've got like two or three families that want to come together for a huge, like, do or something.

38:23Davina McCall: The village cottages, there's a total of 21 suites in the cottages. And then there's the coach house. the coach house is absolutely gorgeous oh my god and then there's lovely family rooms the colors are gorgeous the designs are amazing it's absolutely brilliant so beaverbrook.co.uk

38:42Michael Douglas: uh okay let's do a couple of shout outs brilliant so this is vanessa vanessa g draws ah vanessa g draws i've read out stuff from her before it said yay didn't realize the podcast was back so I've binge listened the first two eps on a long rainy dog walk and the dog is now knackered well done weirdly before even listen to the eps I had just booked Pete Tong at the O2 oh wow

39:08Davina McCall: which is great you'll love that in December you'll absolutely love it it's amazing and my sister

39:12Michael Douglas: recommended the Bono documentary on Apple TV synchronicity eh question mark yes you're right absolutely anyway my recommendation is word on the water oh I'm writing that down now now it's a barge on the King's Cross. So it's on the Grand Union Canal, which we talked about the Grand Union Canal last week, I think, didn't we? You walked from Paddington?

39:32Davina McCall: Yes. Yeah.

39:33Michael Douglas: So a friend of mine has a barge on King's Cross, the Grand Union Canal, so that'll be interesting. So it's a shop. It's an actual shop there.

39:40Davina McCall: Word.

39:41Michael Douglas: Called Word on the Water.

39:42Davina McCall: Word on the Water.

39:45Michael Douglas: Yeah, and he said,

39:45Davina McCall: I went there with my 13-year-old daughter

39:47Michael Douglas: for a couple of days ago and we spent a lot of time relaxing, an hour or so looking at the books, plus they were playing great music. so just search word on the water yeah oh and they've got a spotify playlist word on the water um comes up um i've been playing it a lot since and still loving the podcast thanks vanessa oh that's so nice um suzy smith now suzy smith said dm yes no i've already this is that's a fake yes

40:15Davina McCall: so can i just say that out loud that's what i thought i'd put thank you very much so nova is a business I've given it to um a business to try and shut down Nova is a business that they called Nova menopause or something and it is nothing to do with me I have never taken a tablet or anything to make myself thin that is a picture from a very long time ago after I just broke up in my marriage and I was extremely slim and um it is not true I have not I have not done any adverts for any kind of slimming pills or tablets or menopause, anything. That's so fucking annoying, isn't it? It's so annoying, yeah.

40:58Michael Douglas: Because I get a lot of people saying, really, has Davina done this? I'm like, no, she has not.

41:01Davina McCall: Yeah, it's really, really annoying.

41:03Michael Douglas: Anything from that company, just absolutely ignore. Ignore, ignore. I can bring myself to say their name. Okay, and then we've got one here. So nice to have you back. Congrats, Davina, on getting the all clear and Michael for being fab on the Katie Piper show. Oh, that's nice.

41:17Davina McCall: Nice.

41:18Michael Douglas: Yeah, I'm really enjoying the Katie Piper show. It's on every Sunday at 8.30am this week's episode.

41:23Davina McCall: I'm kind of saying you are very good on it.

41:26Michael Douglas: I'm just editing a little reel for this week. And the girls. Yeah, they're great, aren't they? Jen and Jem.

41:30Davina McCall: What's Jem? Jem, that's it, isn't it? Jem Flossie and Jenna. Because I didn't really meet. I met her very briefly, but I met Jenny. Love her. She's hilarious. Go and follow her on Instagram. Have you told people to do that?

41:44Michael Douglas: Yes. Genevieve Turley makeup. Yeah. Amazing. This is Jenkins Susie Q2. Susie Q2. Yeah, yeah. Susie Q2. Well done. And she wants to recommend Department Q on Netflix. Oh, writing that down. It's called 8.3 on IMDb, nine episodes set in Scotland, based on a Danish Scandi Noir series of books. And it follows Carl Mork returning to work as a detective after shooting that happens at the beginning of episode one, but being relegated to the basement to work on cold cases. we follow him as his team try and find out what happens to the missing prosecutor merit who vanished four years earlier as well as being a show that happened to her in a piecemeal fashion it's quite gory but lots of swearing sounds brilliant as well as some characters who could do with you michael fixing some particularly dodgy hair can see that great d.i morgue is quite unlikable but there's also a lot of humor love you both oh thanks oh my god great can i just say that was a

42:44Davina McCall: really concise and detailed recommendation. Well done.

42:49Michael Douglas: Department Q.

42:50Davina McCall: So thank you very much.

42:52Michael Douglas: And one last one here. Do you want to read this one out?

42:55Davina McCall: Hi, yes. Superbly sweet and funny UK film just released, The Ballad of Wallace Island. Loved every minute at the DCA in Dundee. Michael, you'll know this place maybe. Watching with my beautiful, brave sis after her consultation at Dundee Hospital about breast reconstruction. as she has breast cancer and cervical cancer and has a particularly difficult time. Also, a big shout-out. Oh, we love Maggie's Centres. They are amazing, and they have really helped Yvonne's sister in quite a major way. So, yo, shout-out to Maggie's Centre in Dundee.

43:37Michael Douglas: Yeah, and Yvonne's sister. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

43:39Davina McCall: Lots and lots of love to you both. and she says love to you both your podcast and banter always cheer me up so keep up the great work we will live on lots and lots of love

43:50Michael Douglas: I'm just going to finish with a song there was a new Paul Weller song put out this week which is a cover of a Bee Gees song I just thought I'd leave you with this cover of a Bee Gees song that's so interesting that's so interesting

44:00Davina McCall: have I told you already that the Bee Gees came from the Isle of Man yes

44:04Michael Douglas: I know you sent me that picture of you with the statues very fascinating I love the Bee Gees documentary we recommended it on this podcast a few years ago and I absolutely bloody loved it. I remember Paul Weller being interviewed about the Bee Gees and said I don't really like their voices or anything but he said they were good songwriters. Anyway he's got a new album coming out which I've talked about a couple of times already but it's an album of cover versions but very obscure ones but this one's called I Started a Joke which is a Robin Gibbs song and I loved it so I'll just play a little bit of it.

44:33Michael Douglas: That's a really interesting sentiment to the song.

44:42Which started the whole world crying

44:47Michael Douglas: Yeah, that's quite good, isn't it? It's like not what you expect, you know. You know what I think it is? It reminds me of like being cancelled. You know, like when you say something that you think's funny. Remember Gerald Ratner said something about his jewellery and then the whole company crashed and went bust and everything. And he was like, it was just a joke, you know. And the sentiment of the song is I started a joke and I started the whole world crying. but there's a really brilliant bit where he says um i finally died which started the whole world living and i was like oh wow god like like it's such a brilliant line that you know where it's

45:22Davina McCall: like but you know what it's it's all based around paradoxes which is your absolute favorite thing

45:27Michael Douglas: isn't it thing yeah anyway the album's called um find el el dorado um um no it's not el lorato El Lerado El Lerado Anyway I started a joke Go and have a listen to that I really really like it And he's done a fantastic job of it Anyway let's go and have meat And sit on the balcony Yes Alright folks Speak to you all next week We love you Lots of love everybody Bye bye Bye