SERIES 15: Episode 6 - Hothouse Flowers, TOPJAW, La Paloma, Mel Shilling, Girls

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0:36Yo.

0:37Michael Douglas: Yo, yo, yo.

0:39Davina McCall: Oh my God.

0:39Michael Douglas: Kiss my bad self.

0:41Davina McCall: What?

0:44Michael Douglas: I can't remember you said that. Think Bo Selector. You said that we are in Ibiza.

0:49Davina McCall: We've had quite an amazing few days.

0:52Michael Douglas: Probably the last seven days have been best days of the year.

0:57Davina McCall: Yeah.

0:58Michael Douglas: we recorded separately last week some of you probably know because Advena was in Saint-Tropez having a nice time with your daughter and some friends yeah I stayed at work and then I went to Glastow on the Thursday Glastonbury Festival on the Thursday I had a night with Peter and Emma kind of on my own which I can just say like missing you

1:18Davina McCall: it's one of the best things

1:19Michael Douglas: I know because it was brilliant but I was like this festival gets better tomorrow because you turn up

1:27Davina McCall: Oh, God, that's so nice of you to say that. I was so pleased that you were having a nice time there. I was having a brilliant time, and then I was looking forward to you.

1:36Michael Douglas: Yeah, it was great.

1:37Davina McCall: And I felt included, you included me, because you took pictures and you showed them to me and everything. It was so nice.

1:42Michael Douglas: A video of me and Peter topless dancing.

1:44Davina McCall: It's too much people.

1:45Michael Douglas: In NYC Downlow at like 3am.

1:48Davina McCall: Yeah.

1:49Michael Douglas: We were so sweaty, you know, like we'd been dug to the pool. But wow, God. Can we just talk about glass of ice? Yes, let's, actually.

1:56Davina McCall: because we were both a bit nervous about going because of the sheer scale of it, weren't we?

2:01Michael Douglas: It's nearly quarter of a million people. I think it was last year. It was 200 ,000 this year. So it's like a city in the middle of the countryside. And it's so big that we were a bit like, you know... Is it going to be too much?

2:15Davina McCall: Yeah, and it's just... Are we going to find each other? Are we going to know where to go?

2:19Michael Douglas: It's also this idea that it's just a bunch of bands playing on stage. and there wasn't any bands that I particularly wanted to unsee this year but this was the year we could go. So I was like, well, let's just go, you know. There was a girlfriend of ours that we went with called Emma and she's been to every festival, Garbage, Burning Man, all of those festivals. But she always said Glastonbury is the best festival she's ever been to and I was like, well, why? Like, why is it better than Burning Man? Yes. And she said, there's something quintessentially British about it. You're at home for a start.

2:49Michael Douglas: You're on your own soil in a way.

2:51Davina McCall: Yes.

2:51Michael Douglas: And then she said there's this thing that everybody comes to Glastonbury and leaves their shit at the door.

2:57Davina McCall: Yes, I felt that.

2:58Michael Douglas: They leave all their bags and they were like, wow, you know, it's big. And they come and open their hearts. Yes, it's true. And just delve into love, you know. And I was like, oh, I wonder if that's true for everybody or just her or whatever, you know. But that is exactly what it was. I could not believe the spirituality.

3:19Davina McCall: We couldn't have met a nicer bunch of people.

3:22Michael Douglas: Everyone we met was lovely. Strangers, people we knew, work people, old friends, like we bumped into hundreds of people.

3:31Davina McCall: I had an amazing, amazing experience where I bumped into somebody, my first kind of long-term boyfriend, his daughter, who was a little girl when we were together. I was a little girl, really. But I bumped into her as an adult. It was literally your stepdaughter, really. Yeah, yeah, and got her number. Yeah. And I've reached out to say hi. When did you last see her? 30 years ago. Fucking hell.

3:58Michael Douglas: Yeah. And that's the funny thing about glass of water. It has this magic ability to plug you back into a bunch of feelings. And, yeah, no, it's mega.

4:10Davina McCall: And the other really thing that I think we both really enjoyed was the fact that, as you've said, they weren't necessarily groups that we would be thinking we've got to go to Glastonbury and see. But how much did we love Alanis Morissette?

4:24Michael Douglas: Oh, God. I was like, oh, yeah, let's go and see Alanis Morissette, you know. And then she started singing. And we were like, oh. What? And then you realised you knew all the words. Every single song. And the words just weren't words to a song.

4:35Davina McCall: They were profound, deep words, you know.

4:37Michael Douglas: It was like, wow.

4:38Davina McCall: So download Alanis Morissette. and also the guy that we adopted to watch Alanis Morissette with.

4:45Michael Douglas: There was a young lad. Oh, my God, he was amazing. He just happened to be stood with us on his own and then we turned around and looked at him, he was crying and we were like, oh, my God.

4:52Davina McCall: He knew every single word to every single song and he wept the whole way through. It was so lovely to be with him. We were hugging him all the way through. It was brilliant. Then Caribou blew my mind and we took two people that hadn't really heard of Caribou and it like Dan and the band blew their minds completely then we saw them afterwards we got to say hi which was super nice

5:17Michael Douglas: Emma was like oh what is Caribou and I'm like oh it's like a dancey housey type band she's like oh I thought it was like some kind of girl band pop band or something because Caribou does conjure up a kind of childlike pop sound I think doesn't for me doesn't conjure up what Caribou is oh I didn't think that at all

5:36Davina McCall: but maybe it's because I've always known what they were so they've become what...

5:40Michael Douglas: Yeah, so it was so nice to see Emma because she was like, oh, I had no idea you were taking me to see this and she was like, wow, you know. So it was just really... And they played live.

5:52Davina McCall: Yeah, completely live. I love the way they play live. Yeah, they're not a DJ. It's so unique, their sound and their act and the lights.

5:59Michael Douglas: Oh, it was so special. Knockout. You were going through the pamphlet and you were like, oh, the hothouse flowers are on. And I was like, you're kidding me. like back in the 90s in like 1990 what 91 92 they were my favorite band that and you too i was in love with this kind of celtic irish sound you know you said oh they're on at eight o 'clock at the acoustic stage and i was like i've got to try and get to that so we actually left pulp early pulp were brilliant they were so good i was like i'm determined to really go and see the hot house as to see if they transport me back in time or take me you know back to some of these feelings that I used to have then as a kid.

6:36Davina McCall: It felt like we'd walked to Coventry. I mean, like, we walked so far to get to the Hot House.

6:40Michael Douglas: So Peter and Emma were like, the acoustic stage couldn't be further away from us. It's like, it's the equivalent of walking to Scotland.

6:47Davina McCall: Yeah, and they were so nice about it.

6:48Michael Douglas: And I said, well, look, you don't have to come. I'll just go on my own. I just want to go.

6:52Davina McCall: You would never go on your own, by the way.

6:53Michael Douglas: No, I know, but I didn't want to drag people there and it not be very good, you know. Anyway, everyone was digging in and going, no, no, no, Michael, we're coming, we're coming. Yeah, we're coming. Anyway, we got there and we'd missed half the sex, it was so long. And then we got there and I just burst. I could not fucking believe. They all looked like they were in the middle of an ayahuasca ceremony. They had long beards and long hair and had these kind of spiritual clothes on. But the most talented musicians I have ever heard play. And lyrics. And in tune. And the lyrics, which I thought when I was a kid were religious.

7:28Michael Douglas: But they weren't religious. They were kind of, not to put it down, but like generic spiritual connection to everyone and everything. It was about the earth, the sky, nature, beings, animals, plants, trees, you, your conscious mind.

7:43Davina McCall: But can you quickly explain how old you were when you used to listen to them? 16, I would say.

7:47Michael Douglas: Because that's quite young.

7:48Davina McCall: Yeah. And at 16, mostly people are listening to grime.

7:52Michael Douglas: Yeah, dance music or grunge or whatever it was.

7:54Davina McCall: Or something hard. Yeah. But this is really beautiful lyrics. For a 16-year-old boy to be listening, it tells us a lot about you as a boy.

8:02Michael Douglas: Well, I didn't know I was that boy, really. And I think that's what happened to me, I think, in class to breathe. Is I realised that for years I'd been feeding my soul with all this nourishing sound and lyrics and meaning. And I didn't know what it meant at the time. But when I went back as a 52-year-old person, and they sang these songs. There's a song called This Is It and the line is, this is your soul. It's time to meet your soul. And I was like, I can't have met it. At the time I was just like, I didn't really understand the soul, what it meant. I hadn't learned enough about life or the universe or me or anything.

8:52Davina McCall: But you liked it.

8:54Michael Douglas: I liked it, yeah, it just spoke to me, you know. So I just fell to my knees, really, in a way. And Emma looked at me and she was saying, thank you so much for taking us to see this.

9:05Davina McCall: Yeah, it was amazing.

9:06Michael Douglas: I can't believe how good it is, you know. And it popped the night off, like, in a way that I just couldn't believe. You know, I was like, wow, I'm so glad that turned out good. And then she's been messaging me saying, can you send me a playlist of the Hothouse Flowers? Like, I want to really live with it.

9:20Davina McCall: It was really nice to introduce two people that didn't. I mean, I knew a couple of their songs, but nothing like as much as you did.

9:27Michael Douglas: So my first recommendation is the Hot House Flowers. The first three records they made, the first one's called People, the second one's called Movies, and the third one is called Songs from the Rain. And all of those records get better and better and better. You know, there's a couple of turkeys in there, perhaps, that you might go, I'm not really into this, but the songs in there are so deep, so rich, so profound, and so, so beautiful that that is my big recommendation, really. If you're looking for something new to listen to, then here's something old that will renew you in a way. So I've made a playlist on Spotify and I'll make it public, but it's called Hot House While I Was 25.

10:02Michael Douglas: It's about an hour and a half worth of all my favourite songs on there. And people can access that on Spotify. I think my idea should just be Michael Douglas.

10:11Davina McCall: Try and look at the lyrics at the same time.

10:14Michael Douglas: Oh, gosh, yeah.

10:16Davina McCall: Somehow when you're reading them, you feel them a bit deeper, don't you?

10:20Michael Douglas: There's this song called Be Good, and the chorus goes, Be good, be kind, be truthful and be free, and keep your holy loving eyes on me. And kind of go, oh yeah, kind of good words, but these kind of big experiences of your life, you realise that those words have more power than you could ever really imagine, you know. And that song in particular, there's a flute bit in it. Lots of songs have guitar solos in it. It's got a flute solo in it. And I was like, wow, this is like Gallivanter-esque stuff. You could DJ into this song. Because it's probably at 100 beats per minute as well. It's like... I'm like, fuck!

11:02Michael Douglas: So we're in Ibiza at the moment and I'm listening to that just like swimming around and lying in the sun. I'm just like crying every time. And it's like, fuck, I can't believe it.

11:10Davina McCall: We've broken him. Yeah, you really, really have.

11:13Michael Douglas: So my first recommendation is at the Hot House.

11:15Davina McCall: And Glastonbury.

11:16Michael Douglas: Oh yeah, Glastonbury.

11:17Davina McCall: No, it's back. It's not on next year, but it's back in 27. But you, like us, have been thinking for years and years, oh, I'd quite like to go to Glastonbury, but not sure if it's me. You know, try and go in 2027.

11:32Michael Douglas: Beg, steal or borrow a ticket. Do what you can to get a ticket.

11:36Davina McCall: It really is life-changing.

11:38Michael Douglas: We had a friend who actually took us, a guy called Peter. Thank you, Peter. Yeah, thank you, Peter. It was just amazing. and Emma said she would be our kind of guide for the whole thing. Yeah, God, it was amazing. Fucking hell, that just absolutely blew me away. I'd also recommend a song from Pulp called Something Changed. I hadn't realised how much of the Pulp stuff I knew, but when he picked up the acoustic guitar and he said, oh, this was the reason we got the band back together, we tried this song and it worked instantly. And I was like, oh, my God, I remember this song, like from 1995 or something, but it's called Something Changed.

12:11Michael Douglas: So you're looking for a little acoustic-y, ballad-y type thing. sitting in the sun or whatever at the moment have a listen to that is so so good it's got a real northernness about it as well which i absolutely love i came back from glastonbury on sunday night

12:26Davina McCall: and i went straight to chester yes and chester wanted to kind of show me some things that he'd seen on youtube and things like that but he does and one of them was this amazing recommendation for a youtube channel called top jaw now they also have an instagram page so if you don't want to access them on YouTube you can go and find them on Instagram they're called Top Jaw they've got a blue tick they've got 826 ,000 followers it's two guys called Jesse and Will and they are not paid by any restaurant that they feature okay but they are food and sort of travel bloggers and they talk to all the greatest i'm pretty sure that i have filmed with i think maybe will it's quite weird but anyway they talk to everybody i mean they talk to all the big chefs in london and then they ask them where their favorite places to eat are so they might ask where the greatest pizza restaurant is and all of them said crisp pizza oh that instantly sounds good yeah but it's interesting isn't it that like loads of people said the same place and i'd never heard of crisp pizza but the whole point of it we all love pizzas that are crunchy on the underneath and that's why we love the romana pizzas because they're thinner right but crisp pizza is um in london it's weirdly it's in chiswick okay um 25 it's called crisp road so that's why it's called crisp pizza but it's quite near the river nice and the pizza looks absolutely knockout i'm just going to show you a quick bit of the margarita here you can see underneath it's quite charred and it's very very thin it's got lovely toppings it's all super fresh um and the dough looks really nice and crunchy on the outside It's like crunchy when you bite into it.

14:27Michael Douglas: I was slightly disappointed that it didn't have crisps on it. I was thinking, oh, a pizza with a bag of salt mini crisps dumped on top of it. That could set me on fire.

14:37Davina McCall: Yes. I see what you're saying. Yeah, I see what I did there. Yeah, but Will and Jesse are also probably quite good. So Jesse is the cameraman, but he's invited by Will into lots of the shots as well. They are amazing for food recommendations all over the place. so just keep an eye out and go and follow them if you want any ideas but like particularly in london um they've got so many brilliant places to go in london popham's bakery was another one lots of lovely unbelievably good pastries artisanal artisanal but popham's pastry was another one um recommended by them so go check out um top jaw on youtube really nice fun to watch on YouTube.

15:23Davina McCall: You can stream it on your telly or follow them on Instagram.

15:27Michael Douglas: I can also say what a great name that is for it. Top Jaw. So good. It's a bit like making the cut. Yeah, it's like making the cut. You know? Yes. Well thought out.

15:36Davina McCall: Well thought out.

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16:50Michael Douglas: So we're in a B-3 at the moment. and there's a restaurant we went to the other night that we've been to two or three times before and it's called La Paloma and it is exceptional so if you've come to Ibiza this summer

17:02Davina McCall: I mean so good

17:04Michael Douglas: there was another restaurant I was going to recommend I've been banned from recommending it from some of our friends here they're like don't promote that but I'll sneak it into a future one I'll sneak it into a future podcast I'll tell you why you can't

17:18Davina McCall: it's got five tables

17:20Michael Douglas: and our friends would be furious. Yeah. But Lapaloma's really good. And if you like meat, there's a lamb shank meal in there that I didn't order it, but the girl next to me ordered it. And I just looked at it all night and thought, fuck, why didn't I order that? It looked so good to them.

17:37Davina McCall: We had food envy.

17:38Michael Douglas: She let me have a little bit of it and I was like, wow, next time I come I'm getting that. But the menu's brilliant, the staff are brilliant. That kind of butter, Marmite butter that you get at the beginning.

17:47Davina McCall: Oh, well, wait, can I just tell you something? So on the table, they brought bread and they brought dippy-dippy pesto sauce and what looked like pate in a bowl. It's like brownish. It was browny and it had the consistency of foie gras. It looked like foie gras. So I tried some and it was one of the best things I've ever eaten. But I was putting lumps of what looked like foie gras type pate, pate proportions on a piece of bread it was butter yes I was eating literally a lump of butter with a tiny bit of bread attached to it

18:26Michael Douglas: I mean honestly yeah I was just like it was mad and there's like this vinegary tapenade stuff as well

18:34Davina McCall: oh my god it was so good

18:35Michael Douglas: so if you're coming out to Ibiza you want a nice place to go in the evening it's great about 8 o 'clock time the sun's just going down and then it slowly becomes dark and the whole place lights up I'm not entirely sure where it is exactly but it's kind of the north bit of the island

18:48Davina McCall: yeah look it up

18:50Michael Douglas: sensational

18:51Davina McCall: I would like to recommend this week's guest on Begin Again she's Mel Schilling she is the relationship expert and advisor on MAFs which is Married at First Sight in Australia and she is well when I met her at Begin Again she was like she matched my energy she got she gets out of the car yeah i'm all excited but she's all excited as me honestly but she did this amazing thing with you and i where she gave you 11 topics yes and she asked you to rate them in order of importance and she gave the same 11 topics to me um go watch the podcast it is a very interesting test to do with your partner to see how compatible you are if you want to spice up your relationship you know you're in love you've been with your partner for many years but it's kind of you're just so used to each other it's got a bit samey um if you want to spice up your relationship listen to it and if you want to meet somebody she says dating apps are great but you've got to learn how to use them and she tells you how to use them and um she is a brilliant one to listen to if you're going out with someone if you're not going out with someone if you'd like to go out with someone any of the above she is absolutely brilliant she's a specialist in human behavior and performance she's been around for 20 years what she doesn't know about relationships isn't worth knowing she's mega mel shilling on begin

20:17Michael Douglas: again now and that's youtube and then all the podcasty places as well which are one of the nice things that happened at glastonbury this year so i'll give you a bit of backstory to this but obviously we've had this podcast for maybe five years now yeah i was just we've done about 250 50 episodes of it. It's done really well and I really love it. It's like an amazing thing me and you to do. We get to connect with each other.

20:39Davina McCall: It's nice to talk about things we loved. You know, sometimes I'm not with you when you experience something and it's lovely to hear about it and you might not have told me otherwise. Yeah.

20:47Michael Douglas: And then what you told me one day, you said, oh, Stephen Barton's been in touch with me and he wants me to do a podcast on his platform. I felt a bit put out by that, if I'm honest, at first. I was bit like, I do a podcast with you, what's he fucking doing wrestling in? Stephen Bartlett, back away, buddy. And I honestly did feel a bit kind of funny about it, and I was a bit like, oh, like, what should I do with these feelings, you know, should I say something, you know, should I, do I feel a bit peevish, like it's not really fair, you know, like, you've obviously got this huge platform and this huge influence and reach and everything, and it should go to doing good things.

21:27Michael Douglas: And this podcast is kind of a bit of fun for us, but I was a bit like, Michael, deal with your feelings. Like, support your beautiful girlfriend and help that be the best podcast it could be. But it actually took me about four months of just, like, letting go a little bit of you. And thinking, well, this isn't me. You know, Stephen Ballard's not offering this to us. He's offering it to you. Deal with it, you know. So I was like, okay, you know, so I did. And then you obviously started making your podcast last year and you pre-recorded some before your brain operation and all that and you'd come back and you'd tell me a bit about them.

21:59Michael Douglas: And I was a bit like, yeah, yeah, you know, tell me about your podcast. I've got a podcast with you, you don't have to tell me about this. Anyway, we were at Glastonbury this year. There was literally hundreds of people who would come up to you and say, can I just say your podcast has changed my life, you know? And then they gave you a big hug and some of them cried and some of them said, this episode changed everything for me and all the rest of it. I was like, well done, Michael. You know, like, you did the right thing there. you let go and you encourage to begin again to become this thing that is helping people and is spreading love and spreading joy and when I watch the clips on Instagram and I see on YouTube or I see an episode that I want to watch and I watch it I'm being kind of fed this information and this rich learning as a result of letting go of my not like animosity or anything but just like that thing that was holding me back a bit was like let go let go it was a brilliant exercise in letting go my feelings aren't always important you know they are to me yeah but they're not always to me they're just like somebody's saying this is something you need to work on like a little bit of yourself and i've got as better as a result and i want to say congratulations on your podcast it is brilliant and the impact that it's having on people has melted my heart can i also point out

23:14Davina McCall: that there were quite a few people that came up to us yeah yeah oh my god i love your podcast Yes, yeah. And that was really nice as well.

23:23Michael Douglas: Yeah, it was really good. And Michael. Yeah.

23:25Davina McCall: I really appreciate that.

23:26Michael Douglas: Oh, God, it's a pleasure.

23:27Davina McCall: It's nice to be able to share it with our listeners.

23:30Michael Douglas: Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay, I finished watching Mad Men.

23:33Davina McCall: Yes.

23:33Michael Douglas: The final episode.

23:34Davina McCall: How did you feel about that? Were you upset? A little bit. Yeah.

23:39Michael Douglas: The season finale of season seven, which I think it is in the last season, is a truly beautiful episode.

23:45Davina McCall: Is it?

23:45Michael Douglas: Yes, because it's not disconnected, actually, to what I've just said about it. begin again really it's about realizing who you are and there's this don draper in the final episode has to go to a retreat it's a very famous retreat in california that peter's been to several times and obviously it's 1969 it's the october of 1969 i believe in the episode he's trying to let go of himself he hates himself really yes there's this amazing bit in it where they're walking around this room lots of people all strangers in this retreat and the guy says i want you to stop and turn to the person nearest to you.

24:19Michael Douglas: And I want you to reflect yourself to that person, but not with words, just with your being. And Don Draper looks around the room and he looks at this kind of oldish woman, like a woman in her 70s turns and looks at him and he looks at her and she shoves him as if to say, you are not a good person. Because she says, I want you both to reflect back what you see. And she sees a bad person. And he's so upset that she's done this to him. and he doesn't know what to do with it, you know. And then he has this catastrophic breakdown where he realises that he hates himself, you know. He wants to be a good person, like he wants to be reborn as a better.

25:00Michael Douglas: Oh, my God, it's so big and so deep because you've been with this guy now for 10 years in the series, you know, and you've watched him behave appallingly. But you can see a man struggling to get out, you know. Anyway, there's a bit where the final moment in the episode, I'm not going to give it away, but he's sat cross-legged on a mountain meditating wow this little smile comes across his face and something happens and you realize at that point he has let go of all the things he wants to be and has become the thing he is he's surrendered into himself because you can't be somebody else you can only be you you know and he has an idea and bang that's the end of the show and it's just like you know like it's absolutely brilliant so you know if you've not watched man ben and you're watching at the moment go go go go go to write to the end fucking hell the final episode just you know if you were in touch with yourself properly you'll you'll totally get it wow that sounds amazing anyway so i really enjoyed watching something i've already seen before so i thought i do that again and joel my son has just started watching girls oh yes now girls is this uh lena dunham show that was on sky and hbo and probably about 10 or 15 years ago and he said i'm on season how good it is and I was like I'm going to watch it again so I watched the pilot before I came out and I was like fuck it is perfect telly half hour episodes yeah seven or eight seasons now this is the true version of sex in the city so if you liked sex in the city you thought it was good this will blow your brains about four girls in New York young girls I would say around about 23 24 way way edgier than sex in the city like real life real problems real it's sort of fleabag

26:44Davina McCall: in a gang it's totally like fleabag in a gang and it's full of real problems they're all kind

26:51Michael Douglas: of millennial types so a bit lazy bit entitled but they know it and they're dealing with sex and drugs and relationships and friendships between each other they treat each other like shit they love each other deeply you know like i'm only on episode three of season one and i'm like i i remember how good it is the other thing that is worth knowing is this is where adam driver came from so god he is a brilliant actor who went on to be a mega mega movie star this was his moment yeah i don't know if you know this or not but he was royal marine and he broke his sternum somehow cracked his chest oh wow so he had to leave the marines and then he went into acting this was his first gig and it blew up but adam driver in this is fucking sensational wow he is like a real man like he wears himself on his skin he says exactly what he thinks he says what he wants he he doesn't error he just like doesn't speak to her for two weeks because he's busy doing other things like he doesn't need to give her an explanation he just needs to do this thing you know like and she's learning to kind of navigate what it's like to be with this guy who's like everything as a bloke, you know.

27:56Michael Douglas: Honestly, if you're looking for something to watch and you've never seen this before, you've heard about it, it's produced by... Who's the famous producer and director who did all the big comedies like This Is 40 and all of that?

28:10Davina McCall: Oh, Judd Apatow. Judd Apatow.

28:12Michael Douglas: Judd Apatow's the creator. Wait, wait, wait.

28:15Davina McCall: I remembered.

28:17Michael Douglas: Yeah. Yeah, well done, because I did it all over the place.

28:19Davina McCall: If you don't remember something, and I do, I feel like that's such a major win because it's normally me forgetting and you remembering.

28:26Michael Douglas: So every time I sit down, I've got half an hour free, I think I'll do an episode of Girls. I'm so excited. Oh, wow, great. You learn stuff in it.

28:34Davina McCall: Can I dip in and out?

28:35Michael Douglas: Oh, easy dip in and out.

28:36Davina McCall: Oh, well, I'd love to watch a couple.

28:37Michael Douglas: Yeah, you'll watch a couple and you'll want to go back to the start and get into all the characters. They're just so good. And there's a lot to learn in that.

28:45Davina McCall: Is it more girl-friendly or boy-friendly? Will men, could a couple, let's sit down and watch it together. A couple could easily sit down and watch it together

28:50Michael Douglas: because there's a lot of kind of breakups in it where there's one girl in particular called Marnie and she's got a boyfriend who's great. I remember Marnie. She's just fallen out of love with him, really, and she's trying to break up with him. And he's so lovely, but the more lovely he is, the worse it is for her. So she's trapped in this thing. Yeah, she's got totally the ache. But, you know, men can relate to that, women can relate to that. So, yes, it's a total male-female thing. Don't worry about the fact that it's called girls. Anyway, it's brilliant. It's on Now TV. If you've got Now TV, it's available.

29:17Michael Douglas: You can buy it on Amazon, but it's a HBO thing. half hour episodes, about seven seasons, loads to go out. And from what I remember, it gets better and better and better, just like Mad Men did. Take a breath.

29:28Davina McCall: Shall we do shout outs?

29:30Michael Douglas: Yes. Well, I did want to do one more shout out for MD London, if that's all right. Oh, yes.

29:33Davina McCall: Yes, absolutely.

29:35Michael Douglas: So my business, MD London, is doing a little kind of competition-y type thing at the moment.

29:40Davina McCall: Oh, I posted about that in my stories today.

29:42Michael Douglas: And it's about user-generated content. So what we would like you to do is do your own hair and film it and post it and tag us in. and we'll repost it and at the end of each month in fact the end of each fortnight I will choose the best one and you will win a goodie bag of products and you can also come to the studio and I will do your hair and we will make the content together and I'll teach you how to put a curling or a waving or bonnie in your hair or whatever it is but we'll just have a bit of fun and make a bit of content but it's free to enter all you've got to do is make a bit of content do your own hair

30:11Davina McCall: and you could win all the products you haven't got already

30:13Michael Douglas: I'll do you a goodie bag of like 300 quids worth of stuff

30:16Davina McCall: wow

30:17Michael Douglas: oh my god And an invite to the studio. Once a fortnight, we'll do it. That's bigger. Because a lot of the content I make, and it'd be nice to see other people make content.

30:27Davina McCall: And it's good to see people doing their own hair. Yeah.

30:30Michael Douglas: Yes, it's brilliant. Yeah. That's what we're all about.

30:33Davina McCall: And we want people to feel like they could get something out of that.

30:35Michael Douglas: So go to MD London and follow it, make a bit of content, upload it, tag us into it or collaborate with us. Oh, that's so good. We'll put it on stories or collaborate, and then the winner will get to come in and we'll have a bit of fun.

30:46Davina McCall: And you will do their... oh yeah I'll do the hair but I will help them so like say they've done a curl but you think actually do you know what I could help them do an even better job

30:55Michael Douglas: or the hair might be a bit long for the thing they want to do they might want them to have a haircut I'll give it a bit of a cut or something you know just easy or easy so that's what's happening at the moment so go to MD London and you can find the post that'll do that yes shout out so I've got three put aside here that I think are good so Wendy Bell's his first one here so you want to read that one

31:15Davina McCall: yes so hi Michael and Davina I've been meaning to message for a while to say how glad I am that you're back. You are my Friday joy. Oh, Wendy. Thanks, Wendy. And pleased how well you are, Davina, after your surgery. Thank you, Wendy. I'm messaging to recommend Echo Valley. It's a thriller on Apple with Judy Ann Moore. Wow. I'd give it a 9 out of 10, but it's only 6.3 on IMDB. I was gripped. I'll sign off by saying me and my husband are in the car driving south to Oxfordshire and I bought the women's health magazine at the services. Mr. B nearly lost control of the wheel as I thrust the front cover pic of Davina in his face, both agreeing how bloody fantastic you look.

31:57Davina McCall: Oh, well, it takes a village because that was like Michael on hair, you know, Victoria on makeup. You're an inspiration to try and be the best version of ourselves. I really hope that we both are that, no matter our shape or size. Absolutely. Wendy, that's fucking great. Loved you both. Keep the pod coming, Wendy. thank you, Wendy, that's great thank you so much

32:18Michael Douglas: Julie Dawn says, hi Michael and Davina, glad you're back please don't leave us again I've just come back from my first ever visit to Liverpool for the weekend with my husband and I would like to recommend an independent bagel cafe called The Bagelry

32:31Davina McCall: what a great name

32:33Michael Douglas: they have two cafes in Liverpool and a good old Insta showed them as a reel, after I'd been talking about food in Liverpool the nearest one to us was in Chinatown it's a gorgeous place and the choices they offer were incredible. Lots of veggie and vegan options.

32:47Davina McCall: Oh, great.

32:48Michael Douglas: The staff were lovely and our bagels are off the scale. Delicious. Bosh! Well done, Julie. She's actually spelled out bosh.

32:57Davina McCall: But with lots of O's and lots of S's and C's. Boosh!

33:01Michael Douglas: 46 ,000 followers on Insta would highly recommend them. Keep up the brilliant work. Please tell Davina Long Lost Family, particularly Without a Trace. It's one of my favourite shows. I've also got a wave for Christmas and I love it.

33:12Davina McCall: Yay! and can I just also say Julie when you're recommending something to post a picture of what you're recommending so that we can see those bagels look absolutely amazing so that was a brilliant recommendation

33:28Michael Douglas: called the bagelry

33:29Davina McCall: the bagelry, thank you so much Julie that's great

33:32Michael Douglas: and then this is Kelly let me just get her name correct Kelly McClory just remember you like this band too They are playing in London on Thursday. Very excited to see them sending a last-minute recommendation with lots of love to you both. Who is this band? What's up, everybody? We made it to London. Woo!

33:51Davina McCall: We're playing Brixton Hootenanny Thursday night. Come on out. Love to see you.

33:56Michael Douglas: Bros Comatose. Bros Comatose. Oh, we'll have to have a look at them. What's up, everybody? We made it to them. I'm not sure. I know somebody else has recommended them. Bros Comatose. Okay, we'll have a little look at that. We are actually in a beef-er. So thanks Kelly McCrawley for that. We are going to a party this afternoon with some friends. Now this is an annual party that we go to. And our friends, it's a private party, but they normally hire Galavanter, which is where we got introduced to Galavanter, the DJ, which we've recommended about 20 times. But this year they've hired this DJ called Unders.

34:36Michael Douglas: now Unders was here a couple of years ago on the last party so he's brilliant so we will have a little shout out to Unders and we'll find a set list maybe and post it on next week's ep but this party last year was the party where I became Michael and I have been looking forward to this party for a year because it is the best group of people I have ever partied with

35:02Davina McCall: and ever spent time with

35:05Michael Douglas: and they have encouraged me over the last four or five years to become myself in a way that I never thought possible.

35:12Davina McCall: I think I saw the moment you became me. Because I was looking at you and you were dancing and you were completely on your own, completely in your element, not trying to get anybody's attention, just enjoying yourself with you. I can't believe it. And I thought, oh, I've never seen Michael look this happy. you looked so unbelievably at peace with yourself and that was when you said that was i felt like oh my god i've arrived yeah in myself like oh my god this is my call you know how amazing is that i'm a five foot five northern hairdresser who's 52 years old and never been happier

35:51Michael Douglas: and i was like bang so i remember thinking okay i'm gonna get myself into the perfect possible shape for this party this year yes and the last few days we've eaten really well very good we've exercised slept really well yeah we've exercised and we've swam we've got some sun on our bodies ourselves properly we are both in tip-top shape we are for the greatest party of the year yeah and i just wanted to share that with you all that we're thinking about you and thinking about life love the universe and everything and the soul this is your soul and our souls our souls yeah

36:27Davina McCall: we're a couple of our souls unders unders is on instagram oh and just as unders it's called unders music u-n-d-e-r-s music and he has 20 ,000 nearly 30 ,000 followers so let's get him to 30 ,000

36:42Michael Douglas: yeah let's do that lots of love everybody have a fantastic week love you we'll speak to you next week. Take care. Bye.

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