SERIES 15: Episode 8 - Rattle and Hum, Ministry of Sound Classical, Dom in the Kitchen, Lily Silverton

0:05Michael Douglas: Hello, hello. Hi. It is Saturday. We never really record on a Saturday. But today, ladies and gentlemen, we are free. We are alone. We have no kids and we have the house to ourselves.

0:18Davina McCall: Do you know what's funny? Yeah. Is how rarely that happens.

0:24Michael Douglas: Like it's unbelievable. You wouldn't believe just how little time we get together.

0:28Davina McCall: On our own.

0:29Michael Douglas: You know, on our own, where we haven't got stuff to do.

0:31Davina McCall: Yeah, where we're not working.

0:32Michael Douglas: Where, you know, it requires, like, not being, but doing, you know. But actually, we are going to be this afternoon. We're going to be. Oh, it's so exciting. But one of the things that we've both worked out is that if you do all the sufficient work, all the things you know you should do, then you get an opportunity to be. But if you don't, you just can't relax. You can't escape yourself. You can't escape all the fucking things you've not done. so we were like let's podcast let's go to the gym let's clean let's get ourselves healthy clean we had a fantastic breakfast a fantastic lunch yes and after this podcast we're going to chill it's just us it's just us oosh so we're really looking forward to it and oh yeah I mean I've got like songs I want to play for you things I want to tell you

1:23Davina McCall: I'm very excited about that stuff I want to show you

1:25Michael Douglas: I'm going to sing I'm going to sing at you I'm going to tell people about this song yeah yeah

1:28Davina McCall: Oh, great. Yeah, yeah.

1:30Michael Douglas: But I've got a song I've never sung before. I'll start with my first recommendation, really, is that I went to the gym this morning. Oh, yeah. And I was like, I need to be in the gym and be slightly distracted because if I concentrate too much on what I'm doing, I want to stop doing it, you know. It's probably not the right way to do it. But anyways, that's how I'm doing it at the moment. So I always try and choose an album that lasts about an hour and think, well, I'll work out for the whole of this record. If I ever get a bit bored of working out, I just tune into the music a bit or then tune out of it.

2:01Michael Douglas: I want to concentrate working out. So anyway, I decided to put Rattle and Hum on from U2. So we listened to a song last night and I forgot just how bloody good they were in the 80s. And why they became the biggest band in the world seems obvious now. But at the time, it was just like a lot of noise, you know. Anyway, I thought I'll put Rattle and Hum on. Now, Rattle and Hum is the accumulation really of everything they did up to the Joshua Tree. So they started in about 1980. and by 1987 they'd made the Joshua Tree which was the biggest album almost in the world ever at that point it was the biggest selling CD in the world ever at that point I'll tell you a little bit of trivia they might be interested in is that they had a manager called Paul McGuinness he was the fifth member of U2 and he was a warrior of a manager he was a huge fella you know he actually worked in the movie business but he was quite interested in bands and he picked U2 up and there's a really interesting story about them signing a contract and one thing.

2:52Davina McCall: Did you learn about that from Surrender?

2:55Michael Douglas: Yeah, there's a story in Surrender but I've known about Paul McGuinness because I was a big fan of U2. My step mum introduced me to U2 in about 1986 and then I ended up listening to The Joshua Tree and I was like, holy shit like my mind was just broken open as a young boy.

3:09Davina McCall: She was quite an influence musically, wasn't she? Oh, musically, mega

3:11Michael Douglas: Bruce Springsteen, The Style Council, The Jam

3:14Davina McCall: Wow.

3:15Michael Douglas: All that stuff. She was a lot younger than my mum so she had access to a slightly generation music, you know. Different music, yeah. anyway um when you two reached the joshua tree status they were just on fire you know they're literally like the songs and the art was pouring out of them and the joshua tree wasn't enough oh that was i was telling you a story wasn't it the manager had signed a deal with island records island records had bob marley and people like that major label but he'd signed a deal that basically said that the royalty rate to the record company was let's say it was 25 percent on vinyl and tape.

3:54Michael Douglas: But there was little clause that Paul McGuinness had put in the contract that said that any other musical medium, U2 would get a much bigger share of. Nobody knew what another musical medium was, but it was compact discs. And U2, selling the most compact discs in the world ever, bankrupted Island Records. And U2 ended up owning a chunk of Island Records because it was the only way Island Records could pay them.

4:21Davina McCall: No.

4:23Michael Douglas: Mad, that, isn't it?

4:24Davina McCall: Oh, my God, that's amazing.

4:26Michael Douglas: Yeah, it's a mega, like, business deal. Wow. One of the things I do love about Bono, and I'm going to prattle on about him a little bit in this episode, is that he is the only person, I think, who's managed to merge art and business into an acceptable form. For me, anyway, I know lots of people kind of slag him off because he moved one of his businesses to Switzerland, one thing or another. But he managed to live in a place where money and art co-existed. and that allowed them a certain amount of freedom. A lot of artists can't cope with it, you know.

4:57Davina McCall: We've talked about that a bit, about like why do people not like accept artists making money from their art? And it's as if something beautiful that is created we should have for free. Yes, yes. There is this opinion that we shouldn't have to pay for art.

5:13Michael Douglas: I have a theory about that. Yeah, go on. What's very interesting about most things that get made or produced is that they depreciate in value. So if you buy something or a car is created, it goes down in value the longer you have it, the older it gets. The peculiar thing about art is that it increases in value the older it gets. And that's where there's an, it feels like there's an unfair idea where it's like, oh, you've made this thing and it's going up in value, not because of you, but just because that's been received. And there's a reluctance to say, well, that money shouldn't be yours. it's gone up in value because of the people that have appreciated it it's their money in a way because they've loved it into being you know

5:58Davina McCall: it's very strange art but if somebody else has bought it and it goes up in value then I guess the person that bought it was a clever investment but I just feel like if somebody creates something beautiful and it has value and it's something that you've learnt and honed a skill over time then bully for you, like, well done.

6:19Michael Douglas: There is this propensity to feel that it's unfair that some people are artistic and some people aren't. But it's like, some people are mathematical, some people aren't, like,

6:31Davina McCall: I don't mind not being artistic and not being able to.

6:34Michael Douglas: Well, you're banging hearts, so you've got that. You know, and that just came for free to you. Unfortunately, I get the benefit of it. so I've put you off yeah you have just put me off so anyway I listened to Rattle and Hum this morning and I can in previous weeks I talked about the Hot House

6:59Davina McCall: can you just for anybody that doesn't really know all the U2 albums what tracks that we know would be on Rattle and Hum

7:06Michael Douglas: well Rattle and Hum is all the stuff that never made it onto the Joshua Tree which is the best album ever So it really...

7:12Davina McCall: Isn't that amazing that you could make a good album out of stuff that didn't make it onto another good album?

7:18Michael Douglas: So what it is is an amalgamation of songs that never made it onto the Joshua Tree and live recordings of the Joshua Tree tour. Oh, wow. So that's why there's a mixture of live songs on it and not so live. And then other kind of B-side-y type songs you wouldn't necessarily hear about. And one of them I'm going to talk about now. Anyway, it starts with Helter Skelter, which is a Beatles cover. There's two or three covers on this record as well. and it's a brilliant opener because Bono comes out and he's absolutely peak Bono, you know. He looks the best he ever looked. His hair's the best it ever was, you know.

7:52Michael Douglas: And he goes, this is a song Charles Manson stole from the Beatles. We're stealing it back. And he goes, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. And he was like, fuck. No, I'd never heard Helter Skelter before. This is the first time I'd heard it, you know, when I was 16. I was like, what is this song, you know? And it just blows up, blows your brains out, you know, and you're like, ah, and then Paul McCartney sings it originally in the Beatles, you know. But it was a song that Charles Manson said inspired his mass murders of the Tate family, you know, when he went into that house.

8:23Michael Douglas: So he'd said, oh, it was healthy. If you read the Manson book, he said, oh, God. Helter Skelter was that inspiring song that forced him to kill all those people, you know. Oh, Jesus. This whole thing that you two are stealing. Talk about ruining something. Yes, I know, a song, you know, it's absolutely nuts. Anyway, I was listening to this record and it brought back so many wonderful memories of me pretending to revise for my GCSEs when I was 16 by just sitting in Worden Park in Lail and drinking lager and having... My mum had this Seychelles cassette player and I used to steal it from the kitchen, put rattling on.

8:52Michael Douglas: Me, Giff and Addy would drink, you know, eight cans of lager each just sit in the sun pretending we were revising. But honestly, it was brilliant. But there was a song that comes on about eight or nine songs in. It's called Love Rescue Me. This is what I'm going to sing to you tonight. I'm just going to read you a few of the lines. He's going to sing to me tonight. Yeah. And what I love about Bono really is his ability to just sink into the song. Like he's not after clever metaphors or anything like Alex Turner would or anything. It's just like, here's the words, a bit Coldplay-esque in that sense, you know.

9:26Michael Douglas: So this is called Love Rescue Me. And it's a kind of song of redemption really about like realizing that you've not been good and it's time to clean up. and we've all been there you know we've not behaved properly and then you realize you've got to kind of confess to yourself and get your shit together anyway it says love rescue me come forth and speak to me raise me up and don't let me fall no man is my enemy my own hands imprison me love rescue me many strangers have i might on the road to my regret many lost who seek to find themselves in me they ask me to reveal the very thoughts they would conceal love rescue me and that's good isn't it brilliant and the sun in the sky makes a shadow of you and i stretching out as the sun sinks in the sea i'm here without a name in the palace of my shame love rescue me that's good as well in the cold mirror of a glass i see my reflection pass see the dark shades of what I used to be.

10:29Michael Douglas: I see the purple of her eyes and the scarlet of my lies. Love, rescue me. And there's this great bit where he says, I'll walk in the I'm not going to read all that bit. I'll read the final bit because it's so good. He starts singing big, you know, where he's really screaming it out and he says, I said, love climb up the mountains and said, love, I said, love oh my love on the hill on the hill of the sun I'm on the eve of the storm and my word you must believe in love. I said love rescue me and then it says this is just so good I've conquered my past the future is here at last. I stand at the entrance of a new world I can see.

11:13Michael Douglas: The ruins to the right of me will soon have lost sight of me. Love rescue me. I was in the gym this morning I was like fucking hell what? Trying to do a pull up you know tears down my face. I was like, fuck. And then I was thinking, I could sing this. I think I could sing it, you know, so you're going to get it tonight. But, ah, you know, like there is so much beauty inside a lot of commercialised pop, you know, that if you just scratch the surface of it a little bit, you can get access to it. And, ah, I fell in love with that record today. So you were looking for a record. I just want to say thank you

11:52Davina McCall: very quickly from all of us because I'm very guilty of having listened to U2 songs forever

11:58Michael Douglas: and not really saying the words but not hearing them. Yeah, yes, I understand.

12:03Davina McCall: And you've made me hear lyrics in a way that I never have done before. So thank you for that. Oh, it's a pleasure.

12:10Michael Douglas: And well done, Bono. He's actually a proper poet.

12:13Davina McCall: Yeah, I mean, really.

12:14Michael Douglas: But he's wrapped up in the edge and the larry and the machinery of U2. But, yeah, it's a special song, that. But if you're looking for an album to listen to just while you're pottering about the house today, put Rattle and Hum on from start to finish. The final song, All I Want Is You, is just a triumphant kind of confession of love. You know, it's brilliant.

12:36Davina McCall: No, no, don't apologise. I've got a very quick recommendation, but it's another musical one. It's a gig. And it is on the 12th and the 13th of June, 2026. It is going to be at the Royal Albert Hall. I love classical gigs at the Royal Albert Hall, but this is a classical gig with a difference because it is the Ministry of Sound Classical. And basically, it's Ministry of Sound teaming up with a 30-piece orchestra doing the very best club and house tunes that we all know and love, but with an orchestra. So it's like the huge organ. you've got like all the strings you've got it's absolutely breathtaking and it sounds so good anyway there are tickets available but those are the only two dates and it's next year at the Royal Albert Hall

13:38Michael Douglas: so get tickets

13:41Davina McCall: now we're going organise that already

13:44Michael Douglas: last night ladies and gents we just sat in our Oh my God, it was so good. We've got these amazing speakers. And then we just played three or four songs to each other. That we didn't know necessarily would sound great or anything. But it's like, let's see if we can just see, really get into the music. Like, so it's in your body, you know. You played that Weaver song. Weevil. Weevil, that's why. I was trying to find it today. I was putting in Weaver.

14:10Davina McCall: It's so good.

14:12Michael Douglas: And if you've got a decent pair of stickers at home, or if you haven't, try and get some or save up for some because there's something about the vibration and the frequency and the tone or something that when it gets into you yeah and i'm just amazed how that string vibrating on a violin or something you know goes into a cone of like a paper cone in a speaker yes then verberates out and goes into your ear and then your ear receives that vibration and then that sends a signal to your brain for you to interpret the sound and then

14:46Davina McCall: you're like what the fuck is going on like it's a miracle it is and it's absolutely nuts how um when you listen to something on a really good pair of speakers you can also hear hear kind of how the producer's mind is working or what they're trying to do and also you can hear the little hints the tiny bits that are added that you only get to hear either if you have it on really amazing headphones but I'd listen to Weevil on headphones and I thought my god we've got to play it on our speakers I really wanted you to share it because it's on one of our old playlists and so it's called Don't Lose Time

15:28Michael Douglas: Don't Lose Time by Weevil

15:30Davina McCall: W-E-V-A-L

15:32Michael Douglas: Do you know what, we really love this Coldplay song called Moon Music and it's the opening track to Moon Music. And it's a very simple little problem that Chris Martin presents himself with or you with. But I don't know if you've noticed, if you listen to it really carefully, you can hear his fingernails on the keys.

15:51Davina McCall: Yes, I have heard that. Yeah, it's nice, isn't it? But that's because we've listened to that so many times.

15:56Michael Douglas: But I love the fact that the microphones are so intense that you're picking up the sound, but also the tap of the finger on the piano.

16:05Davina McCall: I wonder whether it's a finger or whether it's the tap of the thing in the piano.

16:11Michael Douglas: No, it's definitely the finger. Yeah, because I can feel it when I play myself. One thing I'd like to know though is whether it's John Hopkins' fingers or Chris Martin's fingers. Don't know why I would like to know that. Oh yeah. Because John Hopkins makes the moon music with it and John Hopkins plays the piano. So I do wonder if he played piano on that or not. My next one is, oh, let's talk about Dom in the Kitchen's book. Oh, yes. So Dom is a really good old friend of yours. Yeah. He's called Dominic Franks. And his partner is Andy. Andy the Viking. Yes. Yeah, yeah. That's exactly what his name is.

16:45Michael Douglas: So you can go and follow Dominic Franks. It's Dom in the Kitchen on Instagram. But he's basically been a self-taught cook, as far as I can tell. He just loves cooking. And he's got a bit kind of flamboyancy about him. They're a husband and husband team. but Dom seems to be predominantly the chef. I think Andy's kind of retired, basically, isn't he? Just being a loving and supporting partner.

17:08Davina McCall: He's called Andrew McDonald.

17:10Michael Douglas: Andrew McDonald.

17:11Davina McCall: Yes.

17:12Michael Douglas: He was in Coronation Street, old Andy McDonald.

17:15Davina McCall: And basically, just to let you know, Dominic, Andy and I used to run clubs together.

17:21Michael Douglas: Okay, so you're all...

17:22Davina McCall: Back in the early 90s, late 80s.

17:25Michael Douglas: Similar ageing raiders.

17:25Davina McCall: So we are, I think I'm probably older than both of them, But they were a huge part of my life back then. And then I went off and I became a mum and I didn't see them for ages. But we still stayed in touch, but we just didn't see each other very much. And then just recently in the last few years, I've kind of keep bumping into them a bit more. We met them at the airport. We met them on a flight. It was really, really good fun. Saw them a couple of weeks ago at a party. It was just so good to see them. And, you know, it's a bit like when you talk about your friends from Leyland. I think there are friends that you have from when you were younger.

17:58Davina McCall: that are historic friends that you will never not be friends with. It doesn't matter if you see them once every five years or whatever. They are still really, they know you.

18:06Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah, they do. They know the real you. I always find it mad when people go, oh, you haven't changed a bit. Like you see someone you were at school with and you say, God, you're exactly the same. And I'm like, am I like, I just can't remember who I was at school.

18:19Davina McCall: Yeah.

18:20Michael Douglas: But they go, you know, you're just the same. And I'm like, I was this, I was like this then.

18:24Davina McCall: What we all are now is more confident in ourselves. That's what happens, basically.

18:33Michael Douglas: It's interesting, this theory about memory as well, about why you have a memory. Why do you remember things like, and why do you remember some things more than others, you know? And someone was saying, oh, your memory is to keep you alive, you know, so you remember things so it keeps you safe, you know, so you know not.

18:53Davina McCall: I did feel very vulnerable when I had no short-term memory.

18:56Michael Douglas: Well, because you had no short-term memory, right? So you're left exposed a bit. I didn't know if I'd eaten.

18:59Davina McCall: I didn't know who I'd seen. If somebody said to me, I saw you this morning, I would have had to have believed them, but I didn't know if it was true or not.

19:05Michael Douglas: But there's this idea that somebody had said about PTSD, like people suffer with PTSD because the memory keeps reoccurring and it puts you back there and it puts you in a state of stress and anxiety. And it was this idea that you hadn't necessarily learnt all of the valuable lessons in the experience.

19:26Davina McCall: So you need to go and do it again.

19:27Michael Douglas: So you keep being reminded of it because there's more information in there yet. And only once you've learned all of the things from the experience will it go away, which is why you go into therapy. It's like you have to look into the darkness. Yes, exactly that. But that's probably not a bad example of why it's easier to remember horrible things but not happy things. because you don't need to remember happy things. They don't keep you safe. They just kind of keep you happy, but you don't need happiness. You need safety.

19:58Davina McCall: I tend to remember big experiences.

20:04Davina McCall: Anyway, let's talk about Dom's book because it's a really nice idea, this book.

20:09Michael Douglas: I'll just read a little bit of the introduction because it's quite good. So welcome to Upside Down Cooking, the book that flips the art of cooking on its head so you don't have to. In May 23, inspired by my foodie world on social media and my love of everything wrapped in pastry. I'd say I have to agree with him. I fucking love pastry. If I go to someone's house for dinner and they make like beef wellington, I'm like, we're coming fucking back here.

20:32Davina McCall: Do you want me to make you a beef wellington?

20:34Michael Douglas: I don't know. Can you make beef wellington?

20:35Davina McCall: I don't know.

20:35Michael Douglas: Yeah, I can. Yeah. Or like salmon on croot.

20:38Davina McCall: Yeah, I can do that.

20:40Michael Douglas: Like upmarket Greggs, basically, is what I want. Or Greggs. I don't mind.

20:45Davina McCall: Wait, can I tell you something? Can I tell everybody something? Yeah, yeah, go on. Yesterday you sent me a picture of like some salmon and some olives and some cheese on a plate. And you were like, who am I? Or what have I become? And I was in a car on my way back from a long lost family shoot. And I stopped off at a service station for a wee. And I really, really wanted to find a Greggs and take a picture of me with a sausage roll. And say, who am I? Who am I?

21:16Michael Douglas: You've become your true self. Yeah, brilliant. My love of everything pastry. I created an upside down caramelised onion tart, the video of which I posted on Instagram. Nothing particularly incongruous about that. And to be honest, despite my usual predisposition to procrastination, I did well reading those words. Well done.

21:33Davina McCall: That was very, very good.

21:34Michael Douglas: I didn't think about it too deeply. I gave it my twist, adding a layer of luscious salted cream cheese. Oh, my God. That lent a wonderful riches to the tart. Filmed it and uploaded it. anyway I think that video went absolutely gangbusters 6 ,000 comments 800 ,000 saves 1.2 million likes 100 ,000 new followers you know I think he was like oh I want to do something here it's so nice when you do something put it out there and then the response is more please more like I'll have more and then you're like oh I've got I know what I'm doing now you know

22:04Davina McCall: well obviously a ta-ta-ta is an upside down pudding

22:07Michael Douglas: yes okay so

22:09Davina McCall: I think this idea is very very good and it sounds difficult but it's not at all.

22:15Michael Douglas: But there are so many good things in this book so it's called Upside Down Cooking by Dominic Franks.

22:19Davina McCall: And bear in mind it's my favourite thing, it's in one pot.

22:22Michael Douglas: Yeah, it's all one pot or one tray. You know, it's like so easy. He sent us this book and they sent us the tray but all these little tarts. Look at that. You know, there's another one there's one in here that I saw. Look at the little, I mean oh my god. It was sausage and onion. Holy shit.

22:35Davina McCall: So good.

22:35Michael Douglas: I can find it because I was just like, fuck I'm making that. There, oh look at that.

22:40Davina McCall: Oh my god. So they're

22:41Michael Douglas: I split sausages with onions caramelized. And it looks like toad in the hole, but it's actually pastry, not batter.

22:48Davina McCall: Yeah, oh my God.

22:49Michael Douglas: Sausage and red onion mustard tarts. So I just want to say congratulations to Dom because I was... Yes, well done. We were there at the very beginning of your journey of cooking. Because I remember following you on Instagram when we started this podcast.

23:00Davina McCall: Yeah.

23:01Michael Douglas: And it's been brilliant to watch you go from strength to strength. Yeah. This book is fantastic. Well done, Dom. If you love a bit of cooking, you love a bit of pastry, go for it.

23:11Davina McCall: And go follow Dom in the Kitchen on Instagram.

23:14Michael Douglas: Upside down cooking. Great work.

23:16Davina McCall: I want to talk to you about Lily Silverton. So this is a woman who has done something really easy, really simple to follow, a really practical stress buster. And, you know, I'm always talking about how do we de-stress our lives because stress is going to make us sick. and it's so important to breathe and relax but our lives are so busy and we're so distracted by our phones and our kids and our work and stresses and money and war and I mean god it's like overwhelming if you start thinking about it too much so you need to stop thinking I always kind of think this is slightly doing her a disservice because it says Lily's a mindset and life coach, stress management consultant, speaker, journalist, columnist and podcaster.

24:06Davina McCall: But I feel like that isn't enough. Yeah, OK. She's actually doing, she's started a thing called the Priorities Method. And she's got these two books she sent to me. Oh, yeah. One is a five minute journal. So it is one, you know how normally if somebody gives you a book and they go write a journal.

24:28Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah.

24:29Davina McCall: And then you're thinking, oh, look, this is so easy for other people to talk about, but I don't know what to write. This basically has headlines every day. It's I am grateful for what would make today great. A daily affirmation highlights of the day. What did I learn? So this is the morning. This is the evening. Now, it has been said that 15 minutes of handwriting every day is amazing for your brain. The fact that we've all forgotten how to handwrite and we're all just touch typing is not good for our brains. And we need to remember to learn or not to learn, but to keep writing. But she sent me a copy of her book called The Priorities Method.

25:07Davina McCall: And a bit like the journal, it is a way of writing down. You tell yourself you like this. There's an epic, epic, epic Titus quote at the beginning. he was a stoic philosopher and it says first tell yourself what kind of person you want to be

25:29Michael Douglas: then do what you have to do isn't that the thing we're always saying yeah well is it first tell yourself the kind of person you want to be oh god like and then do what you have to do to get there right i have this phrase at the moment which you know which is who could you be who could you be who could you be you know like it just keeps floating around my mind you know who could you be yeah well that's the question that only you can answer yeah but i'm asking you yeah well i'll

25:55Davina McCall: tell you later okay um so there's bits here positive change visualizations she talks about that creating a ritual take yourself on a date i love that sunday afternoon curled up next to the fire cozy pub glass of red wine quiet cafe hot coffee slice of cake like take yourself on a date or create a DIY retreat at home. Sort of you can make your little retreat. So light a candle, meditate, practice a bit of yoga. Do you know what I mean? These kind of treat yourself how you would treat a friend or how a retreat would treat you. But why can't you do that for yourself? And it's about how to... The priorities method is about setting yourself.

26:38Davina McCall: Are you a priority? And making sure that you're in good shape to navigate the world sort of thing. Anyway, in this book, it tells you what to write and it's got space for you to write things down. So there's one on the past. There's one on the present. What your ideal week would look like. Feeling stuck. My priorities, my purpose, my future, looking back on my life, my life and touch. I mean, this book is absolutely brilliant. And then weekly overview. It gives you some prompts. It gives you goals to write down and micro goals, habit trackers, my top priorities for this week. It's a really, really, really good book.

27:19Davina McCall: It includes handwriting. You have to write things down yourself, which is like your 15 minutes a day. So we know that's good for your brain. Yes. And it's also it's basically all around manifesting. So it's by Lily Silverton. She is the founder of the Priorities Method. you can follow her on Instagram look up lily underscore Silverton but this is a really really really nice way of organising your brain brilliant what's it called the priorities method journal I'm pretty sure if you follow her on Instagram she will I'm going to start doing that

28:00Michael Douglas: what I like about that really is that it's not just a journal it's an encouraging journal Like some people just need some encouragement, really. And that requires some thoughtful and convincing words just to get behind you a bit.

28:15Davina McCall: You know, I hadn't thought about that, but that is exactly what this is. And also, rather than a journal being I've had a terrible day today and somebody wasn't nice to me in the supermarket. It's it's a it's you're right. It's positive action. So it's like my top priorities.

28:31Michael Douglas: Yeah.

28:32Davina McCall: It's not like what bad things are. Micro goals. Things I can do to improve the week. Joyful moments. I love the joyful moments. And then reflections and the things I want to do that you can check off.

28:44Michael Douglas: Do you know what the word sin means?

28:47Davina McCall: Sin?

28:47Michael Douglas: Yeah.

28:48Davina McCall: No.

28:48Michael Douglas: It means to miss the mark.

28:51Davina McCall: Oh, I didn't know that.

28:52Michael Douglas: It means that you've not aimed.

28:53Davina McCall: When did you look that at you? I don't know. It's just been in my mind for a long time.

28:57Michael Douglas: Somebody had said it in a thing. but you know just these things kind of capture my imagination I just store them up but I really like this idea that it's it's uh you've set a bad aim or a bad goal yes and then you've missed it as well you know and that's the sin it's like you've not done what you said you would do well we talk

29:17Davina McCall: about that a lot about how it makes us both feel yeah when you that's why we did the things today Yeah, yeah. So we can really feel good this afternoon.

29:27Michael Douglas: That's really, I wanted to say that just so people understood that what you aim at is deeply important. What you said you're going to do, you know, make sure is a thing that's of real value to you and everybody around you, you know.

29:41Davina McCall: This is literally one of the reasons why I started Own Your Goals because it's like set a little goal and, you know, and that's what the challenge is there to do on the website. The challenge is there because we are saying, here's four training sessions. They're only 15 to 20 minutes long. We really think you can do this every week.

30:01Michael Douglas: Okay.

30:02Davina McCall: And that's the goal. Yeah. You know, these challenges are sort of, but it's also do what you can. Yes. You know.

30:09Michael Douglas: Yeah, I'm sure somebody said, I might be wrong about this, so we might have to look at it, but they said it was an archery term. To sin was to miss the mark.

30:16Davina McCall: Oh, okay. That's really interesting. Yeah, it is, isn't it?

30:18Michael Douglas: You know, but it's quite a nice little visualization.

30:21Davina McCall: You do a shout out and I'm going to look up Sin.

30:25Michael Douglas: We're on 31 minutes, aren't we? I just want to say, Ross Taylor last week sent us a little thing that we did a shout out on. Oh, is that about... Yes. Live Aid at 40. Oh my God. Thank you, Ross. I've got something to show you, which I sent you on Instagram, but I don't think you watched. So we watched Live Aid at 40. Now, you can watch the actual concert that's on there, but there's a three-part series on there with Bob Geldof and Bono and Tony Blair and all various other characters. George W. Bush is in there as well. I mean, some mega interviews. I just, I want to say thanks to Ross for pointing it out.

31:00Michael Douglas: And I bloody loved every single bit of it. But there's a really great bit. I mean, everybody knows I'm a bit of a fan of Bono anyway, but there's an amazing bit in it when Tony Blair says, look, you know, politics is messy and it's difficult. And what Bob and Bono were trying to do was unbelievably hard. But he said they probably, in the end, saved maybe 30 million lives. There are 30 million people alive today because of what they did, yeah. And, you know, you just, you can't even picture what that looks like. It's like half the UK, you know, like it's fucking massive. And you realise how cantankerous Bob was and how annoying Bob was.

31:46Michael Douglas: Yeah, he was amazing, wasn't he? And the digging and digging. Yes. I'm going to show you something.

31:49Davina McCall: Is it that?

31:50Michael Douglas: Yeah.

31:51Davina McCall: Shall I play it?

31:51Michael Douglas: Yeah, play it. I was a high school senior in 1985, so Live Aid was my Woodstock. You know, the moments in this documentary that made me the most emotional was remembering a country that could rally around starving children on the other side of the world. And that was cool and was part of the MTV generation and it was easy to get swept up in this. And how far we seem from that today. It's 12 noon in London, 7am in New York. He plays. This is an interview with Bob Gell-Wassler, the American Paris talk show host. After Live Aid, we got in today's money the equivalent of about$480 million within a week.

32:28Last November in Montreal, my wife ordered breakfast. She got a call saying, is it all right? I'm not your normal waiter guy. Can I come and say hello to your husband? And he said, hello. He said, I just wanted to say hello to you. And I said, yeah, hey, man. I said, you look like an Ethiopian. He said, yes, yes. And he stood up straight and he said, I wanted to thank you very much. And I said, thank you, you know. And he said, I had no idea who my parents are. He said, they died. But someone put me in a Band-Aid hospital and Band-Aid paid for to make me better. And then I was brought up in a Band-Aid orphanage.

33:12and he said I made my way to Paris and I studied catering and he said and I came here and I said great well done congratulations you know are you married you got a family he said yes I married an Ethiopian girl and he pulled out his thing and he showed me he put it in his pocket and he paused and then he just ran forward and clutched me he didn't hug me and he came up about here and he buried his head in my chest and he said thank you for my sons thank you for my life so even if it was for that guy just that guy imagine what that would feel like 40 years worth it imagine what an unbelievable experience

33:58Michael Douglas: you know for Bob and all the criticism but can I also just say

34:05Davina McCall: imagine for that man thinking there is the man

34:09Michael Douglas: I can't believe it because God Wow, God So good but you must watch episode 3 Will you watch it again with me? I'd love to watch it again because it's the real meat and bones of like Bono and Geldof getting into politics with Bush

34:28Davina McCall: Well we owe a massive thank you, thank you so much

34:34Michael Douglas: If you haven't watched that 3 part documentary then just go and immerse yourself Yeah, that was a really good recommendation. Thanks, Ross. You forget these kind of egocentric pop stars. You've got to forgive them their ego and allow them to do the thing that they can do with their power.

34:52Davina McCall: Well, I think you forgive anybody anything if they do use their platform for good, and they really did.

34:59Michael Douglas: Okay, thanks everybody. We've got a couple of shout-outs here. Joe Shaler said, Hi both, just wanted to thank you, Michael, for your recommendation to go and watch Girls.

35:09Davina McCall: Oh, great.

35:11Michael Douglas: How I Have Missed This. It is superb. Adam Driver is amazing. All of them, to be honest.

35:17Davina McCall: Oh, she said, How Have I Missed This? So she's not seen it before.

35:20Michael Douglas: Oh, I thought you was watching it for the second time. No, she's not seen it. Cannot stop watching. Oh, great. Thank you. Just wanted to mention all the series on Sky Comedy too.

35:26Davina McCall: Oh.

35:28Michael Douglas: All series are on Sky Comedy. Okay, yeah. That's so good. It's so special, girls. Thanks, Jo. Yeah. Nicola Mailing

35:36Davina McCall: Hi D &M So lovely to hear about your Glastonbury experience Made me well up with emotion to hear how it moved you Michael I wanted to recommend the Henley Literary Festival Specifically my sister-in-law Carolyn Mailing Is speaking about her book The Future is Rosie On Sunday the 12th of October Michael you did her hair on Katie Piper's show And Carolyn is still sporting the curly style you did so well for her Fantastic, how great. Donna Ashworth is speaking on the same day. Love the pod. Love hearing both of you speak so lovingly and genuinely. It's the highlight of my week when you're posting episodes.

36:16Davina McCall: Thanks, Nicky. Thanks, Nicky. We love doing this. Yeah, that's why we felt.

36:20Michael Douglas: We absolutely love it. We felt a bit guilty when we miss a week. Because, you know, it's something for us to do. But we appreciate that everybody else seems to love it as well. Claire Palmer says, Hi, Davina and Michael. I would like to recommend a fantastic four-part TV programme on BBC One, no, BBC iPlayer called Mixtape. Oh. It's brilliantly written and the music is so good. All 80s classics, the storyline and the characters draw you right in from the beginning. I know you will both love it. Oh, love it. I just want to say I absolutely love the podcast. Bang. Claire Palmer, that's brilliant.

36:54Michael Douglas: So Mixtape, I think a few people have mentioned this in the past as well, which we've not seen. But if it's a four-parter, that's pretty good. Yeah, we love that. We can get through that, can't we? okay folks what a brilliant summer it is being so far i mean it's a bit drizzly today but i looked out into the garden and you could see all the plants and trees just like it was like they'd all been given a barocca yeah and they were like they were loving it and then the sun has just crept out a little bit and you can see all the trees plants going like oh like all the rain and sun yeah all that energy it's like bang bang bang it's just like wow you know i felt so good for the garden.

37:29Michael Douglas: Should we tell them what we're doing on Friday? I can't even remember what we're doing on Friday. Oh! I think maybe we should tell them. I hope it's... I hope on Thursday it is, I think we're doing it. On Thursday, I hope there's sunshine. And it's not in the morning glory.

37:52Davina McCall: So we can record our next podcast on Thursday because we'll be away the week

37:56Michael Douglas: after oh yeah so we'll do it this week yeah okay yeah yeah okay we might have to we might have to pause for a couple of weeks yeah yes we've got quite a lot going on with the summer and all that i did say we'd probably take a couple of couple of weeks off in the summer we'll see how we get on okay have a great weekend everybody whenever you're listening to this and yeah lots of love take care bye