SERIES 16: Episode 2 - Blackadder, Menopausing, Jo Loves, Can You Keep a Secret, Tuddenham Mill

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0:41Michael Douglas: Hello everybody, welcome to Making the Cud with me, Michael Douglas. And me, Davina McCall. Should I say Davina Douglas? I mean, choose, you're an AKA. I think on, like in public, I am Davina McCall. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think you've always been. I'm always, I've always been. You've always been Davina McCall to me. Yeah, yeah. You just happen to be my wife now. Yeah, exactly. I'm going to stay like that. Yeah, okay, great. Okay. Stay my wife. Yeah, forever. You're going to stay that. Yeah, yeah, okay, great, yeah. Good, that was the deal. So brace yourself. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hello, everybody, all right?

1:16Michael Douglas: This is the Trip Advisor for Your Life, apparently. We're going to tell you about things that will hopefully improve your life or your day. Or cheer you up a bit. Give you a smile. Yeah. Help you. Mm-hmm. make you feel good? I just heard something that made me feel quite good. I was listening to this thing on Radio 4 and there was a woman talking about how, about nostalgia, about what it means and why people at certain points in the year or whatever feel more nostalgic than others and they've done some scientific research on nostalgia. I didn't hear that bit because there was lots of other things going on but I'm interested in the word nostalgia.

1:53Michael Douglas: I think it's like a Greek or a Latin word. Can I just say something quite funny? Yeah. Look what I just typed in. What is it? Where does the word nostalgia come from? Oh yeah, see, because I did know this. It comes from the Greek word nostos and aljos. And is it like painful memory or something? Homecoming. Okay. And pain. And pain, yeah. So I'm feeling like you're coming home, but there's something a little bit painful about it. Because it's funny nostalgia. Oh wow, that is brilliant. Go on. The pain of wanting to return home. Ah, okay. That nostalgia is that feeling of, I want to get back. To go back, yeah.

2:30Michael Douglas: Because it's a memory, basically, isn't it, it would seem. I enjoy nostalgia quite a bit. I remember listening to an interview with Paul Weller, and he was like he didn't want to look back. He only wanted to look forward. So this journalist had showed him some pictures of him when he was in the jam, you know, and he said, how does it feel looking at these pictures of yourself as a young man? He said, I don't feel anything, you know, not interested in the past. I like the past, you know. It's painful though sometimes. It is, yeah. Because whenever I see you look at old pictures, you always seem a little bit sad.

3:03Sad, yeah.

3:04Michael Douglas: I look at old pictures of my kids when I see them like at nine or ten. Oh my God, you get really sad when you see your kids young because I think you want to go back and do it all again. It's a lovely, warm kind of pain. I guess that we did experience those times, you know, and there was something so nice about it. Yes. About the fact that that was a thing we actually did, you know. Yes. but I like I like nostalgia anyway she'd said this thing which I thought was funny I thought I'd share it with you all where she said people will look back when times are difficult you know because they look back to a time where things were nice you know or fun or whatever and she said a lot of people will say oh you know we're living in unprecedented times oh yes and she said yeah when was the last time you lived in a unprecedented time exactly you know like can we go back to all the precedented times there was it's really made me laugh because i thought yeah like nobody ever says that we're living in a precedented time the moment but it got me thinking about that idea about the idea of a precedented time and you could argue that now is the greatest time anyone has ever lived you know and i think about like people trying to raise a disabled child or something like that how difficult that must be but how much more difficult it was 20 years ago or 40 years ago or 60 years ago and if somebody had offered you the solution as limited as it is today compared to what you were getting 30 years ago you would take it in a heartbeat I would have thought but it's very hard to position yourself in that mindset to say I should be grateful really but even though my life's difficult it could be way harder as it would have been 30 40 years ago you know I was trying to bear that in mind a little positive spin on things that actually we're living in the greatest time in human history it's never been better even for the for the sorry the the most difficult times for people now you know i do think that um what's quite funny is that i am becoming like my parents were i am constantly hankering for the old the good old days in particular you know now that we've rediscovered clubbing in a nightclub without a phone.

5:20I just hate phones in clubs. It's ruining music.

5:26Michael Douglas: I think me and you have both adopted this. Like on New Year's Eve, we hosted a party. I haven't got a single picture of New Year's Eve. No. I didn't have my phone with me all night. I never even thought about it. I was having such a good time. We're now in a group of people where phones are actually a bit frowned upon. you know like if we're going to Chloe's house on Saturday night and I know no one will have their phone out on Saturday night yes or you might see one at some point but they're just quite like that like let's just yeah it's like an unwritten rule because nobody's ever said to me put your phone away but like when I've got it out yeah I do see people look as if to say don't get it out you know and I think yeah I won't you know it's really nice that yeah it's so funny i always thought like i'm never going to be like that i'm never going harp on about the old days sometimes i do my kids have both said to me you lived in the greatest time ever no internet the 80s bmxing skateboarding brain dancing encyclopedia britannica of course 24 editions.

6:32Michael Douglas: All my information came from Encyclopedia Britannica and the Guinness Book of Records. You know. Same. And my history knowledge came from watching Blackadder. Yeah, and your history knowledge is really... And Dance Now. Because they actually portrayed the correct timeline of history, which is with jokes. Right. So what's a way... Like, if you wanted to know something about the First World War, you could just watch Blackadder the Four. Yes. There was actually loads of stuff in there that gave you an insight to what that was like for everybody. That's quite a good recommendation. I wonder if that's on telly anywhere.

7:04Michael Douglas: It must be on. Must be? Yeah, somewhere. A little dig around. Okay, we'll have a look out for you and see if we can find it. I can't remember. I was somewhere recently and somebody put Blackadder on the telly. Blackadder II. And I thought, this is good. With Lord Flashart, played by Rick Mayall. I'd love to go and watch that again. I watched it decades ago. Yeah. Can we do that? Yeah, absolutely. Okay, great. Blackadder IV, I think, is probably the greatest. Shall we start with that? Yeah. Or should we go... Prince George was good, which is Blackadder III. Oh, my God, yeah, that was so funny. That was really good, wasn't it?

7:38Michael Douglas: And then you had Queen Elizabeth. Elizabeth, yeah. Miranda? Yeah, Miranda. Miranda, what was she called? Zoya? No, that was a different Miranda. I did her hair a few times. Anyway, we drifted off tact, but let's say recommendation of Blackadder. My first recommendation actually is a Facebook page that I have set up. Yeah. And it's free. Yeah. So I'm not benefiting from it. Yeah, yeah, great. But women around the country will benefit from it. So I set up a Facebook page maybe a year ago, that might even be two years ago now, called Menopausing. Oh, of course, yeah. is to go with the book and it is a support group for perimenopausal and menopausal women to go and talk to each other, talk through ideas, talk through feelings, talk through fears, ask questions, post scientifically proven information.

8:44And I have got somebody who is what at the admin yeah on my page called jane and james and she is a really amazing woman she works in conjunction with the therapists at menopause care which is dr naomi potter's company and she helps support women as a kind of like go between yeah you know or if anybody's got any questions she can answer them she's just not actually a doctor yeah yeah she knows a lot so she's on the page and she's making sure that it's a safe place for everybody to be I have had a difficult year last year but I'm going to be a lot more plugged into that page this year I want to help women on there and come back I'm coming back to the page ladies but only for that actually Yeah.

9:43Michael Douglas: It's funny how Facebook has become a very unfashionable place. It's not that it's unfashionable for me. I just can't. I can't invest in. I mean, Instagram takes hours of my day. Yeah, you've got to choose one or two. I can't. I watch telly on Twitter with people. So I watch The Masked Singer with people on Twitter. I do most of my social media posting on Instagram and I just do Facebook menopausal I don't do anything else I don't answer any Facebook messages or anything Yeah we're trying to do quite a bit of TikTok at the moment but like you said you know as you're committed to Instagram in such a big way and you've got all these very loyal followers that are now customers I feel like not indebted to them but I want to say thank you and offer this advice and then you run on TikTok, I feel like I'm being disloyal to all these people that are loyal to me, you know.

10:37Michael Douglas: It's crazy really. Can you do anything on Instagram, like a shop? Yeah, yeah, you do Instagram shopping. You do live. Yeah, we didn't really do it like we do on TikTok. No. TikTok's turned into this big retail thing, so we're encouraged to do that by the industry really. But, you know, Andy will say, well, why don't you, let's announce it on Instagram that we're going live on TikTok. And I'm a bit like, there's not any point. And also it somehow feels like. Yes, but you're just taking your customers from one place and putting them somewhere else. I'll just talk to them on Instagram. The whole point is to grow a new audience, not just take the old audience with you.

11:09Michael Douglas: It's really interesting, isn't it? But it is busy. We've been working together, ladies and gentlemen, today, me and David and I. We've done a big photo shoot for some products I've got coming out, which I will talk about when they come out. It was really exciting. Yeah, we had a lovely day. It was so good, wasn't it? The one thing I like about it is watching you work and then you watching me work and then we're working together on this harmonious thing, really. It was really nice. And I want to publicly say, I might start crying. Oh, steady. I want to publicly say how proud I am of you. Like, watching you work, and I always think about you

11:55from Leyland and all your mates and everything, and watching you grow up and leaving the place that you grew up in and that you felt safe in and coming to London. And only people that have set up a business know how terrifying that is and how hard it is and how many barriers there are to get through and how brilliantly you're doing. You're just doing so well. And the obstacles that you faced last year in your business was so overwhelming. and you've really turned a massive corner.

12:31Michael Douglas: You've literally, like, begun again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Inspired by podcasting. You know, in the most brilliant, brilliant way. So well done you. I just think it's interesting. I remember having my first meeting with my kind of lead investor, the guy who decided to chuck some money at me. And he made a decision very quickly. but um i was like i wonder what the decision was made on or what it was made about but he did say look i invested in you yeah you know not the business but you think well what what is it about me or somebody like me do you think i'm gonna do do you know what's funny yeah everyone listening will go i know yeah yeah i'm still a bit unsure but we but don't worry yeah listeners we all know don't we we know it's very interesting um and when i saw him just before christmas i said look i'm going to make some big changes at my business and fire a couple of people, hire some new people, you know, push somebody out.

13:30Michael Douglas: And he said, okay. He said, great. He said, I've been waiting for this, you know? And I said, really? And he said, yeah. He said, most people reach this point and then, and then just give up because you have to do something extremely difficult. And most, most people don't have the stomach for it. And then he said, well well done, Michael, you're at level seven. Oh my God, I love that. I was like, I feel like I'm levelling up. I love that. Oh my God, that's so good. And I think about all the businesses he's invested in all the people, Charlotte Tilbury being one of them and how he must have watched her go through these stages where you've got to fire some people or break people's hearts or get rid of people.

14:12Michael Douglas: You know, and it's honestly, it's like going through a divorce or something. It's such a brutal thing. But I realised part of the journey, You know, if you want a business that's helpful for its customers and all those people that work there, you just have to make these really difficult decisions. It's been kind of life-altering, really, as you realise that you're capable of much more. I remember somebody once saying, you know, you're blind. People are blind to their weaknesses, but they're also blind to their strengths. And that's a really interesting thing is you don't really know what you're capable of until you have a goal.

14:49but isn't it funny how doing the difficult thing is so respected because it is a difficult thing oh yeah i was telling you earlier about being at a narcotics anonymous yes taking on too many tea commitments saying i'd make tea at every meeting and then having to go back and turn say i'd like to hand in my tea commitment i just can't do it yeah and instead of people going bloody hell what are we going to do we've got no one to make the tea next week the old timers came up to me and went well done and I was like oh wow and that I think Mark saying that to you has made you think oh this is what I have to do in life go with the good times and go with the difficult times you know sometimes you've got to do difficult

15:36Michael Douglas: things and that is it Ryan Holiday that's got a book called The Obstacle is the Way that's so weird I recommended that on Begin Again yesterday. Yes, well you've recommended it on this podcast maybe two years ago or something now. Well he just recommended everything Ryan Holiday. Yeah, he was brilliant. So go check any of his books out, they're brilliant. But that has just been resonated with me a lot recently is that it's all the things you don't want to do, those are the things you should do. Yes. That's it. Absolutely. It's kind of simple but hard. Yes.

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16:47So we had Jo Malone on Begin Again.

16:50Michael Douglas: I remember. Really liked her. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you did really like her. I've met her. She loved me. I'm going to start crying again. There's something wrong with me at the moment. So I loved talking to her, but there was something about her that she's a very caring person. So she tapped into me feeling a bit vulnerable, I think, at the moment. And kind of checked in with me a bit. And she's just that person. She's very caring. She's always like, come over and see us, come and stay. You know, she's just absolutely lovely. I messaged her and I told her about an idea that Tilly had told me, my daughter Tilly.

17:35And she said, what about getting, because I wear a scent every day. But she said, what about getting a different scent for your wedding day? Yes. So that every year you can wear that scent on your wedding anniversary. And it will bring back, because scent is so evocative.

17:56Michael Douglas: Amazing, yeah. It will bring back your wedding day. And I just interviewed Jo about Jo Loves and starting this amazing business. Yeah. And her sense of smell and what it can bring and how evocative it is. And I thought, that's where I'm going. This is a sign. So I messaged Jo and I said, Jo, my daughter Tilly's had an amazing idea. You should kind of do this, like provide a service for like a wedding service where you'll found your wedding scent. But then I went on to Jo Loves website. after I'd spoke to Jo. She was like, I'm going to sort something for you for your wedding. I mean, Jo Loves does everything.

18:34Yeah. Obviously, they do perfume, eau de toilette, candles, but they do these. So look at this.

18:42Michael Douglas: So this looks like a pen. It's like a pen with a clicker on the top of it. And then a brush. And you click, and out comes a perfume. But what's so great about it? is you put it in your handbag. It's tiny. It's the size of a mascara. It's not heavy. It smells delicious, right? It does. It's lemony, this one. You can also get these. I don't know if you can see this, but it says a fragrance tapas. Ah, okay. So if you want to go further with Joe Loves, you can do this thing where you smell, touch, like it's a whole sensory experience so for anybody that loves fragrances yeah like they've got wedding services they will you can go in and they will tell you get get you a shower gel in the scent for your wedding they were which is what she did for me so i found i mixed two scents it's like make your own scent yes and so um the lady in the shop in elizabeth street to ask me what kind of scent I liked.

19:52I liked citrus scents. She got me the citrus scents. She said, okay, which ones do you like? I said, well, I like that one, but I like that one as well. She went, should we try mixing them? What do they smell like? Do you like them separately? I was like, oh my God, I love them together. So I wore them together. And she was showing me where to wear it. I mean, on your arms and everything, like kind of just smother yourself in it everywhere. But I've just got to say that Joe Loves is an amazing brand.

20:19Michael Douglas: and she is a brilliant founder and she is a visionary I absolutely love that woman and I hadn't deep dived into her brand really and now I'm obsessed she's had an amazing life and her husband is an absolute gorgeous man sorry not that gorgeous but yes go and listen to her story on Begin Again. She's fantastic, but the reason why I smell so god damn good, Michael, is because of Jo Loves, yeah. I thought it was just all the curly whirlies you'd eaten today. Yeah, no, no, don't mention that. We've been on this photo shoot today. Oh, quickly, quickly, just want to say joeloves.com. Joeloves.com. And go there.

21:09If you want to go and have a meeting or they can give you like a, they can try scents with you in a demonstration. They're really good at all of that. I love the pen, though.

21:19Michael Douglas: It's good, though, isn't it? You just, like, paint on a bit of scent. It's so good. Amazing gifts. Yeah, yeah. It's a good gift. All the candles, pens, everything. They are just brilliant gifts. Yeah, nice. Yeah. Yeah, we had the photoshoot today. They had a snack centre full of, like, salt and shake crisps, my all-time favourites. Well, I demolished a bag of curly, curly worms today. Wait, just say how your sister, your mum says it. Curly, hurly. I love that. She's from Dundee. So sweet. So I was working with Dawn French quite a bit last week. We got three nights with her last week. We did the one show, Graham Norton, and then a few other bits and pieces as well.

21:59Michael Douglas: Yeah. I haven't seen Dawn for probably about a year because a few of the jobs we had, I just couldn't do. So she had to get a replacement for me, which always makes me feel slightly anxious, you know. I love Dawn French. She is just great. Please, can you just tell everybody a little bit about what makes her so brilliant because I am a fan, but I've got to know her a bit over time. And she is quite an extraordinary woman. Yeah, she is really. I mean, sure, you do feel like you're in the presence of some kind of greatness. You know, she's done an incredible life. And I loved French and Saunders when I was young.

22:41Michael Douglas: I just thought it was funny. I had it on VHS. I just watch it all the time, you know. and messing about you know when they do used to do those reenactments of movies and they did Silence of the Lambs and all that kind of stuff she used to love it you know they're so brilliant and edgy but kind of available you know you know just just the right side of things and as years went on and and then I ended up doing her hair for things obviously I spend a lot of time with women and a lot of time with older women so you know I've got like benchmarks for my measure of what is a great older woman. You know some great older women.

23:15Michael Douglas: I do know. So I see mega ones. Yeah, yeah. Even Kate Bush is a client of mine. I see her about every four to six weeks. I mean, Dawn, Kate. Yeah, you. Well done, thanks. Yeah, so I did that. So no, and she just, you know, when she says something, you know, she doesn't waste any words. Yes. And she's aware of... You often talk about that. Yeah. She's deeply aware of, like, if I'm trying to explain something, she's just precisely what it is I'm trying to explain, which is just very rare, you know, where somebody's already plugged into the matrix that you are part of. You know, I just really like it.

23:55Michael Douglas: Anyway, she's got a new sitcom. It's funny because she said, when's your podcast coming back? Because it was always good for, like, me watching stuff. You recommended things for me to watch. And I thought, she's not going to like this one because I'm going to recommend her sitcom, which she's seen. But it's really good. She's seen. We were watching. It was up to the other night, weren't we? The other night, and it was really good. So I'm a sitcom fan, like, full stop. I love Step 2 on Sun, I love Fawlty Towers, Only Fools and Horses, and then, you know, Curb Your Enthusiasm, The Office, Partridge.

24:24Michael Douglas: You know, like, I could just go on and on and on, Peep Show. So I'm always just really interested when there's a new sitcom. Were you nervous when she told you she was doing one, like, in case you didn't like it? No, I don't think she's ever done anything I've not liked. Yeah, so you just knew it was going to be good. Well, this will be good. You know, like, I've never seen her in anything where I thought, oh, you know, the writer. What's it called again? Can You Keep a Secret. Can You Keep a Secret. So it's called Can You Keep a Secret. It came out last week. All the episodes can stream on iPlayer now.

24:53Michael Douglas: We've talked about flowers in the past, which was the Olivia Colman thing. It was brilliant. It's got real flowers vibes to it. It doesn't feel typically BBC. It's not got canned laughter on it or anything like that. It's quite a sophisticated story. and I was just watching her the other night and just thinking, bloody hell, she's so good. She's such a good actor. Recently I've started to see actors acting and I can't get past it. I can't think that's happened to both of us. It's so weird. It's like we've woken up to when you're watching a movie. Somebody once said, what's the one thing you can't see in a movie or something?

25:32Michael Douglas: They said it's the screen. And I thought, oh, that's quite interesting because you see through it. But it's like in the last six months I've started to see the screen. I start to imagine where the cameras are. I can't get lost in the programme. I'm too busy working out what's going to come next because she said that. It's like, let go, let go, let go. But Dawn has this way of transcending all of that where I don't feel like I'm watching Dawn French. I feel like I'm watching this character and she's doing this thing. The acting's that good. You know what I also thought was amazing? that I'd forgotten a bit with Dawn is her comic timing is second to none.

26:13It's just that moment that she waits or the moment that she interrupts, whatever, it just makes the joke, you know.

26:22Michael Douglas: I mean, the best way to describe it is funny bones, you know, so you don't have to tell a joke. She just does something. You can make it funny. The other guy who's in it is Mark Heap. Now, I know him. from Friday Night Dinner. He's the guy who always turns up the Alsatian in Friday Night Dinner. Yeah. He's extremely good as well. I'm just at that. So it's got 6.7 on IMDb. It deserves more than that. I think it certainly deserves over seven. We need to both leave a review. I definitely think it deserves over seven. But there's another lad in it. Yeah, he's so good. Yeah, I think he might be called Craig Roberts.

26:57Michael Douglas: He's so, so good. Now, he's in a movie, Richard Ayoade's first movie, which is called Submarine, which Alex Turner did the soundtrack for. And I really like him. So he's turned up and he's brilliant in it. And I've just noticed, I've obviously got this far, but Geraldine McNulty's in it. Now, Jerry is Dawn's best friend. And I used to do... What, in true life? In true life. Oh, really? And I used to do Jerry's hair in the 90s. I used to colour it and cut it for her. But I haven't seen Jerry for like 25 years. So I can't wait to see her turn up in it. Anyways, can we keep a secret? I think there are six episodes.

27:30Michael Douglas: and I just really enjoyed it so I'm going to watch two of them tonight when you leave here why don't I watch one in the car on the way down and then we're on the same page I'd love that congratulations Dawn absolutely brilliant okay a couple of quick mores so basically I went to go and have lunch I was in Cambridge doing Stand Up to Cancer and filming at adenbrookes on the cancer ward it was unbelievable like it was just such an incredible experience but my son's girlfriend's parents wow yeah live in cambridge and they said well let's go out for breakfast before you start rehearsing in the afternoon and i said fantastic and they said we will meet you at toodham mill um and that is spelt t-u-d-d-e-m toodham mill h-i-m toodham mill and um firstly i just want to say toodham mill does great food um brunch is amazing okay good i love food the food was like literally top notch but it is so pretty it's not even funny it is absolutely gorgeous it is a beautiful old mill house with beautiful settings amazing gardens obviously water um a stream they've got these little gorgeous kind of cabins with hot tubs that you can go and stay in for a night but they've also got amazing yeah little hobbit houses they've got amazing bedrooms in the mill itself as well and it's like you know you can get fancy pants sausage rolls like a lot of fancy pants yeah like a good sausage plenty of meat in it Plenty of meat.

29:24There's loads of gorgeous bars, but they've kept a lot of the beautiful original features of the mill in it. I cannot recommend this place high enough. They aren't paying me to say this. No, no. We're going, right? I want to go and stay in one of these. Yeah, okay, great. And Lara, Chester's girlfriend, works there.

29:44Michael Douglas: Oh, is that what she works? Yeah, yeah. Okay, great. But it is stunning. It's got amazing reviews online. it is called toodinammill.co.uk it is in well near Cambridge and is really worth a visit they also do like small weddings and things like that so we could renew our vows next week a bit of nostalgia call back homecoming can I quickly just say something Our listeners are going to love this for me I remembered that I can't tell you Me having my memory back I had brain surgery 15 months ago Something like that And me Recalling something that we talked about At the beginning of this podcast Feels like the cleverest thing My memory This feeling It's still Exciting for me Good.

30:49I'm so happy. I can't tell you how happy I am.

30:52Michael Douglas: That's what you want in life, isn't it? Yes. Little bits of excitement every so often. I just interviewed two girls today on Begin Again about glimmers. Oh, the glimmers, yeah. The little that instead of triggers, it's the opposite of a trigger. It's called a glimmer. And they've written a book called Glimmers. I've known about glimmers for a long time. Yes, you have, haven't you? Yeah, I've often thought, and I say this to my kids, watch for the things that glimmer in the corner of your eye. Pay attention. They're doing it for a reason. Yes, trying to attract your attention. Yeah, yeah. And then when you line it up with synchronicity, the things that glimmer start to sync up with certain things that are going on.

31:31Michael Douglas: It all sounds a bit hippy-dippy, but it's a real thing. But Michael, that's us. Yeah, you glimmered. A little bit hippy-dippy. Yeah, you glimmered. Yeah, you glimmered. You glimmered. Stop it, stop it. Yes. Love it. So lots of lovely comments that the podcast is back. So thanks for that. So brilliant to have you gorgeous married couple back on Friday. Says Nikki Smith here. Didn't even mind going for a dog walk in the rain as I had you to listen to. Happy New Year. Mel McCauley said, yay, I'd missed you guys. So glad you're back. And Anna had said, I really enjoyed the podcast from day one. Oh, thanks, Anna.

32:11Michael Douglas: Emma Hapock who I think is an old friend of mine from Leyland Wow Worcestershire sauce crisps saw non-branded Lee and Perrin's French fries in Spa near Leyland on Monday Wow Maybe they've relaunched Yes Can I just say something Thank you That is a proper fan Isn't it just She's been listening for years Yeah Yeah Amazing Please feel free to DM us on the Making of the Cup podcast Yeah, we love it. And we can do some shout-outs and some read-outs. And if anyone's got anything they want to recommend to us, please do. Yeah. You're going to dash off back to Tunbridge Wells. I am. I am going to get myself a Deliveroo.

32:50Nice.

32:51Michael Douglas: What should I get, do you think? I'm sure. Get something healthy. I've eaten quite a lot of unhealthy things. Get something nice and healthy. I had a KFC the other night. Yeah, why don't you get a foe? A foe? Yeah. That's a good idea. Yeah. Okay, thank you. Pleasure. I'm going to get a foe, ladies and gentlemen. Lovely to talk to you. We'll speak to you next week. Bye.

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