SERIES 16: Episode 5 - The Rip, Hope Gap, Panic the Mother, Sabina Brennan, Sonos, Scamp & Dude

0:06Michael Douglas: Hello everybody, welcome to Making the Cut.

0:08Davina McCall: I'm eating chocolate.

0:10Michael Douglas: You're eating in front of the listeners.

0:12Davina McCall: It's dark chocolate though.

0:14Michael Douglas: Yeah.

0:14Sabina Brennan: Is that okay?

0:15Michael Douglas: No, I think it's the sound of the eating that's a problem for people, not what you're eating.

0:20Sabina Brennan: But we're on the phone, I'm pretty sure it's not as bad.

0:22Michael Douglas: Yeah, the audio's not so good. I do apologise for this folks, but I've lost the little link that goes from USB A to USB C. or something like that. So we've just got to record it into a phone. But next week? Next week I will get it. I'll order all the necessary bits on Amazon and get everything to come. Yeah.

0:41Sabina Brennan: At least we're here.

0:43Michael Douglas: At least we're here. We're doing it.

0:44Sabina Brennan: Yeah. And it's a busy week.

0:46Michael Douglas: But I've quite enjoyed it coming back. I've really enjoyed it. I'm not entirely sure I'm ready to stop.

0:50Davina McCall: No, me either. And I've got so much to talk about still.

0:53Michael Douglas: So this is Making the Cup, ladies and gentlemen. Hello. With me, Michael Douglas.

0:56Sabina Brennan: And me, Davina McCall.

0:57Michael Douglas: This is the TripAdvisor for your life, apparently, so we're recommending things that we'd hope would improve your general well-being and give you some entertainment or something to think about. We've watched a couple of films recently, the first one being Rip on Netflix. Oh, my God.

1:15Davina McCall: It was so good.

1:17Michael Douglas: This is the new Matt Damon, Ben Affleck movie, which I had very low expectations of.

1:22Davina McCall: Yeah.

1:23Michael Douglas: And the first 15 minutes I remember thinking, it feels a bit like cheap Netflix stuff. But considering those two are in it, we're both kind of megastars, I thought, well, let's keep going.

1:34Sabina Brennan: I've got to say, I forgot what a high-quality actor... Matt Damon?

1:40Michael Douglas: No, Ben Affleck.

1:42Sabina Brennan: He's super... I knew Matt Damon had, like, a real depth to him, but...

1:49Michael Douglas: He's very powerful, Ben Affleck. When he's on screen, it's like, oh, there's a lot of power.

1:55Sabina Brennan: And also when he really loses it, he's so believable and impressive. He's absolutely amazing.

2:03Michael Douglas: Yeah. I thought it was really good. If you're interested, folks, it's a kind of action thriller, but it's got some quite nice twists and turns in it that I wasn't expecting. You're fed a couple of red herrings at the beginning and then you get very unsure in the middle. But I thought it was a really brilliant ending and it was well worth a watch. So it's on Netflix. It's a Netflix exclusive.

2:25Sabina Brennan: Yes.

2:25Michael Douglas: And it's called Rip, but I was calling it RIP for a while.

2:29Sabina Brennan: Yes, I did as well. I think that's not quite clear.

2:33Michael Douglas: Yeah. And it's to do with a stash house, which is like a drug house filled with money. And they are kind of drug enforcement cops and they go to a stash house to find money and they find more than they expected. A lot more. A lot more than they could handle. But it was really good. So that is my first recommendation. The second recommendation is the other movie we watched, which we watched last night, which was called Hope Gap, which is quite an interesting little movie, really. And it's got... Oh, crikey, my brain's just emptied. Who was in it? Bill Nighy.

3:08Sabina Brennan: Bill Nighy, yeah.

3:10Michael Douglas: And...

3:10Sabina Brennan: Oh, God, she was mega. Yeah. Not Cate Blanchett.

3:16Michael Douglas: I can't believe I've forgotten.

3:17Sabina Brennan: No, wait.

3:18Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah, she's in American Beauty, Annette Bening.

3:21Sabina Brennan: Annette Bening! Oh, yeah.

3:23Michael Douglas: So they're a kind of elderly couple living in Seaford and he decides that he wants to leave her. I'm guessing he's about 70 by the looks of things. She's probably in her mid-60s. They've been together for 30-odd years. They've got a kid who's about 27.

3:40Sabina Brennan: And they're not particularly... She's difficult.

3:44Michael Douglas: Yeah.

3:45Sabina Brennan: And she knows she's difficult.

3:46Michael Douglas: and he's a bit of a wet drippy you know

3:50Davina McCall: I feel like he's been beaten to submission over 27 years

3:54Michael Douglas: you get a little bit of backstory on him which is quite interesting anyway he decides he wants to leave her and he's fallen in love with somebody else this is in the trailer by the way so I'm not giving you any big spoilers here I was keen to watch it because I'm always interested in the divorce story have you ever seen Marriage Story

4:16Sabina Brennan: No, I haven't. Oh, have you not? No, and you've told me it's amazing.

4:19Michael Douglas: Yeah, that's a pretty brutal divorce. And it's harrowing, right?

4:21Sabina Brennan: Is that Kate Winslet and Leonardo DiCaprio?

4:23Michael Douglas: No, it's Adam Driver. Oh, yes. And she's one of the Avengers. I'm not very good with names tonight. She was in the thing with Bill Murray as well. Scarlett Johansson. Scarlett Johansson. Well done, thank you. Yeah, it's them two. They get married, have a kid, and then get divorced, and she moves to LA. He stays in New York. But it's a really good insight into the breakdown of a marriage. But I thought the hope gap was very good. I thought they did a very good job.

4:53Sabina Brennan: I also think that it's really interesting to talk about a divorce later on in life. It is seen as kind of a sin. If you've been married for that long, why bother getting divorced? Why not just stay together? But actually, it takes a lot of courage, I think, to decide that your marriage is over. And sometimes it might take years and years to do that. You know, it's a very difficult thing to do.

5:23Michael Douglas: There's some very nice script and dialogue in it, I thought. And the interesting thing is you're very sympathetic towards him, even though he's the lever. And you don't often get that in a film. He's normally portrayed as some kind of rat. but you never really feel that about him. They've done a very kind of good job of making the viewer feel sympathy for him and portraying his wife as a very difficult person, which brings up other questions, you know, because it's normally the love rat, you know, type thing. Anyway, there's some brilliant bits of scripture. There's one very good bit where the wife turns up to his new home with his new partner and they have a discussion and there was a line in that that absolutely was a banger.

6:09Michael Douglas: What was that? I remember that Annette Bening says to Angela, essentially, so what have you got to say?

6:17Sabina Brennan: Oh, yes.

6:18Michael Douglas: Oh, my God, it was so good. I'm not going to do it because that is a bit of a spoiler, but it's just an unbelievably callous thing to say. But it is a true thing. She said something honest. But anyway, it's called Hope Gap. It's also got the other actor in it, the guy who was in Knives Out and he also played the young Prince Charles in The Crown.

6:38Sabina Brennan: He is absolutely brilliant. I can't remember his name. Is it Matthew?

6:42Michael Douglas: He was one of the reasons I wanted to watch the film. It's only about an hour and 45 minutes long. It scores 6.8 on IMDb. So it fits into my category of a watchable film. I don't think it's brilliant, but if you're interested in that subject...

6:57Sabina Brennan: Josh O 'Connor.

6:59Michael Douglas: I'm drinking your tea. Wow, that's got some honey in it, hasn't it?

7:04Sabina Brennan: It's actually not got that much in it for me

7:07Michael Douglas: So anyway, it's on Amazon Prime And you can rent it or buy it But it's not available for, you know, if you're just a subscriber Anyway, those are two movies that I watched this weekend And thought I would let you know

7:19Sabina Brennan: Yeah, they were very good, weren't they? Yeah I was, in the interest of being honest and open I was sent some stuff by a friend of Fat Tony's

7:30Michael Douglas: Okay

7:31Sabina Brennan: She, I think, lives in Ibiza and her brand and I just think this is such a clever idea is called Panic the Mother and when

7:41Davina McCall: you look at her website and you look about at about she is a single mum and it was created from the imagination of a mental mother who sees the world upside down and I already love that so her name is Claire Pesamai I think that's the right way of saying it

8:02Sabina Brennan: she sees sort of mental health and fashion co-existing together and she's bringing it to life by artistically educating on mental health and self-development now I don't know if you remember but I showed you a sweatshirt and I'm going to put it on the Making the Cup page but I took a photograph of it so I could show it to you now and it's this one that looks like a kind of band yeah yeah it looks like an album cover or something like that it's got panic the mother on the front it's a very very cool sweatshirt made of distressed kind of very good quality material but on the back it looks like it's got loads of tour dates but actually what it is is all the telephone numbers for helplines.

8:55Michael Douglas: Ah, great. So when you look at this. Yeah. Oh, yes. It's like tour dates on the back, but they're all helplines.

9:04Davina McCall: Let me see if I can show you that. There you go, yeah. But it's got Panic Loves Company, Anxiety UK, Beat, Mind, Rethink, Calm, NHS Emergency, Bipolar UK, OCD, all of those on the back of it. But it looks like a... Yeah, yeah, it's all day. Yeah, yeah, it's very good. But, you know, it's called Panic the Mother, but it's also got in the shop, it says Panic By, which I think is a really, like, funny play on words. But it's got brilliant, I love the brushed cardigan. It's got the mother tee, which I really, really like. I'm loving the fluffy jacket. they come in at quite a high price point but they are made by an individual

9:49Sabina Brennan: it's not a huge company it's a very very small business the fluffy jacket is gorgeous you and I would both look good in that

9:57Michael Douglas: can we get one?

9:58Sabina Brennan: look at that look at the whole outfit that she's wearing she's obviously got fantastic taste is she a model?

10:08Michael Douglas: she looks like she was

10:09Davina McCall: that is a model I think

10:10Michael Douglas: oh that's not her I don't think so.

10:12Davina McCall: Hang on, let me have a look. I could have a look quickly. But I also love these brushed knit shorts. They're kind of long shorts. Bags and accessories they also make, which I really like. They're oversized tote. I really like the brand. I think it's incredibly cool, but I love the heart behind it. And that is something that I think is really interesting. Brands that have got a lovely story behind them.

10:37Michael Douglas: it's funny um you know that it's mental health and fashion that is actually how i see my business you know it's a it's a like a mental health company disguised as a hair tools company i'm trying to get people you know to love themselves yes like themselves a bit more um and it would rid them of some of their fears and anxieties around the way they look you know um you know a little act of self-love is some somehow very rewarding and something you could take some pride in well we were talking about hair the other night and how interesting it is that hair is the one thing that you can fully express some kind of

11:16Sabina Brennan: torture or emotion with but that will totally recover yeah you know there is a way of like if you're really struggling self-harming is a way of expressing yourself but it's actually damaging to your skin it has it leaves a long lasting mark on your body and is distressing for you and for the people that love you and are around you and is quite addictive but doing something mental to your hair changes the way that you look it can change the way that you feel I was telling you about going to Sean's funeral when I was younger and about when when I turned up four people had done something absolutely mad.

11:57Sabina Brennan: I cut all my hair off and dyed it white. You know, Alice had done something else. Everybody had done something mad to their hair. And I thought, oh, isn't that funny? We've all had such huge feelings around this that we needed to express ourselves in some way and we didn't know how to do it. But hair is such a brilliant way of saying how you're feeling.

12:18Michael Douglas: I'm still reading Letting Go at the moment. I read a big chunk of it today. it's really good I'm really understanding a lot more about them how their feelings impact you

12:30Sabina Brennan: and this is the book that you were talking about last week yeah I talked about this week David Hawkins

12:34Michael Douglas: yeah I recommended it last week there's a lovely bit at the beginning really where it just tries to break down what is it you're letting go of exactly and you're actually letting go of the feeling that creates the thought and then the thoughts turn into actions you know but it all starts with the feeling and then there's various different ways your body deals with feelings one of them is to repress them and suppress them which is pushing them down really and they manifest themselves as all sorts of pain you know chronic pain back pain allergies various other disorders that you can you can struggle with and then the other one was to express them but a lot of people do that badly you know where they get angry with the world and Yes, it's interesting because when you said that earlier,

13:20Sabina Brennan: I thought, oh, expressing is good, but you were like, not always.

13:24Michael Douglas: No, he seems to think that actually talking about your feelings was not necessarily a good thing, but actually letting go of them, the mechanisms of letting go, which I've still not got to yet because there's a feeling inside me at the moment that's festering and I'm spending a lot of time thinking about the feeling and then that is taking up a lot of time and it's probably making me act in ways that I probably don't want to. So I've got an internal experiment with this book as well. But I just thought I'd give it another little shout-out.

14:00Sabina Brennan: I mean, this is a little bit Mel Robbins.

14:03Michael Douglas: Yeah, the let them thing.

14:05Sabina Brennan: The let them theory. It's just, don't let it bother you. You're just not going to look for a tissue. Yeah, that's all right.

14:12Michael Douglas: But it's interesting that I know people who are very angry with the world. They're very angry with American politics. They're very angry with various people in Britain, people they don't even know, stuff they've not got any control over. The idea is that you're projecting your own difficulty with feelings onto other situations so you can blame them in some way for the conflict that's inside you that's been caused in the past that you've never actually managed to let go of. I mean, I think, like, because that is the Mel Robbins arena,

14:44Sabina Brennan: like all of this stuff that you have no control over, just let them but but I think what is interesting is that what you need to do do what people need to do is is realize that that is what they're doing yeah yes well that's why I've brought it

14:57Michael Douglas: up again because there might be people out there listening realize they're a bit angry with the world or a bit upset about certain things yeah actually something inside them that they're upset about that um is manifesting itself is a projected anger um but there's a possibility you could let go of all of that and feel cross you know so anyway

15:18Sabina Brennan: not feel cross at all you probably let go

15:21Michael Douglas: you feel at peace

15:24Sabina Brennan: and you're carrying around often someone else's shit

15:28Michael Douglas: they've been dumped on you at some point anyway I thought I'd just give that another mention

15:33Davina McCall: I just quickly want to reiterate that Panic the Mother has a website and it is panicthemother.com

15:46Sabina Brennan: I'd also like to quickly mention Sabina Brennan I've recommended her book Still Me which is about caring for people with Alzheimer's yeah I spoke to her on Begin Again she was absolutely amazing and I've actually written the forward for her next book yeah nice which I'm really proud of but she also she's got lots of different books but there's one thing I think getting older one One of the things that I hear more and more from every corner is that our brain just starts degenerating after a certain age and we lose the ability to learn. We feel like we lose the ability to learn new things that people often when they're thinking that they're doing good things for their brain, they do the same thing.

16:32Sabina Brennan: So I do. I love Sudoku and I just do Sudoku all the time. Well, it just turns out that your brain just gets used to doing that. Yes. It's not learning something new. It doesn't get any better. It's not getting any better. And you're doing it because it's actually easy. What you're really good at is challenging me to challenge my brain.

16:50Michael Douglas: Oh, good. Okay. And you make me think, oh, do you know what?

16:54Sabina Brennan: I am going to go and learn something I don't know. And she has brought out several things that try and help your brain to evolve. I mean, the big thing is, you know, retiring. is like what everybody's trying to work towards but the problem sometimes for people is that they retire and then they stop working they stop learning they stop communicating they stop going out so much they take it easy they sleep a bit and these are all things that are dangerous so it says here your neocortex or thinking brain is a relative newcomer in the evolution of the brain that emerged in primates two or three million years ago and as part of the wrinkled outer layer of your brain and we associate like the complex functions that we associate with being human like your ability to think use language make decisions plan organize and so on is what it's responsible for and these cards are trying to help you look at various different areas so things like work

17:56Davina McCall: rest play attitude thinking and feeling you take them and so you've got a card like that and then on the back it explains what it is so activate so it's um try and sit less stand more throughout

18:12Sabina Brennan: the day commit to do and there was another one about being present but it explains to you how to do that yeah so like how to eat in the present how to brush your teeth in the present yeah and then it explains to you the science so physical exercise influences the release of major brain chemicals associated with anxiety levels pleasure and reward and alertness so i think there is something when you read something you're learning yeah yeah something new about your brain but it's also the thing that's going to motivate you to do the action yeah that the card is telling you some of them will be ones that we've all seen on instagram and we kind of know but some of them are quite surprising okay and um i definitely you know because i think obviously my dad had alzheimer's i definitely want to work a bit harder i've downloaded a memory app yeah good i've got the brain gym.

19:04Sabina Brennan: Like I want, and since I've had the brain operation, I want to learn. Yeah. Yeah. Like I'm hungry to learn. Yeah. Interesting.

19:13Michael Douglas: I've seen that change in you.

19:14Sabina Brennan: Have you?

19:15Michael Douglas: Yeah. Yeah. I have, you know. Isn't that funny? See that you've got very interested in like stepping outside of what you currently know to want to get to know more stuff.

19:27Sabina Brennan: I'm hungry.

19:27Michael Douglas: Yeah. Yeah.

19:28Sabina Brennan: Again.

19:28Michael Douglas: It's nice, isn't it? I think, you know, I have this theory that, might sound a bit mad but my theory is that you're born with all of the knowledge in the universe already in your brain you're it's already pre-loaded into your brain but you're unaware of it and there's this idea that when you learn something it feels like the learning comes from the outside so somebody teaches you something so you the learning comes inwards but doesn't feel like that when you learn something it happens inside of you um and it's more like a realization like you something you already knew yeah yeah and uh it's just been unlocked as a result of having had an experience it worked something out it's like a memory like you have a realization rather than i've learned something new it's just that your brain already have that in it you know i I don't know if that's true or not, but I've started to see my brain a bit like that.

20:30Michael Douglas: And it's given me this idea that there's a lot more potential in me than I thought there was. Can I tell you, I could have told you that 20 years ago.

20:38Sabina Brennan: But also one of the things that I love is that you don't ever really ask anybody else's opinion.

20:45Michael Douglas: No, I don't really. You ask yourself. Yeah, yeah.

20:48Sabina Brennan: And you hear the answer. We talked a bit last week, I think, that it's not always the answer you want to hear, but it's the answer. But it is the right answer. It is the right answer and you have to act on it. I'm fascinated by that.

21:00Michael Douglas: It's super interesting. You bought me two little speakers for Christmas.

21:04Davina McCall: Yes, I did.

21:05Michael Douglas: For Christmas, she bought me two little Sonos Roams, they're called. So in our house, we have a Sonos system. So we've got speakers in various rooms. They're all connected to this Sonos system. We've probably recommended Sonos before, which is very good. but they've made these little portable speakers, like I guess about the size of a big Toblerone or something like that, you know. But you want me two of them, which I was like, oh, I've got two. I didn't really realise, but you can take them on holiday with you and all the rest of it. So they're Bluetooth, or you can create a wireless Sonos system wherever you are.

21:41Michael Douglas: If you're in a hotel and it's got Wi-Fi, you can create a Wi-Fi Sonos system with these two speakers in. So now you've got stereo speakers anywhere you go. So I've got them on my desk at work, but when we went to Miami for Christmas, I took them with me there. If we were in a hotel one night, I'd take them with me to the hotel. I'd put one on your bedside table, one on mine, and we can have some music and stuff like that. Anyway, I just thought they were a really good little system.

22:06Sabina Brennan: And they're such a brilliant size, aren't they? They're a brilliant size. And the sound is great. It's extraordinary.

22:11Michael Douglas: And I just love the idea. Sometimes when you've just got one little Bluetooth speaker in a room, it's like it's just not enough you know it's too tinny but when you've got two you've got twice the sound to fill twice the space so yes if you're interested in buying your partner or yourself or anything some bluetooth speakers then go and check them out because you can pair them and have them as a stereo pair anywhere you go and then it all works on an app on your phone and you can access soundcloud spotify apple music bbc sounds radio whatever it is you want but thank you they're great little Christmas gift.

22:47Michael Douglas: I was delighted and getting two of them has made a massive difference. Yeah, it's funny, isn't it? Yeah, just having the pair. It's good. So there you go. That's a little recommendation for you folks.

22:57Davina McCall: I would like to quickly talk about Scamp and Dude because

23:02Sabina Brennan: Scamp and Dude is a really nice brand, but they came to my attention via the work that they do with the scarf so the super scarf is basically one that is for women so if you buy a super scarf um when you pay for your super scarf it means that a woman starting chemotherapy will be gifted one okay so effectively you're buying two and gifting one to someone who really needs it and the thing I really like about that idea is that you are gifting a stranger but I didn't have chemo but having had cancer I do know it's frightening yeah and I do know it can feel very lonely even though you're surrounded by people only you're going through it and having chemo is tough.

23:58Sabina Brennan: And I think there is something really wonderful about knowing that a stranger has gifted you something.

24:03Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah, it'd be very nice, wouldn't it?

24:04Sabina Brennan: And that it's something that could keep you warm if you're getting cold. It's something that could give you a bit of a kind of comfort.

24:12Michael Douglas: Do you know what I thought?

24:12Sabina Brennan: Yeah.

24:13Michael Douglas: It's a great headscarf if you lose your hair.

24:15Sabina Brennan: Yes, and it's a beautiful headscarf. Yeah. And they're all designed by different people. So what Jo does from Scamp and Dude, it's her business, she gets in touch with celebrities and goes can you design a scarf for us and Lauren Laverne sent me one when she had breast cancer and um and I really liked it and there was a superpower button on the tag and it says press the neon lightning bolt on your garment to activate your chosen power so on the scarf is a neon lightning bolt and you press it and you could either be crazy cool kitchen raver, multitasking marvel, patience of a saint, uninterrupted sleep for a week, supercharged caffeine boost or a FOMO blocker.

25:01Sabina Brennan: And I think that this idea of taking something that's very negative and frightening for a woman and making it something really positive, but something another woman can do for them, or man, is so nice. And Jo from Scamp and Dude is just a good person. She asked me if I would do one. In fact, I think I may have got in touch with her and said, you know, I'd like to help you design one. And we then bonded massively because Joe had brain surgery. And so we bonded on that. And then while I was designing the scarf, I got breast cancer. So it seemed really meaningful to me. It then took on a whole new shape and energy.

25:47Michael Douglas: it's a funny form of synchronicity yes

25:51Sabina Brennan: and I did the shoot for it last week which you weren't at what's so funny is that I went to this shoot thinking that it was just going to be me and a photographer so I had done my hair and makeup, you did it for me in the morning and I went to this shoot and I turned up and it was like hundreds of people, so funny I don't know what I was thinking anyway, the other thing is that I'd also like to recommend Scamp and Dude's clothing it's really nice it's really colorful it's really fun it's really cool and the super scarf is just one of the things that you can buy there but there's loads of other brilliant things

26:28Michael Douglas: it's the colors that i love all the neon yes and it's affordable and cool the scarf you came home with the pink trim yeah that's the one i designed it's so you like it you designed that yeah the woman who describes herself as not creative at all well i'm not i'm not really but i yeah

26:47Davina McCall: So I did know what colours I liked and what I wanted to look at. But I'm going to quickly tell you about the... Let me just have a look at the Super... Look how nice these clothes are. They're so good. She loves a bit of leopard print. Yeah, I know someone else who does, yeah. Yeah, well, this is the thing. I absolutely love it. I can't believe it. So the Super Scarves are£40. £40. So for£40 you can buy two scarves

27:17Michael Douglas: and donate one to someone else. You get to nominate the person.

27:21Sabina Brennan: No, they just, and that's the other thing that I really like. They just find out, someone is starting chemo and they just give it to them.

27:31Davina McCall: And they also have teddy bears that they sell for, obviously for kids that are struggling. And there's Lauren's Lauren LeVern's there which is absolutely gorgeous and lots of different women have done it so there's Sophie McCartney but I just think it is a really really special brand and idea and mine launches on Wednesday which is World Cancer Day

27:56Michael Douglas: and it's on the Scamp and Dude website

27:58Davina McCall: it's on the Scamp and Dude website so when it comes out scampandude.com you can get it now

28:04Michael Douglas: ah nice all this talk about illness and everything I realise that I've got to have my health check. It's been two years and they said I should go back and have various checks in two years now so it's slightly my conscience is slightly knocking on my door so I'm going to try and get that sorted out in the next week or two. Let's do a few shout outs. We've got believer underscore IG I think JG and he said absolutely love the podcast and it made me really think about what Michael said about self help. That's why I only listen to both of your podcasts, Davina's Begin Again as well. I find I get more anxious by listening to some self-help podcasts and videos.

28:46Davina McCall: Isn't it funny?

28:47Michael Douglas: So I just enjoy your company.

28:49Davina McCall: Oh, well, good. We're so pleased.

28:52Michael Douglas: Triple marathon for charity and 50th birthday surprise video message. Hope you don't mind me messaging it. I feel really cringy doing so as I am a stranger. Hope you're well in your amazing world. If you can, this is very cheeky, but I'm struggling to get any traction replies. Please spread the word. A good friend and massive fan Nick Osborne is turning 50 and running a triple London-Rome Paris marathon this year to raise money.

29:16Davina McCall: Wow, that's amazing.

29:18Michael Douglas: I'm also a triple negative breast cancer survivor six years on, so this really matters to me and our family. We were surprising in Paris before the marathon and wondered if you'd be open to a very short, good luck 50th birthday video.

29:30Davina McCall: Oh, let's record that today.

29:31Michael Douglas: Yeah, totally understand it. If not, thank you. Best wishes. So give us all that mouthwash Leah Jeffries I just say

29:39Davina McCall: that is a great name

29:40Michael Douglas: yes Ate said oh my god

29:44Davina McCall: thank you for the

29:45Michael Douglas: shout out literally almost cried so sweet huge congrats to you both high frequency good energy people thank you I am Ben West said thanks so much for the shout out as well which is great oh and we're getting some books from lots of grown up anyway so they're on their way so great nice to talk to you all, ladies and gents and we will probably do another one next week.

30:09Davina McCall: Yes, definitely. I think we're enjoying it. Too much to stop now.

30:14Michael Douglas: Alright, lots of love, folks.

30:15Davina McCall: We love you. Bye.