SERIES 16: Episode 6 - The Night Manager, Electric Eye Apparel, Otter AI, Bryony Gordon, Sucre, VHS Dates, Georgie Girl Cashmere

0:05Michael Douglas: We are go. Oh my God.

0:07Davina McCall: Listen to this. I look at listenware sound professional again.

0:11Michael Douglas: Yeah, we've got actual professional microphones this week. Be pleased to know ladies and gentlemen so you can hear the moisture in my mouth.

0:21Michael Douglas: You like that? You like the juiciness of that?

0:25Davina McCall: Yes, I love everything about you.

0:30Michael Douglas: How are you doing, Davina McCall? Oh, me.

0:33Davina McCall: Yeah, how are you? Yeah, good. I am...

0:35Michael Douglas: A bit bleary-eyed today. A little bit tired. Yeah, me too.

0:38Davina McCall: But I think, you know, it is winter. And I always think... Sometimes I go, oh, January's a bit tough, isn't it? It's not January. February is the killer, isn't it? February is the killer. March, you can start seeing the buds on the trees. The days are getting longer. You really get a sense of that. The mornings get lighter earlier again.

0:58Michael Douglas: Do you know what, though? I've been, just since the beginning of the year, I've been fed a lot of astrology.

1:04Davina McCall: Yes.

1:05Michael Douglas: Yeah.

1:05Davina McCall: Yeah, you have, haven't you? I have been on Instagram.

1:07Michael Douglas: So it's like, have you read Taurus? Then, wow, have you had a tough time since 2018?

1:12Davina McCall: It's like, yeah.

1:13Michael Douglas: I'm like, what? Yeah, yeah. I've had a tough time in my entire life. And then it was like, well, it's over. Apparently, Taurus is leaving Uranus. That is true as well.

1:25Davina McCall: You're not even joking. No, that's the truth, yeah. But you know they call it Uranus, don't they? But Uranus is much funnier. It's funnier, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

1:34Michael Douglas: But anyway, apparently it's been there since 2018. Yeah. But it's leaving. And this week is the final week.

1:43Davina McCall: Who's going into Uranus?

1:46Michael Douglas: It's not my anus. I'm Taurus. I'm leaving the anus.

1:50Davina McCall: No, but...

1:50Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah. I realise the joke. But... it's a one way traffic situation there

2:02Michael Douglas: so yeah apparently this week is the week of the final shedding of the snake skin really? yeah this week? well and towards the end of the week I get reborn apparently I go through a rebirth

2:13Davina McCall: oh brilliant I can't wait for that right? well how's it going to manifest?

2:18Michael Douglas: can we tell everybody next week on the pod? yeah yeah in fact well this would be the final episode

2:23Davina McCall: Yeah, but let's do another one.

2:24Michael Douglas: Let's do another one next week and I can tell people about it. Yeah, I'm enjoying myself too much.

2:28Davina McCall: We need to know what happens with your rebirth.

2:29Michael Douglas: I have the official launch of my new products this week. Yes!

2:33Davina McCall: Oh my God, on Thursday?

2:35Michael Douglas: For it happening on the week of my rebirth, I would take as a good side. Oh my God, that is quite weird. Right? It's quite mad, isn't it?

2:42Davina McCall: Oh my God. And also, it happens on the eve of this podcast dropping.

2:48Michael Douglas: Yeah.

2:49Davina McCall: So we can talk about it on this podcast.

2:52Michael Douglas: yes

2:53Davina McCall: the numbers

2:54Michael Douglas: oh yeah the numbers I talked about it last week

2:55Davina McCall: yeah I know but like official it's officially launched

2:58Michael Douglas: on Wednesday yeah the numbers launched numbers one to six of more to come and it's going really well

3:06Davina McCall: people are loving it

3:07Michael Douglas: they really are yeah so you can go to emilylunders.com and choose your numbers depending on what it is

3:12Davina McCall: just remind us for just to air dry your hair and it look amazing what numbers do we use one and three for air drying. Great, that's what I use.

3:22Michael Douglas: One and three also for curly.

3:24Davina McCall: One and three is for curly.

3:25Michael Douglas: Blow dry and smooth. One and two. And then four or five are both like finishing sprays. Five I use for oomph.

3:32Davina McCall: Yeah. And a bit of dry shampoo-ish type. Yeah, yeah.

3:36Michael Douglas: Day two, day three, day four. And there's a lovely little kind of waxy serum that's just really good for refreshing it.

3:42Davina McCall: Really good for short hair, but also good if you've got slightly frizzy, dry, menopausal hair. That waxy serum is so nice.

3:49Michael Douglas: I've already signed off 7 to 12, they're coming in September Can we just, can we quickly discuss the note for this one? The number 7 Oh my god, yeah It's mega, let's not bang on my about this too much, I feel a bit like I'm plagiarising this podcast

4:03Davina McCall: No, it's making the cut Your product's made the cut

4:08Michael Douglas: Like, you made the cut We have been watching The Night Manager Season 2 Can I just say, very good Yeah, it is good, I don't actually think it's as good as the first series But however, we're on episode three and the end of episode three, I was like, oh, hang on a second.

4:26Davina McCall: They're very good with cliffhangers at the end of every ep. I like that at the end of every ep.

4:31Michael Douglas: It's very good quality dramas, like the highest end of BBC drama that I think they've made. Everything looks expensive. Brilliant in it. Yeah. And it's global. You know, it's got this real Bourne identity type vibe about it.

4:45Davina McCall: The baddie is amazing.

4:47Michael Douglas: Baddy's very good.

4:48Davina McCall: The one that looks a bit like Antonio Banderas.

4:50Michael Douglas: Yes, and he's a bit like bisexual. Yeah, he's like sort of sexy, evil, hot. There's a very funny scene in season, in episode three, where he's dancing with the girl.

5:01Davina McCall: Oh, yeah.

5:02Michael Douglas: And then Tom Hiddleston goes over and dances, and it's like a three-way dance.

5:05Davina McCall: They have like a threesome on the dance floor.

5:07Michael Douglas: And then she kind of dips out, and then Tom Hiddleston and the guys start like dancing.

5:11Davina McCall: Sexy dancing together. Nose to nose, yeah.

5:13Michael Douglas: And she's like round the back, as it were. That's the cat, by the way. Is it?

5:18Davina McCall: The cat's got, like, turned on. Yeah, he was just talking about a threesome.

5:22Michael Douglas: The cat's like... Yeah, tell you what, this is funny. Well, let's finish The Night Manager and then I'll come on and manage something else. It's good, so if anybody's not watched it, what I did find is it's not called The Night Manager Season 2 or anything. So when I looked on the iPlayer, I was like, where's Season 2? And then it was Season 2, but it's just called The Night Manager. So you have to go through the information bit and then you'll find season one and season two. If you've not watched season one, it's really good. The baddie in it, it was played by Hugh Laurie, lives in this beautiful mansion, which is on the kind of peninsular bit of Porta Palenca in Mallorca.

6:00Michael Douglas: And if anyone's been to Porta Palenca, you'll have seen the house. Everybody's seen it and gone like, wow, look at that house. Wow. And that is in The Night Manager. So even if you're just interested in looking around a swanky house, then go watch the season one of The Night Manager because it's a beautiful house. Oh, cool. When I used to go there on holidays with the kids, they'd sit on the beach and look at the house and think, who lives there? I mean, it's just sensation. Who lives in the place, right? Yeah, exactly. It was a great show, that, wasn't it? I mean, I did like the Keith Lemon version through the keyhole, but I loved the original with David Frost and Lloyd Grossman.

6:35Michael Douglas: I loved looking around people's houses.

6:37Davina McCall: Yeah, me too.

6:38Michael Douglas: I loved looking around my own house, let alone anybody else's.

6:41Davina McCall: Well I love today we went to go and see our friends Miriam and Morton And they're doing a house It's just really nice looking at people's vision or idea Or colours that they've chosen It's really good for inspo

6:54Michael Douglas: I do find it very interesting to go around people's houses Because you get to see who they are How creative they might be How safe they want to be How adventurous and all of that stuff It's really, really interesting it's a bit like a hairstyle or something you're displaying something about yourself especially if you invite people around a lot

7:17Davina McCall: oh really, totally and utterly guess what this week we've got a recommendation via the one and only Fern Cotton

7:29Michael Douglas: no way

7:30Davina McCall: so she recommended a brand to us called Electric Eye Apparel and then she said she'd get her friend to send us a couple of examples of what they do. It's so good.

7:46Michael Douglas: This is the t-shirt with the song lyrics on and stuff like that.

7:50Davina McCall: Yeah, so basically, well, there's so many nice things about this brand.

7:53Michael Douglas: Have you said what the brand is?

7:54Davina McCall: It's called Electric Eye Apparel. Yeah, I think I said that at the beginning. ElectricEyeApparel.com. Thank you. You know, we like conscious brands or social, but that's brands that have a kind of social touch or brands that have got a nice story to them. This is a female founder. She set this business up herself. But she's also done its beautiful embroidery of song lyrics on T-shirts, tops, sweatshirts, really cool bits of kit. And everybody will find something they like in there. You know, it'll have your style of T-shirt in there. They've got short ones. They've got long ones. They've got long vests.

8:31Davina McCall: They've got short vests. They've got everything. but do you remember that lyric tank fly boss walk jam nitty gritty this is jam hot tank fly boss walk jam nitty gritty I never knew it was boss walk

8:44Michael Douglas: until I saw it written on the t-shirt

8:47Davina McCall: so not only have they got they've also got hunky dory on a shirt she's electric which is inspired by Oasis so they've got like loads of different things you can personalise something so if your partner, your kid, somebody loves a certain song lyric you can have that put on a sweatshirt or t-shirt but they also do them in braille

9:10Michael Douglas: I love the idea of braille isn't that brilliant it must be bumpy

9:15Davina McCall: and it's written in braille it's like Morse code if you see a blind person

9:22Michael Douglas: you'd say do you want to feel what my t-shirt says

9:25Davina McCall: do you want to feel what my t-shirt I hadn't thought of that

9:28Michael Douglas: don't mind if I do

9:31Davina McCall: yeah I hadn't thought about that

9:33Michael Douglas: I think it says nice tits Michael does it say that?

9:38Davina McCall: Michael anyway electric eye apparel please go and check them out .com they do brilliant coloured shirts you've got an enormous choice of colours that you can go with the sweatshirts can I also say the shirts there's a denim shirt for example there's a sweatshirt are extremely good quality They've got a very nice kind of weighty, good feel to them. But you will absolutely love it. And they've also got a Benson glitter left chest embroidered vintage aged T-shirt, which I really love.

10:15Michael Douglas: Nice, yeah. Look at that. Oh, that's that guy. What's he called? Joe, somebody or other.

10:22Davina McCall: Benson?

10:23Michael Douglas: Yeah, I think it is. Somebody Benson, yeah. And he wears that tight blue all in one. sparkly suit. He looks fucking great. Yeah, he is very cool actually. You know, I've not really looked into him much but he does look Bobby Dazzler there.

10:37Davina McCall: More joy, less division. I love that. Anyway, there's loads of different things that you can have on a t-shirt but I really like the personalised idea. It's very good quality. The prices are sort of around£50 for a t-shirt. Sort of£65 for a really nice sweatshirt. Choosing your own lyrics. Yeah, and they're embroidered. But feel the quality of that T-shirt. Yeah, it's a mega heavy-duty telly. And really mega heavy-duty embroidery. I mean, it's probably... Yeah, it's not like you're getting a Sainsbury's T-shirt

11:09Michael Douglas: with some lyric, you know, laminate printing on it. It's really good. It's proper. There's one that just says Imagine on it. And that's lovely, isn't it? John Rennon's song. It's brilliant. And Music Is Power. Do you know who wrote Music Is Power? No. Richard Ashcroft.

11:21Davina McCall: Oh, really?

11:22Michael Douglas: Yeah, from The Verbe. Oh, great, yeah. I recommend that song. I love Richard Ashcroft he's just like a bit of an anomaly in the music business he's from Wigan yeah he had his band called The Verve which for my opinion were way better than Oasis but yeah I know but he wrote a song called Music is Power and if you want a song that just like bites down on you he's got such a great voice in it you know and it's a very true statement you know music's so powerful you know it really can change the world I've talked about this a lot

11:52Davina McCall: but I do like the idea that they don't play music in treatment centres. Oh, yeah. They won't let you listen to music when you're trying to get off drugs.

12:01Michael Douglas: Oh, OK.

12:01Davina McCall: Because it is a mood-altering drug and you use it like you would drugs.

12:05Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah. I thought you meant like a cancer treatment centre. Oh, no. I was like, what a shame, you know. No. Poor people. I'm already going through torture.

12:12Davina McCall: Sorry, I'm just going to take a pen out of the drawer so I can write down what we're talking about.

12:16Michael Douglas: Oh, yeah. Well done. Thank you. Thanks for doing the admin. No problem. You know what we should do? In fact, this is a little recommendation. I've started to use this little AI platform called otter ai otter yeah i think it's just o double t a why did you start using them and not the others what it does um is it records whatever it is you're doing yeah i should turn it on for the podcast i've just realized that um because that would save us a lot of faff so it's like um

12:42Davina McCall: called otter like a double t e r o double t yeah yeah otter otter so when i'm on a zoom

12:51Michael Douglas: I just press Otter and it records the Zoom not the video but it transcribes all of the audio into words and then it will give you a synopsis of what you talked about on that meeting and you can have that quite short or quite long but you know like if you have a follow up meeting but you can't quite remember what you said in the last meeting you just go to it

13:11Davina McCall: that's really helpful do you know when it would be really helpful as well if somebody's having therapy

13:16Michael Douglas: yeah yeah exactly you just get a little synopsis of the things you talked about

13:20Davina McCall: All the advice that you get.

13:21Michael Douglas: So if you look here, I had a product development strategy meeting there. I had a meeting with Aveeno Hair Care. So all the meeting has been transcribed. And then I can click on that. And then I can just get it to give me a little synopsis of it. Oh, wow. Oh, wow.

13:36Davina McCall: And action items.

13:38Michael Douglas: Action items about what I said I would do or what I wouldn't do. Outline of the meeting. Oh, my God, Michael. It's really good, isn't it?

13:44Davina McCall: I can't believe how much it gives you.

13:46Michael Douglas: Yeah. Yeah, and you can even say, oh, break this down into a presentation, a PowerPoint presentation, save it as a PDF. Wow. So if you've got to present to somebody what you talked about, you've got a little package just to kind of go, oh, here's what we talked about. This was the beginning of the call. We mentioned this and then that, blah, blah, blah. But it tells you who else was on the call and what they said. Wow. It's pretty amazing, isn't it?

14:11Davina McCall: That is amazing.

14:13Michael Douglas: Don't think I've had to pay for this. I think I've just downloaded it. Well, there might be a small monthly subscription, but I had this friend of mine, Jamie, who is building, who's built me a new website. And he's been teaching me how to use AI. But what I realise is that whenever I'm talking to him, even if it's face to face and he's got his computer, he's just recording the conversation. and then anything I'm asking him to do because he's doing some work for me, he's got a full reminder of what it is I've said I want doing. And it's tripped me up a few times because I've gone back and said, have you done that thing yet?

14:53Michael Douglas: And he'll be like, you've never asked me to do that thing. And I was like, I did ask last Wednesday and it's like, you didn't. And I'm like, oh shit, I didn't. You know, so the problem is the AI is remembering everything way better than I can. Yeah. And he's using it and I'm not.

15:08Davina McCall: Yes, everybody's going to have to start using it. because otherwise you'll look behind.

15:13Michael Douglas: Well, you're in two separate realities. One that's kind of crystal clear and remembered and the reality of everyday people. So anyway, Otter AI, you can have a little look at that. But I'm finding it super helpful, especially if you're doing Zooms and there's lots of things you need to remember. You don't have to take notes. I did this with a board meeting as well, recorded the board meeting. And then, of course, you can make a summary of the board meeting and send it all to the investors. But that would have taken me half a day to do that.

15:38Davina McCall: Yeah, that's mad, isn't it?

15:39Michael Douglas: Now it takes me five minutes. Yeah. So it's quite crazy. I'm starting to understand a little bit more about how AI can help you. And a lot of people are wanting to avoid that, but don't get stuck in. No, everybody's got to get stuck in, haven't they?

15:54Davina McCall: We're all going to be using it. Everybody needs to know about it. We all need to integrate it into our lives.

16:00Michael Douglas: Helpful. But hopefully Otter AI might be useful to some people out there.

16:04Davina McCall: I want to give a shout out to Bryony Gordon. You know, she's the brilliant, she's an author and she's a journalist. I mean I will never forget her running the marathon In her pants and bra I've never loved anyone more She is a proper kind of woman's woman She is very smart And she's a brilliant writer But she's written her first adult novel And she sent me one And this book is called People Pleaser But on the front of the proof that they sent me It says Davina is fresh out of fucks I love that She's stuck that on there but that's not No it's not the actual cover it but it's like they've been made specially for people that she's sent the book to and what I like is that this book is about a people pleaser called Olivia Greenwood and one day she goes to a party, a couple of terrible things happen to her I think she takes some kind of psychedelic gummy and then the next morning she's fresh out of fucks and she's like literally unable to people please anymore now people pleasing is such a chronic kind of um syndrome that i absolutely had all my life trying to get my parents or people to approve of me i mean in particular my mum you know and i would just have done anything for her attention but as i've got older as people are probably noticing that is happening less and less yeah you're not such a people pleaser are you when I met you fresh out of fucks

17:43Michael Douglas: you were brilliant you know but now I'm like fuck how would happen to her you know she used to do everything I asked

17:52Davina McCall: I pretty much do so yeah

17:54Michael Douglas: it was a joke it was a joke

17:56Davina McCall: but it's not out until April so I'm not going to talk about it properly until then until you can actually get it but I'm excited about it and thank you Briony for sending one to me I'm going to read it now I've just finished I just want to quickly also talk about Elizabeth Day I've just finished Elizabeth Day's book One of Us and she is absolutely brilliant Elizabeth Day is one of my absolute number one favourite people ever in the world so I interviewed her on the

18:25Michael Douglas: pod yeah I may have

18:27Davina McCall: come back and gone right Elizabeth Day is going to be our friend like we can't

18:32Michael Douglas: I've not met her yet

18:33Davina McCall: That's...

18:34Michael Douglas: What? Keeping her from me, yeah.

18:35Davina McCall: Have you not met her yet?

18:36Michael Douglas: No, I was just... We've invited her to a few things, haven't we? We didn't meet her last week, but she pulled out.

18:41Davina McCall: But she is an absolutely brilliant writer. And this book is basically about best mates. And then an event happened and it, like, ripped them apart. And then he got invited back into the fold sort of seven, eight years later. and can't wait to kind of, you know, get back in with everybody. But it's now like everything's changed in seven years. And it's like, how do they... Anyway, it's funny, it's clever, it's brilliantly written. Please get it, One of Us by Elizabeth Day. It's really good. And she's got me back into reading because I wasn't reading at all. I mean, obviously, with my brain tumour and everything, it was hard for me to remember.

19:27Davina McCall: I mean if I started reading a book the next day I would wake up and I would have forgotten what I'd read

19:33Michael Douglas: what I've started to do is buy the book because I enjoyed the reading of the book I like the physical turn page I also buy the audio book

19:40Davina McCall: so you can listen to it in between that's such a good idea

19:44Michael Douglas: do both

19:46Davina McCall: I mean I know that's expensive for some people but it's a good idea

19:50Michael Douglas: if you want to read something you haven't got the time because you're on a car or a train or whatever it is Well, a car journey.

19:58Davina McCall: It's two hours of listening to a book. It's been fucking great.

20:01Michael Douglas: Super, super nice. I find it also nice and relaxing. But I do realise that your brain really benefits from reading the words, you know. So if you can at any point do that, that would be good.

20:15Michael Douglas: On the subject of the visit of the day, we were invited to a restaurant this week. Well, last week it might have been now. Yeah. By a friend of ours, Jack, who does the PR for this restaurant. anyway so we're doing Davina would you like to come to this restaurant event that we're having so the restaurant's called Sucre

20:33Davina McCall: Sucre yeah Sucre

20:35Michael Douglas: is that how you say it in French?

20:37Davina McCall: Sucre Sucre very good don't take the piss yep

20:43Michael Douglas: sounded a bit Welsh there so anyway it's called Sucre and it's on Great Marlborough Street so that's right by Liberty's so I would highly recommend this place it's really nice little

20:55Davina McCall: The food was delicious.

20:56Michael Douglas: Startery things. Wasn't it? Yeah, I had a lovely fish cake or something. And then I just got a steak with some dauphinoise potatoes and everything. Yeah, God. Oh, my God. Jesus Christ. It was so good. Yeah.

21:07Davina McCall: I forgot about that. That was unbelievable.

21:10Michael Douglas: It really was superb. Wine was lovely. The restaurant itself was gorgeous.

21:16Davina McCall: Everyone they'd invited for the event was really cool and brilliant, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Wasn't it?

21:20Michael Douglas: Simon Le Bon was there.

21:22Davina McCall: Yeah, and Yasmin. and Yasmeh was a model at Models 1 when I was a booker. It was so nice to see them.

21:26Michael Douglas: I called her Rio. I was like, hey, Rio. Shut up. That's not Rio. Michael. Where's Rio? But yeah, they were super nice and friendly. But Elizabeth Day was meant to go to that and I was looking forward to meeting her anyway. It turns out she couldn't go.

21:37Davina McCall: Yeah, that was a real shame actually, wasn't it?

21:40Michael Douglas: Yeah. We'll do dinner. Yeah, yeah, good. One thing I was going to mention is you talked about Fern Cotton earlier. We've become kind of friendly with her, more friendly. Well, I have, I guess, recently. You've known her for a long time. But I find it very nice that you two have a podcast which occupy the same space. You could argue that you're in competition with each other.

22:01Davina McCall: Yeah, it's so funny because I don't think we feel like that at all.

22:04Michael Douglas: That's what I'm saying about it out loud is how nice it is that you can both occupy the same space but not feel threatened by each other.

22:13Davina McCall: Yeah, because I also think like what's interesting is because Fern is a different person, she often will ask different questions to me. I would like listen to one of her pods for research. Yeah. If I'm interviewing the same person. And I think she is quite brilliant. Yeah, me too. I really love her so much. It's a bit like I had Joe Wicks on Begin Again and we basically filled the same kind of space with our love for exercise. But we have never, ever slagged each other off or been rude about each other.

22:47Michael Douglas: It's encouraging each other.

22:48Davina McCall: Because, yeah, I admire what he's doing. I admire what Fern does because there's space for everybody. And I actually think that the world is a horrible place online and all around. If you are in the same business as someone else, entertainment or broadcasting or whatever, don't publicly slap them off. Like it's just it's a waste of life.

23:10Michael Douglas: Yeah, it really is, isn't it? Yeah.

23:11Davina McCall: Like if you've got real beef with someone, contact them. Well, no, contact them and tell them. Like it's very easy nowadays. if I ever have beef with someone online I just DM them I don't go online and make a huge song and dance about it

23:26Michael Douglas: I wonder why it's called beef

23:29Davina McCall: oh let's look that up

23:31Michael Douglas: it's not called chicken

23:33Davina McCall: if you've got chicken with someone

23:35Michael Douglas: I've got a bit of lamb

23:37Davina McCall: pork even

23:38Michael Douglas: pork could be better but anyway I wanted to congratulate you on you and her and having such a lovely friendship in a place where you could arguably be in competition with each other, but that doesn't even touch the sides.

23:53Davina McCall: Not even touch the sides. And, you know, our illnesses really... Actually, it was sport relief that brought us together. We did a huge challenge from John O 'Groats to Land's End, and we got on brilliantly then. And we've been friends, you know, since then, but kind of lightly. You know, casual friends, messaging every now and again, and I'd check in with her, she'd check in with me. But then when we both got sick, she really, really stepped up. She was amazing. And I like to hope that I reciprocated in some way. You absolutely do. And I absolutely love that woman. Like, you know, your granny used to say to you, I love the bones of you, Michael.

24:38Davina McCall: Like, I love the bones of Ferncom.

24:41Michael Douglas: she just like you has peculiarly got more attractive as she's older

24:46Davina McCall: yes oh my god she's so attractive isn't she?

24:50Michael Douglas: but so are you I mean I think some things happen to the water where it always used to be that men got older and more attractive or more suave or handsome but I'm not sure about that I mean I feel like I'm deteriorating quite badly but you on the other hand I saw a picture I saw a clip of you being interviewed in about 2000.

25:11Davina McCall: Yeah, fuck, it's mad, isn't it?

25:12Michael Douglas: Who is that?

25:14Davina McCall: I feel the same.

25:15Michael Douglas: Yeah, it's mad how much more attractive you are now. It's quite weird. Yeah, it's very good for me. I'm delighted that you've not got worse.

25:30Davina McCall: Great.

25:31Michael Douglas: But I also wonder whether, well, I'll tell you what's come as a great relief to me.

25:36Davina McCall: Yeah, go on.

25:36Michael Douglas: is that I have found older women attractive as I've got older. Yes. You know, like for a lot of men. Yes, they stayed finding young. They're still like 25 or 28 year old or whatever.

25:46Davina McCall: It's a massive relief to me as well.

25:48Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm delighted. I'm always slightly liked to the older woman. You've always, yeah. You know, most of my girlfriends have been older than me.

25:56Davina McCall: Yes. Do you know, I think I know what that is though.

26:00Michael Douglas: Yeah, you think?

26:01Davina McCall: Because of your brain.

26:02Michael Douglas: Okay.

26:03Davina McCall: You're very clever. Right. and you need somebody, you would have needed somebody older than you when you were younger to match you.

26:12Michael Douglas: I'd have a decent chat with you. Anyway, yeah, it's a great relief that I don't fancy young girls, young totty. And to me. Yeah. Okay, we're on to 27 minutes. Yes. One thing I do want to talk about is this site, an Instagram page that I've stumbled across, which some of you else of you will have stumbled across as well. It's called VHS Dates. And they are videotapes from like matchmaking. There wouldn't have been websites in this, because it would have been the 80s. So you would have sent in a tape and somebody would have watched it and matchmaked you with somebody else. But these tapes are so funny.

26:53Michael Douglas: So there's two or three things about it that I love. First of all, it is properly a little step back in time to roughly, I would say, 1987, something like that. Look at the hair. The hair is outrageous, but the men are horrendous, really. But it's what they say about themselves as, like, you know, the potential to be dating someone. I just thought, listen to this guy.

27:17Bryony Gordon: Someone who can take care of my three daughters, a mom for them and a hot mama for me. I have not been in love, much to the shagrin of my first wife. I would describe myself as a success. If you're looking for a guy who makes 51K a year, if you're looking for a guy who's got a convertible, I'm your man. If you're looking for a guy who's adventurous and sexy, let's just say that next to my waterbed is a can of whipped cream and some cherries. My hidden talents include some very good impressions. Johnny Carson, what would my three wishes be? Well, I'd like to have a dinner one time. I like to have Sheena Easton, Tom Selleck, and Abraham Lincoln over for dinner.

28:05Bryony Gordon: I know how to charm the socks off people. I often go to restaurants and I will, while people are eating, I'll start talking to them. I'm the kind of guy who will bring out the best in a night. My ideal romantic partner is you look like Sheena Easton. You wear high heels. Lots and lots of crimson lipstick as well. That's what I like.

28:31Michael Douglas: That's what I like.

28:32Bryony Gordon: Oh, my God, look at him.

28:33Davina McCall: He looks like him.

28:33Michael Douglas: All right.

28:34Davina McCall: I mean... I mean... No, but wait, next to my waterbed is some whipped cream and cherries.

28:40Bryony Gordon: Good-cubed cherries, yeah. A really good kisser just sends me to the moon. Hold hands. That touch just feels very intimate and special. My name is Becky. I really love a manly man

29:00Davina McCall: I want to run my fingers through your chest here Becky needs to go out with the guy we just saw, no?

29:06Michael Douglas: Yes, I mean they'd be a great match, wouldn't they? But honestly, I just love watching these videos There's just something so nostalgic about them

29:14Davina McCall: But also really pure

29:16Michael Douglas: Yes, I mean people saying what they actually want You know, rather than the game I know, there's no catfishing here

29:22Davina McCall: I don't think so, no That's not a photograph that's been airbrushed and da-da-da. That is what they really look like. And they're telling you what they're really like.

29:31Michael Douglas: We met a couple at the Sucra dinner that were sat next to us who'd met on Hinge and were getting married. And I thought, oh, great. You know, what a great story. Been together like six or seven years or something.

29:42Davina McCall: Yeah, they've been together a long time. Yeah. They were really nice.

29:45Michael Douglas: Yeah, they were really nice, weren't they? Everybody we met there that night was super nice. But the difference now between the dating game compared to what it would have been like then and the pool of people you had to choose from, especially if you're in a small town or something, there's only three other videos in there, you know. But anyway, it's called VHS Dates and it's on Instagram. And if you've not seen it, then absolutely give it a whirl. It's got nearly a million followers, 859 ,000 followers.

30:15Davina McCall: Wow.

30:16Michael Douglas: And yeah, it's thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyable.

30:18Davina McCall: I want to finish off with one thing, one recommendation, which is my friend, Georgie Pincus, has started a business called Georgie Girl Kashmir. And it's basically sustainable Kashmir. So it's like quite luxurious, obviously, because it's Kashmir. But she's making like little leg warmers.

30:45Michael Douglas: Yeah. So things that you, well, firstly, if you're walking around the house in little shorty pajamas and some of these leg warmers, or look, I'm going to show you some pictures. Oh, Jesus.

31:01Davina McCall: You know, like they're just that your feet are out and it's just like keeping your calves on, but they're very sexy. But they could also be very cozy. They don't have to be. So you could wear them with clothes. Yeah. Okay. just over a shoe. So you don't have to have two pairs of socks in the shoe, but you can have warmer ankles when you go out. They are really cute, but also they look great for exercising. They look great with... But they can be very cute, but they're also sexy. So if you're a dancer, they're amazing. Oh, yes.

31:37Michael Douglas: What were they called, the old dancers' things? I think they were called leg warmers. Leg warmers. Yeah, they were. Sorry. Yeah, that's right. Okay, yeah.

31:44Davina McCall: So, you know, I'm a maniac, maniac. No, they were wearing headwaters. God, that's so 80s. It is so 80s. So it's on Instagram. It's called georgiegirlcashmere.org. And basically they are in sort of around the 70 pound mark. But they're cashmere and they're, you know, big. They're covering your whole feet. And they've got them in like pink and grey. and they are very, very sweet and sustainable, by the way.

32:17Michael Douglas: Very good.

32:18Davina McCall: So just to say, well done, Georgie. We're very, very proud of you. Congratulations.

32:22Michael Douglas: Let's do a couple of little shout-outs here.

32:24Davina McCall: I like the name of the company, Georgie Girl Kashmir. Yeah. That's cute.

32:28Michael Douglas: Do you remember Gregory's Girl? Yes, of course. It was a good film, that one.

32:31Davina McCall: It was amazing.

32:34Michael Douglas: You should give that a watch maybe in the next week or so. It was so good.

32:37Davina McCall: Chester would love it.

32:38Michael Douglas: Yeah. I've got my birthday cinema movie night coming up in May no I think you need something

32:44Davina McCall: I think you need something better

32:46Michael Douglas: no well I'm going to go with Eternal Sunshine oh good don't tell anybody that no you lot know one obviously but don't tell the guests don't tell anybody I'd like to surprise them but Gregory's Girl would not be a bad shout such a good film Charlie Pops 224 underscore says love having you back each week accompanying me on my day off catching up with jobs I have a great recommendation for you both which I think you'll love. It's a book called You Know by Alice Grist. It's all about working with your intuition. Oh, I've already bought it. And some incredible real-life stories of your intuition playing out.

33:21Michael Douglas: I would love to hear your stories following your intuition. My story is yet to be told, Charlie, but that is precisely what I've been doing for about eight years now.

33:32Davina McCall: Who's it written by?

33:34Michael Douglas: Alice Grist. She's posted. a picture of it. There you go. You know. Yeah, it's really, I love that, you know, we listen to Ram Dass quite a lot and he says, the confusion is saying, I don't know. But when you are quiet, you find out in real, in true life, you do know.

33:54Davina McCall: Yeah.

33:55Michael Douglas: Because in you, you know.

33:57Davina McCall: I mean, and you do.

33:59Michael Douglas: Yeah. My son's got a bit of a dilemma at the moment with a job he would like to take, but he seems hesitant. Nervous. So I said to him today, look sit down on the edge of your bed in silence for just like 10 minutes or something and then just ask yourself the question should I take the job and the answer you get is the answer you should do yeah now as soon as you get the answer loads of doubt will come in and say yeah but you might you might be making a mistake or what you're going to miss out on the job that you've already been offered and all that stuff so don't don't worry about the doubt all that is normal you know you can't have certainty without doubt.

34:36Michael Douglas: It's the only reason certainty can exist, it's because doubt exists, you know. So you end up with... Wait, wait, say that again. Well, there is no certainty without doubt. You can't be certain about anything. And certainty requires doubt, otherwise there would be no certainty.

34:54Davina McCall: There's nothing to fight out about it. Yeah, there's no resistance there, it would just be a thing, you know.

34:58Michael Douglas: So it's just part of the deal.

34:59Davina McCall: I love it when you say something that actually just fries my brain a bit. I'm like, what? Hang on. What? Yeah, oh my God, without doubt, no certainty. That's so mad.

35:11Michael Douglas: Do you know where I got that from? No. I got it from a Bruce Springsteen song called Brilliant Disguise. I'm just going to read you some of the lyrics, but there's a lovely bit at the end.

35:21Davina McCall: I'm writing that down as another recommendation.

35:23Michael Douglas: Well, the Brilliant Disguise.

35:24Davina McCall: Springsteen.

35:25Michael Douglas: Oh, it's such a good song. Is it?

35:27Davina McCall: Is it called The Brilliant Disguise or just Brilliant Disguise?

35:32Michael Douglas: Brilliant. Yeah, it's just called Brilliant Disguise. It's like Arctic Monkeys. Let me see if I've got lyrics.

35:41Davina McCall: Or Menopause. There's no dirt in front of it.

35:45Michael Douglas: Yeah. So it's about, you know, being in love, you know, and he's saying I hold you in my arms as the band plays, so on and so forth. And then he says, you know just what I've got in this new thing I've found, so tell me what I see when I look in your eyes is that you baby or just a brilliant disguise and then it goes on to say is that you baby or just a brilliant disguise and then it goes on to say he talks about himself I play the faithful man but just don't look too close into the palm of my hand and we stood at the altar you know we said our vows and all that so and then he says when you look at me, you better look hard and look twice.

36:29Michael Douglas: Is that me, baby? Or am I just a brilliant disguise? Like, am I disguised from myself? I'm just playing a part because I love you so much, but I'm not being myself, which I absolutely love. There's a brilliant line at the end, and it says, tonight our bed is cold. I'm lost in the darkness of our love. God have mercy on the man who doubts what he's sure of. And I love that line at the end.

36:54Davina McCall: Who doubts what he's sure of. Yeah. Yeah.

36:56Michael Douglas: Because you can't be sure of anything. Yes, and without doubt. Because, you know, the doubt gives you the certainty and takes it away at the same time. You know, you can't live with it. And it's one of the great paradoxes of life. You don't know anything. Nobody even knows why we're here for fuck's sake, you know. But all you can do really is trust your intuition, I think. And that's what I love about that idea. But if you ask yourself the question, what should I do? The answer's there. And then the rest of it. And then you have to trust it. Yeah. And the doubt will just come. Of course it will.

37:28Michael Douglas: And it's just chaos and noise and uncertainty and everything. Just try and let go of that, really. Take the answer and run with it, you know. Even if it's frightening, that's the point of it.

37:37Davina McCall: Generally speaking, when I hear the answer, because we've been doing this for a while, when I hear the answer, I know it's true.

37:47Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah. I go. Yeah, you know. Oh, okay. And that's the thing about you know.

37:51Davina McCall: And it's something I've been asking other people the same question and they've been giving me different answers. And I haven't settled with that because I know they're not giving me the answer I want.

38:00Michael Douglas: Yeah, well, the answer you already know. Yes. Yeah, yeah. I stopped taking advice a long time ago, really, because I realised that I want to be responsible for the decisions I'm going to be here. For your life, yeah, exactly. Another one, Emma Cuthbert here says, Oh, Emma! Oh, my God, just catching up on last week's podcast and mentioned, oh, thank you so much for being so kind and giving me a shout out. I don't think I'll get over it. Honestly, Davina, you should do more of these talks. she was so good she could be a motivational speaker I think you are already I took so much away from her and learned so much I'm really pleased thanks Emma

38:33Davina McCall: that means a lot

38:34Michael Douglas: also the way she talks about your relationship I love you for each other yes beautiful thanks again for the mention it made my day

38:41Davina McCall: well thank you for being like a lifelong fan not fan but part of our gang we're so pleased thank you Emma

38:49Michael Douglas: and then we sent mouthwash Leah Jeffries' video last week oh yes you are legends thank you from the bottom of my heart you are very welcome and then YCunning1980 says hello you lovely pair, huge congratulations on your marriage, begin again indeed, thank goodness for better health Davina and the strength of Michael around you thank you, just wanted to give you an update from my message above, my sister had all her cervical cancer treatment and after five gruelling months the tumour is gone yes can you believe it, my sis had mastectomy 2 so she's been through the wars she's been so upbeat and full of life full of enthusiasm oh good girl and then oh and she's recommending The Shrinking on Apple TV with Harrison Ford yes so good yeah it's really good isn't it

39:38Davina McCall: it's really funny Harrison Ford is absolutely brilliant in it

39:42Michael Douglas: yeah fantastic cast great episodes really feels like I've had a therapy after each episode yeah keep up the fab podcasts so good to hear your voices again

39:50Davina McCall: and thanks so much for that news that's great

39:53Michael Douglas: Yeah, we've been going to Brighton for our summer halls for the last few years from the West End of Scotland. Love, love, love Brighton. Yeah, we worked there recently. Lots of love, everybody. This is supposed to be the final episode, but I think we'll do another episode next week.

40:09Davina McCall: I mean, it's going to end up with like 250 episodes in. We're still doing it.

40:14Michael Douglas: We've already done over 250, I think, you know.

40:16Davina McCall: No, but I mean like on the trot.

40:19Michael Douglas: One other thing is we're going to watch the film I Swear Tonight. Yes. Which is a Scottish film.

40:25Davina McCall: Let's all watch it together this week.

40:26Michael Douglas: 8.4 on IMDb.

40:28Davina McCall: I mean, that's unheard of. Two hours long.

40:30Michael Douglas: My dad had recommended it to me and said it was really good. Yeah. Great. I've got to watch it, so I can have a chat with him. All right. Take care, everybody. See you soon. Love you. Love you.