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Making The Cut with Davina McCall & Michael Douglas

10 Apr 2026 · 33m · 13 chapters

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SERIES 17: Episode 2 - Credit Card Wand, Hotut, Projector, Garnier Tinted Moisturiser

In short

The episode is a mix of listener updates, product recommendations, and a “goodness in the world” idea. They start by thanking faithful listeners and discussing how they save podcast ideas. They recommend a quirky wholesome hospitality-themed podcast about two friends (one UK, one New Zealand; both now living in Canada and running a coffee shop). They then highlight: a “credit card wand” (a fairy-style wand with a card slot; used for tapping into places like transport, shops, and hotel rooms; bought via Amazon/Etsy; prices mentioned from about £5 to £17); Hotut motion-sensor toilet light (glow-in-the-bowl or disco-ball mode; ~£9.99); and Garnier Vitamin C Wonder Tint tinted moisturiser (SPF50+ with niacinamide/glycerin/vitamin C; light/medium/dark shades; ~£9.99 at Boots). They also share a “You’re a Good Man text” concept: sending appreciative messages to admired people to encourage better behavior, noting it led to unexpectedly heartfelt replies.

Notable examples

“RollTunes.animation” (funny cartoons), Whole Foods “Savor the Tropics” promo, and projecting a short-throw AWOL LTV 3000 Pro projector (used for IMAX-like viewing of The Revenant).

Guests

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Chapters

1:06

Content Creation Process

Hosts discuss their process for generating podcast ideas.

“so thank you so much for the encouragement.”
1:43

Funny Cartoon Discussion

Hosts share humorous cartoons and discuss their meanings.

“Because it's an Insta post or something.”
2:41

Reflections on Life Choices

Hosts talk about living without regrets and taking chances.

“I don't think, yeah, I'm struggling to find the thing, but it was a little cartoon of God sending one last toxic partner to you.”
4:03

Podcast Recommendation

Hosts recommend a new podcast about friendships in hospitality.

“But you're right, the older we get, the more we need to think about what we want to achieve and what we'd like to leave behind.”
5:15

Exciting Product Reviews

Hosts discuss two fun products that bring joy to daily life.

“And I just want to say to Joella and Helena, thanks for persisting with sending us a message to give you a shout out.”
11:00

Artist Shoutout and Book Discussion

Hosts acknowledge an artist and discuss their reading habits.

“This is just a second shout out for her.”
12:29

Book Writing Ideas

Hosts brainstorm ideas about writing a book and potential titles.

“love it we do get quite a lot of people wanting to send us books that they've written but I just want to warn people we have so little time to read a book that we would actively go and search to choose to read.”
14:01

Creative Studio Setup

Learn about transforming a creative space for productivity.

“It's All My Fault is one of my favourites.”
14:28

The Projector Experience

Discover the benefits of using a short throw projector in a creative space.

“So as a lot of you know, I've got a studio in Soho where I basically work out of.”
17:51

Garnier Vitamin C Wonder Tint

Hear about the features and benefits of a new tinted moisturizer.

“And they do three different versions of this projector.”
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22:27

The Good Man Text

Discuss the idea of sending positive messages to good men in your life.

“Because when I'm not working, I want a bit of coverage, but I don't want a foundation.”
28:00

Encouraging Goodness Through Positive Messaging

Explore the idea of using positive messages to promote good behavior in others.

“Well, it would be conditional on getting another message.”
31:34

Listener Recommendations and Interactions

Review listener comments and recommendations shared by the hosts.

“She was the one that sent me the message in the beads.”
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0:00Save on tropical flavors at Whole Foods Market during the Savor the Tropics event with yellow sales signs highlighting seasonal finds throughout the store. The produce section is bursting with pineapples, mangoes, and kiwis at their juiciest. Grill up fresh seafood paired with tropical fruit marinades or grab and enjoy the spicy Hawaiian pizza, huli huli chicken, and more. Finish with a sweet slice of mango yuzu chantilly cake. Savor the tropics and save at Whole Foods Market.

0:37Michael Douglas: OK, we're away. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to... Making the Cup podcast. There's a trip advisor for your life, apparently. It depends what your life's like, but hopefully... It'll be better after you've listened to this podcast. Yeah, episode 2, season 17. Can you believe that? It's getting ridiculous now. It is, isn't it? Yeah. But I just want to say big ups to our listeners. I think we've got the most faithful listeners ever. We've got great listeners. They're so good and kind. You all seem very grateful that we're back, so thank you so much for the encouragement. And we love your input. Yeah, yeah, it's great.

1:13Michael Douglas: What they would say is, because we self-produced this, there isn't anybody else working on it. No. So it is hard to remember, because what happened on a Wednesday or something is I'll think, oh, wow, this is brilliant. I'll stick that on making the cut. And then I'll save it in my phone somewhere. Yes. And then it's gone, you know. I always put it, I have a Making the Cut notes page for that week. Yeah, okay. And I put all the Making the Cut ideas in that notes page. What I'll often do is screen grab stuff. Oh, I see. It's a photo. Yes. Because it's an Insta post or something. Oh, do you know what I do with Insta posts?

1:49Michael Douglas: Yeah, you can put them in notes as well. Yes, you can. There was a couple this week. Oh, there was a good one. It was called loltoons.animation. Yeah. But it was a very funny post. I didn't realise I'd save this. I sent this for you because it's quite funny. Oh, yeah. Let me find it. What do you call it? Lol. Lol Toons. Lol Toons? And these little funny black and white kind of... Did you like your sausage with the hair that I sent you? You sent me a sausage with hair? I posted it on my stories and I tagged you in it. Okay. And it was a sausage dancing with a bob. It was a cartoon. Yes, I do. Yeah, it's very funny.

2:28Michael Douglas: It made me think of you and how good you make women feel and how good this sausage felt about her bob. Oh, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, she just was like sassing about and I thought, there we go. That is Michael in a nutshell. We're going to cut all of this bit out. No, no, we don't have to cut this out. I don't think, yeah, I'm struggling to find the thing, but it was a little cartoon of God sending one last toxic partner to you. Well, you're not it. No, no, I know. It was just very funny because I know people that just think, Jesus Christ, how many more bad relationships do I have to have?

3:03Michael Douglas: And God goes, yeah, I'm just going to send them one more. And then, like, the disciples are going, oh, no, no, don't send him. Send him a good one. And it's like, no, no, one more. I'm God. I'm going to decide. He's one more horrible relationship, you know. And it really just made me laugh when you think, oh, God. Please, do I have to? But it's called RollTunes.animation. They've got half a million, no, 225 ,000 followers. But I was powering through that and really giggling the other day, thinking, oh, this is a good account, you know. I don't really just enjoy things that make me laugh. I know, me too.

3:38Michael Douglas: It's so refreshing just to laugh. I know, it is. Let me see if I've saved anything else in here as well. So, yes, somebody got in touch with us. They originally sent us a message in November last year. Yes. And they were listening to our podcast. when you talk about not regretting things before you die. Yes. And just going for it, even if it doesn't work out, you know, at least you went for it, you know. It makes you think that we just plod along towards death. But you're right, the older we get, the more we need to think about what we want to achieve and what we'd like to leave behind. And on that note, I'm going for it again.

4:15Michael Douglas: I'm putting our podcast out there for you to hopefully pick up and give it a shout out. And I said, yeah, bloody right, let's do that. So this is about a friendship between two girls that forged working in the hospitality section. Sector? Yeah, yes. And it's a slightly quirky but wholesome podcast. You will hear about customers that have had the potential to make or break a perfectly great working day. What it's like to live in a country, not your own. And the banter between two great friends. Occasionally you might get a glimpse into the beauty that is humanity. Where do they live? So I think they live in Canada.

4:52Michael Douglas: One of them is originally from the UK and the other from New Zealand, but they both live in Canada and they run a coffee shop. And they said, we know how to laugh at ourselves, at each other, and most importantly, at other people. We simply want to invite you in to have a cuppa with us and enjoy the conversation. Wow. Oh, and wait, another thing. Hence the name and another thing. Anyway, that sounds great. We haven't listened to it, but I'm definitely going to give it that listen this week. And I just want to say to Joella and Helena, thanks for persisting with sending us a message to give you a shout out.

5:25Michael Douglas: And good luck with everything that's going on. Good luck. With you out there. I'm looking forward to listening to that. And anybody else who wants to listen as well, go for it. OK, great. So I've got two products to talk about that I am incredibly excited about. I mean, so overexcited. The first one I'm going to talk about, I've bought 10 of. And I'm literally giving them to everybody I meet. Okay, great. And the joy it brings, not only to me, but to everyone that sees me use it, is without parallel. I have never made people laugh or smile as much as I do when I use this. So basically, I saw it online.

6:09I saw it on Instagram, but it's all over TikTok as well. It is a wand that you can buy on Amazon You can buy, I've just bought an absolutely awesome one on Etsy I've bought a rainbow wand It looks so pretty So basically, it is quite a big wand Like a fairy would use Like your fairy godmother Would come along and bestow your greatest wishes upon you with this wand So in this star on the top of the wand, when you unscrew it off the handle, there is a debit or credit card size slot that you can slot your card into. Then you reattach the handle. The handle comes in two parts, so you can undo the whole thing and slot it into your handbag.

7:04But you can then use it, and I've tried it everywhere now. Now, you can use it at the train station, at the underground, in the news agents, at the shops, buying clothes. You can use it. Oh, my brother and sister-in-law, my ex-brother and sister-in-law gave it to their kids to use it to get into their hotel room. I mean, literally, it is the greatest fun ever. I went to go and have a checkup on my boobs the other day. obviously quite a serious day quite heavy i went to go and pay my bill and uh i tapped my wand and literally people were like beside themselves and i thought this heavy day has become very joyful and funny and i've not only put a smile on other people's faces but i've put a smile on mine by the way it was all clear just letting everyone know thank god for that yeah good news good news so that's number one you can get them everywhere so um wand that you can put credit card in is on amazon it's on etsy yeah it's just just type it into your um the bar on your server and it you will find out how much are they um anything ranging from i think that one's like a fiver okay um i've just got a plain gold one but the rainbow one i just bought which is epic it's it's from a 3D printer cost£17 on Etsy.

8:34But the joy, give it to everybody, you know. It is something every woman and man should have in their bag.

8:45Michael Douglas: They are very, very funny. They're a nice way to meet people. Oh, right. Because you use it and it's like, what the fuck's that? Yes. It's like, wait, I tell you, you know, all of a sudden you've got a friend. Imagine you're going out in a bar at night and you whacking that out. Everybody's going love you everyone's going to be talking to you yeah the second thing is something you introduced me to yes that the other day ours ran out of battery and i can't live without it yeah it's good isn't it i literally cannot survive without this so this is by a company called hot tut h-o-t-u-t it sounds like is your tut like your ass hot tub she's got a well hot tub anyway hot tub toilet light so when you walk into your bathroom at night which we know is a treacherous thing the light comes on automatically because it is um it's like a sensor it's got a motion sensor on it and it then can do various things it can create different coloured lights.

9:54It can do kind of like a rotating light so you've got green, purple, red, yellow. You can do whatever you want basically but it means that you can find the loo which is great but it also doesn't make a very very bright light and it doesn't wake up your partner and it's not annoying. It's just super duper helpful and quite fun. It's like a

10:16Michael Douglas: glow in the bowl. Glow in the bowl that's exactly what it is. The toilet bowl just glows gently. We've got another one, though, that is a disco ball in the toilet. So when you go in the toilet, it's a sensor. And then it's like a full-blown nightclub in the toilet. So it can be a bit overstimulated at three in the morning, that sometimes. Yes, but it makes me laugh. Yeah, yeah, it is quite nice, isn't it? And then the light comes through to the bedroom next year. The bedroom's like banging, and then I'm like, yeah. So it's£9.99 on Amazon. Just look up hot tap motion sensor toilet light. I cannot recommend it high enough these two things bring joy to our lives and that's what we want to do for you Alice Masters artist we talked about her she paints disco balls she's amazing she very kindly sent us a print of one of the pictures that she'd done and we've just had it framed so I'll take a picture of that and we'll post it perhaps on this week's podcast post so people can see it so awesome But she's called Alice Masters Artist on Instagram.

11:24Michael Douglas: This is just a second shout out for her. But just say a massive thank you for sending us that print. It is stunning. And AliceMastersArt.com if you want to find her online. Because she's got this new print. And it is a limited edition. There is one of 300, a limited edition of 300. and that is£225. And then there's another one which is more limited because it's got 23-carat gold leaf on it and that's an addition of 50 and that's£300. UK delivery is£6, Europe 15, US 20 and worldwide 25 because we know we've got listeners elsewhere in the world. But go and have a look at alicemastersart.com I mean and have a look at that print it is absolutely incredible and we'll send you a photograph of ours framed yeah brilliant yes it was so good so thanks Alice it was absolutely great love it we do get quite a lot of people wanting to send us books that they've written but I just want to warn people we have so little time to read a book that we would actively go and search to choose to read.

12:43Michael Douglas: It's very, very hard to read books. So just bear that in mind, if you want to send one, it's highly unlikely we'll ever get the chance to read it, even if we wanted to. Because the time is just so tight. I've set aside some time this summer to read Dawn French's new book. Because I did some work helping her do all the publicity pictures. Oh yes, that sounds... Sounds like a great book. Like it. When's that out? May. Great. So I am going to say that is one book I'm going to read and we'll talk about it. I'm really excited about that. Yeah. Someone suggested I write a book recently. I want to hear the book, but I also, I think you need to do a book and a tour.

13:21Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah, I'd have to do a bit of both. No, but I want to hear you talk. Yeah, okay. I'm hearing you talk. I don't think I could write a book. You could easily write a book. Oh, my God, you've seen my writing. You've got a lot to say. Type it, you nana. Yeah, I do. Or, or. I'd speak it. No, you could just talk it into being. Yeah, talk it into being. Just voice note it. Yeah, I might have to do that. Anyway, it feels like a dread to the idea of the rest of the book. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Topic. Of the book? Yes. Oh, crikey. I'd have to think, really, but it would probably be called Insecurity or something like that.

13:56Michael Douglas: There's a joke about security. So something like that. One of my statements, All My Fault, something like that. It's All My Fault is one of my favourites. Yeah, it's a good one, that, isn't it? We've talked about your T-shirts, but they're so good. Yeah, that one's a good one. We could just call it homeostasis. That's quite a good name for a book, isn't it? Homeostasis is a great name for a book. How to find balance in the chaos. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, let's give that some thought. Okay, I've got a brilliant recommendation. Yeah, go, go, go. I've had this for a while. So as a lot of you know, I've got a studio in Soho where I basically work out of.

14:33Michael Douglas: It's a creative space, is how I'd best describe it. I can cut people's hair there. We can host events there. you can film all types of content in there it's great for meetings I've got an office and a kitchen you can even cook in there and experiment with food like it's a lovely space about a thousand square foot and I have this lovely room in the front which you've all seen on Instagram and it was a bit like an apartment but what I wanted to do this year was try to try and approach running my company in a slightly different more open-hearted way so I redesigned it a little bit and I wanted a projector, but a big projector.

15:10Michael Douglas: Oh, this is so good. They're projected right across almost the whole wall. But they do these things called short throw protectors. So you don't end up stood in the light. So there's no shadow on the projection. So they can either project from the floor upwards and they only need to be about 20 to 30 centimetres away from the wall to project 150 inches. Now, I know... Just explain that quickly because normally you'd have to have a projector on the other side of the room and people would keep walking through the light. Yeah, because it's got to be like 12 feet away or something. That's so clever.

15:46Michael Douglas: I realise, I'm aware that I'm going metric and imperial here. I talk to inches and centimetres. So I don't know what 150 inches is in centimetres, but it's a huge screen. If you think a massive TV is 80 inches. Oh, I know what they can do. They can go and look at your Instagram account. Yeah, go and look at the internet. Because it's on the wall. Yeah, you'll see the scale of it. And I just painted a panel of the wall white. I didn't get a projector screen or anything like that. As long as your wall is pretty smooth, a flat surface, it's totally fine. And can I just tell everybody that you actually did physically paint the wall?

16:22Like, you are that guy. I decorated the whole studio in January, yeah. You did it all yourself. Yeah. You don't hire anyone in.

16:29Michael Douglas: No, no, you don't want to do it yourself. You don't want to feel a sense of pride, don't you? I don't. You don't want to. You want to feel proud, yeah. So, and then what I wanted to do is suspend it from the ceiling. So I had to drill four holes through a steel RSJ girder. Jesus, is that safe? Fucking hell. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they're very safe. But trying to drill with a hand drill, you know, through steel. Fucking hell. It nearly killed me, I tell you. I was covered in shards of metal. They were all in my hair and in my face and everything. Oh, God. That's a bit dodgy. Yeah, I had to wear. I wore sunglasses to do it in to keep my eyes.

17:07Michael Douglas: Anyway, I suspended it from the ceiling, so there's nothing on the floor at all. Yeah. The thing is suspended from the ceiling at about 20 to 30 centimetres away. So what's that? Six, seven inches away from the wall. We don't need to talk in inches anymore. Okay. They're done. And then it projects all the way down to the thing. And it is brilliant. I mean, I put The Revenant on the other day, you know, the Leonardo DiCaprio film. And honestly, it was like being in the IMAX cinema. the detail was bloody breathtaking you know now you can hook it up to hdmi so i've got a fire stick up there so i can watch netflix and all that kind of jazz on it and the iplayer um and then you can put in a memory stick and you can also add a hdmi cable and plug it into virtually anything your computer laptop it wirelessly streams your laptop onto it so if we're doing big talks or presentations at work we're going through the numbers we've got some advertising to look at it all goes up but honestly for a home or if you've got like a a fun room you know that you play music you know something like that this thing was bloody brilliant i'm going to tell you what i just got it from amazon i did quite a bit of research on finding one because yeah i knew there was a lot of crap out there you know so i was like okay i really want to make sure i get the right one i'm just going to scroll through my past orders and find it here it's called It's from a company called AWOL, so A-W-O-L.

18:30Michael Douglas: And they do three different versions of this projector. So I got the LTV 3000 Pro. Now, brace yourself, it was£2 ,089. Now, they do a cheaper one, the LTV 2500, and it's£1 ,200. Yeah. But I did want the extra facilities and extra benefits of it. There is one more expensive at£3 ,500, the LTV 3 ,500 Pro. It's a big unit. I would say like it's 20 inches and it's quite heavy. So you want to make sure you've got a good strong ceiling to fix it into. But you can put it on the floor. Yeah, you can put it on the floor. You can do like a sideboard, you know, like a teak sideboard and just plunk it on there.

19:17Michael Douglas: It will just project straight up. I mean, that's amazing. You could just put it on a table. Yeah, just put it on a table. And it's only, like I say, about six, seven inches from the wall. It's not far away. So it is, it's just brilliant. I love this thing. And a lot of people say, have you done that? So that's what it is. It's the LTV 3000 Pro and it's from Amazon. And it's fully remote controlled and everything. I don't need to touch this thing. It's in place. It does its thing. And it's really good. so for work for pleasure for fun for a playroom for a cinema room fill your boots it's brilliant cinema room oh yeah game changer right yeah yeah we've got like a basement room down here I thought against the back wall of that basement room you just paint it white it'd be fantastic and the other funny thing is like I put these YouTube videos on like a black hole like psychedelic thing psychedelic things they look amazing don't they you're falling into something yeah yeah it's like being on drugs or something yeah Yeah, it's so funny.

20:17Michael Douglas: Something like being on droves. No, but you know what I mean? Like, it makes you feel a wolf. Yeah, it's brilliant. Anyway, fill your boots, folks. It's really good. Save on tropical flavors at Whole Foods Market during the Savor the Tropics event, with yellow sales signs highlighting seasonal finds throughout the store. The produce section is bursting with pineapples, mangoes, and kiwis at their juiciest. Grill up fresh seafood paired with tropical fruit marinades, Parinades or grab and enjoy the spicy Hawaiian pizza, huli huli chicken and more. Finish with a sweet slice of mango yuzu chantilly cake.

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24:27Michael Douglas: yeah good yeah you look pretty banging ok so I've got a couple of things I could talk about I bought some new DJ decks I could talk about them I'm going to talk about this thing that I put in the list a while ago so I was kind of meditating a while back, you know when I say meditating I'm just kind of thinking about life and how you improve things I was thinking about watching, you know, when we watched the Manosphere documentary and how, you know, this kind of breed of horrible man knocking about at the moment, you know. And I was thinking about what could you do, you know, just to improve things a little bit.

25:04That could be in the book.

25:05Michael Douglas: Yeah, it could be. Well, this little thing could be in the book. So what I decided to do is I thought about like a handful of very good men that I know. I'm talking about people that are just really, I've got a lot of love in them. They're really good fathers, very good husbands, good friends to their friends, and would go out of their way to help you or support you or, you know, just offer you encouragement and things like that. And I thought, oh, I'll tell you what might be quite a good idea. If you send a message to these people telling them how you felt about them, I called it the good man text.

25:46Michael Douglas: and what you do is choose four or five very good men that you know and you send them a little message that lets them know that you are aware of how good they are, what a good person they are what they stand for and what they represent how they inspire you in some ways to be a good person Can I ask you something because I think this is quite an interesting conundrum So if you are a woman and you are single or with someone and you are a heterosexual woman. Yeah. And you send out a text to four or five men. Okay. It might be like. Let me just. Yeah. But this is a man sending another man a message.

26:33But I just wasn't sure. Yeah. You were saying you've got to send. And I was thinking some of our listeners are women. Well, a lot of them are women.

26:40Michael Douglas: No, no. So I'm specifically talking about men sending other men messages. OK. Because sometimes I think it gets a bit. Yeah, yeah. You'd end up going, oh, hello. Yeah, yeah. She fancies me. No, I think this could potentially be something that women could do to other women. Yes. Well, that's exactly what I was just thinking. It would be a lovely thing to send a woman something and say, I really respect you. So, anyway, I decided I would do this, choose four men that I really admire, that I really like, that I think are really great. And I sent them these messages. And then I realized within the message, there is a level of judgment and there's also a level of pressure.

27:19Michael Douglas: Because there's this idea that, hang on a second, Michael sees me as this type of person. So I've made a judgment about them, first of all, that I judge them to be good. and that somehow that judgment has value. Now, that might be a bit egotistical of me, but anyway, you know, we can go through the motions of it. I don't think that's egotistical. I think all nice, when anybody thinks anybody nice about you, it's not about ego. There could be an outcome where they go, well, I don't really care what Michael thinks about me. You don't care what they think about you. Oh, no, I do, because that's the weight of it, really.

27:56Oh.

27:56Michael Douglas: Because the weight is, the pressure you put on them is to continue to be good. So it's conditional. Well, it would be conditional on getting another message. Or that my feelings about them would remain the same. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, right. Because I wouldn't do that. No, well, maybe not. I mean, this is what I was thinking about, really. Because it was like, how do you encourage men to be good and stay good? I guess the people that you were messaging will do that. You know that about them. Possibly. But it also is a little nudge to say, I'm watching you and I see you as a good person.

28:32Michael Douglas: So when there's an opportunity for them to be bad, they might think differently about it because remember that message. I'm a good person. What do you think is being bad? Well, like having an extra drink and driving your car. I mean, just like overstepping the line. you know someone offers you some drugs and you know you shouldn't take them but you might take them because you think ah fuck it go on then you know or I don't know going somewhere that you probably shouldn't go you know your conscience normally checks in on you at this point but a lot of people push their conscience to one side but getting a positive message from someone might make you think twice about doing it oh my god I think that's true yeah me too because they'd go like I really enjoyed the fact that somebody saw me as a good person and that's what I like about myself i'd like to i'm gonna stay i'd like to reframe one bit of that for you yeah that's why i've said it um i think that that is so nice and i would completely do that myself but i would do it without the condition that they have to stay the same because i've seen them yeah okay i think my my thing is i'm going to tell you this because i believe this to be true yeah and if if the side effect of that is that it makes them think twice before they then that's great but if it doesn't I don't care yeah but that's exactly what I'm talking about okay I don't want to kind of make them feel something they make the condition not me I'm just telling them they're good but I think the mechanism of hearing those words about yourself would be encouraging yes exactly so I'm not setting the condition the condition is just set as a result of receiving the message um people can do what they like and not try to control anybody.

30:17Michael Douglas: But I thought that would be a very encouraging way to get, to just get a bit more goodness in the world. And then what happened as a result of sending those messages is I got messages back, which I wasn't expecting. That wasn't the condition. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they were so nice. I just wanted to say the words and let go. And then I just got these messages back and honestly it broke my heart with like love. It was just like, my God. And I just thought, oh, you know, when Chris Martin said, in the end, it's all about the love you're sending out. And then you think, oh, I've sent out some love.

30:55Michael Douglas: And then bang, you know, like it all comes piling back at you, but 10 times bigger. And I was like, fuck, you know. So I thought, I've got to do this as a recommendation for people to send messages to whoever they want. It doesn't have to be a man or a woman. It could be a cat or a dog. but you get the general idea there was just a sense of it's free such a nice idea and there's a bit of social conditioning going on as a result of it but the outcome was massive and our relationships with all those four people have gone up a level maybe even up two levels of love you know anyway I just thought I'd recommend that that's a brilliant, brilliant, brilliant recommendation thank you and it's called You're a Good Man text but of course it could be a good woman text I was only thinking about the context of me yeah great, context well, shall we read out some listener recommendations what I did last week is said to people, why don't you put comments on Spotify on the episode that we've talked about so we've got Maggie here, Koala Koala Ola now I know Maggie, she came to get her hair done a while ago.

32:09Michael Douglas: She was the one that sent me the message in the beads. Oh, great! Yeah, and she said, hooray, they're back. Some voices just belong in your week. And make this world feel softer. Thank you, Maggie. Well, you definitely do that. You do that as well. Yeah. Cara Louise? Cara Louise says, you're right about the unis, Michael. I did have a sweeping comment about universities last week, which was a bit of a generalisation, but thanks, Cara Louise, for mentioning that. I mean, universities do a lot of great work as well. There's a lot of great people that come out with them. So just want to caveat with that.

32:44Julie says, whoopee, you're both back. Love listening to you on Heart Radio. Oh, thanks, Julie. Miss you both so much. We love being back as well. We miss you too. We miss doing it.

32:55Michael Douglas: Yeah, we do, we do. And then Jules just says, my favourite podcast and I love Heart. So keep putting comments on the episodes in Spotify because that'll probably be quite good for the podcast as well. Yeah, it's great for us. And then we've probably got a couple of oh, eight hours got in touch. Oh, great! Yeah, yeah. Oh, I'm so pleased because literally they've changed my sleeping patterns completely and it's all none of it's with melatonin. Yeah, that's good, isn't it? It's all with things and it was all with supplements that I already took that I've stopped taking so much of. So they said thanks again for the recent shout out on the podcast.

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34:28Michael Douglas: That was just a joke. It's just a joke, like on Top Gear. yeah like the one the jokes that you like I know I know okay that'll do we're going to go and have some lunch and then and then it's Easter Monday today yes we're heading into London we are for a little get ready for this week mess up out yeah so nice to talk to you all we'll do we'll stick a podcast post out and we'll record again soon yes we will yeah great All right. Lots of love, everybody.

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