SERIES 17: Episode 3 - Hungry Heart, North and Soul, Project Hail Mary, Jojo Moyes, Harry Baker

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1:06We are recording.

1:09Michael Douglas: You want to turn yourself up a bit? That's better. Thank you. Thank you. Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to Making the Cut.

1:19Davina McCall: The trip advisor for your life.

1:21Michael Douglas: With me, Michael Douglas.

1:22Davina McCall: And me, Davina McCall. Oosh. Oosh, look at us.

1:25Michael Douglas: I know, right. You're getting quite good at that now. Yeah, pretty good, right? I've got a vest on.

1:31Davina McCall: Yes, I like you in a vest.

1:33Michael Douglas: I've got very Bruce Springsteen tonight.

1:35Davina McCall: Please, can we talk about, I think we've talked about it before, but creatine has changed our bodies. It's done a good job, hasn't it? It's done an amazing job with your body, because you were finding it hard to build muscle. I had to say. And you were doing the whole protein thing.

1:50Michael Douglas: Yep.

1:50Davina McCall: and that wasn't working.

1:52Michael Douglas: I have messed about with eating protein and all sorts, I've done some terrible things, I've put some terrible things in my body over the years.

1:59Davina McCall: But not recently. Not recently, no. Like 10 years ago, I was trying all sorts of crazy stuff and I really messed my system up with all sorts of gubbins. What I've decided to do was to try and learn about my body, how it really works. Listen to it, right? Do you mean that? like listen to it more get in touch with yes exactly I used to do Darcy Bustle's hair the very famous ballerina I thought you were going to tell me like dance classes oh with Darcy Bustle I used to do Darcy Bustle's dance class hair yeah I was a ballerina with me and Darcy but can I say something I could imagine you ballerinaing around yeah because you are sort of slim and strong hashtag slim and strong I like it but I remember her saying to me she knew her body she knew exactly what her body needed and I was like I'm totally convinced by you saying that and I felt jealous I had this like little jealousy inside me and I thought I would love to know my body properly you know I thought God when you're a ballerina you know every single tendon and ligament and all that kind of stuff imagine not being allowed to get injured the amount of time I spend slightly injured like I fell up the stairs the other day and I've twanged my elbow and now you know you cut like that ruins you if you're a sports person or a ballet dancer or dancer of any kind it'd be terrible that but i realized that the dancer really does understand their body so i i thought after that conversation i've spent a long time really getting to know my body and what i put in it and how it makes me feel and what the reactions are and all of that kind of stuff um but the creating thing's been really interesting it is a game changer we started to do it consistently.

3:46Consistently, yeah. And this is not an advert for creatine, by the way, folks.

3:48Davina McCall: But it's just helped us a lot. Yeah. But I've not changed what I do in the gym. No, me either. Same things. But the results... Are better. Way better. You look really good. Eh? Yeah. And I'm so happy for you because you're getting the results that you want and deserve. Yeah. Because you do go to the gym and you are dedicated. Yeah. You know, and you're listening to your body a lot more about what you should eat and everything. we only slightly fall off the wagon when we watch a movie at home or something or go to the cinema or I'm just terrible I just want to pick on things when I'm watching a movie but really we're good I just wanted to kind of talk about that because you're in a vest I can see the gains you're getting and well done you I've got all the curves in all the right places he's got the gains we're about to run into something here

4:42Michael Douglas: so just to let's go Let people know, I have five scoop in the morning. We both have a scoop in the morning with a coffee. About six grams. And then another one in the afternoon.

4:52Davina McCall: Yeah, about five grams. Yeah, so about 10 grams a day. 10 or 11 grams a day. A day is all that's required. And I am about 60 kilos, if anybody interested. But it's had a transformative effect. I guess it changes something about the way you process stuff in your body. And I might post a couple of Instagram clips. on stories on making the cut? Yeah, do that. That would be great. Or should I just put them on the page? Yeah, put them on the posts. Posts? Yeah, posts on stories. But there was like a 10-minute talk between two sports therapists talking about exactly how to take creatine. When they're talking about taking a lot of creatine, like 20 grams, that is just for bodybuilders.

5:38Davina McCall: Yeah, yeah. You do not want to be... You don't need to do that much. But you don't want to do it anyway. You don't need it because you're not a bodybuilder and your body won't know what to do with it. But, well, you might be Michael, but I'm not. But it also has benefits for the brain, the creatine, and it is the most researched supplement in the world and has been researched for decades, not just in the last kind of five years. I've only heard about it in the last sort of two, three years. Yeah. But it's been around for a very, very long time for bodybuilders. So anyway.

6:12Michael Douglas: Yeah, good. So on the subject of me looking a bit like Bruce Springsteen, I stumbled across a post today from an Instagram account called Hungry Heart.

6:24Davina McCall: Yes.

6:25Michael Douglas: Now, you'll know that this is a Bruce Springsteen song. Did you know what it's about? No. I think you've talked about it. It's about a guy having an affair. And he says that the opening line of the song is, got a wife and kid in Baltimore, Jack. Yes. I went out for a ride and I never came back. Yes. He basically abandons his family and goes on the rampage, you know, shagging about. It's such a funny song, you know. But I'd forgotten that Bruce Springsteen writes about other characters. He's never really been writing about himself. He's about a guy who's like... But I love the idea that everyone's got a hungry heart.

6:57Davina McCall: Yes.

6:57Michael Douglas: Like it's hungry for love. Yes. He's going around eating up the love. It really made me laugh. So if you're interested in listening to a song that's brilliant and funny...

7:05Davina McCall: And quite funny that you can hear the lyrics in a completely different way. Yeah, yeah.

7:10Michael Douglas: And he's disappointed in himself, this guy. of course, you know, he kind of hates himself, really, you know. But I just love the idea that everybody's got a hungry heart.

7:18Davina McCall: I've got to thank you for Bruce Springsteen.

7:19Michael Douglas: That's brilliant. You've gifted me.

7:22Davina McCall: I never listened to him before we got together, and I want to appreciate you for that. Yeah, it's just so good. Look, while we're on Instagram, I would like to talk to you about a brilliant woman that I have discovered called North and Soul. Oh, yeah, yeah, okay, great. And then and and then soul, S-U-L, S-O-U-L. Yeah. And it's like a play on Northern Soul, but it's got a D in it. I like it. And what is really nice, she is a Kundalini yoga teacher, but she's also into energy work and feminine alchemy. Now, I've got to be honest, I wasn't quite sure what Kundalini was. but do you remember, I'm really sorry I'm going to sound such a wanker but when we went to the Maldives and there was the Kundalini teacher and she made me cry and I really really cried and she was pregnant and I felt such an amazing connection to this woman and then she was pregnant and she said do you want to do a watsu massage with me it was a Kundalini watsu massage I was like I don't know But it was in the swimming pool at 7 o 'clock in the morning before the sun had properly risen, so it was cool.

8:46Davina McCall: And it's like being in the placenta. You're in water and you're floating around. And I ended up sort of curled around this woman's pregnant belly, clinging on to her, bawling my eyes out. She just did something to me, like an amazing release. Anyway, so I read up a bit about Kundalini. It's a form of primal dormant energy, believed to be coiled at the base of the spine, often called the serpent power or divine feminine energy. Which makes sense to me why it was all kind of womb-based. Do you know what I mean? I do, yeah. And she was carrying a baby and just the... It was unbelievable. Anyway, North and Seoul, she's got 554 ,000 followers.

9:37Davina McCall: She's huge. It's very interesting. She came into my algorithm this week. Did she? I've seen her this week. Did you? Yeah, so. And she is great. One of my favourite things at the moment are people who are supremely non-judgmental, who don't want you to say anything nasty about yourself, and they don't want to say anything nasty about other people. Yeah. And online, we need more of that. Mm-hmm. And she's just great. So it's like there's tips on how to detach from someone's energy. There's things like I wish every woman knew that her hands are her healing tools. One of the most healing habits that you can develop.

10:12Davina McCall: They're all tools and things that we can use in our daily life. She's absolutely gorgeous. So I just want to say thank you so much. She's called Polly Stand Even. and she's also got a website called northandsoul.tv and she's got a course called Living in Light. I can't say that I've done it, but it is worth going to look up because she's got a lovely energy about her and I bet she would be a nice person. This is part of the spiritual awakening, I think, and we were talking about in last season's making the cut. I think the final episode of last season, we talked about AI and what it might do for us with regards to releasing us from the current structure and giving us access to a more spiritual life.

11:07Michael Douglas: But this is part of it. I think more and more people are speaking and it's catching people's imagination.

11:13Davina McCall: And possibly these are the kind of people and people would have said about us, I don't be ridiculous, like a year ago. But suddenly we're all going, oh, actually, this is quite interesting. I think we've had enough of cruelty and meanness to each other. We're really bored of it now and we want to spread love and joy. And I think it was all kicked off by Coldplay. Just want to plant that there.

11:34Michael Douglas: They've been ahead of the game, those guys, for a long time, really.

11:37Davina McCall: And the other thing that's really nice about her website is that she's got a lot of, you know, her entire Instagram account is free, obviously, and it's just endless tools for you. And there's lots of stuff that's free. Yes, she is doing courses, but if you can't afford a course, there's lots of things for free on her website that you can go and access that will help.

11:57Michael Douglas: Brilliant. The thing I was going to talk about was there's an account called Hungry Heart UK.

12:04Davina McCall: Oh.

12:04Michael Douglas: And they do a club night.

12:06Davina McCall: Sorry, did I cut you off? No, you didn't.

12:08Michael Douglas: It doesn't matter. We're all in one big harmonious love fest. Love fest. But it's a club night.

12:15Davina McCall: Yes.

12:15Michael Douglas: Just for Bruce Springsteen. No.

12:18Davina McCall: No. Michael

12:20Michael Douglas: what the fuck this is in Box Park, Wembley and they just do a great big Bruce Springsteen rave for six hours

12:30Davina McCall: oh my god

12:31Michael Douglas: and then they have a DJ banging out all the Bruce stuff

12:34Davina McCall: oh my god

12:37Michael Douglas: everybody dances around basically to all the Bruce Springsteen things it's been going for a few years has it? they have massive sell out things so anyway you've got to go

12:49Davina McCall: in your Bruce Springsteen suit right

12:51Michael Douglas: so there's one coming up so I was just going to this is what I was going to recommend to people if you fancy it

12:55Davina McCall: yeah

12:56Michael Douglas: so Hungry Heart No Kings the Star of Kings or something and it says the dates are Friday the 8th of May and it's from 8pm till 1am and it is just a massive Bruce Fest so you have to go to hungry slash heart dot design my night dot com and then you can buy tickets for that but we've said this before I love that. I love the idea of hiring a venue in London or owning one. Yes. You put on a club night, but you do like, every Sunday night is Coldplay night.

13:27Davina McCall: Yes.

13:27Michael Douglas: And it's just a massive Coldplay themed night. And then, you know, you could do the killers on a Friday night or something.

13:33Davina McCall: Yeah.

13:34Michael Douglas: But people could get dressed up and all that kind of stuff. And you just go all in on like the absolute bangers. And the DJs do mega mixes on these songs and everything that you love. Yes. You basically just enjoy yourself with loads of other people who love that kind of thing.

13:49Davina McCall: Well, at least you know what you're getting.

13:51Michael Douglas: Exactly. So anyway, the Instagram account is called Hungry Heart UK, and they are hosting these events. But I just thought, it's a brilliant one for Bruce fans, but you could do loads of other ones. I've got a good one for an Arctic Monkeys one.

14:07Davina McCall: Oh, yeah? It was called Arctic Mondays. You do it on a Monday night. Oh, my God, that's so good. That's good, isn't it? That's so good. Anyway, that's got us off to good start. Yeah, good, good. Okay, so I want to quickly talk about a couple of books. One is Jojo Moyes, who I interviewed recently. She is an absolutely brilliant writer. She was incredibly interesting on Begin Again, so please, when she comes out, please listen to it. She's incredible. but this one is called We All Live Here and it's about Lila she's got her hands full she's got two unruly daughters she's the author of a unexpectedly successful self-help book and is the owner of a sort of flashy sports car it was an impulsive buy but she's got a stepdad who quietly moved in after her mum died a deadline looming on a book that won't write itself and school gate daggers with her ex's pregnant girlfriend.

15:12Davina McCall: It's like, you know, I'm in. Yeah. I'm in already. So it's called We All Live Here, Jojo Moyes. Another one that I really want to talk to you about is Kevin Rowland. Do you know much about Kevin Rowland? Yes. I think we've talked about this before. Oh, have we? I think so. Okay. But Andy read the Kevin Rowland book. Bless me, father. It is like he has lived. I couldn't believe he was 72. He looks so good. It's all in the mind. You know, Sonny's best friend from film school was his grandson. Oh. And Sonny's been out for dinner with Kevin Rowan three times. Oh, has he? I know him quite well. Yeah, it's so funny.

15:52Proper artist. I mean, I said I know him quite well. Yeah, yeah. You did?

15:55Davina McCall: I did. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But, you know, I just quickly want to say a rest in peace to someone. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, I've got one of these as well. There was a boy who was randomly stabbed. Oh, fuck. in North London. I read about this. Jesus, Mary. And he was the son of someone I used to work with at the web club called Chris Sullivan. And it was his son. And what made me think of it is that Kevin is also a good friend of Chris Sullivan's. And just want to say that we are all so unbelievably sad for you and your wife about the loss of your son, Finbar. Yeah. And he sounded like an absolutely lovely boy and what a waste of a life.

16:43Davina McCall: And we're thinking of you and we hope you're okay.

16:45Michael Douglas: It had a profound effect on us this weekend, didn't it? We were so saddened by it. It's just outrageous.

16:52Davina McCall: We just need more love in the world. Yeah, we do, we do. And another rest in peace was from my old boss, my lovely friend, David Thomas, who scooped me up when I was a very low ebb. and David Thomas had a string of hair salons in Leyland and Preston and Chorley and when I was about 19 he offered me a job and I went to work for him and he kind of changed my life really and he was a big father figure to me Yeah, I mean didn't he even sort of say Yeah, yeah he did I'd like to Yeah, yeah, I could fulfil a fatherly role for you in your life It's a beautiful thing to say to someone I was in hospital in a very bad way I actually thought I was never going to get out of hospital after your lungs had collapsed yeah, all my lungs had collapsed and all sorts of stuff and had some operations but he came to visit me in hospital and he said look, when you get out I want you to come and work for me I'm going to help you I'd accrued loads of debt and everything because I'd been off nearly two years it wasn't such a bad way and he helped me and got me back on my feet and then I got offered a job in London about four months after and I was like, I was terrified to tell David because he'd been so helpful but he found out anyway and then he took me and he bought me a great big leather holdall to move to London.

18:08He said, look, I know you're going. And I was like, ugh. Anyway, he was a brilliant, brilliant man. But can I also say,

18:16Davina McCall: like, he knew you were going and he must have been quite upset about that, because he really, obviously, really loved you. But he never got angry. No. And he only said, sent you with love. Only joy. Yeah. He sent you off with love. And what a special man. I know, and I was great. I messaged his wife and said how lovely. I wasn't, how sad I was and she said she said he was so proud of you Michael.

18:44Michael Douglas: You know. And I was like, oh wow. I really loved him, you know. He was a brilliant guy. He sounded

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20:37Michael Douglas: We went to the cinema. We've been to the cinema twice since we last spoke to you.

20:41Davina McCall: I mean, who are we? First to see Project Hail Mary. Can I just say it was so good. That's a great film, isn't it? Oh, my God. I love Ryan Gosling. He's kind of on his own with an alien. Yeah, it's quite a simple little film anyway. It's a simple film. It's long. Yeah, yeah. And I wasn't itchy feet. I wasn't aware of it at all. I wasn't aware of it. You normally get very antsy-pantsy. Over two hours, I'm like, fuck, this better be good. Yeah, you can't handle it. And it really kept us entertained the whole time. I thought it was brilliant, hopeful, positive, lots of really good messaging.

21:16Michael Douglas: It's very interesting because I spent a long time thinking, what is this film about exactly? What am I supposed to be learning from this film? Is it about division? Is it about the technology? Is it about caring for the planet? What is the hidden messages in the film? Anyway, I just really enjoyed it and I remember leaving the film thinking wow, I just enjoyed the movie really. I don't really know what it was about. Anyway, a little post came up on X as I was going through it. and Elon Musk had reposted something from the author.

21:54Davina McCall: And is he the director?

21:56Michael Douglas: No, it was a guy called Andy Weir who writes the novels, and it's the novel that it was based on. But he posted something, and it just said, my books are written to entertain people. There is no hidden message. I'm not trying to subliminally educate you about racism or politics or slavery or anything like that. They are purely entertainment books.

22:17Davina McCall: I mean, so good.

22:18Michael Douglas: And he says, if you see something in there, you have put it there.

22:23Davina McCall: Yes.

22:24Michael Douglas: I have not. You know, and it really made me laugh.

22:27Davina McCall: It must have been because people were probably trying to put messages in there. And he's like, no, it's just entertainment.

22:34Michael Douglas: It was such a relief because I was like, oh, I can let go of the film. I just love it for what it was, which was a bloody banger of a film. It was. 8.4 on IMDb, ladies and gentlemen. Anything over seven and a half is worth a look. Yeah. it's two hours 36 but as Davina said it just came and went it was brilliant there's loads of humour in it loads of fun in it it's science fictiony there's loads of quantum physics in there there's loads of stuff in there it was absolutely brilliant so if you're looking for something to do with your partner or friend or anything like that get yourself to the pictures go and watch Project Hail Mary you will not be disappointed

23:11Davina McCall: and then we've got to mention the second one we were bumbling around with nothing to do and we're like, okay, let's just go up the movies and watch anything.

23:19Michael Douglas: And there was this film on called Fuse that you'd found. Yeah. And I was like, okay, I'll have a quick look. One hour 38, pretty good. 6.4, ooh, I'm like, okay. You know, for me, I've got to be around about the seven mark. But anyway, we won't see it any bit. Aaron Taylor-Johnson and Theo James were in it. Theo James was in The Gentleman. He was the kind of very good-looking guy from The Gentleman. I'm staying silent. Yeah. Do you not think he's that handsome?

23:44Davina McCall: No, I think he's really handsome. What? Fuck. He is actually tall, dark and handsome. I am short, blonde and peculiar. No, you are the hottest man in the universe. He's nowhere near you.

23:56Michael Douglas: Anyway, it was a really good romp of a film. A British kind of action drama with some humour in it. Set in London as an old World War II bomb that's been discovered on a building site. And while that's being diffused, there's a bank robbery going on. And there's a little bit of a whodunit, what is going on type scenario. I thought it was great and just as I thought the film had finished there was another bit on at the end

24:20Davina McCall: that was so good wasn't it and I was like

24:22Michael Douglas: this is a great film you know I absolutely

24:25Davina McCall: it deserves more than 6.5 I feel like we should it's easier 7 I think we should vote yeah

24:31Michael Douglas: we should put it in a tent let's vote yeah yeah yeah okay we can do that but it's called Fuse it's one of the cinemas at the moment so if you're looking for just like an easy oz hour and a half popcorn and something you don't have to worry about I really enjoyed it. It was a really well-crafted movie.

24:47Davina McCall: What age is it? It's 15. So that's quite good. You can take your kids and everything.

24:54Michael Douglas: So yeah, those are the films. And then there was another film we watched with Keanu Reeves. Let's save that for next week. I'd like to have a little think about that.

25:01Davina McCall: I really, really liked it. There was a lot in it. I loved it so much. And it only scored like four on IMDb. I was absolutely horrified by that. It was a very specific film. But we'll talk about that next week because I think it was a good one. What else have you got? Oh, yeah. Oh, we're still going. I think we're still going. How long have we done?

25:19Michael Douglas: 24 minutes we've done. I've got a couple more things.

25:22Davina McCall: Well, I've got, and so have I.

25:23Michael Douglas: Okay, go for it. I'll tell you what. I've just got off the phone to me mate Pip.

25:28Davina McCall: Yes. He's getting married. Yes. I'm the best man. Yes. I booked the dinner today for him in Soho. Did you? He's getting married down here and then we're having a private dining thing that I booked today for him. Oh, that's so nice. I'm going to have to write a little speech for him, you know. Yeah. If it's my oldest and best friend, probably, I met him when I was about 16, and he's been by my side ever since. He's been like a father figure as well, hasn't he? Like a bit of a mentor. Yeah, brilliant, brilliant guy. And the kindest. Yeah, he's very kind, isn't he? You know, he's... Anyway.

25:58Michael Douglas: But anyway, I said I'd give him a shout-out today, because we're recording this, but he owns a company called Windermere Wakesurfing. Oh. Now, we've talked about Windermere Wakesurfing before. Yes, before, yeah. But I have to tell you, if you are living in the north somewhere, and you're looking for something to do on a weekend, if you've got a day off, go to Windermere wake surfing and book a wake circling course. Pip is the best teacher I've ever come across to do anything like this.

26:17Davina McCall: Everybody can wake surf. Everybody can wake surfing. What I didn't know, which I don't know if everybody does this, but he has a little earpiece in your ear and he tells you, put a bit more weight on this leg, put a bit more weight, do this, do that. So you are being told what to do the whole time. You'll wear a helmet and in the helmet there's headphones and he is talking to you from microphone from the boat while you are surfing the wake of the boat at the back.

26:43Michael Douglas: And it's in Windermere. So it is beautiful. You're surrounded by absolute beauty. It's incredible. Even on a rainy day, it's fucking wet anyway, so don't worry about that. But it's a brilliant thing. He says he's not very busy at the moment. And I was like, oh, let's just tell some people about it then. So you can go and get...

27:01Davina McCall: Is he not busy at the moment? No.

27:03Michael Douglas: Well, it's early season. I suppose so. So people are a bit nesh about getting in the water. But I would really love to take you this summer.

27:10Davina McCall: Do you know, we've talked about this before, but it is like unfinished business. It is. We've got to get you in the water. I've got to get in the water. But I've got to get you wake surfing because we've surfed together before in the sea. And you can surf, you can get up and surf. So you will be surfing on the back of the boat within 10 minutes. And you'll look after me.

27:28Michael Douglas: Yeah, of course. I'll take lots of pictures. Okay. But Windermere Wake Surfing, if you're up there, go and get on there. It is a very courageous, brilliant, brave thing to do. You will feel fantastic. Yes. Whoever you are, that you have done something courageous.

27:44Davina McCall: Yes, and I think it's basically a fun day out for all the family. Because you've taken your boys and neither of them had weight surfed before. And they were up and they were really, really good at it. And your partner or friends or whatever can sit in the boat and watch you do it. And you can take turns and all that stuff. And if you don't want to wake surf, you get to spend the day on the boat with Pip. Yeah, yeah. Like, how brilliant is that? The greatest lakes in the country. You know, it's brilliant. And really, really good fun. Yeah. I do want to talk about somebody, and I've been looking back at old episodes, and I don't think we have talked about it.

28:18Davina McCall: And that is, you know, Harry Baker, who is the poet? Yes, of course. And he did the most amazing poem about trying for a baby. And it was about 10 minutes long. I might post it on the Making the Cut page because he's brought out a book and he's doing some live shows at the moment. So go and look up Harry Baker. You can look him up on... I think he's Harry Baker Poet on Instagram. But you can go and look him up and on his page he will have his dates. But he's also got a beautiful book out called Tender. and he's got 384 ,000 followers now, which is absolutely incredible. And he's got 2026 tour dates on his Instagram page and he's going to Manchester, Sheffield, Skipton, like all over the place, booked now to not be disappointed.

29:19Davina McCall: He makes me cry with every poem he does, but he also really makes me laugh. So it's quite a thing that, to make somebody giggle and cry all in the same breath. And I've got to say, it's quite interesting. This is the new energy, I think, how into poetry we're all getting. Because obviously Donna Ashworth blew my mind. Harry Baker, his poetry, his 10-minute poem, which is like an investment. Got over a million views on my Instagram page. It spoke to people in such a profound way. This is another way of communicating that's really talking to people. You know, it's so good. Yeah, reminded me of something.

30:06Well, yeah, I've been asked to write a book.

30:08Davina McCall: Yes, now, let's quickly discuss this with our listeners. I'm so terrified. No, this absolutely makes sense, Michael. And I think you know that. I will, don't you? I think you know. Yes, but I think that you know, sorry, I'm stroking your arm now. I think that you know that you've got something to say. And I think that you have spent, I've watched you spend the last few years thinking about what you have to say. Not like with a book in mind or anything, but just coming up with ideas. I've never known anybody think as critically as you do. You'll come up with an idea and you will unpick something or you question everything and try and find your reason behind either loving it or not loving it or why don't I like it or what should I be doing more, what should I be doing more.

31:03Davina McCall: You are, I mean, it would be, if the numbskulls were in your brain, they'd be very tired. Yeah, they're exhausting. Like it's exhausting in your brain. And I feel like partially it's my job as your partner to help you switch off sometimes because I know you find it hard. But you have a lot to say. I think the problem's going to be for you with this book is like there are so many things that you could write a book about. So what do you tell everybody what you're thinking? That's the worry, really. What are your ideas? Well, the first one is a book called Idea. Yeah, it's quite interesting, you know, because one of the things I think I've discovered, and what would be interesting about writing a book is then putting the words out there and seeing what people say about it and say, well, I disagree with this, or I think you've got this wrong, or yes, I totally agree with this, or whatever, you know, you find out a little bit about whether you're on the right track or not.

32:03Well, you're on your right track. Yes, yes, potentially.

32:06Michael Douglas: And I guess the...

32:07Davina McCall: I think that's the thing, isn't it? Yeah.

32:09Michael Douglas: So what I'm against, largely, is telling people what to do. Absolutely. You shouldn't be doing this, you shouldn't be doing that. Yeah, bollocks. That's not what I'm doing. You're so right. So the idea would be something around that your life is the idea that you had for your life. That's what it is in a way.

32:30Davina McCall: Well, sometimes it's not. Well, no, but it could be. So if you've found yourself in a life that doesn't feel like yours.

32:39Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah, yeah. then it requires an idea from you in order to create one that's more attuned to you.

32:50Davina McCall: So to change tracks. Yeah. Yeah. And it starts with, you have an idea for who you could be. Where do you want to get to? Yeah. And then how do you get there? You've helped me with that. And then that is your life in a way. Your life is the journey that you've deemed valuable. and say, well, I would like to be here by then. There's your life. You've done that all your life. Yes, I think I have really. And it's actually just a meditation on goal setting. You know, you set a goal and then you work out how to get there and that's your life. But my life was transformed through an idea I had for a business.

33:30And through that, my life exploded, you know. So what I'd like to do perhaps with a book is potentially encourage people to have an idea of what their life could be like.

33:41Davina McCall: It's like asking them a set of questions so they can come up with their own ideas. So it's theirs, you know. You know what I really like about that is that you're not telling people because I think the minute somebody tells me to do something, I want to go and do the opposite and take photos. Yeah, tell me what to do. Yeah, and you're quite like that as well. We're both sort of, you know, no, I want to come up with my own ideas. Yeah, yeah. But what's quite interesting is Narcotics Anonymous. Nobody tells you what to do. You tell your story. And by telling your story, other people learn things.

34:20Davina McCall: Yes. And I think that's so interesting. I guess I would have to put a bunch of anecdotes in it of my own experiences to say, well, this is what worked for me. You could go and find out what works for you. But here's a starting point. which is the idea the other one was was called the knowing and it was a sense of that everybody's got a sense of knowing yeah and how to tap into the knowing so that idea that you you know you you have a gut feel as long as you've got a good gut yes i think this is a really interesting concept i think we've talked about this on here before but i think you definitely need to have a chapter on how to get your gut healthy yeah and i'm not talking about the microbiome fiber yeah i'm talking about intuition you can trust in instinct yeah and intuition that you can trust not that's sort of challenged or compromised you've worked very hard on that on you because i do think if things go the way i'd like them to go you know over the next five to seven years let's say i have got a book at the end which is a kind of memoir thing um so this would be a precursor really to that as opposed to it would teach me how to write a book because I don't really know how to write one at the moment and so this would be a big lesson start yeah exactly yeah yeah um which is a little play on the idea the idea for a book you know anyway I'll keep you posted about that ladies and gents but please do and um we're all very excited for you and we're very excited to read it I'm just speaking as one of your fans okay and I would be just interested generally if anybody would be interested in a book that I wrote so let me know in messages we will all say yes but you need a bit of encouragement I think I do need a bit of encouragement please can you let Michael know if you think that this is a good idea idea see what I did there

36:19Michael Douglas: very good let's do a couple of shout outs and things like that I love you thank you I love you too thank you this is from Connective Healing this is a girl called Claire Jackson see

36:34Davina McCall: Connective Healing see and she says hi Davina Michael love the recent podcast

36:39Michael Douglas: I'd like to recommend a couple of places in Manchester as I've been spending a bit of time down there recently the first one is called Butterbird and it's on Blossom Street in Ancotes yeah right

36:50Davina McCall: Blossom Street's where Holly lives

36:52Michael Douglas: does she actually live in Blossom Street oh my god how funny It's got a cool vibe with outside seating for those warmer, sunny days. Specialises in rotisserie chicken. I think I know it. Yeah, I think you might. Yeah, yeah.

37:03Davina McCall: That's so funny. I was there last night.

37:05Michael Douglas: Which you can add sauces, butters and a whole range of side dishes. We went over Easter and absolutely love it. That is great.

37:12Davina McCall: Butterbird.

37:13Michael Douglas: Butterbird, yeah. Yeah, yes. That's what I call you.

37:15Davina McCall: It's so great, yes. Yeah.

37:17Michael Douglas: The second place is on Beach Road in Cholton and it's called Bisous. Bisous, is that right?

37:22Davina McCall: Bisous, bisous. Bisous, bisous. Kiss, kiss. Ah, okay. It's a cafe specialising in French pastries, as well as delicious savoury dishes.

37:30Michael Douglas: I'm not a huge desserts fan. Sugar makes me feel blah since going through the menopause. However, I did decide to try this place and they were the lightest, fullest flavours. Gorgeous pastries. The savoury dish was tasty as well.

37:41Davina McCall: Those are great recommendations. Thank you so much. That's brilliant.

37:46Michael Douglas: And then finally, I'd love to recommend an old film called The Life of Chuck with Tom Hiddleston. I love him as an actor and I stumbled across this film a couple of weeks ago and it blew my heart open.

37:55Davina McCall: I think he made that while he was with Taylor Swift. And I think that it sort of just disappeared in all the furore. And I'm pleased that it deserves more. Yeah, OK. What's it called? The Life of Chuck.

38:17Michael Douglas: The Life of Chuck. Yeah, I'm going to... Deep thought-provoking themes about life, death and human connection.

38:23Davina McCall: Great.

38:23Michael Douglas: Films a unique reversal chronological structure and explores the existential questions. Oh, great. That sounds great. I'm so pleased with myself I got those words out without falling over them. And then, Claire, you've done another one here. So I don't know if I can keep going with this. But it's a do-health programme by Dr Rangan Chatterjee. Do you know who you are? Oh!

38:43Davina McCall: How weird is that? Yeah. Okay, so I literally did the blood test for it this morning.

38:49Michael Douglas: She's just said, I've just done the blood test for it. Taken last week, highly efficient, only booked the appointment the day before.

38:55Davina McCall: That is so funny because, can I be completely transparent? They're sponsoring the podcast.

39:02Michael Douglas: Oh, are they?

39:04Davina McCall: Begin again?

39:04Michael Douglas: Yeah. Less successful podcast than this? Yes. Yeah, great. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

39:10Davina McCall: And so they said, look, because I'm like, I don't want to advertise something unless I know what it is or what it does. Or I can kind of say, oh, I had an interest. So I said, I want to do it. So they came this morning at eight o 'clock. They took your blood? Yeah.

39:26Michael Douglas: Oh, my God.

39:27Davina McCall: Not this morning. Yesterday. Yesterday.

39:29Michael Douglas: OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But anyway, Claire really recommends that. It's£249 for 12 months. And I guess they do a lot of tracking on you. Make sure you're doing good. Thanks for that, Claire. Claire's an old friend of mine.

39:40Davina McCall: Claire, that was... Oh, is she? Yeah, she's an old friend of mine. She's an old girlfriend of mine. I mean, along with the whole of the rest of Leyland. She's from London. Oh. She was a Londoner. Can you hear? This is me typing immediately Claire's details into Instagram.

39:57Michael Douglas: Jackie, do you want to read this one? Otherwise, I'm going to read them all.

40:00Davina McCall: You read it.

40:01Michael Douglas: Oh, OK. Hi, you two lovely people. And all the Making the Cup fans, a recommendation for Nextflix viewing Knives Out 3.

40:08Davina McCall: Mm-hm.

40:08Michael Douglas: different episodes with Daniel Craig, lots more well-known faces, loved it so much. Knives Out 3 was brilliant. It was so good.

40:14Davina McCall: We absolutely loved it, didn't we?

40:17Michael Douglas: And the first one's good as well. Second one, I think, is a bit hit and miss, but great. Thanks, Jackie, very much. Well, one last thing is, I said I would read out comments from Spotify that people posted there. Yeah. So we've got a couple of comments from Spotify here. This is Julie. And it says, a wonderful podcast, as always. due to my situation I really haven't got many recommendations as such however I can shout out everyone and recommend your podcast as amazing I wait religiously for it every Friday it's really the one I listen to and download Spotify for which I had no idea what Spotify was and I've been listening for a year now to both of you and love listening to the conversations and the general chat recommendations I find you both easy to listen to

41:04Davina McCall: and then somebody else has said

41:07Michael Douglas: here, that's a name it's just impossible, and it says I love the two of you, you are so inspiring funny and they're from Ireland

41:15Davina McCall: aww, that's so nice

41:16Michael Douglas: I was about to do like an Irish accent there well done, rain it in okay folks thank you so much I'll speak to you next week

41:26Davina McCall: bye

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