SERIES 17: Episode 5 - HBOT, Van Morrison, Primavera, Coco Jagger, DJ Skillspinz, Steve Cradock

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0:42Michael Douglas: We are recording. Hello, you. Hello, you. You all right? I was just laughing at a message I just got from my son's girlfriend. Oh, yeah. What does it say? And she just said, just got a traitor's question right at the pub quiz. And I was like, yay, well done. And Chester sent me a message on her phone and said, yeah, can't wait to see you on it next year. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Because everybody's been chosen for like this year's. I mean, can't wait to see you on the next season. And they keep trying to catch me out. Like I'm on the next season. I'm lying to all of them. Oh, OK. But I'm not on the next season.

1:20And they're going, well, of course, you would say that if you were going on. You would deny it. And now everybody that's listening to this is going to think I'm denying it. But I'm not. I'm not on it.

1:30Michael Douglas: It might be a fundamental problem with having you and Claudia Winkleman on TV at the same time. It might be tricky for both of you. It might be tricky for you. It could be. Brunette with a fringe. That's the wrong one. yeah I know it would be quite interesting though because a lot of people do say to you I love traitors I like so many have I told my most embarrassing moment ever you could tell it again I don't think it would matter that I was outside a hotel that we both know and love and we know the doorman and I was talking to him and a couple of other people came along and they kind of knew who I was and two young girls I would when I say young I mean kind of 15 14 15 walked past and one of them was like freaking out going oh my god it's you oh my god it's you oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god and sort of started hitting her friend going take take our picture take our picture and

2:35Davina McCall: while she was standing next to me I looked at the two people that were with the doorman and they were all going oh look someone's recognized her and I was like you know I mean yeah it happens sometimes you know um and this girl's taking a picture of me and then her friend leans over and she goes she doesn't know who you is who you is she doesn't know who you are and I I was like no I mean lots of people don't know who I am you know that's fine you know that's fine um and she went but I do and I was like yes and then I kept smiling for the picture and everything and she whispered to me my mum loves traitors and everybody laughed the doorman the two people there and I looked at her and I was like you don't know who I am I'm not Claudia Winkleman and she was like oh and then it was just really then I just felt a bit guilty for not being Claudia Winkleman

3:28Michael Douglas: but it served me right it gave me a really brilliant dose of humble pie and you know three days later I got called Carol so I'm just going with it Carol Smiley no sorry whenever somebody calls me Carol I say you know I wish have you seen my tatars they're not up to Carol's standards it's funny isn't it how Claudia and you have been merged because you don't look like each other really I think brunettes just don't get recognised in the same way as blondes are when I had blonde hair everybody looked at me when I walked down the street and when I went back to Brunette again no one looked it was amazing that's quite interesting is there two blonde celebrities that you could get mixed up Fern and Tess Fern and Tess you could get mixed up could you?

4:27I don't think that ever, ever, ever happens you and Claudia are much more public than Fern and Tess I don't know Tess I don't think strictly She didn't do it out of house, really. Fern's massive. Like, Fern's been in everybody's lives since they were born.

4:42Michael Douglas: But she's not on TV like you are, or Claudia is, I don't suppose. Although she is just about to go on. Yes. Portrait Artist of the Year as one of the hosts. I don't know if I'm supposed to announce that. So it's already announced. I've done it. I did it. I mean, nobody told me not to. But if you're a fan of Portrait Artist of the Year and Firm Cotton, Merry Christmas. It's already done. Yeah, it is, did it? I've done it. This will be out on Friday whether they bloody like it or not. You heard about the Arlene Phillips thing, though, didn't you? Yes. You know, on Strictly. Yes. And they were thinking about using somebody else, and the press broke the story that she'd been fired.

5:22But she'd never been fired at that point. Because the story had broke, they just thought, oh, well, yeah, let's do it then. Oh, I didn't know that. That's what I heard, yeah. What, that they hadn't fired her? So I believe that she didn't know and nobody had made a decision, but the press had got hold of the story from somewhere and decided to publish it. And that kind of forced the hand of the BBC to go, oh, well, yeah, OK, well, let's do it then. Oh, wow. That's the power of the press. Oh, that's so brutal. In the American elections, some media company will predict the result and then a lot of people fall into line on the result of that.

6:06And that's why they do this second vote. They do this funny count to see if that is the actual outcome or not. But sometimes it's kind of not been. And that's why all this election fraud stuff goes on. Because once it gets cold and the momentum goes, it's like boom. I mean, that is confirmation bias, isn't it? It's a version of something like that. Yeah, something like that, right? It's very interesting. How are you? Are you okay?

6:33Davina McCall: Well, I'd like to start off by telling you how I am and then rolling in seamlessly into my first recommendation because I feel very, very good.

6:42Michael Douglas: Good. And I feel... It's a very short dress you've got on. Zara. Almost C. My pants. Yes. Delighted about that. My legs, you know, very demurely. Demimurely. Demi Muley. Anyway, I feel really good. And my brain feels like it's gone kind of two notches forward in terms of recovery. And what I mean by that is I mean the kind of speed at which I am working or thinking at the moment feels old school, like four years ago.

7:23Davina McCall: and I'm really enjoying it. And I think that it is down to this hyperbaric chamber. No, you're doing hyperbaric chamber. I have been doing, so I've done it twice. How big is the chamber? It's big. It is called H-Bot, which I think is quite a funny name for it. But it is basically big enough for you to lie down in. I don't know if you can see these.

7:50Michael Douglas: I can.

7:50Davina McCall: but this is kind of the length of an adult, but you lie down in it. You can rent these ones where you're sitting up in it, but you're sitting up for sort of an hour and a half and you can't stand. So sometimes actually it's more comfortable to lie down.

8:06Michael Douglas: Like a big coffin. And every time I lie down in one, the two times, every time it sounds like I've done it so many times, but the two times I've done it, I have laid down and gone to sleep. Okay. So it's actually quite nice and restful.

8:19Davina McCall: I did it for 90 minutes and basically what it does is it involves breathing pure oxygen in a pressurized chamber and it raises oxygen levels and it promotes healing and it fights infection it can reduce swelling so it's great for injuries so you know I've done my Achilles it was you know I went for that basically but what I didn't realize and can stimulate stem cell growth it's often used for chronic wounds that are finding it hard to heal radiation injury quite interesting um decompression sickness so we've all seen people come up too quickly from a deep dive and then go into one of these hyperbaric chambers that's how they cure it um and severe infections but this is what i read today and i thought oh my god i wonder if this is why i'm feeling so good i'd gone for my achilles but it also says while also showing benefits for neural neurological recovery and athletic performance enhancements so neurological recovery yeah is what i've i've been in you wonder why that wasn't recommended to you by yes i mean i interestingly i did say to kevin you know can i do it and he said oh yeah yeah it would be great but i didn't realize that it really would be great like it could be very good for it and um it can do loads of different things and treat lots of different kind of injuries concussion recovery and traumatic brain injury right um which i guess like a big brain surgery is that but you breathe 100 oxygen and it's at air pressure two to three times higher than normal and you don't need to breathe differently you just sit in it and breathe completely normally you can't feel anything when they are compressing it what you do get is the kind of feeling that you get when you are landing a plane yeah um not when you're taking off it's the other way so when you're coming up from the bottom of the water but the prices are sort of between 50 and 120 pounds for a session and it is well worth it if you have any kind of chronic injury any kind of swelling or edema i mean look it up for yourself check with your doctor check with the experts that are dealing with your does it say how much

10:37Michael Douglas: oxygen you're breathing in?

10:39Davina McCall: I think it said two to three times higher than normal.

10:41Michael Douglas: Yeah, wow. I don't know if you know this or not, but I just googled this and it says inhaled air contains 21 % oxygen. You don't seem very surprised by that. No. I'm blown away by that. No, yeah. Only 21 % of what I'm breathing in is oxygen. Do you know what the rest is? Nitrogen? Yeah, well done. Look at you, it's like being at school. When my lungs used to collapse and I'd go into hospital and monitor my oxygen levels, you know, because you're only breathing in half of that, you know. And then they'd put me on a pure oxygen. I had to make sure there was enough of it going into my body. I was just slightly amazed.

11:21Michael Douglas: I'm like, I thought this was pure oxygen. It turns out that like 80 % of it's not. I think also they say that cancer can't survive. Cancer hates oxygen. God, really? Yeah. I'm going to look that up quickly I love the idea that it hates it It's like I fucking hate this stuff

11:43Davina McCall: Cancer Hang on one second before we go any further I just want to see what it says HBOT helps reverse tumor hypoxia It's a major driver of treatment resistance and cancer spread Clinical benefits for cancer patients So well oxygenated tumors are up to three times more sensitive to radiation than hypoxic ones. So if you've got cancer, keeping your tumours well-oxidated means that they will die, you know, suffer more with your treatment. Oh, OK. If you know what I mean. Yeah, so they're good or bad? It's more sensitive to radiation, radiotherapy. So that's good. Give them loads of oxygen. Oh, OK.

12:29Davina McCall: It also improves chemotherapy response. Oh, right. So it's a good thing. And it boosts immunotherapy and it heals radiation-induced injuries. So it's an amazing form of treatment that you can't feel at all. It doesn't hurt you or punish you, no, in any way. I might give it to go, actually. Just dos, see what it's like. You really probably won't feel anything if you're not well.

12:54Michael Douglas: But I might be not well and just not know it. Well, I hope not. But you know, like, sometimes you've got symptoms, but you're so used to them. Yes, well, that was me with this brain tumour. Yeah. I didn't realise. Maybe I've got symptoms. I don't even know what they are. Attractiveness disease.

13:13Davina McCall: You've certainly got that. You've definitely, definitely got that.

13:16Michael Douglas: I don't want that fixing. I'm going to keep that. Yeah. That's debatable, by the way, folks, if I've got that or not. God, I thought you just said masturbatable. Look at you. There's something going on in your mind that needs more hyperbaric treatment. Okay, so I finally went to my good friend's funeral this week. Oh, yes. I spoke about him last week. It was my good friend David Thomas, who employed me back in the day and was a brilliant friend to me, great support, get me back on my feet when I get him off hospital. I was very sad that he'd passed away. I went to his funeral this week, so I travelled up to the Lake District on Monday to see my mate Pip, because he wanted to go as well.

13:56So I thought, let's go up there. I had a lovely day out on the boat on Lake Windermere on Monday. it'll be in this week's Instagram reel.

14:03Michael Douglas: Yeah. We had a couple of tinnies on the lake. Yeah. I'm not big into a couple of tinnies, but it's about being up north and on the lake. And on the water, yeah. And with Pip. Yeah. And then the following day, Pip had to take me, we were driving to Bursko, which is in Lancashire, right by Warrington. And Pip says, look, the Porsche garage, and he'd take me Porsche to, is there. Can you drive one car and I'll drive the other, that then we can drop the Porsche off when we go to David's funeral. I was like, yeah, but I am driving the Porsche. And he's like, yeah, absolutely no problem. So he's got, if any Porsche nerds out there, I'm not one of them, by the way, but I did think, oh, fucking about you.

14:41I'm going to drive a car for two hours down into Lancashire. Give me the swankiest car.

14:47Michael Douglas: Anyway, pulled it out, and it says Porsche Spyder RS, which is about£170 ,000. Oh, my God. Yeah, and you know what Pip's like? He's had it all modified and personalised and all that stuff. looks like a total wanker's car. And I thought, yeah, go on, get me in that and drive that round. Anyway, it turns out there's no roof. A spider I think means that it's a rooftop. I don't know why they call it a spider if it's not got a roof. But maybe because spiders don't build houses with roofs, maybe. Maybe there's a link between that. What, you mean it's a soft roof? There's no roof. At all? I mean, there is one.

15:20It's in the garage. Oh, OK. It's like a hard top you can put on it and take it off. That's what I mean, it's like a removable roof. But he didn't tell me that, he just said there is no roof and I was like right okay so I put a hat on and some gloves and a coat and everything and they went out whizzing down the motorway and you should post that on making the cut yes okay I'll post I'll post it in this week's um this week thing and then um Pip was like uh we had our phones on so her phone was on in his car and my car so we were like I'd been walkie talkies for the journey so we could speak to each other oh that's so good and then he'd be like right go past me really fast and I'll film you ahead I was like really is this what you lot do with your Porsche you said yeah it's what we do we have walkie talkies and then I'll drive up ahead and say right it's clear you can go fast you know or you can overtake because I'm further down than you and I can see there's no cars coming so we had this funny little two way kind of thing going on and be like I'll go past you now and film you like a lot of kids you know so anyway it was really good fun but I'm not buying a Porsche anytime soon not worth it but anyway we got to the funeral

16:24Michael Douglas: and it was mega 170 people maybe turned up. I mean, that shows you've lived a good life. I said to Pip, I said, do you reckon you'll get this many people at your funeral? We agreed that he wouldn't. But it was brilliant. So there was a guy there. Of course he would. I've never really been to funerals before. Have you not? I've maybe been to one. My friend Dave died when I was probably about 28. And I did his funeral. and did his speeches, you know, but I don't really think I've been to many since then, you know.

16:59Davina McCall: I've been to so many. Yeah. So anyway, it was really nice. It was this lovely guy who hosted the whole thing and then one of Davey's kids got up and did a lovely speech about his dad. I kept thinking, oh, I'm going to have a massive cry, but I didn't actually. I had a big smile on my face for the whole thing. Oh, that's nice. And then one of his friends got up and did a poem and then they did a couple of other things and then a big photo montage to one of his favourite songs, a big Motown song. And then we all went back to the pub for a drink and I had a chat with his wife and all these kids and then loads of people who I used to work with and everything.

17:33I mean, I think today, that was yesterday.

17:35Michael Douglas: So I think today will probably be a sad day because I get the feeling after the funeral, it's like, oh, it's over. I've always found funerals is that actually the day after, you can, it feels a bit empty, but you can move on with normal living. That you go back to work and you, you know, start trying to rebuild your life. Yeah. It's not the same and you're not over it, but it is the beginning of something. You are completely stuck. The world stops when someone dies. And you are totally stuck until the funeral. Okay. And then you can start walking forwards. It was a lovely experience, I would say.

18:27And it was really nice to speak to lots of people. Lots of people wanted to talk to me, which I thought was really nice. I felt really welcome. And I spoke to all of his kids individually and collectively. And everybody was at peace. you know, just in a lovely, there was just a lovely vibe about it all, you know, so I felt a bit sad when I left. I bet you did, because it's home, right? Yeah, there was a lot of, there was a lot of home. It's got a lot of nostalgia. Incredibly nostalgic. For you, yeah.

18:55Michael Douglas: And then I got in on the train, I dropped the Porsche off at the garage, and then got on the train, and then listened to Van Morrison's Enlightenment. Now, this is my recommendation for this week, if you're looking for something to listen to, within this particular album Van Morrison wrote called Enlightenment. Now, when I used to mop the salon floor at the end of the day, when I worked for David, he'd always put Van Morrison on, and we'd all have a tidy round. I'd never really listened to Van Morrison before. I was probably only 19 or 20, and I was like, what is this music? It's like old man's music, but brilliant.

19:28And he said, oh, this is Van Morrison. So this record really reminds me of David, but I'd forgotten just how brilliant a record it is. But Van Morrison is a beautiful spiritual man. And he always sounds like he's singing about practical things in some ways. You know, he's thinking about either fishing or, you know, other things about going camping or walking up hills or whatever. But actually when you dig underneath the songs, they're all deeply, deeply spiritual. But the second track on the album is called Enlightenment. And I hadn't really realised how it's deeply spiritual. There's this great few lines in it.

20:07And the opening line is, chop that wood and carry water, and what's the sound of one hand clapping? Enlightenment. I don't know what it is. And I'm like, oh, this is a spiritual song about trying to find this sense of enlightenment, but not really understanding what it is. And then there's another great bit of the song where it says, Enlightenment says the world is nothing, nothing but a dream. Everything's an illusion, nothing is real. And then it says, Enlightenment, I don't know what it is. and then in the end he says enlightenment um it's up to you it's always up to you yeah and yeah and i just thought god i was like sobbing you know listening to it thinking yeah of course you know things are what you make them really you know you're at your interpretation of an enlightening moment or something it's yours to either create or embody or to witness or to see or bring to life but that song will always be my song for remembering David Thomas and recognising the brilliant thing that he gifted me with which was a sense of happiness and joy and love and just a kind of great sense of feeling glad to be alive really.

21:21So I'd listened to the whole album by the way, there's some brilliant songs on it and there's a great one at the end called Memories and that really helped me as well today just remember as much as I could the times we'd spent together. So have a little listen to that. There's like 47 Van Morrison albums. It's shocking, really. Are there really? Oh, my God. He's just written so, so many. Oh, my God, I had no idea.

21:44Michael Douglas: And I was with somebody this weekend who said that they are helping make a documentary film about Van's life. Really? And he's spending time with Van Morrison at the moment. A couple of days a month as they curate the movie. So I'm really looking forward to that. But you don't want to get bogged down in everything, but check out, put it on for, it's only about 46 minutes long. Every song's a banger on there. There's a lovely song called Avalon of the Heart, which is a little story about King Arthur and the Round Table, and Glastonbury Tor, because that whole area's called Avalon, you know. And when I was making my TV show with Dan Snow, the history man and the hairdresser, we went to Glastonbury Tor, and I remember just having this song, Avalon of the Heart, just piling into me and thinking, wow, we've ever made a big feature documentary about history?

22:30that's one song I would bang in there but that's also on the record as well so give it a listen and might just give you a break from the things you're listening to at the moment thank you very much for that that was lovely I would also just you reminded me that I was at a memorial on Saturday and I just wanted to say rest in peace Emma Kennedy not the comedian Emma Kennedy my school friend Emma Kennedy who was a very very very funny and bright and brilliant woman and who got me into a lot of trouble um i didn't mean to do it but she made me you like trouble though you i guess um but yes thanks to charlie her brother for putting on such an amazing event and it was really nice to see my entire life flash before me in in an afternoon so that was great this episode is brought to you by progressive insurance.

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24:04Davina McCall: Actually, I've got quite a weird suggestion for people now, and that is to go to the Primavera Sound Festival 2026 this year, and it's between the 3rd and the 7th of June, and it's in Barcelona. and I'm putting a shout out to all midlifers. If you're kids, if you're empty nesters, press the fuck it button and go to a festival. Yeah. And go abroad. Do something mental.

24:30Michael Douglas: Yeah, get away. There is nothing that makes you feel more alive than doing something you've never done before. Being like naughty, kind of doing something your kids wouldn't expect you to do. Go camping at a festival. It doesn't matter that like half the festival is, you know 25 and younger like go be the oldie in the crowd and actually i think you'd be surprised when you go to festivals how many people are in midlife and just enjoying it all over again

24:57Davina McCall: the reason why i'm saying go to primavera sound is because actually some of the acts on this year are ridic so the wet leg are on obviously we love wet leg i'm obsessed with wet leg um but they've got on the fourth doja cat massive attack i'm going to read out the ones that i think people people would know i'm just reading this one out for joel geese are they playing yeah geese are playing um and there's another one that i love like um they're a dance um kind of act and they're called over mono and i absolutely love them then the next day on the fifth the cure wow yeah and Skrillex, who's amazing, Addison Rae, Pink Pantheress also, just want to also talk about Pink Pantheress, I am in her latest video, don't know how I waggled that, unbelievable, and then on the next day, the XX are on, and Gorillaz, and you know I've been banging on about Little Sims, that singer, Sim Simmer, who got the keys to my bimmer, Little Sims is playing on the 6th little sims as she um peggy goo oh really yep on the 6th oh well there's a

26:14Michael Douglas: little recommendation for you so there's um peggy goo and dj co's yep they did a song called i go and if you want to kind of really mad techno dance song it is brilliant but put some headphones in and go deep into it. Yeah, go deep into it. It will blow your mind. And finally, here's a DJ that it's my dream this year to go and see him play live. You've already seen me. I've already played live for you. Carl Cox. Wow. Really want to see Carl Cox this year. It's my dream. We should have seen him at Burning Man. We should have seen him at Burning Man. I can't believe we didn't. I'm really upset about that.

26:55Anyway, that is... I mean, if not going to a festival, do something bonkers. It will make you feel so alive.

27:06Michael Douglas: Great idea. Great idea. OK, so what should we talk about next? Let's talk about... Yeah, no, you've got jewellery to talk about. No, I'm not going to do it this week. I think you should talk about that one this week. OK, well, on Sunday we went to see our good friend Fern Cotton for a Sunday roast. And I'm always a bit weirded out about doing this because she's vegan. and I'm always like, what am I going to get? But fortunately she did two roasts, a vegan one and a beef. Can I just say, that was like one of the greatest meals I've ever had. Their potatoes were ridiculous. Yeah, potatoes were good.

27:40They were so crunchy.

27:42Michael Douglas: I guess vegans are very good at doing vegetables. Yeah, she's really good at cooking. I mean, the non-meat pie was unbelievably good. I didn't try that. Oh my God, it was so good. Yeah, well, good. I'm delighted about that. Anyway, we had a lovely time. Anyway, it's my birthday coming up, and I'm having a little party, and she couldn't make it, so she bought me birthday presents, and they were beads. Obviously. Now, anyone who knows me knows that I'm bead mad. The bead guy. All the beads. All the beads. Anyway, she's good. She said, I opened these, and she's watching me open them, which makes me very nervous, because I was like, I've got to like them, whether I don't like them or not.

28:24But thank God.

28:24Michael Douglas: Thank God I did. So they're from... You didn't just like them. Oh, my God. I think they're my favourite beads. But it's quite weird that she literally could not have got you better beads. Yeah, I was looking at myself in the mirror. They've got an eye on. I'm going to take a picture of you now, Michael, and I'm going to post it. Okay. Let me take my glasses off over there. Sexy. No, sexier. Try and look a bit sexier. Oh, yeah. I don't have to do sexy, you know. Let's have a look. Yeah, it looks all right. It's pretty sexy. You look great. Yeah. Anyway, from a company called Coco Jagger. You can go and find them on Instagram.

28:58Michael Douglas: I think that is quite... How do you spell the Jagger of Coco Jagger? That's a good question. Let me have a little look. It's J-A-G-G-E-R. Okay, brilliant. Coco Jagger. Let me just pop that into the matrix. Coco Jagger jewellery. So she's on Instagram. Now, she's only got 374 followers, so I'm assuming she's a newbie to the world of Instagram. I have to say, she is really, really, really, really good. The necklace with the eye on it is off the charts.

29:31Davina McCall: Brilliant. Brilliant, isn't it? And look at those ones with the stones. I mean, these are perfect festival necklaces. If you're going to go mad and go to a festival that we're suggesting, like we're suggesting, get beaded up and get a Coco Jagger necklace.

29:49Michael Douglas: So it looks like she's Coco.Jagger on Instagram. which is at cocojagger.com on the Tinterweb. But there are so many nice things there. Now, I'm just going to give you a price on them. So some of them are expensive, like there's one here at£175. They're£175. There's lots of stuff sold out at the moment. There's some more pendant ones that are more like£220 or£270 for some. But they've got gold-plated little clasps on. All of them are proper gemstones and all that. If I just click the about button here, it'll tell you a little bit. No two pieces are the same. Each element is thoughtfully selected for its beauty, meaning and healing properties.

30:32Michael Douglas: They are mischievous and spirited, energetic. Mischievous and spirited. I love that. Flirtatious and whimsical. Yes, so good. Every piece is a cocktail of precious semi-precious stones. Our ingredients list include 100 % silk thread, gold-plated accessories, hand-painted ceramic pendants, mother of pearl and murano glass charms i'm telling you they are absolutely so good expect to see me in these until they fall off my body so good but big thanks to fern cotton and a lovely big shout out to coco jagger they're absolutely brilliant yeah really brilliant and i'll keep my eyes look at this one that she's got on this page it's got a watermelon on it there a little seashell a raspberry a little starfish oh my god they're so nice i really keep my eyes peeled would you like some if one comes up I would love some okay consider it done it's going to be a little present for you at some point this year when you least expect it yes thank you very much I would absolutely love that yeah great okay your turn so I um love this guy he's called DJ Skill Spins he's got 385

31:40Davina McCall: thousand followers but I got introduced to him because he did it like I was talking about anthrax and public enemy doing a mashup and someone said no have you heard the Led Zeppelin public enemy mashup and I was like no and turns out that DJ skills spins has done one so I am going to play it for you are you ready

32:06Michael Douglas: I'm ready.

32:33Davina McCall: How good is that?

32:38Michael Douglas: Brilliant. I just love people that mash up rock. Yeah, I know. With rap. Run DMC did that with Aeris. So good. What? This way? Yeah, and the Beastie Boys, they did a great clash of rap and rock. Who did they do? Faith No More, was it? No, I think Beastie Boys were kind of rap rock. Oh, they were, yeah. I mean, the Sabotage was one of my favourites, where they pretended to be kind of cops and doing this bum slide across the sort of bonnet of the car. I must listen to a bit of Beastie Boys, actually. You gotta fight for your right to fight. Was that the Beastie Boys? Yeah, so that was, yeah.

33:19Davina McCall: But the video for Sabotage is the one where they are pretending to be cops.

33:35Michael Douglas: I do love rock rap

33:38Davina McCall: that was all from when I was like at MTV oh yes great can we talk about Sunday yeah we did we should actually talk about the weekend really the whole weekend yes okay let's do that we had a brilliant weekend so on Friday I was in the studio and Joel Dommer texted me and he said, I'm playing the Palladium tonight, which is only around the corner from where my studio is. He said, do you fancy coming? And I was like, I'd love to come. I've never seen Joel Dommer doing his stand-up. And I'm a stand-up connoisseur. I love it. I've been a stand-up for a while. I just love all of it. All the different styles, all the different flavours of it.

34:12Can I ask you something? Yeah. What was it like doing it? It was interesting, really. I guess for me, because I was a teacher, I have no problem standing up in front of people talking. And I think for most people, stand-up comedy is terrifying.

34:27Michael Douglas: You've got to get up there and then talk to a lot of strangers. So I don't have a problem with that. The thing is, trying to make people laugh is quite difficult. It's quite hard, yeah. Because they know why they're there, the audience, and you know what your job is. Yes. So there's something very specific that needs to happen. Yes. So I did, probably did about 15 or 20 gigs. What I found in the end, really, is that you need to do about 100 gigs. And then you get this thing called finding your voice. Right. And you don't get to choose what comedian you are. Right. It's chosen for you. That's very interesting.

35:04Through a process of elimination. So a good way to think about it is that you die into the comedian you are. So you might start doing characters, anecdotes, jokes, or whatever. Not working. So all these things have to die off. And in the end, you're left with the comedian that you can be. And do you think everyone can be a comedian? Yes, I think every comedian could find an audience. And that's why you can watch some comedians and think, this is not comedy, this is rubbish. Yet they're playing to a room full of people. Because there's an audience for everything. So don't ever worry about that.

35:34That's interesting as well. That's what I believe. Now, I learned this through reading Frank Skinner's book. If you're an inspiring comedian or you've got a kid or a partner who wants to be a comedian, Frank Skinner's autobiography is the best one I have ever read about becoming a comedian. He didn't want to be a kind of self-deprecating, pervy, brummy comedian. He wanted to be a sophisticated comedian telling clever jokes.

35:58Davina McCall: Yes. It just didn't work. And one night he went out and was like a working class, brummy, pervy comedian. And he brought the house down and he was like, got it.

36:09Michael Douglas: Found his voice. That's the only thing I can do. God, it's fascinating, isn't it? Same with musicians. You can't, Coldplay didn't want to be Coldplay. Really? Yeah, they wanted to be Radiohead, you know. Oh my God, really? And they realised they just couldn't do it. You know, all they can be is Coldplay. I think that's so interesting because I wanted to be Whitney Houston, but actually I'm nobody. Yeah, well, you are. But it's funny. I probably, actually, if I was going to sing, what's interesting is I'm not, well, I wasn't a huge musical fan. Okay, musical theatre, yeah. I am very good at singing musical theatre.

36:48This is a brilliant example. Yeah, so that's quite funny. We sing to each other quite a bit, you know, it's a bit of a laugh. And you are brilliant at musical theatre. Isn't that funny? And that's the thing, you know, so you don't necessarily get to choose. It gets chosen for you. Yeah, that's really funny. So I was interested to see where Joel Domit had landed as a comedian. And it was great. Me, you and my son Joel went. And it was so wholesome. Oh, my God, it was so wholesome. Wasn't it? Hannah was there. Hannah's having a baby. He got her on stage, his wife. She was six days overdue to have a baby.

37:22So she was about to burst. He didn't know whether he'd have to leave the stage at any minute. It was so brilliant. Oh, my God, he did like a three-minute thing on me.

37:30Michael Douglas: He did, he did. That was very funny. Yes, even I got a mansion, thanks, God. I was like, oh, my God, please, please, God, please be nice, please be nice. Yeah, he's too nice, the guy. So he's finished this tour, but in future, if you're looking for a really good night out that is funny, but also beautiful. But also, we really must say, about the last 45 minutes, 40 minutes were just so cleverly crafted. Yeah, it was very nice. That he really set us up in the first half and then amazed us all in the second. And that's my favourite kind of comedy show where you go, oh, okay, wow, that was really clever.

38:11Michael Douglas: The trick is, in the first half, They lower your expectations and then they exceed them in the second half. Oh, massively. But it was just so, it was clever what he did. Yeah, it was good. So that was Friday night. Saturday, we decided to stay in town because a good friend of ours is a floor manager at TV Centre, which is next door to where we were staying. And she was managing Saturday Night Live. And we'd never seen Saturday Night Live, the UK version. And we thought, yeah, great. The Foo Fighters were on. And she said, do you want to come and see the Foo Fighters? We were like, yeah, great.

38:42Michael Douglas: so we went to see the whole full dress rehearsal of Saturday Night Live on Saturday and they call it a dress rehearsal which makes you think there's three people in the room but it was an entirely full audience yeah it's a two hour show yeah that then they wait for an hour and then they put it out completely live and get rid of the bits they don't want to use they cut things after the live which I think it must be quite hard imagine if your only sketch was in the rehearsal and then they cut it and it doesn't make it it's brutal but I have to say After all the TV shows we've worked on over the years, it was the biggest production I've seen.

39:16Yeah, it's mega. And the quality of the writing and the performances of everybody in it was absolutely knockout. And I was not expecting it to be that good. It was so good. It was brilliant. So another recommendation is Saturday Night Live. Definitely watch it. And can I just say, Saturday Night Live, get tickets if you can.

39:33Davina McCall: Yeah, go and see it. But go to the dress rehearsal or the main show. It doesn't matter. Both are epic. Superb, yeah. It was quite weird for me because I'd been at a memorial all day. And I thought, oh, just, am I going to be... I loved it. And the comedians on there, what's so funny is that I didn't know any of them when that series started. And it is amazing how quickly they bed in. And, guys, last Saturday, if you missed it last Saturday, Jimmy Fallon turned up. And it was amazing. He was so funny. but I nearly fell off my chair when he walked in.

40:10Michael Douglas: It's full of beans in me. Yeah, it was absolutely brilliant. And Nicola Cloughlin was the host and she was fucking brilliant. Sorry for swearing, but she was so good. So that was Saturday, which were brilliant. And then Sunday, we went over to Fern's house. Yeah, which we just talked about and the delicious food and lovely people. Ryland was there. Yeah, God, fuck me, he's funny. He is a bit too funny, really. I was exhausted by the time. He's very, very, very funny. And then we left... We just laughed non-stop. It was absolutely brilliant. We left Ferns and I got us tickets to see Steve Craddock.

40:41Michael Douglas: Oh, my God. Now, he was playing a tiny little theatre in Fleet. It was the closest one I could get to in London. Now, if you don't know who Steve Craddock is, Steve Craddock is the guitarist, Lee Gart guitarist in Ocean Colour Scene. Now, in the 90s, when they came out with Moseley Shoals, which is a great record, by the way. And you'll know the riff from TFI Friday. Down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down. That's Steve Craddock. who plays that. So anyway, he was also the lead guitarist in Paul Weller's band since 1992 and still is to this day. I've followed him for years, really, but he never stops working.

41:15He's the hardest working guy in music, as far as I'm concerned. He never stops. Anyway, he was doing a one-man show and it was him and his son, Cass, and his wife, Sally, just the three of them.

41:26Davina McCall: Wait, wait. Good God. And Noodles. And Noodles, the dog. Oh my God, the dog! Now, I know the work really well. I know the songs pretty well, even some of like Steve's more rare stuff that's on a solo record. But he did songs from Ocean Colour Scene, other songs that he'd written and produced with people like P.P. Arnold. But the thing that really got me was Sally and Cass and him and their relationship and the little bits of talk in between. I mean, the music was obviously amazing. He's such an accomplished musician. musician but but cas was incredible flute yeah guitar keyboards and then also sally was absolutely breathtaking she was playing a bit of like you know percussion as well and just the three of them together the the music they that they achieved and they were able to make yeah like i don't know it was just absolutely mind-blowing and so wholesome but the but the dog just finished me off i just couldn't believe it and then we managed to say hello before we left yeah we got a great picture and i've got a bit obsessed with sally now yeah she's kundalini

42:39Michael Douglas: oh my god but sound singing bowls oh yeah singing bowls i've because i've got singing bowls but i haven't quite perfected like my technique yet yeah um but she's she's amazing on them i'm following her now but she's really good at that she also does kundalini yoga which i'm also obsessed by so she's my kind of woman yeah well we've got to hang out with them a bit they're so they were so so good what a weekend yeah thank you for those tickets by the way Michael it's a absolute pleasure Steve Craddock is still playing he's still got quite a few tour dates right until next year yeah it's going for a long time please go goodstevecraddock.com they're in small venues so they're holding maybe like two three hundred people in them definitely go and the music is that type of music you listen to in utter silence yes and just allow it to wash over you but he's got a beautiful voice and the instrumentation.

43:30There wasn't one moment where I was thinking, when does it end? I didn't look at my watch. More, more. Even at the end when they walked off, I was like, more, more. There's a great song, I think, called The Apple, which is about him and his family, about all of them. And it's just a bloody lovely song. And for a guy who's in rock and roll, essentially, this lovely sentimental feeling and this great family appreciation of raising a family. It's bloody great. So if you're looking for something to go to...

44:01Davina McCall: I couldn't recommend that high enough, actually. It's really, really, really go.

44:05Michael Douglas: It's called Traveller's Tune, An Evening with Steve Craddock. Okay, we've done quite a lot here, so let's do a few shout-outs. I've got other stuff saved up for next week, which is good, so we'll have lots to talk about there. Let me find making the cut. library I love our shout outs thank you everybody for the shout outs so Julie five days ago said oh guys you make my Fridays I did have to giggle at the high five situation so many wonderful discussions you are both fantastic thank you so much and yes yes yes to the live podcast oh good oh thanks that's nice to know that you like that yeah good isn't it Val Morton says love the podcast listen to it while gardening and all the in-app sounds great.

44:54Michael Douglas: Oh yeah, we talked about an app where it was all in so people could find stuff. Yeah, that is happening. Great. I also have loads of lists on my phone. Great pod with so much stuff and yes, to the book, Michael. Oh, good. Lauren Morris. Yep. It says yes to the live podcast. We'll be there. And yes, you should write a book, Michael. Yeah, the precious building. And then Anna Fiona, or Anne Fiona says, would love to travel from Eccleston. You don't know where I'm at? Oh, yes, I do. It's right near Leyland. Yes. To see you live, so please do it. Now, you don't know this necessarily, but I have had a response from the Boulevard Theatre to say they would love to have us there.

45:33Oh, my God, are you kidding me?

45:34Michael Douglas: So I've got Jack, my agent, coming over tomorrow. Oh, my God, are you kidding me? How big is the book? Jesus. I don't know. It's not a big theatre. No, good, OK, that's fine. It's owned by Simon Hammerstein. Oh, OK, great, great. So it's in the box area. Oh, great. Oh, my God. Oh, God, shut the front door. So things are moving in that direction, folks. Oh, my God, that is so good. And then I've got a couple of things to shout out here in general. So Sally Looms said, I thought you might like this brand. Honestly, the tote bags are unbelievable. Heavy canvas and a hard bottom. That's a bit like me.

46:12Michael Douglas: Brilliant, but they're called Kit Bricks. Let's have a quick look at their page here. Kit Bricks on Instagram. and they've got all these different types of bags to carry in.

46:22Davina McCall: Oh, they look great. Yeah. So they're a tote bag, but an extra one.

46:26Michael Douglas: Yeah.

46:27Davina McCall: You know, like when kids go, oh, mum, you're so extra.

46:30Michael Douglas: Oh. So you can put loads of stuff in it, like shoes and stuff.

46:33Davina McCall: Can we just, yes, recommend kit bricks. They look great.

46:36Michael Douglas: Yeah. Oh, yeah, nice. So good. Oh, that was quite clever with the sheep. It was, wasn't it? Yeah. So thanks very much. How do you spell it? K-I-T-B-R-I-X.com. B-R-I-X. Great. especially the tote is personally so good. Yvonne Cunningham has sent this thing here called Generation. And I don't know if you've seen this, but I get the feeling this will be right up your street. It is a musician, it seems, called Young Lean. Oh, yeah. Or is it Dancer? But this is set in the future, but it's a lot of kids. So it's called Generation, but the A is the number eight, So it's Jenner 8 I-O-N. And Jung Lean is a Swedish rapper.

47:23Michael Douglas: Oh, okay. So that must be the song and this must be the video.

47:26Davina McCall: Do you know what this is reminding me of?

47:27Michael Douglas: Yeah. Radiohead. Yes, the anime. Anime. But let me show you a little bit of the stuff later on because it'll blow your brains out, I think. Oh, God, this is like this. Oh, wow. Looks like the Brits this year. Wow, this is a brilliant video. Let's see this

47:53Oh my god this is so good

47:56Michael Douglas: Yeah it's good isn't it This is all the kind of dancing that I watch I watch them do their arms thing in a minute Yeah it's very clever

48:09Michael Douglas: It's good isn't it

48:10Davina McCall: You know what I love is really kind of carnage energetic dancing which is the kind of dancing we would all love to do. But everyone's always a bit self-conscious on the dance floor that this is like, oh my God, this is so good. Yes, everybody, watch this. This is great.

48:30Michael Douglas: So thank you. Thank you. Wow. Yvonne Cunningham, that's good. Yvonne knows us. Yeah. I love that. But it also seems to be on Talking Monkey on Instagram. Wow. Thank you so much. Becky Conop, who I think is the wife of the Paul Scott who we recommend. I mean, remember he's Paul Scott's junior. Oh, yes, the art. Yeah, God, that was so good. And she says, thanks so much for the shout-out. So glad to love it. If Davina and Michael would like to pick their faves, we can pop them in the post and say thank you. Oh, wow. Amazing. We'd love to pick our faves. Yeah, we'd love to. Thank you so much, Becky.

49:02Yeah, brilliant. Good work again, Paul. Can I just say, today was a good one. It was packed.

49:09Michael Douglas: This one. Full of absolute stonkers. 50 minutes as well it's a long one it's a big long one but we've talked about so many things yeah enjoy folks we will get this out on Friday morning and we'll get to work on the app that I'm still trying to work out I'm going to call Jamie tomorrow about that see if we can get that that would be so good it would be so helpful for people because they wouldn't have bits of paper or notes wouldn't be full of recommendations you just go straight to the app and you can look it up lots of love everybody we love you take care bye bye

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