SERIES 17: Episode 6 - Lightroom, Tuddenham Mill, Doors of Perception, Air Fryer Girl, Red Hot Chili Peppers

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0:45Michael Douglas: Okay, welcome back everybody to Making the Cut. I am Michael Douglas. I am Davina McCall. Oh, Davina Douglas. Yeah, I guess you are. Ina Douglas, aren't you? Yeah. Yeah, this is the trip advisor for your life, apparently. It is. How is the advice you've been given for the trip of your life, ladies and gentlemen? Let us know in the comments section on Spotify and Instagram. And I've turned into a broadcaster. I've turned into Kenny Everett all of a sudden. Can I just say something? Yeah. Can I just say, well done us. Yeah, because we're both a bit shattered. We're tired. Yeah, we've been very busy.

1:22And we've done very, very well to do this tonight. Well done us.

1:25Michael Douglas: Yeah, well done us. Pat on the back. Pat on the thigh. Yeah. Well, I'm trying to remember what we've done since we last saw you, but probably everything. I've done something very exciting today. Go on. So, London is awash with these experiential kind of places that you can go to and experience art, culture, but in a room full of light so there's places called frameless where you could go I never get was it Monet or it was a Rembrandt all the different yeah the impressionist artists wasn't it oh my god and you could run across the floor and they would all sprinkle all the petals would sprinkle everywhere well today I went to a different one called the light room it's in um king's cross which in itself is now it's outrageous isn't it a brilliant considering experience it used to be just full of drugs and prostitutes yeah now yeah it's full of drugs and prostitutes and showrooms no i'm joking the architect no it's really it really really has um come into its own it's been absolutely incredible going down there and walking around with my daughter and her boyfriend and they were more au fait with it than I was I was embarrassed I was thinking how come I don't know this stuff but it was so utterly brilliant so um I went to go and see David Bowie you are not alone and I'm just telling you right now you have to go with Joel I know you tried to make it today and you've been very very busy indeed but you are going to absolutely love it because this man was the ultimate chameleon.

3:14But not only that, so sexy, so interesting and different and constantly adapting, but was very, not as sexy as you. Sorry, is that what you were trying to do? I was just waiting for a little comment now. I mean, obviously not as sexy as you. No one is as sexy as you. We know that. Thank you. but what I think is incredible is that he never compromised his art so he only ever sang for himself not for the audience if the audience loved it then that was brilliant but what it created was something so pure he he was actually a bit overwhelmed with changes and heroes it was it was kind of too much like he was enjoying the slight kind of um cultness of aladdin sane and diamond

4:10Michael Douglas: dogs um and he and but became too famous yeah yeah but what is brilliant is the fact that he you get his voice talking about his art and what he liked about it he he was a shy man the the looks that he had were in fact characters he would kind of become and at one point he kind had become too many characters and it was oh they were overwhelming him and um you know as he got a bit old he kind of settled into david um but it's it is so worth going to see it's on every single day it's on from 10 a.m the last entry is at 4 30 and the whole circle of the footage is one hour okay so when you go you're going for one hour but it is a completely immersive experience you can sit down and there are seats all over the place what did we go and see there before cold plays oh that was so good wasn't it um i'd go see that again please will you put it on again light room um thank you very much the screens are amazing the visuals are fantastic but because he was such um what would you call him?

5:27Auteur? Like, yeah.

5:30Michael Douglas: Is he an auteur? Oh, I don't know. I've never heard that. I love that. Yeah, okay. I'm not sure what it means. Yeah, great. I'll take that. But he was unique. Yeah. There's never been anybody like him. And he was absolutely just, he was mesmerising that's what he was absolutely brilliant he wasn't an auteur what's an auteur oh my god I love you for that an auteur is a film director whose personal creative vision is so strong and consistent that they are considered the primary author of the film rather than the screenwriter or the studio it was close though it was somebody who is like the thing the thing yeah but yours was for film and we need to make a word up for music music what was a musical auteur maybe it would be a songwriter

6:34Michael Douglas: for a French girl that was pretty good anyway please go let me just quickly tell you also about the shop they had some absolutely amazing merch There's a gift shop on the way out. I've got a few little prezzies. A couple of prezzies for you and the boys. I got one for Wild. Oh, my God. I wanted this T-shirt, but they didn't do little sizes. Oh, fucking hell. I know. The whole little size thing. What's wrong? There is a little people exist. I have to wear kids' T-shirts. Yeah, I do that. They're all too big. When I get T-shirts printed from the street shirts or wherever it is, I choose 13 to 14 year old boys.

7:22Yes, I mean, that is the perfect fit for you.

7:25Michael Douglas: Because if you get like a small man's, it's made for like a wrestler. Yes, yes. Ludicrous. It is. It's absolutely mad. So I'm trying to find out right now how much the shows are. so I'm just looking at um for example um 22nd of April the shows are on from you can get a family discount at 10 between 10 and 12 30 and that is for 25 pounds and then the um shows later on are 27 pounds 50 or 25 pounds depending on which show you want to go to but I just want to say it is well worth the money. Brilliant show. David Bowie, You Are Not Alone, Lightroom.co, no, Lightroom.uk, Lightroom.uk. Nice. Okie dokie.

8:23Michael Douglas: So this weekend, we found ourselves at Tuddenham Mill. Oh, well, that's so interesting because I also was going to talk about that. We can both talk about that. Well, let's both talk about it. So, Chester, Davina's son. And Lara. And Lara, yeah. bought us for Christmas a little night away at a place called Tuddenham Mill in Cambridge, which is like a fancy hotel, but it has these little outhouses in the fields, in the farmer's fields type thing, by the mill, by the water, the lake, spasms and all that stuff. And they're like these little sheds, I suppose, you know. It made us think of hobbits.

8:59Michael Douglas: Yes, it felt like being in Lord of the Rings or something like that, you know. and it had a lovely wood-fired hot tub outside and all the bed linen and everything was super nice and a little bathroom and a shower room. Really nice pillows. Lovely bar area in the mill itself. Breakfast was gorgeous. Amazing restaurant. So we are recommending it. Now, also the thing I would like to recommend is a night away. So I think sometimes you think, well, I mean, God, you've got to drive there and do we need to go? I just want to go to bed. I'm so tired. But you end up kind of doing a bit of washing, unloading the dishwasher.

9:40And what was interesting with you and I, we got there at about three and we sort of thought, oh, we'll go to the room. And then we just collapsed, didn't we? We sort of like went to sleep.

9:52Michael Douglas: I had this idea that I was going to read a book. Yes, me too. There's just no way my brain could have read a book. You know, I was just like, crikey, all right. But I think we're just so tired. all the time. It's a bit run down. A bit run down. But it was a fantastic, relaxing 24 hours. And the hot tub was amazing, especially at night. Yeah, yeah. So it was a wood-fired hot tub, so you've got to build a fire that heats up the water, but it heats it up like a kettle. And I heated it up so hot that I literally scalded myself. I got in it and had to leap out of it and then get some cold into it. but I quite enjoyed the whole monitoring the temperature of the water, building a fire, you know, the whole ritual aspect of it.

10:38Michael Douglas: Yes. It was super nice. Anyway, we had a lovely time and we thought, oh, my God, it's a definite recommendation. We had talked about this, I think, at Christmas when we were gifted it, but we've been there. Well, we've been there and I think, you know, it is worth saying what a lovely place it was. And I thought the breakfast, even if you don't go to stay at Tootinham Mill, I think that going for a bite to eat is well worth it as well. The stay per night is£261, but that is for the little private cabin. Nobody else can see you that's staying at the hotel. If you get into the hot tub, no one is overlooking your hot tub.

11:18So you can get in it naked. The secluded hot tub, it is very, very private. and so the other rooms that you can sleep in um the terrace um little hobbit hobbit hubs hubs um is 146 pounds a night yeah it's all right yeah which is is really good and then if you want you get full free breakfast with everything um they've also got really nice uh loft suites with beds and sofas. They're 220. And then the jetted tub with the double bed, where we stayed, is 261 pounds. So I really, we can't recommend it high enough. It was absolutely gorgeous. And also, thank you so much to Chester and Lara. That was really, really nice of you.

12:06Thank you.

12:07Michael Douglas: Now, as you know, as I talked about the last couple of weeks, my good friend David Thomas had died. Yes. Which was very sad. And I went to his funeral and everything. He really opened me up into leaning into Van Morrison, which he'd introduced me to Van Morrison when I was about 17 or 18. And very weirdly, it just captured my imagination. I absolutely fell in love with Van Morrison records. So over the years, I've kind of just gone through the back catalogue. I think he's got somewhere in the region. Let me just find out how many albums he's got. There are absolutely hundreds of them. Does it say?

12:45Michael Douglas: I think there's somewhere in the region about 60 albums or something he's done in his life, which is just remarkable, really, isn't it? Even if we just go to the last couple of years. So 2026, he did an album, 2025, 2024, 2023. He did three albums in 2023. No, sorry, four albums in 2023. Wow. It's pouring out of it. Yeah, it's just, it's nonstop. So there's a lot to go at. But the one I'm going to recommend today is an album that is called No Guru, No Method, No Teacher. Now, I stumbled across this album probably in the mid-90s when I'd moved to London. I was just looking for some kind of friendly music because I didn't feel so lonely.

13:26Michael Douglas: But I thought this one was in particular very interesting. I think Van Morrison, a lot of people think of Brown Eyed Girl and, you know, some of those Jackie Wilson said. That's what I was like. Those kind of big things, you know. That was the only Van Morrison I knew. Van Morrison is an incredibly spiritual person. So if at all you're interested in Kundalini yoga and sound bowls and all of that stuff, meditation, then have a little scratch around into the world of Van Morrison. Because what you'll find there is a lot of connected sounds and music and words that you will fully appreciate. But this album in particular is sensational.

14:02Michael Douglas: So like I say, it's called No Guru, No Method, No Teacher. And it was his 16th studio album. and he put it out in 1986. It did very well, I think. It was recorded in California, but I'm just going to read a little bit of bump from Wikipedia. The album title is evocative of the 1966 quotation by Jiddu Kirushumorati, who was a spiritual teacher. And he said, There is no teacher, no pupil. There is no leader. There is no guru. There is no master, no saviour. So that's where it came from. You yourself are the teacher and the pupil and the master. You are the guru. You are the leader. You are everything.

14:49Wow. Quite mad, isn't it?

14:51Michael Douglas: But there's a particular song in there, which is what I'm recommending today, and it's called In the Garden. And it is a... You actually slightly blew my mind with this song. It's incredible, isn't it? You know, it's... It was really beautiful. I didn't know this about it because I'd just read it now. But he says, the song in the garden was a favourite fan concert performance for years. I take you through a definitive meditation process, which is a form of transcendental meditation. Oh my God, how funny. Yeah, yeah. And he says, the song is not about that. Forget about that. But he says, you should have some degree of tranquility by the time you get to the end.

15:27Michael Douglas: Yes. It only takes about 10 minutes to do this process. There are references in the songs back to Astral Weeks, which is his first album, with the gardens, wet with rain, a childlike vision. The words are poetic. In the line, you are a creature in rapture. You had the key to your soul. Oh, wow. And it's fantastic. So there's loads of brilliant references in there, and there's lots of references to Keats in there as well. And there's a great little bit in there where he'd asked the Keats family, I think if he could Oh yes he talks about that doesn't he Here Comes the Night is a pun on the theme song of Here Comes the Night His song is Night as in a knight in shining armour and the quotes from the epitaph on the grey stone of one of Morrison's favourite poets W Keats the Keats estates had denied Morrison request to transform a Yeats poem into music but the gravestone was considered public property Here Comes the Courseman through the pass They say, cast the cold eye on life and on death.

16:30Michael Douglas: So he wouldn't allow to use the poetry itself, but he used the quotation that's on the gravestone because it's considered public property. Van Morrison is an utter genius. And I realise that he's got a voice that not everybody can kind of appreciate, but if you could just let go of that for a while. And listen to the words. And have a little listen. But there's two songs I'm recommending on this week's Making a Cut. One is called Got to Go Back, and it's the opening title of this album. and then about two or three songs down the road is one called In the Garden and it is bloody beautiful and if you're interested in nature and meditation and love and spirituality and all the rest of it this song captures it brilliantly and the piano playing is just something else it's just brilliant so once again thank you David Thomas for gifting me a love of Anne Morrison that is still with me in my 53rd year on this planet.

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18:48I'd like to talk about Patrick Cox, our great friend. Yes, of course. Because he has an amazing brand that I am obsessed by called Doors of Perception. You like them as well. We've got loads of stuff from there, yeah. All our kids really love this brand. So he has got an Ibiza in London pop-up shop over the next few days. So 6th to the 10th of May. So that means this comes out on...

19:14Michael Douglas: Is this the 8th? On the 8th. So 8th, 9th, 10th, you can still go to this pop-up shop. So it is on Kensington Park Road, 204 Kensington Park Road, Notting Hill, London, W111NR. now these pop-up shops are amazing because there are normally fantastic deals to be done and he's got on his um page where um doors of perception if you go and have a look follow his page there is a girl um in a dress and i love this dress so much oh do you oh my god look at that that is amazing that was a hint i've ever heard i don't know what you're talking about yeah um so So Kensington Park Road is in Notting Hill, London, W11, 1NR, Doors of Perception.

20:11It's the brand by Patrick Cox. Go to Doors of Perception on Instagram and have a look. His designs are amazing. The embroidery is so beautiful and stunning. I don't know if you remember, but a while back, the embroidery company that he worked with in Ibiza burnt down. And thankfully he's found somewhere else or they've set themselves up and he's back in business again. but the product is unbelievably good quality and we will be popping down there to say hello to Patrick at some point over the next few days. We love that man. So there you go. That is that recommendation.

20:46Michael Douglas: Very good. Okay, so I'm going to rattle through a couple here because I'm aware that every week I think, oh, I should have talked about this, I should have talked about that and there's like four or five so I'm going to whiz through them here. Okay, I've got a couple I'm going to whiz through as well. It's the Red Hot Chili Poppers documentary on Netflix. The Red Hot Chili Poppers, yeah. Amel Nitrate. Yeah. I thought this was really, really good. Yeah, you've talked about this a lot. Very, very special, yeah. So there was an original member, the guitarist of Red Hot Chili Peppers, called Halal, I think he was called.

21:20Michael Douglas: He was a Californian guy. But he was the real kind of artist behind their Red Hot Chili Peppers, him and Anthony. Kedis. Yeah, ended up pretty heavy duty heroin addicts. But so the whole documentary show, the film, if you like, is centered around this particular character, Halal. And he's a fascinating, very much David Bowie type artist, you know. Yes. He draws and paints a lot, writes a lot of poetry, writes a lot of diary entries, writes a lot of songs, fantastic guitarist, you know. and the whole band is really built around this guy and it really takes off when he rejoins the band and they become really big.

22:01Michael Douglas: And he was clean then? Yeah, he's kind of in and out of it really but I'm not really going to go into any great detail but I love a music documentary. I don't need to like the music. I don't particularly need to like the band. I'm just always fascinated when a collaborative bunch of people get together whether it's three or four or five people and then have this extraordinary experience. Hillel, that's right. Hillel he is, yeah. Hillel is a type of meat that's been made sacred. Yeah, Hillel he's called. But he's a super nice guy. There's some brilliant footage from them in the very early days and how they really created this kind of punk hip-hop rock type thing.

22:46Michael Douglas: I mean, I loved them, did you? yeah I mean I'm not easy ozzy about the Red Hot Chili Peppers they do a brilliant song called Dark Necessities are you familiar with Dark Necessities no I just know Bare Necessities yeah yeah similar kind of thing hi Holly hi Paddy I'm going to play yo yo yo we'll be literally five minutes love you guys alright I'll have a listen to this you're going to yeah go on

23:22Michael Douglas: it's a great build that bass player they've got it's called Flea Flea yeah he's amazing I love Flea

23:43Michael Douglas: there's a gear shift in a minute

23:53Oh yeah. I love the fact that they're so funky.

23:57Michael Douglas: I mean, brilliant, isn't it? When we used to have a rock room in the clubs we used to host, we'd play a lot of Chilly Peppers because they're so dancey. They're dancey rockies. It's so brilliant. So anyway, that's on Netflix. It's only about an hour and 45 minutes. If you like music documentaries, just lean in. You're going to really enjoy it. Some brilliant footage in there. I want to talk about Abby. Okay. Air Fryer Girl. Oh, yeah. She's our friend. We've been like celebrating her on Instagram, Air Fryer Girl. She does brilliant, easy to follow, very simple, very quick recipes in air fryers.

24:31Almost everybody's got an air fryer now. Like they are just part of every single kitchen I go to. And Abby Thompson has written this book, Quick and Easy Air Fryer. And get it on Amazon. It is brilliant. It's got everything. that you could possibly wish for in a recipe book that you would want to cook in an air fryer. So I'm going to just tell you some of my favourite recipes. Also, when she sent it to us, by the way, Michael, she sent us a crimpet machine.

25:02Michael Douglas: So thank you for that, Abby. But there's a recipe in there for the best ever coronation chicken. Chicken Parmesan schnitzel. Halloumi burger, air fryer halloumi burger. I mean, yes, thank you, Abby. This is absolutely mega. Everybody get it. Very good. Okay, another one is, oh, God, where can I go? The Michael Jackson documentary. We started watching, there's a three-part Michael Jackson documentary. It's on the BBC. Makes you feel really sorry for him, I think. Yeah, well, I'd quite like to see the film, obviously. Do you know the film ends in 1989? Yes, there must be a part two, right? Well, no, I think me and Andy were discussing it today, but when he started to settle the child abuse cases, it means that you're no longer allowed to talk about them in any film, book or anything like that.

25:51Michael Douglas: So I think the idea ends in 1989 because the writers are silenced essentially to talk about bits and pieces of his life after that. And of course it's such a significant bit of his life. So whether it is a part two or not, I don't know, but there's a feeling that there isn't. Anyway, the documentary, I've only watched episode one of it, but there's a lot of footage I've never seen before I was actually a big fan in the 80s when I was a child. So I used to gather all the VHS videos and everything. So I'd seen a lot of old footage, but there was stuff in there that I'd never seen before that I thought was fascinating.

26:24It was amazing, wasn't it?

26:26Michael Douglas: Seeing how attractive he was and then what he did to himself as a kind of believing that he was a horrible looking person. I think there's something to learn there for everybody, how you can convince yourself that you're not attractive, you're not a nice person or whatever once you start leaning into that belief you're in big trouble don't do it but anyway I've really really enjoyed that the other thing I'm going to quickly mention is we watched Little Miss Sunshine the other night I was just looking for a good film for us to watch that was so good and we'd been to see a one man show with Bryan Cranston who was the guy from Breaking Bad who was also in Little Miss Sunshine very briefly and he talked about it which reminded me to watch it so we were lolloping around on Saturday night or something and I said, can we watch a film?

27:12Michael Douglas: And I said, how about this? Anyway, it's 7.8 on IMDb. It's an hour and 38 minutes, which is the absolute sweet spot of any film. It's a brilliant cast and a lovely story. It's about a family going on a road trip and all the complexities that comes with being in a family. And I've got to say that I wasn't expecting to love it as much as I did and I absolutely adored it. it's quite an awkward film it's a very awkward film and there's long scenes in it without any kind of soundscape or music in it so you can find yourself thinking is this a bit weird you know because most films have got music throughout the entire movie this thing just doesn't do that but it's a brilliant Steve Carell is in there oh it's an amazing cast Paul Dunon I think he's called isn't he oh god Conti really Tony Collette.

28:09Michael Douglas: That's it. Bang! Well done. Got there in the end. Tony Collette. Anyway, it's absolutely brilliant. Little Miss Sunshine. I think I bought it on Apple or Amazon for three quid. So it's streaming on Disney+. You can get it on Prime Video. You can get it on Amazon.

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28:35Michael Douglas: Brilliant. Should we do a couple of shout-outs? Yes. okay so Paul Scott Studios just sent there he's saying thanks again for his big shout out of his studio but he wants to send us a couple of prints so let's definitely have a little look there because I'd love a couple of them they'd look brilliant great uh James King his story has disappeared sorry James Emma Cuthbert says hello I feel like Emma yeah yes yeah yes I feel like this is becoming my weekly check-in well just been catching up on the last two episodes um and the live podcast would be amazing. Also, please, can I recommend Jessie Ware's new album, Super Bloom.

29:12Oh, great.

29:13Michael Douglas: It's so good. A mixture of ballads and classic disco songs. I saw Jessie perform an acoustic set in Middlesbrough a few weeks ago and her voice is unreal. So good. Can't wait to hear more about the live podcast. So we had some friends who went to the album launch. Yes. And Harry Styles was there. Yes, I mean, that's big, right? Yeah, I was like, why are we invited? Jesus. Thanks, Emma. Rachel Jackson jewellery is delighted I tell you what I'd forgotten Rachel Jackson I went to school with her what? yeah I know it's mad isn't it I think she told me that she told me that I've just completely forgotten that oh my god yeah no she told me that it's hard to keep hold of all the information thanks pretty much Rachel Jackson so good Charlotte Pops 224 says Morning Michael and Avila, Charlotte from Loughborough I'd just watched this guy and thought of you both These are the days I needed a reminder of this It wasn't so long ago I know this guy, yeah I was with a good friend of mine And she said something That really hit And that was That These are the times And it really made sense it's like it's so easy to slip into thinking that times are gonna get better when only you've got that thing that you're wanting you've got that job you're after the money that you hope to earn I know this guy he pops up in my feed a lot he's called Jono Verity Dawn of History but he's on Instagram he's got nearly 300 ,000 followers and he's always a listen very spiritual kind of open guy super nice so thanks for sending that Charlotte lovely at the beginning when you showed that I thought it was going to be funny yeah yeah that's quite funny because he looks kind of funny yes and he looks kind of like cool funny and then we've got a couple of shout outs on Spotify I love when you do a comment on Spotify, ladies and gentlemen.

31:28Michael Douglas: So feel free to when you listen to your podcast on Spotify and you want to say something, put it there because I will read it out. But Julie says, as always, fantastic podcast. So much to listen to and exciting, excited regarding the lives that might happen. Can I just say life isn't lonely having you guys. It's amazing how good I feel following and listening to you both of you. Thanks so much. And you've helped my anxiety so much. love you and when you say helped your anxiety does that mean we've made it better like as in there's more of it no we don't we don't want more of it do you remember that I used to watch The Young Ones when I was a kid and someone said what's good for a hangover and they said like a bottle of whiskey and a bottle of vodka you know you've helped my anxiety yeah great so it's got worse yeah Julie I hope it's got better and then Ice Ice Massey says love today's episode thank you guys thank you Okay, we are going to see a venue on Thursday at 2 o 'clock, which could possibly host this live podcast.

32:28Michael Douglas: That is exciting. Quite good, wouldn't it? Yes. And then there's lots of other things going on as well, but we'll speak to you next week, ladies and gentlemen. Love you. Lots of love. Bye-bye. Bye.

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