SERIES 18: Episode 1 - LIVE from the Happy Place Festival

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0:37Davina McCall: hello everybody we are back for a short run of making the cut and the first episode was

0:42Michael Douglas: quite a different one wasn't it yeah yeah you know we've been talking for ages about how we want to make making the cut a live event well the lovely phone cotton gave us the opportunity to do this

0:52Davina McCall: episode at the happy place festival oh my god it was fun it was really good so first of all if you

0:58Michael Douglas: came thank you thank you really brought it you really did yeah yeah it was a brilliant brilliant

1:03Davina McCall: atmosphere and can i just also say you were magnificent well i was trying i was trying

1:09Michael Douglas: to be magnificent so um enjoy the episode let us know what you think either in the comments on spotify or send us a message on making the cut podcast on instagram uh give us a bit of feedback uh we are currently looking for a venue to do this a bit more regularly and give everyone the opportunity to come and see us and bring their own recommendations as well, really.

1:31Davina McCall: And in the meantime, we'll see you next week. Yeah, brilliant. We have got a couple who met in the early 2000s on Big Brother. They are a true example of how love and support can help through traumatic times. And they are both bosses in their individual fields in the television industry. please make some noise for Davina McCool and Michael Douglas. Yes, girlies. Yes, girlies. I love the whooping. Well done. You're great. Keep whooping. Okay. Okay, we're ready.

2:11Michael Douglas: We're ready. We're ready.

2:12Davina McCall: Thank you. Thank you. Hi.

2:14Michael Douglas: Hello, hello, hello. Do you want to go there?

2:17Davina McCall: I'll go there.

2:18Michael Douglas: You'll go there. I'll go over here.

2:19Davina McCall: Michael.

2:19Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah. All right. How is everybody? All right. We have just got back from Ibiza in case you didn't notice. Hence the outfits. Everybody having a nice time? It's hot, isn't it?

2:39Davina McCall: It's very hot. We did a lot of jumping around at the beginning. What were we thinking?

2:43Michael Douglas: This is a new thing for us, ladies and gents. We've never done a live. No.

2:47Davina McCall: We'd like to do more.

2:49Michael Douglas: Yeah.

2:49Davina McCall: So this is a practice run. You are our very attractive and hot guinea pigs.

3:00Michael Douglas: So the first recommendation is what we've just listened to. So this is a set list. Who's on SoundCloud? Who's got a SoundCloud account?

3:10Davina McCall: We would highly recommend you all get a SoundCloud. Before we do anything else, we are giving you permission to get out your phones. Everyone get out their phones. you are going to want to take notes. We are going to recommend countless things. Write everything we say down and literally write next to it what it is because you'll forget. So the first thing is SoundCloud. Get SoundCloud and listen to...

3:38Michael Douglas: Yeah, so there's a DJ we absolutely love. We were introduced to a few years ago and we have talked about him before, but it's called Galavanta. If you want to jot that down, Galavanta. It's all capitals apart from one I, which is a baby I. and it's a double L. It's called Galavant Let's Dance. He's a Scottish DJ and he only plays private parties. You won't get to see him at kind of Fabric and all that kind of stuff. But he has absolutely cracked both of his open musically, spiritually, you know, with the way he's managed to curate these beautiful set lists. And that was one called Helipad Mexico where he played a big, the top of a skyscraper on a helipad recently.

4:17Michael Douglas: And that's why that song feels like a helicopter's about to take off. But that whole set was only dropped about two months ago. Not enough people know about it. But he's got about 12 of these set lists on there. And honestly, they are so good that if you're just lolloping about in the garden or, you know, mooching about in the kitchen or hanging out with your husband or your partner or whatever, and you fancy a little dance and just have a little drink, you know, and kind of get into some sexy energy. If you want, you don't have to, you know. then that is my first recommendation. The SoundCloud account's about$7.99 a month.

4:52Michael Douglas: There is countless stuff on there. It's really, really good for music. And in fact, there's one other thing I do want to say. Is there any Kate Bush fans out there? Okay.

5:00Davina McCall: Can I quickly just say something? I'm going to big you up.

5:03Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah, big me up, big me up.

5:05Davina McCall: Michael does Kate's hair. And I don't know if any of you have got, like, an obsession with a musical artist, but mine is Kate Bush. I have loved her since I was a little girl. She's changed my life. And he does her actual hair. I mean, I've met her once. I tried not to lick her face. She is amazing. Not disappointed.

5:32Michael Douglas: I do her hair and we have a curry together. It's the most bizarre experience of your life, really. But there is a brilliant version, a remix, of Running Up That Hill on SoundCloud. Yes, that is amazing. I'm going to show it to her next time. I should probably hate it, but honestly, if you like her, you like dance music, then just look at that. Kate Bush running up that hill, there's a kind of rave mix of it, and it will blow your mind if you love that kind of thing. First thing I want to recommend, or second thing, is this, my novelty sauna hat. Who likes the sauna? Yeah, well, you're in one today, aren't you?

6:07Michael Douglas: I've been looking for fun sauna hats for ages, because we love being in the sauna. We love a sauna. And then I realised the sauna hat, I don't think anybody knows the science of the sauna hat, but the thing that makes you get out of the sauna is the heat of your head. Yes. Your brain tells you to get out because it's like you're going to die if you stay in there any longer. Get out. So what you do is you take a sauna hat and you fill it full of cold water and you stick that on your head and it keeps your brain ever so slightly cooler. Amazing. So you can stay in the sauna for longer and get much more of the health care.

6:36Davina McCall: It doesn't feel like it should work that, but it does.

6:39Michael Douglas: So these are on Amazon. You just look up novelty sauna hat. You can get one of these. is a flying hat. I'm like, in the sauna, what I'd like is...

6:47Davina McCall: Put your white glasses on if you've got your white glasses.

6:50Michael Douglas: I don't even know where they are.

6:50Davina McCall: Here. This is hilarious. This is how he was raving this week in the Beaver. Sauna hat.

6:57Michael Douglas: What I'd like in the sauna is some kind of steering wheel or something. Turn it up, turn it up.

7:02Davina McCall: Can I just say something? Consider it done.

7:05Michael Douglas: Yeah, okay.

7:06Davina McCall: Next time you go in the sauna, I'll have bought a steering wheel for you to steer. A little flight simulator, yeah, great.

7:11Michael Douglas: So... So that's the first two.

7:12Davina McCall: I would like to pay homage to a friend, and I would like to say a friend of ours, because I'm pretty sure you all know her. Donna Ashworth. Who I'm pretty sure, she's here. She's there. So I want to tell you something quite weird. Donna's supposed to be on a plane right now, and her plane was late. and she thought, shall we quickly nip back to the happy place to watch Davina and Michael doing their pod? And she said, let's see if we get a message from the universe. And I text her exactly at that moment to say, Donna, I found this. I took a photograph of it and I sent it to her and I said, did you write this?

7:55Davina McCall: And she said, how did you get that? And I said, I'm not sure, but she did. And I said, is it all right for me to read it at making the cut, not knowing she was coming, thinking she was going back to Scotland and then she walks in I'm covered in goosebumps yeah it's so it's I'm gonna read it to you and at the beginning you're a bit like what and then it all makes sense in a classic Donna way so it's called the annoying people this is basically I'm recommending Donna Ashworth everything like get all the books read all the poems she will change your life for the better. The annoying people. Don't tolerate the annoying people.

8:36Davina McCall: The ones who sing hello and chat in queues. The ones who won't let a sunset go down without an applause and say, great weather for ducks when it rains. Don't tolerate them. Become them. yes they have it the answer because this life's hard and it will have its way with you one way or another but if you're looking up and letting in light if you're drinking thirstily from the fountain of joy that surrounds us it might just balance the pain and you might just actually have chance of feeling alive whilst you live.

9:32Michael Douglas: You get that?

9:36Davina McCall: You're amazing Donna. Can I also say thank you very much for doing that. Thank you so much for the sign language.

9:44Michael Douglas: Where did that come from?

9:45Davina McCall: I just found it today. But I thought, I read it and I thought, I'm pretty sure it feels like Donna. It's on yellow paper, Donna. It's on yellow paper. So I don't know if it was from Tunbridge Wells. It's quite weird. Like, I found it. It found its way to me. How mad is that? So my second thing that I would like to talk about is two things that are slightly menopause related, but actually I think they might be all of us related a bit. One of them is dry eyes. Now, I've seen a lot of stuff on Instagram about expensive treatments for dry eyes, and it's been slightly bugging me because you don't need expensive treatment.

10:34Davina McCall: Who suffers from dry eyes a bit here? Yeah, okay, lots of us. It is something that women can get with menopause, but actually Harriet, who's here somewhere, she gets it from having contact lenses as well. It is quite a common thing. And this is called Theraduo, and I use this. You can buy it from a chemist over the counter. You don't need a prescription or anything, and you just put the two drops in your eye, and it's very inexpensive. It is called Thialoz, T-H-E-A-L-O-Z, and then Duo, D-U-O. And it is a miracle. Drop in each eye every day, you're done. And especially in this kind of heat, I wake up literally feeling like I can't close my eyes properly.

11:23Davina McCall: So that's a game changer. This stuff, nudie spray. Does anybody know nudie spray? Is anybody here on HRT? Okay, so also, does anybody ever use tip tape, like sticky tip doodah? Right, okay, so Nudie Spray is made a spray. You spray it on. If you're wearing a hormone patch, you peel off the hormone patch. You've got the black square, and it doesn't matter if you never... I don't know where the black stuff comes from, but it comes from somewhere, and you take it off, and you're left with this, and then you're scrubbing really hard on your bum. Actually, this stuff, 10, 15 seconds with this, you wipe it with the pad, it comes off.

12:09Davina McCall: But the thing I love about nudie spray, I found out by mistake about the tip tape thing. Tip tape, it's all fine around this bit, although I'm a bit furry. I don't know if anybody else is. But it's quite painful if you're a bit furry. Do you know what I mean? He says it makes me more cuddly, but I'm a bit embarrassed about it. I quite like the fluff. I'm like, say that word again.

12:30Michael Douglas: Fluffy. She likes the way I say fluffy.

12:33Davina McCall: I love the way he says fluffy.

12:36Michael Douglas: I'm going to just say, sometimes there are oestrogen sicker, I wake up in the morning, it's on me. And I'm like, how has that got there? Starting to lactate and stuff.

12:48Davina McCall: It's taking a really weird turn. But anyway, if you stick this on boob tape and leave it for a bit, it also comes off much easier. And we know when it gets to the nipple, My God, it's so painful. So this is really miracle stuff. But also this company, I really like Nudi. It's spelled N-U-D-I. Because on their website, for free, they have like a menopause hub. And on there, they've got loads of tips and advice for perimenopause, menopause. And it's all kind of scientifically fact-checked. And it's just for free. So they provide something to help us with the stickers. But they also give lots of free advice, which is brilliant.

13:29Davina McCall: So those are my two.

13:32Michael Douglas: This comes with a little kind of pad as well.

13:33Davina McCall: Yes, it comes with the pad that you wipe off and you can just wash the pad.

13:37Michael Douglas: I'm amazed how easy the glue or whatever it is come off. Yes, so weird, isn't it?

13:41Davina McCall: Because women are getting olive oil and, you know, it's madness.

13:45Michael Douglas: I keep trying it on other things, you know.

13:46Davina McCall: Yes.

13:47Michael Douglas: And I haven't got it to work on some of the other things.

13:49Davina McCall: I don't want to know.

13:51Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah. So the idea of this podcast, really, we've got to say at the beginning, is that we want to try and share some of the things, some of the experiences that we have in our lives, whether it's a movie or a book or a restaurant or even an idea, a bit of philosophy or something like that. So we kind of taglined it, the TripAdvisor for your life, really. So what we're trying to do is share just interesting, loving things that might benefit your life in some way, just in case you wondered what the context is.

14:15Davina McCall: And we don't make any money from it. So sometimes people send us things and if we like it, we talk about it. But if we don't like it, we don't slag it off. Life is too short to be mean about things. We only talk about things we like. We will never say, oh, don't get this. It's not very nice. What's the point? It's much nicer to be nice about something. And we don't get paid. We don't get paid to talk about anything. And if we do recommend something by a company that we are, I mean, I'm sponsored by a couple of businesses that you all know about, I'm sure. But if we do talk about it, I will say I am sponsored by this business, but none of them pay me to talk about stuff on this podcast.

15:02Davina McCall: But I will only talk about something that we really both believe in.

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17:01Michael Douglas: So on the subject of things like this that benefit your health and well-being and stuff like that, a friend of mine has launched a toothpaste recently. Now, he's in the business of launching products and brands and stuff like that. So, anyway, I just saw him on Instagram talking about a new toothpaste that's come out. Now, I don't know how anybody else are kind of obsessed or interested with their teeth, but my teeth are mega important to me. Smile for us. Look at them. As they should be for everybody. We both did Invisalign probably about 10, 15 years ago. I didn't realize the profound effect it was going to have on them.

17:35Davina McCall: That was so good.

17:36Michael Douglas: Yeah, it really was.

17:37Davina McCall: Yeah.

17:37Michael Douglas: I didn't realise how your teeth support your face.

17:39Davina McCall: And we paid to do it.

17:41Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah. We gifted it.

17:43Davina McCall: We weren't.

17:44Michael Douglas: But it changed the shape of my face. I didn't realise that your teeth support all your cheeks and your mouth and everything. It changed the way I looked. You've got even better looking. Yeah, well, you know. You said that, not me. I'm sorry.

17:57Davina McCall: I'll stop.

17:59Michael Douglas: So anyway, slightly obsessed with my teeth. I've got an implant in here. I had a crown done not long ago. And I could feel about a year ago my mouth deteriorating in some way. You know, like I could feel a significant change. I'm 53 now. Yeah, I can't believe it, right? So I've been getting a nudge from my conscience to go to the dentist since about October last year. Anyway, I finally went, and my teeth are not in good shape, it seems. Although they had been for a long time. It's like falling apart. So I'm going to have a couple of little fill-ins done, but I'm receding on the right-hand side.

18:33Michael Douglas: He said, you are grinding your teeth, but heavily on the right-hand side, not the left-hand side. In your sleep, you're completely unaware of it. But as it's moving the teeth, the gum is recessing. So are they sensitive? And I'm like, Jesus, are they? You know, just these ones in particular. And then I ended up with what we call a TMJ. Has anyone had a TMJ? Yeah, a bloody nightmare, isn't it? So my jaw locked shut after the last dental appointment, and I couldn't open it more than a sense of it.

19:01Davina McCall: No snogging?

19:02Michael Douglas: Yeah, well, it was just restrictive snogging.

19:05Davina McCall: Restricted snogging.

19:08Michael Douglas: You know.

19:10Davina McCall: Thank God my kids aren't here.

19:11Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah, I know.

19:13Davina McCall: I was on the internet.

19:15Michael Douglas: So anyway, you know, I've become slightly more obsessed with my teeth, so I'm going to get some work done a lot. Anyway, this toothpaste has come about, and they said, look, it's a brand-new sensitive toothpaste, toothpaste-sensitive teeth. I don't know if you know this or not, but the technology for sensitive toothpaste has been around for over 30 years. hasn't evolved at all.

19:32Davina McCall: Yeah, there's been no new toothpaste. There hasn't, has there?

19:35Michael Douglas: No, no, not for a very long time. And all the patents have run out on sensitive materials for toothpaste. So any new toothpaste, sensitive toothpaste, are using 30 to 40 years old technology. Anyway, this one's got a brand new type of sensitive tooth technology. It's been designed by a bone graft expert called Niall. And this is it. It's called Olzen. Has anyone heard of it yet? No. No, I'm not paid to say this or anything like that. I acquired this because I was interested in it. But there's a brand new material in this, and I'm going to show you it here. So Dr. Nile, he's called, is a facial reconstruction surgeon.

20:10Michael Douglas: So he's interested in materials that can help you rebuild bone in your cheekbones, in your jaws, and around your teeth. And his brother, or his friend, I think it was, is an artist. And the artist works with this material called aerograph. I'm going to show you. Oh, my God, what?

20:24Davina McCall: In his art?

20:25Michael Douglas: Yeah, in his art.

20:26Davina McCall: Oh, my God, that's so weird.

20:35Michael Douglas: This is the lightest solid material on Earth. I'm going to give it to you. So NASA used it to apparently capture space dust when they take it out in the air.

20:48Davina McCall: That's so weird. So mad, isn't it?

20:50Michael Douglas: It's the lightest solid material on Earth. You can barely feel it in your hands. So his brother using this, he decided that he would take some of the materials they use to build bone in the jaws and in the face and mix it with this material and see if you could actually rebuild new tooth type in animal. So it's an incredibly porous material. So when it goes on porous and sensitive teeth, it gets absorbed into the tooth itself.

21:14Davina McCall: Wow.

21:15Michael Douglas: It starts to rebuild. But normal sensitive toothpastes take about two weeks to really work. So you have to brush your teeth with them a lot for them to work. This stuff embeds into the broken enamel immediately and starts to give you sensitive tooth relief. It's quite mad, that, isn't it? So anyway...

21:31Davina McCall: I'll just say, that is amazing. Yeah, I know.

21:33Michael Douglas: I've just learned all of that like five minutes ago before I came on. I was like, let's go read of the press release.

21:38Davina McCall: That's so clever.

21:40Michael Douglas: So these are the two flavors they've got. It's quite expensive. It's£10, but I've been brushing my teeth through this the last five days. It's made a mega difference. But the main ingredient, the main thing they've got is this, which is a little gel. They do a mint one or a flavorless one that you can just put directly on the sensitive tooth and it will immediately block the sensitivity. You can eat an ice cream or eat a hot drink or anything like that. That's good, isn't it? No, that's so good. Yeah, yeah. So it's available at Boots.

22:05Davina McCall: No, because I'm sure loads of us have got like a spot on our teeth that's mega sensitive. You know, when you bite an apple or something.

22:13Michael Douglas: Who has got sensitive teeth? Me. Oh, thanks. Thank you. I didn't feel so weird. Yeah, yeah. Well, the other thing that's quite interesting is the information is that But obviously as you start to produce less estrogen, things start to dry up. And one of the things that dries up... What?

22:31Davina McCall: Nothing.

22:33Michael Douglas: One of the things that dries up is your mouth. In the same way that other bits dry up. But it's actually the sliver in your mouth that protect it from bacteria and acid that breaks down the enamel. So you are far more likely as you get older to have more sensitive teeth. So who's got sensitive teeth? Okay.

22:52Davina McCall: Oh, well done. You're going to give some away?

22:54Michael Douglas: Yeah, yeah, why don't I give you?

22:55Davina McCall: Oh, mega. Well done, Michael.

22:57Michael Douglas: That's all right. And let's give it to you as well. There you go. Give that a whirl and see how you get on. But I'm delighted about... That's fascinating. The thing I love about that story, really, is that you've taken a scientist, you know, doctor, medical doctor, and he's combined his information and skill and talent with an artist to produce a brand new invention.

23:17Davina McCall: Yeah, that's brilliant, isn't it?

23:18Michael Douglas: Now, what I really want to recommend off the back of this is the idea, if you've got an idea inside you, like something that you think might work, but it seems a bit absurd, that there might be some kind of artistic idea out there and some scientific knowledge, then if your conscience gives you a little nudge to say, what would happen if I did this? Would it do that? Because all new inventions, all of them, come from stepping into the unknown. Like if you step into the known, everything's already there. It's a very safe place to be. But stepping out of that safe place into a slightly chaotic place is where all new inventions come from.

24:00Michael Douglas: So that's what I really want to recommend is science and art mixed together with the human experience is what brings about new things. And that's really the stuff that's called will heal the world. Somebody said recently that the interesting thing about history is it helps us understand how to solve the problems that we once had. History doesn't necessarily help you solve the problems in the future. That requires new ideas. And those new ideas come from everybody. So, boosh. Boosh.

24:30Davina McCall: Have a think about that. That is so brilliant.

24:32Michael Douglas: Good, thank you. But well done, Lieslott. I think it's a great idea.

24:36Davina McCall: Can I just say something? That's empty, by the way.

24:38Michael Douglas: Michael. Yeah.

24:41Davina McCall: You constantly blow my mind. You do? Yeah, great. I think you're amazing. Okay, we're all at a festival. and I want to give you a festival tip. If you're going to any other festivals or you're going camping anywhere or you're going on holiday or you're going to a wedding and it might be late and it might be noisy and you think, oh God, I'm not going to get any sleep. And we all know how precious sleep is. I mean, I really, really need my sleep or I'm just no use to anybody. But I've got a little festival kit for you here. Oh, okay, yeah. So, Loop. I don't know if you guys have heard of Loop. You guys know Loop, right?

25:19Davina McCall: They are a type of earplug. They come in all different sorts of sizes and types. You've got different size earbuds to put on the end so they can fit in your ear. They work brilliantly at blocking out sound, but they've also got noise-cancelling Loop headphones. Now, they are quite spenny, but you can keep them. I would love you to look that up for me. I can't get any Wi-Fi on my iPad. But they are brilliant. They're small. They've got this case. They come in loads of different colours. So if you are going with your sister or a partner or your kids, everybody can have a different coloured pair of loops.

26:03Davina McCall: Never share your...

26:09Davina McCall: Oh, my God, what are they called again? Plugs, plugs.

26:13Michael Douglas: Or ear buns or air pods or whatever.

26:14Davina McCall: God. Thank you. Menopause, menopause. Earplugs. Never share them. It's not good for your ears. And you can sometimes get Bell's palsy if you share earplugs. So don't do that. But did you find out how much they were?

26:31Michael Douglas: No, it's still loading.

26:33Davina McCall: So we, unfortunately, we can't get Wi-Fi. We had all of this written down somewhere. But don't worry. You could go and, like, access. Just go and have a look and see how much they are. Now, what I do remember when I looked this up earlier is that Loop also make a face mask, a sleep, something for you to sleep in, which blocks out all the sunlight. But I seem to remember that it was quite expensive. It was something like 29 or even maybe 39 pounds on the Loop website. And we use these when we go to all of our festivals. Look at you and me. We've changed. We've changed. And since our kids have grown up, we don't know what's happened.

27:11Davina McCall: We've gone absolutely bonkers. I went to Glastonbury last year. It was absolutely brilliant. So this is an amazing sleep mask. And you cannot see anything. It is complete darkness. So normally you can kind of see a little bit of light through somewhere or you've got a little bit of light somewhere around the nose. Nothing. If you are taking a flight, take this. You can wash it. It is an absolute game changer. They're really comfortable. You might wake up with interesting hair, but that is the only downfall. downfall. But this is the absolute, and this is 18 quid. And I think even on Amazon, you can get them for 13 quid.

27:50Davina McCall: So this is like the no-nonsense kit for blocking out everything if you're staying away from home. Or even if you're at home and you live somewhere a bit noisy or a bit distracting, this will cut you off from the entire world or your partner. I don't need it, obviously.

28:10Michael Douglas: Yeah, you don't, you don't. I've come up with a little festival routine for how not to feel too rough the following day.

28:18Davina McCall: Oh, great.

28:19Michael Douglas: To go with that. To go with that, really. So just before you go to bed, if you're sleeping in a tent or, you know, you've had a heavy night on the dance floor, as I've gone for a black-colored lemsip just before I go to bed.

28:33Davina McCall: What, a medicinal one?

28:35Michael Douglas: Yeah, a medicinal lemsip before I go to bed. Maybe Peter had been out raving to the root garden.

28:39Davina McCall: What, as a hangover cure?

28:41Michael Douglas: Yeah, as a hangover cure.

28:42Davina McCall: Oh, my God, that's so funny. And we got in.

28:43Michael Douglas: He said, have you got, like, a ginger tea or whatever?

28:45Davina McCall: I wonder what you were doing.

28:46Michael Douglas: Yeah, he said, have you got ginger tea or, you know, chamomile? I was like, no, I've got a blackcurrant Lemsip. And he was like, bloody hell, let's do that. You know, so we had two melatonins that we got from America.

28:56Davina McCall: No, I've got to talk to you about that in a minute. I've got something to recommend. Have you? Oh, yeah, yeah, okay.

29:00Michael Douglas: So two melatonins, blackcurrant Lemsip, earplugs, eye mask, eight hours, bang. It's like nothing's happened.

29:07Davina McCall: Ready for dancing the next day?

29:09Michael Douglas: There's a whistle the following day. I was like, floddy, LLM sip is a game changer. So have you looked at a little...

29:15Davina McCall: I've got to talk to you quickly about the melatonin. Yeah, yeah. Very, very quickly. So, you know, the Americans sell melatonin in their chemists. And it is lots of people use it or they get it. They fly it over from America because it's amazing to go to sleep. But actually, it mucks about with your circadian rhythm. And it's not a good idea to do that. That really, we should wake up with dawn and go to sleep with dusk. but this is what our body wants to do. And usually at the same time every day is a good idea to try to go to sleep. And what happens is the melatonin sort of mucks about with your natural circadian rhythm.

29:50Davina McCall: But this is a company called 8 Hours. And DJ Fat Tony turned me on to these guys because he, I don't know if you know Fat Tony, he's an amazing DJ. Check him out on SoundCloud. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he said, don't use melatonin. This company are really good. 8 Hours, they're called. and instead of having something that messes about that you can buy this over the counter it's not prescription but it's got things like magnesium in it l-theanine which is in fact green tea it's got chamomile in it it's got cherry extract it's all natural but it really does put you in a lovely calm state before you go to sleep so about 40 minutes before you go to sleep Two of these, not paid by this company.

30:35Davina McCall: I bought this, but they have helped me a lot, and it's better than taking melatonin.

30:40Michael Douglas: Yeah, very good. Oh, we've got a clap there.

30:44Davina McCall: Yeah.

30:45Michael Douglas: Well done. Eight hours. Yeah, very good. Yes. And they brought out a few other things as well. Eight hours, I think, haven't they? So I'm about to do a podcast with a friend of mine called Dr. Jeff Foster. I don't know if anybody's heard of him or not, but he's a testosterone specialist. And as I'm getting older, I can feel that my body is starting to deteriorate and collapse on me slightly. And I think having been married to you and been with you now for a number of years and listened to all the brilliant work that you've done on the menopause and helping women understand the changes that take place in their bodies and how to combat that or deal with it, I thought it would be interesting for me to have a little deep dive into what happens to men's bodies as they get older and what happens is the lack of testosterone in the body and how that impacts that.

31:29Michael Douglas: So I was introduced to Jeff through you. I took a blood test and it turned out my testosterone was on the kind of low end of things, you know, and I could sense that, you know, with just the general motivation, the desire to work, want to exercise. Well, you know, it's so interesting why you just can't tell yourself to do something and then do it. You find that? It's like, I should go to the gym today, but I'm not going to bother. You know, like, no, go. Yeah, I don't want to. Oh, I'd be good for you. Yeah, I know it will, but can't be arsed. It's like this is endless conversation with myself.

31:59Michael Douglas: Why can't you just do the thing you want to do? And I realized testosterone is a little bit a part of how you become motivated, you know. So Jeff's asked me to go on his podcast. So I think I'm going to go on it in a week's time, talk a little bit about my experience, what it's like to be a kind of small, skinny northern man, you know, because one of the things I've noticed about myself really as I've got older is that I am a man and I have to live in a kind of masculine environment in a way while not occupying any of the masculine traits that lots of men do occupy. You know, I've not got any height.

32:33Michael Douglas: I've not particularly got any muscle. I've not got any, like, physical power.

32:37Davina McCall: Can I say something? Yeah.

32:38Michael Douglas: You've got the biggest heart I have ever seen.

32:42Davina McCall: No, you have.

32:43Michael Douglas: Yeah, thank you.

32:44Davina McCall: I really mean that.

32:46Michael Douglas: So what I've done with my life, I didn't realise this till the last few years. if I've spent my life in the service of women, really, which has been a beautiful thing for me to do, really, which is to occupy a feminine space, really, as this kind of little fella, you know. And then I realised that all the friends I've got, like a lot of the friends I've got are like six foot seven, you know. That's true. Yeah, I got this brilliant friend called Simon, you know. He's a mega man, you know, like he's like, he's just all man, you know. But sometimes when I'm out with him, we're nightclubbing or something like that, I'm like dancing away.

33:20Michael Douglas: I could see him go like, where's Mikey? And I'm like, I'm here. And he was like, oh, yeah, there you are. I realized that I seem to protect myself by making friends with these big people, you know, because somehow I think if I'm in a room and I think if shit goes down in here, I'm a dead man. Where's the biggest guy in the room? You know, Simon, come here. So I've got like five or six very, very tall friends, and I seem to have done this subconsciously, but I think I understand why now. Anyway, I've become more and more interested in my health and then the health of other men because there's something about wanting to make the world a better place requires somehow making men better.

34:01Michael Douglas: You know, women are doing a fantastic job amongst themselves of creating more love and more harmony and families and connection and all that kind of stuff. Men are very reserved, really. So I decided I would try and alter that a little bit by standing as a representation of what a good man is. You know, trying to be a good dad, a good husband.

34:19Davina McCall: You are that, Michael.

34:21Michael Douglas: Hairstylist, you know, all of that. You are that. So Jeff offered to send me his book, and I thought, great, I'll have a little read of this and try and understand a little bit more about my own chemistry. So this is about what testosterone does to your body, how it works in a man, and then what happens when it stops floating around. I'm getting my blood test next week. I feel like I'm going to be low. I think low is about under 15. I feel like I'm about 13 at the moment, you know,

34:46Davina McCall: I love the fact that you kind of know. Yeah, I kind of know. I can feel it.

34:53Michael Douglas: But Jeff's done a brilliant job of raising awareness around this. And I think it's doing a great job of bringing good men to the fore. To talk about some of the issues that have. Russell Cain is also... I don't know if you're familiar with Russell Cain, the comedian. He did Jeff's podcast and he's got some brilliant things to say.

35:09Davina McCall: Russell Cain's a good person to follow.

35:11Michael Douglas: Yeah, he really is. of understanding who he is and what he's trying to do as a comedian in order to stand as a good representation of what a good man is.

35:19Davina McCall: We need to hurry up if we're going to talk about the...

35:21Michael Douglas: Oh, yeah. Okay, okay. So anyway, it's called Optimal and I think it's just out now. It's just come out now. And Jeff's podcast, which I can't remember what it is, but we'll put it on this podcast at some...

35:31Davina McCall: Well, if you follow us on Making the Cut podcast

35:34Michael Douglas: on Instagram, we'll put all the recommendations

35:37Davina McCall: on there and links to things.

35:40Michael Douglas: Yeah. And a little blurb on the back says, testosterone is not simply about muscle and libido. It's about health, confidence and living life to the fullest. We're trying to do that.

35:49Davina McCall: And also, when we're all sorting out our hormones and getting to a good place, sometimes it's hard because, you know, men can feel a bit left behind. It's like, who's out there helping them? And Jeff and you, you know, it's amazing. I've got one very, very quick record. Yeah, great, great. This is our gold star thing that we have sold more of these than any other product ever. We found this completely by mistake. It's called Desireless Chopper. I'm quickly going to go through it because we haven't got time. But you put this in here. You put the lid on. Celeriac. Swede. The toughest things ever.

36:27Davina McCall: Carrots. You go like this. And it is annihilated. It is this big. three pulls, no plug, hand, it's so good. And this is there, that's all I'm saying. The xylos chopper, get one.

36:46Michael Douglas: It's also a little exercise routine. Swap arms as you do it.

36:51Davina McCall: When I had my brain tumour, I was very, very, very frightened the night before the operation. And I felt insane. Why am I having brain surgery if I don't think I have any symptoms? I realize now that I did have symptoms. But at the time, I didn't think I did. And he was going to cut my head from here to here, peel my forehead forwards and go through the two halves of my brain to the center of my brain. And I was frightened I wasn't going to make it. And he took me to the hospital at night. We recorded this video. We posted it the next day when I was on the operating table. But then Michael left me, but he said, I've made you a playlist.

37:30Davina McCall: And this playlist has kept me going. for the last year and a half. And we listen to it three or four times a week. And it is the most brilliant thing ever. It's about 25 minutes long.

37:43Michael Douglas: Yeah, we put one more song in it. So it's probably about 38 minutes long now. But there was some music that I was listening to. I've rather been guided by music as a kind of philosophy on life. When you hear songs that have got words in them that really speak to you and you think, OK, I'm going to have to listen to that song again. And then you realise there's something truthful in the words that the artist has decided to share with the world. And that's what happened, really, through listening to these three or four songs. So we decided to stitch them together.

38:10Davina McCall: Well, not we. You did that. Yeah, OK. That was amazing.

38:12Michael Douglas: I see it as a we thing now. But I stitched these songs together in Spotify. And you can go and look for this. It's called Sleep My Love. And it's a little playlist.

38:21Davina McCall: It's by Michael Douglas. So there are a few Sleep My Loves. But this is Sleep My Love by Michael Douglas in Spotify.

38:28Michael Douglas: And we're going to play a song from that playlist. But the idea of it really is that the beginning of the playlist, there's a little song called Moon Music, and there's a little problem that you're trying to live your life, but you keep getting knocked back, you know, and you're looking for some help and some support. The next song is Ram Dass Meditation called I Am Loving Awareness. It's an amazing, amazing, beautiful, beautiful meditation song, 10 minutes long. After that is one called Nature, which is a little bit about the nature that you are in conjunction with all the nature that everything else is, that it's not you and everything else.

38:59Michael Douglas: There's only one thing.

39:00Davina McCall: We're all one thing. We're connected.

39:03Michael Douglas: And then there's a song called Sit Around the Fire, Mal Ram Dass. We're going to play that. That's what we're going to play now. In a minute. And then it finishes with a song called One World, which is just about love. Because in the end, that is all we want. It's just love. We think we want stuff, and we think we want all sorts of... What we want is love. We want access to a type of love. That is it. That's all we want to experience, really, in the end. So, can we fire away, sit around the fire? You all take a nice, big, deep breath. You can close your eyes if you like. We're going to play this out.

39:29Davina McCall: And I do this. I know. I mean, who am I? Honestly, I used to present Big Brother, and now I've turned into the girl that does this when I'm listening to Sit Around the Fire, but just bear with us. But it's lovely. And if you close your eyes and just listen to the words and enjoy. You met each of us. There once was fire.

39:55But some of us, there seem as if there are only ashes now. But when we dig in the ashes, we find one ember. And very gently we found that ember. Lowering. It gets brighter.

40:21And from that ember we rebuild the fire.

40:25Davina McCall: Thank you.

40:26Michael Douglas: Thank you.

40:28Davina McCall: Thank you.

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