Comedian and Actor: Tom Davis

0:00Mo Gilligan: Yes, what's good people? Mo Gilligan here and right now you're listening to my podcast, Beginning, Middle and End. Now my guest this week started on building sites and then went on to create and start in some of the most memorable sitcoms of recent years, like the BAFTA award-winning Murden Successful and King Gary. Now his unique comedic voice and performances reflect where he is from, South London, whether that's on a sketch show, primetime television, or the huge Hollywood films like Wonka. That's right. Please welcome to the podcast, the one and only Tom Davis. I started out as a stand-up and I think loads of people slept on that a bit.

0:42I think people thought I was an actor. I remember. I remember doing your gig.

0:47Mo Gilligan: Done one of my first shows, bro. Cracking up comedy. I'll never forget it, man. That's when, by the way, I knew I was watching you. I was like, This guy's got something different from anyone else I've ever seen. I remember you comparing, I think, up the creek. Christmas. Maybe around Christmas. And it was like the hardest crowd. There was a guy called, what was his name? Oh, there was a guy in the front who used to come every year. Bro. They were like builders or something like this. And I was like, for me, this is kind of a home crowd. Yeah. But I'm an ex-scaffolder. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you were like, me and you were chatting.

1:19And I was like, God, Mo seems like proper calm about this. but that audience is there's a lot of cocaine going around in that room there's a lot of guys who look like they're literally like let's get some comedy and then let's go and have a nice fight and then we're going to go meet a girl like it's like it felt like and you went out and it was like somehow the room just changed like into a really chilled fun vibe and I was like oh okay this is going to be a lot better and that's when you watch someone and you're like you have conviction going oh that they're going to be fucking they're going to smash it at some point but yeah i think for so people like i'd had all that and then i'd become an act you know i got picked up as an actor and i took a little while off stand up and a lot of people didn't know that that's where my that's where i started and then so when i was going out on tour people are oh what you just turn into stand-up now like yeah and i was like no no this is where it began this is the this is what got me from building site to you know acting that was the thing it wasn't like someone walk past the building one star one day and I was doing impressions of O 'Jay the Giant and I went how about you come and do some uh yeah I could imagine it must be quite hard when you find

2:30Mo Gilligan: success in the other thing yeah and people don't like correlate that you're like no I was actually successful in this thing yeah yeah do you know what I mean and also you so I put so much pressure on that show being like underdog being like saying when people watch it would go oh actually he's good and and the thing i think like anything in life i think when you've me and you played a lot of similar sort of gigs when you're coming up those small rooms in front of hardly anyone or that might be a little bit raucous or like up the creek was like my favorite gig it was like i adored that and to be fair it was one of the only places it used to book me but um but it was it was raucous back then you do like a thursday night yeah and it'd be like new acts when the crowd would be they wouldn't give you anything if you didn't have anything so that was so so but that was almost my schooling so when i came into back to it i was like no i have this education already it's like playing golf if you play golf at seven or eight and you play until you're 12 13 it doesn't matter if you don't play until you're 35 you go back to it and you remember exactly the tempo the swing because you've had that formative education and that's how i look at stand up yeah yeah so you started off because you're from south london as well yeah well yeah croydon sutton way yeah okay yeah yeah well it's still south really yeah yeah because croydon is always contentious is it south is it not it's like dagganum east london or is it in essex yeah yeah it's a weird place because i don't think there's anyone in surrey who'd want to like claim croydon it's the only place that gentrification so you seem to go no we're not going anywhere near that place.

4:11And then Sutton's very similar in a sense.

4:14Mo Gilligan: Because you was, I always knew, because I knew you worked on, you was a scaffolder, you mentioned this a lot as well. Your early life, growing up in like, you know, like South London, Croydon slash Surrey and stuff, having a job as a trade job. Yeah. I always have a big respect for trade jobs. I think DIY is a scam. I'll always say this. I feel like it's meant to make you think you can do it. so you fuck up your own house to get someone to do the job properly. But I also think that DIY is like one of my bugbears. Yeah. Like I always think about how just how the economy works and how it is better.

4:50There's stuff you can do but there's also stuff that when you have a bit of expertise. Yeah. By the way, I need to say I was a labourer. I was never like... I remember when I first did like Sunday brunch or something. What's the difference of labouring? Because like I was skillless. I was good at carrying shit. I was strong.

5:07Mo Gilligan: Oh, so labourers are like, are they like assisting the builders in a way? Yeah, so you know like when you hear people like who climb Everest and you'll hear about the champions, but no one ever mentions a donkey carrying shit. Oh, okay. Because when I hear trade job, when you say you're a labourer, I just think you're just putting down the slabs on the street and mixing the cement. Yeah, that's what I was doing. I was doing the mixing cement, carrying bricks. So I did scaffolding. I did like hog carrying. I did a lot of carrying. Yeah, yeah. but and then I tried to get my ticket for scaffolding I eventually got it when I was like 28 what's this so that's your qualifications as a scaffolder really I went up like a record you used to go up to Nottingham and you go and get your ticket your qualification so I went a record amount of times to get it and I was I didn't know this yeah so I'm so naive I just thought you just put up the poles and no there's I thought it was like Lego but I don't like duplex just throwing it down yeah i didn't know this 400 foot in the air and just wobbling about look mosaic again no no it's like uh yeah it's there's a there's an education there's a science to it in a sense so i went up quite a few times and fell but i was uh it was just i suppose one of those things it was a long list of things that i'd failed at i was like but at school i was like i never had any that's all i thought all my true thing was all i ever wanted to do is work on the dust work on the bins I used to say to my dad that feels like a job I'd enjoy I used to see you know when the bin men come up and they're all laughing and joking someone's hanging off the back of the truck I think fuck that that would be it does look like good vibes though yeah yeah at 6 in the morning it's just like vibes man and they're in a pub by like 1 in the afternoon and then my dad spoke to someone and said my boy's interested in working on the dust so I went and met this guy who ran his gang on the dust and I sort of I was like, oh, you know, I was really excited, really bang up for it, like full of energy.

7:06You know, you could take this route. I've been looking into it and that. The guy's just looking at me going, mm-hmm. Okay. And about a week later, I got a call saying, no, I don't think it's for you, mate. I think you do everyone's head in a bit. You're a bit too eager. Yeah, or too eager. But that or a trade was the thing. I tried other things, but there were the things where I was like, I used to love working on a building site. It gave me every, like, you know, when you talk about what I bring now to what I do was was taught through hard work and just like I look at the thing that through stand-up or writing or whatever else like I always think if you turn up early and and put in a shift and work hard and not get discouraged you know and keep on going that's the thing that they're the things that natural talent and when you know when I mean you you started i'd look at some acts and people had great education and been to the best universities and might you know be a little bit more educated but i was like the only way i can potentially match this thing is through hard work it's getting my head down and grafting best i can and that is the thing that's to this day and that's like you know as a dad now that's what that's that's the biggest lesson i want to try and pass down to my daughter it's like you have we have to work hardies you know yeah yeah there's no way there's no way around that do you do you

8:23Mo Gilligan: find that with like having a job and starting because i feel like the job you have before your career will really define your career and how you manage people and situations yeah so with you you know working because you work did you work on a market stall as well i worked selling t-shirts at festivals oh really yeah oh wow that was my that was what i really was aiming for the starts yeah so uh so we we i have one t-shirt design that really worked and that was a t-shirt i don't know if i can say it on here you can bleep it out that just said cunt yeah it just was that the worst word and we were like trying all these funny designs like i facebook your mom or whatever and uh and then one day we were just drunk and i turned around and said we should just have a t-shirt that just says cunt yeah and uh we all laughed and we made it and then we went up to scotland and we sold out.

9:16We were at a thing at the time called Rockness, which is Fatboy Slim's festival. Okay. And we were at a shabby old tent that we just sold T-shirts out of and from there we had just great summers. So I'd work on the site, scaffolding or whatever. And then for the summer I'd go, right, I'm going to go and try and just have some fun, go to festivals and make... Basically the idea was just go festivals and not have to pay, try and make a bit of money. and yeah those t-shirts did really really well for us but I worked earlier like my like dad's good mate used to have like a store at festivals sorry store like he had one at Camden Market he had one at what was the other market he had a couple I used to do Camden a lot with him and that was quite a weird thing because when you come from somewhere like south all of a sudden you're in Camden and you become and you're working like selling leather jackets and t-shirts and whatever you're surrounded by people who you really interact with people you know punks and whatever else is very much like that camden yeah yeah like an eclectic crowd where you're like oh okay this is like i've never in any other social situation probably ever talked to this person but it's good to always i think in life to you know widen your perspective across like social problems yeah it's a fun thing yeah that's mad and i think it's like so what you're

10:39Mo Gilligan: saying in terms of like you worked on a building site but then you've also done things like well you know you're selling t-shirts and it just it sets you up so much for your career later on in life because you know how to talk to people one you get different personalities yeah um you're able to kind of see a situation where you're like okay cool let me just bring everyone together in i can see you know this person might not be talking to that person or yeah this person's a bit upset or they're a bit left out um it's the same with i think with retail like retail taught me so much so by the time like i got into like what my career was and i guess it's not something you learn straight away no but i think once you've had a real job and i don't want to discourage anyone else who doesn't feel like they've got a real job but those jobs where you know you've got to work yourself up yeah do you know i mean you go from sales assistant to now you work in the stock room and that's the manager area manager retail taught me that so much in a way where i said ah okay i see i see that this person that you know we get the older person that would work in the shop but they're older than the manager yeah yeah so already you're like okay how's this gonna work out when you're telling him he's late you're 25 and he's like 45 but he's worked for the company for 25 30 years being stepped over he's like yeah yeah yeah you had a channel you you done the channel for blaps pilots as well yeah how how were they for you because i feel like now we have you know social media that really helps you know people emerge and get found and be seen but this was i feel like at a time where like you had to go into four.

12:31Mo Gilligan: You had to, I want to say that play the game. Do you know what I mean? A little bit. And what I mean by play the game is that you got to go in and do this thing and someone works and they're like, yeah, I think you're great, man. Yeah. And then they leave. Yeah. But that's still what happens now. That happens like, you know, whatever I am is 30. The way that commissioning, commissioning is like, it's a tough thing for a commissioner. One of the hardest things I think when you're making shows at any level is that. It's like being a football manager, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it is. Yeah, yeah.

13:01You can be the best player on the team. And then all of a sudden, you know, and Jose Mourinho's manager and then Pep takes over or Arteta comes in and he's got a completely different school of thought. Yeah. And you're like, oh, shit, you're not using like a setback anymore. And I think the thing with like, with something like when we did a thing, like warm-up guy, I was very fortunate. There's a guy called Shane Allen who'd seen me. Big up Shane, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good guy, man. And one of the good, and like, I really wouldn't have a career if it wouldn't be for him seeing me and like do a little bit in something and from there like he was like right let's give what have you got for me and I'd done a bit of studio warm-up and I was like I think there's a funny world within these guys who do studio warm-up who's so close to the thing like you know you've you know to be fair you had you had KG do quite a few of yours didn't you yeah I had a bunch because I don't I know a lot of comics but yours was different because you you had you're a good guy and you had good guys that you knew I did them for shows which weren't Mo who's got that persona Studio Warmbies is very hard

14:05Mo Gilligan: and if you're doing it for more of an entertainment show, I did one for Loose Women and I wasn't really you've seen my stand up, it wasn't necessarily made for Loose Women but it was like I was just obsessed with that thing of when everyone's ready to go and you're halfway through a joke and then your microphone phone goes dead and I thought you know so we did we did that and that was like and then Shane literally left channel four and went to BBC but but that is also the story of like so many different things like Eleanor sitting in there now and like you and Eleanor are tired and but me and Eleanor years and years ago this is I don't know man 13 years maybe we wrote a thing for Sky Sky were doing a whole selection of these different stories like shorts about all set around Clapham and we wrote one and it was like really really well reviewed across the board it was like about this couple my character was like coming out of weight was in Weight Watchers and she was like you know they were like sort of on the fringes of like low-level organized crime and my mate gets out of prison and we decided to kidnap Frank Lampard um and it did really well it was really rated well it was reviewed well everyone quite we were kind of like writing the series and everyone was like this is definitely going to series and then just for some unknown reason and just boom, one day it's like, oh no, no, that's not happening.

15:26And you put all your hopes on that thing and you're like, oh yeah. And what you learn, time teaches you is that you can't have one thing. You can't be going into battle with like, oh, this is the one idea that's going to work. For me, at any one time, I'm working on four or five different things. Because it's like, if that goes, I don't want to be in a situation where I've got to then go back to a drawing board. I'd rather have a, like, And my brain weirdly works in quite a way, I think, if I've got a few different things going on, scripted things at one time, it's like, I can't pick this up. Today I fancy being writing this, tomorrow I can write that.

16:02I think that's a good way of always making sure that you've got a few plates spinning.

16:08Mo Gilligan: What led you into getting into more of the scripted space? Because I feel like there is a lot of stand-up comics out there, and we kind of know how to write for ourself. but very early on writing for scripted is a different level of writing in a sense of you have to write obviously you know how however you write but it's writing one sometimes you're an experience or an idea um how was it for you when you first like started writing because you're talking about some of those knockbacks but like in terms of where you just you know get on your laptop and just start bringing out ideas well I should say I didn't even have a laptop until I think I did King Gary so I'd done Murder and Successful and Action Team without even I used to write on my phone I used to write scripts on my phone and then Eleanor would write them up into a script I haven't seen it I haven't seen it yeah but like my thing was like that was just how I naturally like so we were Action Team or Murder and Successful I was always like but my thing was it was just like I found the stand up but I was at a time in my career where stand-up was, I don't know if you, like, they found it really hard to play.

17:20Stand-up has changed a lot. You're a very big part of that. Like, stand-up, like, has changed across the landscape. You're a massive, massive part of how UK stand-up has changed in my time. And me and you have been probably going about a similar amount of time, but when I started out, you'd go out, you'd be on, and there'd be, you'd have the old guard, which would, yeah, but a lot of the people coming through, they were very generic and there's nothing against them because you know it's tough to get in front but there wasn't like you didn't look around and go you know okay you know it was just a very like and i didn't fit that mold at the time i don't think they would go to edinburgh yeah i did edinburgh and hated it yeah edinburgh was the first time in my life where i was like socially as a social social mobility thing where i'll go oh shit i'm not from the same world as these people i couldn't get my head around how i don't know if you would assume you were the same but like I had to take a month off of having to turn around to your foreman and go I'm going to take August off which is famously one of the busiest months the summer is not a time to be taking time off from building site it's like what?

18:24where are you doing? I'm going to go to Edinburgh, what the fuck are you talking about? where are you going up there? because it's called Edinburgh Festival it just sounds like you're going to Glastonbury for a month and he's like what are you doing up there? I was like I'm going to chase my dream and be a stand up he's like honey we should be a fucking stand up back here and and i've been doing stand up so i've been like working all down site and then i go and do a gig and i might go to manchester that night and get a coach back in the night coach back or train early in the morning anyway so i went to edinburgh and i felt like oh shit this isn't this is and this is what i mean about it changing like in you know over time but at the time i felt like a real outsider there for a long time in stand-up I was like I don't know where I fit within this yeah same um and until you know like until really like now I sort of I think having a kid changes you as a thing of going yeah but I'm like I don't need to fit like I get with the people I get on with I like the people I like sometimes and it's an eclectic mix of different acts and different people but I don't need to have like a massive click around me or a massive group of people around me to you know to warrant why I'm there and I think that I felt like that like such an outsider for that that first I think I went for two two years in a row and I just and I know I got no traction no one was really interested and all the stuff I was doing that seemed to work was was sort of down in London really and and you know a lot of times going up you know auditioning for stuff I didn't get but I was kind of getting enough people seeing that um you know and like I've never I've never had to this day like any acting coaching or anything it was just like i always just felt like oh actually this is this feels something i feel a bit more suited at in playing sort of you know something on screen like a weirdo or whatever or a part and that was the thing i felt like i'm making more i'm picking up more work doing this than i was stand up and i just found

20:24Mo Gilligan: myself getting quite lost within the world it's like i didn't know what my voice was anymore i I was very clear what I was when I started. I knew who I was and when I used to gig with you. I knew I'm from South London. The first thing I needed to do was always let people know that I'm a big, fun, goofy guy. I can buy it if you need me to buy it. But for the most part, I'm a big, silly Labrador. And I knew what my voice, I knew what I was. And then I found myself going, and people, manager at the time was pushing me into a place where I'm like, I don't feel like I'm that thing. I'm not. you know and there's nothing because i think he's a brilliant comic like russell howard i'm not chris ramsey i'm not those guys i don't come from that background and he was trying to make me more that and i'm like that and then like he was like you can't improv like you're one of the best at this but you know at stage you can find a moment and that might be something you've never written but it just comes to you yeah yeah of course i was always like that that's how my word and successful works or whatever and sometimes i was just like i was like what i've got to say exactly what's on the script well i'm dyslexic it's a struggle to read you know i mean i can't remember all this stuff.

21:27That was what I found hard, man.

21:29Mo Gilligan: And I think as well, like during that time, because you had like shows where you could see someone's success. So you could see someone essentially, you know, do some of the competitions and use Muse, laughing horse. So you think you're funny. And then you'd see them go to Edinburgh, almost have a, you know, a standout show. And then before you know it, they're on, you know, 8 out of 10 cats, let's count that. Yeah, yeah. Mock the week. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it'll be live at the Apollo. And then it's a tour. And then you're like, oh, wow. Now they're on a show, but as them, but they're really part of that show.

22:08Mo Gilligan: Like, have I got news for you? Yeah, yeah. But they're a regular on the show. So you could map it out. I'm like, okay, cool. So if I can do that within two years, I can be on live at the Apollo. Yeah. Because you had seen the journey. And I feel like at the time, I felt like with comedy it was that was the pinnacle to follow because you're like well he's just a normal comedian like me and I can do this show and you know you'd see the shows you go on the website and you're like oh he won and he's on there and I've done that I've done all the shows I've done the Amuse Moose the Laughing Horse went to Edinburgh and I remember I went and done did you ever do the 8 out of 10 cats countdown did you ever do the audition one?

22:47Awfully awfully awfully bro I love asking the people Five times.

22:52Mo Gilligan: It was horrible, man. It was awful. Five times I probably did that. I flogged on that, man. How was it for you? I was awful. Like, terrible. And, like, I never had, like... I found that on all panel shows. I found that, like, I just... Even to this day, like, I still find, like... I don't quite know if that ever felt like my sense of humour and what I was really good at. Of course. And, like, there's people where I look at and go, fuck, man, you're so good at it. I need to say as well, like, The thing that I found really disheartening, and like, I used to gig a lot. Me and Eddie Caddy had the same agent, right?

23:28Back then. I used to gig with Eddie a lot, right? And Eddie, even now, but back then you used to watch Eddie, right? And he'd smash nearly every, like, he's so mainstream. He was so like, he just felt, he was so lovable, so brilliant. And then I just sit there and think, if this fucking guy isn't getting picked up for everything, watch out. And he's better than me. he's so ready I've known Eddie for forever I watched Eddie Caddy I remember he did the stunt of the O2 which is an insane thing which now feels like one of the coolest things you could ever do

24:03Mo Gilligan: back then it's like no social media nothing like that Eddie was like he could literally pick this bit up that he's got a bit straight on to any panel show any bit of TV and it's ready to go and if this isn't happening for him like well like he's a great guy like guy to watch is like brilliant in the moment but when he's doing his material he's like locked in this is my these are the beats of this story yeah i'd be like like and so i think it was just an ilk at a time where if you if you just didn't fit for me i i i don't i never took that as like humbred to that because i tried out for nearly every panel show and i fucked it myself i can't turn around and go oh oh, don't pick me up.

24:46I turn up and go, oh, no, they were significantly better than I was. If I saw sort of whoever, like Ed Gamble on it, I'd go.

24:51Mo Gilligan: I didn't even know you had to audition for them. No, no, no. I didn't even know that. But some people are just brilliant at that stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, that is like, you take your hat off, it's like, I say a gamble because I think Ed's like one of the best at doing that. Ed's like a really well, like, he's a brilliant comic, but Ed was one of those people you'd watch and he'd just like, sort of like sit waiting and then bang, he'd hit with a joke. I'd say 150 things and like, none of them would be that, like as good as the, you know. And it's like when you're in the room, so they would film it at Tiger Aspect.

25:25Mo Gilligan: So anyone listening, you imagine going into someone's work where they make television. Everyone there works in TV, commissioners. And it's essentially really their lunch break. Yeah, yeah. That they're just coming in to see. Yeah, there'd always be sandwiches, like a prep platter board. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, so it's their kind of lunch break. I'm just walking going, is sandwiches all right? Yeah. And sometimes you might have, I remember doing it once where Richard Osman was in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So now I'm like, oh, right, if this goes well, I might have to get on his thing still.

25:56Mo Gilligan: It went terrible, man. Terrible, man. But like your middle, right? So let's fast forward from then on. Because, you know, when in terms of your writing and how you're writing, I guess it became stronger because then you got, you know, your show got commissioned, you know, more successful. so I was I had like warm up guy and go on my way and and we'd done this thing Sunshine Simon which is Sky and having really gone my way and there'd been a couple of other pilots that I'd written and I'd been used in other people's things like I was in the back like a couple of other sketch shows and I was getting work but and then a guy called Zai Bennett was working at was at BBC at the time I think he was running BBC 3 maybe and he was kind of like, look, we want to make something with you.

26:45We think that, you know, you... And it was like at that time when me, Andy Bereton and Avril Sperry were talking about murdering... Big that awful, man. Good people's, man. Yeah, man. Big that awful, man. About murdering successful. And it was very like, we'd taken that to Channel 4, to Sky, to ITV and everyone had passed on it. And BBC was like the last port of call. So Andy, for Su... sort of like for Su... to have it might go. so he went look you know can we just shoot something instead of it because they would like to do a read-through I was like this is an improvised show yeah so and we'd done read-throughs before we did one with Mark Wright and it just it didn't really work so we were like let's just ask some favors and we got like James DeFront came in who's like my long-term like collaborator and we go back since we was kids uh it's a very important relationship in my life so he came in and then the four of us sort of developed it and we we pulled some favors and we just shot like 10 minutes and then gave that to zions i was like this is like nothing else i've ever seen before let's take a punt and we had such little money i know like similar to i guess yourself uh and like big nasty weren't like a big budget show we were a small budget show so you when you're making something like that like this but my thing in my back of my mind was like this is it this this here now is my chance to be a lead like that that is this is it this show can't go wrong like i'm not going to get another chance of doing this because otherwise i'm always just going to be playing you know the big goofy mate or the smelly next door neighbor i'm not this this thing has to work so i threw everything i had into i was bunking the train to get there i stopped working on the site so i was like just for everything i had no real money me and my wife now and girlfriend at time we'd lost our flat we'd been went for a tough time but you're like this has to work and i've never worked so hard at anything for that first series to come together to go like this is going to be something and like that moment even now like i think about not that you know i don't want to be like emotional but that moment i remember we did the screening for the jamie lang episode and you have that press screening and the people everyone there is like you're like what the fuck

28:47Mo Gilligan: is this show and when you're trying to explain oh yeah so it's completely improvised the guy turns up and i'm going and everyone's like oh this is going to be a part of stinking shit like getting and you know it went well and you're like oh fuck this i think things might be okay but you know Don't get me wrong, because you're always working hard to better that. But that was a moment there where I'm like, this has to hit different. And I'm not able to be. I know what I think in life and certainly in this business, you need to know your limitations, what you're good at and what you're not. You need to know where you rest, where you sit.

29:21And I could see a lot. To say as well, I look at the generationally, the people around us and me and you come out the same group, really. the people that the standard was high you're looking around at people going oh he's good he's good do you know what I mean and you knew that there's people around as well who might not have been like you know seen yet but you knew that there was talent everywhere do you know what I mean of course um so I was like this this has to hit this has to be the thing this is needs needs to be the thing people go oh shit this guy can improv you know he can act a bit and that was why you know like I you know manifestation or whatever but just hard work was just like this we all worked so hard like Andy, Avril James it was just like a real like coming together of like for everyone they needed that hit

30:11Mo Gilligan: it must have been because I that one with Jamie Lang I've seen that episode and it's so funny because you know like Jamie what I like about him he's He's posh. He comes from money and he don't care. He's unapologetic about it. He doesn't throw it in your face. No. He's not like, yeah, but he's like, yeah, I know I'm posh. I know this. But he's such a nice guy. He'll go with whatever the vibes are. Do you know what I mean? But it was so funny to watch, man. Because he's like, it's like, we're with Jamie. So we're experiencing it with him. Do you know what I mean? That was the whole idea of the thing.

30:48Also that Jamie, it's an interesting thing about society and how it works that you can make a flash judgment on someone.

30:55Mo Gilligan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, man. But do you know what the weird thing with Jamie is that no one wanted him at that time to do it. There was so many people like, I don't get him, he's just a reality guy. And I watched him on Sane and I was like, I think he's really funny. And him and Debra Meadon were the two, where you're like, oh, these two are going to set. Yeah, yeah, I've seen that one still, yeah. And they felt like... They had Chris Kamara on one of them as well. Yeah, he was in series two, yeah. He was a G. That was probably out of everyone, and the one I was most like, sort of like starstruck by.

31:24Because I love, and Chris has become quite a close mate now. And he's, we did all the publicity for that. We did like the, all the press stuff, me and Chris. And Chris was just like, every time we go and do like a bit of press, he'd go, have a beer after, won't we? And then, you know, you're texting the missus. It's like nine o 'clock at night going, I'm out with Chris Kamara. You went at eight o 'clock this morning to do an interview on Freakpress Radio. Why are you out at 12? that's why I don't drink anymore but not Chris Kamara but yeah I'm easily led

31:53Mo Gilligan: did you know that doing that show at the time because I feel like we all know when we're doing something you're like oh this is special yeah like it's not even because you're doing it because you're like oh I know what's going to come out of it because sometimes in our careers we're like if this goes right yeah but it's like when I remember when I see because I think it was around the same sort of time as you and Big Nasty I think you you were the year after us for the BAFTA, I think. We won it and then you won it for that entertainment. I think so. You were the year. I'm sure you were the year.

32:25But I remember seeing you in that show and going, like a fan of yours on social media, tried to get you a murder and success if you didn't learn your audition.

32:37I was like, you know, he's really good for this.

32:41Mo Gilligan: You know what it was in that audition, yeah? Because I was like, don't bring up that. Because I had to play Will.i.am. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I remember, but I was like I was watching videos of Will.i.am for time just trying to get the mannerisms right and everything and then when I got in front of the camera It's horrible though because even at that time I'd never done any self tapes but then I was like yeah but like Tom that's my guy I'll be alright because I was like Mo's gonna be like Mo's are fucking amazing but it's a weird thing as well because then I think Samson ended Samson got it yeah Samson KO yeah yeah shout out Samson but like you were doing But I remember seeing you with Big Nasty, who I need to shout out because I think he's one of the funny...

33:22Big Nasty and Danny Dyer for me are two of the funniest human beings. Naturally, yeah. Just so natural. But when I saw you on that, I was like, oh, wow, this guy. You know when you just almost foresee, and that's the thing, right? That's where you see you doing that.

33:38Mo Gilligan: Yeah. That's where you go, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And subsequently, you see what... So you are in a place where you're like, yeah, it felt like... Even now, I'm glad that was the thing that broke through because that's where you're like, oh, okay, that's a good thing to be known for. I can't remember who told me earlier on my career, but they're like, the thing that breaks you through is something that people remember warmly. You get a little bit more wiggle room if something doesn't go as well. People go, oh, okay, he wasn't as good on that thing, but I remember it shows you the very fundament of what you're doing.

34:16You have that talent and that's your thing. And I think that first step is always the most important.

34:22Mo Gilligan: What was it like winning the BAFTA? It's a mad thing. I mean, you've won 44. Four or five. Unexpected, I'm going to tell you. I don't know how you felt, but I was like... I got back to the breakthrough the year before with some mad people.

34:42Florence Pugh. Florence Pugh? Oh, okay. So she was in my group. Oh, you know, Coyote?

34:48Mo Gilligan: Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, of course. So me and Coyote got double tight for that. Malachi, they were all like, and I'm like, I'm quite significantly older than everyone else on this, by the way. It's a bit mad when you get breakthrough when you're like, I've been doing my thing for a little while. Yeah, also I was going to say, look, you know, remember that episode of Fools and Ours where Rodney is with all the kids? He went to the cereal. That's what I felt. I was like, and then, but yeah, so I'd run that, I think the year before. or two years, whatever. And so, but when I went that year, I had no, I didn't think, we were up against Taskmaster and Would I Lie to You?

35:26And I was like, these are great shows. And I just thought this is like this weird little show that's tucked away on BBC Three. It's quite cold in its very nature. So I didn't, I hadn't written a speech or anything. So it was, yeah, it was a mad one. I still look there and think like, fuck, that's, and also, you know, I mean, it's like, because then you sort of think, fuck, is this just what it is? And then you, I remember Rio saying to me afterwards, because Rio won one that year, and Rio was saying like, what are you going to do now? And I went, well, man, I can go anywhere. You need to enjoy it tonight and then put it away and work towards the next one and the next one.

35:58And that's how, that's the sportsman's. And so then in my head, I haven't won one since, but you have got a thing of like, okay, you know what that feels like. You know what I'm talking about. I could end up just being like, no, if it's the arsenal of BAFTAs. No, but you won.

36:13Mo Gilligan: I think when you look at the calibre of shows and then knowing that it goes down to maybe four or five of all the shows that have come out this year and you're like, bro, we're in the last four. Yeah, yeah. And I remember when I got a nomination and I was like, listen, this is a win. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like to even sit here amongst everyone and get a nomination. Bro, it's... It was just like, bro. It just gives you like the recognition that the wider public will be like, oh, that's back to recognised. Like Oscar nominated or heavy nominated. And it's as big as that. And when you see how you're, especially like I said with a show like that, that it's been the same group of people in its DNA for like three years making it.

36:59And also like, that last series was like, we all kind of knew that was it. We all, we kind of all just been like, this is, like, this feels like it's gone as far at the moment as it possibly can like you know you're not like you don't want to be recycling material or it just felt like people have got used to that last series which was great we have like reggie was brilliant and um richard osmond and lorraine and we had like good people on it but you know you just felt a little bit like what will be that what else could we do to shock and get the people because you're still having to try and find new bits and actually we'd all made a piece so it was kind of in a way like okay this is this will be this do you know i mean and and then to win to win that you're like oh okay so nice that must have felt like and yeah like the cherry on top of the cake you know i mean but then like we were talking before about like first album second album the pressure's on then to what is what is your follow-up to that and what is the thing that you make because stroke now people now you have got people's attention yeah so the next step is interesting it's like what do you do now um speaking of attention like

38:06Mo Gilligan: being on the big screen because like to then transition into obviously things that you've written yeah and also you're a really good actor you know i'm not even just saying this to gas you up but like it's so mad like when i speak to you but when i see you playing characters on the screen i'm like raw tom is tom's a cold actor like because it's like i don't know if you method act or if you, but I believe the character. Like, the accents are different. Your mannerisms, like, you're really good, man. This is a man thing to say. So when I did, I look at like, so when we did Murder and Successful, this is an insane thing to say.

38:48I was like, how would Denzel play this in Murder and Successful? Like, what edge? So, but then I watched a lot of videos, like, about people that I think are like, so there's quite an element of like, with Murder and Successful, was always kind of method uh i've always been very lucky to to work with people and watch people from quite early on in my career yeah who were that i rated and who were very like great performers and subsequently as time has passed it's like like even if i'm not feeling it's very much like if you were stand up or anything you i think in any walk of life but certainly as like when i would watch you compare i'd be like which is a fucking tough job but you you try and take something of what someone's done or like a type of rom or whatever you're watching people and when acting with acting my thing was number one I think methods are different yeah it's like to try and stay in the moment as much as you can

39:41Mo Gilligan: do you method though do you like yeah like there's an element of like someone was doing Mick in The Curse there was like quite a lot trying to find that voice and find the mannerisms and find the character and then when it came to things like Wonka was slightly different but I was given quite a lot of free reign there to create That's something good though, man. That was like crazy. Man's in Wonka, you know. Yeah. That's a big deal, man. It was, yeah. And I think the weird thing was like you have this imposter syndrome that is sitting very much on your shoulder. But you're like, you're conscious that you're with the very best, right?

40:15Every scene's with like Timothy and like Olivia Colman. Yeah. So you're like, and I'm not that long really off the scaffold site. And I'm like, but there's a part of me when it came to that, I was like, I was picked for this for a reason. And I can't lose the faith in what, so I need to be up at that level. I can't, and I can't just quietly just shift into the scene and just hope that I get away with it. I have to make a bit of a statement here. I have to, like, you know, Paul King, who's one of my favorite people, cast me in Paddington 2. And I had like one line in Paddington 2 at first. That became quite a bigger part because he was like constantly, you know and you know being around i guess and test screenings are done well so with one guy i was a bit like i need to i need to sort of show something here and then like i was fortunate i was saying like thousand blows where i was working with like steven uh and like it means that was an incredible cast um malachi again erin docker is i think one of the best sort of perform actors actresses in the world at the moment she's phenomenal but i had a really small part in thousand blows it was like steven and hannah had asked me to do it and i was just i just sort of thought it's my first foray i'm first step really into that drama world that drama space and i had two other offers on the table at the same time which were bigger parts but in stuff that i was a bit like hesitant about because i felt like i'd done it before and i the big thing for me is that I'm going to be around Stephen Graham.

41:47For me, Stephen Graham is just like, you know, Steve, he's one of the best actors, but one of the best human beings.

41:53Mo Gilligan: And one of the nicest people, man. Like Stephen was just so, and James Nelson Joyce, Danny Mays. So this part was like, on paper, I was like, but do you know what your gut tells you? I'm like this, I want to be in something that's like, I knew how amazing the scripts were. Ashley Waters is directing. And like, so, so there's like a thing where I'm like, I just need to be around these people. and this is this is I'm never going to be able to go and go back and learn this is going to be my education so like even in times where I wasn't in scenes or I might be at like standing in the background of a scene I'm watching Stephen Hannah Erin I'm watching Ashley I mean Ashley's like Ashley for me is one of the most talented people walking the planet like like he's an amazing human being like you can't help but feel inspired but when you're around Ashley Waters but like as a director I was like fuck man you like you're just like I've known Ashley for a long time When I won the BAFTA, my happiest memories is looking to, as I came down and actually just like smiling over like and just shouting, shouting to me, yes, big man, yes.

42:53And like, so to be on, but yeah, Stephen, I'm just watching that and I'm like, this is, if you don't, you're a fool if you don't take an education away from this, that this is what it takes. And there's moments like where I do something like, yeah, acting wise and it wouldn't, like Stephen would be like, less me, less, fucking not up here, less, less go, less me. you're a big guy and you can do something so simply and give me tips and and you walk away thinking wow like stephen graham and like he's been a friend for a long time but it's the first time we did a thing called um virtues a couple years ago when we're improvising in this pub scene and i was you know but yeah that so that for me is like that thousand blows is like as big as any other part of my steps to where i want to be is that thing is and and like when you're a part of like that with a group of people.

43:43And I need to say as well, that as a set was just a beautiful place to be. Like across the board, like the diversity that I saw, the people, like young people, like come in for their first jobs as runners. Like the thing that you don't see behind the scenes, like Stephen and Hannah and Damien Keogh and whoever had created something really beautiful. So when I was on there, I was like, wow, this is...

44:05Mo Gilligan: Mate, the set is unreal. It's in there. Was it Burns or something? yeah, yeah. It's unreal to see. but but just the crew it was it was a very and i look at that everything has to have a reason when you're doing like so that so the things i turned down i was like they're not for me because i don't i could earn more money or i could do this but if i want to reach where i hope i can go sometimes you have to take a step a little this way and go oh shit that i learned a lot here yeah and i straight away weirdly then went into two things more drama and the stuff that i'd learnt from you know erin stephen daniel ashley hannah those are those things stood me in such good stead for the times when i was like working on another things i was like oh shit i i remembered that little bit of advice from stephen or something james nelson jillis had said or whatever that's the stuff that i'll always remember and where do you hope to go where is the because i feel like you know you have a podcast you do stand up you know you're gonna you're on tour in january as well.

45:10Mo Gilligan: You're on tour. We were talking about that before. You're acting where you can act in, you know, comedic stuff and you can do dramas. But then I also feel like for you, it's like there's no end where you can take it. Because like I'm saying, like you're really good at the time. Oh, thank you. So like, it doesn't surprise me if you get cast in like a Wonka or like, yeah, it doesn't surprise me or even what roles you... Do you get typecasts as well for a lot of stuff? Because of your size and stuff. That's a worry, because you just want to try. Because I feel like you should be in mob land. I feel like you should be...

45:46I've done a thing with Guy now. Yeah. Which comes out next year or late this year. You can't just say it like that. No, no, but like... I've done a thing with Guy. But he's like, he was like, I was so starstruck with him. But he was like, yeah, but he was like, just, yeah, he was just everything you'd hoped he'd be and more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And again, it's like a nice part. It's a good role and it's more drama. But I love comedy. Comedy is like, well, I want to do more comedy. I think we have so much talent here. Yeah. I want to do like comedy films. I want to do like, you know, I look back at the sort of, you know, the ilk of like trains, planes, automobiles and stuff that we grew up and we don't hang over.

46:29And I'm like, I want to make sure that that part of it is like, how do we push forward with comedy? I love writing. I love creating day in, day out. I'm very fortunate that I have the support around me to do that. But, you know, I feel, and I say this in like a, not in a self, like I have no real fear of failure. I was such written off at such a young age as not really like people, you know, I was dyslexic. I wasn't particularly academic. So for a long time in my life, I wasn't very good at sport. you've seen me play football.

47:05Mo Gilligan: Oh, yeah, yeah. Soccer Raid, come on, man. Come on, man. But I feel like with Soccer Raid, it's like, we're never really judged on our playing ability. It's just like, cool, like you managed to muck in and you gave it what you could. Do you know what I mean? You was all right, though. Yeah, I played all right. You was up top. You was playing for England. They stuck me up top and I'm like, I've never played. And then you've got someone shouting, go, mate, run into the channels, make sure you're fine. I'm like, what the fuck? I'm a 43-year-old, overweight comedian, bro. I liked it I met some friends there you were there it was nice I met Chunks there and Chunks is just an infectious guy I remember he sent me this beautiful message he didn't know I was in Wonka and he was watching Wonka on a plane yeah but it's a mad place because you're surrounded by footballers and I'm obsessed with football I love football but then also you meet people that you'd never like we'd like like annie cole was like one of the best people i've met like he's one of the nicest people yeah but like i sort of you know when you just meet someone you're just like this guy is just i wanted to impress him so much but like that that vibe in that hotel we did i did it with you in the year of covid so we're all 2020 man that was a tough one kennedy who is like he's become subsequently become a kapow it was yeah a beautiful thing to be involved in and and but also like never lost on like those are the moments right they're a little wow like you know yeah this feels like but like and but i was i was never like it's i think the nature of soccer is slightly changed now that feels like there was a last few years and now it feels probably more it's had to become more of an entertainment thing that year felt like oh this is about a football match and now it feels more like there's the other stuff which is great um but also i was like kind of like sort of knew my place i knew that just be fun that and like which is my nature in life is get through it but if you fail and you're not like good at things i think we we put so much pressure on and and so so like i yeah we talk about all the things that have gone our way i could list off hundreds of auditions that have gone wrong scripts that have been rejected but like I never like lose lost sight of like or lose sight of in the end it's like that is the game we have chosen that's the business that we're in but if you've had that grounding from quite a young age where you're like you know you're never the guy who gets the girl or you're never like this thing doesn't go your way that thing doesn't go your way but shit will be alright in the end what's meant to be shan't pass and that is the thing right you just gotta keep milling away so what a future holds is like you hope you know it's always to keep doing things that you think oh fuck that's a bit different this is a bit like out of my comfort zone yeah and and always trying to challenge yourself i think that's the thing that's you know it's like hell man it's like you're someone i like like look at and i think like man i buzzed when i saw you and you're you're out in la fucking doing the best thing no but it's fucking beautiful man and but you are like i think similarities to myself is when I see you is like you didn't come through a conventional way into this it's a slow burner and it's you know you but you're figuring shit out but also you go this is what I am this is where I sit and this is what like it I don't I don't look at you and like I don't look at you as someone goes this this frightens me because I think you know that you've got the minerals to go well I can step into this and and I'll work it out and I'll be I'll be all right and I think that's the thing that I try to have like day in day out you know that's and that goes for being a husband a father best you can but you're always you've always got this really nice ability to just like I don't know whether it's put an arm around someone like see how someone's doing and genuinely care like I remember when we'd done that soccer raid and chunks missed a penalty and it was hard because obviously there was no one in the stadium.

51:14Yeah.

51:15Mo Gilligan: Which felt louder than if people were there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a really strange atmosphere because it was Old Trafford, which felt like a kickabout. Yeah. But then realising this is on television, loads of people are watching it because it was, you know, COVID, there was nothing going on at the time. But also just it felt like there was no one there, but then there was everyone there. Yeah, because it was like one of the most watched because everyone was at home, right? Yeah, yeah. But I never forget, I remember when he missed and, you know, I was on the opposing team. So obviously we all celebrated.

51:51Mo Gilligan: I can't remember who was in goal for us, but we went to celebrate and I remember you went straight up to Chunks. You was the first one and was like, bro, it will be all right, man. And like, I remember, you know, there were some people that was really disappointed. You know, they're not even footballers and they were so disappointed and I was like it changed my perspective on obviously you know you win at the end but at the same time I was like this was just a vibe yeah if I never do this again yeah it was just a vibe I've got to be around a ton of my friends but like the way you remained like you're like yeah like I'm a I'm a human being first before I'm Tom Davis before I'm on television before I'm on Soccer Ed I'm a human being first and I know what that would feel like so the fact I remember I'll never forget that you went up to him and you just put our arm around him and you was like oh bro it's alright man it'll be okay man and I was like yeah no big up Tom man because there was a lot of people taking that a bit too serious there was too and it's you know when you're like it's not that deep no and you know the sad thing was it was like so Chunks was like I'd never met him before probably a bit too old to be too like knowing you know I just like I just vibed off him for the minute I met him and like so me and him as well like they had this mad thing where I don't even remember the food there was like these tiny little portions of food this is before me and Chunks both went on a health kick and I'll get to that in a second but like Chunks would like he'd like knock on my door and go big bro big bro I've got like I've got some stuff smuggled in listen everyone was struggling right listen remember that day I got like 10 pieces yeah yeah yeah yeah man so but me and him just buzzed off each other and we found it like um I just found his energy like beautiful but when like and the thing about him when he missed that penalty is there was like his by the way like his in training his penalty didn't miss one penalty he was insane he was and so yeah he was taking the fifth whatever but it was no it shouldn't be it there was no but then there was sort of few people like oh yeah no who've been playing in it longer or felt they had sort of like more bearing on it all i just really loved the kid and i felt quite protective of like and when i saw the reception like when he missed it was just i didn't really have any other that's just me as a person and and subsequently then we both come off the pitch and then there'd been this whole thing where like the commentator for the game had just been cracking fat jokes about me and chunks yeah i remember this yeah he got me mixed up with yeah um locksmith from yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but then he made all these jokes and then like you're coming off the pitch and you think oh look this this kid's just missed his penalty and he's kind of getting a bit and then we we i remember like and i remember like me and him were gonna like tweet about it and then ashley cole went no don't don't wait till tomorrow morning and speak to people don't don't just fucking react like now i remember actually for that being like sound and like but then i remember getting to a hotel and then it was a brilliant it's quite a big thing and actually it's a weird thing because and i'd never i've never i've sort of text chunks we keep in contact but like it's a weird thing because most both from subsequently from there me and him because it was like like my dad was like there's like six whatever million people watching this and like someone's making jokes about your weight yeah from there both me and him went on this this journey like from there i've lost like four stones since that day i'm like but that part of it was like fucking oh that's a you feel like a figure of ridicule because of this like it's something that is there to make money for charity yeah do you know what i mean we're doing it for free but also you're like number one that weren't even very good jokes but number two and like i don't bear any because i'd be a hypocrite if i was like sometimes people get stuff wrong some people like i don't bear any will it will and like he's got to feel time and if i'm honest with you sitting here as like a guy an ex builder and whatever like i'm pretty thick skinned my thing was for chunks he's a kid still at this point you know he's a kid navigating what is quite a toxic world anyway you don't have to go far to get people saying horrible stuff when you're like an older wise a person within society you should know a little bit better you should be cheapening stuff through that but actually seeing the journey on what chunks has been on physically and and you know as a person but you look at him go fuck man that was in quite but then i i've never spoken to him about it but i'm like for me it was like shit like i was getting loads of tweets and stuff like fucking horrible stuff and you're like oh maybe this is something that i need to look at and actually was like yeah it was something that kick-started quite a lot of like self self-examinations like looking at myself and yeah yeah um because that also you like playing soccer was a big deal for me and i was like i don't want to be remembered as the guy that they're making fat jokes about jane like um yeah it was a weird one so like when you look at towards like you know your career and you start because you know you've got family and you're successful within your stand-up you're successful within your acting you're successful in your writing successful with your podcast i know you do a podcast with rumish as well um wolf and owl as well with rumish uh when you start do you are you in a place now where you really are like starting to just kind of plant now a little bit where you're able to see what you put in so you're talking about being on a building site and you're like what you put in is what you get yeah so are you at a point now where now you are getting essentially you know you're getting the roles the the commissions the audience members coming to your show so um how do you start trying to navigate you know a part of your life where you're like do I want to do this forever or do I want to be at home do I want to be in a place where kind of want to be in the background and maybe just right or are you just in a place where you're like I really like the next generation and I really want to give them a boost and show them how it's done how do you start to plan that towards a later part of your life I think like work-life balance is something massive right I think like getting that right when you've got a kid and also just even like for you for myself and my wife it's like working out how to structure that so she's like i'm the best husband i'm the best dad i possibly can be but also like you have to you know i think it's like no matter what what you do for a living you have to you know pay some sort of respect to the to the to the business that we're in and like you know i i look at there's so many different levels to it like stand up i don't think i'm i still look at myself as being relatively like i look at my last tour i think now it was pretty good i'm proud of it but i know i can be better and i can push this better was i you know and i and i think stand up i look at and go i'll always do this now i had a long time out and i missed it acting you know you you sort of think acting i'm really really like i am not fussy but i'm like if this is right it's right like i know that that thing can work for me i know that thing won't things like for me entertainment now is slightly something that i go like i don't think i'm i don't think it's my wheelhouse to be that good at it like and then this is like you know like i could come on your show and is it you know on channel four which is like and i'd have fun on there but when i when like i did a show with jamie and harry redneck which was i loved them guys i found i was like i don't think i was going for a lot of stuff mentally at that point but i was like i don't think i'm i don't think i'm that good on this i think jamie is exceptional like harry's hilarious and i found myself looking at like people around me like you or asim or whoever would come on the show and i'll be fucking these guys like i got in so in my head about it and i was like this isn't something i feel like confident in like give me a role that i can audition for i believe i'm get i'm kind of like you know i feel that's more something i'm it's knowing what your limitations are and when it comes to the next generation i'm like so fatty al-ghori was like my support act and i was constantly saying to her you she can be brilliant she's incredible so we just got her um on bbc we just got her like so she's had a little pilot there which is really funny and now hopefully we can push that and there's a few other people that i look at and think god you're excited and you're good i think the thing for me is it's like and you're again like it's something you've been fucking brilliant at it's like i look at social mobility as a thing i look at like my background and like going like how can i help pull the next few people through who are for who might not necessarily be yeah we do a thing with the king's trust where we've got young writers coming in from different backgrounds and they're like writing scripts for us and like you know they're writing you know so we're trying to teach them how to write and it's the deeper thing is it's a confidence it's not just like oh you you're gonna get a film out of this some of them might just write a script and feel like oh shit i've accomplished saying and that gives them a confidence within life to maybe go out and do something saying whether it's within this industry or any other but they give it they're getting in a confidence and that's been like really warred and we've just done a first year which is all london and this second year which is going to be um hopefully birmingham or manchester and that's like young people that you're working with and you're like you know on the ground and you're like yeah hopefully you can pull through the next group of people and you know this industry is tough it's hard it's like it you know you've got to have so like i look around and think of the people that when i started and and like oh yeah you know it is it takes something from you but you've got um you've got to be person the perseverance is essential but also luck is is massive but if you can just give people and i never really had this that that that's self-learned i guess through time through you know various different things but if you can somehow give people that inner confidence as themselves to sort of walk with their shoulders back a bit more.

1:01:51Like going to a job interview and whether that job interview is in retail or like, you know, in the city or whatever, they believe a little bit. That's an essential thing. We owe that. We owe that to the people up and coming in society because there's a lot of toxic role models that aren't very good in our society. You ain't got to look far for them. And I hope I'm not that. I know I know that. I know that you're not. I know you're a very positive role model. And that's why we owe that to the next generation. To go, you know what? Like, have a look over here because we come from where we come from.

1:02:22And, you know, we've got here, but we haven't done that in a way of... Yeah, man. Yeah, that's an important thing.

1:02:28Mo Gilligan: Oh, Tom, man, it's been a pleasure though, bruv. No, it's been a dream. I've been trying to get you on here for a minute. I know, and it's just... I think we've probably done six hours. No, but honestly, like, I really rate and respect what you do, man. But also just who you are. I've seen you recently at your office as well. And yeah, even just in that short period of just you sharing advice and just being like, oh yeah, this is great. Or even you mentioned the podcast and stuff. You're a very, very talented person. I know you know this, but honestly, bad boy actor. So when I've seen you in stuff, I'm like, I genuinely, I'm like, is that the same person I know?

1:03:15Mo Gilligan: Because he's really a different character there. And not to say that any of my other friends don't feel like that, but like I genuinely am like, that's why it's asking. I'm like, are you really doing the method thing? Because I believe it, man. But that just goes to show how good of an actor. And the fact that you haven't, you know, you haven't gone to like one of these big drama schools or anything. And you've just taken it up in a sense of what you've learned of what you've been around him. but also just the person you are. Like you're one of those people that just give a shit. You just like message on the off or just like, oh, how's this going?

1:03:46Mo Gilligan: Oh, I've seen this project. Then anytime I've had a show, you've always been able to come on and lend a hand. And do you know what I mean? Don't hold any ego. So listen, it's been a pleasure. Can't wait to see the film with Guy Ritchie, bro. Come on, bro. I noticed how, when I said it, he was like, yeah, bro, NDA can't really, let's, let's goddamn have it. No, no, no, you're making it up. That's it. that's the first time I've mentioned it and you're on tour in January as well right oh wicked man well listen man if you listen to the pod make sure you snap out their tickets man but listen this has been your beginning middle and end thank you very much man thank you man thank you my brother really appreciate that man thank you hey what's up thank you so much for listening to the podcast today now a lot goes in to making each episode I know you hear my voice but there's a team behind the scenes who helped make it and if you did enjoy it I'd really really appreciate if you could show the love to them by giving us five stars.

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