Ep 103 - The Reality of TV Fame | Scarlett Douglas

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0:40Mo Gilligan: Hey, what's up, people? My name is Mo Gilligan. And right now you're tuned to my podcast, Beginning, Middle and End. Now, my guest is known as a property presenter from flipping houses to finding people their dream homes in the sun. She talks about the pressures of training as a young dancer, her I'm a Celeb experience, plus she gives me some great advice about property and investment, and also advice about buying a fake wedding cake. Yes, it's a real thing. Please, welcome to the podcast, Scarlett Douglas. Thanks for doing the podcast. I really appreciate it, man. Thanks for having me. It was really nice when I got the message in my age or something.

1:18Mo Gilligan: Nah, I appreciate it, man. The last time I think I've properly seen you was at... Soccerade. Yes. Yeah, yeah, it would have been Soccerade, yeah. You matched up your knee or your something like that? Oh, my Solaeus. I tore my Solaeus. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I've got like the last eight minutes of the game, but that was, I was training for it, tore my Solaeus. Yeah. And then I managed to get fit just to play the last eight minutes. Oh, man. It's well chuffed. Why, like, why do you, like, because you see with football, yeah? I think some people go into football and then I'm like, Like this is one of those things that people can do.

1:57Mo Gilligan: Like especially Soccer Aid is one of those ones where you're like, oh, this is a lot. Yeah. So why did you do Soccer Aid? Soccer Aid has always been one of those things for me that I've just watched for years. And I've always said one day I would love to do Soccer Aid. And both my brothers are professional footballers. So they've had the opportunity to play high level, play amazing stadiums. I played when I was younger, but obviously nothing amazing. You played for Arsenal girls, right? I did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is so cool. So cool. And actually when I did, I'm a sled with Jill Scott, we worked out with the same major.

2:28So if I'd kept going, we probably would have ended up like playing against each other. Maybe even with Alex Scott as well. But yeah, I just thought I've got to do it. And when you see the names as well on the lineup, you just think, this is a once in a lifetime opportunity.

2:41Mo Gilligan: You forget that you're meant to be playing football. Yeah. Because when you're in, so anyone who's listening, when they do Soccer Aid, you do it in the Champneys Spa. Yeah. And there are still some people that are just there, like just regular people. It's not like it's locked off to the public or anything. No, having the massage and all that stuff. Yeah, yeah. And obviously you do your little pressing, you might do some, you know, you do training and stuff. And then they have a room where you can just get massages and treatments from like top, like football physios and doctors. Big up them, by the way.

3:12Mo Gilligan: Yeah. Because I find like that is the place where everyone wants to chill. A hundred percent. That's where the vibes are. Yeah. I feel like even if I didn't have an issue with my leg, I would have been in there anyway. everyone's just in there I didn't know when I first first done it but then I was like right everyone's in here and then you've got the compression boots and they're like you alright Mo do you need a and I'm like I don't but but why not maybe just get one anyway they're there yeah yes yeah yeah how did you find that experience did you enjoy it oh I loved every minute of it I loved every minute I didn't even think I was going to get to that point because of the injury and I remember them thinking oh we might have to find someone else and I was like there was no way because I made history that year being the first non-professional to ever play in Soccer Raiders, a female.

3:52So I thought, I'm not losing that title. I have to be there. And I think it was just the randomness of like two, three in the morning. I'm playing that. What was the game with Usain Bolt? You know when the lights come on, you've got to get your reflexes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like tapping the lights. I'm just looking around. I'm thinking of hanging out with Usain Bolt. I've got Bugsy Malone there. I'm with Jermaine Defoe. I'm with all these huge people around me. And little old me is there. It was a moment for me where I thought, okay, I've obviously done something right in my career. that I get to hang around with these people and they see me as one of them.

4:22So it was amazing.

4:23Mo Gilligan: Now, big up your brother though. I play football with him. We've done this thing with Crystal Palace. Yeah, it was. The goals for, gosh, wasn't it? Great Ormond Street Hospital. I don't think it was. No, that was at Wimbledon. No, it was a different one that you guys did. It was a different one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I remember your brother was like, oh, what's going on, mama? What are you saying, bruv? Yeah, yeah, man. Yeah, you know my sister Scott, innit? Yeah, yeah. And I was like, yeah, yeah. But I was like, I know your face from somewhere, but you know, you can't, you're trying to correlate where you know the person from.

4:58Mo Gilligan: And then he started kicking ball. And there's one point where he's playing football and I was like, oh, okay. You know, it all starts coming to you. Your brother's good though. Yeah, he used to play for you in town. You know, you're like, hey, calm down, bro. Calm down, man. But you know what, he said that he then did the gosh one, the goals for Great Ormond Street at Wimbledon, AFC Wimbledon, and he tore his soleus. and literally about, I think, four weeks later, we were going on the run for Celebrity Hunted. And I just remember seeing him just drop and there was no one around him. And I thought, oh, shit, he's done it now.

5:28And I just ran on the pitch, jumped over the hoardings. I was like, are you okay? He's like, don't worry, I'll just do it in a boot. I'm like, I don't care about the show. Are you okay? Is your leg all right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Torn, went to hospital, got x-rays, and they said that depending on the measurement, he would or wouldn't not have to have an operation. Thank God he didn't need to have it. And we still ended up doing Celebrity Hunted, but he did it in a boot. in a booth. It was like hobbling around.

5:49Mo Gilligan: Oh man. Yeah. It was a nightmare, but it was still fun. You went to like art school as well, right? I did. Yeah. I did performing arts for three years. Yeah. From 16 to 19. Lane Theatre Arts, it's called. yeah, yeah. That was an experience, Mo, I tell you, because I've always loved singing and dancing and performing. Always. I wanted to be in a girl group. I wanted to be like in Cleopatra or whatever. But going to that college, it's one of those that can make or break you. 100%. Because you are in ballet class from like eight in the morning and you are continuously working hard. It's strenuous.

6:24And also at that particular college, they used to weigh us every month. And when we would leave for like the end of term or half term, we'd get weighed. And if we came back and we were weighed and we were overweight, we were sent straight to the nutritionist. We were put on these diets and it was mad. So there were so many people there.

6:40Mo Gilligan: What year is this we're talking roughly? This was, I went 2003 to 2006. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's definitely not like that now. Like I go back and I mentor the kids now. So I would never want anybody to have the experience I had there. But it was, it's hard. And you're seeing girls that are anorexic. There was a girl that set up like a bulimia club there. And one of my really good friends, Beatrice, she's a bigger girl. She's curvier, but her dad was always big. She was going to be big boned. He was an opera singer. She's an opera singer. So she was big and she'd be walking around eating seeds. And it's like, this is ridiculous, Beatrice.

7:11You can't do this. so I think mentally it really would either make or break you but I think it made me the person I am today because I'm very resilient now I was never a favorite at college so that meant I knew how to get up and dust myself off and go again so that's helped me in the industry but a lot of the girls that were they were the popular ones at college they couldn't make it when they left

7:30Mo Gilligan: because they didn't know how to deal with the rejection that that I think anyone who goes to any kind of theater school specialized music school the training is so hot when i heard about it yeah i was like what this is this what you don't have to do and i i get the whole make or break thing and i've only had a small slice of it of like i'd done um performing arts and theater production at uni okay and we had done this play called comedia that it's an art film called comedia del arte where you know like where they put on like those kind of mad elaborate masks and one is like a crow oh yes and the masks are like made out of leather and all this stuff but the whole point is that there's no real lines everything you're doing is like expressionate right it's like you know like how early clowning is basically yeah it's kind of like how that is like not i wouldn't say from that someone will probably correct me but how you use your body and physicality in the mask is meant to basically just tell part of the story where it's your body that is doing everything anyway this guy coming from italy i'll never forget teacher was hyping yeah this guy's trained in the arts the teacher said to me yeah you're gonna be the lead i said me the lead all right cool i still like doing a lot of the funny stuff anyway yeah because it was comedy and expression i thought this would be great because you're gonna be the lead in it And then this same week, my student loan dropped, but I got it backdated as well.

8:56Okay.

8:57Mo Gilligan: So it was double bubble. Oh. And then a guy come in and he's like, okay, guys. That was so brutal to me. I, every day I would go West End and go shopping with my student loan. Right. I would go shopping. I do a madness. But it's not a madness in the sense of a Selfridges and it's like Top Man. Two for two t-shirts. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And every day, just out of pure, I think it was depression. It was like, I'm going to go shopping every day to make myself happy. Anyway, we did a play. I was like, I just want to say, man, I know I've struggled with this, but I was going to say, thank you so much.

9:34Mo Gilligan: You really pushed me to my limits. I'd never done this before. Right. And he goes to me, he goes, yes, but you know, don't, you know, you're still not very good. When I'm mean, yeah.

9:51Mo Gilligan: have you ever seen the film yeah boys in the hood yeah you ever seen that scene

10:01i was in that dressing room just what do you mean man just oh yeah given your all yeah

10:09Mo Gilligan: for a man to say yes but you know still not so good so don't celebrate now you know i thought i'm gonna bang this guy in the face but that's what i mean about i always praise anyone who's gone through that route because i only again i'm at uni so i got a small taste of it but i know some people in drama school are getting that all the time constantly do you know what i mean constantly you have to be thick-skinned in it yeah what plays did you do when using because you've done is it musical theater as well right i came out did musicals so the first show i did but the first ever show i did this was a great um moment for me was the michael jackson musical thriller live oh yeah yeah way back so it's the initial original pilot it went to the dominion theater did two shows like a matinee in an evening and that was to get picked up hopefully to then go on a longer run but i remember being at college and we had a theater agent and i was like look i've heard about this show it's coming in it's in the stage newspaper doing the michael jackson show please will you put me up for it i'd love to audition he's like no i just don't think it's gonna suit you i was like i know michael jackson's white now but he was black once upon a time it's definitely who i am i can do it i know soul i know all of his music yeah yeah no no no i was like okay fine and then do you remember the jump off oh yeah yeah yeah yeah i used to um be a round girl at the jump off and then i created a dance crew yeah and i used to dance there and there's a guy called patrick allen who would put on these big dance battles for like hip-hop crews and whatnot and i ended up getting really good friends with him doing some of his competitions and after my agent rejected me i swear it was the next day i got a call from patrick like right i've been asked to choreograph the michael jackson musical and i want you to be my assistant choreographer are you up for it i was like yes i'm up for it i went straight back into college the next day and I said to Agent Joe, don't worry about that audition because I'm going to be assistant choreographer.

11:47It's fine. So I got to be assistant choreographer, dance captain, cover the lead female and just whatever else they needed on the show. It was the best feeling, honestly. And then from there, I think, in fact, that was probably the moment where I was like, I can totally do this. I've been told at college I can't, but I can. So I did that show. We did it on tour. I then did We All Rock You, the Queen musical in Zurich in Switzerland. So I lived there for like a year and a half. Did We All Rock You. Sorry that was Rewa Rock U Did Hairspray the musical in London Did Rock of Ages Did a show called Fella Which is about Fella Cootie at the National Theatre That one was amazing Because that one was produced by Will and Jada Smith And also Jay-Z and Beyonce So we had everybody down To watch the premiere at the National Theatre So we were all thinking that they're going to show up They didn't show up They didn't come in?

12:36They didn't send a text? Nah nothing Not even a little video message Nothing But yeah that was probably a career highlight So I've loved it I did musicals for eight years and it was just, it's an amazing experience.

12:46Mo Gilligan: Because in musical theatre, I feel like you've got to be a triple threat. You've got to be able to sing, act and dance. Yeah, definitely. So you can clearly dance if you're going to be a choreographer. Yeah. If you're going to stage school, then you can act. Yeah. Can you sing? I can sing. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you still sing now? For now, I sing for fun now. Just don't put me on the spot. But no, now I sing for fun because there's no pressure. I'm actually doing I don't even know why I'm saying this but I'm doing a charity gig on the 10th of October where I'll be singing the set at Soul Mama in Age Lisington and I'm raising money for Black Women Rising the black women's charity for those that black women that have cancer so I put up a video on my socials that I must have done years ago but I just found some content you know you like you've got to post every day so I found some content I hadn't posted in like a couple of weeks and it was a video of me singing at Ronnie Scott's and it went viral and everyone's like Scarlett you've got to go back to singing I don't know and then they reached out to me from Soul Mum and they were like Scarlett if you want to do it let's do it so October 10th I'm going to do a gig a singing gig I'm so nervous you're going to invite down agents and stuff as well no way guys calm down no I'd be too nerve wracking no I don't think I could do it have you ever been asked to do Strictly no and I would love to do Strictly because if you can dance because I feel like you'd be one of those people where you go on the show and you know there's I feel like every time they do Strictly you get someone that goes on it and they're like yeah I just want to give it a go yeah see how it goes and like now it's merengue week you know hang on this is this person can dance and then they go yeah I actually used to train you know yeah but the thing with that is I've never trained in ballroom or any sort of dance in that style so it is still different so as much as I'll pick up choreography probably quicker than others I still have to make sure my body's in the shape and in the style of a latin dancer a ballroom dancer but I know with like from Bubba's Bubba's gone here Bubba's gone on it and Eddie and they said like the training is brutal but if you've gone if you've done used to it yeah do you know what i mean i would love to do it that i'd love to do both of those really yeah you know what you know what it is about mass singer yeah is that i think if i wasn't on the show i would definitely do the show you would yeah i would definitely do it um but from what i've heard everyone says like yeah like as much as you're like oh i'm gonna sing you like people take it very seriously yeah Because I think the first like week or two, you're like, oh, glad to get it.

15:09Mo Gilligan: And then I think it gets very competitive. So I was in Australia with Example and he was on it. He was, oh, I forgot who he was. I think he was, it was like a bear or something. Okay. And he was like, bro, like I've done music for years and I've been more competitive. Really? Than when I was on that show. Because now I want to get through and I want to. Why is that? Is it because you think people don't know that it's him that he wants to just anonymously be better to get through? I don't know. There might be like an element of a musician that wants to do that. But also, I would be the same. I'd be like, right, I got through it.

15:45Mo Gilligan: Got to do it. Got to keep going. I kind of want to win, you know? Yeah. You know, you're like, I wasn't bothered at first, but now you're in it. Yeah, yeah. I kind of want to win this, you know? It's a bit like Soccer Radio. You're like, oh, I'm here for the vibes. Yeah, yeah. Then you're like, hey, I know what it's like to not win. Yeah, exactly. No, I'd love to do both of those shows. so I'd love to. Yeah, you'd be good at them, man. Yeah. We're putting it out there, bruv. Putting it out there. That's me looking at the TV people that potentially watch it. Okay. I don't know if they watch it, but.

16:14We'll send them the snippet.

16:16Mo Gilligan: We'll just chop it up and send it. So how do you get in from what you do now? How did that then change? Like, what is the moment in your life that changed for you, you know, hosting and presenting the shows you do now? with like property and travel and stuff like that? It was a big shift, actually. So I would be backstage, like interviewing my friends just for fun. Never really took anything seriously. And then the last musical I did was the X Factor musical called I Can't Sing. Simon Carroll produced its company, Psycho Productions, and Harry Hill wrote it. Cynthia Erivo was the lead. That was her understudy.

16:54And yeah, yeah, yeah. And I mean, she's like, she's taken off now.

16:58Mo Gilligan: She used to do poetry back in the day, you know? Did she? I didn't know that Yeah, Sunday show No way So why is her Sunday show in Central? She used to do poetry I can't say that she'd do Bear But I remember like she was on the line-up a couple times Oh wow Yeah, yeah, yeah She's always been driven That's the one thing I'll say about Cynthia We would finish a vocal warm-up And she goes to a room She has like another half an hour We finish physical warm-up She goes for a jog Or in between shows she's going for a run Like she was just dedicated to the cause She knew what she wanted She had her eyes set And she just went for it Yeah So I did that show with her And then it was supposed to be a year contract It's at the London Palladium.

17:31Did two and a half months. We've got a two week notice. Show shut down. I'm like, what am I going to do? And I auditioned for Ant and Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway show, their arena tour. So I had danced with them when I was back at college, like 17, 18 on the TV show. So when the arena tour came up, I was like, this is a sign. I've got to get the job. Auditioned, got it, was on tour with them for, I don't know, from rehearsals to finish, maybe like six, seven months. and I think just seeing two personalities selling out arenas I was like this is what I want to do because if I can't sing and dance forever yeah and if I can talk and still have the accolade of a live audience celebrating me then that's what I want I want it to be all about me sort of thing so um I'd done my little competitions and and backstage interviews and I managed to get a tv presenting agent off the back of it I won one with MTV um but nothing was really coming in you know when you're starting out as a presenter, you just think straight away you're going to host The Voice or you're going to host X Factor.

18:26It doesn't work like that. And obviously being from entertainment, those are the only shows that I wanted to host. So I ended up going on tour with the boys, telling them I wanted to be a TV presenter. Could I interview them? They're like, yeah, sure. We'll come in early and you can interview us. Did it. And they were brilliant. They were like, Scarlett, if this is what you want to do, we'll support you because you're actually really good. So they then got me a meeting with their agents, which is James Grant at the time. And they were like, right, we'll give you some advice, blah, blah, blah, do this, do that.

18:51create a show reel um there are two ways really to get into tv presenting one is go on love island which is coming back and i was like oh it's not really me or two using expertise and if you've got a usp use that as a way in i was like well i do property development on the side because me and my eldest brother stewart that you played with we've been doing property development since i was 24 so like 15 years ago um you know maybe that's a way that you can get in so i went back to the agent that i had managed to get from my competitions and stuff told them i had the meeting and all the advice. And they were like, we didn't even know that you did property.

19:22And actually a place in the sun are looking for presenters that have a property background. So now we know that we can submit you. I was like, perfect. So I had to show them all the renovations I'd done before and afters, just like answer some questions, do a screen test. And I think in the space of 10 days on the screen test, I found out that I've got a place in the sun. And that was like my first ever presenting job on the most prestigious daytime show ever. A show that I've watched many, many years. and I really cut my teeth on that show. Like it was brilliant. I started that in 2015.

19:52Mo Gilligan: Yeah. I did it for about six and a half years. It was so good. One thing I need to ask, a place and a sun, yeah? Yeah. I've always wanted to ask this. So, boom, people are putting in these offers, yeah? Yes. And they're like, yeah, it's been accepted. Yeah. I know how TV works. Like, what's, what's going on behind the scenes? Like, is it just like, listen, for the cameras, you've got this offer. off the back of it you're like I can't fucking afford this you kidding me it is actually real and I'll never forget my first episode or it might be my second episode I was in France and I always thought the phone calls were fake when I watched the show yeah yeah yeah so I'm talking to a French estate agent no idea what he's saying I'm like okay great put the phone down and I'm thinking that we've got a done deal so we're still talking yeah so what are you going to do and we're still not hearing back from the estate agent to like confirm everything so then the assistant producer has to call.

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22:01And where I thought he'd accepted it and he was just confirming it with the other's party, he had basically said to me that they're not accepting it. It was too rude of an offer and don't call back. And I had no idea because I didn't speak French. Did he? I was like, oh, no. No, we managed to get them back on track. And I think we actually managed to sell, get the property sold or they managed to buy it. But there was a lot of like smoothing over. And because I think with that show, because it's always repeated, people think they can put in offers that are so low from like 2015 or 2008 when the crash happened.

22:31They don't exist anymore. You're not getting a house as five bedrooms by the sea for 25 grand. It doesn't exist.

22:37Mo Gilligan: I always watch that show, yeah. And I'm sitting there like, what you want and what you're looking at, Like, yeah, you know, we've always wanted a pool, like somewhere close to like the beach. But these are multi-million pound villas. And your budget is£55 ,000. It's not going to happen. You might be able to get an extension with that money, but you're not getting the property. As a presenter, in someone who does property development, do you ever like talk to people on the side and you're like, listen, I'll be real with you. Like coming in with£55 ,000 is a disrespect. Yeah. Like for what you want You ain't getting this Right So what I would Do you ever do that 100 % And I think The longer I was on that show for The more I felt I could say Look That's rude It's an insult If you go in with that offer They're just going to laugh you off the phone There's no point So let's meet around We know what their lowest amount is Let's not really take the piss Let's go a little bit lower And then maybe meet in the middle But you can't just go in lowball Because it's just ridiculous Yeah yeah yeah What's the biggest misconception people have About buying a place abroad?

23:39Mo Gilligan: because I feel like everybody wants one yeah until you have to realize that you know the one thing you probably want to do is learn the language and then secondly you're like understand because I watch that show and I'm like oh wow there's a different tax to pay or there's this you have to pay and like they also just don't want to sell to people that are not from there as well that can also be you've got to be so careful especially what you're looking to buy a lot of times when people go to Spain they go into the areas where it's predominantly English people that are still living. So they don't have to worry about learning the language.

24:10They don't have to worry about finding an English cafe because they have everything on their doorstep. But then for me, you're not really enjoying that country. You're not getting to explore the culture of a different country. And I think when people are looking to buy abroad, they don't consider the fact that it's a complete different buying process to here. Like you have to get, especially in Spain, it's like your NIE number, your knee number, which is like an NI number we have here. You can't buy anything without getting that. So you have to get a notary to make sure all of your documents are signed and people know who you are.

24:36if you've got a mortgage the percentages might be different to what they are here the interest rates are going to be different you've got to get your bank account you have to make sure you have a really good estate agent and legal person over there so it's the boring red tape stuff that we also have here but it's just very different and different jurisdictions in the same country would have complete different rules as well so you could drive i don't know five miles one way you're in a different county and their rules will be different to a different a different area so it's just being as I guess clued up as possible do your research go out and check these properties because a lot of the times people don't always buy on the show and people get frustrated when you watch it fair enough but we're there from a Monday to Friday they're shown five properties sometimes you'll get to go back and look at it but it's a lot of money to part with in five days you need to really get to scout an area go in the evening be there around school times whatever it may be around the summer times around the winter times is this a place that you really want to spend a lot of your money on and if so go for it but I do think making a decision in five days that's a big decision yeah yeah and then on tv as well and like we're all looking at you got the cameras around you're like you're gonna put in an offer yeah oh you start to feel pressure so I understand why people

25:42Mo Gilligan: don't always offer on it yeah I I love that I love any property show in it so homes under the hammer and a place in the sun they're like the go-tos I feel like they're like British staples 100 % where you can sit back and it's not too much money yeah do you know what I mean it's not like oh hang on how much oh you want to be it's not grand designs money yeah and it just feels like you're watching normal people just live out like their dream but still have budget constraints yeah do you know what i mean where you're like oh bro like why don't you go up a bit you know when i watch homes under the hammer and i'm like just come on come on man and it's like yeah we haven't done any renovations i'm like yo hey hey man it's been two years yeah they come back still nothing's being done but then i think with a place in the sun is that it's that dream of like ah potentially having like that is i think the the next level of you know like middle class where you're like whoa we got a place in a holiday home now like what you live in spain and you can come back when you want i think also the misconception people forget is how expensive it is to have a holiday home i think everyone thinks it's this it's that holiday everyone thinks it's that oh It's like when I went on holiday.

26:54Mo Gilligan: I'm like, no, no, you stayed in a hotel. Right. You still have all the fees and stuff. Like when we used to film in Florida, you have the HOA fees, the Homeowner Association fees. So if you're not there, you're still paying every month for the grounds to be kept clean, the lighting to work, the elevators to work. If there's an elevator in the building, people don't clock these things or add them up. So unless you are potentially renting it out for like an Airbnb property or whatever, you can lose a lot of money. So again, you just got to do so much research. I heard Florida is a good place to buy.

27:22Mo Gilligan: It is a good place. Obviously, that's where the ginger man lives. But there's a ginger. His face is ginger, the orange, orange blonde man that no one really likes. But it's a beautiful place. I go a lot. I spend a lot of time over in Fort Lauderdale. I've got my uncles over there. It's either there or LA, but it's just so cool. It's so cool, Florida. I went to Orlando, Florida for the first time probably like two years ago. And it was February and it was still like 25 degrees. And I was like, and there's lizards walking past. Yeah, yeah, just chill. Like they're saying like, be careful of the swamps because of the crocodiles.

27:57Mo Gilligan: And we was on the lot where the whole like Disney world is, which is huge. Yeah. Like to the point where when I went again last year, I was like, oh, this ain't the same place. This is like another side. that you hadn't seen before yeah of the disney world if that makes sense um but orlando because we went to a basketball game and stuff i was like rala i could see i can see why so many brits choose florida as their destination in the u.s yeah and it's very safe as well it's really safe florida it's probably one of the most and it's called the sunshine state because you get so much sun yeah you're also very close to the caribbean if you want to pop over to like jamaica there's there as well isn't it yeah yeah i love it as well yes um yeah you're close to so many different places and you're east coast as well which means that you're only what five hours behind the state the uk sorry so that's not too bad if you wanted to work from over there as opposed to being on the west coast you're eight hours behind yeah there's so many positives about florida where would you say in america is the not well i say the worst but the place where you're like i wouldn't by there.

29:03I just don't think I'd go deep south.

29:05Mo Gilligan: Yeah. Like Alabama or those places where I'm just not sure if I'm going to make it across the country alive. I think I'd just stay away from those places. Not for me. I've been to New Orleans, which was so good. I went for Jazzfest a couple years ago. New Orleans is a vibe. Oh, it was so cool. Just the old buildings and the properties, the people, the food. Oh, I love that. That was very cultural. It feels like, even though you're of words but you know like it feels like a a destination yeah if it doesn't feel like i'm even in america no it doesn't it feels like i'm in a movie set yes when i was there the cobble streets and everything i loved it yeah i absolutely loved it what was your experience like on on i'm a celeb like because i know you want to know baba tunday as well good friend of mine thank god for baba um but what was it what was it like for you going on the show because you went on a little bit later as well so no i actually well i got picked later i was like one of the last people to be picked to go on so initially i was going to be going in later with sean walsh and then matt hancock decided that he did want to do the show because i think was it rishi sunak didn't put him in his cabinet or something so he was like well then i'm going on the show so i got pushed to go in kind of at the normal time that everyone goes in um but i just remember when my agent said look you're up for it we don't know what's going to happen we'll see then there's eight people left Then there were four people Then it's you and one other person So you're in limbo You're just waiting Yeah I didn't know Is it?

30:29Yeah I had no idea And I think I flew Or I found out 10 Not even 10 days I think I found out About 5 days Before I had to fly So I'm like Mum you've got to do my hair I'm like trying to cancel Different appointments And filming dates Other stuff And voiceovers I'm like guys I'm going to be gone I'm sorry Packed my bag And that's it I was off to Australia But it was so good Because again Like with Soccer Raiders It's a show that I've watched for years and also having been in this industry because of Ant & Dec helping me to then be able to be on their show was like a real 360 moment for me.

31:00Mo Gilligan: Yeah, yeah. So to get over there, I mean, I had the best time probably because I didn't have to eat anything bad or drink anything bad. But I do think in hindsight, it would have been good to do more of the challenges because you don't get as much airtime otherwise. And obviously we had Matt Hancock in there and he was getting all the challenges. You feel like he's getting all the airtime as well. Yeah, and he would be strategically placing like his waistcoat in places so that people could see his name and number and all this stuff just think bro what are you doing but um but yeah if it wasn't for Bubba I never would have made it through that show there were so many times I wanted to just lose it he's like Scarlett just remember on TV just just breathe and hold it down I'm like yeah you're right so when it was between me and him I was like I'd rather it be me because if he goes I'm not going to make it so yeah it was it was gutting obviously to get voted out um but I was one of the least known people in there so to even be in there and have that experience was amazing for me.

31:51Mo Gilligan: Do you feel like being in there definitely helped your career? Does that make sense? Because I feel like it's one of those shows where like you can go on and you can get a load more work or whatever it's, you know, because I guess being on a show like that can be so exposing, but also it's like, if you're not getting the screen time, you're like, oh, like, oh, I got paid and I got a few more opportunities, but is it the thing that people know me for? Does that make sense? It does. if I'm honest, I genuinely thought it was going to change my life and change my career. And it didn't really. I say for the first year, like I got to do Good Morning Britain and I'll cover Richard Arnold on there for a bit.

32:29I did lots of Lorraine, which was cool. But I think what I had in my mind and the trajectory of where it's going to take me to, it didn't really happen. So that was probably a bit of a mind. Can I swear here? Yeah, it's a bit of a mind fuck for me to come out and be like, OK, I think it's going to happen. And lots of things did happen. Like Soccer Raid, I managed to get that off off the back of it great but I think it didn't take off my career as much as I would have liked it to and then there is that mental reset of okay that's fine just you're a bit more known now but you still have to work on your profile you still have to work on your shows and stuff so no it didn't do what I thought it would have done but it's still something that I would never change

33:07Mo Gilligan: for the world yeah yeah what did you think it would do I just thought it would have given me loads of opportunities loads like obviously I didn't win it that's fair Jill Scott she does everything now and I love her she's amazing and she deserves it should have won it and I'm not saying that I wanted to get everything that she got but I do think it would have opened up more doors to at least get me more meetings maybe get me more tv shows um help me develop things with production companies and stuff and it didn't really do that so yeah so there have been times I'm like I don't know if I still want to be in the industry because no matter how hard you try and no matter how much you do there's just always that kind of brick wall that block you can just never get past which is why I ended up going to the States a couple years ago in the first place I don't feel like there's a glass ceiling there I feel like you can literally do whatever you want especially as a black woman in the industry you can just go for it you know you can have your own chat show you can have whatever it is you might want over there do you think here in the UK there is a glass ceiling for black talent but especially for black women as well yeah I really do I really do and I struggle with it and it's a shame but again I see people out there and I'm like yeah you're good but this person's incredible and amazing and i think that's what's great now as well about the world we live in is that you can go and create your own platforms and seeing judy with what she's doing with her her podcast i love it and seeing other people going out there and doing their own things it's great but if we really look at how many black women are doing extremely well in the mainstream i don't think there's that many of us yeah yeah we've got allison hammond aj aj do do and judy love probably that are like really big household names charlene white charlene white Of course, yeah, for Mum's Club as well and doing ITV News and everything and Loose Women.

34:45And there's a whole, you know, we're not, you know, you want people to be, oh, what about it?

34:49Mo Gilligan: There's a whole host of other names. But I know what you mean. It's like the fact you have to think like that hard before you're like, oh, oh, but there's that person. And then you'll forget that person. Even back in the day, Trisha Goddard had her own chat show. It's amazing. But no one has it now. Yeah. I remember I had the same agent as Alison. And what clip was it? I think was it the rock clip years ago? and it went viral and um james cordon had got in touch like i want to produce her own chat show because she's amazing and then it was all like no no no i'm thinking but why not she's brilliant i'd like oh my goodness if i don't know if she would ever want to but if allison had a chat show i would be watching it all the time yeah i just think she's brilliant she brings so much energy to every room and she's great you know i'd love to see that i remember when i first met her she was just like i think we met on zoom during the pandemic had done an interview with her on on maybe this morning.

35:41Mo Gilligan: I'm not too sure. And I'd never, I hadn't met her. I didn't get to meet before. And she's like, no, no, you got to call me Auntie Al now, innit? I was like, all right, cool. So when I go and do this morning, I'm like, yeah, Auntie Al, you all right, yeah? How you doing? You okay? You know, it's funny, yeah? Because like, I don't know what it is, yeah, but I feel like within the industry, yeah, like if you go to maybe like an award show or, you know, TV show, like, from my experience anyway, like black talent, it just feels like I've never met someone but I just feel like I know you you know me yeah yeah yeah would you ever get that finger where I'm like oh yeah auntie I'm like oh so you guys you guys met before like actually no no no no we just understand the struggle right now we've both been through it we know it so we support each other we know the struggle right now so true so true so what would like in some ways be like your your dream because you you go over to America a lot yeah Have you found it more like, have you found more success over that side?

36:43Mo Gilligan: Or do you just feel that you're more listened to? Because, you know, I know what it's like to go over there where you can feel like a small fish in a big pond. But there are some benefits to that I've found anyway. 100%. And I quite like that because then there's no expectations on you then. You can just go in and meet with the people. It's like, right, these are my credits from the UK. So you know that I'm someone. You don't know me here, which means it's a blank canvas. I can build whoever I want to be and whatever I want to do here. But what I do notice in the States is people are a lot quicker to say, oh my God, we love you.

37:16Let's do something. And you get really excited. You're like, oh my God, this is happening. And then nothing happens. You've got maternity leave. Oh my gosh, yeah. Like when I first went over there, I think in the space of the first two months, I had a meeting with some really good people, actually. One of the production companies, I took a show idea to them and they loved it. And then we started developing it. we started meeting with um like I found lots of different people that fit the kind of topic of the show we found an amazing company created this this pilot episode it was so good I was getting executive producer credit and I'm thinking oh my god I've been here two months this is so exciting and it was all going so well and then I remember having a meeting with HGTV and just talking to them I was like oh whatever happened with the show I've been working with this production company and everything's gone quiet so they haven't heard from you they're like oh yeah well we're still working with the company that I found that was part of, it was like a property company.

38:05They're working with them, but with a different production company, not the production company you're attached to. So I'm thinking, what? I started looking into it and the guy basically had signed two contracts with the production company I was working with and with another one. Same because he'd breached the contract, everything had to get shut down. So there I am thinking that my show idea is going to blow up. It's going to be like the next big thing on HGTV or Netflix or whatever. And it just didn't happen. And I was gutted. And then there was another show which was a cross between a place in the sun and i have a show or i had a show called my dream derelict home in the sun and it's a cross between those it's americans moving over to spain or france wherever let's say it's france buying old chateaus renovating them to be their dream homes hey guys it's drew off wallow from the comment section listen it's time to stop settling for hair products that just don't work with all the prestige brands at sephora upgrading your routine is easy.

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39:34They then split. Then they had no budget for HGTV and definitely no budget really for them to do anything abroad. So again, that was something I was attached to. Like, yeah, we're literally just waiting for the green light. That didn't happen. So the opportunities really are there. And that's in the space of probably overall, maybe like a year. But for all of that to have happened so quickly, it was amazing. I think if I was still there now with the networking I was doing, I would like to think I would have got something by now and I've done little things over there again not as much as I would like to have done but it's hard when you're forward and back, forward and back because I've still got to come and film my TV shows here so then you're out of the loop for a bit then you've got to go back like hey I'm back and what else is there coming up so it's a bit tough

40:11Mo Gilligan: I've found from my experiences over there with agents I feel like they want you to be there live there 100 % it's all good you sending me the thing but I'm not there and then I'm trying to make it work with what's going on here as well yeah it's they don't they can't do that and they they quickly forget about you you can send an email and you're like oh yeah what happened like here are you hey um but then when you're there oh my god i love you so much you will be great for this oh my god like i was just thinking of you for this project this just came in and i was like we've got to get scott it's a no-brainer you're like and then you get gas you're like oh yeah oh my god all right cool So listen, I'm going to get you guys a meeting And yeah, but honestly, like You're amazing What the hell is going on in the UK?

41:00Mo Gilligan: And you're sitting there like, wow You are really blowing the fire up my arse right now And then a week goes by Nothing You know what's mad though, I think over there Is You ever been in a meeting, yeah? And I found this I feel like when I first went there As opposed to probably when I then left my agent, it was two different modes. That's when I first went there. The name drops they were dropping, yeah? Oh my gosh. You know, like when you said you, I'm a celeb, yeah? He's like, my life's going to change. The way they was dropping these names, I said, what? But you got to be composed. Yeah, it's cool.

41:38Mo Gilligan: Because you're also the big celeb. They're dropping names like, well, listen, it'll be great because like, oh my God, like, and then they'll do this whole, where they go, oh my God, because like, we've got to get you like, set up with like Will Smith's company. Like, he'd love to worry with you. Because like you're a comedian right Yeah Yeah yeah yeah I do comedy Okay great So like we're trying to get that meeting With Will Smith's company And like Will Like I know Will And I'm like I'm gonna meet Will Smith Yeah No way To the point where When I left my agent I said Brother come on man Come on man Do you even know Will?

42:08Like seriously Have you even met him?

42:10Mo Gilligan: Oh my god Like because Will Ferrell's shooting something You would be great for it Bro come on bro Let's get Get me the stuff You know you can get me Yeah let's be real Don't do this Will Ferrell Because I've met like I wouldn't say I've met him But like I've met like He's someone who runs Production company And I'm like This is great But then after that meeting Is done Nothing I never heard from them You know Nothing I remember my agent over there When I first had the meeting She's like We can get you on You know Dancing with the Stars I'm like oh my god amazing Because I can't get on Strictly here That's great Yeah yeah yeah So I have like a Catch up meeting with her Which happens very rarely And I was like Okay so what about This must have been A year and a half later So what about Dancing with the Stars No you know This is not You're not that kind of celebrity right now i'm like but you were the one that told me you would get me on the show so what are you talking about they they do sell a dream and yeah as of yet the dream is yet to be seen you also find when you go over there when you know like when you do a meeting here yeah the meeting here will be like it can go on for about an hour and a half in tour house vibing we do a lot of pre-talking here yeah meetings oh how you been yeah not too bad the weather conversations can happen for so long yeah yeah oh my god and the other this heat wave and we had to buy an air con unit we've only bought the air con unit turns out wrong bloody unit oh my god and I'm sitting there like yo let's just talk business come on man I'm on the clock man where it's like and it's like well great well that's yeah we should definitely do it again sometime yeah yeah yeah and then six months down the line they're on maternity yeah that's it they've gone they've left the company they're doing a start up yeah start my own company right what ideas have you got bro What about the ideas From last time We had a whole conversation About it In America Yeah These men You've got 45 minutes Top Straight to the point Yeah So Like tell me About yourself Yeah And I'm like What You want to talk about The weather or something No Like What show ideas do you have Yeah yeah Okay And do you ever do that thing Where they go Yeah Is that a good thing Or a bad thing Okay Yeah Well we would love to thing on that i'm sitting there like okay brother it took me an hour to get here in la traffic yeah yeah they're gone and it's funny i've been in some of those meetings where you'll be in a meeting and then someone will come in oh my god i'm so sorry i just had another call um i'm damien by the way i run the company great lovely to meet you man boom boom boom So, oh my god, I've seen some of you for work Great, great, great I actually got ahead Yes, I've got another meeting But, great meeting you You're like, who the fuck is this guy, bro?

44:54Mo Gilligan: Who the fuck is this guy, man? Because I don't know if I need to know you Or if you're just coming in to be nosy Yeah America is just a different landscape Yeah, you have to be real ready for it over there Would you move out there permanently? I would that was the plan initially and then I was back and forth because of as I said my show's here yeah but I've met my partner now he doesn't want to live in the states and I get it he had an experience there as a black man a few years ago and he was like I just don't want to be there and I would never want to bring up little black kids there and I'm like I hear it but I guess it's certain places that you go to um so I don't know if I'd ever live there permanently and also I don't feel like especially LA it's not the LA that it used to be so if it was to be anywhere I mean we spoke like houston maybe or where we also be saying like boston atlanta yeah definitely atlanta loads of opportunities there um but would i live there permanently if i was still single probably i do love the states and i used to go all the time when i was a child i used to go and spend my summer holidays in miami because i've got my aunt and uncle over there and i used to love it and just think i was like a little american person that was just born in the wrong country so maybe maybe in the future i don't know i don't know if this is where i want to stay i don't really want to stay in the UK I love being able to travel and be in other countries a lot more I think definitely like America single in that kind of period between your 30s and 40s is one of the best periods especially if you're from the UK yeah because your accent gets you into rooms and places that you can be by yourself and make friends friends very quickly you know I mean and there's there's always a nice pocket of Brits out there and I feel like the Brits are always like oh right like i've been missing someone from the uk yeah and they're so supportive as well yeah yeah yeah i love that that's the one thing i've always found about la like a lot of the brits i know who live out there and you know friends and that i've got out there like when i'm whenever i'm there they're like oh yeah let's catch up let's go lunch because i think they're just like i have missed someone like you yeah that i can just chat to properly and get whether it's the banter or whatever it is um especially you know when i used to go out there when i was single and the accent oh my gosh the minute i speak i was like oh my god my god where you from i'm from london what you doing here i'm just here to get food you got a nice accent young man oh thank you thanks madam uh appreciate that man so you you live out here i'll be like no i just just do acting and stuff and wow you big like you famous and i'm like babes that i'm just to get some rice and peace.

47:28Mo Gilligan: They love it. They love it. They have black people in the UK. I get that all the time, even now. Y 'all drink tea, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got, yeah, we drink it. Not every day, but we do drink it. Yeah. Okay. And baked beans. They don't understand baked beans. Buckingham Palace. Yeah. What's the situation there? I don't know. It's there, isn't it? It's there. It's like, but then it is quite nice being like the spokesperson. So people are like, y 'all ain't got no guns out there? No, I got no guns. this goes off though you know really shit man i gotta get out there they love it they love it i think that's what i found appealing of when i would go out there especially also like at a time in my life when i was single but also you could do work stuff um and i and i feel like it's i share the same sentiments it's like i've looked at times in my life i'm like oh maybe it would be good to live out here but i always think visiting a place for as long as you can so different to when you lived there.

48:26Mo Gilligan: Definitely. I think the longest I've spent there is maybe like three months in one go, three, maybe four months. And you do get used to it. But yeah, the grind, the hustle. I like hustling. I do love it. I love working hard. I'm a hard worker, a grinder for sure. But it's a different kind over there. And I don't know if I could physically keep that up like for long periods of time, like living there constantly and that grind day in, day out. Like I do love that Everyone's nice to you in LA But they're always nice Because they have an ulterior motive Because they think That you might be someone That can get them somewhere Yeah yeah yeah Like that is draining after a while After a while man So listen man I'm thinking I come to Europe man So I stay with you What?

49:07Mo Gilligan: No I've just met you Definitely not bro Definitely not man I don't know you bro It's not happening my friend So like where you are now In your career I feel like you found The perfect sweet spot Because You know what you want to do you've been able to do the shows where you're like oh like I think something more would come of this and okay it didn't but I still have other options of what I kind of want to do now yeah especially you know what you do with your brother as well of like property development and stuff and there'll be a lot of young people listening to this now who can't get on the housing ladder as well so do you think that like as you kind of progress in your career is that somewhere that you kind of want to like do you see a gap in the market in there somewhere where it comes to like advice or or even just having you know shows that are just like look like because you and your brother have your own show but also stuff that feels like it is speaking to an audience who are just like I'm not getting on this property out because I think for a lot and even for myself before I bought a house I was like how is this going to happen because when I asked my accountant and where can I buy?

50:18Mo Gilligan: He was saying places, I said there? Blackpool? I don't know about that, you know. All right, thanks. Yeah. It's, it is really hard for the younger generation now to get on the property ladder. And I think that's why, well, Stu and I, obviously with our property shows, we just finished filming a series two of one of them, Can't Sell, Must Sell, which is great. But we do notice how many people come up to us and like, oh, I love what you do, but I would never be able to be on your show because I don't have the money to even buy a property. And I think we've worked with a company now that is an educational company around property and the different ways that you can be involved in property, different strategies.

50:52And I think people need to understand that you can still be involved in property even without any money. There are like NMD deals, no money down deals. There are rent to rent deals. There are a lot of people will rent out a property and then they'll Airbnb it off the back and make extra money coming in. And I think that once people understand there are ways of doing it and you may not be cash rich, but you're time rich, then you can do a JV with someone. You can do a joint venture. It might be that, I don't know, your mum has just retired and she's got a lump sum of money. She doesn't know what to do with it.

51:21So then you can say, right, let me take that. I'll invest it. Obviously, make sure you're doing your numbers, you're doing your research, because you don't want to lose your mum's money or anybody's money for that matter. But there are ways that you can get into property without having to have the money and huge amounts of it. And then the more you do that and the more you can acquire more here and there and your profits, the more you're then likely to be able to buy your own place. So I think it is important. And people always ask if Stuart and I do mentoring. And we actually don't. and we probably should and maybe now that we have a bit more time maybe we will but I think teaming up with the educational company that's really good because people can go on those boot camps they can work out what they want to do and we get involved with that as well so yeah

51:56Mo Gilligan: and I think definitely something within our community because I feel like sometimes when and I'm kind of speaking for myself in some ways where I feel like when we get money it's like why? We want to get our new Nike boots do you know what I mean? It's like I'm going to buy it I'm going to spend it on materialistic stuff Yeah, something that's right here right now. We don't think about the long term. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was the same for me when I first started doing well. The last thing I thought of was like, let me invest this money into fixer-upper or anything. I was like, nah, we're going to go in Hattons.

52:28Mo Gilligan: Got to get me a nice watch first. You want to get the trainers, you want to get the car, you want to get everything else. Yeah. Probably. And then the house is last because, and then even when you do get the property in the house, there I feel like sometimes is this pressure of like oh I've got to get a nice little flat canary wolf and you know you can where sometimes I feel like and there is a generation now who are into you know I bought this place in I don't know in Wales and it cost me this and I'm going to fix it up and stuff and people are seeing that but I guess is that something for you to to look into whether it's doing something with your brother but also I don't know whether it's TikTok or YouTube and social media.

53:08That's a good shout actually that is a good shout because again I said people always reach out to us and ask us questions and I do think it's important that people really think about their future and not the here and now and we always say when you start everyone has to learn how to crawl before they walk before they run so when people are out here like okay I want to get into property development I'm buying this big three-bedroom house and blah blah why are you starting there let's start with a studio that's maybe got a big enough floor plan that you can turn into a one bed or let's have a look at a one bed let's turn it into a two bed whatever it is start small like i said accumulate that money and then go big but everyone wants the instant lifestyle like we see on social media yeah yeah and it takes time and i think when we look at our parents what they did they always taught us to save save save they didn't really invest like that now our generation and learning to invest whether it is in stocks and shares whether it's isas whatever it might be property artwork whatever people think that they want to invest in do it because it's so important and it's going to help you in the long run and then you can get your watch and your trainers and all that sort of stuff and maybe there is a show that Stuart and I Need to Do about that, where we help people really understand the mentality of what do you want?

54:11What do you need for your future? Let's not look at just now because we have, hopefully we have many years to come, you know?

54:18Mo Gilligan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even with, sorry, Mo, there's a show that was in the States called Marriage or Mortgage. And it was about couples that like really want to get married. Cool. You can spend 50, 60 grand on a wedding or 40, 56 grand a wedding, or you can use that money as a deposit for a property, which you could then do up, you know, release some equity from it. That value goes up. Then you can have the wedding of your dreams or whatever it might be. But I'll be really throwing loads and loads of money at one day where we can be spending money on something that's an investment that can get us something else and so many other days.

54:49Mo Gilligan: Yeah, yeah. I think those are the things that people need to really think about and consider. Like I'm planning a wedding at the moment with my fiance. I don't want to spend thousands and thousands of pounds. I could if I wanted to, but what's the point? Yeah, yeah. I don't want to do that. I'd rather invest in another property to do a renovation to sell that and keep going, you know. Until the photographer gives you the quote. You say, what? For pictures? Nah. Come on, man. I can get someone to do pictures, you know. Literally, I'll just get my mum's do it on the phone. It's fine. Most of them will probably be a pair.

55:15How much is the cake? Nah, man.

55:17Mo Gilligan: Take some tears off. We just need free tears. Yeah, that's fine. I heard as well, wedding cake, you can get the fake wedding cake that is just a slice. Yep. I didn't know this. And they have the real cake already cut up for you out the back. Yes. That's the way forward. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because why are you paying for the whole cake? Like, it's too much. It is too much. But then also, I don't want to realise there's a fake cake. No, you just got to cut it from the bag. I know, but you know that someone will be like, hey, Olivia, look at it. Oh, hey, brother. Hey, these people munch you, bruv. They give you a fake cake.

55:47Mo Gilligan: Is it? You've got to act shocked. No way. Say swear. I'm going to message them. No, no, I'm going to talk to my man now. No, no, hey, chill out. Chill out with all that, man. Oh, Scarlet, man, it's been a pleasure to have you on the podcast. Oh, thank you. It really is, man. And just obviously like your journey's like super inspiring, but also like what you do with like, you know, property and stuff. I think that stuff is worth its weight in gold. And, you know, there's so many people that will one, watch you, you know, do things like I'm a celeb, but the amount of people that are probably like, you know, tuned into your journey of, you know, oh, wow.

56:20Mo Gilligan: Like I want to get into this. I don't know how to do that. But also the fact that you have, it's not even a side thing, but you're like, oh, I've got this that I do. but also I've got this so if you want to give me a ceiling as a black woman in television that's fine but I'm over here fix all these properties you know it's alright and I think that's so I feel like there's such a generation of young black women who are going to get into this world of television and to have that of like yes I have the opportunity to want to go to America and look for bigger things but also I have what I do on the side, which is actually another passion of mine too.

57:02Mo Gilligan: So you can have both, not feeling like you need to get this to then get that, if that makes sense. I think multiple streams of income in this world that we live in nowadays is so important. It is, and I can't ever just focus on one thing anyway. So I do my TV presenting, I do my property development, I do my interior design. I've got an independent travel agency that's my own. I've got a talent agency where I've got talent that I've got jobs for. And I love it. I love every aspect of entertainment and property. And I just think as long as people don't ever get disheartened, that maybe that one thing they're focusing on isn't as successful as they'd like it to be right now.

57:36You can always do other things. That's one thing I love about the States, I think, Mo, is that people over there, they are more than triple threats. They do everything. Here, I think we're just taught to focus on one thing. And sometimes I don't think that's always the best way. So, yeah, I like to do as much as I can.

57:52Mo Gilligan: Yeah. No, you can't. Not in this day and age. it's been a pleasure to have you on the pod though it really is man and yeah I hope so many people will enjoy this conversation so this has been your beginning, middle and end, thank you very much Douglas Hey what's up, thank you so much for listening to the podcast today now a lot goes into making each episode I know you hear my voice but there's a team behind the scenes who helped make it and if you did enjoy it I'd really really appreciate it if you could show the love to them by giving us five stars and if you also have the time please leave us a review it's always appreciated and we love reading the comments and of course we want to keep making it better thank you for listening and have a great day peace hey guys it's drew off wallow from the comment section listen it's time to stop settling for hair products that just don't work with all the prestige brands at sephora upgrading your routine is easy.

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