Ep 110 - Armed Police Thought We Were Actually Robbing Someone! Stevo The Madman

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1:24Do you know what's mad? Because people do the comparison But when I look back We didn't look alike The same high top The little bit of Moustache Both changed now He's got different hair Yeah

1:40So it's great to have you back bro I've done your pod I really enjoyed that one man You've got the top on here You've got a little Throwback hair M Bison Come on M Bison This is a little thing joint From Kif Okay Kif joint there You know what I mean Sick sick sick Yeah man But yeah you done the nostalgia pod Yeah bro I really I had a really good time on that You know I thought so It was good I had a good time No I really did Because I don't It's not like I don't do a lot of podcasts Because I do But also it's like I like going on podcasts One that I've got something to talk about Or If it's someone I get to catch up with Yes And it's just You don't even know you're recording Yeah Do you know what I mean Good So thanks for coming Thanks for coming on my podcast again I appreciate it man Learned a lot from you last time Yeah Yeah bro You're telling me about like you know how erin and someone was snitching on it this is my ego yeah i thought you said when you come on my pod last time you learned a lot about me about podcasting i was like really i was like what this is the goal all right okay i mean you know a lot about me yeah bro and how long ago that was we're talking 2020 maybe 2021 yeah we're in 2026 now casey got snitched on with the thing in her mouth.

2:52Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was almost five years ago now. Yeah, man. Yeah, bro. Casey's 19 now. So yeah, she, that would have been 14 right at the prime time where she didn't want me to know things. Now she's just so like blase with it. Yeah, bro. Casey, the girls, bruv, I'll be honest with you. I can't, I couldn't wait to come back and update you on the fam. Yeah. They're all older now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, 21, Leah. Yeah. Driving, took me home from, where did we go? Went bank. For their birthday It was Leah's birthday But Casey and Leah Stay apart So I went to bank And I got licked I got licked But Before that'd be a problem Yeah yeah yeah Like we're in trouble Daddy's driving Yeah Got to leave the car Get a taxi Yeah no yeah Casey Leah drove home Leah drove home Sick The slept Ain't it mad though When you know like You are the designated driver And someone else drives And in your head You're like Oh I'm so used to driving I would have took this well that way.

3:52And it's not like one of your friends that's driving because like some of my boys will drive but like I'll be in the car just like and it's someone like I don't know like my missus is driving or something and I'm like oh it was weird being a passenger. I don't know what to do. I'll be honest. I don't know. I used to feel like that but remember I was I used to drive a lot doing the pickups and so I've always been either a driver's mate or bro I just learned to sleep. I relax so much now Bit different with my daughter But again Leah's a good driver Yeah And Casey Casey drove Where did Casey Casey drove us down To a game All-star game Sidemen game Drove us down To that game And There was traffic Just when we got around Wembley It was packed She was in Out Like Proper man You know what Two hands on a wheel No Is it No no no Okay I do all this Like I said I said, why are you driving?

4:51Like for the music car, like driving like that. I said, allow it. Do your thing. But that's how it used to be when I used to take her for lessons. Yeah, yeah. Now you've completed it, man. Do what you want. If you want to lean back and do your thing, do it. But I'm not a good drivers. Yeah. Good girls. Like my kids, on the contrary, is that what they say? When people used to send me messages, oh, you're in trouble. Like your kids are this. Why would you let them do that? And sometimes you think, oh, this is my first. you could be right I don't know what they're going to be like in five years you could be right I might be doing something now that makes them end up people love saying that like them oh going to be trouble when they're older nah mate they're the greatest thing ever like honestly yeah they're wicked they're good girls Leah's funny Leah could do more in the world of social media and even for her pace she's really good at doing nows and she's got good business it's growing she's expanded her shop but I think with social media she could really take it to another level and probably become a celeb now architect or whatever they're called.

5:54But she's very reserved. She's very reserved. Not around us. She'd be fighting. She'd be burping. She'd be telling the maddest jokes. But in general, she's the family glue to be failed, Leah. So, yeah, she's turned into that. So, yeah, but Casey. Casey's a whole, she's outside now. She's, where did she go? What's the club up London everyone goes to? Tape. Oh, okay. Right? Yeah, yeah. She's right. I'm going to tell us a case. What are you telling me, man? I'll hook it up for you. Don't worry, Dad. The promoter's already told me. I've got it locked. I've got it on lock. I've got it panned. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

6:33I said, cool, cool, cool. Damn. Well done, girl. You know what I mean? But it's not the world I want her going into, but what am I talking about? I do. I want her to learn. You need to go and see that that's bad to ever learn it. You know what I mean? and a lot of the lessons that has come her way, she learns from them. It'd be different if she goes and jumps straight back into things. So you know what I'm like, the other week she drove, she drove, but I didn't want her to drive. I didn't want her to drive to the club because I know how it can get you. It's her birthday. I know how it can get.

7:05I'm like, you're going to end up having a drink or something. She didn't, man. She didn't, got home, blessed, I'm like, a bit boring. You're a bit boring. I haven't said to her, I'll pay for your Uber home. It was four bills on that It was a weekend I said, oh, listen Just leave your car We'll work it out Just have fun She said, nah, dad She said, I'm cool She was, yeah, man So the kids would turn All right, bruv But people still snitch People still People still snitch, man What was the one recently? Like a baller messaged me Yo, yo, Casey was out here Just want to let you know, man Like she was talking to a guy That is my age, isn't it?

7:43Like I think, what the hell? why are you telling me this for? But I said, you know what? Big up yourself. Then it comes out a couple of days later because he had, she had told his brethren that he'd seen him out and he wasn't meant to be out. He's meant to be getting back into this football and doing bits. Yeah, so it was like a, he wasn't happy. I don't know how you'd have told him this. But in the case, he's like, dad, the reason he's told you that, yeah, is because I told his brethren that I saw him out and he wasn't meant to be out. I was like, Well, but again, another lesson case. You see how people are?

8:17But you see our relationship didn't even matter. So I can come and talk to you about this stuff and we can always work it out. Bare times, even with the snitching. That time, no, no. That time she tried to lie to me. That's when she was younger. But since then, they tried to tell me that she smokes and all this. I know. A brethren gets me a tink. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Trust me, you know what I mean? Yeah. You should say that. But you know, we're blessed like that. You know what I mean? And she don't smoke now. Your boyfriend, footballer, they do their gym together. Again, I had to allow them. I think I was a parent.

8:47I am a parent still to this day that I have to allow them to do things because I know now, once I've got older, how many of those things were all bullshit and terrible decisions. But I don't know, I wouldn't have known they were terrible decisions unless I've done them. You know what I mean? So I'm giving them a little bit of space. I've got the little landing cushion ready. You know what I mean? Got the landing cushion ready for them if it does go left. but knowing my kids, like, it really goes super left. They get a little less of a little sting, whether it be a bill or a parking ticket or whatever.

9:24And I'm like, good. You know what I mean? You need to feel that. Obviously Jamaican in me, but at the moment, more time, it's been blessed, man. It's been blessed enough. The space that I've allowed them to have a little drink over the park or get drunk and I've had to pick them up. She's got to 19. This is amazing. Casey, by the way. It's all Casey. It's not Leah. Leah has been working since 17. Bless shop. It's all Casey. But Nash, as I say, she's now doing a UGC influencing and working for brands and at this party, that party, but getting herself home, staying fit. Conspiracy theorist, but to a point, you know what I mean?

10:00I think they are at that age. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you're discovering the world and now you're seeing that the world can be somewhat of a sinister place where you're like, oh, I thought everything was all, Do you know what I mean? I remember being that young Like in my early 20s And I was like Bro boy You know like This is I don't know if we actually Went on the moon you know And you know you get older And you're like Listen maybe they did Maybe they didn't I don't know man I've got bills to pay you know This is it mate This is it It's not affecting my life Right now Casey Lilly become a freedom fighter boy She was all up in class Like The teacher's racist And all this Yeah yeah yeah I was like Casey Drop it out Drop it out mate You see like with your kids where they've all got like a, they've all, they all seem like they've all got like their hobbies and their interests and stuff.

10:47Do you see a lot of that stuff in yourself? Cause I know you used to do, you used to produce music back in the day. Yeah. I started again recently. Yeah. Yeah. No, but like you are very understated about your music production. You're not like, and brother, you, you was, you were producing tracks with like, with like Skepta on it. Them kind of people. Skepta. But any time, like, I feel like it gets brought up, you're very like, yeah, you know, yeah, yeah. Because it's years ago, bro. You just don't. You know what it is? There's a lot of things, football as well, like football, music. But you know what it is?

11:22I think with football, because, like, you do the stuff with, like, the filthy fellas and, you know, you do content and stuff, we do also relate that to you as well. Do you know what I mean? But music. It's almost like you could tell someone and go, yeah, come on. Come on, mate. No, because there was a little bit, I can't, it's a tough one because I didn't make a lot of money. There's not much history. Like, so it's just my words. You know what I mean? It's just my words. But if you know, you know. Yeah. Like there's DJs that have bought my vinyl, like mine and P Jam's vinyl. I worked with a guy called P Jam a lot of the time.

12:03I think I only done one release really on my own, a little remix I'd done. from a Majestic tune. Majestic, I used to do stuff with Majestic, still do now to this day, behind the scenes. But yeah, there's people that have got mine and P-Jam's records and they're sending me vinyls and whatnot, or I think it was, I don't want to say Jay Fresh. There's a guy I follow called Jay Fresh. He might have played one of my tunes or he might not, but someone that does that sort of thing where they go through old vinyl, they put up one of my tunes and people in the comments say, what, Steve? What are you doing?

12:36What are you doing? What are you doing? I used to grime, yeah. What did you make music on? Fruit Loops. Fruit Loops. Fruit Loops, mate. Yeah, Fruit Loops. But I had a lot of plugins, obviously. So, and this is where the whole rumor, or it's not rumor because I said it, to be honest with you, but this is where I Made Power comes from, yeah? So, my brethren, Dex Blissett, we was in a collective called Beat Camp, which usually at the time you had a collective of MCs and a DJ. We were just all producers. so we was going around we went to kiss he was going to one extra and um again it was around the time when power had come out and pjam was probably known more dex had done loads of stuff for social circles and he'd released stuff and he was unreal but pjam amongst sort of like the cameos and um logan sammers and that was a known so he we know what let's do this we'll bring dex to the studios and let people know that this is the guy that made power because no one knew his name at the time.

13:35So that was wicked of PGM to do that. But from that, yeah, Dex, they put a face to the POW and then the rest is history. 20 years, 26 years later, the geezers are absolute legend in grime, right? Dex Blissett. But a lot of the sounds that he used to use, he gave me my first sound pack. So a lot of the tunes that I made were all like sounds from POW and sounds from tunes that Dex Blissett had made. and a few of them got signed a few of them got signed to Relentless and Virgin and the rest of it Big Up Cameo used to always put my tunes on these compilations so yeah when there were certain times I would do tunes people that sounds like Dex Bliss's beam because that beam and there's not much you can do with it it was like that and a couple of snares and a couple of claps or whatever you know what I mean so later on 20 years later I'm now on the thing and I'm saying I made Pau but it's because at the bottom of the the writing went on the label, on the record, it says, association with Beat Camp.

14:37I'm Beat Camp. There you go. That's it. But then Specs, like an idiot, goes to Lethal B and says, Steve, I said he made pal. You know, Lethal's like, what? Like, what? To be fair, he handled it good and I see him in there and we're all good and now he says, he goes along with the joke, yeah, Steve made pal. I didn't make pal, but the explicit, he was in my collective, he made pal, he's the guy behind the rhythm and we were all there with him at the time. It was a great journey. Jay-Z's bloody coming out to his tune, spitting over it and stuff like that. You know what I mean? And we're all there.

15:09Me, P-Jam, Vital, and another guy called Skills who ended up going to make tunes for computer games. Oh, wow. These men were musical. The explicit was musical, Skills, musical, P-Jam, Vital, was bass. I was just there for the ride. The man that used to bring me and I made a couple of good beats out of it. You know what I mean? That's why I never get too high. I was around some wicked people I was going to Terra Danger's house And I was around Jammer And all these people I was too scared to even get my CD out at the time Like I just had no confidence And that's the same with football And the same everything It's not like now Now I'm like You know what I know what it done No but football You were semi You were pro You were a professional You weren't even semi pro You were a professional Yeah but I wasn't confident Late in Orient Late in Orient yeah Who else was there Did you play for Hornchurch?

15:56Played for Hornchurch yeah Played for Hornchurch Went on loan there from Orient Barnet Who else I played for? Newport County One of my last teams Boringwood These are when I went Non-league But at the higher end Of non-league I know it's the Port West Hamble Did you ever play for them? No I wish I wish I would have loved that Who was you at youth level? QPR QPR Yeah I played for QPR As a kid Wicked In fact just recently So my cousin Justin Cochran He's the assistant manager Assistant coach For England So we had a welcome party Welcome back party from the other day. Oh, that's the black brother.

16:31That's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Justin, yeah, yeah, yeah. See, that's Matt. I don't know his name, but he's there, isn't it? With Tisho and their man. Right there. So he's Thomas Frank's assistant as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Amazing. But he was in the youth team at QPR. So we had a welcome back party the other day. Even ZZ's there. She's family. She's in the same clique as all of us. ZZ Mills? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it? That's her cousin. She's family. Oh, okay. She grew up with Justin's little sister. Best, best friends. Oh, wow. Okay. So we're always at the same family parties, trying to do the candy.

17:05Well, I am. Them not knowing how to do it. Do you like to do the candy, though? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm bad. Anyway, but we was there, and a few of the old guards from QPR was there, as well as Mikel Ledgerwood. He was at Wimbledon at the time. Stephen Cabar. Crystal Palace. So we were all there, just reminiscing on the old times and how much it's changed. like you'd be considered a bully now things that went down in the dressing room you'd definitely be considered a bully now yeah so we were just talking about the change and how far Justin's come like Justin has a little story on his debut he got sent off in a minute yeah what did he do in one minute?

17:45he was some high kick it might be a couple of minutes but I think it was the minute he come on after a minute he got sent off for QPR but yeah he was a great player but even better coach really really really good coach man so like when you start doing like your steve o the madman stuff right and when i say stuff i don't mean to like belittle it but i mean in terms of like when you start putting your life on snapchat you start showing us your family and stuff aren't there isn't it is it true that like you was doing a sketch and armed police came yeah mo this is before we knew about permit. We knew about any of that.

18:29So I thought of a sketch, me and Hack, Man Like Hacks, used to be called Love for the Ink, but he's Man Like Hacks now. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're doing, as well as Nigel, Stephen, let me not forget the boys, because all my boys used to help me at the start. They were my crew. They were the extras. They were the directors, producers. So we're doing this one sketch, how to avoid getting robbed, which by the way, the actual sketch I can't even say how you avoided it I'd be cancelled now but it's that sketch so me loving my realism get my BB gun this BB gun what was it it's the one Desert Eagle the one they had in Snatch yeah but it's got no usually if you have a fake gun it would have a little orange but if you remember the one yes we grew up with we've all got the yellow orange tip this had none so this one looked real I was so proud of it that it looked real when people would come round and be like, they'd look at it, drop out.

19:26Yeah, all of that. I love my gadgets, you know, yeah. So, yeah. So I said, you know what, let's do this sketch. So we go out and obviously people see a sketch and you're talking them times, they're 15 seconds. There was, it was a sketch. It was after Vine. It was about the 15 second time. But we're out for an hour. So we're out, Bally's, on my estate, looking like we're robbing someone. Yeah. dragging me. So yeah, so they're all dragging me. And obviously the man, them, Steven and that lot, probably clipping me. I'm like, bro, watch out, man. Don't take the piss, bro. Like, shut up, man. So it looks like the man are bullying me.

20:04Yeah, trust me, bro. Anyway. And then, so we finally get together, we get this sketch together. Okay, this is it. We've got to shoot it now. And I do it. Look, I said, oh, there's police, because you could only get in one way on this estate. I was like, oh, police just drove past. I went, nah it can't be for us I said no carry on carry on carry on so we do it just as we finished get off probably get the take that I liked then you hear nobody move arm please get down this guy's a swore way too much Scottish guy like as soon as you drop the gun if you're arm please and you're trained within that you should know there's a sound of a fake gun yeah yeah oh my god well he didn't yeah it went crazy cut a long story short I won't cut this bit short Hack Hack Hack who had all the tats at the time I thought he was a bad man innit yeah he tells me from Hackney but then he'll meet someone from South he's from South London then he'll meet someone from North he's from North yeah I should have clocked back then anyway but that's Hack yeah you know Hack you know him innit so you know Hack innit that's what I'm talking about the chats yeah so these times I'm thinking he's like some bad man yeah I'm like you know what we might even be able to take the armed police on with Hack with Hack here yeah bruv you should you should have heard Hack My head, like, he went down the worst out of all of us, bro.

21:22We had even Greek Nick of us. Greek Nick's a sweet boy. In the video, Nick, go, man, what's my trainers? Like, what's my jeans? Like, he's that sort of guy. Hack's screaming more than Nick. He went down like he was diving, rude boy. So yeah, I always tell you what, take the Nick out of Hack with that. Because in the video, you're hearing, and his voice breaks. Incredible. But yeah, so no, but it was deep. It was deep. And if, I say it was me, but it might have been, what am I talking about? It was Hack again. So Hack's like, don't worry, they're fake. And he goes to hand the police officer the gun like that.

21:57But where I'm standing in front of the police officer, he said if he had a clear shot, he would have shot him. Which is a bit mad because they're plastic guns and we're doing a sketch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we've got balaclavas around our face like it's the Western times. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Trust me, it's like, we are not robbers in daylight. Like I've got a big leather jacket on Averex with fur. We're not robbers, mate. Yeah. Yeah. but I understand your job serious. And at the time I was a bit like you punks, this, that and the other. Um, I could have sold the video. I could have made, I could have gone on Ellen.

22:27I could have, cause it was around the time the kid had got shot in America having a plastic gun. Okay. Yeah. It was that same time. So I could have, I said, you know what, at the time, this is what, 2014, 15. I said, I am not letting that, my thing, I'm funny. I've, things I do this I'm not letting that be the thing that gets me known um so I just allowed it done eight hours in the cell showed them how to show them my videos luckily because they wouldn't usually let you get your phone to the police cell eight hours oh wow yeah eight hours bro because it's still imitation yeah it's still illegal what I've done it's not like I'm like oh they're idiots I had it's still walking around with imitation guns you know what I mean so they was in their right mind I'm not so I'm saying I could again I could be like f the police this that and the other but I'd done wrong.

23:11I should have permits. I know now, you know what I mean? But I didn't know then. But yeah, that was a mad time. And even my mum, just even before she passed, she thought it was a set up. I said, no mum, that's it. I said, mum, that was true. No wonder you didn't take my call. Don't bother me, Kevin. Yeah, I'm like, I'm trying to get me out of prison there, babe. You know what I mean? But yeah, she thought it was a joke all the way up until she passed. Everyone did. Like there's still people that think it was a sketch. I wish. Yeah. Could you imagine then if I had the money to be getting armed with police guys, like police dogs.

23:47There was dogs and everything. Like, nah, nah, nah. It was the stupidity on my behalf, you know what I mean? But, again, years, you're still talking about it how many years later. So, it done something, but, you know, I didn't use it to take me. To be like your thing that propels you. No way. No, people would now. People get a video now like that, a police stop or something like that and that's that's it but I'm just so far I'm coming from the original era of you had to be whether it's music whether it's film whether it's you had to be whatever it is you're trying to be and I was trying to be funny yeah you know what I mean so you had to be funny and we done alright at that time I think what's really interesting about your story though is that because you was like a van driver as well you started doing videos in your van yes to then you showcasing, you know, your life, which was like reality TV, but in a way that we hadn't seen it.

24:49Because it's like, oh, I tune into this like a TV show. Nah, it was good times. But it's real stuff. It's not like, oh, this is not really happening. To the point where you've even said to me like, oh, people think this is fake. And I'm like, this is actually happening. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Emma was really mad, yeah. So yeah, it was in the van and it... Therapy's biggest impact doesn't show up in some dramatic breakthrough. It shows up in the smallest moments. You bite your tongue instead of escalating. You put your phone down instead of firing off that text. You say what you actually mean instead of what would hurt someone else the most.

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27:05I'll be real, mate. It was me conceding. I'm not a footballer no more. I'm not a producer. The time of me thinking I'm going to be some sort of entertainer and popular and famous and all the rest of it, because that's what my mum always told me I'm going to be. I said, you know what? I've given up. What I need to do now is actually go and get a stable living for my family. because Emma had gone there, there, everywhere with me. No matter what I did, Emma will be there with me. So yeah, got in the van, pickup truck, and just found that every day was just like, and this is trying to think what, I think I started with Vine.

27:49I might have been even doing little clips of Vine, but they were more six-second sketches rather than how I ended up doing it, where it turned into what they would call now a vlog. But it was just little clips. I used to do 10 second clips at a time, six to 10 second clips. But I felt in the, in, I found in the van that every day was different. I mean, all these different characters. I'm in the yard with these boys that that's with the greatest. They're the soul. They're me on steroids. You walk in, there's a dick out. Yeah. You turn around, it's on your shoulder. Like, who's had that dick get there today?

28:24Like these men were the magicians. Yeah. Trust me, bro. They were the best. Jimmy Chris all these guys right D-boy I miss them all I miss them all I can't even say people knowing back home will know my character well I say character he'd end up being a character but it's Dan and he had a story every single day Dan he had these Timberland boots I used to film just the people around me it was never really about me it was my day but it was the people I came into contact with whether it be the people that are buying the cars or whatever and then I had a guy with me at the time again it's quite serious but like Nigel was homeless and all the brethren's had I had had a time with him before and I had enough of him Is Nigel your cousin?

29:11No no no he's Sierra Leone a Nigerian he couldn't be I'm Jamaican Who's your cousin? Everyone say that I look like him Oh Leon Leon I used to go to festivals and people were like hey hey you know Steve-Os He loves it Let me tell you, before we were fast forward, there's times I say, shut up, man. Mo, Mo. Shut up, man. Then when we see Mo, and I said it, he's like, yeah, yeah, go YouTube coming up, like, reposting it. Do you know what's mad? Because people do the comparison, but when I look back, we didn't look alike. The same high top, the little bit of moustache. You both changed now. He's got different hair.

29:50Yeah, yeah, yeah. Enough times people will be like, hey, Leon, you know, Steve Boles, cousin looks better like you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's still, he's around still to this day. But Nigel, yeah, he was homeless at the time. So he used to stay with me. He come and stayed with me. And by staying with me, he used to have to come to work with me. Nigel's not a worker. I think he works now. But for the first 30 years of his life, he was not a worker. So he used to come out and then it would just be like me sending him on a task, even just to get the ramps out. I'd be there and it'd be like 20 minutes.

30:30Then I would come back. I'll go to the back of the van. I said, Nige, what are you doing? He'd be like, I don't know. And it'd be just like a clip. I said, but why didn't you come and get me? Like, I don't know. So I was like, oh. And we've always said that if we filmed Nige, it would be a show. So I said, you know what? I'm just going to film Nige. So I used to film Nige and yeah, that's us two become a thing. And that was the first season. I call them seasons. So season one is me and Nige. season two nights leaves me like he's had enough he's had enough he's got a job he's found somewhere to stay he don't need me no more so he leaves me in the lurch at the time so then I start saying to Emma like I'm filming him and she's like F off like you ain't filming me and I was like oh the voice sounds good so I just started filming my perspective my face on what she was saying because you didn't show her no was there ever a time where you did show her by accident oh no at the start she'd have been on there because it wasn't a thing yeah Emma I see in fact there's a one On my It's probably still on my Instagram Where she's on there And I left it on purpose It's like an Easter egg Yeah If you go deep enough On my Instagram Emma's there Because I think that used to be the thing Like what made people so intrigued Is that you know You're a document in your life And your family And it was always funny But then it's like That was like A thing that felt like a TV show Yeah You never got to see The person Cow and the chicken, bro.

31:55Cow and chicken. Tom and Jerry's mum. Yeah. It was always like that. I think it was Arrested Development. No, no. Home Improvement. Home Improvement. Over the Fence. Over the Fence. Something that I was original with, but there's something that it worked in my favour because she's got such a strong voice. She goes out now and people at counters recognise her voice. Are you Emma? And they look at her feet. She's got long toes. Also, she's got the girls' names on there. And they're like, I've showed her feet. so many times feet have got could have their own Instagram page I keep telling her that I say Em you gotta make some money you know with them feet with them long toes I know I've cussed them for years but them long toes could bring you some non-money right now so yeah she gets recognised because of the voice she's got a very distinctive voice I've told her at the time you say it to her but now you look back you're like Em you should have done voice acting like if people would have heard your voice on an ad it'd be them like they'd blow up they'd be like Em has voice trust me she had the voice and she still could Get a bit croaky Now we're getting older You know what I mean So from Emma You think like Her voice from then To now has changed It's changed a bit To be fair But She was the voice So season two Was me And Em And me showing Sort of like Me With this mixed race Family Who At the time You think like You're living in Squalor Like because You're in the council You're this It's not great You get high one time And you eat the you drink your Cadbury Sun kid ain't got no lunch yeah it was it was them them times then yeah I got high a lot and I drunk the kids drinks and at their crisp many many times yeah okay and that's what it would be and then Emma would moan at me and then I'll just prep man I'll just press record this is the time you have to hold your thumb on it yeah I'd have my thumb on it and she's like get your thumb off that phone but I'd be laughing then I'd go and do my retrospective which in to To me, it was like either a big brother diary room or it'd be your retrospective interview.

33:55I'd go out and it'd be me sort of, or Ron's bath, you know, he would do it in his bath. That'd be me at the end of the night and I'd go through the day and that would be clockwork for four years. I didn't do, I'd take a day off. Every day I filmed inside that flat, then I'll do my respective retrospective sort of look back on the day at the end and then people would interact. I would interact back. Sometimes they'd make me go and do the story again with Emma like because he'd be like you didn't say this Emma said this early I'd be like oh yeah then he'd carry on so you'd be you'd be getting an hour a day like minimum and people would hold their thumb on that thing for an hour you know so that was season two just introducing them to the family season three now this could be something so now Emma goes back to work Emma goes back to work and I hit this I quit my job in the van and I'm a stay at home dad so was this this time when you was doing stuff on Snapchat was it starting to become lucrative no no no no we ain't lucrative yet we're still like remember this is I've been doing this for such a long time when I say we're into season 3 we're still only in 2015 2015 but then I start Filthy Fellas around that time meet the likes of Tigo you're like one of the core members of that right I am now but before there was it's weird because before I was a new guy you know what I mean I was a new guy you had Davood Po Scribbs Boat Some real legends Some real legends In that football world Craig Mitch You know what I mean There was a young guy as well He went university Ross Yeah yeah yeah I remember Ross Yeah I don't know mate They were all in the same We were still in the group All of them All in the group still So Obviously you see What's going on now With filthy fellas And that We're still actually A good core It's just a few people Don't get on You know what I mean?

35:48And they're the main figures really. So it looks like it's the whole batch of us that don't, but that's a whole nother story, man. So yeah, no, it wasn't lucrative then. But by 2016, after a year of being with filthy fellas, this new football space opens up with, to be honest, JD and Tigo rewind at the helm of that, as well as Pro Direct. There's a couple of guys at Pro Direct. They're probably watching this. I can't think of their name, but them two were doing bits for Pro Direct as well. I felt like ProDirect was starting to do content with footballers and, you know, like content creators. This is before that.

36:25These were those two presenters. That's what I'm saying. So I don't know their name. Then they go into Chunks and My Man, you know what I mean? And then that's when ProDirect goes, but they've now pulled out of football now. ProDirect literally just recently pulled out of football. Really? Yeah. Football content. They're still going to do their boots and whatnot, but they're not doing the content. It's all content they're doing. I don't know I guess when there's a release comes they might do a little sight sight but they're not doing the everyday thing that I do say with Liga 72 or nothing like that that was there was a prominent time where every brand had their content creators and it all come from the JD football all come from that so yeah 2016 that's when I first get my first paid job 200 quid to go and host so I'm behind the scenes at the first

37:17Sidemen YouTube All-Star game Oh wow So I'll go and do it That was my first ever Where was that game? Southampton Southampton Yeah Southampton Yes Southampton First ever won 20 ,000 And I look at them now Yeah Wembley So That was that And then I'd done well with that Because these times I'm raw Like I am People Until I watch videos now I didn't understand The jokes and how raw I was, even talking, how I talked in front of my kids and that, although that's what happened. And that's what the whole thing was. This is how I am in front of them. Like, but I teach them that's wrong. That is bad. Emma, like me and Emma always had, if mummy swore, I could say, Em, don't do that.

37:59There was always a voice of reason in the video. Always that that was my one thing. You get people now and you watch a HS TikTok live stream and you'll have all those geezers in the house and it's so entertaining. But I feel like there's sometimes no voice of reason. You've always got to have a voice of reason and I find Harrison's always having to come out after and sort of like say this, that and the other. But if he was in the actual content saying at the time, it sort of gives it a different, you get away with a lot. So whether it was me saying a madness and Emma saying, you can't say that, or Emma doing it and I saying, you can't say that.

38:31Or even sometimes the kids recognising right from wrong. It was always a voice of reason. And as I say, the kids have got older now and they're really level-headed kids. But at the time it was a madness. So when I get the JD sort of call up, it's commercial. Can Steve-O do this without swearing, without being racist? Like I was always doing a racist joke, whether it be to myself or to Emma or to whoever. I was always doing something that was just below the line, but that was my comedy. And that's what I loved. And that's what I grew up watching. Eddie Murphy and all Dave Chappelle. These men were always doing a madness, you know what I mean?

39:08For the love of comedy. Why do you think you've never done stand-up? Because I feel like you would be perfect for stand-up Nerves Really? Yeah I do want to Because you don't give off a nervous vibe though I think you generally are perfect for stand-up comedy Because you are afraid You're not afraid to take You know what I mean? Like the piss out of yourself You can be self-deprecating But you can be funny off the cuff Thought about it many, many times And who was I talking to recently? Because one of my friends, I said, he, who did that? Loons. I said, loons. Because I'm telling you, he's my little side project, but he's a madman.

39:50And he would end up cussing poet or whatever, like, on Twitter. And I'm like, bro, have you let me down? But this geezer's funny. And he's funny. Football knowledge is a joke. So I'm like, you know what? I said to him, loons, bro. I said, I've done a whole speech when he was away in America. And I said, you know what, peeps? I said, this guy, like, I don't think he knows it, but he's super funny but in control of it as well I see it I've been with him long enough to know he knows what he's doing anyway so I said to him I said you do stand up he's like nah nah nah I said there's open mic I said if you do it I'll do it so if he does it I'll even get out of my own fear and I'll go and jump on maybe there's two people because probably only two or three people are going to be there I don't do it I do my Mo Gilligan and friends now and if you lot want to jump on in the middle section and do five minutes maybe then the offer is always there I'll let you know so if I text you and say bro I've got Mogulian friends because it's a brunch show as well packed nice 300 people but it's a good vibe do you know what and you know what there's people that come up and I'm like I'll come up and tell a joke that's part of the segment I've seen that the Asian brother 8 million views you know yeah I know he ends up being a comedian after I see him that's what I'm saying bro he's gone for it I see it there were people commenting on that post Jamie Foxx Yeah And I'm like They don't even comment on mine Yeah So that was like Look And that's what we do There's some people that jump up And I'm like Do you do stand up And they're like Yeah I said Well do you want to come next week And do like five It's like I thought about But you know what Like I used to do A lot of my stand up Was on my snap And it's different Obviously I'm not standing up A lot of time I was laying in bed But A lot of the jokes So I do a whole segment And there's like Three different videos on growing up in Enfield in the 90s with the NFs.

41:44And the way I tell them stories, I always said if I was going to do stand-up, I could literally take that there and I could do that on stage. 100%. Well, I see certain comedians have taken that and they've done it on stage. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Certain comedians I knew didn't grow up in white area. But you know what? Once I put it out into the ethos, it's there, innit? So as a man, I've got to take it. And I've got, let me tell you, man, And I've got plenty of content that I could go back on and look and say, you know what, I can change that. Because I used to just go off, like, I used to talk to Jesus and ask him about my kids, where they're going to be.

42:20It's all like how Mike Epps spoke to Jesus. I've done one. Again, I wouldn't get away with it now. Please don't make my daughter all of that, you know, the ones there. But I've done so much things that at the time, in my head, I was like, you know what that could be changed and that can be stand up that if I was to go back I've got many stories of my mum I've got the actual live footage of my mum saying things and me interacting and it's a relatable that could be changed into um uh what do you call what would I call it not content um can be changed into what do you call your stand-up routine a routine a routine could be changed into a routine.

43:03But I was nervous, man. And then not only that, that was all a lot of my, it was never, I never written nothing in it. So when I'm telling it, it was all off the cuff, every facial, every movement. If I then try and get that into a routine, I probably lose the magic. I might not. And I can still write more. Do you know why you won't? Because there's something about the routine that once you've done it once and you get that audience that are on your last word, my favorite thing now in standup, I've done it a few years. When I was doing the clubs, it was like 15, 20 to get boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

43:37I'm hitting it. I ain't got time to let the room breathe. I'm just like, I just want to hit, smash, smash, smash. Now that I've been able to do my own shows and people know my style somewhat, I get to now enjoy the silence before the laugh. Best thing ever, where the room is so silent. And sometimes I have this weird out-of-body experience where I'm like these lot don't know what I'm about to say don't you know but that's also the pressure on me if I could say the wrong thing I've also had times where I've said it I've started over the word now the joke ain't banging or I've said it and it wasn't as clear as how I said it last time so now I'm like oh I didn't laugh that was meant to be funny or I've gone to other places in the world where they're like we don't I don't know what that is yeah that's true but I don't know what it is and I'm like you're not laughing because I see I listen to your jokes and I'm like I can relate to the point where I'm barely laughing water coming down you could just imagine that someone that didn't maybe they think it's funny but I can really relate yeah you know I mean so man and that's what I've always done with my stuff and that's why I was so open going back that's why I gave them the real um spill of what was going on behind my closed doors like no matter how trampy it looked because I knew there was a I just knew that I was gonna this was gonna succeed because I've been doing this not just since Snap opened I've been doing this since school it was always my biggest problem football everything I'm the class clown so this is nothing this is something I know this is never running out you know what I mean so it was all about how do I produce it that's all it come down to and luckily with Snapchat I found that's the greatest way to produce me and the people around me, you know what I mean?

45:24Which, by the way, my cast, my kids, my dog, my brethrens, it was just, I couldn't have asked for a better cast, you know what I mean? So, it was good times, man. You speak about producing. Wasn't BBC going to do a pilot? They did. We did. It was unreal, but then COVID came. Yeah, that was a shame, man. Like, that was such a shame. So, we'd done the pilot. We wrote it and I ended up going into this writing room. What was that experience like For you going to a writer's room Well I forget her last name But it was a woman called Sarah And she had Wrote for The Office Which is one of my favourite Programs right The English version And then you had Jovan Prince Who was obviously in Phone Shop And Again His His Show that he done I think the Jovan Prince show It was called was unbelievable yeah sketches on there oh my god there was one sketch where it was like set in like the 1400s and they were on carts and the police stopped them and it was like yeah man like he's a genius so I'm now in the writing room with these two and then I've bought a guy that had helped me shoot the pilot that got us the pilot and that's Jason and they tried to get him off by the way and I said no way he's the team he's you don't understand he's the reason we're here along with myself I told Oh, I fed him my life and he's helped me pull it.

46:50And this is a together thing. So I didn't let them get rid of it. So Jason's in there as well. And then they teach me on this board on how to construct an episode. I think it was like three, like there's only three moments you really need to get them to laugh. I'm trying to, because I'm Snapchat, every 10 seconds has to be laughed. Otherwise it's a failure to me. It was like three moments, three moments. So I learned all of that. And we constructed this amazing episode. It was Erin's birthday. Where I'm being tight, we've done it at a workers' man club, a racist workers' man club, but only half of it because I couldn't afford the whole thing.

47:33Time's a hard, rare, tear, tear. But then COVID come, we couldn't film inside. So that messed up things. Then there was a scene with Nasty where, obviously, with Nasty you've got to put weed in it, you know what I mean? And then they wouldn't let us do this. And I'm like, do you know that I've just filmed with crackheads next door? And I'm literally filming them sometimes taking fucking crack and stepping over them. And like Emma's, I'm actually, Emma actually thinks I've cheated and she's saying this and it's all real stuff. And now I don't mind that it's going to become a program, but you're not going to let the program be raw.

48:09Like, well, the in-betweeners have done that. they're having arguments with uh people that they shouldn't be in things that they like how can they get away with it now you're telling me that i can't emma's not even allowed to swear yeah that is that's a massive part of it emma can't swear i need to get a chaperone for my own kids what's going on there this this is this is horrible yeah anyway so on top of that as i say covid come so then we have to hold change up the whole thing um so we film it outside they still went they still done it for me but we filmed it outside it wasn't didn't hit as as good as it should have hit it was still amazing for me this is still my dream that I created in a van that I was this the one that was on Sky?

48:54no no no no this is until we come to that later on this one never I've got the trailer the pilot I've got it there just never came out a new woman had came in a new head and she just bought one of their own ideas or anything else that had been commissioned before you know how it goes reset see you later so that's there that's there and it's still good there's still some moments I think I might still cut it down and do what what's his name not quite is it Kwame from Hood documentary what's his name oh yeah yeah yeah yeah what he'd done he'd it'll come to me in a minute yeah yeah right cool what he had done with that is he'd chopped it down put the clips out as little clips and that got him the main thing anyway Coyote Coyote sorry not Kwame Coyote right so I'm thinking maybe I might do because I own it I own it along with Dice so it's our footage right we can after a year you're allowed to do whatever you want with it so I'm still thinking about it because there's still some jokes in there like my auntie like there's jokes in there that have been brought from my snap like Aunt Winnie Aunt Winnie's in there these are characters that I'd built up over years so I just don't know if I these characters can still get used without people knowing so it's still something in me that wants to do it so I don't know what I'm going to do with that footage but so that was the BBC one you're talking about but yeah the Sky one was a different one that we got years later and again I had to times had changed then so we had to do it a little bit different and we done it there because we're in a new streaming world now and I've done it like it was a stream but again considering it's from Snapchat and I can go back to comments and people saying What is this?

50:38Like, this guy, this guy thinks this is good or whatever. I've got this little, you know, it's like comments, comments. So to see that that then gets commissioned, not once, but twice. Yeah. You know what I mean? Do you find it hard with like the restrictions you have on television where, when you're trying to make something like this on a pilot and they're like, you can't have this, you can have this, you can, you can do this, but you have to do it like this. where so you're so used to being like bro i get the camera it's facing this way it flips and we record like horrid horrid for me because another thing i used to film the public the public could be in on my joke like or part of the day you know i mean and you can't do that without getting people to sign off now and like just yeah as i say the swearing that was a massive part if you know how many people related to emma swearing and said my mom's like that my dad's like that um then to be able to do a show where she she couldn't swear

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53:40didn't make no sense it takes the what's the word i'm looking for do you know what it's like it takes the core ingredients that yeah massively and then you got me and you've got a member from when i first wanted to do this to now the way the landscapes change like it doesn't even work now like it became some watered down which listen you've got to remember there's two ways of looking at it steve roda's got a show with sky like and he said he would do this 10 years ago um he never gave up and he got there so there's that side of it and the people that produced it um wolf comedy wolf entertainment and like these guys in this space had looked up to me and it was just a big full circle when they done their speech at the end i cried and my kids cried it was incredible um but then you look at the creative side of it and it's like jesus christ man my hands were tied they were so some of the jokes i wanted to do like and they said let's go and do them you might be able to get them in they never got they never got in none of them got in you know i mean but i remember there was a stage where we're writing um the kids and i'm letting them write um because oh that's what used to happen when I'm on my snap Leah would come and say dad you know at school that this is the word that they're using now and then I would do a whole day when I'm using that word and they're saying cream they're calling me cringe because I'm trying to talk like them or whatever you know I mean but that would come from Leah telling me that this is in dad you should do this on snap you know I mean so when it got down to it when it was the writing we've written I've got them to write bits and there's one um there's one part in there where it's about farting and it it was Leah.

55:20Leah had wrote that. Leah had wrote that metaphor. And it was like, so there's so many amazing bits to come out of like the snap turning into a little series and whatnot. But the actual, the creative, my hands were tied. Yeah. You can't say much. how many Snapchat followers do you have? Because I think if I can remember rightly, there was a time where I felt like you had to judge snap by how many views you got, because you couldn't really see the followers. And I don't really, I don't, I probably go on there maybe once a year to use like one of the filters or whatever. But I don't really use it.

56:00But I think when I did go back on it, it was like, oh, you've got this many followers. And I was like, oh, okay, cool. Yeah, they changed it up. See, imagine that, man. How many followers do you have? I think last time I checked, I turn it off. Turn it off. I turn off likes on Insta. I don't look at all of that. It just, because there's videos I don't even know how many likes it's got or anything like that. And to me, that's an amazing video. And if you used to turn it on, it's like, oh, only 100 people liked it. Yeah. That don't make no sense. Yeah, people definitely judge. Yeah, right. So I'll turn it all off.

56:30So the last time I checked, the Snapchat woman, Julie, big up Julie, she told me I had 1.3 million. Yeah, 1.3. But man, this is over. I started that account in 2012. Half the people ain't even on there no more. You're one of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just said you're on there once a year. You know what I'm saying? So, bruv, listen, all that matters is my core. And how many, how many views are you getting, like, per video? Because you're putting up a whole, what I realise with Snapchat, is you have to keep, it's not like a, Instagram story, three posts, it's like, it's a whole day. Yeah, it's a whole day.

57:0724 hours. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's, so, at my peak, or at its peak, so you go in, I'd say this is just after, moved house. I'm in this new house. Just after COVID, I was getting a million per snap. Two million. Oh my God. By then, Mo, it wasn't monetised. Yeah. If that was monetised, you wouldn't have got me today, brother. You would not have got me today. I'll be honest with you. I'm just keeping it real. I'm here. Yeah, man. That was amazing times. You know what I mean? It was like the power in the palm of your hand, you know what I mean? But it was not monetized and it was great. And this is what I was going to say.

57:52It's like, imagine being able to just do that and not worry about views. Yeah. That like, you know what I mean? And not that time after COVID when it's all views and people and all that, but prior, all those years when I probably had a million, didn't even know I had a million people on there because I used to get so much views. Like it would be like 60 million to a hundred million a month views on my snap. and that sometimes there's people viewing it twice and in fact people tell me they'll view it like eight times they go through it through it so I had a lot of that so I don't know how they work out the views if it's one individual I don't know there was actually there was a unique viewing as it goes number next to it all and it was still higher but I don't know how they worked it all out but I didn't care like literally how I snapped when I had 40 people watching I snapped the same is when I had the two million watching.

58:45And you were selling merchandise on there as well. Merch. Although my first loads of merch didn't sell. People don't know this. You know what I mean? My first hats didn't sell. I had a picture of me on there with a gap. Yeah, that didn't sell. Then I'd done the funny gets fanny. That was my slogan. Emma hated that. But it was true. You know what I mean? But that didn't sell when I had that on hats. And then one time, then I met again. Where was I? So I started doing stuff for Marvin Morgan, an RIP for Fresh Ego. And he had one, he had a, he gave me a code. And at the end of each, say, he would do like a 70 % off, like a crazy sell.

59:27And he'd bring me in, he'd give me all the bits, like loads of bits, and I'd be wearing them in every video. And then I put up the code and there was one month or one time I'd done like 70 ,000 in sales for him from my snap. And that's when I said, I need to do my own hats again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I need to do my own hats again. And mate, big up him. He gave me the link to where he got his hats made. And then I started, yeah, started selling my hats and then look, there they are. Look, these are them still to this day. Although now I'm not with Starter. I was with Starter. I'm not with Starter now.

1:00:03So I walked away from them. Yeah, you gave me some of the hats, bro. I wear the hats, you know. You wear them, yeah. Bro, I'll wear the hats, bro. Yeah, they're decent hats, man. Definitely, because it's mad because you know what? sometimes you can give something to someone and you're like probably not gonna wear it but it's cool listen i anytime people give me stuff i wear this stuff you know so like you're someone that i feel like you you're doing a lot of stuff that one gets the attention of like a bbc and sky but then you have the creative constraints where you know they don't want emma to swear and all this other stuff but you're doing so much stuff you are directing producing you're you're writing you're exec producing where you're having to get a brand deal involved with them and and you're selling upon your your your story so like you see like where you are now in life is are you in a place where you still want to give the consumer the same thing that they want or is it like okay I've got to keep up with the times, but still feed this audience as I get older and as they get older.

1:01:15And I guess as well, you know, you must have so many people that's like, oh, I grew up watching your stuff. And now I've got my own kids and kids are into it. But also like I have so I can relate to your journey because you're a very relatable person. I think that's That's been like Your core gift Is that You got people out there That are like I'm just gonna sit I'm not even watching TV I'm watching Steve-Os Cause it's like television You sit there for an hour That's a whole TV show Mate I had it Mo This has got a member as well I don't wanna be That guy's like Oh man I wish Them days Them days I look back on them days And I'm like I got to do it I got to Be me and share it and people relate to it and love it.

1:02:06And it helped. And like, I got, I was at the pinnacle and yourself, we was at the pinnacle of social media, man. Like, so yeah, I look back fondly and I don't worry about now. Can I do it? Can I do it? Cause I'm now on a new thing. I'm sitting down interviewing Harry Redknapp. Like who was it? Crept One of my favourite freestyles Is last night in Lagos And he's like Look at where the music got me Look at where the snaps got me You know what I mean Like I just look at it like that man I'm just Like the other day As I say This ain't out yet But Harry Redknapp I've done an interview With Harry Redknapp Sean Dyche And Kevin Nolan Little round table thing that I do And I've done it with the footballers recently I've done it with Clinton Morrison And Defoe And Colton Cole And even that's like For me pinch myself because I'm a fan of football.

1:02:57But to have Harry Redknapp there and he's like leaning over, slapping him in and Daishi's like, me and Daishi are going to be doing something soon as well. Dude, I've got a new show coming with Tim Sherwood. Like, you know what I mean? So I'm like, I've got to be a rascal, as you would call it, and say the maddest of mad stuff. Like, do jokes. I can't even say the jokes. I don't want to get in trouble no more. But they're there. I think deleted nothing, a couple of things have been deleted, but there's some jokes that you can go and see how I was. And the progression, and the progression is, which everyone wanted me to do, Stephen, when they would see you do, oh, mate, you should be there.

1:03:38You should be on TV. Like, well, look, I'm in there, Pete. So I'm getting there. Chill. Let's come and support that. Like, don't be the one where it's like, oh, Stephen, we want to see you like that. You've got to see me like that for 10 years. Like, you ain't going to see no one else like that. no one else is going to be able to film their family with their missus tits down to their knees yeah big up em I loved her kick ups yeah in her pyjamas like because everyone would come on there now full makeup missus won't let you film because they know where it's going we didn't know that emma was going to go viral with her toes emma would never let me film her toes you know what I mean she would never let me film her without a bra on she had to get her bra on first but it was organic that's like I wouldn't I was filming without brushing my teeth for half the day without combing my hair.

1:04:24Like it was just so organic at the time. And now it's not, you know what I mean? There's still bits like we're going away next week. And that would be my little period to film again how I used to. Like when I do the Florida trips or you go and see, I'll do 30 million views in those two weeks easy because it's just me around the family and nothing ain't changed. We're still us, but it's just a new story. The story now is the boyfriends. Like the older boyfriend, and he's like six foot four, built like a brick shit house, walks around my house, no top on. What can I do? What can I do? He's strong.

1:04:58He's fit. Yeah. Think about me sometimes, boy, you know, because I ain't got that no more. Yeah. And you're just making me like an idiot in front of my kids. And I will pick up a tool if I have to. Yeah. He's a good kid. Sorry. I get carried away. You know what I mean? It's still there. It's still there. You know what I mean? So we're going away next week. So the core who have stuck around, they still get, they see it still. they will not like there will be like a comment and people will ask you know like when you they'll be like mate you didn't see your story the other day like but you just got to catch it now I might not snap for a day that would never happen before but when I do you might catch me having a barbecue and Emma's on cooking her food or whatever and I'm cussing again or whatever but there's not much I can cuss because Emma can cook now you know what I mean so but it's still going on so I'm just happy that I did progress I did understand that the wow factor ain't always it.

1:05:54Like, you've got to do the wow factor. Now, be smarter with it. You can still do your little jokes, but you can be a bit more coy with it. And that's the art there. You know what I mean? Because it's easy to come on and just be and cuss and say that about people or just be rude in general. I mean, we can all be rude. We can all be vulgar and we can all make people laugh in that way. But try and do it without. you know what I mean and that's the art in it and that's what I've had to like because all my jokes were always so crude and rude and that was where you used to get the laugh and that was it whether it be pulling down my trousers or whatever but I've shown recently with my League of 72 stuff there's there's intricate ways to still be funny you know what I mean and still like have your core happy you know what I mean so I always and I always perform to my core so I'll always do little jokes that only they will know like and if you don't know it I'm sorry because I've always done it like i could have said in captions my girl and it might have took the video a lot further but i said emma always i'm always it's for my core you either get the joke if you don't get the joke ask in the comments what's he talking about and find that but i'm not slowing down you can jump on it yeah i'm not slowing down for you to to figure it out it's just the core and we just keep the core growing you know what i mean so yeah oh steve it's been such a pleasure man but i feel like you know like your your flowers are so due because i think sometimes it's easy to forget how much you have had an impact on like uk content creator culture do you know what i mean where yes you you do content you create and stuff but you know what you do with filthy fellas what you do with your family and it's easy to kind of be like oh you know ksi on youtube and stuff and i'm only using him as as an example because he is one of the world's biggest but from here the uk but i feel like when it comes to things like snapchat no one can talk about snapchat in this country without having your name top three and i'm not talking three and two no no respectfully man i mean that i mean that from the bottom of the work in my no no you put working but it's like you've done something on on an app where people one relate to you to that app but still to this day people will still tune in but also you can still do it on instagram or tiktok or whatever it is but you have your core from where they know you from and where you've been able to make an impact and that's people watching it people that when i first started doing stuff and people was like oh yeah bro the geezer team man yeah that's like steve-o And even like Even when I was doing that stuff And you was like Oh big up Mo man He's doing his thing Rare tear tear Which at Which at that time You know People could be in your ear And say like Oh this boy is catting you You know Like Rare tear tear They did but man No but of course I think you know what it is I think in the UK We're so used to being A crabs in a barrel situation Which is like Nah but that's your thing And your thing And that thing Because we're so not used to Being like Oh right You know we can all thrive in this Trust me And also knowing that like, the people I know watch my stuff, watch your stuff.

1:09:12Do you know what I mean? When I go to one of your shows, it's my audience, it's my people. I remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got mobbed at the show. It's my people, mate. It's my people, yeah. But I think it's like, there's something like beautiful in knowing that. Like I know that my audience watch your stuff and vice versa. So if you say, Mo, like, love you to jump on the pod, it's a no brainer. Do you know what I mean? But also I just feel like, what you've been able to do without the yes I know you've done like your pilots and stuff but I think there's something kind of beautiful in the fact that like you're like well I've done that but this is the thing that really works because yes I've been able to see that side but the restrictions aren't giving us Steve-O the Madman back to basics they're just giving us Steve-O yeah and I think we want everything that comes with it do you know what I mean I've done one recently As it goes A stream Thank you by the way Thank you Thank you Thank you And People used to try Put you Me Michael Dapper And this That Bro It was just Again a beautiful time Yeah 100 % man A beautiful time That the UK Had these Geezers that come from The same place You guys come from man You know what I mean And by the way There's a load more out there As I say My mates There's plenty of my mates Out there That are like us bro You know what I've clocked though When I've done this World tour stuff And I travel when people say, oh man, you gotta come man, bring that Steve-O with you and like, yeah, we, so you, this small island goes so far.

1:10:43Even the people that listen to this pod, when I travel and they're like, oh, I live in this place and I listen to you and stuff. And it's the relatability where sometimes we can look across the pond and like, oh, like we should be doing what they're doing. But we, we kind of are doing it. We just don't know. Look at the garage. Bro, look at the, oh, look even recently. That's what I love, by the way, you. Like even recently, like, course you haven't got the time to put on all the wigs and all that you should do before and go fully out but bruv a caption and just a relatable yeah you got it bro you're sick you're sick bro and like what i was gonna it's the garage though and garage is ours so imagine that we've got a genre that's ours and you're telling a joke that is a space of the genre that none of the world No, it's our little thing, but it still stretches.

1:11:31You know what I mean? So for me, there's so much comedy in the UK and so much relatable sketches we can do that. Probably that we could expand on that garage one, like even from my pod, when you come on and that little one section that we've done on garage, the amount of views and engagement that got. Because again, it's such a predominant UK sound and part of the culture. You know what I mean? So I believe, and what I was going to say, to go back to the Steve-O, Steve-O the Madman, back to basics. I made a plan probably about two years after being M split to, I was like, again, we've been doing all this.

1:12:14I've been chasing for years. I've got to turn this into a TV show, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I said, mate, let me just go back to basics. And that was interacting with my people, seeing things and filming it and talking about as it comes. And in the meantime, I will think of the new way. And the new way was I've done a stream, live stream, five cameras, a retrospective hub, which was my hub where you could go and have your little interview, which would have been my garden. And so in my head, I created my house on a bigger version of how the flat used to be in the spaces where I could go and talk.

1:12:51And rather than have the one camera, I had, as I said, the four, got the family and created a storyline. And that's when I had the Colombian girl, my girlfriend, the gold digger. And I played that out. Family called it intervention. And this was done live. So that was the first time of me trying this new, like, can this work? How good are the family? And they smashed it. Like Leah, like she, she off the cuff dumb bits on there. And I didn't even know, like she went and got the girl, went into the hallway, the cameraman followed them and she had it out. Now people were saying like, oh man, this is, this is bad acting.

1:13:26And it's like, you don't even know what it's taking to do this live seven hour thing. Just sit back and watch. Cause what they were saying is bad acting for us. Cause like they were trying to, they were trying to just prove that they knew it was a show. yeah that's good well done because it is you're not no Einstein you know what I mean like it is a show and I'm glad you know it because a lot of my snaps again I got in trouble for you lot didn't understand the show now you understand it's a show yeah but the family smashed that but it cost where before I could do that on my snap this cost me like two and a half grand and as with people me doing doing me favours and all sorts you know what I mean so but that is my next one I'm going to be doing these live streams I've done two Let the medium come around and do a reading and, again, worked a treat.

1:14:17So I think that's going to be my new thing, doing the Steve or the Madman, the Madhouse. That's what the show's called, live. That's the next step for me. That was the only time recently, apart from the football content, that I'm like, my juices are flowing. And I'm like, there's so many ideas. Why don't we get this on? Imagine if this comes and he walks in and da-da-da-da-da. But now it has to have worked live. But in the midst of it, we're still doing game shows. We're still doing normal stream things, but running a story throughout that whole thing, which I'd started on my snap the week before.

1:14:49So I took her out on a date. This is the Columbia. I took her out on a date, done a couple of live things where she's asked me for bags and that. And people on the live stream were like, Steve, forget her, man. You need Emma back. She's a gold digger. They're all getting into it because they know the story. If it works and without people getting too like, oh man, this is, just watch the show. Just watch the show. You think you're clever because you wasn't clever for the last 14 years. Where you thought everything was real. So you're not that smart. So it's cool. But let's watch this show now because you're now about to see something that I think is not, I don't think, I ain't seen no one do.

1:15:26The only time I see live, I think EastEnders do live. They do it live. Remember every Christmas or whatever, they'll do it live. I'm sure there's been, there's Fresh Prince have done live sitcoms. So it has been, but it's at that level. On the stream, no one ain't doing what we've just done. And even now, as we speak now, I've been put up for a streamer of the year award at the NTAs. That's all now. Oh, wow. Yeah. I've streamed twice. Yeah, yeah. But it was just so impactful, that stream. People stop me now. What about your girlfriend, your Colombian girlfriend? I had girls messaging me. Oh, you got a girlfriend?

1:16:04I'm like, people don't even know. I told them, it was an actress. There you go. So that's an exclusive. Yeah. It was an actress. Even her, her family calling her. We had to keep it all quiet. But I told her, man, because for years I couldn't tell no one the craft behind what I was doing. Because I had to keep the story going. You know what I mean? But now, listen, we're at the stage where we're doing these pods and people can say things. Yeah, man, that was a show that I've created. There's actors in it, actresses. You won't know that one, you know. But in the one I've done next You wouldn't have known Where the actors And actresses were Like literally I'll tell you after But it's If this works This would be good Something good man But it just costs me I'm trying to get sponsorship For it But that's a whole Another story It's been a pleasure To have you on the pod bruv I swear to you You're sick At this I try my best bruv It's my It's my thing away from Sometimes like Like a telly Or like I don't know Stand up Where I can really Just reason with people Do you know what I mean I see recently with Dave Pachell, Dave Chappelle, Kevin, all the Netflix guys.

1:17:12Was Eddie Murphy there? Yeah, he was there. Brother, brother. And you're there and you've got a member, Mo. They watch you. They've seen your stuff. They've like, hang on, Mo, like you're funny. That bit was funny from you, man. So you didn't seem out of place, bro. Like you are, they're legends, innit? I'm not going to say you're Dave Chappelle, bro. You have to pay me a bit more for me to say that. yeah but bro you deserve to be in that room with them people there mate it's it's amazing to see and what we should be figuring out is how we get a little sitcom over here with the people that we know could actually cut it and do well hey well i've tried oh is it is it is it yeah no there you go hey man you know who you are oh is it yeah okay okay mate listen i'll give if we if you was to announce there's a sitcom and you said to me to audition or being or whatever i'd give my all man listen man it was it was there oh well if anyone's watching but it's been a pleasure to have you on steve my friend i really appreciate you and this has been your beginning minimum Thank you very much.

1:18:25Yes, brother. Sick. God bless you, man. Hey, what's up, people? My name is Mo Gilligan. I just want to thank you so much for listening and watching my podcast. Now, a lot goes into making this podcast, as you can imagine. I might be the person that's in front of the screen, but it's really about the people that are behind the cameras. And what I'd really appreciate what you could do for them is, one, give this a like. That would be great. Hype it up. That would be amazing. But most importantly, if you could subscribe, If you could just hit that little bit just there and subscribe. The reason why that helps is it helps us build a community, what people like, what they want to see more of.

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