K Trap Reveals The Truth About Drill Music

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0:31hey what's up people my name is mo gilligan and right now you're tuning into my podcast beginning middle and end and what a guest i have for you this week he's a pioneer of the uk rap and drill scene with an audience of one million monthly listeners and we get into absolutely everything the negative connotations that comes with drill music we speak about is he an introvert we speak about what it's like being recognised in the Maldives when you're playing tennis and also what you get in a Louis Vuitton Fashion Week goodie bag. Please, welcome to the podcast, the phenomenal, the amazing, K-Trap.

1:13Good to have you on the pod, bruv. No, no, thank you, man. I'm a big fan, bruv. You're going back on tour and stuff, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. How do you find touring? I enjoy it, bro, man. I enjoy it a lot, man. What about you, though? I think for me, that's like it's always has been the thing that I always wanted to do so now that I think that I get to do it I can't imagine my life without it if that makes sense yeah what's it like for you as an artist though when you're in these big shows and big stages and the pressure it's a different feeling man and I need to do more of it like it's definitely all the things that I can do in music like putting out music awards what not shows that definitely it uplifts you still yeah and it's a different vibration bro like to see like the reaction the people and all of that so yeah it's sick for me bro I used to be nervous actually you always got a bit of nerves but once you just get out there you just shake it off man do you get what I'm saying especially when you're interacting and everything's just going well isn't it I feel like I've I've shook off the early stages when I was doing like certain festivals or shows where I'm kind of trying to make a name for myself and I might not have the hits that I've got now.

2:29It was sometimes it got a bit dark. Yeah, yeah. When it's not really, no one's really hyped enough in it. But now I feel like, yeah, in the humblest way, anywhere I'm stepping out, bro, like, they at least know a few songs in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got that, like, you got your arsenal where you're like, I know, I guess it's like, what I always find musicians, where you must sit there and say, I know the tracks that I know. I feel like you want to hear, we'll get there but I need to also like as an artist like expand myself to perform this track perform that track but also like we'll get to the bangers does that make sense?

3:06facts facts knowing that is like next to none bro just knowing that you know what no matter how this is going I know I'm going to finish it yeah because now you're at London Fashion Week Paris Fashion Week and stuff like this man I really admire the way though in how like just from I think observing it from the outside where I feel like there's always been this connotation of a drill rapper or just I'd probably say just a rapper in general do you know what I mean but it's weird because fashion is such a big part of music I feel like they go hand in hand do you know what I mean and like seeing you at places like you know Louis Vuitton fashion weekend stuff like this how are you finding that kind of transition it's good man it's it needs to be happening in it like you said like fashion and music kind of goes hand in hand yeah yeah it's like yeah man people need to be seeing these looks and like you said like rapper or drill rapper however people want to put it like when they're seeing people like myself in these rooms and these buildings and next to different people it just gives people a different approach or different like and there's people like me that seeing me and thinking yeah like i can i can be there now because yeah yeah yeah definitely at one stage when i was doing music see that fashion week and stuff it didn't cross my mind it's like man's not allowed there yeah we're not allowed there and it's like why not if you've got a passion for fashion and you enjoy the stuff and especially if you're in the clothes or whatnot and yeah you're building and you you get invited down yeah I don't feel like it doesn't matter what genre or what you do or whatever as long as you're involved and what's going on here yeah yeah yeah do they give you free stuff I've never been to the Louvertone one I've never been to any of the big ones you know no they give you stuff they give you stuff there's levels I'm not gonna act like it's always been like that there's levels innit there's like yeah they give you stuff sometimes they may not they might distress you like it just all depends on relationship how you're there why you're there innit what's like the nicest thing you've ever got just little accessories still yeah a little accessory like like like like the the level what the pouches and stuff yeah yeah yeah some exclusive little wallets and stuff yeah i'll be honest pick them up because they actually yeah i've had a lot of presents from them still so easy yeah yeah so yeah facts good no but you're you're you're also very fashionable though yeah because i feel like your juxtaposition from when you used to wear the ballet and then you took it off.

5:44Yeah. Like, which is interesting now because I feel like, I feel like, you know, I've seen SD Kid. He was recently at one of the fashion shows with the ballet on. Yeah. And I feel like you took it off and you're at the shows. Do you know what I mean? As you, essentially. What was the decision in, in like taking it off? What was, yeah, what was even the reaction to that? What was the reaction? I'll say even like what you just said about, like with SD Kid and stuff, like it's crazy because now, yeah it's like even looking at things differently now that that's that's him in it like that's his look in it it doesn't look out of place yeah yeah yeah or when you see em huncho at fashion week it doesn't look out of place yeah yeah i feel like like when i first started and there wasn't really much to my to my balaclava or whatever it was it was just a little two pound balaclava from the market or something yeah just it just gave that kind of look that yeah i just didn't really want anymore do you get what I'm trying to say like that's why I really took it off like when I was wearing that first it was just because I didn't want to be seen it wasn't really my identity like do you get me and then I felt like now I want to take things a bit further I don't want to just be I want to be known for my work too yeah yeah and yeah like the fashion weeks and all of these type of things I didn't really see myself getting to these places how I was, isn't it?

7:08But if I was to choose, I would definitely want to show my face. I would definitely want to be at the Fashion Week showing my face, isn't it? Do you get what I'm saying? The first time I think I met you, I don't know if you remember this, I think I met you at Wireless. It might have been. I must have met you before then. I think that was the one though, you know. Maybe. I think I might have met you before, maybe in passing at somewhere. Yeah. Because I feel like it's very hard to say you meet someone at like an event because you're all there. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, what's up? cool and it there's a lot like going on but then i remember that specifically because i ended up in the music video you shot a music video oh i swear yeah yeah um who else is i think um young teflon's in that as well yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i remember that was yeah crystal palace wireless and i remember i don't remember if you if you remember this where I said to you, I was like, oh, what's up, Mo?

8:01Yeah, what's up? Cool, man. I said, oh, what's up, man? Yeah, I said, bro, love your chain, by the way, man. And I think I've said, I think I said it to you before, but your chain is one of the best, bro. The track with the K in it. Oh, yeah, yeah. That is so, how did this, so like, I'm so intrigued, yeah, because as a comic, I just, me like, wearing jewels or watches, it's just not what people associate with humour, if that makes sense. I've done it once. I remember I was wearing this gold Rolex. Listen, man. People would message me like, yeah, mate, the jokes were well, but how much is that watch?

8:38Like, it just doesn't associate itself with comedy. But like, I know as an artist, is there like a pressure to feel like, you know, when you have the jewels and stuff, is that, does that pressure come with that sometimes? Do you know what? I definitely feel like there's a pressure now, yeah. to get jewels and wear jewels because so many people have jewels. Because this piece is cold, man. Yeah. But me personally, if I'm honestly speaking, and thanks by the way, if I'm honestly speaking, I don't feel like there's, I've ever had any pressure to do certain things. This has just been me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

9:14From young, I've just wanted nice things. I've just been into this, into these kind of things. But now, I'll be honest, people coming up now, the youth coming up now, it's a bit pressure, man. I can feel the pressure for them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you get me? But yeah. So I would say there is pressure. But it doesn't, as much as these things are nice, I know everyone says it, but it doesn't make you, innit? I'm trying to say, who are you about? But your chain is cold. You know your chain's cold. Yeah, yeah, it's cold. It's K with the trap in it. That is one of the best chains. That one is so cold, man.

9:47Yeah, no, that's a statement piece, man. Like, I've still got that. That's early stages. And I've been creative. That's another thing too. I feel like not everyone's too creative, man, with stuff. Like, people just like, I want a chain. And they're just going to get anything gorgeous. Where I feel like I really thought about my stuff to the T. Very detailed. Do you ever have a banter with somebody like Bredjins who's got the best chain? You're like, I hear that ball about. My one's better. No, you know what it is? I feel like my thing's stamped, man. They know what time it is. There's no, yeah, we're not going to argue about that.

10:22Yeah, because I think, you know, knowing the guys at Hول is in Chiefer and stuff. and what goes, and there's a ton of other, you know, jewellers and stuff, but they're the only ones I can speak from, ones who I know personally. But it's like, I guess it's like, what must go into that piece? One for them to showcase it, but then for you, because I feel like it's become a thing in itself. Do you know what I mean? Of like the reveal or like, yeah, it's like, it's almost like, here we go. Yeah. Like a transfer almost, you know what I mean? So like you as an artist now, I feel like, Because you're in a place that's in such a, you know, you're in the forefront of mainstream music now in the sense of like, you know, you're touring, you're doing these big shows.

11:09Is this almost all you've ever wanted it to be in some ways? Yeah, definitely. How would I explain it? Anything I do, I want to do it properly, innit? I started doing music. I can't say when I first started, I thought, oh, I'm going to be doing this or doing that. but I've always, it came to a point when I'm like, if I'm going to do this, I'm doing this properly, isn't it? And then now I'm looking, so what, what is doing it properly? Yeah, I want to do the big shows, I want to have these big looks and yeah man, I just don't want to be, I feel like they like to trap you in this little category man, I don't want to be in this category, I want to be worldwide, I want to be a massive star, isn't it?

11:47Yeah, yeah. Do you get me? And I feel like, yeah, where we come from, we can make music, make a bit of money but that's it. No, like we can be stars. We can be global. We can, yeah, we can be like all of these goats that we say goats. Do you get what I'm trying to say? So yeah, I've always wanted to, since I stepped in the game, I thought, nah, this ain't it. I need to take it there. How do you do that in the sense of, because I know you do things outside of music where you have your own, you have your own, it's like a leisure, should I say? Active wear. Active wear, leisure wear, essentially.

12:22and you have those bits on the side but as a musician is there parts of you where you sit and you're like i want to do this type of music or do that because i feel like you have your hardcore fans who are like we want we we want our core stuff yeah do you know what i mean yeah but you as an artist must probably sit there and sometimes say yeah but i kind of i'm i kind of like this sound or maybe working with that person do you know what i mean yeah

12:55yeah if i'm being honest bro that's been even kind of a bit difficult for me in it like because how i came into the game and the type of music my approach and just everything was completely different to how i am now and i'm a person that's always trying to grow and i feel like when i did start making music that was just the situation that was just a little bubble i was at that time but I've got out of that I've got older I've experienced other stuff I'm doing different things and naturally like I'm just somebody that wants to do do more and do better so um now I just want to be an artist bro I just want to like wake up however I feel and do what makes me happy do you get what I'm trying to say and that's in terms of the music too but because I feel like I made such an impact in the like the music I was doing like if like the drill or street stuff yeah people just kind of won't let that go they just want that for me and i get it i understand it you get me but me i'm fully like trying to push the growth man do you get what i'm trying to say like i understand like change is good like do you get what i'm trying to say and yeah just be happy that your favorite rapper is getting yourself out of these places that we used to be do you get what i'm saying because it's real man all of this stuff's real isn't it and i live a real life and now my life i'm blessed in it i'm doing very good for myself a lot's changed how i see things is different so i want to reflect that with my music i don't want to just be pushing like a dark energy when in fact things are like quite good for me at the moment you know like back in the day was you always spitting on rap did you ever dabble in like grime or even like garage or like funky house because i remember there's a little funky era and some people would spit on the beats and stuff or was it always strictly like rap yeah I would say strictly rap man I feel like when those things were going on I was just enjoying that music when I started doing music properly or even like when I was younger yeah it was just it was just rap really yeah yeah yeah but I was aware of everything else that was going on yeah yeah yeah of course actually maybe grime in it like without even knowing that I'm doing grime maybe just a bit of grime in it do you think you'd ever transition to Graham?

15:12Because I feel like sometimes, you know, like how you took off the ballet and then it's like, I'm going to be me. And I feel like it came at a time where your momentum was this, like videos dropping all the time. You was a name that everyone was always talking about. And then it was like, oh, it was like, it's like I said, it was like a moment in itself of like, oh, he's taking it off. We're going to, we're going to see him. Like, and then I feel like no one expected you to do that because it could have been a lot easier to be like well this is the thing that's like people know me for yeah yeah do you know what i mean yeah people said that was my selling point like when i took it off everyone said i was done is it yeah facts did you ever think that though how detrimental it could be i didn't think i was done but there was a tiny bit where i was thinking oh this ain't as this ain't as smooth as i thought it was gonna go yeah yeah i didn't i didn't really think through like that's what i'm saying bro see because i'm such a real person yeah in terms of like i just live in a real life in it so i'm thinking like i've started doing music i'm k trap yeah cool i'm wearing i'm wearing a belly but i'm not understanding how important this belly is yeah so when i've taken it off i'm like cool i've taken it off but i'm still me like what's like what's changed like my voice hasn't changed nothing's changed except for the look but obviously i didn't look at it like that it's like i don't know watching films and we have like I don't know, there might be a bad guy in a film or something that looks all, and we're like, oh, whoa, he's a bit scary.

16:41And then he takes off and he's just looking a bit innocent. Or you get what I'm saying? He might not be as scary anymore. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't think of these type of things. I'm just thinking, bro, this is still me. Like, it's all good. But yeah, there was a point when I thought, oh, okay, the ballet was actually important. Like, this is going to be a bit difficult to do. But I never, ever thought I would be done, man. And I feel like your breakout moment was...

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18:18when warm came out yeah and that's after i took off the value too yeah yeah so was that almost like the justification of like having because that was a hit man yeah like on another level i remember being at a party and this was also during uh lockdown as well i say it was kind of lockdown was lifted alleged it was lifted just in case anyone's listening and then someone had a house party and i'll never forget they played it it went off like crazy and there were some Americans there at the party. Yeah. And I was like, yo, man, yo, yo, UK, man, yeah. Hey, man, who this, man? And we're like, hey, what do you mean, who's this?

19:01Hey, this is cage rap, you know? And it was like such a moment, but also I feel like, how did that moment for you change your life? Because I remember seeing, you know, you see at the festivals, you see at parties, to this day, it still goes off. Yeah, facts. How was that for you? because that must have been such a good justification of like I've took this off and now I can achieve this and you can see it as me yeah it was crazy bro it was like a new chapter for me like the impact of it was crazy and just like how would I explain it it was just growing innit so it was like there was one stage that was kind of popping and I was thinking well I might have one like things were happening and then yeah just started growing again just massive and then by the time i know i'm just booked up shows a lot going on then i've done a remix kept i jumped on the remix yeah yeah yeah made it go even more crazy yeah it was just like yeah surreal bro i was just like whoa i got one but i was still like yeah man like i needed this but yeah man you lot pay homage man i've been working like this is me do you get me and yeah especially where i took off the mask and it happened after that i'm just like yeah i'm looking at all the because like i said they said i was done in it so i was like no man i'm not done i've just started you get what i'm saying yeah so yeah it was a crazy feeling even up till now bro i feel like the warm buzz hasn't even ran out yet i'm still buzzing off a warm and yeah it's still shutting down everything yeah going crazy but i don't i don't want to be known as the warm guy in it yeah yeah of course yeah because i'm great as a person and i've got loads of different songs and i've got more hits to come yeah yeah so yeah man it's done a lot for me in terms of like the sound of drill like you're one of the people that are at the forefront of the sound like yeah in so many ways you've inspired like a whole generation but then there's also this negative connotation that comes with the music.

21:19Yeah. How hard is that for you? Because I've gone to stuff, I'm a stand up comic and I've been on the red carpet and like, so, you know, it's good to have you here, but what do you think of drill? What's, what? And I'm like, what? I don't know why I'm being asked this. I can't imagine how that is for you though, in this, in, because in that space as well. Do you know what it is, bro? Yeah. it's mad because as much as like i came up doing drill when all of this stuff's going on it's like it's it's definitely affecting me but i'm just not like i'm not really understanding it because i feel like with drill yeah there's you can look at it in different ways in it what i personally do maybe when i first first started but i feel like even from when i first first started drill like all the tempos the beats like maybe the aggression like certain things i would say but i feel like i've always been different in terms of like there's a message with my music and it's not as direct as a lot of other people's and it's not you can get there is some gems in it too it's not just negative and i'm not just saying this because it's me but it's like yeah like so i understand why people used to go like crazy with with certain dual music because there's certain dual music that yeah maybe might not might not get to the radio or it's just not it's just not friendly at all do you get what i'm saying but at the end of the day music's music bro like everyone makes different music there's different genres and people are just expressing theirself in it yeah yeah i'm saying so what can i say i haven't really got much to say around everything because I've just been on my journey man do you get what I'm going to say and also like I keep saying I'm an artist innit so yeah I was doing drill that's a part of me I definitely was there at the forefront or what not but I've got bangers that ain't drill yeah yeah yeah I've got hits to make that ain't going to be drill I've done collabs I've done different stuff that's out of drill so I see myself as an artist so I feel like as long as like drill artists try to like just try and make a little transition man try some other stuff change things up a little bit if you get what I'm saying I feel like the longevity is there but yeah if you just keep it straight then yeah man they're going to try and shut it down and that's just the honest truth yeah because it definitely reminds me of like a time where you think of like So Solid Crew and that time where a lot of shows were getting cancelled and banned and then you had the same thing with UK rap and then Grime to an extent where I think it's the 696 form I think it is yeah where they you know you couldn't put shows on and i think sometimes the media do like to use that as the excuse yeah do you know i mean when there's other genres of genres of music which are completely similar where i say even similar other genres of music like you know heavy metal or rock where you know you see a show and people are punching each other up and there's mosh pits and stuff yeah but i feel like drill gets the it's the it's the that's that's the bad child and it's like They haven't even done nothing.

24:30Do you know what I mean? And another thing what I feel like that's unfair, yeah, is because the truth is they just don't care at all, innit? Because they don't, they clearly don't filter through things in terms of like, it's just, okay, if this person does drill, it's negative. But if you filter through, there's a lot of talented people that's doing, they might do drill tempos, they might not even be saying anything crazy or whatnot. So I feel like the people like that, they deserve a chance. Do you get what I'm saying? It's not everyone's making that dark. how they're trying to explain it i'm not going to act like there's nobody making that type of music but there's a lot of people that ain't there's a lot of other stuff when it comes to drill so i feel like that genre yeah they're not filtering through and thinking you know what cool let's get this guy let's let this guy through but cool so in terms of like there might be a drill artist that's rapping on a drill beat the content and everything's like friendly but he might go and do a show i mean they're just going to get this paper the drill artist i had no show but you don't know the person yeah what's their last 12 months been like they might have done a supporting at world tour they might have been they might have done some charity work they might have done so much different stuff but i feel like yes from when they say drills like it's done i feel like that's unfair isn't it are you still facing that with yourself when you're doing shows and tours a little bit and that's and that's why i would say it's unfair because if you look back at k chap's journey from the start to now bro i've been like this is a conscious decision like i've been very careful and been clean cut bro i'm trying to say i've done amazing things like i'm trying to say i've inspired a lot of people i've put on loads of shows there's never been any issues never been nothing like yeah i spread positivity like all of these type of things but i feel like yeah there's certain places or venues that i'll approach and they just see as dual artists do you know i'm trying to say and then it's done but they're not even looking into man what i just don't do this you know i'm trying to say like i just come off tour of dblock europe they've done the biggest arena, rap arena tour.

26:44Do you get what I'm saying? They're not drill. But I was with them for the whole tour. I shelled it. It was sick. Do you get what I'm trying to say? So it's clear to see that I make other different music. Do you get what I'm trying to say? I don't think they look at that. They're just like, you know what? Yeah. Does that make you have to work like 10 times harder in some ways because knowing that when it's time for you to do your tours, you're going to get a level of scrutiny that not everyone else is going to face. So it's making sure that you as an artist is showcasing yourself in a way that's like, like you're saying, like my journey has been pure and I'm putting on this level of show, but I'm still having, I don't know, where this is you know we need more security or yeah we need more police presence do you know yeah no it's crazy man and it just kind of not takes you out of the ball but like how can you even like if you are putting on a toy and all these things you have to be worrying about all of this stuff it's a lot even though everyone goes through it but yeah like with a certain type of music you make it's more intense and then it's crazy because in life you never know what can happen in it like it could be there could be a gospel show and somebody gets punched up or something do you get what i'm trying to say like yeah you just don't know in it but if it now what do you get i'm saying though but if it was like for instance say somebody something minor happened to somebody at a drill show it's going to be crazy in it you're going to say but you go to a rock show they're mosh pitting bro guys are getting stamped on do you get what i'm trying to say but that's calm that's just another day of a rock show do you get what i'm trying to say so that's why it's even worse because more time nothing happens but yeah if the slightest thing happens that might not even be from the music or whatever they're gonna make it seem like yeah someone was possessed by the music and this is why we don't do all of these things you know i'm saying yeah who's been some of the most like influential people that you that have connected with your music that's even made you sit and be like oh like you listen to my music and or you know you want to work with me uh i would say away from like people work work want to work with me just like i travel a lot in it yeah i feel like traveling all around the world bro and just bumping into just completely different people just people that i just never would think would know me that know what's some of the most like random places you've been recognized bro i was um bro I was in the Maldives yeah playing tennis yeah and the tennis coach yeah there knew me bro I swear but he's originally from Barcelona he said but still just crazy bro I'm on some small island bro like far away bro and yeah he knew me like or I've been like South Africa before like Johannesburg and like I've got fans messaging me like where are you bro like I'm gonna pull up like yeah yeah we want to meet you bro like america yeah bro just it's just endless yeah it's crazy man is that more inspiring to take it to more places as well i'm assuming as an artist to be like oh my god you listen to my music here and yeah i now want to i don't know whether it's i don't be doing a show in the maldives but whether it's like i want to tour the world as a as an artist do you know what I mean yeah definitely they take the show everywhere even like I've got crazy demand in like Australia that's the other side of the world do you get what I'm saying like that's that's good to know that who's been some of the most like influential people that have connected with your music yeah do you know what it is do you know what it's a moment for me yeah and look this is another thing like so I dropped a song called Heaven or Hell yeah it's like a girl song yeah about a year or two years ago and like it was that started going off and it's like party next door just like dm me like bro this tune's cold bro like i'm just thinking bro like and then straight after him like a day later like meet mil dm me like oh yeah this joint's cold bro like oh sick and i'm just thinking obviously i have all songs or whatever like yeah that was that was crazy for me like obviously drake knows about the uk in it but for drake to bring me out at wireless and for it to go crazy that was like yeah and he was rapping the the lyrics too on stage and i was thinking raw like yeah i rate it yeah because he shows a lot of love to just uk culture but like i remember when he posted a picture of of of him and gigs and it had my caption julie get a couple of cans oh yes and that was like it was this moments like that where I don't think, I don't know what people, like sometimes, you know when someone doesn't have to do the thing and they do it and it's the thing that sits with you.

31:44You're like, you don't even need to do that, you know? Yeah. How is that for you as an artist in some ways? Because I guess you're also at a point now where there's young artists that are like, bro, like you're the reason that I do this. Yeah. So is that also important for you to be like, I don't have to do this, but I do and I want to message you and say, hey, I like your music or come to the show or support on tour or do you know what I mean? Yeah, 100%. I've tried to be more conscious about doing so because obviously it's something you should do, but sometimes you can just get caught up in your own stuff and just not really, yeah.

32:17So, but now, yeah, as I'm getting older and I've gone further in the game, yeah, there's definitely people coming up and yeah, man, sometimes you need to make the extra effort. Like, yeah, just a comment goes a long way or yeah, invite to a show or just a bit of advice or even seeing an artist somewhere and acknowledging them. Because that's one thing that I do. And the people know, like, I'm a fan of, like, loads of different people. They don't have to just be people that are bigger than me. There's people that's just coming up now that I'm a fan of. So if I see them, I definitely salute them and let them know that, bro, I'm rocking that.

32:51Yeah. Yeah. Keep it up, bro. Do you know what I'm saying? Are you quite an introvert offstage? so is that the stage the place where you you let loose but off stage you're quite an introvert yeah 100 yeah i'm working on it though because i don't i don't want to be an introvert anymore as much yeah yeah like i feel like yeah i just want to be not fully out there but because i feel like me being an introvert it just gets taken as something else yeah because people can say you're an introvert, that must mean you're quiet, which is like, no, you just have a way of being with yourself where you're like, this is how I like to be when I'm by myself or away from limelight stage or whatever.

33:38Yeah. And even being a musician, being a rapper, like I could pull up to certain venues and first thing people might feel like, yeah, this guy just thinks he's bad or this guy thinks he's bougie. what he's just coming in here and just not even smiling or nothing or do you get me these times you don't know the anxiety is through the roof right now yeah yeah and man's just trying to process you get what i'm trying to say so i kind of want to correct that bit because there's most probably loads of people that'd be like no i don't think chat rocks with me or this or that but you don't even know like i'm just getting kind of used to this stuff because yeah i'm more to myself you get what i'm saying so is that a conscious effort of things that people have told you you need to do or just feel like you you want to do myself and people's told me too yeah yeah still i still want to have there's still always going to be that mysterious bit to me because i still don't believe that just anybody should just get your full the full package energy i'm trying to say like my close friends or people that i properly know like they wouldn't say i'm an introvert like that if you know because i'm very bubbly and open around them but as i'm a musician and like i'm out in the open, I don't know, public figure, whatever you want to call it, I feel like, yeah, I can be a bit, give a bit more of my character because there is character there.

34:57Yeah, yeah. Now, when you're not doing music, what's the things that, essentially, I don't know what the word is like, make you get up in the morning? Because you're saying you're playing tennis in the Maldives. You play paddle and stuff like that as well. Yeah, yeah, I play paddle. I stopped playing for long. I'll be honest, I'm not even too good anymore. I swear. But yeah, like, yeah. No, I was playing it from early though, yeah. So yeah, I enjoy playing paddle. I don't really play tennis though. I was doing tennis lessons there, just mucking about. But paddle's good. I started playing football again.

35:30You kick ball? Yeah, yeah. Oh, swear. I don't think so, I don't. I never thought you kick ball, you know. I'm not, I wasn't going to be a footballer or nothing like that. But yeah, I can play. Where do you play? Strap. Swear down? Yeah. No way. Strap, man. I never thought you kick ball. Man, am I going to see this and start laughing still. No, bro. I know what you kick balls do. Yeah, everyone, that's what I'm saying, bro, man. Do you get what I'm saying? I need to show more character. Yeah, man. Oh, that's what you did, like five sides? Fives. I've played 11s before. I've seen you on a clip somewhere.

36:03Yeah, I put a little clip, like, maybe a year ago. You was, like, kicking ball with someone? Yeah, and I was moving serious, but they were saying that everyone was scared to tackle me. Oh, why? Yeah, that's not the case. the reason why I laugh because I think sometimes the persona of musicians and sport unless you really know like a lot of people know that Dave like let's say for example he plays football a lot he talks about football a lot yeah so do you think there's like the link of musician and I don't know playing football people just don't see it or do you think it's like because of the music that you make people are like oh no I don't know because people don't think I play football but I'm both footed that's what I'm saying left and right I can ping it anywhere so when I kick more people they're like you can play football I do like it though the fact that people don't know yeah no facts do you know what I mean I'm the same too I'm definitely the same yeah like I feel that with me yeah people just think yeah I don't know bro maybe yeah because the music or like yeah because I don't give off much like people don't think I do much like in terms of I don't know people think that I just I don't know eat at nice restaurants and buy watches and chains and yeah yeah yeah i like to do fun things but i feel like when i was younger there was so much stuff that i enjoyed yeah and i feel like i was more open and i was more bubbly and like yeah people just i gave my character and i feel like just where i where i grew and just how everything was kind of turned me into somebody like that's where it's like all the fun stuff that we used to do is just we don't we're not doing anymore yeah we're just in the fence mode now it's just survival mode i feel like i've been getting back getting into music and being out in the open now hey sweetie your mother uh showed me this carvana thing uh for selling the car i'm gonna give it a try wish me luck me again i put in the license plate it gave me an offer unbelievable okay i accepted the offer they're picking it up tuesday from the driveway I haven't even left my chair.

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39:04I'm still in kind of this survival mode, but like of recently, I had like some mad epiphany, bro, about like two years ago. And I'm like, no, like, I want to do like some wholesome things, the things that just used to make me happy, bro. Like, yeah, like playing football or do you get what I'm trying to say? I don't know, go for a run or do you get what I'm trying to say? Like do some swimming lessons or do you get me? Like do simple things, bro. Go cinema, like, you know, just these little things that man just weren't doing. Man's just in like some, yeah, survival mode. but now I'm just like no but even that is getting over the anxiety too because when I started playing football at first I could only play like with the man them like anybody else I just weren't because it's K-Trap now it's not it's not fun it's like yeah do you get what I'm saying even like not too long ago I was in Dubai and my guy that lives out there he plays like every Wednesday or whatever so I've gone over there to play obviously it's all different people from different countries whatever nobody really knew me like that so I'm playing I'm playing but at first it was just cool remember I'm the new guy innit until I showed them something or score or something they're not really trying to pass they're not really do you get me they're just doing their own thing and then imagine one of the guys at half time one of the guys clocked me innit but I clocked him clocked me but I was moving like I didn't because I just want to play in it I don't want to do the rapper thing right now but I see him tell his bredrin that was on my team so cool before he was going to start he's like oh bro what UK chap no then I was like yeah yeah cool we played after that bro every minute man's passing it to me yeah chap like bro even in the mad awkward awkward displace when I don't need the ball he's passing it to me it's just it's making it not fun anymore you get what I'm trying to say you're just trying to I don't know do you get what I'm saying so when I first started playing football I could only do it with the man then because yeah with other people sometimes bro people would just be a bit fan fanish or like just kill the the joy that I'm trying to get out of this and I just want to be incognito kind of thing innit and then another thing like I couldn't play with people on the sideline like anyone watching bro I'm done I don't even want to play anymore but I feel like I've got over that well is that in case that you get nutmeg or something it goes viral or something I don't know yeah like not exactly that but you know what I'm saying I feel like as a not just a rapper but anybody that's just in the public eye or like if you're a celebrity whatever you are I just feel like there's some stigma that everything has to be perfect so if I can play football I need to be the coldest if I can top bins yeah do you get what I'm trying to say and it's not always it's not always like that that's on the kick of heart do you get what I'm saying so what if they called you up for Soccer Aid like you can't you can't turn down that those opportunities

41:51but we digress but in terms of like where you are now as an artist you're stepping into like more entrepreneurial roles of you know you've got your active wear as well what made you kind of pivot to that space yeah you know it is one obviously i'm doing music i'm a musician but i'm also a businessman like i'm trying to i'm an entrepreneur i'm trying to grow and do different things out of music how the activewear came about and it was women's active wear so i started training i started training i got in the gym and that i got my little health journey and i was seeing like i don't know women i was close with or whatnot they were just going crazy about like these activewear brands like wearing it to the gym looking a bit stylish to the gym and they really cared about what they wore to the gym where obviously man them you know like obviously now it's a thing but before man was just wearing whatever to the gym you know i'm trying to say yeah just getting busy yeah yeah 100 and then when i saw like the ladies how they were moving with like the gym fits and their gym wear and i'm like oh this is a thing and then I started kind of like consciously taking a bit of pride in what I wear to the gym now yeah let me go buy some gym stuff whatever and I'll be honest it did make me feel a bit better you know like certain gym fits and that it might be tight on the arms make all of these little stuff the shorts with the inside lining yeah yeah yeah makes you feel a bit sporty like it does uplift your mood and it does make you attack the gym a bit better and just knowing you're in the gym looking good you get what I'm trying to say so that was it for me yeah when i started buying gym stuff and that i thought yeah what i used to when i used to see the girls move like oh you lot going crazy over the gym fits no it actually makes sense it does make me feel good and i started doing it so and then i thought no man i wouldn't i want to do my own like i want to bring up my own and then another thing that i saw with um the women like that was wearing all of these um other brands these like kind of bougie gym brands and stuff yeah i felt like the premium was too high man like what it was costing and and everything was just was just was just too much to look good in the gym was just costing too much and i thought you know what like i'm for the people in it i just want i want to come through and give give it the the same bougie uptown kind of look but be not as flipping as expensive as these other brands and just be a bit more relatable.

44:22Do you get what I'm trying to say? Even in terms of the marketing or the models or anyone I would use for my brand, I want to try and make it a bit more, you know, like relatable. Yes, it's been good, man. And the reason why I started with women too, I just wanted a challenge. Obviously, menswear, I'd market it myself. But I don't really feel like I'm there yet to market it myself. Once I get there, I'll do so. but right about now it's just about the women and yeah man they're pushing I think also I think when guys trying to sell to other guys it's almost like you know what I mean butting heads in some ways it's quite hard to sell the product and say like and let you know you get your close friends that buy it and stuff but to get the average Joe on the street because then they're like I'm just going to get some Nike shorts bruv or you know what I mean some Gymshark where I feel like you enter this space that again no one's seen it coming and I guess even for women they'd be like oh rah like I like the concept of this I like the look of it the feel I want to try it on like women will definitely do like you know like what's it called the get ready with me and stuff do you know what I mean like so even when I've done a collection with Next and it was women buying it for their husbands and they're like yeah like I bought Mo's collection and I'm getting it for my man and supporters man Yeah, yeah.

45:49I was like, okay. So are there other things that you want to kind of venture into now? Yeah, I definitely want to like explore and do some more stuff and invest. I definitely want to invest. In terms of me, for instance, I've got K-Trap, the brand, me myself as a musician. I've got Cassie, the women active wear. Cassie is like a full career in itself. Like it's maybe even a bit more pressure than being a musician. I think I'm trying to say so. but I'm also still trying to hit certain heights as a musician so I feel like moving forward do I want to have like big establishments just based around me maybe not right now but in terms of investing in stuff and like building a team where I can have an idea and somebody else can make it happen that's definitely yeah I definitely want to do more of that yeah are you getting a lot of people pitching all stuff to you now as well yeah I've got a few people that do yeah I'll come up with a lot of ideas.

46:47I feel like now it's about, yeah, just building a team where, yeah, if I have a, I may have an idea, but I might not be able to do everything and have that team to make it happen. Yeah. Because I've definitely, I've learned in terms of sometimes I used to think that I can just do it all. And that's not the case. You need a team. You're about to bring out some new music soon. One, what can people expect? But two, does it feel like a little bit of pressure in some ways of you have previous work that people can see you for but you're also a person where you seem very innovative you're always changing your sound you're working you know alongside people you know you've you've collabed tapes with people and stuff so is there is there a sense of pressure that comes with releasing new music for you as well now yeah definitely there's always pressure with releasing new music especially like with the uk too man they're cut front man like they want what they're spoiled they want what they want or dummy's getting thrown out why do you think that is i don't know i feel like just people are just a bit stuck in their ways bro but obviously everyone likes what they like do you know what it is there's nothing wrong with liking what you like i feel like there's something wrong with this might not be for you but it doesn't mean that you should crush it or you should like talk down on it you get what i'm my favorite artists yeah they're artists bro they want to spread their wings when they do different stuff so yeah this song might not be my go-to go-to song but is it a rubbish song or is it no it's not do you get what I'm trying to say so let's not act like it is yeah I feel like there's there's a thin line between that but um yeah there is pressure but like I said I'm out of space and time in my life now where it's like nothing's not that deep oh man like yeah enjoy just enjoy just enjoy the moment and as long as you're happy then that's that's that's that's the main thing and focus on the people that are happy because that's another thing i used to do before not even just the music of everything like i don't know i might put out a song but i'm focusing on the people that don't like the song but there's so much people that do like the song so let's focus on those people man yeah i guess it's like what you're saying is your evolution as an artist is you've got to kind of feed the people that want the thing that they want but also change it in a way that makes it more accessible to a wider audience yeah and how has fatherhood changed like your perspective just probably on just more on life do you know what i mean actually you know it is i feel like i've always been like ambitious go get i've like i'm saying i've always wanted to do good in my life and i've always wanted even before fatherhood i've always wanted to like do good and put on and do good for my family too so it's definitely changed changed me a lot in terms of like there's more of a purpose but i feel like i've always been like this person i've never wanted to just get it all for me anyway i've always wanted to like help my family and do other things you know i'm saying so being a dad it's just like yeah more of a purpose but it's like yes still same mission do you get what i'm trying to say it definitely gives you your like your sense of like what you're doing it for yeah it's it's a feeling i can't even explain yeah yeah yeah it's just a feeling do you get what i'm saying but um it's a very good feeling and i feel like yeah it just motivates me to just stay on track bro do you get what i'm trying to say yeah we can't lose focus do you get what i'm saying that there's definitely a real purpose I know it's that thing where like you know sometimes when you're in the public eye and especially if you've got children and it's the simplest thing of like going to the zoo yeah that's even another thing like getting over that but yeah it's like obviously when I'm when I'm with my son it's like nothing else matters anyway yeah obviously sometimes it used to get a bit annoying like oh people coming up or whatever but it's just like I just feel I'm blessed anyway but I feel super blessed when I'm with my child do you get what I'm saying so it's just like as long as there's no danger yeah let's get on with it and then and another thing too don't get twisted you can get some weirdos in certain places but it's like how i look at things now it's like where where i'm going or where you're going to see me there should be half decent people there like if i'm going i'm going to the zoo innit yeah like hopefully there's not no mad men in the zoo do you get what i'm trying to say like so if someone was to notice me he's most probably got a child too or she's like just yeah that's another thing just actually understand like the logic of stuff in it like this is normal like sometimes i used to be like no like man will be in flipping cheser and i'll start a movie no like do you get me but it's like bro i might just see somebody that knows me that's that's a dad just like me or mom do you get i'm trying to say like it's calm in it yeah yeah yeah so you're in a place now where you're you know you're gonna release new music.

51:50I feel like your innovation as an artist, where you started to where you are now, and also the life that I feel like you've left behind in some ways, you know, you can go and play tennis in the Maldives or play football, you know what I mean, in Dubai, but also have the escapism from that. Music allows you to have. So what do you kind of want your legacy to be in some ways? You have such a really interesting chapter ahead of you where the music you make is always changing. It's always different. I feel like you're an artist where you want to give people their thing, but always want to change it and be current and be touring.

52:27Do you know what I mean? It's not a thing that a lot of artists are able to do. So what do you want your legacy to be in some ways? Do you know what it is, bro? Yeah, I'm just, I'm true to myself, innit? Like I stand on what I stand on and it's like no matter what's going on, like I can just weather through the storm. like one thing about me i'm not it's a longevity thing in it it's not a short stay and i'm not on like changing my my morals or compromising them for these things that people are doing doing so when it's all said and done i just want the people to just know that yeah this person you're not he stuck to his thing do you get i'm trying to say he didn't switch up for this or that or that and then another thing too like i definitely want to help as much people as i can on the way in it do you get what I'm trying to say.

53:12I don't know if that's a role model or whatnot because I'm not perfect, but I definitely want to, like, I want people to learn from my mistakes and be inspired by what I've done or what I'm doing. Do you get what I'm saying? So, yeah, as long as people can be inspired and as long as certain people can save their self making a mistake from watching my mistakes and then as long as somebody can look at this guy and be like, you know what, this is a stand-up guy, like, this is a good person, clean-hearted person. it's all good the rest is history bro really oh bro it's been such a pleasure to have you on the pod man I'm really excited for the new music it's a pleasure to have you on the pod my friend and this has been your beginning middle and end thank you very much bro appreciate it man hey what's up thank you so much for listening to the podcast today now a lot goes in to making each episode I know you hear my voice but there's a team behind the scenes who helped make it and if you did enjoy it I'd really really appreciate if you could show the love to them by giving us 5 stars and if you also have the time, please leave us a review.

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