Natalie Cassidy: Growing Up in Front of 10 Million Viewers

0:00Hey, it's Paige from Giggly Squad, and I want to let you know that if you want the newest and hottest beauty products, you have to go to Sephora. I'm obsessed with the One Size Liquid Blotting Paper Spray. It's the first of its kind blotting spray that mattifies for up to eight hours. It's unreal. There's also the Summer Friday Shade Drops SPF 50, which basically lives in my bag at this point. Oh, and the Kayali Eden Plush Pear smells so good. It's sweet, warm, and addictive. like people literally stop me and ask what perfume I'm wearing which you know I love so if you want the makeup skincare hair and fragrance products everyone's about to be obsessed with shop only at Sephora hey what's up people my name is Mo Gilligan and if you're listening right now you are listening to my podcast beginning middle and end now today I sit down with an absolute legend that's right people she is what I'd call a national treasure known for playing the iconic Sonia Fowler and fronting her own show.

1:01We talk about what it's like being hounded by the tabloids throughout your teens, the soap rivalries at the NTAs. Please welcome to the podcast, Natalie Cassidy. Thanks for coming on the pod, man. I'm very happy to be here. Yeah, man. I'm a big fan, man. Because what's weird is obviously I did The Masked Singer and you were there. Yes. But I don't get to come and say that I met you. I know. which is weird this is the thing right so everyone asks me they're like oh so you know you do the Masked Singer and you probably you know you probably meet everyone and I'm like nah we don't even when people are revealed I'm off aren't I yeah yeah sometimes some people might go to stage if they really know someone yes like Davina's done it and I think I don't think I've ever done it but like we might go on stage to maybe like high five someone or whatever you didn't high five me Mo I know but we don't even get a chance we might get a chance if you walk past It's out of order.

1:55But that's it. That's it. How did you find it on the show? Being like... Just petrifying. Hey, I can't sing, but I did it as a laugh, you know, it's a laugh, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the bush was quite camp and trim your bush, where's the bush? All of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just really enjoyed the experience. I did really enjoy it, but I was so nervous at all times. I was like, I need some Vaseline because I'm so nervous. You know, your mouth dries up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, I'm going to be able to sing. Yeah. And lovely Liz was rubbing Vaseline on my lips.

2:25Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a bit of a strange experience. You know what's mad is because being like on the other side, we generally don't know. And there is this thing where people are like, you must know. No, of course you can. But we don't know. No, no, no. But people think we know. So I've had people being like, you know who it is. But like sometimes, if it's a distinct, the only person I could say is, Lenny Henry, we knew quite early on. We was like, we know that voice. Right, okay. But we don't also want to spoil it for everyone watching. No, no, no. And we don't want to spoil it for the person who's in the costume.

2:58So we might know, and we're like, I think we know, but... And then we kind of like... But I've got a very distinctive voice, but I thought what helped me is someone said about Morgana Robinson, because Morgana does an impression of me. People went down the route of maybe it's Morgana doing me, which helped me. I was like, that's good. Yeah. Anyway, it was good fun. I enjoyed it. Thanks for coming on the pod, man. Listen to me. I have to say this now. Me and my niece Maria, who I do my pod with, me and my niece are obsessed with your latest stand-up. Oh, thank you so much. To the point, no, we're crying.

3:35We've watched it about three times each. Thanks so much. And I genuinely mean it. It is absolutely, when you are talking about being in the club, and I look back to my days when I used to go over to Mahikis and think I was really cool and get home, obviously not with a bill of the size you had, but you get home and you got a two and a half grand bill because you got a firework box or whatever. I was crying. Oh, thank you so much. You're amazing. I thought it was brilliant. Thank you so much. It's so funny with that bit in the show because that joke alone is probably 30 minutes. Anyone who's ever seen it, it's quite a long part of the show.

4:14But whenever I do the show, there's only three people know how much that bill costs. Okay. With me, is one of my good friends who's my tour manager, Jovan. Yes. Because what we used to do was when we'd go out, because, especially in America, they'd be like, so, you know, like, Jose brought the bottles and like, you know, like, so, you know, like, can he get a tip? Now, the problem is with me, I'm too like, oh, yeah, well, I feel bad for him. I've got to do it. And my friend Jovan is the opposite. He's like, so, that's his job. We ain't giving him no tip. Yeah. Bearing in mind, and I'm paying. So what I used to do, I shouldn't really admit this, but I'd be like, I pretend to be drunk.

4:51I go, oh, I'm so drunk. And I'll be like, hey, Chav, you sign it for me, yeah? I'll give you my pen. And he would go through everything. He's like, all right, cool. So if Jose brought, what bottles did Jose bring? Nah, nah, we're not giving him a tip for that. What's the tax? So we're paying a state tax, but a tip as well. So what one are we paying? And he'd break it down and then they'd be like, and then I'll be like, oh, I'm so drunk. I'm so drunk. So is that out of embarrassment? Because I find the same thing. I'm a very generous person. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm also a very impatient person.

5:26And if I am out for dinner and someone starts doing that bill, I can't be doing... Because I'm not drinking because I'm driving. I've had a Diet Coke. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. I had one slice of the garlic. I'll just pay the bill. I'm not just giving the bill, I'm going to pay the bill. Yeah. Because I actually can't deal with splitting things up. No, I think for me is that, for me, it's like, I am a very generous person. And that table, I'm paying for anyway. So it's not even like we're all breaking up. But it's the pleading. It's the, oh, but like, please, like, if you could just like, like, because then I'm like, how much do I tip?

6:02Is it 10 % of this? But also, we don't really get that here, do we, with people? No, no, no, no, no. We don't get the pleading. Oh, my God, man. I used to feel so, I'm like, I feel bad. And then he'd be like, no, I feel bad. Look at how much champagne is, bro. We don't need to buy it. we can't take it home we can't take it home and I'm like it's true it's true so you need you need your yin and yang basically but um yes that I know what you mean though when it's the ah but I only had prawns and you're just like you know what please just we've eaten the meal just pay the meal I can't do it I can't do I don't mind splitting a bill equally I don't mind splitting a bill equally yeah but I can't be doing oh you know or it's someone's birthday of course you're not going to let the person whose birthday is pay yeah yeah yeah but they're like oh but yeah but they've had two bottles of wine.

6:45Yeah, they'll have this for their birthday. They'll pay for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. See, girls are good at going through the... Guys are very much like, all right, we're splitting it five ways, yeah? Is that, yeah? Because the minute you... If you're with a group... When me and my group of guys go out for a meal, the minute someone's like, yeah, they're like, what? Bro, like, is that... What, are you trying to tell us something? Like, what, you broke? You broke? Is that what you're saying? Like, why did you come if you broke? And then you're like, oh, this is awkward. And then you... So we just have to split.

7:12Because we are very grateful, we're grateful for our jobs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm sure you're conning more than me. But the point is, we are probably within our groups doing the, you know, we're doing well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We also should be spoilt sometimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We shouldn't feel the need to pay all the time. I find it hard when people pay for me, though. I do as well. I don't know why. I find it very hard. If someone buys me something, I'm very much like, oh, oh, no, no, you don't have to. I need to buy you something back. I'm the same. I can't. It's not like I don't accept it, but I find it very, like if I can go out with a friend of mine and he'd be like, oh, I'll get a coffee.

7:51No, do you want a coffee? I'll get it. And I'm like, wait, wait, no. No, I'll get it. Yeah, I'm the same. Yeah, so I find it very hard to accept things. Gifts, birthdays, Christmas. I tell everyone, please don't get me anything. I just want you lot to be here and be around. If you get me something, get me something very small, maybe a vinyl record, a cheap one, secondhand or whatever. I'm the same I'm the same I don't like gifts and then people say to me you're so hard to buy for I said I am very grateful for everything oh yeah yeah yeah honestly I am so easy to buy for and all my family they're like no you're so hard oh yeah yeah my mum says that mum says you're a boy who's got everything and I'm like yeah but mum I just want you lot to be around yes I don't I'm not bothered about the gifts and everything else but yeah it's definitely do you find with you being on television especially like for how long you was on EastEnders for yeah people feel like they know you based on the character?

8:42Because I've always wanted to ask that because I grew up watching EastEnders, right? And in the special, I have a bit of being like, you know, in the UK, we treat people. Ian Beal. Yeah, and Ian Beal was the reference, right? Yeah. And I used that experience because I was at the NTAs. Yes. And I was like, I remember I was like, I said to my girl, I was like, hey, it's Phil Mitchell. It's Phil Mitchell. I couldn't believe it. I was like and everyone it felt like it felt like time stopped for me anyway yes and I was like and in my head I know it sounds crazy but I'm like he looks like he looks like him from the soap too you know like it's different because normally he might I think he wears like a leather jacket or whatever in the soap but now I'm like but he just still looks like the character it's not like he's dressed up or I can't remember the lady that used to play what's her name is it Pat Butcher yes Pam St.

9:37Clement so when she used to speak yes it was different she was incredible she'd go hello my darling how are you she's like wow you're not like pat yeah yeah yeah i don't know how someone on a soap who is doing that six days a week yeah can do that yes of acting i find it amazing because i was quite young so i think i've seen her on an interview and i was like wait who what's this? yes yeah so do you feel the same for yourself where people feel like immediately they know you and they start speaking to you as if like they're speaking to a character 100 % I started you've got to think 1993 I was 10 10 years old you started so I started and I've grown up in people's lounges the way I see it is four times a week in someone's living room they're seeing me more than their uncle yeah they're seeing me more they're seeing me more than their friends at a certain age so when I see people they're just like Sonia what's going on hello son I even get hello son I don't even get called son on Albert Square what's happening son I get it all the time so like have you ever been in a place where someone has a conversation with you and they're being they're like thinking this is your your life is real yes I have very much so yeah I can be in the supermarket I mean not not so much now because Sonia's been gone for a year so they'll say they'll just say when are you coming back when are you coming back to the square I'm kind I'm not sure yet who knows she's not dead so maybe but people come up to me and they're like oh I'm so proud of you because you've done you know you've been through all of that with Jamie and you're so good I'm like thank you you know what do you do when people do this because i in my head it's like you know i've had people just come up to me and be like oh and then ask me a question which i'm like what that and sometimes they'll be like where's big nasty eh yeah doing that show where is he and i'm like where i don't know he's he's at home you get big nasty i get where's your trumpet where's your trumpet where's wellard yes where's your brother yeah yeah yeah yeah because i think like i and i'll say east Enders is the best.

11:58Like, I think also there's a thing because I'm from London as well. So it has a real connection. But especially it's a soap that I've grown up from as a kid. Yes. Do you know what I mean? What was it like for you at 10 years old being on, you know, such an iconic show? What was it like? Because you went to stage school, right? I went to Annasher in Islington. So I grew up in Islington on Essex Road. But it wasn't a stage school as such. Okay. You had your Italia Conti's, your Sylvia Young's, which was much more all week and kind of, you know, you want to be on the telly if you go there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

12:32Which is not a problem, but that's... Whereas this was, you know, put a pound in a pot and you go in for a couple of hours. Okay, so like a local kind of drama school. Very local working class, pop in there. Oh, okay, okay. Improvisation. Yeah. There was no dancing, no singing, as you know. Yeah. But it was, you know, something that I loved and I just got picked up from there. So I fell into it, really. Yeah. So I always think I was very lucky enough to be there, right place, right time. And now I say, yes, I was lucky, but to keep something for 30 years going, 35 years, you know, I'm 43 soon in May.

13:07So to keep it all up, you need a bit of talent and to be kind and professional as well. Did you know at 10 years old how, because I'm sure you must have known how big the show was, but was there an element of pressure going into that show as a 10 year old i did have no idea what i was doing really in terms of what i was going into my mum and dad watched coronation street oh no way they were corrie fans okay which you know being honest about not great is it but yeah they didn't like extenders yeah and then i went into it and i had no i didn't really watch television of that what was i watching i wasn't watching i was watching saved by the bell live and kicking I was watching live and kicking yeah yeah yeah most definitely so yeah I went into it and I really had no idea until probably 13 14 that sort of age where I I began to see for instance crowds when we did Ricky and Bianca's wedding it was on location and we went into the church and when we come out I can't even it was ridiculous sort of 3 ,000 people surrounding the church where and I thought my goodness this is sort of a massive thing yeah and then as I grew, you know, more, I'm 15, 16, you start going out, start going clubbing, whatever.

14:21Not that I should say that, because my daughter's 15 now, and she's not going clubbing yet. But when I was, you know, and then you get let in every brand, the tables, the bottles, and all of that. How was school for you at that age? Would you be in homeschool? Did you have to go to school? Because I had some people that went to my school that was in, you know, they might be in like a CBBC, you know, drama. for example and they was like the celebrity at school but they were still amongst school it would just be like oh look that's the girlfriend of Queen's nose that's Ella Jones and that would be the thing but you'd quickly be like oh yeah well she how was it for you?

14:59I found it difficult I went to Islington Green which was you know just local school and I found a lot of jealousy I found a lot of why are you allowed days off a year why are you not in school when we're in school you're not in school so I had a bunch of friends that were okay and then I had a lot of aggravation so I was like fuck this I'm just going to go down the just the naughty route so I was very clever actually in terms of I liked work, I liked homework I was a bit of a teacher's pet I enjoyed learning but it got to a stage where I was like this has got to go out the window now and just concentrate on work because I loved it, loved being there that was my safe fun place to be and then when I was at school I was just like down the canal.

15:45Yeah. And when you're on set, did it ever feel like set? Because I remember being quite young and realising that Woolford is not a real place. Because for me, my perception is like, this is a real place. There's a tube station, there's a chip shop, there's the Queen Vic, there's that round green. And realising even up until, probably I want to admit until probably as a late teenager. Yes. I was like, this ain't a real place. And I think until I went to L Street Studios I didn't go to an actual set I was like oh it's on the actual studio set so it's not even like you know sometimes it might be a set where it's like oh this road does exist and maybe they lock it down and stuff like this yeah it's a funny old place and they moved it all as well the set was only meant to be from 1985 it was meant to be there you know a couple of years and it went for 35 years and then sort of they built another one now that was weird for me yeah suddenly they'd built a whole new set just what you described yeah sort of four minutes away from the other one was it was it why did they do was it a bigger set or it wasn't really um a little bit logistically i think the roads were a little bit wider but no it was for safety you know it was just old and it had to be done again okay but when you have walked out of your dressing room to go up to the square for 20 years the same way the weirdest thing got another route and it looks the same it was very very strange because I know a lot of the actors live within the North London area that kind of North London anywhere near L Street Studios I would say so I was brought up Islington and then I moved up in Winchmore Hill for a few years and then I moved up again to sort of near Hertford where.

17:37Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's sort of 45, 50 minutes away. Was there any actors at that time of being 10 years old that really helped your progression as a young person on TV? Because I feel like, you know, some of the names are just people that I think growing up, I just knew them from EastEnders until later on. I was like, oh, they've done this and they've been in that show. or you know I didn't even correlate that Martin Kemp was in Spandell Ballet yes and I was like that's I think his name was Steve I was like that's Steve Owen and until I got older I was like oh he's from Spandell Ballet I didn't know because I was so young so was there any actors that helped you really you know like kind of took you under their wing as such I'd say many of them Really?

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19:50And again, I would say from the age of sort of 12, 13, that's when I started to create my own friendships, my own relationships. But yeah, I mean, Martin Kemp was a lovely, lovely man and a fellow gooner. So I was happy with that. Oh, come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In fact, Martin, Martin's brother Gary, went to school with one of my brothers or was in the year above at Central Foundation. Again, it's that Islington thing because they were from Islington. But yeah, people like Steve McFadden, Phil Mitchell, as you say, and Adam or Jack, they helped me with financial advice. Steve was the first one to say to me, you need to get on the property ladder now.

20:30Get on there. This was when 100 % mortgages were knocking about. Oh my God, the good times weren't. Good times. You could walk into a bank. Crazy stuff. It sounded like a house. Which one? any young people listening that's what used to happen it was crazy yeah now you have to basically yeah so like um you you you left what was your decision to to leave was it to branch out and do more stuff was it to separate yourself from a show that you're always connected to i will never ever separate myself from that show i think anyone who believes that they're not typecast after being someone for 30 years is a little bit delusional.

21:13But I love the fact that I've been Sonia. Yeah. I love the show. Grown up there. I would never go, I don't want to talk about, if we can not talk about the trumpet, please. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I embrace all of that because it's my life. But I left because I just think there's stuff to do. And it's quite a relentless show. It's an amazing show, but you are there. You can't say, oh, in three weeks' time, can I have a week off because this project has come up. Yeah. you can't it's a huge machine there's 60 people 60 cars so you're there and you can't really take on other things yeah and suddenly other things were coming through different bits and pieces and i thought i would like to try other things and have a bit more time at home with the kids as well which has been nice i could imagine what were some of those things during the time and you was on these standards that you had seen come through that you might be like oh i wouldn't mind being able to do that but if you're saying you're working four days a week then it must it must be like well i just can't even think of well sometimes it'll be six if you have a massive storyline and you're in everything you know like the week where it's someone's major storyline that can be six days a week for 12 hours a day continuous and then you're going home getting home at eight o 'clock and you've got 12 scenes to learn for tomorrow it's all you know your whole life revolves which is wonderful because that's when you're getting the good stuff but scheduling wise you know you can't book a dentist appointment i can't book to come and see you on tour in 2026 on a tuesday night because i don't know what i'm doing even stuff like that is so amazing to be able to go yeah i'm going to see olivia yes babe we'll book olivia dean on the 2nd of may oh we can book this or we can i'll never be able to do that or i would and then some bloody you know someone else would have to go yeah i never you you never think of that because i feel like sometimes i know the soap runs pretty much 52 weeks of the year do you know i mean in terms of how it's running because it's always on television you know christmas time is probably like the big time of the year where there's been a story that might have started six eight months ago yeah and is concluding during christmas time yeah but then i i don't know i i've never really thought where you're not able to the simple things of like it's a simple things or book a dinner so you got your call sheets on a thursday evening or a friday morning for the following week yeah so that's how late so you know you'd have a friend say should we next week should we have a bit of dinner but i don't know and i was wanting to know this right in in a soap because look i've done minimal stuff on camera in a sense of like anything that's filmed and you know even for me i've you know i'm sitting there learning my lines learning my lines do you like it though do you like acting i love acting yeah hate learning my lines right and what the reason why i say that is because i'm dyslexic it's retaining the information yeah where i can retain it but as being a comic i'm so used to let me add this bit here and add that bit there and i've done this film a year or two ago and um I'm with he was in EastEnders actually is it is it Nish Patel?

24:24Himesh Himesh Patel Himesh Patel that's it lovely Himesh Himesh Patel right and you know this is like a serious film and I've got to do the funny little cameo bit in the film I'm learning my lines learning my lines I'm like I'll jazz it up though innit it's me and um yeah it's like add action do my lines add a little funny bit alright okay guys cut um great well love it you could just say the lines how it is but I've remembered the lines in my head of like the beat to add a comedy bit here or there now I've got to do it straight I'm like I don't know man I don't know if I can do this did you do it?

25:05I done it you did it I done it it was a few takes sunlight was going and it was like okay great we've got to get sunlight and I'm like okay I'm on the clock now I can't keep messing up the lines but how is it for you learning your lines when you've got so many scenes in, let's say, a week. How do you do it? I feel like however my brain works and the muscles that I've been using over this time, so it's learn, do, chuck away. Learn, do, chuck away, very quickly. Excuse me. So, for instance, when I have done, say, a theatre show before now, and you're doing the same lines every night, say, for three months, I have to relearn that every day.

25:53There are people going to me, why are you still looking at that script? We've been doing it for two months. I said, because if I don't look at it, my brain works, I do the show and it's gone. Yeah. And I have to relearn things. All right, it's sort of a little bit there. But the years that I was doing it, it's like the script is your Bible. Yeah. It's with you wherever you go. Read it, read it, read it. Cooking, reading, reading, reading. Before going to bed, read it, read it. And that's all I can say. Lots of people write it out. I knew people that would make voice notes of it and listen to it when they were driving.

26:28Yeah, I've tried that as well. But for me, it was just reading, reading, reading. Yeah. And it just went in some way. But I haven't done that now for a year. I bet if someone said to me, could you do 10 scenes tomorrow? I would shit myself. Yeah. Yeah. Because some of my friends who are actors and a friend of mine worked on Holby City, for example, and he was telling me he's like bro the top guys they're just like cool what's the main part of the line cool all right and action and they'll just chuck it out because they're a series regular they can they just know it but also that's never happened to me no never oh i didn't know learn and learn and learn yeah i know people i've sat on the sofas in reception before yeah i've been like oh that scene we got this afternoon that's heavy for you they're like what i'm like shut up don't pretend you've they're like no i've not looked at it yet and i'm like sweating say really talking about i can't say you are joking me that you've not looked at it yeah not yet and they go okay then and i mean monologues i'm like how is that possible the photographic memory that would be me for three nights you know on and on and learning and looking yeah yeah so yeah i think you know the job probably come it's easier for other people yeah because they don't have to go home and work at it because of the way they work yeah so so what was your biggest storyline i would say my there was it's hard to say really the biggest one that put me on the map so to speak was giving birth not knowing that i was pregnant yes yeah yeah i remember this one yeah yeah yeah yeah so that was and i won a smash it award and a soap award and so that was quite nice i was about i was 15 at the time so that was amazing yeah yeah but then jamie dying christmas day was a big one poor Jamie dying and being at the bed Christmas day and he died yes he got run over got run over by Marty Bamba Clark yeah fuck Christmas day everyone crying he was like the gal them sugar them times because he was he had the the what's it called again curtains the curtains yes oh my god so like when you're involved in those big storylines because I've always wanted to know this do you know like for example, I don't know, who shot Phil?

28:44No. So nobody knew? No. Really? Nobody knew. Oh, say swear. Like you with the smart singer thing, isn't it? Yeah. Of course you know, because you're on the... No. I always thought the person who knew, knew. Yes, the person who was doing it knew. But even that, I think they would do... Different versions. So maybe three actors, yes. Wow. Oh my gosh. Same as, what was the other story? Oh, with the, you know, where they buried the body. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. And who was murdered and all that. Was that Saskia? Was it that one? Are we going back now? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember Saskia was a...

29:26With the ashtray. Yeah, with the ashtray. Wasn't it? Yes. Yes.

29:33Yeah. Oh, man. Because I've always wanted to know whether you know as, like, the cast or whether it's... Because I know they sometimes speak about we shot different ones and we just know when you know when everybody watches it and that's the scene we put in. But I never knew if anyone actually knows. Well, I know, but I can't say. Obviously, you can't. I mean, the biggest one was Who Killed Lucy when we did a week of live episodes. And no one knew Who'd Killed Lucy. Nobody knew on the cast. And then obviously live, we found out that it was her little brother. oh wow

30:13you know what's brilliant about this conversation is that I remember discussing soaps with someone in the states and they was like yeah some of our soaps and I'm like are you familiar with EastEnders and they were like oh my god yeah I've seen it and I'm like but do you know what it is and I was trying to tell them bro you know this comes on every night and it was like no way because they're like their soaps is like Sunset Beach so I was like yeah no ours ain't like that but they was like what every night there was a fan club I can't remember the channel there's quite an American fan base for EastEnders and they would pay for it and they would watch it and also doing my podcast now I have a lot of listeners from New Jersey I've got this one woman she is wild she's like hey y 'all I'm over here and I've started watching EastEnders what the fuck is this she's absolutely brilliant but there are a few sort of Americans that have started watching it because they listen to the podcast so cold are there places in the world that you've been recognised from people that aren't Brits that watch EastEnders has it ever happened to you I'm not a massive traveller to be honest Mo no you're not no not majorly I like being at home so you don't like travelling at all I don't mind because I would think because you film so much that like when you've got time off it's like I want to go on holiday somewhere.

31:39I do go on holiday. In fact, I've got braver. I'm getting better. Where's the furthest you've been? Or like most adventurous? I've been to America before. But always sort of with a travel show or with work. You know, you're rushing around. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. I did a show years ago for BBC One called Natalie Cassidy Goes Wild in Australia. And it was two weeks or I can't quite remember. Ten days, two weeks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I was only 19 at the time. But again, it was here. we're in the rainforest we're letting a koala go now we're in a little plane and we're going to let the cassery bird go you know it wasn't really time to look around yes yeah yeah yeah of course but yeah no I have travelled but if I have a week off I'm like you just want to be at home I get it though I just need to sort my wardrobes out I need to do something I've got to sort my drawers out I want to cook yeah I want to be at home yeah bit of a home bird do you think that's what makes you so relatable because I feel like I've never this is the first time we've met and I feel like I know you that's really upsetting actually do you know what I mean yeah like I know we've seen each other on Masked Singer but I've not properly met you no we haven't had a chat properly yeah but do you think that's what makes you so relatable that people know you more as Natalie Cassidy and they're not they're not saying oh that's your Sonia does that make sense no I think it's because I'm not an arsehole um yes yeah yeah yeah people go what is your secret of being relatable to people I think it's because I'm not an arse it's not really a secret I don't get it people go your Instagram's so interesting like how have you sculpted it I'm like what are you talking about sculpt I think of something and I say it I don't think about these things I am who I am I couldn't give a shit what people think of me I don't know what you want me to say I'm like this it's not a joke I don't come into you and go I'm doing a pod now I've got to be like this but you do have a massive relatability in terms of I guess it's like someone who's on screen and I guess for anyone who's you know who goes on Instagram and be like oh I feel like I know that person is for them and not for the because I guess being such an iconic character it's almost like oh like I know you because I know you your character so I know yeah do you know I mean as opposed to like you just seem like you enjoy what life brings as opposed to like the job is a luxury do you know what I mean but I fell into it I was 10 I never wanted this job yeah I love it what did you want to be when you was 10 then because you was doing acting what did you want to do when you were 10 at 10 be honest did you know I'll be honest at 10 I wanted to be a fireman did you yeah make a lovely fireman hopefully boy but I don't really like getting burned so I don't like fire you know it's weird because as a kid I used to love playing with matches did you I used to love playing matches.

34:30I love getting a match and going poof. I know what you mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I remember the minute I got burnt, burnt, like I think on like the, I don't know, the spoon or whatever. Yeah. Like I'd put it on the stove and then once, oh my God, the pain. How are you putting spoons on the stove? No, because I always used to like burning a thing, innit? Like I burn a spoon so it goes orange. Do you know what I mean? They'll chop that up and sound like a heroin addict. For goodness sake, Mo. You know what these people like? Forks, I'll burn a fork then. I'd do anything for clips. Anything for views.

35:04But no, I did. I wanted to be a fireman, but I don't like fire like that. I don't like it like that, if that makes sense. I understand. What about for you at 10 years old? I don't know, I don't remember. I always remember making people laugh. You'd be a good stand-up comedian, you know. We'll talk about that in a minute because it makes me cry. Why? Because I just can't even think about it. Your job, to me, is the best job in the world. You could do stand-up easily. Your job is the hardest. I promise you, I swear you could do stand-up. When I sit and I'm watching that telly, I go look at all those people and they're all going, Mo, Gilly.

35:37And I'm going, there are thousands. How are you standing there on your own? No, but you know what I'd say with comedy is that... How are you standing on your own for that amount of time making people laugh? No, but the difference is with comedy is that there's so many people there. I know that I've done this enough times that I can make half of these people laugh. So I don't look at the amount of like, oh, there's this thousand I've got to make. But you've started off somewhere. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. But I think that I've always had the same mantra where I'm like, my job is to make everyone laugh.

36:10If half the people in the room laugh, I've done my job because the other half, let's say 25 % of them, they're not going to find it funny. And that's fine. The other 25 will just laugh because they've laughed. They'll be like, yeah, I'll do that too. Yeah. And they don't really, they're not finding me funny. they might just find the fact that their friend finds it funny or yeah yeah I never thought of it like that I say that's true yeah yeah I put the bins out yeah because then they're thinking of their own experience whereas the other 50 % are like I'm engaged I find that funny and I've always looked at humour like that as opposed to being the funniest person as long as I'm confident in it like that's why comedy I love because there are so many I'll sit and watch live at the Apollo yeah I'll be crying with laughter and someone's like that is the most unfunniest thing.

37:00I love that. Yes. Because there's room for everybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I just find it fascinating. The thing is, comedy's great when it's going well. When it's going bad, whoo! The thing is, I'm lucky enough that I've done it long enough that when I get the bad ones, I'm like... How long have you been doing it? 19. I started when I was 19. How old are you now? If you don't mind me asking. 38. 38. 38 now. So when I started when I was 19. 21 years. No, sorry. 19 years. 19 years but the thing is I think do you know what it is with comedy it's like when you're young you ain't got nothing to talk about really when I look back at what I was talking about when I was 19 I was just talking about things my friends found funny let's go out going out raving and when you go to the bar you ain't got money to buy a drink it's only until I've got older that I can now craft it and I'm like ah that's funny or let's tap into this or like for example with the last tour I got to speak about the icks because yes one at the time I was single so I was just so intrigued of like what is it that you find repulsive?

37:59But the ping pong ball is so good. Oh no, thank you. I'll be honest. Someone told me that and I was in hysterics. It was so true. And me as a comic, I was like, oh, that might be a ping pong. Let's delve into that. I'm going to have to take that from you there. Well, funnily enough, after watching yours, we took that and I put it on the pod. I was like, Ix, we've got to talk about Ix now. But do you know what it is? It's one of those conversations that people are having in a sense. Like, I know I'm not the first comic to ever speak about it. Of course not, no. But definitely, you're like, when I do a live show, I always think of the experience of, okay, when everyone leaves, like, and they're in the car and they're on the train and they're going home and they're like, what's the bit they're going to talk about?

38:42And they're like, oh yeah, that it's... And then you might get guys like, babe, what do I give you the airport? Do you know what I mean? It's like, it's a thing me and my girlfriend have and I'll do something I'm like, I gave you the ick, innit? And she goes, yeah, yeah, that one there. That thing you done there gave me the ick. Yeah, you tiptoeing to get the bowl that's too high just gave me... And it's... Whereas now I do a thing where I jump and I pull. Oh, yeah, that's cool. That's nice. Because I look cooler. Yeah, no, that's good. Do you know what I mean? I know what you're saying. I think it's definitely, as a comic, it's being relatable enough that makes it feel that this is a conversation that you can have in your car with your friends and still feel included in?

39:24Do you know what I mean? I do know what you mean because my podcast that I do now, do you like my hat, Mo? Shameless plug. I've got to come on your podcast, man. Yeah, you have. Shameless plug. Yeah, plug it. Why not though? I thought if I can't do it here, where can I do it? 100%, that's what it's for. Merch available, yeah? Yeah, come on, let them know, man. Let them know, man. But my pod is with more of my family. Yeah. So I do it with my mark, my fiancé. My kids will pop on every now and again. Yeah. Then my brother. and then my nieces who are like my sisters. We have Nat's nieces. And it's created this, my sister-in-law's on there.

39:55We do grief stuff. We talk about loss and grief. I don't have many celebs on it. Yeah. Because I just think people, I could listen to them. They're bored of the celebrity thing. And I've created this community, exactly what you say. So, for instance, I'll do something where I'm talking about cutting in on the A414 and I can't cope. For me, I can't. And I just mentioned it one day and it's become a... Hey, it's Paige from Giggly Squad, and I want to let you know that if you want the newest and hottest beauty products, you have to go to Sephora. I'm obsessed with the One Size Liquid Blotting Paper Spray.

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41:44For a year, people still message me about cutting in. But when do you cut in? No, I don't cut in. You don't cut in? This is what I'm saying to you. Listen, I'm a cutting specialist, you know. I'm not happy with you. Listen. It is selfish. Me cutting in? It's very selfish. I'll tell you where I cut in the most. I'll bet where you are, roughly. We're talking sort of on... So let's say A406, yeah? Yeah. If I'm coming off the A406, we're northbound and... Palmer's green areas. yeah if i'm going off there i know what that cue's like so i do a cut in where i'm like all right i'm gonna i'll do a generous cut because i think whenever you cut you know where the stripes are where you're like come on you can't cut there man you know where you've got the stripes the barriers yeah yeah that bit there there's no generous cutting no there is there is i believe if you've left the gap and you weren't concentrating you have to be prepared for a cutting you have to be yeah yeah yeah so if i so same with me if i'm like you know what i left the gap fair enough cut in do you know i mean it's when there is nowhere to cut in and you wait and then you look and you're like come on you're like come on i'm not laird you in man oh i'm up to the i'm so close to the other car i'm so close and then i'm like this and i'm going are you all right and they're like that no don't turn around to me they're like i can't i just let them in unless it's like a if If it's a real pushing, we're like, come on, man.

43:12I'm like, no, no, no. I don't like that. But most of the time, I'm like, you're going to be at the same light we're going to be at. We were talking the other day. If it's sort of a, I can't explain it, a big van, a scaffold van or something, and they are just blatantly cutting in, and they're giving you a wink, and I think, yeah, fair enough. But it's the ones that are like, and they don't look at you. Yeah, they don't look at you. And I think, I don't like it. in your big car you're all done up and you're not looking around you're not saying can I sorry it's just that right I don't like that listen anyone who is a tradesman van drivers I know you're busy I've got no time to be trying to plead and go in just go on because one time I was driving where was I I was somewhere and I seen these guys going at it the van driver got out of his car he had an argument with the other guy took the keys out of the other guy's car and through them.

44:07And that was the moment where I said, I will never in my life get into it with any of these van drivers, you know? It's true. To take someone's keys and through them. It's true. It's best just to let them get on with what they're doing. Never, never, never. We digress. We do digress. Yes. You've been doing it, you know, you've been in EastEnders since you was 10 years old. Yeah. How have you dealt with like the tabloids? Because I feel like, you know, some of those stories we're talking about was in like the height of the 90s, early 2000s, which I feel like Like the tabloids were at a place where, you know, all you're doing is being an actress.

44:40Do you know what I mean? On the soap. Yes. But then you have to deal with another side, which is like, what's that got to do with anything? Again, I've always had a very thick skin. I don't know where it comes from. People say, is it learnt? I think it's an Islington thing, you know? I do as well. I think it is. North London. Yeah, but Islington, North London is very much, it's like the Bermondsey of South London. I think you're right. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I agree. yeah yeah but I don't like I said I don't worry about what people think I never have done but when I look at it retrospectively that's very different because I have two daughters now one daughter being 15 yeah who loves you by the way she thinks I'm so cool here today oh big ups man yeah I'll get a photo for her yeah yeah of course she's skiing at the moment we'll do a video oh thank you she's skiing in Andorra her friends won't go wild of course she I know yeah this you know school trip and all that I'm just praying she don't break her neck I just want her homesack I don't need one piece.

45:36Wait till I show you the video, you'll be like, oh my God. So anyway, but because I have a 15-year-old daughter, they were writing things, the tabloids. They were writing things like this beached, Sonia, the beached whale coming up. And now you think, how can a grown adult write that about a teenager, a teenage girl? Yes, I was on the large side. I did like a McDonald's. but you can't be writing things like that. I was, you know, I was a larger size then but I was happy, I was confident, I didn't care. I went out, I was partying, drinking, junk food, just having a great time and I used to get the crosses and the ticks next to my name, you know, the pink tops, your heats, your closes.

46:22But I don't look back on that angrily. That was the time we were living in. Does that make sense? That's what was going on. If I wanted to go, alright, if I was in, what was the club Sugary for whatever on a Tuesday night I'd chosen to do that and wear a bandana and cargoes and a vest top yeah yeah I chose to I knew paparazzi were going to be there so sort of letting yourself in for it I'm not saying it's right what they were doing but it was a very different time yeah very different time yeah because I couldn't imagine I always remember that especially the early 2000s especially with the magazines like you're saying yes and being on like a front page because and did it ever dent your confidence in any way where you're like maybe i might not go out or maybe i i might dress a little bit different do you know i mean not at all not at that time i would say more so now i think as i've got older and maybe that is because of that i'm not sure but i think oh no i don't want my arms out i hate the top of my arms i reckon that is from that era where i look at pictures and think and they were commenting on oh should put your arms away or whatever that's probably stuck with me now you know um but yeah it is what it is do you know what i love i love seeing especially that i love seeing the soap stars at the ntas it's my favorite thing ever because i feel like that is your for the soap stars that's your event that's your night because one I love it because again I get to see people that I've grown up with on television and I'm like I'm just amongst them I'm just you know walking past I'm like oh right there's that person there's that person but also I'll tell you another reason why I love it is because I feel like the rivalry I don't know if it is a rivalry but when you all get up as a group and because I've been there and I'm like oh right that's the whole you're like right that's the whole cast uh uh the whole cast and they all go up to win and it's like it'll be led by you know it'll be led by like Steve McFadden and the whole cast go up is there rivalry amongst the is that a thing or is it something that everyone else creates I feel like it isn't so much a rivalry we're all very lovely to each other yeah but when you win that it's like yes it is a real it's you know it's like a football game it's like yes you know I would say it's more of a kind of everyone loves West Ham.

48:50Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's a friendly sort of thing. It's not like Arsenal Spurs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. However, when you win, you're like, yes, we've won it, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a passion about it and a pride because you've worked hard. Yeah. You know everybody around you's worked hard. When Steve McFadden, I was actually not there. I'd left by then. Yeah. When he won the Best Actor Award at the NTAs. I was there that night. That was big. I'm telling you, I can't talk about it without crying because he deserves it so much. How has it taken that long I was at home I was just like this is amazing yeah that was my favourite moment of the whole thing was it?

49:22yeah it was amazing because you know you've got a standing ovation and I was I was just in awe because I was like I've seen you on my TV for years yeah and now I'm here and don't get me wrong the people I'm sitting with I've got Gary Lineker in the front and Michael McIntyre but I'm like it's funny because my girlfriend's not from here so she doesn't understand the magnitude of how big some of you know the soaps are and I'm like that is Steve McFadden and she's like she's from Brazil she's like I don't know is this I don't know I said that's Phil Mitchell it's Phil fucking Mitchell man like how do you know this I don't know the scene I bet she's like who is Phil yeah but she's like oh you've got to watch the Brazil soaps I said nah I don't know about that I draw the line here madam but like as well as EastEnders you've also fronted your own your own stuff as well you know as you how does it feel when you're able to front things away from you know let's say EastEnders and front your own shows like you're saying go to Australia you had something was it Being Mum on E4 yeah I did that years ago I did a little documentary called What's the Big Deal for Channel 4 I really enjoy being myself yeah and I think that's the biggest thing when I left doing the podcast having a few bits doing Masked Singer then this documentary came along I've got a BBC I went back to school because bearing in mind I haven't I can't even remember doing an exam if I'm honest with you I was at work I was at work I couldn't care less I think I probably went into a maths and English exam I really don't remember and I was talking to this company you know like you have these meetings with production companies what's your passion what's your passion what would you love to do what would you love to do and they sit there like that and I spoke to this lovely company and I said I love talking caring, caring I looked after my dad my dad passed with me people don't talk about these things it was an honour and a privilege to be with him a bit deep I know and I said to her I love care I cared for my dad and I would love to go looking at care they came up with a great thing which is BBC Daytime it'll be on probably the end of May we haven't got a title yet but I go and do a level 3 BTEC in health and social care assignments, I'm in the classroom I'm with the kids I go to placements older people's homes dementia homes, hospitals loved it, I loved doing it I really loved it what I love about this is you don't know what you're going to do next, someone can be come up with an idea and you think yeah alright, I'll have a go but I do say no to things as well what are some of the things you say no to?

52:09just ideas that come up and whatever that you know it'll be an idea for a documentary and i think that has nothing to do with me i don't like what you're talking about i have no history no link to this whatsoever yeah and i think there is something about saying yes to everything people get bored of you as well it's like oh there they are again yeah oh they're doing this now oh she's doing that now oh she's on this advert that advert do you feel like you have to be a little bit you know a bit selective i definitely agree i think you know when you get into a space and you're a hot commodity where people are oh people it's like you're saying people will say oh you're so relatable what about this idea and you're like i i get that but i i couldn't see myself watching this thing that you want me to make yes so if i can't see myself i can't see how anyone who my friends and my family watch you let alone anyone else out there too apart from as you said like the nursery rhymes oh yeah yeah what do you think about this and you go actually i think do you know what let me have a little i can i think i can you know i like it i like it actually you know you you ever look around you ever look around your house and be like oh do you know what you need to get this floor done what's that what's that yeah yeah we can i can't have it we can squeeze in yeah i've always had a passion for doing arts and crafts mo gilligan arts and crafts explore the world of arts and or you're painting in the country with Mo Gilligan absolutely do you ever do this one I swear that's my idea that I've told someone I'm sure I've told a production company about that a day in my life literally is is messaging my manager being like hey look at this look at this video I'm going to send you see you oh my god that is I know right I swear that's what we true isn't it yeah yeah yeah a lot of those go on Yeah, 100%, man.

54:09It's been such a pleasure to have you, one, on the podcast, but it's really been a pleasure just to properly meet you. Do you know what I mean? And I mean that from the heart. I feel like you're an absolute national treasure. And the way you've been able to transition yourself from being on, one, on our screens from 10 years old, but also to a point where you front your own shows. Do you know what I mean? You do stuff as you. and people know you as natalie cassidy and they're not being like your son you know someone will always say that but it's like you say the name and you're like oh yeah that's yeah natalie cassidy yeah i know who that is do you know what i mean but also you have this amazing relatability that just draws people in do you know what i mean that feels like oh my god i feel like you must get this a lot where people say oh i love to have a love to have a coffee with her I love to have I get it a lot which is I think it's such a testament it's a real honour isn't it I'd love to have a glass of some sail with that I'd love to have a pint with Mo Gilligan oh he'd tell me all the stories what's it like oh they're legal they're right they must be in love I'd be like yeah man it was alright it's like because I drink but I don't drink much so if anyone is because I always do you ever get this where you go to a bar and someone really wants to buy you a drink yeah a lot yeah I don't drink but also I don't also take a lot of drinks from people No.

55:30It's just my thing. Nothing against the person, but come on, let me, I've got to buy you a pint. No, I'm the same. I'm like, no, please, no, thank you. I'm good, man. Because when you've got that pint, that's half an hour with that person. Ah, yes. That's why they're doing it. Yeah. Because then they feel entitled to sit with you because they've bought you that drink. See, I didn't think of it like that. I just thought of it, something weird where they might put something in my drink, like an ecstasy pill. And now I'm like, at an arsehole game, like, come on! that's that's my biggest fear no i don't think it is that i think it's that they get you the drink and it's like he's my mate now i bought him a drink we're just gonna have a chat yeah and you've got 25 minutes with someone okay so my my biggest fear is was sprinkling something in a drink i think it's everyone's bloody biggest fear not just jaws

56:19I can imagine me driving being like hey I feel a bit what's good hey you sweating too I'm sweating open those windows and then be like because once it happened to me but they didn't put so what it is I'd done this uni show years ago and these guys were like oh Mo we're doing a shot come do a shot and I'm like oh I'm good man I finished the show but it was a chilly shot so it was like a normal shot but it's chilly and I was like yeah go on do a shot and my whole throat was burning yeah they were laughing and i then i had to play off and laugh oh you got me guys but my god i was sweating for about an hour yeah it's not funny and i was like all right that's my lesson now to not just take drinks from yes people do you know i mean yeah um so for you like you know where you're branching out now and you have your podcast with like your family on it and you know you front shows but you've also been on a really iconic show you know what do you want your kind of your your legacy to be in some ways where you have a 15 year old daughter and you know she's skiing and stuff but if she was to ever go into the route that you would you know pursue what would your advice be and what would you want your legacy to be in some ways oh it's a very good question i would my kids love it they are eliza loves drama she loves to sing my little one is feral at the moment she's nine feral just runs around she's still a baby i love it she's still a little girl yeah she'll be 10 in august but she plays with dollies she she's not on ipads not snapchat nothing like that yeah yeah and i love it i love that she's little but i would like them maybe to just do it as a hobby i don't okay i don't i think it's such a difficult thing to get into my little one said i said what would you like to do and she says i'd like to be a presenter like claudia winkelson so i said that's fine but shit so i'm like okay well that's quite a big yeah to know that you want to present something and i think maybe you will do that i would say the same to anybody you've got to be kind you're not going to have an ego you've got to be grateful for whatever you do and you've got to make an impression you have to go into somewhere and be the best you can be but without being beggy yeah yeah which is quite hard don't be beggy it's hard though oh it's a ick it's a ick it's a ick whoever be you know you go in a room you're like oh my god i just love you know oh all the time though yeah isn't it just amazing here i just love it and oh my god you know i feel like we've got quite a lot in common you're like you won't be back you won't be back yeah yeah yeah yeah in terms of legacy though for me 43 years old who knows what's going to happen i might carry on doing the pod and that will grow i've been doing some live shows with that which i love so suddenly I am going on stage and talking to audiences and making a few of them laugh but with my family as backup because they're funny as well they're making people laugh but I do wonder about maybe doing that on my own at some point I would maybe love to do that but I love comedy maybe a sitcom of some kind I would love oh yes you know like to be I've done a few cameos I see that with your family with your podcast already yeah you don't know what's around the corner do you?

59:32I would love to see you do stand up I think you'd be really good honestly that's very kind if you ever want me to help you write yeah I'll take 10 % yes please yes please no but honestly you could have 50 % can you help me? I think you'd be a very funny comic honestly because you have such a relatability but you also have a really unique likeability as well and I feel like it doesn't matter whatever you do we're always going to tune in and cheer you on because we feel like we know you but also we're like oh like I know you but also you're the person that I would love to buy a drink for and just just to buy a drink not everyone would want to be like oh I've got you far for now but also you're just like I want to see that person win and if I can just assist and buy him a drink I just love to do that someone paid this guy to say all this no no no I swear I'm a big fan man you're making me you know like when we do the pod I always have like like a list of people that I really would love to get on and then sometimes like some of the questions I've asked today literally I'll be I'm such a happy man now so I'm like I knew it I knew there was a rivalry at the NDAs I knew I wasn't imagining and when I go there next time I'm like it's going to kick off watch Holyoaks they're going to kick off with EastEnders but no Natalie it's such a pleasure to have you on the pod man thank you so much for having me I've loved it I've loved meeting you and I remember we met on the Big Nasty show actually yes we did that's when we met that was very good yes yeah yeah but that was super Super brief.

1:00:58Super brief. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And a sunny show. But you know, when I met you that day, I was like, now Sonia is a real one. Sorry, Natalie. I'm so sorry. No, because Big Nasty kept saying Sonia and I kept saying, no, her name's Natalie Cassidy. And then he was like, nah, bruv, that's Sonia, innit? From EastEnders. But when you done that sketch with us, I was like, you are so, the fact that you leaned into it as well, because I thought, oh, maybe like, she might not want to, and I'd say it's to Nasty. I said no but bro like we have to consider that she might be like I just want to you know talk about what I'm talking about and not redo all that because sometimes some people are you know no but they're knobs if they do that no but the fact that you leaned into it and we done a whole sketch I was like yeah that was yeah that's when I did a rap as well on your show yes yeah yeah yeah I did something about being a strumpet having my trumpet yeah it's been a pleasure Natalie thank you so so much and this has been your beginning middle and end thank you so so so much thank you hey what's up thank you so much for listening to the podcast today now a lot goes in to making each episode i know you hear my voice but there's a team behind the scenes who helped make it and if you did enjoy it i'd really really appreciate if you could show the love to them by giving us five stars and if you also have the time please leave us a review it's always appreciated and we love reading the comments and of course we want to keep making it better thank you for listening and have a great day peace hey it's page from giggly squad and i want to let you know that if you want the newest and hottest beauty products you have to go to sephora i'm obsessed with the one size liquid blotting paper spray it's the first of its kind blotting spray that mattifies for up to eight hours it's unreal there's also the summer friday shade drops spf 50 which basically lives in my bag at this point oh and the kayali eden plush pear smells so good.

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