Tommy Fordham | I Built a £100M Brand… Then Lost Everything

0:00Hey, it's Paige from Giggly Squad, and I want to let you know that if you want the newest and hottest beauty products, you have to go to Sephora. I'm obsessed with the One Size Liquid Blotting Paper Spray. It's the first of its kind blotting spray that mattifies for up to eight hours. It's unreal. There's also the Summer Friday Shade Drops SPF 50, which basically lives in my bag at this point. Oh, and the Kayali Eden Plush Pear smells so good. It's sweet, warm, and addictive. like people literally stop me and ask what perfume I'm wearing which you know I love so if you want the makeup skincare hair and fragrance products everyone's about to be obsessed with shop only at Sephora hey what's up people my name is Mo Gilligan and if you're listening right now you're tuned into my podcast beginning middle and end what treat of a guest I have for you lovely people today here's proof that you don't need a business degree a trust fund or even GCSEs to build a multi-million pound brand and be featured on the Forbes list.

1:01We get into absolutely everything, how he ended up on TOWIE, what it's like to start again and his recent autism diagnosis and what really matters to him now. Please welcome to the podcast, Tommy Fordham. How are you and yourself? You alright bro? Everything is perfect man. Yeah. We're having a good year. Yeah. Yeah. Oh that's good to hear man. Good year. That's really, really good to hear, man. Yeah, it's flying. I didn't know originally you're from North London, though. You're from Islington. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I grew up in Islington and I went to school in Archway. Is it? Yeah. There's a lot of you Cockney boys in Islington, though.

1:35Yeah. Like, Islington is, like, in North London. Yeah, that part there, the sweet mates, isn't it? Sweet mate. It's like the little Islington, I think it's like, I want to say, like, Angel. And then you're talking, like, Old Street. That little triangle there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's where I grew up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I grew up next to Hoxton. Oh, is it? Okay. And you moved to Essex, what? When you was young, innit? Teenage, I know. Like 14. What was the change like? 29, crazy. Really? Crazy. It was mad. What part of Essex did you move to? My mum and dad one day go, listen, we're moving.

2:10We're going to Essex. Yeah. Got better life. There's loads of stuff going on. We get there, we move to Collier Road, which is near Romford, yeah? Yeah. There's people going around on horses and things like that. Mad. Mad. so then I get sent to some school there so I've gone from a school in London yeah yeah it's not mad school to like a school and basically in the countryside and the first few years was hard man because the wife spoke is it yeah it was before top boy and that come out and everyone yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah no it's all right though man it's all right I had some good opportunities at the back of moving I mean yeah man cuz I know like with anyway I've only been run for like what maybe once or twice but I remember even when I went there and i'm talking like i went there in like 21 22 yeah and even for us we grew up in south london and we were like right this is yeah this is far man we're like we're in essex we're like this is really far for us yeah so i can't imagine what the change would have been like going from islington to romford do you know what i mean and it's mad because romford's not really like it's not even it's not really it's kind of like an extension of it's something like dagganum I would say, yeah.

3:18So we used to have to get the train from Bromford to Islundon every day to go to school. What, every day? Every day until I left and then went to a school in Bromford. Oh, sweet. Oh, man. So like, before you got into what you do now, you had like, was you like a labourer? Yeah, I've done it all. So I left school and started studying architecture. But I've got ADHD and I'm autistic as well, I just found that. so going into the classroom and trying to learn was like it was a myth yeah yeah yeah so i followed my brother's footsteps started doing like architecture and like building surveying and stuff like that and then i had to go to college and i had algebra in there and things like that i couldn't do it so i that was my first job gone and then i left and was just messing around for a little while and ended up doing laboring and then ended up becoming a carpenter oh yeah yeah and then done that for like three four years i got to like 20 21 and then started like looking around where i was working i was working in central london and it was when dice pineapples first come out the rick ross song oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and i'll never forget i'll never forget i went from being a laborer and then a carpenter to watching the music video that and saying to one of the boys in work we ain't gonna get that lifestyle while being here man so i'm and that was it i left yeah and then just changed everything and when you left so what did you go straight into because i first i think followed you when and i think i might have even told you this you i think you was working with someone and there was like this clothing line and it was that dog tooth yeah yeah yeah and that's when i i didn't even know you was even on tower yeah yeah yeah I was just like, hey, this guy is dressing so sick.

5:11I need this combination of this T-shirt and trousers. And it was different materials and stuff as well. But that's when I first followed you. And then I think after that, I was like, oh, like, okay, cool. I didn't really know who you was, I'll be honest, because I didn't really watch TOWIE. But I was always like, hey, this guy dresses basic. But then I seen there was a few people in common that we followed. yeah um i'm trying to think now but i was like oh right those people i know full of rappers and things like that yeah but there was like people who were like oh what's his name it'll come to me from south yeah but like people were like whereby i done like sunday show and stuff and they lived in like you're in that kind of islington yeah old street area so i'm like oh right like he knows people i know but like he dresses bare cool like really cool do you know what i mean um that was years ago that was that was i was 21 then yes yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so did you was it was that like your your route into fashion those times or was it just working with other people it's actually mad yeah because i was on i was on towie and it never it was never a thing for me i never become like the other reality stars it weren't it weren't like i went and got loads of pas and stuff like that yeah yeah yeah so because we're talking 2014 these times 2014 that was yeah and that was that was the first brand we worked on that brand ended up becoming preview which was j cole's brand okay yeah it started off like a project yeah yeah yeah and then jake took it and done what he done with it and i left them when i started my first business yeah and then that was it man that was i ain't looked back since then it's been crazy it's been absolutely mad i've ended up building yes three fashion brands yeah um and yeah never looked back so you go from labouring to that so in terms of the architecture because I know you do your own sketches and stuff like this so like how was that always that something you just done when you was like in school like back of the book draw some trainers yeah do you know what I mean yeah so when I was in school it all makes sense now because obviously I understand how my mind works I didn't understand when I was a kid like I had ADHD and I was a little bit autistic yeah I didn't even know what autism was do you know what I mean so I had one teacher in school I really liked.

7:30So instead of really being in class, I'd just cut around the school and go and sit and do my graffiti in my book. And then end up being really friendly with an art teacher. And he used to let me sit in his class. So he used to sit in his class and just draw all day. So that's how it started for me. I used to sit there and sketch. And whenever I was a bit overwhelmed, I'd sit there drawing. So when it started coming to drawing trainers, the reason I actually got into trainers is I was filming and I was sitting there and we used to have long breaks between filming. And I didn't drink back then, either and everyone would be drinking and things like that i'd have a little sketchbook and i'd just sit there drawing and i started drawing trainers and that's how it started really that's how it all started yeah so then how do you go from like being a laborer then to like sketching you know sketches because i know you said you had a you like architecture and stuff as well so then how did the whole tally thing come about in 2014 then because i was i was like so so during them i feel like i've lived three lives man honestly because i went from living in london to then moving to Essex, moving back to London and then moving back to Essex and I'd hang around in South for a little while because I lived in Blackheath.

8:33Oh yeah, okay. And then after that, I went back to Essex and that was when I was getting scattered for the show. He was going around just Essex and just whoever was like a bit of a boy was getting scattered. And I said no. Every time they asked me, I said no. Why did you say no? Because I was too different. I didn't feel like it was me. I didn't fit in in Essex. I didn't feel like I was from Essex. I didn't feel like I was from Essex at all. anyway a load of madness happened back in the era and a few of the boys went to prison and I went and had a a visit with one of them and one of the boys was like mate you need to do something with yourself man we're all stuck here da da da like you've got so much potential you've got to do something as I left the visit my phone rang it was Towie so I just said yes straight away and that was it that was it so let me ask you this you see with the show is it as produced as we see on television or is it what you are seeing is what's happening does that make sense back then was different back then was different so what they'll do is they'll say listen I'm meeting you here and they'll say when you're there we need to get Sam out of the scene what we need you to do we need you to discuss the problems that you had last week with him that there that there and they'll sort of structure it and you go in there and then they would that's it but people like me and a few other people they couldn't really produce because they'd have to stop the scene constantly and come in and say what are you doing you're talking about all madness so we was sort of left alone but a lot of the kids that weren't as good as talking we'd have to get produced a little bit more but it is real it's real yeah that was our laughs because i always think that because obviously like i think now like being able to see how tv works and you've got producers and stuff but 2014 that's a different time do you know what i mean it was crazy and the show was you're talking like at least what like five million people it was massive per episode you know what i mean yeah unbelievable how did it start to change your life like getting recognized and all this kind of stuff uh i was young man i was like i went on there and I was young and I was like I was active anyway when I was younger I was just like I was just I was hyper I was out all the time partying I knew everyone it wasn't much different really you know what I mean and then all of a sudden I was going to Newcastle and it was like being in my area but being in Newcastle everyone knew me it was a bit crazy but it was good man it was good it was a good time in my life I'm proud of that part of my life I loved it it was like we went from from cleaning lofts in central London to all of a sudden getting flown around the world and it was like It was a life-changing experience.

10:54The best thing I've ever done was taking it. Best thing ever. It changed me so much, man. It must have changed your life so much because when you think of one, there's a part of you that's like, you're on TV, but you're also on TV being yourself. A lot of people don't get to do that. Do you know what I mean? Some people are presenters and they are a version of themselves. Whereas you get to be yourself, but then it's really interesting your journey now because people buy into you. Do you know what I mean? So almost like they're like, oh yeah, you was on that, but Alice liked the drip you wear.

11:29Do you know what I mean? Or like what you say, because you're very open with your social media as well. You tell people everything. What made you kind of have that juxtaposition of when it comes to social media? Because I feel like when I think of reality TV, and a lot of like women buy into the women do you know what i mean oh she's wearing now this is going on or you know even some of the bad stuff it's like i was in the newspaper oh you're right babes and like they'll message and stuff where it's quite hard for the men to buy into the other men do you know what i mean yeah so how was it beneficial for you with like social media like once you'd kind of been on the show and then kind of transitioning when i was on the show i loved it but you would notice that people was themselves off camera and then the cameras would start rolling and they would just become someone completely different and they would just have this mad persona about themselves which wasn't them right and it used to drive me mad because I just I couldn't get my head around it right so then one day I was going through a bit of madness in my life and I wasn't supposed to speak about it and I just started crying on camera and normally they would say stop da da da I just carried on I just roll with it right and I was like I've been feeling really bad mentally lately.

12:44I've had a lot of stress on. My life feels like it's coming, getting a bit mad, da-da-da-da-da. And if it was the first time I could really, I got proper love from people. And people really felt like they understood me. Because I was just completely normal. I just had something going on in my life. I spoke about it. And I used to read my DMs and see how many people's lifestyle was changing. I'd stop people from committing suicide. I'd helped people in their relationships from saying certain things. So I just took this one day. I just said listen I'm going to make that my life I'm going to make sure that I'm always the one that speaks about it no matter good and bad yeah yeah I've had an unbelievable life I've done everything I've gone out to achieve there's nothing out there that I want to do now I've done everything yeah apart from help people and be the voice because growing up I never really had that there was no one there really to look at and speak about things that was going on yeah so I said I'll always be that person and the good the bad the ugly and a lot of it has been the ugly over the last few years but it is what it is isn't it I feel like someone has to be positive I was like there's a lot of people looking up to people that ain't actually them and when when you need someone and they ain't there for you if you can go on social media and you can see a guy who's just a normal guy like me talking about it I might help someone so I'm going to do it and that was it yeah what are some of the places that you find yourself in or that you found yourself and you're like what is going on this is absolutely mental man what what through TV or through everything just through everything I travel the world man I've been everywhere I flew myself to China and ended up staying in places where I'll be there and I'll be like, yo, what is going on here?

14:20There ain't even normal toilets here. There's no food I ain't eating for two days because I can't eat the stuff. I've been everywhere. I've been to crazy places in LA, parties in LA with billionaires. I've ended up, I've been everywhere now. And I've done it young. I'm talking in my 20s. like a lot of my 20s was me actually being like yo what is going on how have I ended up here I've ended up from there to here and I still had the same friends as well yeah yeah so I was in these mad places and I was like yeah like travelled the world I've got I've been Paris Fashion Week and shown my stuff there I've been in how is it when you were in those places though Paris Fashion Week like are you are you very much like oh my god I'm here nah and I'm going to experience or are you just like look I'm meant to be here I've not thought about it until you just said it like i've actually done so much of my life like i've done everything i've done like the tv part i've done the part when i had like a slot and big brother i've done the part when i was on like celeb juice that was that feels like decades ago i've had the part of like the businessman that was doing the retail stuff so i was going to paris fashion week i was going around the world developing products i was sitting next to like massive brands i always felt familiar i feel like I'm meant to be there.

15:35Yeah, yeah. Every part of my life just feels like I'm meant to be there. I just take the opportunities. It's been a crazy, crazy ride, Mo, man. Do you ever miss part of that life? Because... Hey, it's Paige from Giggly Squad and I want to let you know that if you want the newest and hottest beauty products, you have to go to Sephora. I'm obsessed with the One Size Liquid Blotting Paper Spray. It's the first of its kind blotting spray that mattifies for up to eight hours. It's unreal. There's also the Summer Friday Shade Drops SPF 50, which basically lives in my bag at this point. Oh, and the Kayali Eden Plush Pear smells so good.

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17:07Our arcs in a way because it can be so quick. Yeah. And it's like, it's almost like, especially if you've got your day one friends, it's just like, we're going here, who's coming? And it's almost like Avengers Assemble. And you can do these things that are like, oh my God, look where we are. We're having the time of our life. but also it can go at such a rate and be so quick yeah that when it drops or when something happens that's very drastic it makes you go okay this is a little bit too much i need to slow down no i've learned with life that it comes in waves and up and down and just take it as it is like every single part of my life i'll find the lessons in it and and just take the experience yeah yeah i don't get attached to anything no more man it's just i'm just literally just living yeah i live in the moment now i don't have any other thought i look back at times and think wow that was fun and there was like the the fame part was good for us be it the business part was good for a bit but now i'm a dad i've got a lovely family that's good and i do other stuff i don't really think like that man i've just it's been so fast it's by the time i've looked back it's like whoa where's the time gone yeah generated like millions and millions lost millions and millions gone through battles gone through TV shows loads of it and all of it was sick I loved every minute of every single part of it because you speak about some of the moments and I feel like one of your big moments was when you know the stuff with Mallet was happening because I think that's the time that I was seeing it grow in a sense of I'd go to Selfridges and I'd see it and then I'd go somewhere in Europe and see it I'd go to especially when I was going to the States I started seeing it there and I'm sitting there and I'm like hey Roderick the shoes are like me and my friends would be like hey bro they got them here yeah yeah how did that start changing your life because didn't is it like so you borrowed was it 25 grand you made 50 pairs and you sold just a few just like about 5 or 6 right yeah it wasn't a big thing man it was a slow start because a lot of people I think sometimes it's easy to see people's success and see the fitness article yeah but they don't know what it takes to get from that place to having your shoe that one was different though because that one there I was young I was a kid doing that I was like I didn't have much to lose.

19:23I lived up with my mum and dad. I had the show. I was being paid from the show. I had little endorsements here and there. So I was all right. I was good with that. It's the second time round where it's actually a madness. Building the second brand. It's where everything's so touch and go. But the first time, it was like... You know when you go into St. Blanc, you ain't got any expectations, have you? So you just go and crack on with it. And it happens fast, as I said. And we built something. And overnight, it just started flying. and it went to such a big scale so fast that you turn around and you're like, whoa, how did I get it?

19:58You don't even remember where it's taken to get there until you stop and you're a little bit older and look back. And the second time around where I've got knowledge and I know what to expect is a complete different board game. So like now where you have that knowledge, what have you learned from this time around? Because, you know, it's quite a public fallout and you know, you was very open about talking about what happened with the brand and you know I think that was also quite brave because for a lot of people it'd be easy to just be like look it's happened I've now got this thing and then what happens is I think it's like a gift and a curse sometimes being so open because people are like well tell us then you tell us everything yeah that made me a lot of problems yeah my math made me a lot of problems being so open I'd say yeah majority of the stuff that's happened to me over the years has been my fault really yeah a lot of it has because I don't have any connection to anything and I don't care.

20:54I just keep it moving if I have to keep it moving. I'm not one of them people. And if I think something's wrong, I'll speak about it and I'll feel like my time's done somewhere. I'll kick out. I'm going to start again. And that's my personality. And that was all it was with the other brand. I'd had enough. I'd been a part of something so big for so long. I had achieved a lot of good things and I'd had kids by then and I thought, you know what? I want to do something different. I want to start changing people's lives. I want to not only be the guy that makes sneakers, I want to be the guy that can say I had a positive impact on people at the same time, yeah?

21:30And instead of me just going to crack on and doing that, I open my mouth and just start chatting those of, just opening my mouth too much about things, you know? Like just being that person who's too loud, always got something to say, don't care what anyone says, I'll say what I want. And it got me into a lot of legal trouble along the way. But with that being said, as much as because I don't want to keep going back and forward about this problem as if it was like all me, I'm a victim. Look, I played a big part in what happened with me, with what happened in my career, yeah? But it was also for a reason.

22:02I'm building St. Nuna, which is absolutely flying and I've learnt so many lessons along the way and I completely give everything up to my destiny and I'm so content with it now, where I wasn't before. before as much as everything was good for me and you look around and you say yeah you was there you was there deep down i was very unhappy oh really very very unhappy yeah because i always like when you do something for the first time you make a lot of mistakes um you have different partnerships and stuff like that you end up doing stuff more commercial so you can get money because you've never had money and i feel like i made a lot of them mistakes and made built a lot of stuff that I weren't really happy with.

22:45So when I had the second time around to do it again, I was like, let's go. And normal people normally exit in a different way. Obviously me just being so chaotic, I just slip. That's just how I roll. So do you think now that you've learned from that in a sense where you, you know, when you want to speak out, you're like, let me just not say nothing. No, no. I still do it. You still do it? Yeah. But then at the same time, knowing that got you in trouble the last time, or not in trouble, but you know, like when you say like, I spoke too much, I shouldn't have said, what I said, that hasn't changed.

23:16Because it's hard, I guess, if you, I feel like you wear your heart on your sleeve, do you know what I mean? Like what you see is what you get. But I guess it's like, also like the part of an entrepreneur, like, that's like, you know what? Because, bro, you know why I asked you? Because I've been in the same position, yeah? I've been raging. And I'm like, I'll start tweeting it. And I'm like, especially from a business point. Not, like I think from a personal aspect it's different because I can show my personal aspect from my work and my stand up and i can make joke of what where my what where my life is but when it's a business point and you're like you've been hard done by it you'd be like what and because it's also hard because you can't tell problems to people who support you that come from a place where like bro like i went nine to five do you know i mean like i just got a little nine to five job i might go on a holiday if i can so you telling me that this company double crossed you i i don't i don't care and i'm like and i think that's where i i sit in myself where i'm like the best thing for me to do is just not do anything but work harder yeah do you know what i mean but also knowing that my mouth could get me in a lot of trouble so yeah but listen you know i run all my own businesses now in it and that's the reason i'm so passionate about what i do because i want to be that guy that can do whatever he wants and like a lot of the time is that i express myself and sometimes I say things that get me in trouble sometimes otherwise but when you're in the mix of something that's going a bit mad it's a bit hard but listen that's why people love me and that's why people invested in what I do because I speak about everything that's how it's just me yeah I speak about what's going on in my life and I open my mouth about too many things but at the same time I was right on a lot of points what I'm just trying to say here is yeah is I don't become the victim in any situations no more I take the blame it's me whatever man I'll take the blame whatever I started again I'm cracking on again it's all good I don't want to keep like going back and forward of like they done this to you you done that to them listen I made mistakes other people might have made mistakes I learnt so much more and now I've gone from being millionaire mentality to billionaire mentality and now I've got something that's going to go and flourish and become huge you know what I mean yeah yeah yeah it's a weird thing man it's a very weird thing that I've got mate and I'm not like normal people I just can't be contained and that's why I was never going to do well on TV.

25:36I knew I'd never, ever do well on TV. Yeah. Because I didn't want to go to the events and start chatting to the exec of that show and the commission of that show. I don't give a fuck about them. I don't care. I make my own show. That's me from day one. I've always been that person and that's why I couldn't crack on. Yeah, yeah. It's because I know my, I can go and do anything I want in life and that's why I've got this mentality. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why I always knew. I was like, I don't want to be sitting around these people. I'll go and do this and that. So, yeah, man. I think the root though as an entrepreneur is braving itself and I do I kind of believe it's quite hard to do both is be like an entrepreneur and run a business and then be on television they're two different things do you know what I mean especially of where your business aligns as well and speaking of business you was in Forbes 30 Under 30 as well that must have been crazy how does that even work how does that would you get an email like you're not caught reading right when that come out either say swear could not read and write when that come out Is it?

26:31I generated over my career probably over 100 mil. And I could not read and write. I could not write an email or read an email. Oh, my God. Because I didn't know. That's incredible, though. Yeah, I was undiagnosed ADHD. And it weren't until I got medicated that I could actually read an email. Yeah. So how was you reading emails then? I had people around me, innit? And they read it for you? Just phone calls, man. Phone calls, text messages. And that's what caused a lot of problems later in my career. This is why I'm saying I bought a lot of it on myself. I didn't know anything, Mo. I'd come from nothing.

27:03I'd never known anything about a business. It was a phone call, a text message, this and that. And then all of a sudden, I'm running these big businesses and I'm getting noticed by Forbes. Man's wheelie dealing it in there. I'm wheelie dealing it. Honestly, I was going, I'd have business meetings on live. It was crazy. It was mad. And that's why it ended up becoming so crazy because I had my heart on my sleeve and I had mad ADHD. I never understood what was going on in my life. And all of a sudden, I'm catapulted into this big business, which is flying. And I'm like, yo, I don't really know anything, really.

27:40I'm a good businessman. I can build companies really well. But I'm a bit mad to be in this position. And I was a bit younger. So I wake up one day and I'm like, yo, I'm on the Forbes list. I'm like, yo, this is real now. And then we started smashing it in retailers, started becoming number one brand in England for years and years. it was just it was a rollercoaster man was there people that reached out like and started reaching out because I feel like if you're on things like Forbes 30 under 30 was there like certain celebrities that started reaching out that was like oh bro like see what you're doing yeah love to get involved nah I'll never forget yeah when I used to go to the NTAs obviously the celebrities like see all the people in like your category yeah like the big shows allow me don't you no no no not you no no you listen because I show love on the carpet no no no when I see you no no no not like that not like that sorry what I mean is you know like you got the big shows you got us who was on reality and then you got you lot on the big shows you're like prime time shows yeah you're different because you're that guy but I never forget I used to go to NTAs and not one person would say hello to you yeah ever and I never forget I got that Forbes thing and then I bumped in some people that day and it was like I got showed mad love because it was like the month after oh really Yeah, I got showed mad love.

28:59Yeah. Because that red carpet is an interesting one because soap stars are like, I feel like that's their thing there. That's their thing. That's what I mean by that. I know disrespect to the soap stars, but like, I remember like when I see them, I don't know his name, but when I see Phil Mitchell, and you know, you've got the fans that come as well. They were going insane. Even I was like, hey, that's Phil Mitchell, bro. Like a whole Phil Mitchell, bro. I wanted to just say hi to him or something, do you know what I mean? but so what was it like in terms of when you're on that list are people starting to move a little bit different do you know what I mean yeah it's a big recognition innit you're being recognised by one of the biggest like wealth magazines in the world and it was like 28 or something wow like I can't read and write come from like a mad area and just all of a sudden I'm on this list and it was like it was life changing for me really because you'd go to America and it would open doors up that wouldn't open before really As soon as they see you was on the list, it would open doors up.

29:58What was it like for you going to America with this happening? It was chaos, man. It was chaos. It was like, it happened after lockdown. I just started going, do you know what? I'm going to just fly into all these people. So I started flying to America, started banging on doors. They started opening and all of a sudden, that was it, man. We was there. How did Americans take to you? Loved me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you know why? Because what I've done was with America, not as a business, but me personally to build my relationship is instead of going to America and just knocking down any door I was chilling with the black community in America yeah yeah I was going to New York and I'd bump into like some people from like ASAP Mob like ASAP Nast and things like that is it?

30:44yeah yeah yeah ASAP Tyre I ended up becoming friends with ASAP Tyre and what happened was is we got brought over there by doing a collaboration with Coogee which was the sweater yeah because I remember we used to wear the tops. Yeah, we'd done a collaboration with them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And what happened was, and this is how the doors opened, we went to a party in Brooklyn and there was a few English people there who were like really fashion English people and then there was me. And then boys was like, yo, who is this guy? And that's how the doors started opening because they was like, yo, where are you from, man?

31:14You don't chat like the Queen and all that. I ended up being friends with them and it ended up getting in with these guys from like the Bronx and stuff like that. And then they introduced me to guys that was doing business in the Empire State Building. But these was like good people. From like, they come from the projects but they was designers so they end up being friends with the billionaires that own the brands. And that was it. I end up getting linked up with all of them and that was it. Next year I've done a collaboration with a brand that Biggie was wearing. Yeah. Just off the back of that.

31:41It was literally me going - How did that come out? Because Coogee is such a, like you need, I think, Coogee's not, like I've got a few like cardigans and stuff and if you, you know, Coogee's not, it's not cheap. That's crazy. Even when I buy it, I buy a vintage Coogee because it's cheaper. But also it's like, how did that even come about? Best question, right? Because that's how it come about.

32:04I always wanted the jumper, right? And that was like£700. And I'll never forget, I'm like, yo, I'm not paying this jumper. I'd always wanted one. I can't find a vintage one. So one day I'm sitting there drawing and I'm listening to Biggie. Yeah. and I heard every every every cutie with a booty wears a cuji on the thingy so I started listening to it as I'm listening to it my mind's just taking me to whether I'm listening to it so I ended up designing this trainer of a cuji sweater in the material for some reason I've just put on Instagram and one of my guys big up the twins they're from Manchester they used to have the hats with twins on it one of them messaged me and gone yo we are starting an AI business this was in 2018 I think we're doing the first shoppable thing so you could go on the website and you could spin a sneak around and you could watch a video and it will tell you what it's wearing the guy that we're in this with is the owner of Coogee where are you I was like I'm in London I was like come to America I was like sweet so I flew to New York and I got there and it was like this launch party for this big like AI thing and they was that's how I ended up meeting the boys from ASAP and they was all wearing Coogee and they loved the story ended up chilling with them and I was like yo let's do it and that was it that was it literally come from there and then after that um a few years went by and ended up landing reebok yeah and i was the first the first person to redesign the classic and and and the workout that must have been pig man yeah that that was it that was that was for me the workout that was for me how i got you know i got that so the guy that owns reebok pick up jamie sorter they own everything now yeah he i had a meeting with his partner at the time top guy he's american they live in Miami but he was from London originally yeah but I didn't know that he's ended up introducing me to the CEO of Reebok so one day I'm just chatting to him about Reebok next thing you know I'm talking to the CEO of Reebok yeah so he was like how come do you want to do it and I was like I loved the story of telling my childhood about how I used to get the bus to 38 yeah to Angel Islington to this store in Angel to buy my Reebok workouts when I was a kid I used to get two pairs a year one black pair one white pair yeah and they used to be shiny towards the end because they used to shine them up so much right and that was the best selling store in London what's your vision I was like look I want to basically put a bus pass on the side of the sneaker so it was like when we used to forge our bus passes when we was kids using pencil or what that in metal with the coordinates of the store da da da he's like yeah deal let's do it yeah so that was then the time of Shaquille O 'Neal and Jamie sort of just bought it and ended up getting linked up and then that was it collaboration Oh, wow.

34:43Yeah. So you must have some good contacts in your phone book when it comes to that world. Because it's like, I feel like there's one thing to be in that world, but also, is it being an entrepreneur, is it really about who you know? Is that a thing? Yeah, it depends because it's who you know until you get yourself in trouble, which everyone does in business. If you meet any entrepreneur and any billionaire, they would be exactly the same as the way I'm speaking. You know, when you say, I don't care, I'll carry on doing what I'm being me, that's them, right? Obviously, they're good to know if you want brand partnerships.

35:14It's all about money. All these connections are good until it comes on top, innit? And then you're by yourself. That's what you've got to remember about it. That's what you've got to remember about the game. So when you're building and it starts going really well and you're flying, you're the man. When it stops, you ain't no one. And that's about who you know to... Is that in the sense of to get the next deal or is it about... To get back on your feet, it's good, innit? Get back on your feet. Have the right people. like just yeah i've been i've been treated very well over the years because i've done the right thing every time yeah i've always done the right thing so when i was coming out and speaking about stuff that was going on my life i had people backing me a lot of people backing me to say if you need to get back into stores and things like that like the the the buyers of stores i had some good people and things like that but the big names nah man they don't really help you when it comes on top because they don't want to really tarnish what's happening with them okay do you So it's really about who you know, but also who you know might not be the person that can come, not so much to your rescue, but just be like, oh, could you help me with this?

36:17Not right now, it's too hot. Okay. Because I think sometimes when people think of an entrepreneur, it's very much, it's sometimes what you see visually on television of a, I don't know, Dragon's Den, Wolf of Wall Street. it's this you know it's cutthroat or nothing invest or nothing yeah i guess like it's also the sacrifices what would you say you've had to sacrifice because to be as busy as you are and be a family man and you know everything you else you've got happening how much sacrifice does that also take as well listen you work hard as well though in it it's the same as what you do you you probably work more hours than me to be fair because you's you's put the work in you going from doing you do stand up and then you're on telly on and you're on ITV or whatever the things are you're doing yeah it's like it's a career innit it's a career and finding balance is hard but the way that I've done it is it's my life this is how I operate so I don't mind working from 6am till midnight if I have to that's fine it's just me and over the years especially over the last three years I've learnt little things get me through like I take my kids to school and then I'll just crack on and wear like a madman and I'll put it in a bed and I'll crack on like a madman.

37:33Do you know what I mean? And it just becomes, it becomes easy towards the end. I'm going to be honest with you, for me, this is my life. It's easy. Yeah, yeah. It's not like, do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. No, I know, I always ask for the sacrifices because it's the things that people never see. They never see the late hours. They never see the stress. But it's my life. It keeps me going. It keeps me going. Even the stress as well. It keeps me going. Yeah. It really keeps me going. I've gone past the stress point. Yeah, yeah. When you go caught and it's on you, and it's really on you and it's touch or go, whether you're gonna get through it or not, then it's very hard to get any worse than that.

38:10Yeah. And that's where I'm now. I've give everything up to faith, man. Like I literally just let everything just be. Yeah, yeah. So I don't feel stressed no more. I don't feel it. I've gone past that. So you feel like you've gone through the worst of what life can really show you. Completely. I've gone through a lot of ups and downs and a lot of mental struggle to get around today and that's why I'm just thankful I don't take stress there's no stress is not being able to eat man yeah yeah it's like nothing whatever I might lose some money or I might have a bit of trouble here and there mate it's nothing man like there's people where I grew up from that didn't people where I grew up didn't even get to see 18 yeah yeah so like I've got this mad gratitude now in my life where I'm just thankful for every opportunity so I don't get stressed because I'm just grateful to be here if this is what it takes then whatever I'm grateful I take whatever it takes to be here I'm here now I ask for it thank you and that's it and that's how I work now honestly in the early days I sacrificed obviously I don't drink I don't go out I don't party I didn't really go on many like boys trips I didn't really have many friends I was just working you didn't do that much when I was younger I did but when I started when I started building the brand I cut everything off I stopped everything it was just me building the brand I didn't do anything like because I started going out young I was 16 I was going to Marbella I was going to our beef I was doing all that when I really got locked in I didn't do anything there was nothing else I didn't even train I was just working yeah like that was the sacrifice it took to do the first bit but the second part I've got different now I've got knowledge I've obviously got better contacts I understand how it works and stuff like that so yeah I'm just thankful man I don't take stress and in hey it's page from giggly squad and i want to let you know that if you want the newest and hottest beauty products you have to go to sephora i'm obsessed with the one size liquid blotting paper spray it's the first of its kind blotting spray that mattifies for up to eight hours it's unreal there's also the summer friday shade drops spf 50 which basically lives in my bag at this point oh and the kayali eden plush pear smells so good it's sweet warm and addictive like people literally stop me and ask what perfume I'm wearing, which you know I love.

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41:14am I right I'm thinking your your latest I say design but you've got the shoes with the crystal in it yeah yeah how do I pronounce that name citrine citrine okay I can't lie I've been fighting all day trying to be how am I it's not citrine so then you started citrine right yeah what made you get into that because I know you're quite big on things like you know law of attraction and you speak about a lot of that stuff and um so what what kind of because i feel when i first heard about it i was so intrigued to know what was the reason to put a crystal in a shoe but also one i know your reason because you're very open and you are into the law of attraction and manifesting as well um so what was that kind of route into that shoe so i've done a video about this other day yeah when i first become successful people used to say you're smashing it you're changing the game and i used to feel uncomfortable right and i used to feel uncomfortable because i was like well i'm not really done anything you created a business so what have i done there's nothing really crazy about it i ain't changed anyone's lives i ain't done anything yeah yeah and at the time of me coming up with citrine i was going through a lot of bad stuff was happening in my life i'd suffered of a few bad things that was happening.

42:34It was one thing after another. So, and I was the richest I'd ever been. I was earning serious money, man. Like, I think at one point I was probably earning nine mil a year. Wow. And I was young, yeah? So, I got to this place and I was like, well, I'm here now. This is everything I've wished to be. I've got the money, got the cars, got the houses, got houses around the world. I'm here. I can, there's something missing still though what is it's missing and i always used to give back it was always my thing i used to get the maddest pleasure from like finding someone who needed something and then helping them put them on the straight yeah yeah and i thought just i ain't feeling fulfilled here man i don't didn't feel fulfilled in what i was doing i was just making sneakers for me that was it so i thought i want to change people's lives with this man i want to get involved in wellness i want to prove to people that anyone can be whoever they want to be in life if i couldn't read them I'm right, and I'm on the Forbes list.

43:29Anyone can do it. So I started coming across, like, wellness and how you can, like, just live the best version of your life with less stress if you just give your, like, life up to being more optimistic, yeah? My thing was, like, well, what will be will be. Yeah, yeah. During that time, I just want to feel the best I can, during the good and the bad. So I started coming across, like, just more wellness, so taking my health more serious, the ice baths, the saunas, and then coming across crystals. I was in LA and I see there was crystal stores where people were like normal people was getting out of Ferraris and going in these stores.

44:02I thought it was for hippies only. Comes out and they're not. People just carry them as a reminder of like frequency, right? So I was doing my thing where I'd just go back to my roots. I'd be doodling. Anyway, we've ended up, all things have happened. I've ended up designing a sneaker with a crystal in it. I've ended up painting in it. And this crystal I put in the sneaker, yeah? It brings wealth, prosperity, abundance. removes creative block and helps when you feel bad mentally so i tried and tested it so i just kept this crystal with me and i thought let me try it because nothing else can can go wrong let me just try it and my life started going up and up and up and all i've done every day was every time i felt bad i'd put my hand in my pocket i'd feel it and i'd have a reminder of this feeling of don't worry you'll be fine just keep pushing you can be wherever you want to be you're there trust me like you'll be there and things started working for me so good so i was like you know what i want everyone to feel this so i end up putting a trainer and starting citrine and the first two years was all right i was obviously going through a legal battle being sued so that was a bit of a problem and then the reviews started coming in people changing their life people winning the lottery people getting job offers all around the world people from being like thrown out of their jobs and and they're being their last legs and investing the last bit of money in citrine and then all of a sudden getting jobs tenfold.

45:26It actually starts happening in front of my eyes. So that's why I'm such a big believer in it, man. Because I think to really become a success and really be that guy is you need to not just do something for yourself, you have to do it for other people. And that for me is what I get the most pleasure out of. I feel like you not only should have to be out there spreading the positive message in such a negative time, you want to help people get to where they need to go and let them know that anything's possible. I started doing it and I'm not joking, Mo, if you read the reviews, it's insane. It's insane how different people's lives are.

46:02Yeah. Since, I'm not just saying it's me, it's the switch of the mindset and it's different energy. Like, you can be whoever you want to be. And since doing it, it's just been mad.

46:13Because I think what, you know, I've always been quite open of talking about things like manifesting and it's interesting where it's very hard to talk about it from an aspect of sometimes you can be very open in myself i talk about manifesting and you know i have vision boards and i write down and i have lists of things i want to achieve yeah and sometimes i think it's very easy for people to link that to yeah you're doing all right like now because of course i can see you as the finished article so of course you're going to tell me to manifest well right now bro i'm broke so telling me to you know get crystal or buy this book and it's i think it's so hard because it's until you apply it do you know what i mean so this is where it's gonna get this is where it's gonna get good because you asked me yeah yeah yeah it's until you actually apply it you know i mean even for myself there's and you know it's it's funny where you know sometimes i do a show and they'll be like so i heard you into this like law of attraction stuff and i'm like yeah bro like like i am do you know i mean and then i think also now that i've added you know faith into my life and going to church yeah and how one like i understand manifesting on a different level now do you know i mean with my connection with god 100 stuff and it's so interesting i think now as you grow up and you have you know like family and the things you look forward to and i relate in a way where like sometimes the things i might look forward to might be from a business aspect of like oh I'm going to go there I hope the deal goes well because that can lead to this whereas now you're just like I just hope I get there safe if it happens it happens if you're not all I want to do is be back home for my mum's birthday do you know what I mean and I think it's once you realise that it's not a financial thing or it's not like what I can get from it it's like oh no no the optimism is in life not the materialistic things and it can work in two ways and that's why you know when you said to me earlier that's a bit mad for an entrepreneur to if something's made you problems, why are you going to keep doing it?

48:13Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, if you've seen this whole thing unfold of me saying I've lost everything over the last two years and then you see me get it back quick, you're going to know the formula's right, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I've showed you I've lost everything. I've gone show you that I had that amount of dough, it went, and I have to build from start to finish again. I'm not just some multi-millionaire sitting there telling you, use this crystal and you won't be skinned. I was losing my house. I was losing my house eight months ago. My house was my last thing. I nearly lost it. Millions of debt during making these decisions and things like that.

48:51Everyone else is going, oh, why are you still trying? Why are you still thinking about it? Well, that's where the story comes because I've now got a story to tell you, yeah? And I can now show you that this works because I will go out and get it back and I've done it very, very quick. That's why I document and speak about everything that's going on in my life so people can feel connected and people can feel the way it takes to actually do it. I'm not just coming in gassing and saying, put a crystal in your shoe and you become a millionaire. I was rock bottom eight months ago. Four months ago, I was losing money every month.

49:18I'm 180 % up now because I changed my mindset. I manifested losing it all, not just getting it all. I'd said to everyone, these things are about to get bad, I'm going to lose all my money, I can feel it. What happened? I lost it. Manifesting ain't just about going out and getting it. Manifesting is about you can get it, the good, you can get the bad. And then in between, you've just got to make sure that you stay optimistic. The end goal is exactly what you put out there. And that's what it's all about. Yeah, man. And that's why I'm so big on just like still being firm on, no, I say exactly what I feel.

49:49And I still talk about things every day, the hard stuff, the good stuff, to show people that that's what it takes as a businessman, entrepreneur, manifester and someone in the modern day life, isn't it? Yeah. And you got diagnosed with ADHD at quite a young age. I was older. I was 30. Was you 30 years old? 30, yeah. So you didn't know in school? nope oh I thought you knew in school so you didn't know when you was in school no no no no so how so what made you go to to seek the the I'd say what the medical advice to get diagnosed with because I started moving mad really like when you've got ADHD it gets worse as you get older oh really yeah if you don't if you don't do something about it it gets worse and I was at a time where I just had my little boy and life was good financially but it was very stressful with relationships with people around me and with ADHD you can't really regulate your emotions right so I was just becoming horrible man I weren't the guy that I wanted to be doing wrong decisions being horrible and it weren't until someone went on Love Island and left the house because they had ADHD I thought ADHD was just kids that would run around the classroom better naughty yeah yeah George had seen it and said wow this guy's the same as you she's like what do you mean he's got ADHD I said yeah but that's just naughty kid she said no no no he can't get himself out of it when he gets into a bad place he overthinks a lot he's all over the shop so i was like oh and at the time me and georgia was actually breaking up because my mental health was coming so bad i was aggy things weren't going my way i was just all over the shop so i went and see someone back and when i went and see him the guy I was like, yo, yeah, you've very, very much got it.

51:37You're top end of having it. How have you got to where you are right now with that? Because you can't organise things as good and you're just running on burnout. One minute you're up, one minute you're down, you get addiction, you get this and that. I'd been through every single moment of it and I was at the end of it and I was like, whoa, I can't take anymore. So the last thing I could do was go and get help. I got told I had ADHD. I went on medication for about a year which was very eye opening it changed my life did the medication help? yeah it did yeah it helped me see the world for what it is actually for the first time the only way to say it is I said to the man what's this going to do to me because I'm building staff in the background the business is doing very well and he said it will be like being born for the first time and I was like alright let's try it and I've done it and I could read and write instantly really?

52:24yeah I could read and write instantly I could suffer being around people I could understand why things was happening in life without getting too emotional about it and my life just really started getting better to the point where I could stop taking the medication because I understood how my brain worked and then after that I started realising that I was probably a bit more than ADHD and I was a bit autistic and that was stopping me from having so many friends and stuff like that because I got to a point where I couldn't be around people I didn't like being around people so like for example going back to the NTAs and stuff my agent couldn't get a red brand where I would not go and the anxiety being on the red carpet and having to speak to people that's how bad it got I could not do it so my life changed overnight I went on medication and I learnt a lot about myself and I've become a big advocate for it to help people change their lives it's very important do you think there's a lot of people out there that have ADHD that don't know it yeah man a lot of but it ain't just ADHD and that's something that I've learnt over the last few months is ADHD it's autism it's bipolar it's what's the one when you clean up all the time OCD yeah them things there are honestly very painful to have you know and I didn't know that I just thought like oh it's just you've got ADHD a lot of people have got all different stuff and I can see it now because I've learnt so much about it yeah and it's a big cause in people going down the wrong road people becoming addicts suicide side a lot of it comes down to that man yeah so that's why i've used my platform so much to to speak about it it's really important and that's one of my things i'll always do so where you are in your life now where it's like you know you're you're it's like you're saying like you you're your life is changing in the in the in the eighth month span yeah you said that you felt like you've let you've lived three lives essentially yeah so do you think like this is the last life if that makes sense or do you think there's another version of Tommy in some ways I feel like I've got another 10 years working and really building something insane becoming super successful and then like my purpose of helping people and giving back that's what I want to do I want to give away as much as I can that's where I'm at there's nothing else I want in life I've got everything I've had everything there's nothing I could not sit here now and tell you there's anything out there that I want that I've not had I've had everything I've had anything I can imagine I've had it I want to now become, be healthy be mentally strong be a good figure for the youth to show them that you can be the best person version of yourself and then also selling the business one day maybe for the right amount of money so I can go and help people throughout the world and that would be my purpose.

55:20That's what I feel like my purpose is. Letting you know that everything's possible and then also letting you know that it's very important to give back. Very, very important to give back. That's a big part of my life. And I want to live by that and I want to teach my kids that. That's why I teach my son all the time. I'll get so much joy from it. And that's what I feel like my purpose is. Just to be that guy that just... So like, and you say you want to achieve that in like a 10 year span or is that just, is it like 10 years achieve all of this and then after that is it to relax is it to chill is it a little retirement do you know what I mean I don't think I'll ever chill because my head's too mad I feel like I can probably get a billion pound valuation in the next 10 years I'll probably do it shorter than that whenever I get the billion pound valuation I then go on to the next thing because it's something that I said I was going to do which I'm 33 hopefully I can get it by the time I will it's already written I'll have it by the time I'm 40 and then I will go around and just make sure like I do the best things I can for everyone and just teach that's what I want to do yeah I just want to be that figure that growing up let everyone like can look at and say you know what he's a normal guy he done it wife and I do you know what I mean that's just that's where my story's going to end up yeah I don't see me chilling really though I just want to go out there and help man yeah there's a lot of people that need it innit and I think for me that's what makes me feel like I'm happy so that's what I'm going to do hey Tommy man I really appreciate you coming on this podcast because i've been trying to get you on it for ages i know you're very very busy and even when i asked it was properly off the cuff where i was just like oh do you want to i'd love to get you one you say yeah i'll do it man send me the time and the place so um one i'm a big fan of you just in general do you know what i mean like i love your honesty like i really appreciate your approach to life i feel like we have a lot of things in common and how we see the world but um everything you set out i kind of see for you if that makes sense do you know what i mean like even when you was doing the stuff with malik back in the day and and i feel like i remember it from a point of when you were putting up sketches to seeing it in shops and like you know i'm traveling as well and i'm seeing it i'm like all right they got them here and to see the transition because i think it's very easy to start something and then it just ends because i feel like there's also a side of people that they're like yeah see like i told you it will flop do you know but to see you kind of reinvent yourself yeah and it's like you're saying you know you've got another lease of life and you're like i've got citroen and i've got you know other things i'm doing but also i have a major connections that even if i wanted to sell citroen tomorrow i can start something else because i feel like you have a really cool gift of like people buying into you and not buying into you where they're like oh it's just like i really like this guy i want him to win and i tell you what if i've got my last hundred pounds i'm gonna buy these shoes do you know i mean like it's very very rare that people have that when they buy into them and not the brand but um just want to say grateful for that by the way no no but honestly man this is it's very you're very pure soul you know what i mean and the amount of times you just message me and stuff and always i don't know if you remember where like do you remember when we done um quarantine games

58:33I want some hair straighteners and I give them to the woman I give them to the woman after and she said listen just to end it I've got to say this we don't quarantine games and I want some hair straighteners and I said give them to the next person and she said I've got weave I don't need I remember I remember because so basically anyone listening I used to do this game on Instagram live and it would literally I would just purely pick out random just for a bit of joy and then like someone like yourself would pop on would play the game and then you won and it was always mad because even when my friends would win stuff I'm like guys man you can't win this man it's for the public man so I had one of my friends win something and he was like hey so what it's like a voucher so I was giving out like vouchers for like supermarkets £100 or whatever and my friend won it and he was like yeah so what bro are you going to send it I said bro you're my friend man I can't I can't give this to you I think I paid mine full and it backfired the woman was like no I don't want them why did you have hair straight in them I just had I bought loads of stuff I was do you know what was mad no I did not buy them yeah yeah no I think I bought those or maybe I'm no I got them given to me for free from my brother.

59:58It's crazy, man. I think they were GHDs. It's GHD hair straighters and I won them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, the good times, man. Yeah, my girl said, nah, I got Weaver. All right, listen, but that's mad to see from there to now, mate. I've got to say, I know this is your podcast, yeah, but when I turn the telly on and I see you, brother, it is crazy. Oh, thanks a lot, man. I knew you'd always do it, but wow, you must be so proud of yourself. No, I think, no, I think definitely it's interesting some of the stuff you were saying where you're like, you're able to reinvent yourself and some people can see you for one thing but you're like I have so much more to give and do and try do you know what I mean it's like even with like you know people have a reference point sometimes where and it might be similar to yourself where people are oh I remember you from the videos and stuff and why don't you do that anymore and you're like bro I could never pay my bills just doing yeah yeah no 100 % free videos 100 % I love doing those and there was that time where like you say you don't have nothing so you know I've got a camera cut the cans innit yeah chuck it up and see what happens but also it's like I like travelling I like trying to see the world meet new people but also I want to stand up I want to try and do this of course and I wouldn't be able to do that off just one thing do you know what I mean so I really like the point where you were saying about you know you've got to reinvent yourself and different versions of yourself but also you just it's trial and error do you know what I mean some things are going to work and some things won't but if you don't try then you'll never know if there's any error do you know what I mean for sure so yeah But honestly, it's been a pleasure to have you on the podcast, my friend.

1:01:26I really appreciate you. Your beginning, middle and end. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, brother. Appreciate you, man. Hey, what's up? Thank you so much for listening to the podcast today. Now, a lot goes in to making each episode. I know you hear my voice, but there's a team behind the scenes who helped make it. And if you did enjoy it, I'd really, really appreciate it if you could show the love to them by giving us five stars. And if you also have the time, please leave us a review. It's always appreciated and we love reading the comments. And of course, we want to keep making it better.

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