Kam Stocks on How He Made Millions Trading Stocks at Home & More

0:00No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And today I'm very, very excited to bring you guys a conversation that I think is much needed. Today I'm going to be learning a lot, like I assume you guys are, about the stock market and investing. We got Kam of Kam Stocks on here. How you doing, man? I'm Zani, Profit with Kam. Pleasure to be here, man. How you doing, man? Nice to meet you. And okay, what's the dynamic we got going on here? This is the best trader on the planet. Oh. Okay. So you're not the best trader on the planet. You kind of came to him? Basically, we've been working together for five years.

0:29Okay. He's the reason this portfolio looks the way it does. So this is a 114 % year-to-date and for those of you that think the screenshot is fake I can scroll and actually show you my trades. Okay, right? So I have over six figures in this account We have multiple accounts but the reason why this is important to show is because most traders on the internet cannot actually trade They're selling courses. They're selling systems, but they one do not ever show their trading results. Yeah, and two they don't actually put their skin in the game with their clients so they might tell you to take a trade but they won't take the same trade and the way our system works which we'll dive into is automatically the trades that we do are happening for our clients at the same time proportionally to their budgets just like a real hedge fund okay so just before we even get into how exactly you do this uh give give me a little bit of background about like where you're coming from and what you were doing that led you in this direction yeah so i'm from the silicon valley like menlo park Palo Alto home of tech right nation first company I ever worked out out of college was a company called beam which is FinTech financial tech so the crossover of finance and tech Goldman Sachs was an investor in that company one of the biggest investment banks in the world mm-hmm that's how I met investment bankers hedge fund guys and traders and while I was working my tech job making six-figure salary good job good life everything was fine but I saw people making money in a different way that bothered me because I didn't understand it and that was through trading options specifically trading options is something that the biggest hedge funds in the world do this is somebody that's learned this game in and out somebody that I trust and literally trust with six figures of my capital much more than this is literally just one account we have probably 200 350k so but that's how I got introduced to the world.

2:19So that was in 2017. And my sales manager at my company taught me about trading options. The biggest concern that I have with people that are learning how to trade is that they try to day trade, but they have a full-time job or business. So imagine you, imagine you trying to day trade, you couldn't do it. You said you did 20 pods a day. Right. And so for somebody who is a day trader, like, or who aspires to do that, are they aiming to mostly just keep an eye on the news and the, all these different accounts that are basically feeding information about companies that are heavily traded and then they're trying to kind of duck off and like actually make these trades throughout the day that that's the american dream trade trends and momentum and just word of mouth headlines right because like so many times throughout my life people try to tell me like yeah i'm i'm getting into day trading and my mind just immediately goes to like you are going to lose money you're full of shit yeah 99 of traders lose money because they are trying to implement a strategy that doesn't make sense for their lives example how many pods did you do last week maybe 10 something like that okay how are you supposed to day trade which means you're buying and selling on the same day if you're talking to me right now what if the trade needs to be sold right now right on your phone it's gonna be tough yeah yeah so we swing trade that's why we're able to be here right now because we have trades that are happening that do not expire on the same day that we bought them which means we can enter a trade today and we can set an expiration date on it for two months from now and then we have two months to be correct whereas when you go to the casino red or black it's right then and there gambling day trading the wrong way can be gambling if you are not trading full-time so the reason why most people lose is they're trying to trade full-time while they have other full-time obligations okay so all right oh wait so you decide while you have this career that you basically are kind of envious of like other people that you know who have this lifestyle and did you keep your same job or like how did you go about educating yourself on stocks so I realized I couldn't day trade yeah right cuz I had this job luckily my manager knew what swing trading was and he was showing me and I was copying him I was making a few grand here and there whatever and I was like okay I have two options I can keep doing I can keep swing trading part-time and then keep working my job but I'm already the top performer at my company and I'm kind of feeling like I'm just not in the right room anymore I'm 23 years old I'm making 150 grand a year and my colleagues are 35 making the same amount so I'm like something's off here and I'm looking at my CEO and like my VP and I'm like I don't really want this life at 45 like I don't really want to be stuck in San francisco where the male to female ratio is seven to three and dog shit and wow i never thought about that that's a huge downside to living there holy shit people don't talk about this at a high level but that's the truth for ages 20 to 35 the ratio is seven to three i guess it makes sense and it's extremely expensive so what are you paying for you might as well live in miami right or san diego or somewhere else and you had this realization before there was sort of like an exodus out of the that sort of area in terms of people just moving to areas and working remotely right Because this was pre-COVID, yeah.

5:28So that wasn't even really a thing. It was just like, oh, tech jobs, you're in the Bay or you're in New York. And New York wasn't necessarily an option for me at the time. But with that said, I'm swing trading and making a decision. I'm like, okay, should I keep my job? No, I don't really like the lifestyle in San Francisco. I don't see where this is going. I'm going to move back home to Menlo Park, Palo Alto, go all in on swing trading. And best decision I could ever made because now, one, I'm not paying rent, right? And I have no problem saying this. I had a place to live and not pay rent. One sec.

5:59Are you sure his mic is good? Somebody just texted me and said his mic is low. So just want to confirm. I can do this all day. You think it's good? Okay. Sorry. That's fine. So yeah, moved back home, went all in on trading, and just really never looked back. Really? Yeah. Okay. And so what does that actually look like, that sort of process of getting involved? And you just start learning as much as you can on an individual level? or do you have like mentors that are helping you through and everything? So there was a point where I basically told him, I was like, it's time to really go all in on this and figure it out.

6:37So I'd love for you to kind of share your journey of how you started paying for mentors, experience, learning online, and eventually found your own strategy. So for me, it was swinging, trading, and teaching is two totally different aspects, right? Trying to get someone to understand my strategy, my mindset, and the discipline that comes along with it. So I pretty much relayed the same messages that I got from my uncle, who was a stockbroker from Morgan Stanley. And he's my godfather. So he's telling me about the market throughout my whole life, just in passing. So once I started getting more into it around COVID, I just finished hooping.

7:13So I'm thinking about what am I going to do next? So then I started getting into trading. But before I started becoming any sort of profitable, I was taking those L's, but investing that entire time and studying the market. Studying stocks like what is it like how do I even enter these trades day trading experiencing that losing then Finding now finding out that I had that same Mindset with investing I thought about I was like why aren't I trading like this? Hmm, right? So once I started looking into it like the EYL guys, you familiar with them earn your leisure leisure, right? They give out so much free game, right?

7:50And one of the things that they talk about is, you know, time being your most valuable asset. I mean, outside of trading, it is. Right. So why aren't I thinking on the same investment mindset when I'm trading? Right. So like we said earlier, you could be making predictions on a certain stock to go in a certain direction by a specific date. We don't have to wait till that specific date to take the profits or to realize our gains or losses. Right. So I started taking that approach to it. And then once I started seeing my small account size growing on a weekly, monthly basis, quarterly basis, and I wasn't trading as much, it's not about getting the most trades to get you profitable.

8:36It's about getting in the right trades and the quality trades and things like that. And compounding and adding to that same mindset time after time again. So that's where I pretty much started. Basically, what he's saying is most people don't look at trading like investing. They look at it like gambling, and that is why they lose. And they think about, I want this money today. Yeah. So we're thinking about how do we win on a quarterly and yearly basis and outperform the S &P 500. Anything beyond that is a pure bonus, meaning in quarter one of this year, specifically a little before that, but December 17th to March 4th.

9:11So December 17th of last year to March 4th of this year, we turned this account from 25k to 104 ,000. We have a video documenting every trade. Okay. It's on my YouTube. And that's incredible. That's a 4x return. We don't necessarily expect to do a 4x return every quarter, but as long as we can do 1.5x, 2x a quarter, the S &P 500 does 7 % a year. Right. Your best stocks, NVIDIA, Apple, Meta, do 5 % to 10 % a year. So most people, they're putting their money into those investments without a lot of money to begin with. Imagine if I told you, Adam, hey, bro, you should put 10 grand into NVIDIA. And on a really good year, it's going to go up 10%.

9:52Well, you made$1 ,000 over the course of a year. That's not going to do anything. Your mic costs more than$1 ,000. So why would you do that? So people are using very middle-class mindset to take small amounts of money and hope it's going to do something for them. But you shouldn't even be investing into stocks and index funds unless you have a million liquid. Because think now, 10 % on a mil is what? 100 grand. Now you've made money. But 10 % on 10 grand is$1 ,000. You can't expect that to go anywhere. But we can use our strategies in the market by trading options. And we get rewarded for that because these are much more specific predictions about stocks with respect to just buying stocks.

10:33So let me break that down. Let's say I tell you to buy Meta. Do you own any stock at all or no? I do, but it's like the kind of thing where my business manager just has, you know, many hundreds of thousands of dollars in it. And it's like, I don't think he's really like moving anything around almost ever. It's just kind of like sitting there. I'm not trading ever. Do you know one stock that you own? Yeah. I mean, like Meta would be a good example for sure. So why do you think buying Meta is a good idea? It is. Because historically they've produced very outsized returns. and from every possible vantage point, they just seem poised to survive every change that takes place in terms of social media.

11:12They've done it over and over by copying all the features from every other app that they're in competition with. They're a good company. Basically, yeah. It's hard to imagine them falling off a cliff at some point because they're so diversified that, yeah, maybe Facebook, to me, looks shaky, but Instagram doesn't and WhatsApp doesn't. So they seem poised to weather all these storms. So we can make a specific prediction on Meta. Break that down. What's Meta at right now? I think like right under$600. Let's see. Around like 580, 590. So the way it's been performing this year, I'd probably say like - 577.

11:48Okay. So 577, it used to be a$700 stock. The low of the year was probably a low 500. So you can take an educated guess or a prediction, if you will, that Meta is going to get to $600 by next month or next year. Obviously if you predict that stock that was only$23 away from being $600 and you buy time on it, you're going to be paying a premium price for it because it's more likely to happen versus me saying, Meta's going to be $600 tomorrow. So now it's a riskier trade. It might go either direction. So the contract price obviously correlates on the strike price. You're prediction and the time that you have on your side.

12:34He's using a lot of trading words. This is why we go perfect hand in hand, because I can make that even more broken down for a beginner. What he's saying is betting that Meta is a good company the way you have will make you money, but not as much as what we do. What we do is we say Meta is going to go to a certain price by a certain date up or down. And if we start to become correct, here's the key. We don't need to be a hundred percent correct. It doesn't need to hit$600 if that's our prediction. But as long as it goes from 577 to 590, we start to make money. And we can take profit right then and there.

13:06We don't have to be all the way right like red and black gambling. So that is what options trading is in a nutshell. Then if you break it down on a more granular level, you have day trading and swing trading. Swing trading means we buy on one day, we sell on a completely different day. Like he said, we can say this is going to happen in a month, in a year, in two months, whatever we want. day trading means oh by tomorrow let me make this even simpler for the audience what's harder adam you're a star so it might not be that hard for you but for most average men if i force you and say gun to your head hey you have to bag a supermodel in miami without paying for it by tomorrow might be hard to do for the average guy good luck yeah super and supermodel is extremely specific It's just specific.

13:51But what if I say you have to bag a supermodel by the end of the year? Easier than the first option. I pull that off. Yeah. You're definitely coming out of pocket off that in the long run too. You might not be directly paying them, but you'll find a way. But it's easier because you have more time. Yeah. So the way we trade is more secure and less risky because we give ourselves more time by picking trades that have time so they can come true over time. Okay. So when you look at Meta and you say, hey, it's at 570 right now, and I think that realistically it's definitely going to 600 at some point in the next couple months or whatever, is that based on its past?

14:30Or is it more like you're really digging in and reading these earnings reports and trying to decipher what changes you think are happening to the business? And the thing that stands out to me, though, is that you're not only like having to make wise decisions about this, but you have to like you're also kind of competing with everybody else who's making these trades as well. Right. So you have to kind of be able to outperform. You have to also think about institutions are buying and selling the stock themselves. You know, they might have been having this for 10, 20, 30 years, however long the stock's been public.

15:02Right. So with that being said, like you said, you have to look in the past where the prices have gone. what is going on with the company. You have to pull that layer back and see what's going on in the background. So just recently, the reason why the stock has crashed so much is because possibly the lawsuit that Zuckerberg is facing. Right, all these existential threats kind of take a drain on the stock. And then think about Bill Gates being involved with Epstein. That shit sent that whole sentiment behind Bill Gates himself, let alone Microsoft. But are you also using your intuition about the market?

15:37Because like myself personally, like Bill Gates being involved with the Epstein files, if I was a betting man, I would say that in the long run, that is not going to be terribly consequential for Microsoft's stock. Or let alone Bill Gates. Yeah. Like I understand how it's, you know, bad press is bad press. But in the long run, I would say that the worst stuff that seems like it's been said about him has already kind of been exposed, which is basically like he's a cheater, which really is not really moving the needle when we talk about the Epstein conversation. Right. Right, right. So exactly. We can make money in two ways on that.

16:12Voice just disappeared. We can make money in two ways on that. We made money on a Microsoft put during all of this, which means we predicted Microsoft is going to go down. We made money on that. Do you remember the exact put? You don't have to. No. I already tagged him probably like 10 times in the last two weeks. What he means is he made money like over and over on the same prediction, like, hey, it's going to keep going down. Whether it go up or down. Yeah. But over time, like you said, it doesn't affect the big picture. So we have Microsoft calls for long term, which means by next year, Microsoft will go up to this price while we're making money short term by predicting things are going to go down because of short term situations like Bill Gates and Epstein.

16:50Right. Okay. And so, but from your perspective, are there stocks that you think it's worth like taking a percentage of your income and just having them in like stocks that you think in the long run are going to do well, or are you more concerned about doing these short term trades? Both. So yes, the answer is yes. but not if you only have 10 to like 100 grand. Let me explain why. If you have 50 grand, which is like a lot of money to have saved for most people, and you just put 50 grand into Meta, okay. You'll make maybe 10 % on a good year. That's 5K at the end of the year. Most people, their rent is over 5K.

17:26So what is that doing for you is the question year over year after year. Now, yeah, if you left that 50K compound for 20, 30 years, then you're going to make good money. But the goal is to trade your way to a million and then start to put more money into stocks while continuing to trade. So like if I look at my portfolio, I have 250 to 350K in options fluctuating at all time. Then I have a million plus in stocks because I'm hedging against my short-term trades with long-term predictions on the stock market. Like I own good stocks, NVIDIA, Meta, Apple, Tesla, so on and so forth. and a mil 10 % like I said earlier will make me 100k in a year 10 % on a good year that compounding matters but if you have 10 20 50 grand it's just going to take you a long time to make any sort of returns that can change your life interesting so but yeah like what really in terms of like okay because a lot of people when they go and work for a big uh investment firm or whatever yeah they're trading but they're leveraged because they have access to the funds of the company that they're working for right so they're able to like invest a lot more but like what is are there actual benefits to trading a million dollars a day versus a hundred thousand like or is it just 10x a hundred thousand i want you to answer that but but one thing you said that i want to counter you said there's a benefit to working at an investment bank because you have leverage of the company's money that's what you're saying right well i'm just kind of wondering if there's Yeah.

18:58Okay. The only issue, we have clients that used to work at Merrill, Schwab, Goldman, Citadel, because when they were working at these companies, they cannot trade their own money. Why? Because they have the insider edge. Right. So working for an investment bank doesn't benefit you as much as you think because you can't even use, you can't trade. So you're learning stuff, but you're still making the company super rich with whatever strategies but you can't use it for your own money so now they've left and they're like dude cam like we want to trade with you because we we know these strategies but we couldn't do it and now we can but um is there a benefit to trading with a mil versus a hundred thousand talk about why like you know how we talk about um basically like we don't need to get bigger returns because we have more money right talk about that all right so whether you had a hundred thousand a mil or ten thousand right that's the same mindset of long-term investing long-term trading long-term capital right returns being 10 % on the S &P what are we trying to compete with ourselves really not the S &P so if I'm trying to trade with a hundred thousand dollars what's 10 % of that ten thousand so if I can just bring back ten thousand dollars a week risking a hundred of my capital I think that I can do that without having to risk the whole hundred thousand dollars I can risk$2 ,500 or$5 ,000 of that.

20:25Only was at 2 % to 5 % of my portfolio, which is what we teach our mentees in the group. You should not be trying to full port. Full porting means just going all in on one trade and trying to get the most out of it. It's about compounding these trades over and over again on a weekly, monthly, quarterly basis. Right. So a lot of people are so used to seeing what they see on social media, all these trade gurus talking about 100 percenters, 500 percent, thousand percent return on a trade. And that's what they're chasing is that short term gratification, that instant gratification where they feel happy in the moment.

21:02Right. And then they'll try that same strategy again and they'll probably end up back at square one. More times than not, you're not going to beat the house. You're literally gambling at that point. So if you can come in with the right mindset of I'm going to risk only X amount and this is what I'm looking to get in or get out of it before I enter the trade, right? It's all about having a plan before getting into it, right? Not going into clueless, hopeless, or hopeful. You have to know if I'm getting in this trade, this is going to happen, right? Otherwise, I'm not trading. And I'll say this too.

21:35The benefit of trading with a million over a hundred grand. Those are both good numbers, but one is much bigger. What is the benefit? Is that we don't have to play with a scarcity mindset. So for example, if somebody comes in and they're like, Cam, I only got like$500 to trade with. Well, dude, I mean, if you put a hundred bucks into a trade, you might make$15. Even if you double your money on that trade and get a hundred percent return, which he said, it was very hard to do. We do it sometimes. We don't do it all the time and we don't try to. But if you have little money, we do do it pretty often.

22:07But if you have a small amount of money, even if you get 100 % return on a trade, you just made$100 on$100, 100 times two, right? But let's say we have 100 grand. Well, then if I put 10 grand in a trade, which is only 10 % of my portfolio, which is still a lot, like you said, 2 % to 5 % is better. But let's say we have full conviction. We're like, yes, let me put 10 grand into this trade. If we double it, we just made 10 grand. We're good for the week. Or if you just made 10 % or 25%, I just made 2 ,500. On 10 grand though. You see, if we do that percentage on a small number, it's not enough for these people to change their lives.

22:43That's why with stocks, if you have small amounts of money, stocks won't do anything for you. Right. But okay, is the software that you use or whatever, when you do the trade, they take a small percentage as a fee, right? No. They don't? So who? Who? The brokerage? Yeah. Yeah. Every brokerage takes a penny percentage. But when you have a million versus a hundred thousand, is the fee a smaller percentage of the total that you're investing? I think it's the same across the world. It's kind of set. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So here's how our software works. We know most people are too busy to trade. Right.

23:19Okay. We also know most traders on the internet cannot trade, which is why we came on here and right away showed you one account that has done 114 % year to date, which means we've over doubled our money year to date. And we'll probably finish at what this year 150 K Splend lightly lately I want to 250 to 250 which means Yeah, the returns would be absurd, but the point is Most people don't have the time to trade and most traders on the internet cannot actually trade What we've created is a system that ties us to our clients. What that means is this do you know what an API is? Advanced protocol index.

23:55I think you might have the acronym, right? budget. But basically what it means is I'm tying your account to mine through technology. So every trade that I enter here, you enter, but proportionally to your budget automatically. Example, I have 100K in my account and I put 10K into a trade. You have 10K in your account, it'll put 1K into that same trade. When I sell, it'll sell for you too. That's what our technology allows to happen. And it's fully SEC compliant and it's US options. So It's not Forex or other markets where they're unregulated crypto. You can just get rug pulled and screwed over right on a coin.

24:29We can't screw you over on Meta. The technology ties your money to me like a real hedge fund. So you can follow our trades at your own disposal. For sure. Okay. So how long were you doing this before you decided that you were successful enough and knowledgeable enough that you could start helping other people? When did that element of it come in and how did that sort of prosper and develop? Started trading in 2017. by 2021, we were doing mentorship. And then in the past two years, we found the software partner. So that's the biggest thing I want to say. We used to try to develop this software because we had this idea and it was very hard to do until we realized we don't need to develop the software.

25:09Someone else has it. And now we partnered with them to be able to offer it to everybody. That was as of two years ago. Okay. And so then how do you end up like getting clients or like how many clients do you have at any given time? We have over 1 ,000 right now. I'm going to look at the exact number. We have over 1 ,000 clients right now. And some, I would say, 8 out of 10 pick software. Because they're like, we don't have the time to trade. Trade for us. 2 out of 10 people, though, they want to learn. They're like, dude, I have the time. I have time to sit down in the morning. I'm either retired, I'm an older guy, or I just lost my job, or whatever it is.

25:43And I kind of want to learn trading. Those people come in and they learn our strategies. We have three study sessions a week where we teach them our strategies. They can copy our trades manually. we post all of our trades that we do so they can get in and out. And then obviously we have our software, which automates it for you. But how do we get clients? Podcasts, Instagram, YouTube, word of mouth, referrals. We have a huge referral network because when people start to make money with us, they want their friends and family involved. Right. Yeah. So, okay. You're telling us that this one in particular did 114 % this year, but I mean, there's got to be bad years or bad months or whatever like how does that look and is that difficult for your clients at times when things are a little rocky at times so we're really big on customer support and customer success which are two different things we don't have bad years we have bad months so in march we were down like 30k yeah it was that 25 was 125 and 128 then when the war started literally february 3rd or february 4th boom everything just got down and i swear to you on the 31st of january or something like that i told everybody i need all you guys to exit your positions now i don't care if you're down right now it's going to get worse and it's sure as hell once february 3rd or 4th came that market just dumped dumped right so that was a moment where like you said a lot of panic happened because is swing trading so they're so used to something happening instantly that they're trying to cope with the emotions that come with watching it their 10k drop from 10 to 6 in a matter of a day right right so now they're wondering does this is this trade even going to be uh work like what is this this is a scam blah blah blah and me having the experience and trying to tell them hey this is totally normal this is why we only risked x amount so when these days come we are prepared for it whether we were prepared prior to that and shorted the market or when that drop happens and if there's like all the technical stuff of support and all this stuff like uh where the prices used to be at or if it went to a lower price then that determines do we add more to this right so meta dropped if you invested in it at three four hundred dollars and it ran up to seven hundred and it finally drops back to 500, that's a good price zone to be buying in again.

28:13Right. But a lot of people, when it's at 700, they get kind of married to that amount. Exactly. And all of a sudden they feel like, oh, I've taken this huge loss, even though they're still in the profit. Exactly. So that's the whole thing about swing trading is having that same investment mindset instead of it being on a day-to-day basis. We're seeing it on that type of level. So then when those drops happen, we have enough capital in our buying power to buy more. Just in case from when those days happen. Right. Because they can and will happen. Right. And it's about understanding the market, understanding that your candles, the indicators, whatever that case may be, knowing how to utilize them.

28:48And after that, it's just being disciplined because a lot of people, they see it working. Now they're going to increase their size. Now they're going to go even harder trying to get bigger gains. And that's the hard part for a lot of new people. Experienced traders know that. They know to keep their their ROIs on each trade consistent, consistent, consistent, adding it up, compounding, compounding. That's another reason why trading with small amounts of money, you got to be right quicker. You can't average down like we're talking about. Meaning average down means when trades are gapped down, we can add more just like you add more on Bitcoin when it dips.

29:25It's the same concept and the same mindset. Bring your average cost down. Bring your average cost down. But if you have no money, you don't have enough to average down. But if you have 20, 30, 40, 50K, then you can handle the storm and you can put more money into trades because our predictions are right. They're just not right yet. So that's why, yes, we've had bad months. We've yet to have a losing quarter. We did 400 % in Q1. What do you think this quarter will end up? Is there a way to hit that three month mark? That's on a screenshot, but I'm going to pull this up. I mean, at this quarter, I think we're only up like 25, it's only up.

30:03I think we're up like 20, 30%. 32%. Yeah. Like that's where I'm trying to think as a trader, if I was new to this, how am I going to make 100 % in a year, right? Can I get 10 % to 15 % or 20 % a month? That's a wish. That's a hope, right? But how do I do it? So that's when they come to mentorship or they sign up with a software and let us handle it on our own. so um at this quarter i think how many months we have left or like a couple weeks we'll still be at that 30 mark if not 40 and then um and most people are doing seven percent a year in the s &p right but it's not that the s &p is bad it just doesn't make sense unless you have a lot of money already yeah to make seven percent a year on even a hundred grand you made seven thousand dollars over the whole year, you make that in a day.

31:00Right. Well, so when you look at the day trader idea or just being a stock trader in general, I feel like there's a lot of commonplace wisdom that people have, which is like, nobody's profitable as a day trader. 95 % of people fail at it, et cetera. How do you sort of combat that sort of thing? I know you said on another appearance that I saw that it was basically just misinformation that you don't think that's actually accurate. No, 99 % of traders fail. One, I'll let you put your reasons too. But for me, what I've learned is that you're picking the wrong strategy for your life. That is why I was very fortunate to know what swing trading was in 2017.

31:39Because all I had heard about in 2017 was day trading and people losing money, and I'd never wanted to touch it. So when I saw my sales manager, he was like, yeah, I swing trade. So bro, we can enter a trade, go work. And then in two weeks, this shit will come true and we'll make money. I'm like, what? Okay. Interesting. That made sense for my life and my busy job. If you have a busy career, we work with a ton of engineers, finance guys, IT guys, doctors, attorneys. These people are busy. They don't have time to watch the charts. So they either swing trade with us through our mentorship manually, or they just use the software and let us trade for them.