Liverpool’s super Sunday, Ten Hag sacked and a huge Hamburg Derby

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1:13Musa Okwonga: welcome to monday's edition of the stadio podcast i'm musuk kwanga i'm ryan hun ryan how are you

1:18Ryan Hunn: doing i'm good thanks man i feel like you've come in with far greater energy than i felt i was capable of so you're gonna have to i'm gonna have to grow into the game how are you i am well i'm

1:32Musa Okwonga: very well indeed yes yes good weekend it was lovely actually i think it's because i have nothing at stake in a footballing sense so i could enjoy everything looking at the way everything turned out we'll get into that in a sec but um it's going to be a very interesting season i think on all fronts. Yes, I agree. In a lot of different places as well, I think. Oh, for sure, for sure, for sure. There's a lot more to negotiate than I thought there was.

2:03Ryan Hunn: But hey, your plucky Manchester United scraped through a tricky home fixture against newly promoted Burnley.

2:09Musa Okwonga: Burnley, who started the season well, yeah. The promoted sides have all started really, really well. This is the thing. They're not coming out like clowns. So, you know, Leeds, obviously, and Sunderland too, just putting up strong showings, all of them this weekend. And their quality, combined with what the team's in the middle of the table doing, there's going to be some drop points all over the place this year, I think. All over the place.

2:34Ryan Hunn: Could rival the Sparta Bundesliga, I think, this season, apparently. Nothing rivals that. Oh, no. Well, we hope everyone's staying safe, staying well. Disclaimer, today's show, we started recording, and then we have to do some stuff again, because there was some big news broke, mainly the Eric Ten Hag stuff being fired by Aleve Kuzn already. After two Bundesliga games. Two Bundesliga games, three actual games apart from friendlies. So not great. Not great at all. We know it's transfer deadline day. The transfers are coming thick and fast to the point where it might actually take like a couple of days to really, really process the ball.

3:16Ryan Hunn: so what we're going to do is we're going to do Thursday's show will be transfer deadline day kind of stuff so that will go up Thursday to Patreon members so yeah don't forget if you want to sign up for the Stadio podcast or Stadio social club memberships you can go to patreon.com forward slash Stadio so we're going to start in the Premier League we'll do Liverpool, Arsenal obviously Brighton beating Manchester City Bournemouth beating Spurs all the games and then in part two we'll do the Bundesliga and we'll talk about Eric Ten Hag and we'll also talk about some other good stuff in the Bundesliga because I was at some games this weekend.

3:50Ryan Hunn: I was in Hamburg on Friday. I was in Dortmund on Sunday. So we're going to talk about those and then we'll do a very, very quick wrap up of other stuff. And yeah, that will do us for today.

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5:02Ryan Hunn: let's get into the football let's do it definitely the showpiece game of the weekend no i'm not falling for this what i'm not gonna do what

5:20i'm not falling for that a nine goal thriller two goals coming after 90 minutes and a red card what would you need you know it's actually funny there was another game on which is i think it was

5:31Musa Okwonga: a spectacle in berlin unfortunately not quite the football but i was on my way to catch up with a friend um early shouldn't laugh early that afternoon saturday afternoon and um huge police presence in berlin like the police presence was unbelievable like as in i counted like at least 20 police fans and i'm like what is this and i go and ask a police you know friend looking police officer and i was like hey um what is this and he goes i was saying for spaz and i was like what football match like what it's a football match and he goes yeah it's normal it's quite normal i said what what football match like who's playing and he said bfc dinamo against babblesburg oh oh yeah exactly that was his reaction that was his because i was like for those who don't know like elversburg were that rowdy oh okay uh so it was bfc dinamo at home for those who don't know like babblesburg have a fan base that is very strongly antifa and bfc dinamo have done a lot of work on the fan base they also have an element of the fan base that is what you'd regard as not not yeah

6:32Ryan Hunn: not renowned for being

6:33Musa Okwonga: it's very much sort of they've got a certain fan base that you know and so them and Babelsberg hate right now I get it yeah so actually Babelsberg were not intimidated by that visit and they won 4-0 they won 4-0

6:48Ryan Hunn: well anyway we can we should we should stop this because Liverpool fans are going to be coming for us but let's let's go to Anfield Liverpool winning 1-0 against Arsenal in I mean I think Sunday turned out to be like a really really good day for Liverpool obviously with the news that it looks like Alexander Izak is going to arrive as well which is unbelievable by the way Newcastle got a great signing great pick up Nick Voltamada yeah the player that Bayern were he looked great he looked great man he looked like

7:22Musa Okwonga: McTominay at Wimbledon didn't he like in his bag like completely glowed up already Voltamada a fantastic player who Bayern were after all summer as Ryan said who was great in the under-21s. Just a lovely footballer. And in that forward line, give him time. I think, you know, he will do for Newcastle in the early months. They will make this bold prediction, I think. In terms of the flow of the attack, I'm not saying he'll be... He'll get people involved.

7:46Ryan Hunn: He's like a...

7:46Musa Okwonga: Yeah, that is his... Yeah. That is his unique, I think, opportunity for that forward line. I think he will slot in beautifully. Yeah, really excited. Let's talk about Liverpool. Yes.

7:56Ryan Hunn: Quite cagey. I think Arsenal... in the first half probably probably just about nicked it Liverpool definitely nicked the second half yes if you were going to have to award it to anyone like a points per half William Saliba going off injured after five minutes did seem to disrupt Arsenal's rhythm a little bit I didn't watch the game live I watched it back after

8:21Musa Okwonga: Musqueira I thought was very good I thought he settled very well and I thought Zubimendi helped him really well dropping a bit deeper collecting the ball I thought he actually did very very well but this game reminded me Liverpool fans I'm sorry to give this amateur reference but playing football years and years ago there was a game we played where the coach said to us you want the strikers you are not going to score today you are not going to score today because what's going to happen is the pitch will be so compressed and the count will be watched so tightly your job is actually to pin the centre-backs and allow the midfield to actually because they're going to score and actually our centre-mid score twice.

8:58Musa Okwonga: Maybe it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. But I remember that game because it reminded me so much of this and the amount of work that Jokeres did. There'll be a lot of talk about Jokeres. None of this is his fault. I thought he was excellent, actually. In terms of the brief he executed and actually the thing that I would, I think my one criticism in this game, this is to praise Liverpool in a second, but just with Arsenal for the time being, the thing that I noticed, it felt like there were like two Arsenal teams. There was the front three and then there was like the rest of the pitch. And the problem that Arsenal had was they weren't connecting, they weren't linking up.

9:31So quite often, a damning indictment of this is when you see

9:35Musa Okwonga: Madueke cutting into the box and cutting it back in the second half. And the first person to enter the box in the central area is Calafiore. That is not acceptable in terms of like the time of attack you're trying to do. And I think what Liverpool did superbly, and this is credit to them, their pressing was off the scale, right? So the moment I think they really epitomize this for Liverpool and the quality of their intensity throughout the team. And Florian Witt's included in that because I thought defensively he was superb. Raya plays the ball out. And who is the player that picks it up 30 yards from goal to press it?

10:09Musa Okwonga: It's Van Dijk. Van Dijk from a goal kick. Like if you just look back in time and how futuristic this is, 30 years ago, the idea of a centre-back applying pressure that the only passing lane that Raya saw was a centre-back with an exceptional first touch. You know, Van Dijk has got like a better first touch than most strikers. So that is what Liverpool created, I think, and what they did so well to Arsenal. Their pressure was so good that when you could see in the first half, even when Arsenal had the better first half, I think, even when Arsenal were countering, there was a hesitation because they knew if they got too open, bang.

10:46Ryan Hunn: There's going to be the same kind of worries or angst around Arsenal and like, oh, is it too conservative and we should have done this and should have done this. I don't think this was really the game for that kind of analysis. I don't think either side was mega. Arna Slott said something similar afterwards where he was like, it wasn't a great game. And it wasn't a great game. I don't think it was. There wasn't a huge amount of proper, proper quality on show. I think it was just very cagey. It doesn't have big watchback. No, not at all. Watchback. But also, just before we move on to Liverpool from an Arsenal point of view, six points from those opening three, I'm alright with that actually

11:25Musa Okwonga: it's good it's good look I think Liverpool for them if you look at what they've got from these games considering the defensive issues this is superb Kerkers I thought was fantastic

11:37Ryan Hunn: you know and this is

11:38Musa Okwonga: the thing because I thought this was his

11:39Ryan Hunn: best game so far

11:40Musa Okwonga: well the biggest it had to be because the biggest compliment to Madueke was that Saka in my opinion was not missed on the right flank he really wasn't Kerkers was that good there was talk about him being caught out for long balls I thought that was completely unfair I thought he I thought Kirchner struck a fantastic balance between being enterprising going forward and always watching the backdoor in terms of Madureke cutting in. And I thought he was excellent. He had to be at his best and he was virtually flawless in this game. I thought Soboslai again, you know, exceptional goal should come to him in a bit.

12:13Musa Okwonga: And this is the thing that Soboslai as a right back, as an inter-defensive context, we talked about the Valverde comparisons. They're now feeling valid in the sense that his positioning was really strong and you've got to be this here's the thing as a winger you have to offer more than running him behind against them he's just too

12:33Ryan Hunn: smart for that which is why i think as a glad you said smart because he's i was going to say he's a

12:37Musa Okwonga: very clever footballer right absolutely there's more you can't just be like oh he's going to leave space because he's not a natural right back which i think is what arteta maybe gambled on because that's what martin anything offers you so well like let's burst out him let's hit the byline he's actually just a bit too canny for all of that and you saw it and in terms of there's a very funny moment in this of the discord the kind of the first off these are perhaps the two most beautiful fullbacks in world football so much like calafiore um that flank was basically a red carpet it's basically red carpet the met gala just the heat map was blurred it had to get blurred out down that just had a watershed they were actually an excellent match up for it they were actually the two of them had fantastic games i thought uh califiori handled all his defensive business and took up some really good attacking positions too i thought he was really strong um credit again to graven burke i thought ecotica had a very difficult game again rather like you're chris but you know what he you know what though just to jump in yeah in defense of ecotica and i think

13:44Ryan Hunn: in defence of Liverpool actually as well because some Liverpool fans might be looking at this and being like we didn't really do a huge amount you're not going to play against defences like that very often

13:54Musa Okwonga: and that is not a knock on Eketike Eketike basically got

13:56Ryan Hunn: this is what I'm saying I don't think he was dreadful and he probably had his least impressive game so far for Liverpool but he's coming up against the best defence in the league to be fair to Eketike he was being used like a climbing frame at certain points they were absolutely clambering all over this man but they had to because they knew that that was going to be a battle that they had to win right yeah totally And I think that the problem with, I think for Liverpool's point of view, this result is so massive because this team is going to click at one point. And there are a lot of new pieces involved.

14:26Ryan Hunn: A game like this, I think before the international break, I don't think they had to win it, but they definitely couldn't lose it, Liverpool. And the fact that they did get out of it with, you know, the game is decided by an absolutely unbelievable free kick that you just can't do anything about. someone's seen a couple of people say oh if Raya did like did this I was like no man you've just got to be like

14:48Musa Okwonga: someone predicted this someone I can't remember who it was but someone apologies for one of our listeners who predicted it but they said Raya has been so good today he's been unconscious that the goal that beats him will have to paint the corner of the net his reaction after

15:01Ryan Hunn: you see it when he's kind of just like what do you want to do what do you want to do with that like that unbelievable freak sobs like unleashed an absolute

15:10Musa Okwonga: banger but the thing the thing about that and i i know i'm splitting hairs here but so to ekatike i thought battle really well front it's one of those games as a center forward you're complaining your game but secretly you're loving it because you were in a scrap you were loving it i think vietz actually had a similar energy because it was a hard one victory and he played himself into the game he found his rhythm eventually in this match and he started to show some good signs but i think Yeah, he did. He did. But I'm surprised that anybody didn't. But I think what I would say in this game, there's a crucial period at about an hour in where Arsenal just invite too much pressure.

15:48Musa Okwonga: That's when I think the sub should happen. Because what happens is that is when the concrete dries. And all of a sudden, Liverpool set up shop in that position. And I think Martinelli wasn't getting much out of Saba Slai. He was getting nothing at all. Eze, I think, in that position, ball carrying, because you knew that your only out was Madueke. You knew that Mourinho wasn't going to crash the box. Rice, in terms of his movement, his discipline, I think Rice was given a watching brief. He wasn't given license to bomb forward. So the kind of run that Rice should be making wasn't happening. Liverpool were like, oh, we suddenly have the time of day here and we can move.

16:23And they ended up in that central area and something, it could have been a free kick or

16:27Musa Okwonga: anything or a corner kick or set piece. But I remember thinking something is going to happen at this point because Arsenal have not chosen this. And then, you know, they haven't chosen to assert themselves. And to be honest, when Dowman came on and was running up people who looked brilliant, I was like, this feels like chasing the game now.

16:43Ryan Hunn: It did. It felt like one of those things where you're like, you kind of know it's done.

16:47Musa Okwonga: See, that's when Ancelotti gambles. The difference between Arteta and Ancelotti in this specific context is that is when someone goes, that's when a certain manager goes, okay, I'm just going to like flip the deck here. And don't get me wrong. I don't think it's right to start all your own plays at once. I think there's something about easing your players in. And I don't think this was a necessarily conservative performance in Arsenal. If it had been, they'd have whacked the ball long the entire game. But they didn't. They played out under extreme pressure throughout the game. So I compliment them for that.

17:18Musa Okwonga: I just think it's that 10-minute period between 60 and 70 minutes. That is what I look back to the whole time, because that's when you could feel Liverpool go, oh, we are like, this was the key. This was the, yeah, it was the witching hour.

17:28Ryan Hunn: no you're totally right man because like Erdogan and Eze come on at about 70 minutes I feel like it's probably before that that they need to really kick into

17:37Musa Okwonga: it's shifted yeah and it was so strange it was like it's all those intangible moments it's like feel it was like a jam session when someone hits a good groove and I was like Liverpool just got into that they got into their pocket and then Curtis Jones as well with a really strong showing too when he came on McAllister again doing a lot of thankless work at the base of that midfield the thing I love about this Liverpool team is just the self-sacrificial nature of that midfield. They just don't care what the stats are. It's actually quite similar to Madrid a couple of years ago when it's like, we don't care who gets the numbers as long as we get the result.

18:09Ryan Hunn: I think Ryan Gravenbeck as well was pretty good for Liverpool. Yeah, great again. I think he's, yeah, putting in some good performances as well. But yeah, good win for Liverpool, especially, like I say, in a game that no big chances were created. So, one that just looks set. It was weird actually because even the atmosphere, everyone kind of looked set to just take a draw and be like this is fine actually that's just felt like it was moving

18:33Musa Okwonga: yeah towards that yeah

18:35Ryan Hunn: one final thing on Liverpool before we move on to the rest of the Premier League they pretty much have got Alexander Izak so I thought Moussa you would like five minutes on waxing lyrical because you did say to be fair you did say they need Alexander Izak I think they do and they've got him they do need him I think and And just because Eketike has started the season really well, just because Cody Gakbo started really well, Eketike will at some point struggle just because it's a new league of the not to get used to. And his ascent has been really, really rapid. And I just think when you have a young striker like him, who's extremely gifted, but still finding his bearings, you need someone, if you're going to launch a campaign for the biggest prizes, you need someone who is just comfortable in those spaces already.

19:23You need someone who Van Dijk will turn up each morning for training and be like, yeah, I'm not that happy to see you on the pitch, but, uh, I got to deal with this. And I think Isak offers all of that. And I just think the variety that he gives Liverpool now, both can play off a striker, both can play as the lead striker. They can play alongside each other. They can both pull wide. I mean, it's unbelievable. Even they're kind of, um, there's maps they have that map their sort of skill sets and their creativity. They're virtually identical. Uh, although of course, Ekutika played in Bundesliga.

19:55It's a different sort of, level of football obviously to the premier league but he's adjusted so so quickly that frankly as if he's been playing here for two or three seasons so i just think it's gold for liverpool uh it's terrifying for everyone else dude it's so scary wow it's so scary it's unreal this is like this is like when it's potentially this is a big shout but you know like when Arsene Wenger said he wanted to buy Thierry Henry and Eklis and Elke alongside each other and then have someone playing off them. Of course, that's what it does. With a front two, it makes the narrowness, it gives a narrowness to your team, potentially you don't exactly necessarily want.

20:36But I think the thing about Eketike and Isak is they're such good creators. They can thrive. They can swap in and out for Gakpo. That's the thing. I really think those three that will rotate Gak, Poeka, TK and Isak. It's a golden triangle. But then Viet supplying them. Goodness. It's unbelievable.

20:57Ryan Hunn: It's terrifying. But also it's made possible by Liverpool's transfer business over the last however many years and also that they've sold quite well this summer. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, the longest transfer saga of the summer is over. We'll probably talk more about Isak on Thursday once it's all been announced and everything. It looks like Joran Whistler's going to Newcastle after all. And Valdemar too. I mean, that's good business for Newcastle, I think. So Liverpool are top, the only side in the league with a 100 % record after three games. Second to Chelsea who beat Fulham 2-0 on Saturday. Fulham very unlucky.

21:36Ryan Hunn: Josh King goal disallowed for an offensive foul which the PGMOL have come out and apologised As I said, it was a mistake. I'm not sure why they didn't realise that in the moment because it was so clearly an error. Ja Pedro scoring deep into stoppage time at the end of the first half and then an Enzo Fernandes penalty.

21:59Musa Okwonga: Ja Pedro has cracked the code of how to play as a nine, a striker for Chelsea, which is just don't be the nine. Be withdrawn. He's done really well for them. Sad news for Liam De Lappe, who's injured. He's out for a few weeks.

22:12Ryan Hunn: Yeah, and it looked like that was going to stop Nicholas Jackson's move to Bayern but that looks like it's now going ahead but yeah we'll keep an eye on any other moves from Chelsea but some other games Leeds United and Newcastle United drawing 0-0 not a great point for Leeds amazing they've had a decent start man like I mean a Bali Arsenal game which I mean they could just chalk up as one they're like right we're not going to pick and they clearly have

22:34Musa Okwonga: and they clearly have because to come back from a 5-0 and just like get the draw

22:38Ryan Hunn: four points from those three opening three games I think is very very good for them Everton beating Wolves 3-2 away. That's a horrible start they had by the way as well. Yes. That's a horrible start. Everton, Newcastle, Arsenal. Yeah. God, yeah. Back-to-back wins for Everton. Bournemouth beating Spurs 1-0. Everton looked great by the way, very quickly. Grealish looking really good too and Beto getting among the goals, so yeah, really good. Two more assists for Jack Grealish. Yeah, yeah. Bournemouth beating Spurs 1-0 at Spurs. An early deflected goal from him and ilsen was enough and isn't that uh didn't someone say that i saw something forgive me i can't remember who it was but they said that spurs have lost their following home game after beating city away like every time they've done that or something that's so funny so if it takes so much out of you but yeah look it's bournemouth they're not clowns you know no not they're really not so strong strong start for them to be honest as well strong start for Sunderland yeah being Brentford 2-1

23:43Musa Okwonga: they must be absolutely floating they must be floating on air after that start yeah it's so good what are they

23:50Ryan Hunn: they are 6th with 6 points so look at who's on 6 points Arsenal Spurs Everton Sunderland Bournemouth and then Palace on 5 points you've got a great win against Villa listen Glasnepaul Glasnepaul but considering you know the amount of departs they might lose Gaye still they lost Adam Wharton for injury obviously they've lost Eze and they you know lost Elise last season like winning the cup then winning the community shield and then just keeping it keeping it going but they like they like playing Villa they've got a good record against Villa

24:25Musa Okwonga: yeah but what what if Glasner has activated Eintracht Kamada what if he's actually unleashed what if he's unlocked it danger they're going to win the conference league that's my shot this year That is a problem. They are, if Crystal, because look, I love that actually they're in the conference league just because after the Eze lost, I think we talked about this, maybe the squad is better suited to a campaign less intense at Europa League level, but they could go deep in that. And Kamada is brilliant and we haven't really seen him at the Eidrack Frankfurt level consistently since he left there.

24:55Musa Okwonga: This is the time to do it and they've got a really good selection around them. Plus Mateta doing this little playmaking. Can't be kicking the corner flag anymore though. No, that's absolutely right. absolutely right

25:07Ryan Hunn: another 3-0 away win West Ham against Forest and do you know what if Callum Wilson had been there one more season I think we would have been on for a hat trick of badge kisses we had two we had two for the opening two goals

25:24Musa Okwonga: I love the Callum Wilson signing for West Ham because I've always loved him as a finisher like he always seemed to get his goals if you think how much he was in and out of the team not well to him starting sometimes off the bench he kind of always chipped in he always got his goals and actually they had to um strange to say this because they lost 3-0 at home but credit to both teams here because nottingham forest applied a lot of pressure before west ham got their opener actually they they really had the opportunities to take this game far away from west ham but west ham hung in there and they showed a resilience that look i know it's three games into the season but there was already a bit of concern, I think, over them.

26:02Musa Okwonga: But with Pat Katar scoring the second and, you know, looking really, really excited about, you know, just being in a West Ham shirt still, hopefully he hangs around. Coded celebration. Well, Miguel Delaney does this. He had an offer and he was just like, get out of here. I'm kissing the badge. What I would say about that, I mean, there's Miguel Delaney said an interesting thing in his newsletter, but about how he expected transfer day, deadline day to be like one of the busiest for a very long time. because so many like clubs, wealthy clubs have a huge service of players. But hopefully, Pakatar is not part of that activity.

26:37Ryan Hunn: Manchester United, 97th minute penalty to beat Burnley. But, it should have been done way before this. And Rupert Amorim, his whole energy for the second half, especially when Brian Mbumo scored, it was just more like, about fucking time. the whole thing was just like i've been waiting for an hour and a half 26 shots united had 26

27:05Musa Okwonga: shots six from burnley expected goals 3.63 burnley's 1.2 united missed two big chances like they had double the passes of burning like it's so strange because that result in isolation that that that those stats in isolation that is what a top half table team should be doing to a team that on paper is expected to struggle, like in terms of the stats and everything, but it's just the anxiety around Manchester United, the conversation around them. And that this almost needs to be a choice, I think at this point, to be like, are we going to just brazenly just back this guy through all the shame and just, you know, take the shock, absorb the shock of a loss to Grimsby, who was superb that night and just roll with it.

27:56Well, we'll see. But in isolation, look, it's three points and they were repaid for their attacking enterprise eventually. So, you know, take the points and run. That is a club that can definitely do with international break. I mean, absolutely. Oh, yeah.

28:17Ryan Hunn: Do you know who else could do with an international break? Manchester City, who lost away at Brighton again. Yeah, yeah. Repeating patterns from Manchester City. They lost 2-1 last year at Brighton. they've lost 2-1 at Brighton this year. Brighton coming from a goal down, Erling Haaland gave Man City the lead after a couple of chances. One was very strange and he had a bit of a... Who did he have a tussle with? He had a tussle with Van Hecker who is notoriously a pain in the ass on the football pitch. He's such a... Van Hecker is such a naughty footballer actually.

28:46Musa Okwonga: He's a good barometer because if you're getting into it with him then you're not on... He's like Patrick Beverley in basketball. If you are getting into it with Beverley it says more about you than does about Beverley because that's Beverley's job right but if he's getting at you in your hand if you're taking the bait then something else is wrong yeah but he got his revenge or his vengeance he did the thing about City is and this is you know the challenge they have so far this year and look again to City fans they knew what this was there's a ton of new players they're still developing chemistry yes Rodri's back but the issues go beyond that the issues go beyond that You don't have two starting wingers who are absolutely lights out that you can count on.

29:29Musa Okwonga: They just don't. And that's fine because Bob is still young. I think Marmouche is more of a proposition. Just older, more experienced. That's fine. Bernardo Silva is not the creative force. Let me put it better than that. He's not the dynamic force he once was, right? So the ground he covers is not the same. So you're losing a certain amount there. You're losing half a step. And I think City fans know that. it's just not as formidable a midfield triangle reigned as Rodri Silva as the City of old and that's fine that's understood and Nunez is not Carl Walker right so you just lose all these margins and you don't have the defensive partnership of old you know it's not Diaz Stones in that midfield and that defense against an onrushing Brighton so what that means cumulatively is that even though City take the lead they can't pull away from Brighton so what What kept Brighton in this game was I think their pressing out of the defensive intensity, kept them in it.

30:21Musa Okwonga: And they slowly played themselves back in. Welbeck looked good in a withdrawn role, dropping deep and playing it well. Baleba started showing more metal. And by the time the goal came, they were good value. By the time the winner came, they were great value for it actually. They ended the game in the ascendancy and Gruden's finish as well, sitting them down and rolling in the corner. glorious it was very but it's Brighton it's funny because only three games in but we said they needed the Oxford result in the cup because they'd had a bit of a wobble at the start of the season it felt but now they're absolutely laughing like like Herzl is in his early 30s and outcoached Pep needed that win man yeah yeah he did

31:05Ryan Hunn: he did need it not because it's Man City but I think if they'd gone into the international break without a win I think it would have been yeah yeah and that's the Premier League Liverpool top heading into the Men's International break. Like we said, on Thursday we'll do some transfer stuff, but not that it's a Premier League transfer, but Jamie Vardy to Kremenese? Is Musak Rangan writing these transfers now? I know you said last week you were going to be an intermediary, but if you actually become an intermediary, this is your first deal that you've pulled off. My first and last deal. I'm retired.

31:39Nothing can top that. I'm one and done. I'm a one and done guy.

31:41Musa Okwonga: Nothing can top that. Shout out to Kremenese for having the enterprise to actually like just make the inquiry.

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32:49all right let's go to the bundesliga oh goodness because i was on a bundesliga

32:55Ryan Hunn: trip this weekend right and i was supposed to go to also go to the verda bremen leverkusen game but i couldn't unfortunately i had to skip that one and it turned out it was quite eventful because it was 3-0. 10-man Bremen coming back from 3-1 down to draw 3-0 with, at the time, was Eric Ten Hag by Leverkusen to leave them on one point after two games at the start of the Bundesliga season after losing at home to Hoffenheim on the opening game of the season. And then mid-Monday morning, it was announced. Well, before I move on to that, can I just say that a few people who were there from the gangs were saying that Malik Tillman came out into the mix zone and looked like he'd just been given the biggest telling off and apparently and there was all that stuff that came out afterwards about our 10 hug so that they played like boys and it's all felt a little bit weird around that appointment and while it's very very early to do this Bayer Leverkusen have decided that this isn't the guy they're going to move forward with and they've made a move right at the beginning of the international break my gut feeling on this before before i chuck it to you is they've acted so quickly because they've clearly realized that this just ain't it right however i think many people thought it might not be it from the start and i'm quite confused as to how expectation and the reality was so far apart maybe it has to do with the amount of personnel who have been moved on or like the squad overhaul.

34:31Ryan Hunn: Maybe Ten Hag is so far away from Jabby Alonso that people were just massively underwhelmed. When you replace someone like Jabby Alonso and the feeling that you've had around Leverkusen for the last couple of years and the amount of players and senior players and leaders who have moved on throughout the whole spine of the team, from keeper to attackers, I think you have to be super engaging with the next appointment. I think people are still employing the 2019 Eric Ten Hag. But then that Ten Hag is gone. In the same way that I think some clubs are still employing the 2010 Jose Mourinho. Right.

35:07But all this stuff shifts. This thing about football, let's say when the tectonic plates shift and managers just stay in the same place, they end up in a reputation, they end up drowning. And I think Ten Hag's challenge, he obviously came in hot to this job. and I don't know the behind the scenes stuff because it's remarkable for something this dramatic how little has actually emerged. Like it's remarkable actually, that in itself tells a story, but whatever the true story is, when it finally comes out, Evan will be like, yeah, that had to happen. And I think if Leverkusen, there are many things, but they're not a fan of the sunk cost fallacy, which is that if you're in a hole, you should keep digging.

35:48And maybe more people should learn from that. Like it is a record turnaround and it's very embarrassing for a club I think that prides itself on having structure and alignment. Leverkusen pride themselves on being a club that masters all the small details in order to make up the advantage on the bigger clubs, right? And rightly so, they achieved that superbly with Xabi Alonso. But there needs to be some real thought now about getting that alignment right in future. this is still look this is so early in the season that anything can still happen and they can still that they've got a good you've got good players there of course nothing like the ones they lost because how can you play so quickly but still turn it around the question I suppose Ryan is what does this mean for Ten Hag now

36:32Ryan Hunn: I really don't know I don't know no idea honestly I could pretend to come up with some like where his where his level is at now or who might move for him but genuinely do not know. The problem that he has is that the transfer record is right now going on right sorry the transfer market is going on right now and people are looking at the resale value of the players that he brought in and they're watching Hoyland leaving for much less than he arrived for they're watching Anthony leave for less than a third of what he arrived for and they're thinking yeah is this someone we give a 200 million budget for summer rebuild?

37:11And why would you? And the answer to that has to be what you wouldn't. And here's the thing. The problem is you wouldn't give him that budget to spend. And you also wouldn't bring him in as a motivator. Because if you are absolutely cooking players two games in to a season and the results, you look, yeah, they're not ideal. Lost to Hoffenheim is not ideal. A draw away at Werder. It's not a horror show. Yes, it's not desirable. But with someone that's trying to motivate a new group of players, those results aren't the problem. I think the problem is it obviously started in the pre-season as well I think it was going wrong from the friendlies actually

37:47Ryan Hunn: losing that Flamengo game was the we're going to find that I think we're going to find out actually how far back it actually went to be honest yeah but makes but it makes you wonder like like how a serious sporting organisation made such a disastrously ill-fitting appointment they're not they're not clowns they're smart they're smart people like do you know I wonder if it was as well I wonder if Eric Ten Hag at Bayern and the work he did there I think that he still holds a lot of Yeah I think his rep in Germany is better than it is elsewhere I think he held a lot of goodwill I'm not saying that like Leverkusen he speaks German let's go get him I mean that within the ecosystem of coaches that you looked at and you want there's probably a short list of players of coaches who are like that person is a safe pair of hands like this is the irony in terms of managing a transition I think he was seen as someone that knows the Bundesliga can't communicate clearly in press release maybe too clearly by the sounds of it a safe pair of hands a sensible hire for the next two three years you know I can see why that was the logic in defence of Leverkusen I don't think they anticipated this level of explosion because he didn't really cook people like that at United that early on yeah I think that look I think that Old Trafford job I think being at Old Trafford and the experience he had there I think it fundamentally I think well how could it not I think it changed him actually in terms of his managerial approach.

39:14You know, like they always say like, you know, Jose Mourinho was never the same after Real Madrid because actually Mourinho would never admit it. But I think the scale of that job and the fact that within that job, he was just the cog. This is the thing to realize as a manager at Real Madrid, you're a cog. I don't think Jose Mourinho had ever been a cog before as a manager. He'd never been that. And all just wonder looking at ten haag and his trajectory who he'd managed coached before the old trafford job it kind of engulfed him and his relationship with players his ability to motivate players i wonder if he doubts that i wonder if some of this like you know sort of uh this tough talking i wonder how much of that would have existed put it this way i wonder how the 2019 ten haag would look at the one now yeah and be like dude what's happened in the last six years yeah wow you know you know

40:06Ryan Hunn: should we pivot onto some of the positive stuff from this weekend because yes let's do it I was at the Volkspark Stadion on Friday in Hamburg oh actually on that note sorry Werder great comeback by the way oh yeah that was a great comeback that was an amazing comeback that was a major positive especially down to 10 players but yes to Hamburg the first top flight Stadtderby since 2011 and Haas Vals returned to the Bundesliga after a seven-year absence, probably not the most ideal of opponents. I was chatting to a couple of the guys from there beforehand and I was like, would you have... Hit at the deep end.

40:45Ryan Hunn: Yeah, I mean, I think there was a bit like, oh, you know, it's kind of added to the occasion that it's a derby on the first game back in the Bundesliga, the first home game back in the Bundesliga. But I think there was probably a little bit of an acknowledgement. It was like, yeah, it would have been cool to have a bit of a, maybe like an easier going fixture for the first home game back in the top flight. They started very well, Highsville. First 10 minutes or so, I think they were very intense. It was very, very loud in there. I was on a, it was the first time I've ever been to the men's Bundesliga game on a photo pass.

41:15Ryan Hunn: So I was pitch side, which was amazing. But I want to say, actually, what was the surface like? It looked incredible. It looked very green. Very green indeed. Your TV looked unreal. Very, very nice. But yeah, really, really great occasion. But I think after that first 10 minutes or so, St. Pauli got control of the game and this is a St. Paulie who have evolved big time from last season. We have said many, many times that we think that Alexander Blessing did a great job last season. Exceptionally, yeah. Their defence was incredible. Second best defensive record in the league and that just goals were maybe a bit of an issue for them.

41:52Ryan Hunn: They were great at keeping the ball last season. It was just transitioning that into the attacking third was a bit of an issue. this season so far there doesn't seem to be any sign of that it's only two games but they've already scored five goals and they're currently level on points with Dortmund and Wolfsburg they won the game 2-0 two very good goals first from a great corner routine and then they should have been they could have been 3-0 up at half time actually they had a goal that was disallowed or kind of like the ref blew the whistle a bit prematurely and I think if they'd allowed play to go on they would have given the goal and Pereira Large missed an absolute it was a really very presentable shot the whole bench had cleared because they were waiting for it people booking flights to celebrate yeah but one player on a highlight because it was only his second start for St.

42:53Ryan Hunn: Pauli since arriving in the summer Joel Chima Fujita who played in the central midfield Japanese international he arrived in the summer from Belgium and looks absolutely incredible I texted you didn't I saying that there were moments in the game where he kind of reminded me a little bit of Thiago which sounds like wild I think that he's a different player to Thiago but there were just a couple of moments where you looked up and the way that he would drop in shift his body move and pass and I was just like wow I haven't the positioning yeah the positioning you know the thing I loved about um players that play in that kind of creative DM role which actually Modric played in as well to an extent the thing I loved about Fujita was knowing when to occupy central spaces but drop wide to receive the ball um so receiving the ball small things like actually the goal the lead up for the um decisive with the second goal that clinched it receiving the ball from the keeper, but in a wide area so that there's no counter directly on goal.

43:57And then when someone presses him tight, winning the 50-50 and then playing actually a very Thiago-like pass we were discussing before into the channel to assist the winner. And I think even just, and there's also something about, you know, just to compare other DMs that people will be watching at the moment, someone like Azubimendi who isn't just marking

44:18Ryan Hunn: position but actually organizing a lot yeah you know you saw even the corner routines like him dropping off watching the counter but also ready for the shot and just on the counter when running back towards the goal like sort of instructing everyone as he's jogging or actually as he's sprinting and also just playing with like with a smile as well like throughout the game actually

44:38Musa Okwonga: it's a big day out he's like yeah it's a derby like you say about the game coming too quick this is a summer signing his second game and loving all the smoke well yeah on that

44:49Ryan Hunn: there's a great video going around if you google it you'll find it but when the players do a little pitch walk around he was the first one there I think from St. Paulie and he took his flip flops off and walked around the pitch barefoot and he did this thing where he went over and basically stood facing the highest foul ultras

45:11Ryan Hunn: and they gave it to him and he just stood there was like alright they must absolutely love you know what actually in a way they loved it as well well I mean actually we've got some stuff hopefully going up online from the game later this week probably on our Instagram Stadio Football if you want to go and follow us on Instagram but yeah he was very like very hyped but that midfield man when you put Jackson back in that midfield as well you know James Sands I thought played very very well they are good man I think they're really good this year they almost like they built a basis in defence and now they're adding pieces on top little routines here and I mean they're always really they always get on the counter they can add more goals now but now they have that platform and there's such an attractive proposition to move to I don't know I'm just super excited about their possibilities now I've got to say and they don't look the concern we had the whole of last year was just they seemed a little bit goal shy but that looks like it looks to have been fixed yep it's really good to see Harsfeld back in the Bundesliga yeah it picked up a point on the opening weekend away at Gladbach and they go to Bayern next so I actually I think for them getting the derby and Bayern out of the way and then they'll start to settle down after that I think it's going to be a tough year for them but I think it's good for the Bundesliga that that they're back same with like Köln Köln back in the Bundesliga and absolutely like absolutely just destroying Freiburg on the weekend who have had two two very very ropey defeats to open the season but Köln level on points at the top with Bayern and Eintracht Frankfurt I don't think we realise what Köln are yet like when you see those two results you're like early days at Köln clearly a very good side and I'm sure a lot of Köln fans will be like well you should be able to speak with us but hopefully these have surprised even them yeah these results have surprised even them because those are two like two decent sides they've turned over yeah I mean speaking of decent Dortmund looked pretty decent on Sunday they beat Union 3 now at the Westfalen I was at that game as well that was the the other game of the weekend it was a lovely day in Dortmund very warm very sunny looked great yeah first home game of the season for Dortmund an absolutely unbelievable choreo if you get a chance to go and watch it.

47:38Ryan Hunn: Amazing. It was like a few minutes long from start to finish. Football-wise, Union weren't mega. And Dortmund felt like they were playing with their food a little bit, especially in the first half. Gerasi probably could have had a couple before he did score. I was watching the English comms. The commentary was so funny. It's like, oh, you can't give them a chance like those. And then he missed it. Commentators curse. You can, actually.

48:05I love I felt for the commentator actually we've all been there we've all been there

48:10Ryan Hunn: but yeah two for Grassi and one for Felix Neumecha was enough for Dortmund but they were yeah they were very very dominant interesting year for Dortmund we'll talk a little bit more about them another time I'm sure the main thing about this weekend I think was the clean sheet because defensively they had like a load of issues they were without Schlotterbeck who's not back until probably another six weeks or so Niklas Sula out as well and they're missing Emre Can so pretty good all in all from Dortmund. Yeah, good afternoon. Good home game. Like, good season opener at home. Just a quick shout. Bayern escaped a late comeback or a late scare against Augsburg beating them 3-2.

48:48Ryan Hunn: Stuttgart beating Gladbach 1-0 and Leipzig beating Heidenheim. We mentioned Antwerp Frankfurt. They beat Hoffenheim 3-1 away. Wolfsburg drawing 1-1 with Mainz in the other game on Sunday. Shall we shout out some other stuff? Yeah, let's do it. alright first thing I want to shout out Lyon Marseille I mean those are not clubs that necessarily like each other Marseille were down to 10 after CJ Egan Riley got sent off after about half an hour and it was all Lyon pretty much they ended up getting a winner in the 87th minute thanks to a Bollardi own goal but they should have been out of sight I think but only Lyon and PSG are maximum points after three games start the season good luck for Lyon considering where they were Just 18 months ago.

49:35Especially after last year. My God. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I suppose it would be remiss to talk about Liga without mentioning the hat-trick from Jao Neves. Brilliant hat-trick including two overhead kicks against Toulouse. So they won 6-3 away. We know that PSG is stacked, but still, they pulled out some beauties.

49:54Ryan Hunn: Not two overhead kicks from Jao Neves stacked. No, no, no. I mean, those. I mean, that guy went above and beyond. Yeah. Then he scored a beauty with the outside of his right foot. Lots of talk about it being the greatest hat-trick ever scored. And no, I mean, Luis Suarez is right there against Norwich. If we're going to talk about hat-tricks. Well, funny you mentioned Luis Suarez because he's in a bit of bother. Yeah, he's getting shouted out for reasons that aren't. So shout it down, maybe. Some reports that he spat at the Seattle Sounders staff member after the Inter-Miami's 3-0 defeat in the League's Cup final to Seattle Sounders.

50:30Ryan Hunn: It all kicked off. Busquets was involved. she all got a bit gnarly and I think there's going to be some punishment handed out to them but congrats to Seattle Sounders though yes yes excellent win that yeah very much so do you want to shout out Serie A quickly absolutely absolutely well speaking of absolutely Inter absolutely there he goes I would say huge congratulations to Udinese beating Inter 2-1 at San Siro Inter who had looked Magisterial the week before. I wish everyone could have seen your face when you said that, by the way. It was great. It was so good. I even looked towards the sun. Magisterial.

51:17Atta with a winner and a fantastic winner from him. So another young player, rather like Fujita, putting himself on the map. The brilliant winner. And that's kind of spicy now in Serie A because you have Napoli and Juventus, their joint top Juventus on goal difference. And yeah, both with wins at the weekend having not conceded, I think, as well. So yeah, interesting times in Serie A. And we'll see as well what the outcome is from the transfer windows. Akanji, Manuel Akanji going from City to Inter, which is super interesting. Which is interesting because I say it's interesting because I'm not sure that City can afford to lose a centre-back that good.

52:01Look, the thing about Man City is that there are multiple issues there within that squad. But yeah, I'm intrigued to see how that plays out, but I can't imagine it'll be anything but a success.

52:16Ryan Hunn: You wanted to shout out Scott McTominay? Oh my goodness, McTomasino. McTomasino, who was seen. Shout out to Paul Ansell, who sent me a link to the footage of McTomasino, Scott McTominay, during the game when he misses a header and then is seen to shout Mamma Mia and I'm like yes yes so good just give him the citizenship if he hasn't got it already it's incredible is that the happiest transfer in like I mean like obviously we talked about emotional transfers I mean like aside of like the Ezzer thing in terms of just a a player that has gone somewhere that isn't really related to them in any way is that just like the happiest outcome for however long the biggest the biggest sporting glow up since Andy Murray won Wimbledon.

52:59Wow. In the sense of like, everyone thought that Murray wouldn't get over that. And I remember watching that Wimbledon final and even at two sets up, you were not safe against Prime Djokovic. And when he finally did it, I was in that pub and like, you know, East London, of course, and just the euphoria of like, he's done it. And watching with Tom and A get over the hurdle with Napoli. Like you talk about players who've had a footballing journey that's been complete and you can talk about Wanns-Bastien Verón in a previous podcast or Angle Di Maria, but McTominay in his own way has completed his arc.

53:30There's literally nothing now. He could stop playing football tomorrow and his achievements would be, and same with someone like, you know, Aberici Ezi. There are certain players who've completed their arc in football already, as, you know, as premature as that sounds. So yeah, big shout out to him. And also some would say, like, McTominay's fashion glow up.

53:50Ryan Hunn: He just, he loves living where he's living. Dude. fair play Napoli come and get me the 700th come and get me play at the stadium we saw Gorgias going around doing like all the elaborate Italian hand gestures and just shouting mamma mia or whatever he can no takers I'll keep going very quickly we're going to shout out La Liga Real Madrid being Mallorca 2-1 to stay top of the league on goal difference ahead of Athletic Club who beat Betis 2-1 away which was very impressive indeed. Barcelona not so impressive they're a bit leaky as well there was a chart going around I think they've conceded the most big chances so far this season in the league 12 which is a structural issue yeah they're just allowing everyone knows where the secret door is in the Barcelona midfield and they're just ploughing through it and it puts so much pressure on the back four and then the problem with that is the strikers aren't being that clinical because I think it's the age of bounty, the gilded age, where you think that the chances are going to be an end of supply and you don't take advantage and then you get hit late.

55:06And this, if Barca don't get a handle on this, it's going to dog them the entire season. It's a structural issue and they need to fix it fast.

55:16Ryan Hunn: I agree. Because I don't think Real, look, Real is still working things out, but already it's clear that Xavi Alonso has a particular star in how he wants to play. And look, that score was 2-1 against Mallorca, but it should have been 4-5. Very narrow offsides. And it's early days, but Xavi Lonzo knows exactly what he wants at that club. He knows who he wants as the creative Fulcrum in midfield. Bellingham is still to come back. Camavinga is still to come back. Barcelona have to fix up. But, you know, it's Hansi Flick. We can. Now, just a quick shout for Celta Vigo, who cannot stop drawing one-all.

55:50Ryan Hunn: Third in a row. just doing when Wolfsburg did that Wolfsburg threw one all their way to the Champions League one year I'm pretty sure

56:04Ryan Hunn: played 34 scored 34 conceded 34 fourth

56:12perfectly balanced as all things should be

56:14Ryan Hunn: quick shout final shout Real Loviedo getting their first win back in La Liga they beat Real Sociedad 1-0 that's an awesome very very happy for them lots of change at Real Sociedad they're official they're officially on my I might be worried about them list without a win so far this season obviously after the departure of Imanol we'll chat a lot about Real Sociedad in future they host Real Madrid next after the international break so that'll be a good opportunity for us to chat about them then but I reckon that'll do us for today huh let's bounce yeah sounds good we hope everyone's staying safe and well don't forget we will do a transfer deadline day kind of thoughts roundup things that we want to chat about.

56:58Ryan Hunn: We'll do that and that will go off on Thursday. If you want to listen to the podcast ad-free or sign up for the Stadio Social Club, you can go to patreon.com forward slash stadio and also don't forget to check the Stadio Actress Place on Spotify. Speaking of which, a good day for Liverpool on Sunday and probably had a night out on the town. Yeah. So we're going to play out on Night Out on the Town by Juice and Bound Sound. There it is. beating Arsenal 1-0 and then signing Alexander Azak and Mark Gay as well it's all the time Frank Ocean dropped two hours two hours and 48 hours unreal a bounty anything you would like to add Musa Gwanga nothing further I'm good alright everyone much love back with you on Thursday see you then

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