More FA Cup magic, Milan win the derby and a Champions League look ahead

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1:40Musa Okwonga: hello and welcome back to the steady podcast i'm me so quonga i'm ryan hun ryan how you doing doing all right thanks man how are you i'm in brazil you are i'm actually not a bit either he's actually not a bit i'm actually actually in brazil that's why we record slightly later because the time difference i'm in brazil i'm in rio so funny when the meme becomes the real thing i can't believe this actually happened next thing i'll turn up in beach shorts in canada I'm in Montreal in beach shorts

2:15Ryan Hunn: Moose at the next live show in flip flops I'm very well

2:19Musa Okwonga: actually just some context on everything so I'm in Brazil and last night was the playoff the Rio Championship playoff between Flamengo and Fluminense which Flamengo won 5-1 penalties after extra time as interesting as that scoreline and the outcome is as interesting well yeah the game was as as interesting as the scoreline suggests But yeah, just in terms of the energy in the city, it's so interesting because you've got the big clubs. You've got Flamengo, Fluminense, Vasco da Gama and Botafogo. Friend of mine, huge Botafogo fan. When I said the main Flamengo, I said, don't ever say that word again.

2:55Musa Okwonga: And just interesting just to see everyone out in the Flamengo shirts and the Fluminense shirts in the city and to talk about Don Carlo Ancelotti, who obviously is in charge of Brazil.

3:03Ryan Hunn: What have you seen to me?

3:04Musa Okwonga: And this mate of mine was just, yeah, not yet. I'm sure I will. but my mind is a bit concerned about the kind of um the crossroads culturally and tactically that brazilian football is at and it's so interesting ryan because he traces it all back to the 7-1 oh really it's so interesting yeah it's so interesting i can see it you know brazilian yeah he said you know he said brazilian society hasn't been the same since the 7-1 there are results such a spooker generation dude i think it is because there's something about it And like, it's such a, you don't get like any level of football. It's weird to see a 7-1 in a semi-final.

3:38Musa Okwonga: And to see it happen to Brazil specifically when everything was tied up in Neymar and his personality and like him with the injury, he was like, honestly, it's a psychological blow from which Brazilian society, let alone football has not recovered. And he said the Ancelotti thing is so interesting because he's there as the higher. And it's like the idea is to win the world cup with a European style of football. But he said, at what cost? because we've lost this, that sort of playfulness, the Garincha. And this is, you know, he's a young dude, this friend of mine, he's like 29, right? Like he's like, he didn't grow up even with the Garincha stuff.

4:08Musa Okwonga: He grew up with the stories and he's like, that whole, the playfulness has been lost. It's honestly like as a loss of identity, it's one of those things that just makes for a fascinating portrait. And there's a part of me that's almost like, I feel like just going back and re-examining like the before times.

4:27Ryan Hunn: We should pick a game each. from from classic world cup games do re-watches in a podcast about them in leading up to the world cup just pick like i think we should

4:37Musa Okwonga: do you know i also think we should do and maybe i'm just saying this in the podcast because i'm trying to speak into existence i think we should pick a player i think we should pick a player like so so and this is speaking to existence if i had budget to do an incredible a24 style short i know the player i do it about like almost like go back and find that person that appeared legitimises what Brazil were at their peak and just embodied everything.

5:04Ryan Hunn: So who is it? Who would you do it on?

5:07Musa Okwonga: DG. Why would you? The mentor of Pelé in the 1958 World Cup. Yeah. The guy that gets signed for Real Madrid and Di Stefano is so jealous of him that he hounds him out of the club. It would be that guy. It would be that guy. Interesting. But yeah. So you're in Brazil? I'm in Brazil. Do you want to tell Canadians what the temperature is? 32 degrees. It peaked at 32. and it's so weird because it gets you know the wild thing about the wild thing about 32 is right here like compared to you know in Berlin right when it's 32 it's like flesh stripping like and here 32 is deceptive you only notice it when you get home and you're like the dehydration is off the scale because you should have drunk four litres yeah but the the ocean is like it's so surreal just like oh that's the South Atlantic and there's nothing between you and the South Pole in that direction yeah it's kind of surreal

5:58Ryan Hunn: wow it's so far away I think this is is this the furthest that we've been away from each other geographically since we've known each other geographically and spiritually yes

6:09Musa Okwonga: I think it is I think spiritually we've probably been further apart as a United fan and Arsenal fan we have definitely been spiritually further apart than that

6:20Ryan Hunn: anyway we hope everyone is staying safe and well wherever you are there's a lot going on and we hope everyone is doing okay yeah couple of shows this week well no this one and then Seb Stafford-Bloor is going to join me on Wednesday to talk about Tuesday night's Champions League games quickly but also to talk about Spurs because I feel like the Champions League they're in such a curious spot I didn't think that they could get in a more curious spot than last season than they have so we're going to talk to Seb about that or I'm going to talk to Seb about that while I don't know Moose is drinking something at that time of the morning or whatever some of us some of us got a graft and then it's Thursday's show you and I are going to do a very quick wrap up of Wednesday night's Champions League games but we've actually got a guest we're going to be joined by Scroobius Pip podcaster spoken word artist musician Twitch streamer old mate of yours big football fan a lovely lovely guy we had a chat we recorded it last week and we're going to put that up this week just because of well I'm actually travelling on Thursday as well so we thought we'd get that in so two shows two extra shows this week and if you're listening to this on the free feed why not take advantage of our March Patreon push if you sign up as a Stadio member on Patreon now you get 30 % off your first month on either the podcast membership or the Stadio Social Club membership any support is massively appreciated if you're signed up as a free member make sure you go and select which membership you want because a common thing when you sign up for Patreon it doesn't actually then direct you to the membership so sometimes you sign up thinking you've signed up to get the podcasts, but you haven't actually.

7:56Ryan Hunn: So it's 30 % off for the whole of March. You get your first month, 30 % off. And the support is much appreciated. Thank you to everyone. So yeah, so you get two more shows. You get to listen to those ad-free info, plus loads of other perks. Patreon.com forward slash stadio if you want to sign up. Today, you and I are going to talk about the FA Cup, the Derby della Madanina, and we're going to actually do a little bit of a look ahead for the Champions League because we didn't talk about the draw when it happened and because this is going up a little later than normal we thought we might look ahead as opposed to fully back.

8:35Ryan Hunn: So I reckon we just get straight into rounding up the FA Cup because we've got one more game to go tonight we're still waiting on West Ham-Brenford and then the draw takes place tonight but some unbelievable results this weekend. Port Vale two FA Cup ties in a matter of days Port Vale beating Sunderland 1-0 to go into the quarterfinals of the FA Cup for the first time in 72 years

9:03Musa Okwonga: Absolutely amazing against a very strong Sunderland side who've had a couple of slightly patchy form of late patchier than the start of the season but still a huge huge result and for Port Vale in particular and with good value for it too.

9:16Ryan Hunn: Oh massively there was that one of the one of the best moments of the football season happened in this game as well I think it was Luco Nayan has the ball on the right hand side but he's miles away from his own goal and he decides to ping a long ball back to Elborg in goal who is and he's kind of caught his own keeper off his line Elborg has to backpedal and head it over the bar wild scene

9:39Musa Okwonga: what was this was it Coupe Gregory Coupe against Barcelona same energy

9:45Ryan Hunn: but this was the great thing about the games this weekend because I think the Arsenal, I mean, we should make more of a big deal about this Port Vale thing because it is unbelievable. No, no, let's talk about the Port Vale is absolutely huge. Yeah, it's huge. But I feel like you mentioned, like you said, they were good value for it. I think, you know, Sunderland did rotate a little bit. They were also missing quite a lot of players at the moment, but still. It was a similar thing to I think what happened with the Arsenal game on Saturday against Mansfield where the pitch really does level, I know this is a big, big cliche, but it does level out some of that stuff because it's not necessarily that it levels out the ability, but you see players who are used to playing on pitches like that week in, week out.

10:27Ryan Hunn: And that pitch, I've got a mate who's actually at the Veil game, who's a Veil fan. And we were chatting about the pitch recently. To be honest, it's kind of a bit of a miracle they've even got games on there because some people were kind of complaining about the state of the pitches over the weekend. but if you think about how much rain the UK has had this winter and the resources that some of these clubs have it's a miracle that they are even managing to get pitches remotely playable I think that Max Dalman's

10:56Musa Okwonga: Max Dalman's performance against Mansfield is so interesting because that is a player who has been closer to those surfaces than a lot of the players who are like 5-10 years older and he loved it like Max what Max Dalman did he seemed like when George Best when George Best when George Best scored six against Northampton in the cup on that pitch that was basically like chopped up. And what I love about both performances is that Max Down was not expecting to have any time in possession. So like, if you look at those pitches, it was actually, weirdly enough, this is sounds, it's not meant to be a knock on Chelsea.

11:30Musa Okwonga: When Leo Messi came to Stanford bridge and actually the pitch was really choppy and Messi was floating. What these things do, these surfaces, they're a leveler because they, like the truly, the players that like are the most technical and the most locked in somehow go to a different level because they very quickly understand that every single touch matters you are not going to get you know and max down and in that game was like and this is yeah i know we give him a lot of credit it reminded me of ian right against you when you go there and there's a team from like a lower league and they're giving it their best shot because they've been talking about playing arsenal a week and you give them the business.

12:09Musa Okwonga: The thing I love about the Mansfield performance, they were brilliant in that game. They can also go away and be like, Max Dalmer did not go half-stepping on this. Like this guy came and like was going at our necks from the first minute. And I just thought, what I love about this outcome, you know, Mansfield, great performance, was a real cup tie. There's so many performances throughout where it felt like teams from the upper leagues and the lower leagues, everyone was locked in. I loved that.

12:34Ryan Hunn: If you looked at the fixtures before, all of the teams who you would have expected to have not been a walkover but you would have expected Premier League's eyes to ease past all of them were in the game yeah yeah absolutely Wrexham were brilliant until the sending off Chelsea just had too much fun which was clear yeah clear yeah Port Vale we mentioned amazing against Sunderland had to withstand a lot of pressure but made it count And took the chances. Took the chance, yeah.

13:07Musa Okwonga: Loved it.

13:08Ryan Hunn: Southampton, again, I thought were brilliant against Fulham. Managed the game fairly well. Yeah, tough side. Really tough side. It's the first time they've reached the quarterfinal of the FA Cup as a second tier side since 1976.

13:22Musa Okwonga: See, this is what's interesting about these performances from Port Vale and Southampton because their opponents really needed it. Like Sunderland and Fulham have both had very good seasons in their own way, but they needed, in my opinion, in a slightly deeper cup run to put an exclamation point on the season. They needed this. Like this is the kind of, you know when like you're doing well in the league, but you're not going to get Europa League, right? Probably not. You're unlikely to get Europa League. At a stretch, you might get it just because of the quality above you. Sunderland can still get it, but it's a bit of a stretch, right?

13:51Musa Okwonga: So what you need then in the absence of that is if you can get a cup quarterfinal, it's really something you can take away from it and go, yeah, so I think that Sunderland-Fullam needed these wins. Yeah, I agree. Port Vale as Southampton therefore to pull them out I think is just it's huge credit to them it's huge credit to them because these are these are like deliverables not to and this sounds so corporate but these these are things where Sunderland and Fulham the seasons they're having it's like let's have something more to show for it because once you're in the quarters to break the old cliche anything can happen Sunderland and Fulham would fancy themselves in a one-off against quite a few of these teams in the quarter-finals and they're not there because they got outlasted and outdone by two teams that absolutely brought it.

14:37Musa Okwonga: I love this. It's been a really good FA Cup, I think, actually, from that perspective.

14:41Ryan Hunn: I think it's been amazing. Yeah, I think it's been really good. It just feels like it's been coming back for a while, but it feels like it's, I think we might have mentioned this earlier on in the season, but it definitely feels like it's got all of the things that make it great there. Now, even if one of the favourites goes on to win it, that's kind of always I mean it's been the case it's been the case it's been the case it's been the case it's about seeing upsets and really really exciting FA Cup stories and teams from lower down the division one of my my favourite sub-genres of football is when they cut to clubhouse or the bar of a football club that's waiting for the draw you know and then they get a draw and it's like oh wait Old Trafford and they're like oh my god yeah like things like that are amazing and that's the great thing about the FA Cup and I think you get it with the Pokal as well.

15:32Ryan Hunn: There's some elements of the Pokal, but it's just because of the depth of the pyramid in England. Yes. It's what makes it even more unbelievable.

15:40Musa Okwonga: You very rarely get it in the Champions League for that reason. The one time it was funny, what was the coach of one of the Prague teams where the draw was so ridiculous that he actually burst out laughing? Do you remember that? When he's sitting in the audience, I can't remember who it was, but he's sitting in the audience and the group they've got is so ridiculous that he just bursts out laughing. But I love that because it's so human. it's like we're going to take them all on and actually i think they acquitted themselves quite well as it turned out that group so yeah the fa cup is we were saying in the last round is it back and i whatever happens it's back yeah even even look even city newcastle right even that city absolutely brought in this is credit to pep for all of city's resources pep always takes the cup tournament seriously always and seeing how animated he was atst james's park having on a goal down is like City are they're coming they're coming for everything they can this year which is how it's how the FA Cup should be everyone going for it not half-stepping it not taking a tournament off to go to Brazil and try to win a cup that you get humiliated in United wow

16:46Ryan Hunn: well I mean you know you're giving United shit but feels like someone's taken a tournament off and gone to Brazil so

16:53Musa Okwonga: listen unlike United I haven't been humiliated in Rio thank you very much

16:57Ryan Hunn: well it's still time there's still time still time we only just got there the other games the other games from the FA Cup Liverpool getting revenge on their midweek defeat at Wolves to win 3-1 they looked really good they did look very good a consolation goal at the end for Wolves was pretty comfortable for Liverpool we mentioned Chelsea Wrexham Chelsea coming through after extra time 4-2 great game Garnatio looking good again listen he's finding his way finding his way. I agree. And you mentioned City coming through against Newcastle after Newcastle took the lead. Mahmoud loves scoring against Newcastle.

17:37Ryan Hunn: But...

17:38Musa Okwonga: He loves a banger.

17:39Ryan Hunn: Savinho, one of my favourite

17:41Musa Okwonga: goals of the weekend. Incredible finish. Thank you. I'm glad we're talking about this. Very, very cool. It's so funny. Doku does the classic Doku thing. Cuts the byline, which is the trademark move but of course the Doku, you don't know when he's going to cut. This is the genius of it. Cuts the byline, squares it. And Savinho's just standing completely still and it's like yeah and it's like almost playful it's like a naughty child it's like yeah it's gonna bounce off me

18:04Ryan Hunn: it reminded me of clearly the best player on a five-a-side pitch who's just doing everything at 25 % and they're still miles better than everyone else it's just that kind of feeling that's how much effort I have to put in

18:18Musa Okwonga: well there's a lot of talk about flair in the Premier League and we've been talking a lot about look at the end of the day City can afford the elite talent right and they So they've got like a higher percentage or proportion of these game breakers than anyone else. They've got Cherky, Doc Cooper, also Savino, who's been injured and in and out of form. But I'm fascinated to see what he's added to his game since returning from injury. Because traditionally with Pep wingers, if they step up a bit, if they go out for a bit from the team, they come back there, they've improved somehow. And he looked amazing against Newcastle.

18:52Musa Okwonga: like the movement he was making either way off the flank cutting infield going outside his player like even the finish was someone like who was so locked in it was like those NBA players that do the heat check they're like they shoot from way out because they're so confident and he looked like I mean City looked brilliant and I love you mentioned that goal another goal you flagged up actually from elsewhere in Benfica Porto

19:18Ryan Hunn: oh well save that because we need to shout out Leeds very quickly who beat Norwich 3-0 in the final final game we're recording this obviously ahead of the game tonight the West Ham Brentford game

19:26Musa Okwonga: every now and again I love it when like teams that are sort of towards the lower end of the Premier League give other teams the business when it's actually like these are the levels every now and again I'm like no like there's I know we've had some like difficult results but actually this is why we're here I think Leeds kind of gave yeah they gave that

19:42Ryan Hunn: also a couple of things to shout out this week from this weekend from the FA Cup which I loved so much was the fact that Will Evans when he equalised for Mansfield and Ross Stewart when he scored the winning penalty for Southampton both hushed the crowd. Will Evans scored in front of the Arsenal end and just just I think he you know I'm not even sure if he hushed I think he gave him the calm down you know you're kind of lucky if you get one chance to do that in your career and the thing the thing that I love in the FA Cup is when players essentially act as like a proxy for fan behaviour.

20:19Musa Okwonga: Yes they're totally

20:20Ryan Hunn: totally totally 90 odd percent of people who are watching that game were like what would i have done if i'd equalized for mansfield against arsenal i probably would have given the arsenal

20:29Musa Okwonga: fans to calm down it's so good because actually one thing i will say the one thing i would say when players from like premier league clubs whatever but big clubs score against lower league teams i would like them to celebrate a bit more i know sometimes they celebrate and it's like okay yeah we shouldn't be struggling like this but every now and again i would love them just to be like, I mean, you can't fake a celebration. You can't fake that. But I love it when someone will score against a lower league team and be like, they'll celebrate how they scored a Champions League final. Because it's like every single goal that I score matters.

21:02Ryan Hunn: Scoring the first goal away at Mansfield as a Premier League player in the 17th minute or something like that and taking your shirt off and kicking the corner. Do you know who would have done that?

21:09Musa Okwonga: This is the one player I would have loved to see in the Premier League in the FA Cup for that reason. Batistuta. I think Batistuta would have been absolutely like Batistuta would rip one of the corners be like but the thing i think about baptist is so special if he celebrated like that it wouldn't be seen as an egotistical thing because it comes from this guy just loved scoring

21:30Ryan Hunn: goals so much but it was like he respects macclesfield so much so he's yeah he's gone absolutely wild he lodged his boots over the head to the car park who wants it just quickly before we move on from the FA Cup yes I want to just highlight something with Arsenal they did this thing Arsenal which I actually quite I would quite like to see against sides that they know they're going to have loads of the ball against but they had Christian Nagor kind of starting in a centre-back position but moving into midfield as the six so Arsenal essentially played as a three with a three and it's been you know when we talked about this haven't we before about maybe starting Declan Rice there and just moving that you know then moving them up and you actually only play as a three yeah definitely it was really it was interesting seeing something like that trialled in this game because if you think back to the previous round, that was when Arteta trialled Saka in a central role and then literally the game afterwards played Saka in a central role.

22:29Ryan Hunn: It was the Wolves game, so it was short-lived. But still, interesting potential tweak. No, totally.

22:37Musa Okwonga: Could be interesting. I love you flagged it up. I love how... the formation that Arsenal approached this game with. Yeah. I mean, we don't have to talk a lot about Arsenal. I was just, no, no, no, no, but yeah, but the seriousness, I just, again, I just want to come back to the seriousness because that's the key. Like Max Dalman is 16.

22:59Ryan Hunn: Oh yeah.

23:00Musa Okwonga: And I think, I think that they'll be talking about that. The Mansfield players is like, we, we turned up in this guy, gave us the business and we saw everything and they, they, they, they acquitted themselves really well in Mansfield and they have no answer.

23:12Ryan Hunn: No. The thing we do need to shout out there is it's the first time a Premier League side has started two players aged 16 or under in any competition. No way. Oh my god, that's incredible.

23:25Musa Okwonga: I love that. I love that.

23:26Ryan Hunn: Anyway, FA Cup. Still got it. Yep.

23:29Musa Okwonga: Still got it. Still got the juice.

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24:32Ryan Hunn: I can't believe we didn't start with this but we need to shout out something huge. This should have been, there was only one place to begin.

24:40Musa Okwonga: Freiburg 3, Leverkusen 3. Incorrect. Oh, the sending's off.

24:45Ryan Hunn: Incorrect. It's not the red cards in the Cruzeiro-Atletico-Munero game. No. We're going to Münster because you may have missed this. I missed it. I missed it. So Hertha, in their 2-1 win over Preussen-Munster, were awarded a penalty on the stroke of half-time. and it was recommended that the referee go and check it on the VAR monitor so he goes over to have a look however the screen is black nothing is happening because a Preussen Munster fan jumped the fence unplugged it and jumped back again no way yep no way just as the Munster fans unveiled a banner saying pull the plug on var incredible incredible and so basically the referee in his announcement of the awarding with the penalty it was a penalty it was fine but basically i had to say my colleague katrine in in cologne has awarded the penalty and recommended a booking um that is iconic wearing a full green balaclava and one of those white forensic jumpsuits with a pair of re-work classics do you know what ryan do you know what i gotta say rise up against the machines look man take back control

26:14Ryan Hunn: you know there was the usual kind of like there was a couple of english media reporting being like masked football fans it was bane wasn't it it was bane we're gonna find out actually

26:29Musa Okwonga: Stranger things have happened

26:33Musa Okwonga: And anyway That's incredible Yeah we should have started there But anyway We should have started there

26:37Ryan Hunn: Well I mean while we're there Just very very quickly On the Zweiter Bundesliga Schalke beating Armini Bielefeld 1-0 Another Edin Dzeko goal On Friday night Darmstadt also won So it's as you were At the top Because Elversberg Also won But in the Bundesliga Very quickly If you want Before while we're in Germany Bayern won on Friday night without Kane but great thing about this game while Moyer came on for Gladbach 17 years old scored and became Gladbach's youngest ever goal scorer

27:06Musa Okwonga: incredible with Gladbach's whole tradition of like bring through young players and all they've been going through Gladbach still got it

27:12Ryan Hunn: still got it Dortmund beat Cologne and it was announced that Julian Brandt's going to leave the club at the end of the season I feel like a very very good piece of business for someone to pick up on a free transfer I think where does it go you think he stays in Germany? I mean wages are the thing right I could see him go to Leverkusen if they want to pick him I'm not sure how he would if that's quite the right move for him I'm not entirely sure I was trying to think like would he make a Premier League move? I don't know and I just don't think it's really I don't think it's there at the moment

27:43Musa Okwonga: I think Serie A is a better move than the Premier League Do you know what? Serie A is a good shout I think Serie A somewhere like a Roma to unlock that attack to unlock that. I think, I think, I tell you why. Gasparini, if I look at him, I think, I think of an Ilicic type, a player like Brandt to knit together certain pieces. And if you look at Marlon now, Marlon's game and they've played together before and like, Brandt would release those runners early. I think Gaspar, I think Brandt to Roma and also I think the expectation is important too. If he went somewhere like Roma where if you just have that flair, it's like a Giuseppe, Giannini type player like where if you've got that flair and that distinctive style then they love you and I think Roma is just it's all love if he goes there I think that that's where I probably yeah and also Roma need that to be they need their attack to be unlocked it's the fight they're getting there already but I feel like yeah Brant to Roma that to me feels like a fit there we go

28:43Ryan Hunn: don't hate that look at us

28:45Musa Okwonga: agents intermediaries but you know how it's quite fun to think about fit right like Brant is such a just a moment on him like he's such a specific talent if you look at how he managed those games he managed the Dortmund run to the Champions League final he did things that people thought he didn't have in him like the the patience of his performance against PSG I know they rode the luck a bit in terms of PSG's poor finishing and some of the goalkeeping performances from Dortmund but but Brandt just like was a vet to the point where when you see that he's 29 he's done so much already in his career which is funny because the trophy cabinet doesn't reflect the talent but Pete Ulin Brandt is someone who I think that other players talk about and be like like that and we know that for a fact that's the guy like he reminds me of like almost like a Hauger of Böder Glimt where under very specific conditions which are all to do with the environment they can flourish and he's one Ulin Brandt is one of the footballers that reminds me regularly that footballers are actually just human beings not everyone can go not everyone is someone that can just pitch up anywhere in the world and flourish.

29:53Musa Okwonga: Yeah, but I hope Jürgen Brandt gets the big move. I'm hyped. I'm not really excited. I see where he goes. It's got me excited. Anyway, sorry, yeah. Got hyped.

30:04Ryan Hunn: Just very quickly, you mentioned a couple of other games. Freiburg 3, Labour Cousin 3, a late equaliser by Matty Kinter for Freiburg. Shout out to Luka Voskovic, by the way. Another goal. Got fouled and took the penalty, the first penalty for Haas Foul. three penalties in this game by the way Wolfsburg one has fouled two Christian Eriksen scoring the Wolfsburg penalty Wolfsburg in real trouble

30:25Musa Okwonga: Wolfsburg oh my god

30:27Ryan Hunn: and just a quick shout for Sunday's game so St. Pauli early on in the day drew 0-0 at home to Eintracht Frankfurt which is a really really good result for St. Pauli Jackson never won his birthday the day before so happy birthday Jackson and a great point as a birthday present their run is really good they are now unbeaten apart from the Leverkusen result there's seven points in the last three games. And it was looking like an unbelievable result until later in the day where Werder Brabant hammered Union 4-1 at the first derby. That's a wild result. I mean, Schaefer got sent off after like 20 minutes for Union and they were 1-0 up at the time.

31:04But still, 4-1.

31:07Musa Okwonga: Werder do this now and again where like, if you're like a Werder fan, you're like, hang on a minute, where are these? Do you remember that year they almost went down and they just went absolutely ham in the playoff? And it was like, where has this been? Do something. it's like okay yeah do something so interesting just on the Bundesliga between 12th and well Gladbach are 12th or 25 points Sampauly are 16th or 24 and then there's a bit of a gap just above them you've got like Union but yeah there's teams that pick up points yeah they do they do

31:40Ryan Hunn: they've lost 3 of the last 4 and they've got to be careful because otherwise before they know it they might get dragged into that I think Wolfsburg yeah Wolfsburg look in real trouble and they go to Hoffenheim next to a third in the league. You would fancy Hoffenheim in that one. Even with their slight stumble recently, you'd fancy them. So I do worry about Wolfsburg because that's one of those clubs that if they go down, it could be like a Heist foul. Heist foul was so big when they went down. A huge club in comparison to Wolfsburg. And it still took them ages to come back. You've seen how much Schalke have struggled as well.

32:18Ryan Hunn: it's a tough league to get out of Hertha another club it's a really tough league to get out of this fighter do worry about

32:24Musa Okwonga: if Wolfsburg go down it's because they've been a bit complacent I've got to say because they do have they do have the resources to not be in a jam like that they really do

32:32Ryan Hunn: alright let's go to Milan for a wonderful wonderful Derby de la Maldonina Milan beating Inter 1-0 on Sunday night at San Siro I thought this was a mega go yeah really really strong you know what seven derbies without a win now for Inter in all competitions which so funny it's wild right the last time they won was in April 24 they did the double

32:57Musa Okwonga: over them as well Milan in the league

32:58Ryan Hunn: yeah was it the first time they've done the double since 2011 I think

33:06Musa Okwonga: I think I don't want to sort of you know there's still plenty of football to be played there are still like what 10 games of the league to go if AC Milan don't win the league they're going to look back to that stumble earlier in the year when they just dropped points in a few games a few draws they should have turned into wins because the Milan that played like this should be much much closer to Inter

33:27Ryan Hunn: they've drawn nine games they've only lost two Inter had lost five but they've drawn nine games Inter have drawn one Modric in everything feeling all the things they just started so well I thought yeah they did they did and Inter came back into it and they had that one chance right before I think it was right before the goal right where Mkhitaryan just everything just opened up for him in the middle. And he should have scored. Like he should have. It was strange.

33:50Musa Okwonga: It was almost like they were almost waving him through. And it was funny because there was a part of me flashing back when I watched that to like late 90s Serie A and thinking these gaps did not exist. In this, these gaps did not. Can you imagine Borussia Maldini watching the spaces open up thinking, oh, not on our day. But yeah, you're right. It almost, it fell open from such an extent that when he comes to like Money Mike to finish, when he comes to Mike Mignon, the finish that he chooses is almost like a,

34:17Ryan Hunn: not lacking confidence, but... It's like I haven't thought this far ahead because I didn't expect to get hit. This happens quite, this happens a lot in football when you don't expect to actually get there. Yeah, yeah. What was that quote? Everyone's got a plan until they're one-on-one with Mike Mignon? Yes.

34:32Musa Okwonga: But it's, you know, it's a difficult thing. He's so dreamy. I couldn't possibly, I couldn't possibly do this. So yeah, but the commentator was right, like put it either corner and that's in, but he tries to like dink it and Manon's got such great presence that he doesn't doesn't make it happen and then Fofana punches him the goal

34:49Ryan Hunn: oh my god

34:51Musa Okwonga: yeah the lead the actual the lead up to the goal of Stupinian it's his first is it his first his first season maybe even his first for Milan I think in total but what a time to score it incredible finish actually and I think this is salt in the wound really reminiscent of Inter at their best and the counter-tracking best funnily enough it's his first goal for Milan his first goal for Milan and Estipanán, what time to score it. I was a bit surprised, actually, when Estipanán got sold to Milan, I felt like the transfer, I think it was the beginning of Brighton's sideways move because he was an outstanding player.

35:25Musa Okwonga: And I thought...

35:26Ryan Hunn: Absolutely nailed on Manchester United player at one point. Oh God, yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely nailed on. Just so nailed on. To be honest, I thought he kind of had some Trebelse'd me. I assumed... Yes, he's your Trebelse. I assumed he'd already been there. for those who don't get the reference Acham Chabrelsy was so nailed on for Arsenal that he ended up playing for Arsenal in a pro-evo game

35:51Musa Okwonga: one of the most Arsenal players never to play for Arsenal Estepanan was brilliant but also credit to Milan generally because from the beginning of this game the pressure they put high up on Inter they were parked on the edge of that box on the edge of that box even Modric who spent most of his game like a bit deeper he was up there and when Modric is like that high up the pitch that early on you know that he smelled something you know he's he's got this amazing instinct modric i think even beyond his actual technical level i'd be fascinated to go back and like generate heat maps from like modric's career when he's out of possession and just like when modric we always said this modric jogs over the halfway line you're in trouble like because he's seen something that none of you have seen it's like the dog that like looks around and it's like where they've

36:36Ryan Hunn: and often they come back like carrying like yeah he's like the wily old detective who is surrounded by a load of really really enthusiastic young detectives and he's yeah it's ruffalo in task

36:49Musa Okwonga: amazing shout an amazing show and thank you for reminding me because i watched a chunk of that when i was on a long flight um a couple of months ago and i haven't followed up that i think it's got to episode four of task and yeah i love i love the modric ruffalo i love it i love it That's incredible, actually. Very well. You know who else has got, like, trouble detective vibes? I always felt like Zidane had that. Yeah, yeah. I always felt like Zinedine Zidane has got, you know, very much, but I think Zinedine Zidane is more like film noir. But yeah, on this derby, Inter never quite found their rhythm.

37:20Musa Okwonga: And there were so many points when they came into the box. DeMarco wasn't quite at it. Dumfries. And maybe that's also, I think, that tells a story in itself, that you've got the wide players who are more dangerous than the actual strikers. Inter never quite found their rhythm and it wouldn't be fair to say they're kind of stumbling a bit but I wonder how much the Champions League exit has affected them who knows maybe that's a bit of a hot take but also I think maybe it's just on Milan like Milan with a really strong performance where you look at it and think this is who you are why did you stumble and I think they kind of played with their food didn't they?

37:56Musa Okwonga: Milan played with their food I think Inter also did in this game to be honest

37:59Ryan Hunn: I think there were a couple of big big chances yet we've talked about the Mkhitary one but DiMarco had one where we put over the bar the commentators were getting oh the commentators were getting so hyped about it where they couldn't believe some of the chances that were being missed because to be honest I think Milan probably could have had another one Raffa Liao was quite wasteful with one should have squared it yeah should have squared it but yeah I mean this game could have easily ended 2-0 3-2 whatever can I say we've had some really

38:30Musa Okwonga: good derbies in Serie A this year if you think about how cagey like Juve Inter for example often is and how it was a banger we've seen some really really good derbies and I was not expecting that I've got to say because those are generally really really tight affairs so yeah like it's a bit of a subplot but classic derbies in Italy they definitely delivered

38:52Ryan Hunn: I mean speaking of derbies you had a kind of a Daniello De Rossi derby as well where his general side beat Roma 2-1 Roma just like a step forward to step back.

39:02Musa Okwonga: That man's had some great late career vibes, Daniel De Rossi. Yeah,

39:06Ryan Hunn: but Como beat Hallery the day before and they're actually up to fourth now, Como. That's it.

39:10Musa Okwonga: We've got to mention, since we're still in Italy, Venezia, 2-0 on Reggiana and now they're three points clear at the top of Serie B because Monza lost 4-2 at the weekend. Yes. So, all of a sudden a little bit of daylight, still a little bit to go in Serie B, but they've really brought it.

39:26Ryan Hunn: They go to Samp next weekend. Samp is struggling, by the way, lost again on the weekend. Frazzinone. any other Derby Della Madenina chat no all good does it open up the league

39:35Musa Okwonga: I think it opens up regret for Milan that they weren't more effective earlier because I think that Inter still have they can still steady the ship it's a Derby at the end of the day so Allegri look losing to Allegri in a Derby there's no shame in that especially by a single goal I think Inter have what it takes to manage the rest of the title race but I think this result will create regret I think among Milan supporters as it should because they are they're better than this they should be closer to enter than this. And we've said this, the few times I've watched them in recent weeks when I've had a chance to watch more of the games, I've just thought, this team, psychologically, this team doesn't have the decisiveness, actually.

40:18Musa Okwonga: This team doesn't have the, it doesn't seize the moment. And that's a tragedy for them because I think that title, I've got to say, I will always believe that this title was here for the taking, actually. so yeah it opens up regret but I don't think it opens up too much more yeah there was those

40:35Ryan Hunn: like runs weren't they when they kind of just drew games where they really should have got over the line and if you think like one or two of those goes differently and they're they're right behind it I agree man I agree do you want to shout out anything in La Liga quickly apart from I mean to be honest there was just a great Laminia Mal goal for Barcelona oh

40:52Musa Okwonga: Alec Madrid 3 Real Sociedad 2 just because it was a great game and Nico Gonzalez incredible off the bench but definitely Laminia Mal that game Atletic Club 0-0 Barcelona 1 you have to mention that because that's a huge result for Barcelona given that Real Madrid had beaten Celta Vigo 2-1 late on the night before Laminya Mal had just gone into a he's gone to a level Laminya Mal he's he's got the hot hand he's seized the moment and it was so symbolic to watch Pedri feed him for the winner Pedri was like give this man the strike just keep what's that scene in Black Panther get this man a shield um handing the assist to Luminiumal, ripping it top corner.

41:34Musa Okwonga: And just, this guy is just in a place now where it's like, we're taking this title. We're taking this league title. And yeah, kind of thrilling to watch. But those are the main stories, I think, from La Liga.

41:48Ryan Hunn: Yeah, can I just quickly shout out Osasuna 2, Miyoko 2, which is a 94th minute Budimir equaliser. Two red cards in this game as well. So if you wanted a goals and red cards. Goals and red cards. Goals and red cards. from the weekend. But yeah, that Atleti against Real Sociedad game was intriguing because they were obviously going to face off in the Copa del Rey final and yeah, I was a bit kind of disappointed with Real Sociedad but I thought Atleti were very, very good. Quickly, before we move on, just a quick shout to Monaco for Monaco who beat PSG on Friday in the Parc de France. They look brilliant, Monaco.

42:23Ryan Hunn: 3-1. Balogun scored again. I know. Balogun loves PSG. But Lons, a 3-0 win for Lons over Mets meant that they closed the gap to a point now and it's very tight at the top of that table.

42:35Musa Okwonga: On Monaco, I just want to say against PSG, they gave Monaco, they gave PSG the treatment that PSG gave them in the Champions League. It's so aggressive and there was a moment that Zaya Emery was playing out from the back and I just thought to myself, that felt like a symbol of you think you have more time. When Neymar, it was interesting, when Neymar was in France, the quality of the French League improved while he was there. At the beginning. So when he arrived there, he was trying stuff. Yeah, he arrived there, but he was doing stuff he couldn't do. By the end, it was... It reminded me of that.

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44:01Ryan Hunn: Alright man, let's look ahead to the Champions League very quickly because we've got the round of 16 first legs this week Galatasaray, Liverpool, Atalanta, Bayern Atleti, Spurs, Newcastle, Barcelona Leverkusen, Arsenal, Bodo Glimpse, Sporting PSG, Chelsea, Real Madrid, Man City again

44:19Musa Okwonga: I'm more intrigued by Newcastle, Barcelona That's mine In terms of the football I think the two's in terms of the styles that we're going to see the clash of styles um I'm grimly fascinated by Atletico Madrid Spurs um the thing about this is this won't tell us anything about either team weirdly enough Conor Gallagher returning yeah the Conor Gallagher derby I still don't know I'm like you know we said this before I'm still not quite sure how good Atleti are I still don't know what they are. Like, in terms of their ceiling and their floor, all I know is they're more fun than they were before. Adam and Olukin turned up.

45:01Musa Okwonga: Because that guy. So they're fun now. For Spurs, it's just a difficult one because sometimes the Champions League is a welcome break from the league form, but I don't think this is how this will play out. PSG Chelsea, I'm intrigued by because it's obviously Resenia returned to France. and I just think they're so weird Chelsea are so funny because you can't plan for them they're like so they're so weird

45:25Ryan Hunn: you literally cannot it wouldn't surprise me to see Chelsea get something out of the game wouldn't surprise me

45:29Musa Okwonga: if they won

45:29Ryan Hunn: no honestly

45:30Musa Okwonga: wouldn't surprise me at all they're so funny such an awkward team to plan for that counts for them elsewhere

45:39Ryan Hunn: I think Bayern are going to be fine against Atalanta I think I just think Bayern are too good

45:45Musa Okwonga: I think I think that's true

45:47Ryan Hunn: Atalanta are patchy Bayerns they'll be perfectly comfortable just managing the game and keeping it fairly tight and beating them back at the Allianz or they could really put their foot down go 2-3 up and then just it's done I think Sporting

46:04Musa Okwonga: I think Berta Glimt will struggle at Sporting more than they struggle against those other teams

46:07Ryan Hunn: I think so as well

46:08Musa Okwonga: just because Sporting have been in a really good vein of form and they won't be complacent in any way at all and they've lost very they've not been cooked the last they lost by a two goal margin was Bayern it's back in December like and they've been on a really really good run generally I think Sporting I think are for me they're the narrow favourites in that game actually just in terms of matchups and quality they're the narrow favourite just because of like the matchup

46:35Ryan Hunn: it's a really intriguing time

46:36Musa Okwonga: I think the other teams have given yeah I think the other it's my favourite in terms of the balance like there's not much in it and Berta are running hard no disrespect to them disrespect to them but I think the teams they've played against before have given them, I wouldn't say disrespectful, but given them a bit more space than they haven't been fully, actually, let me just put it better. They have not been fully clued up to the danger of what Burda can do in the counter-attack and Sporting actually in the last couple of years have been one of the better counter-attacking teams in this league, which is why they went through automatically without the playoff.

47:11Musa Okwonga: So I think this is very, very fine. I was wondering if this tie

47:14Ryan Hunn: is probably the biggest discrepancy in terms of weather in this round. But I checked the weather and it's going to be seven degrees and drizzly on Wednesday and then the following week. And the following week, it's going to be 17, it says in Lisbon. So 10 degree swing. Not as bad as I thought it was going to be.

47:35Musa Okwonga: Just say the food, the food, the food. Do you think it's the food derby? Let's see. Let me have a quick. Yeah, I think it is actually. I think it is. I think it is. low-key the food derby, actually. I mean, everyone's going to be, oh no, but Paris, Chelsea, but yeah, but we know Paris and London. I just think, respecting other names. Respecting other names, yeah.

47:56Ryan Hunn: I think, to be honest, I think Galatasaray-Liverpool is a low-key food derby. Don't underestimate the food in Liverpool, man.

48:03Musa Okwonga: I just think, if you're going head-to-head in terms of Turkish food is undefeated. Istanbul, though. Istanbul, dude. I wouldn't fancy, look, if it was a Champions League tie I'm not fancy Galatasaray I wouldn't enjoy playing against them and if I had to go into a food off a cook off against cooks a chef from Istanbul I'd be fighting for life it's the Europa League though the Europa League

48:27Ryan Hunn: is the true true food heavyweight it's the food you've got Bologna Roma Pantheonikos Betis you've got Athens and Seville there Bologna Roma Bologna Roma God sorry

48:41Musa Okwonga: I was salivating on the mic

48:43Ryan Hunn: just good grief loads man oh you know what like me and the ego and leon the literature

48:53wild and the wine the wine vigo you're just gonna say that is this like gonna you know

48:59Ryan Hunn: like uh those dudes will just literally sit around and name name cities name we're just this is descended into dudes will just literally sit around and just name stuff and have the best time.

49:13Musa Okwonga: Name stuff, name menus.

49:15Ryan Hunn: Alright, so how are we feeling about these ties? I think they're pretty good ties to be honest. I love the draw. I really love the draw. I think it's fantastic.

49:26Musa Okwonga: These ties are so well balanced in terms of, like, by Leivikus and what Hulman's done there, love it. It's going to be such a great contest. We've seen Havertz come back for Arsenal, He's added another dimension. It's like everyone is tooling up for the final push. I love how all these squads, if you look at them all differently, they've all kind of found their way. They've all found their way. Like Galatasaray, yeah, they almost went out to Juve, but they found another gear. Like each of these, and at Chelsea as well, they've shown some promising signs. Their forward line looks like it's figuring some things out.

50:01Musa Okwonga: Atalanta coming into their own. Each one of these teams, with the exception of, I think, Spurs, just because of the injuries, and that's not a knock on them, it's just the injuries a bit, I think it's a bit too much. Every other team into that quarterfinal setup is like a nasty proposition, I think. Each of them. Each of them. So yeah, I'm hyped. I'm very hyped.

50:21Ryan Hunn: And the thing is that whatever variations go through, whatever you get in the quarterfinals, they're going to be great. There's a lot of like really, really, really interesting draws that will pop up for the rest of the tournament, which is one of the great things, I think, about mapping out the Champions League draw like this it is a real plus that they've got and also teams know you know like Arsenal and Bayern for example know that they're going to play their second legs at home no matter what for the rest of the tournament however far they like

50:47Musa Okwonga: which is huge knowing you've got the ability to correct mistakes at home in the second leg is enormous it's not saying the first leg is a free hit but it's saying you can like whether you can take a few blows and then just sit back and reconfigure yeah as long as that first leg doesn't go away from you and frankly it doesn't it's not really inclined to at this level yeah I'm really really hyped for it

51:09Ryan Hunn: me too right a couple of quick shouts before we get out of here Celtic get Rangers on penalties in the Scottish Cup to go through to the semi-final at Ibrox and it all got a bit gnarly afterwards it was 0-0 after extra time Celtic winning 4-2 on penalties few Celtic fans came onto the pitch and then a load of Rangers fans came onto the pitch as well and it all kicked off for a while and it got I think it managed to calm down fairly quickly though based on what happened on TV which I think compared to what it could have happened. It was the first time that Celtic had a full allocation for an away game against Rangers since I think 2018.

51:45Ryan Hunn: I imagine there will probably be some restrictions on games between these two in the future again because it did at one point look pretty gnarly. Fans were trading flares, which when that happens it gets a bit... But a great game of football. Yeah, just a shame that that kind of happened at the end just to overshadow it. and then there was a horrible fire by the station in Glasgow yeah yeah central yeah horrible the women's asian cup the weekend's fixtures uh saw two of the groups conclude uh South Korea and Australia progressing through group a China and North Korea progressing through group B uh group C is still to be completed.

52:30Ryan Hunn: And then we have the knockouts. Iran were eliminated. They lost 2-0 to the Philippines. And it feels like there's going to be a lot more come out around the situation because apparently some, and I'm taking this from a BBC report, which says that five members of the Iranian women's football team have taken refuge in a safe house in Australia following their elimination in the Asian Cup. Sources have told the BBC. officials have not yet commented publicly obviously with the situation that's going on in Iran it's made that situation for those players extremely precarious

53:07Musa Okwonga: especially with that relative spout still back in Iran so making any kind of political statement when you're abroad it just has impacts back home thoughts with them we hope they navigate that

53:18Ryan Hunn: let's just wrap up before we go Benfica Porto yeah definitely

53:23Musa Okwonga: Porto were 2-0 up yes But then again, I mean, then again, I suppose in a hostile territory, Benfica pull it back with a very, very late goal. They make it to all on the 18th minute. Mourinho gets sent off. God, I mean, just staying on brand. Mourinho gets sent off late. So this means that Porto remain top, supporting a second. Benfica are just at a further point back in third. Benfica actually undefeated in the league, but they've drawn quite a few. But a great, great goal here. you sent me this actually because I was away actually and you're like check out Pieterzewski's goal up for angry goal it's a gorgeous goal actually it's amazing completely cross crosses over Otamendi I think he's 17 crosses over Otamendi rips it in the corner I think he's the youngest goal scorer for Porto is in this fixture wow really he's hit some record I think

54:13Ryan Hunn: the sound of this goal considering it I'm going to play a bit actually because the sound of it considering it was I think what he hit it 8 yards out unreal

54:22Musa Okwonga: yes the youngest goal scorer he's the youngest goal scorer for porto against benfica wild but yeah like check this out considering he's like only eight yards out

54:39Ryan Hunn: like the sound of it like do you know what unnecessary but i respect it no not at all

54:46Musa Okwonga: but doing that against a benfica veteran reminded me of ronaldinho scoring that goal against um Ramos when he cuts inside and then just absolutely clatters it and it's like yeah these are the levels these are the levels wild wild goal

54:59Ryan Hunn: yeah yeah yeah put the game on notice two goals in his first eight games for Porto he only signed in January he's on a journey alright man shall we leave it there for today

55:10Musa Okwonga: let's do it let's do it what a thrilling note to leave it on and definitely a contender for angry goal of the year we've had quite a few bangers already actually yeah actually I've got to say shout out to we mentioned him last week i think but jordan pickford angry saver of the year the vamos against tonali if we're going to do an angry save which we won't but i think it's worth an only mention because you know keepers get angry too

55:39Ryan Hunn: oh dear sounds like one of those like facebook groups where it's like sensitive keepers who get

55:48Ryan Hunn: well let's get out of here let's do it i'm sure you've got something to something to do no not at all not at all all right everyone we hope everyone's staying safe and well wherever you are don't forget if you want to sign up for stadio on patreon patreon.com forward slash stadio take advantage of the first month 30 off for our spring patreon push two shows this week seb staffer bloor will be joining me on wednesday to talk about spurs and some champions league stuff from Tuesday and then Moose and I will do a very quick Champions League wrap up and then we're going to be joined by Scroobius Pip on Thursday.

56:22Ryan Hunn: So then we hope everyone's staying safe and well and don't forget to check the Stadio out to us on Spotify. Speaking of which, we're playing out on Ocean Moon, Plains of Paradise. Anything you would like to add, Moose Hockonga?

56:34Musa Okwonga: No, I'm just going to wander down to Atlantic Avenue. Stop that, mate. Did I mention I was in Brazil?

56:49Musa Okwonga: let me get out of here right i will all right much love back with you on wednesday see you soon

57:14Thank you.

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