Set piece suffering, IFAB changes and Bayern lock onto the title

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1:52Musa Okwonga: hello and welcome back to the stadio podcast i'm mr quonga i'm right home ryan how you doing Yeah, I'm doing alright. Thanks, man. How are you? I am good in the middle of everything, in the middle of all of Waves around everything.

2:05Ryan Hunn: Yeah, on that, we hope everyone's staying safe and well, wherever you are. Yeah, another week, another just... I don't even know the words. We just hope everyone's doing okay, you know, because it's a lot. Today, hopefully, we can take your mind off some stuff for a while. and going to begin by doing some admin. And it's spring, Moosa. Spring has sprung. March is our Patreon push. So if you are listening on the free feed and you want to sign up to Patreon, there is an offer at the moment. If you go to Patreon, you'll see at the top 30 % off your first month and it's valid until the 31st of March.

2:48Ryan Hunn: Midnight on the 31st of March or midnight on the 1st of April. so yeah basically valid for all of March so if you want to sign up for Stadio you can use the promo code SPRING at checkout and you get 30 % off your first month it's valid for the podcast membership it's also valid for the Stadio Social Club if you want to check that out and get involved in the discord hangouts and stuff like that and also if you are a Stadio Social Club member you get extra perks and discounts like you get a merch discount and there will be a new merch drop coming this month that you will be able to get discount on so Stadio Spring Patreon push go to patreon.com forward slash Stadio and use Spring at checkout, come and join us and also if you are a member of Patreon, you're a free member and you want to convert that into a paid membership you can also do so and you know that we also know times are tough and we also hope to subsidise some memberships as well so if you want to reach out about that feel free.

3:52Ryan Hunn: Today we are going to touch on a few games from around Europe because it was Dortmund Bayern this weekend, it was El Grand Derby, another big result in the Bundesliga. Laminia Mahl got his first Barcelona hat-trick. Great one it was too. And we'll also talk about the Premier League because there were more set pieces this weekend. Some big results this weekend as well. and then what we're going to do is we're going to segue from the Premier League set piece is the set piece suffering really that necessary into some of these IFAB law changes it was 140th AGM on the weekend and they ratified some rule changes including some stuff to speed up games Thursday's show if you want to listen to that ad free in full on Patreon we're going to round up some of the Premier League stuff but also we're probably going to just do a bit of a check-in on the World Cup.

4:48Ryan Hunn: We were going to do it today but it feels like with everything that's going on it's so rapidly evolving that maybe by Thursday there might be more coming out from an official point of view. So yeah, we're going to touch on that because there's a lot of there's so much stuff, it just feels like it's never-ending so I think it's time to just get a bit of a check-in and see where we're at on it. So yeah, patreon.com forward slash stadio if you want to go and check that out if the world cup does go ahead moose is convinced that manchester united will win it yes they'll retain it

5:26Ryan Hunn: all right well let's get into it and there is only actually one place to begin there is one place to begin this week. Can you guess where it is, Musa?

5:42Ryan Hunn: Roma 3, Juventus 3. Incorrect. It is Emma Hayes' cowboy hat is where we're starting this week. You know what? I'll allow it.

5:52Musa Okwonga: I'll allow it. Emma Hayes is having a great time. You reminded me of, actually. Carlo Ancelotti at Carnival. What is about international managers showing and living their best lives? Maybe the coaching career, maybe the international coaching job was the job they'd wanted all along. They just didn't realize it. You notice of the spiritual home. Like, does she not look spiritually at home in that hat? And you see Carlo in his shirt. You're like, oh my goodness, what are we doing? I'd be very surprised if she manages. You can see Pep in a polo shirt with a golfing glove coaching Spain. There's a reality where that happens.

6:33Ryan Hunn: Before we carry on, the 2026 Women's AFCON has been postponed just weeks before it's supposed to get underway in Morocco. It's been pushed back to August and September. The reason for which, I'm taking this from Her Football Hub, it will be delayed due to reported organisation on scheduling difficulties. The request to postpone came from the Moroccan Football Federation who had raised concerns about preparations being completed in time. And this comes shortly after Morocco has hosted other major football events. Pretty much confirmed that it will be August, September, which is a real shame because all the teams were already underway in their preparation.

7:13Musa Okwonga: Also, the thing about that as well, as much as that being awful too, is that it was also, it's also for qualifying for the Women's World Cup. So how that affects everything. Pushes that back as well. Yeah, yeah.

7:25Ryan Hunn: Just a nightmare all around. Yep. So I wanted to just mention that up top. But let's get into some football. Yeah. Shall we start in the Westfalenstadion?

7:36Musa Okwonga: Yes.

7:37Ryan Hunn: Dortmund 2, Bayern 3 in the top Spiel der Wöcke in the Bundesliga.

7:42Musa Okwonga: The headline is Dortmund 2, Bayern Munich 3. I suppose the subplot is that Schlotterbeck, living my dream going on an absolute journey so many players went on journeys in this um match there were so many like subplots and little narratives within it uh by and beginning i thought really quite well but not necessarily generating that much a lot of heat not so much light dortmund being pushed back um and then dortmund like being resilient and taking the lead to thought just i feel bad look we'll discuss the game as a whole but i I feel bad in the sense that I felt Dortmund gave a lot of this, considering their injury issues, really their best shot.

8:26Musa Okwonga: I was quite impressed with Dortmund.

8:27Ryan Hunn: I was impressed. I was impressed. How did you see it, actually?

8:30Musa Okwonga: You jump in before I monologue too much.

8:32Ryan Hunn: It was fine. There was an early injury to Emre Chan. He didn't look quite right for the rest of the first half. And he's ended up coming out that he's got an ACL problem, which is bad. But Schlotterbeck back in the side with the captain's armband. scoring well booked scoring the opening goal and then giving away the penalty just the true Okwonga journey oh my god I loved it the only thing he didn't manage to do was get that second yellow to complete the the arc complete the full the full experience

9:02Musa Okwonga: I thought the first decision the yellow he got was a really good bit of refereeing yeah because well he got the ball and company was like what the hell is that they were like the Bayern fans the Bayern bench were just an uproar understandably because it looked dangerous and the ref was like you got the ball but it's dangerous play and I just thought in a time when referees have made decisions we've found highly questionable at best it's nice to be able to like compliment a ref for like this I think you've got all parts of that right and I think even Schlotterbeck was like yeah fair enough got me there yeah

9:34Ryan Hunn: and I thought Dortmund did okay that first half Bayern started to Bayern were much better in the second half got back into it with a Harry Kane goal and then a Harry Kane penalty 10 of his 30 Bundesliga goals this season have been penalties. I think he's the first player to score what was the start? I should have checked this but it's a long, long time I think like 40 odd years since a Bundesliga player has scored 10 penalties in a single season. Damn, that's wild. Then Daniel Svensson getting Dortmund back into it and levelling it with a lovely finish.

10:09Musa Okwonga: Oh, that was absolutely gorgeous. and he had the assist

10:14Ryan Hunn: for the first as well I think so really good

10:18Musa Okwonga: really impressed by him throughout and I love the celebration as well the somersault that's going to be like a lost and raised celebration because the goal and somersault like they belonged to a team that got a point it's still difficult to believe a little bit that having brought themselves back into they didn't end up with at least the point from this they were just such good value is it though yeah I think well not in the context of their results I mean I've I've seen this movie. We have, we have, but I felt, if I look back, if Dortmund fans look back, they could say, well, look, maybe there were issues with execution, but even, even Baia's opportunities were kind of like half slash quarter chances.

10:57Musa Okwonga: There were no absolute sitters that I think they missed. I thought that Sabitzer and Mecha were like combative in midfield. I thought Pavlovich, I think that was a nice duel in midfield, actually Pavlovich too. I thought he was quite useful. And you know, we know what Kimmich offers in this fixture. I mean he's always in the mix but I thought that Dortmund acquitted themselves really quite well in this game

11:18Ryan Hunn: Do you know well I mean before we go on to that Kimmich with the volley to seal it for Bayern at the end and that means that at the top of the Bundesliga now Bayern have an 11 point gap and I think that is that I think it's fair to say it's fair to say that is yeah Can you tell me Musak Wangler for 10 points can you tell me the last time Borussia Dortmund beat FC Bayern at home in the league really you're doing this to me oh god no because I think it's an interesting experiment because it's longer than I thought 2017 not quite 2018 damn 3-2 two goals from Marco Reus and Paco Alcacer yes

12:05Musa Okwonga: when he was blowing hot for that year that wild year that Alcacer was like scoring every like every 60 seconds. Yeah, that's wild. They had a Super Cup win

12:19Ryan Hunn: in 2019 as well, but in the league at home. Goodness me. Eight years nearly.

12:26Musa Okwonga: That's the type of, the problem is that's the type of record that then becomes a thing psychologically. I was thinking a lot about Dorman's failure to win the championship by basically not getting done against Mites on the final day. And I was thinking back to how much of a kind of psychological impact that has. The sense that you can't get big things over the line. They really, I mean, I think about that Mites game so often. They should have closed it out. They should have closed it out. Because I think it was such a sliding doors moment for the Bundesliga as well. You look at games like this, and individually Bayern, you know, Dortmund looks strong.

13:00Musa Okwonga: But structurally, the level of catch-up they are still playing, it's just, yeah, it's a real. there should be a mural of Haaland Bellingham Sancho from that from that era

13:13Ryan Hunn: and there isn't I was at the one last season in Dortmund I was at the one the year before in Dortmund there's something quite I don't know it's a really odd atmosphere I think because there is such a clear golf in the sides it always just creates quite a weird atmosphere last season the one I was at Gittins opened the scoring and then Mussi got that late header so Bayern have a habit now of scoring like goals there. Yeah. I think when Bayern don't need to win those games necessarily it just creates such a sense of freedom for them. Yes. We kind of thought that the title race wasn't really a title race anyway and that Bayern had it sewed up.

13:48Ryan Hunn: They definitely have it sewed up now. Yeah. Sewing up now, sorry. But let's, can I just shout out the big, the real big result of the weekend was Sankt Pauli's win away at Hoffenheim. Changes everything, doesn't it? Which is absolutely huge for them and it was Matthias Pereira-Lage's first Bundesliga goal coming in a stoppage time at the end of the first half. Back-to-back wins for St. Pauli, three wins in their last four, and they are now 15th in the Bundesliga. So they've gone from being in real, real trouble to being level on points with Mainz, who we have praised massively recently because of Urs Fischer turning them around.

14:26Ryan Hunn: They're only a point behind Köln.

14:29Musa Okwonga: Not far off Gladbach either. And the thing about this is the interesting thing is having beaten third place hoffenheim is the belief it gives you yep the knowledge of what's capable yeah you know you beat hoffenheim away no less in third who've been in great form you know who've been absolutely like tearing up you know tearing up the league um apart from the bike getting cooked against bain but then again happens to the best of them um yeah really really really impressive from sam pauli yeah resilient at the back and getting back to basics getting back to the form that kept them I think in the Bundesliga yeah yeah definitely

15:06Ryan Hunn: just a really really massive win, quick shout let's go elsewhere, let's go La Liga very quickly Laminio Males got his first ever career hat-trick Pedri came on again and he's getting back to full fitness and my god, I know Laminio got the hat-trick and the second goal from Lamin frightening, was so good frightening, but the Pedri pass for the third, goodness and the pre-assist from Pedri for the Lewandowski goal. Punches it through the gap.

15:33Musa Okwonga: Absolutely unbelievable. The frightening thing about those players is their ability to elevate a game from nothing. Well, actually, let me go back and say it. There was the commentators watching on German comms and the guy goes, oh, Laminia Mahl scores out of nothing. And I'm being slightly uncharitable here, but the problem is when Laminia Mahl receives the ball in the final third on the right flank, it's not, it's already, you're already in danger.

15:56Ryan Hunn: His nothing isn't everyone else's nothing.

15:58Musa Okwonga: What's that character in The Simpsons? chuckles, I'm in danger.

16:02Ryan Hunn: That's how I feel. Well, it was like when Messi, whenever Messi used to pick the ball up on the halfway line against Athletic Club, you have the entire San Bermes was just like, oh, not again.

16:11Musa Okwonga: They've seen it. Not again. They've literally seen it. The worst thing was, Messi receiving the ball at San Bermes in a standing position is often enough. It's often enough. It's not even when he's actually, you'd rather he was at full speed because then you know what you're dealing with, but when Messi is standing still and receives the possession on the right flank then it's it's alarm and the problem the second goal at Laminemal check it out if you get a chance like the two defenders will look at each other and be like we should have been standing shoulder to shoulder because he picks them off one by one yeah but such a good goal no ordinary hat trick because it's Laminemal that of course they're all bangers check them out and Pedri but the big game big game of the weekend though

16:51Ryan Hunn: yes the derby Betis to Sevilla too Betis going 2-0 up in the first half and being so in control really on the whole it felt like they just on the whole it felt as though they were going to run away with it and then to be fair to Sevilla who have had a real struggle this season they got back into it Alexis Sanchez header and then an Isaac Romero equaliser five minutes from time gave them a point in Seville if you haven't seen it go watch it always a great game Alexis Sanchez

17:26Musa Okwonga: Sevilla by the way is such a just it's such a great fit it's such a perfect fit

17:31Ryan Hunn: I agree

17:32Musa Okwonga: I know in terms of like players that just belong and Romero's equaliser check it out if you get a chance because it's an absolute banger

17:37Ryan Hunn: so good the best game in Serie A this weekend was it was the 3-0 it was the 3-0

17:43Musa Okwonga: Romelu Ventus Daniel Marlin oh oh I'm not a 9 am I I'm not a 9 this finish was so good Marlin with the usher watch this waiting for the keeper to fall before like lifting over him man it's Rolls-Royce finishing out there um Roma 3-1 up should have should have closed it out but Juventus showing real resilience and my man Kansai Sal scoring an absolute banger for Juve dude that guy I'm never selling my stocks in Kansai Sal I believe I think he's so good I don't get it I don't get it I just think I don't know why there's like there's not more conversation about his signature I think he's

18:20Ryan Hunn: I'm waiting for the the Musa Kwonga he there is a gap on the Real Madrid right hand side i'm waiting i'm waiting patiently i'm like one of those wildlife photographers where they finally get the shot and they say he camped outside in minus 17 four and a half years to find that one shot that's me waiting for the musak one good contest out to real madrid right inside take

18:47Musa Okwonga: listen as pep said we will be there we will be there when it finally happens i'll be like

18:54Ryan Hunn: it's been 84 years 84 years

18:59Musa Okwonga: his first press conference will be like there's some obscure podcast been trying to sell you to this club for ages how do you feel about it he's like security get them out of here

19:06Ryan Hunn: I had some podcast that was for actual hipsters said something about

19:13Musa Okwonga: for those who aren't aware of that reference we were referred to referred to this weekend by the Observer the Observe newspaper in the UK as a podcast for actual hipsters so for those listeners yeah

19:31Ryan Hunn: Inter beat Genoa 2-0 on the weekend to maintain their 10 point gap over Milan who beat Cremonese 2-0 Napoli beat Hellas Verona 2-1 96th minute winner for Romelu Lukaku and it was a very emotional post-match interview as well glad to see him back fit and scoring for Napoli and Como beat Lecce 3-1 so Como go above Juve Atalanta meanwhile just when he thought things were going so sweet they go and lose away at Sassuolo which is a shame actually because they were looking to push for Champions League but yeah a rare blip recently for Atalanta next week it is

20:13Musa Okwonga: the Derby della Madanina means plenty as well I mean we know that Milan went sideways a bit in the league but still

20:21Ryan Hunn: before we move on And just a very quick shout for Rangers Celtic drawing 2-0, a stoppage time equaliser for Celtic. And it was good news for Hearts who beat Aberdeen to open up a six-point gap at the top of the table. Also this week, the Women's Asian Cup started Australia with a 1-0 win over the Philippines. And also South Korea beating Iran 3-0. Yeah, kind of amazing that they even managed to play this with everything that's going on at the moment.

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21:54Ryan Hunn: Let's go to the Premier League. Round up some Premier League stuff. Let's do it. Arsenal-Chelsea first?

21:59Musa Okwonga: Yes, I feel like that's the most consequential game, potentially.

22:03Ryan Hunn: Responding to City closing the gap to two points on the weekend after their win away at Leeds.

22:08Musa Okwonga: Not an easy win either. 1-0 at Leeds. Semenya goal. Yeah, yeah.

22:13Ryan Hunn: It's settled in so well. So well. Oh, dude, it's wild. It's actually kind of terrifying. Love that player. Yeah. So City closed the points. Arsenal had to respond as they did. It was a... I actually thought the first half was quite fun in this game because it felt quite open and I think that suited both sides. I think so. I thought... Yeah, carry on. I wish more games were like this actually because I do think that the thing that cost Arsenal in the first half was just some... Well, I was going to text you actually. There was at one point where I thought Arsenal aren't taking this seriously enough because, and I know that sounds like a criticism, I don't mean it in a sense of they weren't, but I mean, it felt like they knew, remember you talked about that game, was it Argentina-Saudi Arabia in the World Cup where you said they played that game as if they knew that they were going to get more chances.

23:05Ryan Hunn: It felt like Arsenal played that first half as if they knew they were going to get more and more chances and they were wasteful, I think, with those opportunities. It's funny you mention that. I thought exactly the same.

23:15Musa Okwonga: Yeah, however, in terms of a game state,

23:19Ryan Hunn: I would be fine if every single game was like that for the rest of the season because I feel that Arsenal have enough attacking quality and are defensively sound enough to overcome that. For example, I think if the second half had been exactly the same, which I don't think it was, I think it tightened up a lot more in the second half. I'm comfortable enough with Arsenal going blow to blow with people. And I think they should have probably been, not out of sight, but they should have been two ahead I think maybe in the first half I didn't agree with Resenia's comments post game saying when Arsenal created nothing in the first half apart from set pieces I think that was a bit

23:57Musa Okwonga: I think he's leaning into the bit and I get it I actually yeah I get that but I think

24:01Ryan Hunn: all you needed to do was just literally have a look at the stats and I think Chelsea had two chances in the first half Arsenal were much better in an attacking sense they got the goal through the corner which is what it is now in the Premier League. Liverpool scored three of their goals on Saturday came from set pieces. It's just it is a Premier League thing. Chelsea got their goal from a set piece. I'm kind of glad they did in a way because I think the corner right before that should have been a penalty. I think that's a penalty. I think it's a bit if they didn't score that corner because obviously it doesn't really matter now I would be very very annoyed as a Chelsea fan this weekend.

24:47Ryan Hunn: And then Arsenal take the lead again with a set piece. Neto gets his second yellow, gets sent off. Darren England hates playing advantage.

24:59Ryan Hunn: The second half just felt like another absolute suffer ball fest.

25:03Musa Okwonga: I would say from a Chelsea perspective, I really liked Rhys James throughout. I thought he offered a lot. Came inside really well. He came inside so often, I thought he was playing as a centre midfielder at one point. really really enterprising I thought Santos was good too Sar Sanchez was bold Resenia is asking a lot of him in terms of distribution maybe slightly too much and this is Sanchez is getting a lot of knocks but I think the way Resenia wants to play I worry that Sanchez isn't going to make it out of the next iteration of Chelsea players like the next squad but I don't know if he's Resenia's ideal keeper and the reason I'm critical of Arsenal is that I think if they had better execution in the final third with some better pass completion they could have scored earlier but I thought beyond all that respect to Sanchez and to Chelsea for actually sticking to Resenia's game plan which could have been more fruitful and I think you know like we know what Arsenal can be like from set pieces we know about the threat yes obviously but what I was impressed by with Chelsea was their ability to put pressure, apply pressure when Arsenal wasted opportunities.

26:14Musa Okwonga: So there was a key moment, Trossard gets the ball towards the end of the first half and there's a through ball on. There's a through ball and you don't have to be Kevin De Bruyne to make that through ball and there's a clear shift in intensity. They don't make that and then Chelsea apply so much pressure they get the two corners and at least the equalise. That moment, that moment there, that specific period I thought was so impressive from Chelsea because they were like...

26:37Ryan Hunn: It's funny you mentioned that pass specifically because I think he played the wrong pass there. I think so too or I think he can carry there's so much space he can carry for ages

26:44Musa Okwonga: he telegraphed it yeah and Kaiseido ate up everything in that middle area like that is not you're not going to be a player of that quality when a player of that quality sees you shaping up then he's not on an island because he can screen rail and so but he made it easy for him and the moment that happened Chelsea I think applied a bit of a clamp that lasted pretty much till the end of the first half which I thought was their best period actually that part of the game. And they really quiet things down. They're going into half-time at 1-0. And, you know, you had the nerves there. Yeah, yeah. You had the nerves.

27:20Ryan Hunn: It's going to be like that for the rest of the season. Excuse me. It's going to be like that for the rest of the season, especially in home games, I find.

27:25Musa Okwonga: Totally. And Arsenal found their way out of that. I'll give them credit for that. They found their way out of that mix and they held their nerve. And you saw that Pedro Neto red for the two yellows. The second one he was arguing about, I feel like it was almost just a frustration. I feel like it was almost a kind of like, it's so clear and I've so clearly been done here. And I thought, to Martinelli's credit, I thought he attacked with real purpose. I mean, watching Martinelli go one-on-one with Rhys James and using a burst of pace, I just thought it shows such a level of confidence against arguably Chelsea's best outfield player alongside Caicedo.

28:05Musa Okwonga: So yeah, some really good matchups all over the pitch. and just, I mean, I know I sound a bit, you know, maybe I'm optimistic because United are in third, but I actually quite enjoyed this game, to be honest.

28:17Ryan Hunn: I mean, I absolutely didn't. I would have done if I'd supported neither of those clubs, especially the one that was pushing for the title.

28:24Musa Okwonga: Great save from Raya. Can I say, goalkeepers union here, goalkeepers criticise such, the save from David Raya when the ball bounces in the box and tips around the post. Cross, yeah. I'm not goalkeeper, but I think there are goalkeepers that look at saves that goalkeepers make and go, actually, that fingertip save there is not as impressive as that one. Because the fingertip save, you have a clear sight the whole way through, good footwork, time to adjust your body. Whereas the Raya one that comes to the crowd, dips, it swerves, it's coming out of the stadium lights, there's all that noise, it's end of the game, you're tired, fatigue, all the rest of it.

28:59Musa Okwonga: And you've got to watch it onto your fingers because you're waiting for a deviation. So you've got to actually wait for it to come through the crowd untouched before you can make a choice. about where it goes. It's almost like watching a goalkeeper's... It's the equivalent of watching an attacker's footwork before penalty is struck. And only then, but only the differences with the penalty, at least the ball's further out. Like, you're having to make a choice way, way closer to the ball, actually. The ball's like virtue on his nose for the time he makes a choice. But yeah, great save.

29:28Ryan Hunn: On that, actually, Joe Hart did a really good piece of analysis on Match of the Day.

29:33Musa Okwonga: Oh, lovely.

29:34Ryan Hunn: And he focused specifically on David Raya. He focused on the save from the corner where he is being wrestled out and kind of just pushes it around the post. And then he focused on that save, the cross, because he broke it down in terms of his positioning and anticipation for each stage of that. Yes. Oh, wow. And he said he's pretty much, he said he's pretty much perfect in every single aspect. There were phases. That save, oh my God,

29:58Musa Okwonga: it's so funny. I had no idea he'd done that because I was watching on the German thing, but he makes saves in multiple, he makes multiple, there are multiple elements to it.

30:06Ryan Hunn: Yeah, yeah. It's really cool actually. It was a good breakdown.

30:08Musa Okwonga: Do you know what I love about that? I love like watching those breakdowns because it reminds me of like an Olympic skier like where you've got those adjustments to different parts of the actual descent.

30:17Ryan Hunn: Yeah.

30:17Musa Okwonga: Yeah, the elements of goalkeeping, man. I mean, yeah. Tough job. Hook it to my veins. Tough job. Tough job. Talk of tough jobs.

30:24Ryan Hunn: Well, no, can I just say I want to shout out someone from the Chelsea side quick. A couple of things. I want to shout out Eze from Arsenal because even though it wasn't as much of a showpiece game as last week and I think a lot of people were expecting a little more. There were quite a lot of things I don't think would have shown up on the stat sheet necessarily. I thought he was great. That just felt, you could see why he was in there. There was just a lot of little touches around the corner, little bits of moving the ball on. I think he added a real sense of fluidity in there while he wasn't really involved in any of the goals or it wasn't as highlight reel packed as last week against Spurs.

31:06Ryan Hunn: I think you just saw the benefit of having him in there and letting him float with that protection of Rice and Zubamendi behind. And I also think that there are going to be some games this season that you don't need the added protection of Rice and Zubamendi. It looks like Rice picked up an injury. I'm not sure if he's going to play for the Brighton game. I want to shout out someone from Chelsea, Joel Hato. Going up against Bukayo Saka is tricky. and I just thought he came in with a very difficult assignment. And I thought it played pretty well. I don't think Saka had a lot of chances, like a lot of joy down that right hand side.

31:43Musa Okwonga: Well, look at the numbers. So his numbers, Hato's numbers, tackles three, last man tackle one, the clearance is four, this is all fuck mob. Head of clearance one, interceptions three, recoveries four, dribble past only once. And that doesn't tell the story actually. That's impressive by itself. but I thought Saka never quite in that first half in particular, never quite looked like he was in his flow. And I think that's because Hato's positioning was quite, I think he didn't quite get his rhythm and this is not, it was more like he wasn't in his rhythm. And I think Hato's positioning, shepherding him inside was just quite good.

32:19Musa Okwonga: There were no easy wins for him, I think. Saka does that thing where he's very patient. He's looking at you, wondering about whether he can off balance you, step in and there were times he would take that first step and it was like ah actually this dude is not this dude is not easy to shift past so yeah I think no Saka patient as ever but wasn't really getting the joy I think that you might expect against a player with far less experience so yeah love that shout

32:47Ryan Hunn: so enough of Arsenal Chelsea Manchester United yes let's shout out Manchester United who are third in the Premier League third Michael Carrick's Manchester United

32:59Musa Okwonga: Football Club and in this present moment looking good value for it in this present moment like when I say that because you know not the most they weren't the most impressive in you could say the last three games but the resilience to come back from a goal down at Crystal Palace this is a game that only a few months ago Manchester United go on and lose without question and that arguably three months ago go on and lose so to come back in this style Bruno ushering them forward and Seshko looking liberated. This is actually, there was talk actually before about Seshko being a summer target for Arsenal and one of Arteta's players he really likes.

33:41Musa Okwonga: And you can see why actually there's a lot in his game that's attractive to Arteta. But I think now he's got eight goals in 23 matches. I think he will end up as United's starting striker. He's being eased into this position and just seems to love it. Like his positioning, this is the thing I would say about Seshko. If you look at his goals for United so far this year, a great header in this case, his positioning for his finishes is absolutely like, is elite. Whether it's a counter-attack, whether it's a hanging corner towards the far post, the center of goal, whether it's getting in front of his man at the near post.

34:18Musa Okwonga: In a time of criticism of the lack of traditional nines, Seshko is absolutely a traditional nine in the old you know he's an old style number nine and he's he's brilliant in the in the flashes of his peak form that we've seen and we've known this with Seshko for a long time we've known that he's got all the pieces I don't think he'll hit full stride until halfway through next season I'm really really encouraged what I'm seeing so far and by Carrick generally and can I say as well like the board not jumping to throw a contract at Carrick I'm really loving that patience and I'm also loving beyond the pitch the banner Manchester United proudly colonised by immigrants

35:02Musa Okwonga: Radcliffe's been quite quiet hasn't he? Very quiet you know what I think I don't know how much time he spends online I think he thought he ate when he said that I think he thought people were going to be like oh my god yeah great give it to the woke mafia

35:17Ryan Hunn: How long do you think? before Big Sir Jim runs in a by-election.

35:27Musa Okwonga: I thought you were going to say, how long do you think it was until the backlash started? I think he looked at his phone expecting people to be like, oh, wow, yeah, great. But instead it was like SpongeBob 1877 and other various bots going, yeah, great stuff, Sir Jim. And all the actual people were like, this is terrible. All the actual humans were like, what?

35:48Ryan Hunn: I'm just waiting for how long before he switches to the free speech thing you know Big James will launch his own YouTube

35:55Musa Okwonga: I've been cancelled but yeah very happy with that result for United elsewhere other strong results Wolves Wolves 2 Aston Villa nil that's a wild result

36:08Ryan Hunn: well it's not a wild result actually because it's a derby and Wolves are not the worst Premier League team of all time

36:16Musa Okwonga: as some people are talking about. Not even close. This Wolves team, they're not even, they don't have the worst defensive record in the league. They're really goal shy. We know that much, but you know, no sin there. But they're just difficult to put away. They're really difficult to put away week and week out. And full credit, because Villa really wanted this win as well. This wasn't, you know, it was a derby, but they were really after it. Emery sounded like a little bit dejected after the, after the game. so the post-match basically like you know these are the wins you have to get like we were dreaming of the title at one point and now we've got to take stock this would have you know this is the kind of game I'm not saying you should have won this specifically because Wolves were better than them but to keep pace to keep third after the start they had I mean that's long behind them now but Villa should be looking to finish third I think given the run of their season they should be looking to finish third and this is such a setback for them and like I said you could tell this wasn't a game that they were given by any means.

37:16Musa Okwonga: Wolves. Yeah. Great victory.

37:19Ryan Hunn: Spurs. Spurs have not won a Premier League game this calendar year. And so they lost 2-1 away at Fulham, which in isolation is not a bad result at all. I have sympathy with Igor Tudor because of the decision for the first Fulham goal, was it, I think? Where there is quite a clear, let's say, a situation that is very, very comparable to the one that went against them last week. And I understand his frustration with the lack of consistency around that ruling. After that game, I think we said it feels like a law that's kind of just at the whim of a referee. And it's subjective as to what you deem to be too much force or not.

38:10Ryan Hunn: but I understand they look in a lot of trouble actually and I was looking at their fixtures coming up Palace at home on Thursday and then there's no game next weekend for them because of the FA Cup and they go to Atleti they have a run of games which is Atleti away Liverpool away Atleti at home and then Forest at home that's horrible and it's got to the point where weirdly the Champions League is now becoming a distraction because they can't just rotate in the Champions League. First of all they don't have enough players to do that and second of all

38:53Ryan Hunn: they need a win

38:54Musa Okwonga: The problem with the Champions League is if you get a demoralising defeat and look this might all blow up on our faces and they'll be like oh look but actually we got through against Atleti over two legs. Okay that could happen. There's a universe where that can happen because look, they're professional footballers, they're talented, they can marshal and they might get lucky, yes. And they might get players back at the right time. You never like to manage a team from a perspective of damage limitation. If they can have, like you're aiming to go through against Atleti, of course, but if they can have an honourable performance over two legs, win or lose, just contain the damage because one thing Igor Tudor said was quite concerning when he talked about like how his team are basically like just second to everything the lack of intensity the communication and it sounded like Igor Tudor was already making not excuses but setting out context for if this doesn't go as well as people think it should he's like this job is a lot harder than it looks in the outside but I think I think he's shocked by how difficult the job is actually I think he's shocked I think when Thomas Frank got there it was like actually maybe this club is an injury crisis away from something really bad because collective confidence is low you look at Spurs now collective confidence is clearly low the fitness isn't necessarily there the continuity of players isn't there the senior players aren't necessarily having the influence he'd like them to have and he sounded so dejected I was like this guy could really plummet but then again as you know as Carl was saying in the chat the saving grace is that West Ham are struggling even more and that might be what saves Spurs actually I mean thank goodness this isn't Serie B where you've got all those playoffs and like an extra spot like thank goodness it's not Serie B but yeah

40:50Ryan Hunn: Can you imagine coming off the coming off the pitch having just lost the way it filled them and be like guys you know what though at least at least they haven't got to go at Frozanoni next week yeah well listen Frozanoni in current form

41:04Musa Okwonga: can I say this as well they've got to go at Frozanoni and get something can I say this on Fulham though just with Fulham Marcus justice for Marco Silva justice for Harry Wilson who is having a Semenya level season scoring one in three in all competitions he's been brilliant and Fulham just won't get the props they deserve this year because so much else is happening in the Premier League but each time I check in and watch them for an extended period they're doing really impressive stuff and Iwobi with a great goal to clinch the game he had a fine AFCON as well so yeah like I think just some great seasons going slightly under the radar at Fulham

41:38Ryan Hunn: Yeah I agree Anything else in the Premier League you want to shout out?

41:42Musa Okwonga: I mean suppose we have to talk about Burnley-Brentford Oh yeah let's talk about

41:47Ryan Hunn: Burnley-Brentford Game of the Weekend

41:48Musa Okwonga: Oh just you know what it is that thing about the old cliche about when it's not going in your way it's not going your way and Burnley coming back from three goals down absolutely heroic and then getting snatched away by Brentford at the very end. Just absolutely gutting. I mean, it's an instant DVD, this match, because it's a classic, but I doubt Bernie fans will be re-watching it. Yeah, yeah, we're going old school. Wow. Dam's guard. Dam's guard topping and tailing this game. Goal at either end. A very late winner and he was fantastic the entire match too. So yeah, a minor classic. Minor classic.

42:20Ryan Hunn: We mentioned Liverpool beating West Ham 5-2. Nice tidy win for Liverpool. Very much so. And before we go back to Liverpool because I want to mention something that Arna Schlapp said. Everton, late win over Newcastle, away. Look at those toffees, eh?

42:35Musa Okwonga: Finalists for big mood of the year, the save from Pickford and then he yells the Rafa Nadal. I loved this so much. You know, I've got to say, I loved it because it was so gladiatorial and it's such an amazing, it's an amazing save. It was an amazing save. It was, it was. That was, you know, that was, we talk about the force of a piano going downhill. That was the way that thing was travelling, honestly.

42:54Ryan Hunn: And it would have been one of the greatest last minute goals I've ever seen, I think, as well. Fancy banger. Yeah. Great win for Everton, though.

43:01Musa Okwonga: Great win.

43:02Ryan Hunn: Absolutely incredible. I want to go back to Arna Schlott because Arna Schlott said something. This is taken from a piece by James Pearce in The Athletic, who said, Arna Schlott says that Premier League matches are, quote, no longer a joy to watch with many teams depending on set pieces. He described it as the new reality of top-flight football with increasingly stop-start due to a greater focus on dead ball situations. He said, quote, first of all, you have to accept it. I think it's mainly here in the Premier League. It's the new reality. If I watch other leagues, I don't think there's so much emphasis on set pieces.

43:35Ryan Hunn: If I watch an Eri Divisi game, I see goals being disallowed and fouls on keepers being given, and I'm like, wow, that's a big difference. Here, you can almost hit a goalkeeper in his face, and the referee still says, just go on. Do I like it? My football heart doesn't like it. If you ask me, thinking about football, I think about the Barcelona team from 10 to 15 years ago. every Sunday evening you were hoping they would play. Now, most of the games I see in the Premier League are not for me a joy to watch, but it's also interesting because it's so competitive and that is what makes this league great because there is so much competitiveness.

44:12Ryan Hunn: Everyone can win against everyone, but just as someone who loves to watch football without being interested in who is winning or losing just to be enjoyed, I think there's a big difference between now and three or four years ago in the Premier League. Not because of the set pieces, but because the teams have become much stronger. And this is something that we wanted to touch on before we then pivot to the IFAB stuff. Do you think it's going to change or do you think this IFAB stuff will push it to change? We'll go through some of the IFAB stuff in a minute.

44:38Musa Okwonga: I think a selection of things, look, mid-90s Serie A, I've talked about this and it's boring, so I apologise, I won't mention it hopefully too often again. If you look at mid-90s Serie A, you had AC Milan winning Serie A, well, 93-94, with 36 goals in 34 matches and 15 conceded. Then you had, I think Juventus or Milan winning again. You had like basically teams with the next couple of teams that won, I think Juventus and Milan, they win with an average of like a goal and a half a game and conceding like less than a goal a game or close to a goal a game, right? What do you get in the late 90s in Serie A?

45:14Musa Okwonga: You get Shevchenko, I'm sorry, coming eventually. So in the late 90s scenario, you get Ronaldo and Del Piero going head to head and just blowing everyone away. Early 2000s, you have Crespo, you have all those other incredible strikers. I say all that to say, I think you're going to have a couple of things happening. I think the rule changes will help. But I also think that you're having a generation of attackers who are growing up learning how to be explosive in these situations with incredible defenders. Because this isn't the first time that a league has had incredible defences and coaching from pretty much top to bottom.

45:47Musa Okwonga: it's not the first time we're seeing and I mentioned the Arsenal-Chelsea game because if you look at that game there is room for like those teams to eat there's room for those players to eat but the difference is there's a failure in execution against complex defences because I think that strikers are still working out the next level they have to go to and like Pep is always ahead of the curve right there's a reason we said it there's a reason he bought Rayan Cherky there's a reason he bought Semenyo these players are incredible at minute plating the ball in tight spaces. They're brilliant finishers.

46:22Musa Okwonga: They can shoot from distance so you can't stand off them. They can get you with either foot. That is the new, what's happening now is the Premier League is having a reset period. So a lot of people are panicking about set pieces but actually I think it's going to take off again. I think it's going to take off again because like number nines have been asked to do so many jobs that they're like oh god we're tired of this we've got to press we've got to this but you're going to end up with like another generation of like mini Benzimas because these number nines, they're just not, God bless them, I'm not trying to knock them.

46:50Musa Okwonga: They've got so much on their plate but they don't have, that they're not maverick enough and I think this is going to like, we've seen it with football time and again, it's going to, this oppressive defensive system is going to create like mavericks that will come and just break the code again. I'm fully confident in that but we can also pivot to the rule changes but before we do that, what do you think about the general run of things?

47:15Ryan Hunn: I mean we I think I feel like we've had this conversation quite a few times in the last couple of years and we've seen the Premier League going this way for a while and I think we've we did an episode about the grind of the Premier League a while ago anyway but yeah it's just it's just going to be there until it's not it's not going to last forever and it's just it's a symptom of flooding the league with money and players and talent that essentially just cancels each other out to a certain degree. There is only, you can only play, like you can't play like 2020, like 2019 or 2018, 19, 20 Liverpool in this Premier League.

47:59Ryan Hunn: You can't do it. You can't do it unless you're playing another side who wants to play that. And there aren't the sides to do that. I think if, and this is where I get a little bit defensive of the Arsenal point of view. And we did that episode about them, you know, whether they're actually as boring as people make out or whether it's just more of the circumstances that are in front of them. Because, you know, I didn't think they were boring against Spurs. I don't think they've been boring in some of the cup competitions. I don't think they've been boring in the Champions League. It's just more of a...

48:29Ryan Hunn: And I didn't think they were boring in the first half yesterday. I think they were a little bit less... They were a little bit less exciting in the second half, especially the final half hour. But it's going to take someone... I think, look, I think I've repeated this as well and I said it when I was on, not the last time, at the time before when I was on Arseblog with Andrew. I think I said the thing that I, the next evolution that I would like to see from an Arsenal point of view is for them to circulate the ball more, quicker. So...

49:02Musa Okwonga: That's why Kai Havertz is the future of the flight. Fours will all look like that.

49:06Ryan Hunn: But get the throw-ins, get quick throws, quick corners. Actually, yeah, Arsenal are good at set pieces but I think that it's so chaotic in the box now that I think people are exploiting, every team is exploiting that chaos it's just going to take a team or two to start bypassing that chaos and be like look we can still exploit set pieces but we're not going to wait for everyone to get set we're actually just going to put the ball down and play, let's play quick corners and take Because I think that element of... Defenses are so used now to getting set and are so well drilled and the Premier League is so physical.

49:50Ryan Hunn: Everyone is a unit. Everyone is an absolute unit. If you can take advantage of the slightest destabilisation within a defensive line, I think you're going to start getting more joy.

50:04Musa Okwonga: We see the future already. Look, Ekotike, Isak, they're the future. They're already eating. This is the thing. People are talking as if football is not evolving. It is. All of that I agree with. And also, the technical level you need to break down, there's no passengers, there's no easy wins anymore. The technical level you need to break down those complex defences, it's somewhat like an Eka Tika, you fire the ball into feet and it sticks. Or Volta Marder with the assist that wasn't in the Champions League, it's that, you're hammering the ball into feet. And there are gaps. There are gaps. I'm seeing so many.

50:36Musa Okwonga: I'm like, there is food on the table for so many elite strikers. Isak probably cannot wait to get back from injury because he's probably spotted it as well. He's like, actually, if I drop into these pockets and find opportunities, we're going to absolutely roast teams. And like I said, Pep has added the curve because he's understood that it's going to be second balls and it's going to be incredible technique in the final third. So with great shot stoppers, and I don't even think it's necessarily going to be a long ball culture. I think that's just a temporary phase of adjustment. We're going to go back to a midfield, for example, the Nico O 'Reilly thing.

51:10Musa Okwonga: that guy is like the future of the league. Actually, I really think you're going to have games where, and I talked about sort of total football before the other day, but like you have left backs that invert. You're going to have, I think games where you have a player like that that starts at left back and finishes at left midfield, plays left center. And they just swapping all the time, all the time. And I think you're going to get more fluidity. You're going to get more fluidity. I just look again, the Arsenal win over Leeds at Ellen Road for me is the prototype for the future where you just wear a team down.

51:46Musa Okwonga: You might get them with a set piece however or you might score a goal from distance then they chase it and then you start introducing that variety. Like you saw it in Serie A. How many times, we were watching Serie A in the mid-90s and it was this thing about for this game to be exciting the only way the game was exciting was if the away team took the lead because then the home team would absolutely have to chase them and hunt them down, right? And you're seeing the same with these games now in the Premier League. And again, it's all temporary and it feels quite dreary at the moment because of course the Premier League has done this thing where it's allowed the league to be completely juiced by money.

52:21Musa Okwonga: It didn't impose fit and proper control tests. So now the league has been optimized in terms of the money that's gone into it. And now they're looking around going slightly panicking. And maybe the reason why this hasn't gotten made among pundits is because fundamentally, don't buy the hand that feeds. You can't be calling out the quality of the league consistently because then you're not going to get that many bookings. I think that's also part of it. And that's also part of it.

52:46Ryan Hunn: Yeah, I mean, look, we've talked about the quality in the league, but you look at Sunderland who have been newly promoted this season. Yeah. I just picked out a few players. Gertroida came from Leipzig on loan. Nonny Michele came from PSG. PSG. Ray Nildo came from Atleti. and Brian Brobby's come from Ajax.

53:06Musa Okwonga: That is unthinkable. That's the kind of recruitment that a Champions League team would be happy with.

53:11Ryan Hunn: Yeah, when the team who is newly promoted can afford to spend that amount of money and also pay that amount of wages, you just get this block. And I genuinely think that in terms of the title race, I don't know if parts of punditry are totally unaware of it or whether they just know that winding people up generates interactions. I'm not going to get into eras and who would beat who, but to discount the quality of the top two sides in the Premier League this season based on the level of the challenges consistently week in week out throughout the entire season it's just an absolute slogfest. You're not going to get this fight to Bundesliga where A it's a different style of football and B there are enough variables in there to create that level of jeopardy.

53:55Ryan Hunn: You're not even going to get the Bundesliga which I still think in terms of a watch it's way more fun but you can't have both. and this is what people want it for.

54:03Musa Okwonga: Don't forget the 5-4 though, the City 5-4, the Fulham game. I think that's also part of the future of this. Yeah, but you will get the odd anomaly

54:10Ryan Hunn: where things just kick off. Go wild, yeah.

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55:16Ryan Hunn: So iFab met up this weekend in Carniff for their 140th AGM to approve a package of new rule changes apparently designed to enhance match tempo and reduce time wasting so quickly we've got throw-ins and goal kicks they've extended the law that referees now do for keepers you know when they hold up the however long you've got was it 8 seconds for keepers so I'm reading this from the from the inside FIFA website which has got a breakdown of it all if the referee considers that a throw-in or goal kick has taken too long or is being deliberately delayed a 5 second visual countdown will be initiated if the ball is not in play at the end of the countdown, the throwing will be awarded to the opposite team.

56:01Ryan Hunn: A delayed goal kick will result in a corner to the opposing team. Time-limited substitutions. To further streamline match flow, substituted players must leave the field of play within 10 seconds of the substitution board being displayed or where no board is used upon the referee's signal. Should the player fail to leave within this time, they must still exit the field. However, the substitute will not be permitted to enter until the first stoppage after one minute of play has elapsed. Off-field treatment and assessment where a player receives on-field assessment for an injury or their injury causes play to be stopped, the player will be required to leave the field of play and remain off for one minute once play running clock has restarted.

56:51Ryan Hunn: VAR stuff. So, with regard to VAR system protocol, the AGM approved three adjustments where there is clear evidence the VAR will now be permitted to check and review. Red cards arising from a clearly incorrect second yellow card. I love that. Staken identity. I love that. Where the permanent... For the same thing. Competitions may also allow VARs to review a clearly incorrectly awarded corner kick provided that the review can be completed immediately and without delaying the restart. and there are also some trials to be conducted to further assess goalkeeper tactical injury delays and to propose options to deter this behaviour there's a couple of other trial things but let's go through these what do we think should we go through them one by one

57:41Musa Okwonga: I like them

57:43Ryan Hunn: throw-ins and goal kicks yeah

57:46Musa Okwonga: I like that I like that delayed goal kick results and a corner kick to the opposing team great

57:51Ryan Hunn: excellent five seconds visual countdown So good, so good. I think now with the multi-ball system, there's no reason for delays in throw-ins unless you are doing what a lot of teams in the Premier League do with long throwers.

58:05Musa Okwonga: I love it. Clear lines of accountability. So, so good. Off-field treatment and assessment. Yeah, I like that, actually. I do like that. This is the one I'm not sure about the minute

58:20Ryan Hunn: because... Maybe more time needed or... I know that a lot of this is to stop people from going down. But there are some times where players do genuinely need treatment. And it does feel a little bit like you're punishing players who genuinely need treatment. Say, for example, if someone gets hit. Cramp. If someone gets an injury on a corner, and then they have to have treatment, but they're a centre-back, and then they go off. they have to then go off for a minute and then they're taken out of the action for the defending corner that's the team being punished there so I mean it's the same with the 30 seconds right

59:01Musa Okwonga: I disagree because I think at the end of the day if you have to go for treatment you have to go for treatment and if it's serious enough to go for treatment then you shouldn't be in a crowded area like you're going to jeopardise yourself again

59:14Ryan Hunn: it also happens when you have on-field assessment for an injury

59:22Musa Okwonga: it's an injury it's an injury it's bigger than football I think and that's fine yeah I think that's fine actually I think it's it's bigger than football yeah

59:30Ryan Hunn: I mean that's the only one where I'm a bit like look I think 30 seconds is fine as it is I'm not entirely sure you need to extend that to a minute but that's just me

59:37Musa Okwonga: yeah I think I think an injury is an injury man like there's so much talk about player welfare that if we don't get on top of this stuff then

59:46Ryan Hunn: yeah but that's not the aim of that that's not that's not a player welfare issue that's a time wasting issue so it's saying look if you are actually injured and you need treatment so if anything to your point to player welfare i think it's going to deter people potentially getting treatment for stuff that they might actually need to get treatment for because they they think oh i can't go off yet because we have a corner and i'm gonna be off the pitch for a minute if you're time wasting you're like perfect that's like that's good the rule as it is incentivizes 30 seconds incentivizes time wasting if you're genuinely injured you're gonna are you worried about the time you're off you're

1:00:25Musa Okwonga: injured i think you will be because there was a there was a thing a couple of weeks ago actually

1:00:28Ryan Hunn: when gabriel went down in the wolves game for arsenal and i saw declan rice kind of have a bit of a moan when the physio came on because he knew that gabriel would have to go off and i think you're seeing that creep in a little bit i just think and a minute is a long time dude That's a long time. It is a long time.

1:00:43Musa Okwonga: It's a long time. It's a long time. I like it. Yeah, I'm not sure about that one, to be honest. I wonder what data they've based this on. I wonder if they've based it on data or if it's like vibes-based. Have they looked at it and been like, oh, in X amount of games, we've seen this is this? Because I'm super interested to understand where the minute has come from. Because I'm coming up from a vibes-based perspective. I don't watch 100 games of football a week. So I wonder how they've aggregated this. Really?

1:01:12Ryan Hunn: last week you say you don't always watch atalanta now you're telling me you don't watch 100 games and i don't i don't not physically possible but yeah um i mean it's it's look it's i'm just saying if you you've got that grind set it's physically possible i'm not i'm not i just i think no one's

1:01:26Musa Okwonga: ever no one's ever seen my cake consumption because maybe i'm grinding cakes i remember grinding my molars over cakes yeah exactly all right okay time limited substitutions love that fine um yeah var for the second yellow yes i like that red cards arise from a clearly incorrect second yellow card i i really like that the jeopardy of the second yellow you need to be able to reassess that mistaken identity i mean we we might laugh but that is a thing that happens that happens especially in the crowds yeah um you know the ref just like flashing cars like get away from me and yes uh var is maybe able to review a collect a clearly incorrectly awarded corner kick that feels long what next?

1:02:08Musa Okwonga: that feels like it could lengthen games doesn't it?

1:02:10Ryan Hunn: I do like the sense of providing that it can that the review can be completely completed immediately without delaying the restart it doesn't feel like it happens enough to be is this a case of they balance it, they balance themselves out maybe

1:02:27Musa Okwonga: maybe it's the kind of rule they won't be that much active

1:02:32Ryan Hunn: yeah we'll see are they going to be checking every single corner VARs are like man you have to pay me more money if I'm going to be I'm going to be doing that stuff

1:02:45Musa Okwonga: scary thing is you know what I'm worried about you know what I'm worried about this is this is proving the way for like AI assistant referees where it's like there's too much to regulate actually look the AI will do it super fast I feel like this is it I feel like it's almost like oh everyone's complaining well actually now the referees have got like a smartwatch and the VAR decisions are all straight to the watch and everyone can have it on their phones at once. Everyone can see what the ref's seeing. I kind of feel like we're edging there.

1:03:13Ryan Hunn: The new PGMOL head of referees, Mike Ailey.

1:03:16Musa Okwonga: You know how...

1:03:23Musa Okwonga: But do you know how AI is? You see the chatbots arriving in places you don't even want them, you never ask for them. if you were open ai and you were obsessed with the idea of like forcing your like chatbots everywhere you would absolutely be looking at football and the var system you would you'd be like why is it not like automated you know we're going to have this conversation at some point in future this feels like this is where it's leading with these rules and everything it feels i have a human error well how about a thing that doesn't make any mistakes ever i just does not can you not see that depressing how depressing it makes sense doesn't I don't want it, but I can see it.

1:04:04Musa Okwonga: It's depressing. Yeah, it is. It is depressing.

1:04:08Ryan Hunn: There's some other stuff in there as well where, for example, the Canadian Premier League are about to get the Arsene Wenger's offside law. They're going to get that trialled in the league. Oh, the clear one. Canadian Premier League being like, guys, why do I get the trial? I'm going to relocate to Canada for the first month of that just to see how it's going. I'm going to do a deep dive. hate watching are you going to send me on location go and just like be like one of those vultures oh terrible oh I think oh no no I think looking at the pictures I think Vancouver's probably I'll go to Vancouver listen

1:04:44Musa Okwonga: I'll take any excuse to go to Vancouver what a city oh my god

1:04:46Ryan Hunn: yeah I think I think dude I think we need to go and really just see how the the offside things going on over there alright well we'll look into that that's it see you there

1:05:02Ryan Hunn: so do you think that this is going to reduce tempo disruption

1:05:09Musa Okwonga: um not in the short term because everyone's going to be getting used to the rules but i think in the long term it might help they're going to come in for the world cup and then

1:05:16Ryan Hunn: looks like they'll be rolled out from next season everywhere else i think uh i think throw-ins and goal kicks and stuff like that is going to be a good thing and the substitutions yeah the substitutions as well because they have they introduced that thing where you know you have to leave the field at the nearest point and I think that's been a good thing you just have to get to that nearest point within 10 seconds like a little fun game before you get off we'd love to see it alright then man should we leave it there for today let's do it let's leave it there alright well don't forget if you want to sign up if you're on the free feed and you want to sign up take advantage of our Stadio Spring Patreon push.

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1:06:56Musa Okwonga: Carrick's at the wheel oh ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Manchester United are going to win the World Cup Sergio's going to win the Ballon d 'Or it's happening

1:07:11Ryan Hunn: the World Cup Ballon d 'Or for Manchester United

1:07:13Musa Okwonga: listen for Manchester United

1:07:16Ryan Hunn: Michael Carrick's going to be the first Englishman to lift the World Cup trophy as a coach since Sir Alph Ramsey Kobe Manu, the first human to achieve Interstellar travel. It's coming. It's coming home. Speaking of Interstellar travel, I feel like that bit where I've stepped out of the normal gravitational pull for the Premier League season, and it's just aged me years in six and a half months. Honestly, I feel like this Premier League season has spiritually been four or five years, and it's only six and a half months.

1:07:46Musa Okwonga: It's incredible. It's definitely been one where the league has fundamentally changed from one summer to the next in ways that I think people are still processing. Definitely. The league that Liverpool won is not the league they're defending. That's the other thing. No, not at all. It's just not. Not at all.

1:08:09Ryan Hunn: It's like if Godfather 2 came back and it was basically in space. Oh, hang on a minute.

1:08:16Musa Okwonga: this is what i i would watch that i mean i would as well i would absolutely watch that oh my god yeah it's wild it's like it's like um coming back to like the apartment you've lived in for several years and all the locks have been changed and you're like okay this is weird i can't get into the main building and then like a bunch of people walk out and you've never seen them before it's like who are these people it is it's a real yeah it's like in dark oh wait is that spoiler yes it's the all right

1:09:03Ryan Hunn: everyone uh take care of yourselves be well much love and we will be back with you on thursday see you then

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