Spiritually Offside in the Manchester Derby

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2:05hello and welcome back to the stadia podcast i'm mr conga i'm ryan hun ryan how you doing i'm doing all right thanks man i imagine a bit better than you are i'm all right i'm all right ah do you know what weirdly enough this manchester knighted defeat which we'll get to in a moment isn't the wildest surprise to me, actually. Yeah, fair. Just given the structure of the team, how I was expected to perform. There's been a drift, but we're doing this slightly ahead of the admin, but I just want to say up top, the thing that's always concerning me at Manchester United is this idea that we should be a counter-attacking team.

2:40When Eric Ten Hag said we were going to be the world's best transition team, I felt a bit anxious about that because I thought, I don't like telegraphing what a team's tactical approach should be months in advance to the opposition. Because if the opposition knows, oh, they just like to counter, well, we'll do what they did to Simeone Zatleti and we'll give them the ball and see how they handle it. And actually, by default, Manchester United were forced to have the ball and they didn't really like it. Save that because that is a thread that we would like to explore. Because I did think that was a...

3:15The sending off in the game in the derby was very, very seismic for multiple reasons. The turning point. Yes. Anyway, we hope everyone's staying safe and well wherever you are. Quick bit of admin. We're actually recording this on Sunday night so we might have to skip a couple of results. We're going to stay pretty Premier League focused today because we just want to really talk about the derby, the Manchester derby and we'll shout out the other results. We're going to shout out someone else first though before the derby. And we'll also quickly talk about another big result which was in the title race if you want to call it that already.

3:44Just Arsenal's win away at Sunderland because it felt like a game well it's two away games for Arsenal now that they've won maximum points that they dropped points in last season we'll shout out a couple of other results around Europe shout out to Elversberg by the way because we're not probably going to do the Bundesliga today but shout out to Elversberg they lost 2-1 in the end to Bayern but they got a goal back Krattenmacher again with another another guy and he didn't he didn't celebrate because it was against his former club Krattenmacher with the Regenmacher the Rainmaker unbelievable unbelievable obviously hammered it good win for Dortmund as well quick question I wonder how many alums buy and have floating around they're everywhere exactly because so many people came through the youth system that's the thing the quality is ridiculous yeah other bits of admin we're going to do another show this week on Patreon if you are listening to us on the free feed and you'd like to sign up go to patreon.com forward slash stadio you can sign up as a podcast member where you get every single episode ad free info or you can sign up as a stadio social club member where you get all the podcasts plus access to the stadio social club discord and more perks and i think that is all the admin so let's get into it after this let's do it this is nick and jack from the best one yet and we are excited to tell you about walmart business staying ahead of business trends means moving fast and adapting quickly walmart business helps you simplify operations so you can focus on building the next big thing find exactly what your organization needs with their ever-expanding business assortment and everyday low prices keep Keep your momentum going fast with reliable shipping and fulfillment.

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5:42last insulation 24 more cartons or pails of joint compound tape and bead or when you spend 200 or more on 3m painting and job site essentials members get more at lowe's valid through 925 while supplies last selection varies by location program subject to terms and conditions clos.com slash terms for details subject to change all right man there is actually only one place to begin this week before the derby yes that's true we're going to begin with another shout out to Hull City who have had an unbelievable start to the season they're currently third four points behind Arsenal and Manchester City who are the only two sides left in the league with maximum points two wins two draws undefeated they considered their first two goals of the season on Saturday against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge it's important to shout them out because I think that it was hard to gauge and I think Ipswich deserve a shout as well even though yes you know they've lost those two games well they lost to Manchester United and they lost to Liverpool but they really went at Manchester United in that first half and we talked about that at the time and the way that those two sides have played since they've come up kind of puts Coventry's struggles into an even snarker light really but yeah just shout out to Hull because they are Thomas Frank said something quite interesting he was on match of the day and he said look the thing that Hull have done is they've realised that you obviously have to be quite good defensively when you come up but they don't just do that you have to kind of be good everywhere now and And they also do have an attacking threat as well, while they're not the highest goal scorers in the league.

7:13They're far from being the lowest. So yes, what have you thought of Hull? Because obviously Manchester United lost them on the first day. Yeah, I think what I love about them is they just do so many things well, right? You mentioned the strong defence, you mentioned the set pieces. They're very good in transition. And not just that, they're really efficient in transition. They make the best of their counters. This is a team that they came up to the Premier League knowing they wouldn't be ball dominant. They wouldn't be ball dominant. And so weirdly, they remind me of, this bit of a niche reference, they remind me of like second season Union Berlin in the Bundesliga.

7:49You know, when Union basically came up, the first they did was basically like strong set pieces and incredible defence. And then we'll just, we'll go with that. Win what we can away, get some draws away, but win the games at home. Second season Union, they added the counter. And this feels like Hull. Hull feel like a hybrid. They feel like they're always Fisher, which is, you know, the best comment I can give in terms of what they're doing there. And they're fantastic to watch Hull. And I just, I love them because they've immediately made the league, like they've raised the bar in the league. People now looking at Hull going, oh, that was three points we thought we could get home all the way.

8:26And now it's like, no, no, we're in trouble there. Like a point at Hull is a good result now, right? Whereas mentally, well, put it this way, let me backtrack for Hull listeners, Hull fans. there are a lot of Premier League clubs that might have looked at Hull being okay well that's that's four to six points that's a very different calculation yeah not anymore no not anymore not at all then shout out to the 50 plus Derna crew in the States the Bundesliga show they posted the meme actually incredible name by the way with the for the Bayern Elversburg game or the Elversburg Bayern game you know that that meme where it's like okay I'm a fight like it's the boxer thing and they put the Bayern badge and they put okay I'm going to fight the newly promoted team damn the newly promoted team's got hands got hands that's kind of what it's like in the Premier League I've got hands bad I've got hands

9:28yeah that is an incredible meme yeah so good and I mean should we talk about that game just while we're here before we move on to the Manchester derby because we're still kind of Chelsea in a nutshell really you talked about the defence yeah like Balumi's great goal for the set for the equaliser well actually it's classic Chelsea isn't it look classic Chelsea fast start through Morgan Rodgers yeah Morgan Rodgers banger it's like Chelsea bingo this year isn't it Morgan Rodgers early banger check early opener check and then defensive frailty check and then some kind of resilience resurgence check that's basically the pattern of chelsea it was a pattern in the last well not quite in the last game but you know they had the resurgence they had the frailty against leads but particularly in the league you said this they're going to ship goals you have a chance against them even when chabby lancor knows he's trying something out i'm not sure he has the best configuration of players that he wants we've talked about the youth of this side, I thought weirdly, you know the sad thing for them, I thought Chalaba left a season too early.

10:35For him, for his own arc, don't get me wrong, he had a lot of football this season, yeah. For his arc, he had to go to Como and frankly would not begrudge the guy and move to Como. He's playing Champions League in Como. It's a sign of how good he is. Like we said on the last show, man, Como for Omo. Brilliant footballer. This is what I've always said, whenever there's a managerial change at a club or even a board change, huge talent, just like slips out the door and you look at how that happened like two years later to me like how the hell that guy moved there and you look at what happened at board level or managerial level okay well some wasn't monitored when a player when a coach turns up and they're like i could have done with that guy like again i iraio a great coach i'm not entirely convinced that curtis jones goes if iraio has more time to pitch to him just because i think he's such a great player and i think he brings a lot or we're bringing up Liverpool as a team.

11:26Yeah but the chalibre loss was big and it looks bigger with each passing week actually. Jeremy Lonzo did say something after the game where he was saying look it's going to take months and we'll be better and I think we said that on the show last week didn't we after the Arsenal game? Even this game yeah to come out against Hull like this to put Hull on the back foot like that and make them really depress them like they did that was an impressive start from Chelsea against a very good Hull side and then even the goal the opening goal they conceded in particular that was a thing they'll fix they will fix a problem like that Chelsea will not be conceding that goal come March so yeah I think all positive for both teams to be honest just while we're here fourth in the table currently Brighton-Hove Albion after a 5-0 win against Coventry can we shout out Lewis Dunk's goal oh my goodness the way that moved that was way downtown who when is the last time you saw a strike like that move like that there's a few but I'm thinking of like from a centre back yeah this is the thing from a centre back Brighton hosts Arsenal next week so that's a big game on before the men's international break you guys are on a funky start haven't you Arsenal I know we'll talk about Arsenal after the derby but where are we on the are we worried about commentary yet I'm a bit worried I'm officially a bit worried because do you know what it is they don't know how to lock down like hull that's not their go-to and then you know it's which doing their like hand-to-hand combat it's which can do hand-to-hand combat actually quite well as it turns out they did it this is the thing it was got hands it was different fighting styles right so basically like hull have got it's which got the drunken master that's for sure right they've got the drunken master and they've got the um hull have got the jab they've got that they've got the heavyweight they've got the Holyfield, Lennox Lewis.

13:20Right now, Coventry, they're moving with a bit of a glass draw, to be honest. They're exposing the chin. Yeah, it's interesting because we praise their performances against Arsenal and Manchester City, the two strongest opposition they've played this season. And, you know, they lost at home to Hull, which was a bad, that was a bad one, that, because you're playing another rival that got promoted. But losing five, by five at home to Brighton. There's caveats here. So the red card didn't help things. That's when things begin to shift. They actually held out. Yeah, it was 2-0 at that point. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

13:52The opening goal, you know, they lost the goal early but they held out. I mean, the second goal goes in at like 50 minutes. So they'd held out relatively well. Don't underestimate how demoralising those previous defeats were as well. Yeah. They need a goal badly. They do, they do. Good side commentary. Do you know what it is as well? I mean, look, Villa are second bottom. That's a reflection of how much more football there is the play so a little bit concerned just because Coventry haven't scored but we know there's a very good side there just got off to a bad hop we'll see yeah just regroup regroup take a deep breath after this speaking of regrouping and taking a deep breath let's go to the Manchester Derby yes on Coventry before I go before we go further looking at these first four games how many points would they have expected to have not not maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe four an absolute outside i think they would have expected two i think they would have hoped for four right it's subpar exactly it's subpar but it's not wildly subpar just take it and move on uh but yes to the derby to the derby matches started nil manchester city one old trafford in the first manchester derby of the season in the premier league

15:13wow do you know what I'm going to let you take the lead here because I thought this was a really odd game actually but I'm intrigued to see what you thought about it oh well first of all City Manchester City deserved winners yeah I agree a strange game not much was created at all xg 0.95 to man united 0.99 for city two outstanding performances in midfield on either end of the pitch one from kobe manu one from elliot anderson both are brilliant a bizarre red card that turned the game but not as you'd expect because until the red card uh for phil foden matches knighted were really good. And then once City went down to 10 players, they didn't know what to do with themselves.

16:08Not so good. Yeah, didn't know what to do with themselves. And kept running down the same old strange alleys, like kept going through Marcus Rash on the left wing. And just because he was running at the defence, it doesn't mean that was the best way to make the best out of him. I mean, Mbumo was right there on the right flank and was barely being used for a lot of it. And actually, weirdly enough, Mbumo, I prefer in transition to Rashford as a playmaker because Rashford is a dribbler primarily. And not that he can't be a playmaker, but Mbumo, I think, is a more natural playmaker from the right.

16:43And they had this option, just didn't use it. The problem, of course, Manchester United had is that when City went down to 10 players, it took away the counter. It took away the counter. So then what's your tool then? if you haven't got if you haven't got Seshko in the box if you're going to be crossing the ball being on Seshko much earlier they didn't do that I'm surprised Seshko didn't come on at half time yeah but also then this is what happened against Hull you had a problem where you don't have runners from midfield Kobi Mania was great brilliant in possession doing great he was great at the offloads but who was the dribbler running off him in central areas and it comes back to and I've talked about this many times so many times it will bore people but actually put someone like Rashford through the middle now and again, be tactically flexible, put someone out wide and have Rashford run at the centre-backs, have someone dribbling them at centre-lows because he was winning free kicks there now and again.

17:35He was winning stuff. He was getting options, destabilising them. But the problem that City, that United had was, well, City knew they were always going to switch out wide to a winger and they just looked short of ideas. Yeah, I think with the extra man, I was thinking about that. hindsight's 20-20 but you've seen Dogu play as a winger for Manchester United right and I actually thought that maybe like you said you could move Rashford in a little bit centrally to push him to have almost like him and him and Finanx working in the same way that Rodgers and Palmer work at Chelsea and just allow Dogu to kind of go a little bit more because it just felt like Manchester United like you said they just kept doing the same thing against a different set up at that point and the spaces weren't really there from Manchester City's point of view they were vastly superior after the red card and I think they deserved to win the game yes and the way they won it is another story and we'll talk about that in a little in a bit but the way that they responded after the red card I mean first of all it did points it did remind me of like Mareska's Chelsea they're like okay they're down to 10 again and he actually was asked about it afterwards I think they asked him about him the last time he was at Old Trafford.

18:55It was that wild game last season, do you remember? In the rain. Oh, the rain. Yeah. Oh my God, one of my favourite games to watch online. Oh my God. And he was just like, yeah, we'll just practice next time for 10, so it'll be fine. What do you think about the red card, actually? Because I know this is going to be a thing that you're going to talk about just in terms of decisions. And I was like, oh my God, the injustice, poor Phil Foden. Because in real time I saw it and I was like, you know, and I saw it in real time, I was like, what the hell? it's like Bruno has just milked something there or created something um because Bruno does this kick on he does this kick and I'm like this is what the hell is this so then I see Foden getting the card I'm like this is wild um I see the replay and I can see why Foden has been sent off but I thought they could both have got reds for that actually I think the red for financial is quite harsh there I think then again I thought I thought I thought red was harsh for Foden I think I think it's absolutely wild that Bruno doesn't get booked.

19:52I think that's the case. I mean, yeah, yeah. I think if it had been a yellow for Bruno, and a red for Foden, I think that would have been fine. Argue the toss, yeah, but to have nothing. Because I think that the way that... He instigated it. He really instigated it. Yeah, he did. And I know that it's probably not just, but in terms of the thing that you're actually punishing the players for, I think Foden's is worse than Financiers. He's lucky to make contact, like a better contact. Like proper contact, yeah. Because like lashing out with the studs like that is, I think he's a little worse than, you know, what Bruno did.

20:31But still, and also Mureska seemed to be fine with it. He said that he thought Bruno Fernandes should have been sent off as well. But he was fine with the Foden red. Always be fine once you've won there, isn't it? True. He was also totally fine with the goal. I was confused by the goal. I think I just I've just accepted I don't understand offsides anymore I think this is a really bad one I thought it was a bad decision because Enzo Fernandes is interfering with play he's trying to head the ball and that's why Martinez makes the run to mark him and Haaland has made to credit him has made a fantastic run through the outside around the outside horrible marking by the way I mean this is again this horrible marking like how it's almost as bad as the time poor Trent left Vinicius unsupervised at the far post in the Champions League final when Valverde just hits a cross goal and Trent is like, oh, and then looks over his shoulder and goes, oh, there's Vinicius.

21:23It was almost as catastrophic as that. Vinicius had a wild one the other day. He gave the ball away for the... When does he not have a wild one? For the Rio game. That man's just having all the feelings. He's having all the feelings.

21:37Yes, I just... Confusing to me. That looked offside to me because Enzo was interfering. I don't care what anyone else says that's how I feel no one's going to make me feel better about that it doesn't matter how you feel I think you're completely correct I don't think there is it's odd I think it's not I think it's worse than not I think it's it's one of the weirdest things I've ever seen it's just so it's so bad I think sometimes with these decisions when but there are so many decisions made and so many matches in football and ever and again you get one where you just stared at it too long you know when you write an essay and like, God, the old days, back in the old days we used to write essays by hand and you've looked at it for so long and just not sure if it's good anymore and you get it back and it's like, it gets marked at 25 and it's like 15 or 14 at 25 and the teacher's like, yeah, it's just, the references are a bit stale, this and that.

22:32The teacher comes over and just goes, that ain't it man. Yeah, yeah, like that's, I feel it was like, this is one of those days, one of those decisions where you've just stared at it too long and you've overthought it and it's a bad choice. I mean, having said all of this, I want to say this quickly. I don't want to make this about this decision at all because Manchester United, with the amount they spent in the summer, with the quality they have in the squad, had enough about them to have got this job done. And I think that this is the damning thing for Carrick, right? A coach with better tactical nails wins this game long before it comes down to, in my opinion a bad offside decision.

23:13This is actually of all the results this season of the two defeats the whole defeat you can look at and be like you know what that whole team was better than advertised or better than many casual observers thought but this is genuinely like this is really really bad. This is a really bad defeat because it made Manchester's look really ordinary. Yeah and I think it's also made worse by the fact it was such a good win for Manchester City this felt like a real one of those wins that a lot of people looking at them this season us included looking at them this season us included being like Pep's gone, Rodri's gone Bernardo Silva's gone, there's a lot of leadership that has stepped away from that how will the players react will they you know how will they be under Maresca it kind of feels like a bit of an unknown and this felt like such a It's such a cliche, right?

24:10But it was a statement victory for the fact that they'd ground it out. They'd gone a goal down. Yes, the goal, sorry, a man down. And yes, the goal that they'd scored was highly, highly questionable. They could have had another though and probably should have had another at some point. And getting out of Old Trafford with a win like that, for someone like Mareska at this specific stage of the season, I think is so huge. It's huge. And I think that makes it worse for Manchester United because there was such an opportunity there to... Make a statement. Yeah, and also just to plant some seeds of doubt around Manchester City, really.

24:53The pecking order in Manchester. They were talking to Elliot Anderson at the end, they're like, oh, you're Kings of Manchester now, and he smiled. And it's like, that was the post-match you did not want. They couldn't even salvage a draw from this game. And they never really looked like doing it, right? Apart from, they had the Mbumo chance, which was an amazing save from Donnarumma. You know, I've kind of just immediately contradicted myself, but in a game like that, you're used to a side just creating chances and chances and chances like that. And it just never really felt like they were doing that.

25:27The most damning indictment of everything they did in that game, you know, when Bruno put Mbumo through in the end, the great save by Donnarumma, in the final minute of injury time. My first question was like, where has this been all game? This kind of movement, you know, punching the ball into central areas, where has this been? They had three shots on target and they only had six shots from inside the Manchester City box throughout the entire game. I mean, the chance creation, it was frightening in terms of like, not good frightening. There was a thing as well with Rashford. when Foden gets sent off, you see Semenyo coming across and doing a lot of defending.

26:10Semenyo, Nunez and Gaye as well, really defending that three in a pack. United didn't use the switches. They didn't use Rashford as a decoy. And actually they were very happy to just keep him running into that corner because they knew if you're running Rashford, I mean, at one point they ran him off the pitch, basically. I think Gaye were a really good piece of defending and that set the tone. They were like, look, he's not going to hurt us with a cross with his left foot if we shepherd him at some point the cutbacks are going to come he's going to cut back inside and this is just going to be a play we let them keep on running it was like watching one of those NBA games where you let the guy score 25 but then you beat them by 20 because you allow because yeah it's one of those let him have possessions let him have possessions because he shoots 30 % from 3 and we will just close it out, close out.

27:02It felt like, and I have to say this, this doesn't feel like a compliment. It felt like they were managing that left flank. They were managing it very well. And this is a damning indictment for, I think, uh, for Carrick. They were like, okay, we know what looks he's going to give us. There's no problem here. Um, Enzo Fernandez shut down the midfield was very combative wasn't I suppose the most elegant enterprise on the ball but this game suited him he was very combative he won a few free kicks some will criticise him for the play acting but if the free kicks are there on offer then you take them right and again if a team is a if a team is a player down at Old Trafford I'm not going to criticise him for play acting that much because you've got 80 ,000 people cheering against you and you've got still an hour of the game to go so I mean look you can argue that bruno financi induced the red card and if it's about play acting then you know sold it yeah he sold the red card very well so i just think overall city were superior as frustrating as united fantasy that it gives city great momentum maresco has started better than i thought he would start actually at city if you look at more cohesive not the most thrilling side but today was the first one that really impressed me though like really impressed me Elliot Anderson what a signing I think and I think the game state suited him quite well totally yeah because it allowed him just to minimise the amount of space that he had to cover and it also kept Enzo a little bit more disciplined positionally which with 11 they had a little bit more freedom let's say or Enzo did specifically Enzo Fernandes had more freedom to kind of maybe go wandering a little bit and he just couldn't really do that with 10.

28:53And there are so many positives that Manchester City can take away from this which will allow Maresca, I think, to progress at a faster rate than if they'd been made to kind of pay for going down to 10 which I think they should have done. And that's the thing, I think, even though the goal is genuinely... And I don't want to kind of do the whole refereeing decisions discourse stuff or debate, hashtag debate but it is quite an important thing. There were a couple this weekend as well that I think that could have been quite seismic and I think there's the ref pro, because they've changed their name now they have to be quite careful about this because last season the discourse was borderline, well borderline or actually unbearable for a lot of people.

29:37As I said, I think there were other chances there that Manchester City could have put away and I think if they'd got out of this with a less contentious goal as you said I think there would be a lot more questions for Michael Carrick than there were because everyone's talking about the red card and then the goal I mean you know I'd hit the woodwork twice as well so there'll be those who will want us to point that out and of course the Rashford free kick was a banger some say Donovan might have got there but hell of a free kick also he was standing quite far to one side of his goal when Rashford struck it so I'm not sure he necessarily would have got there in time well you know it's academic now But yeah, United, I think, just really, really disappointing.

30:21And this was a chance for them to kind of put a signature on this, but we didn't see it. And the question remains, yeah, the question remains is actually how capable are they at really going at teams with complex attacking systems with low blocks? Well, they go to Fulham next week, and that's going to be the last game before the international break. They have to win that game. And I think Fulham have, you know, they've struggled at points this season. They've not looked unbelievable so far. But if Fulham get a result there, that's a long, long international break before then hosting Spurs, which, I mean, who knows what kind of state Spurs will be in by then.

31:00I don't think Spurs know, do they? Still goalless. Yeah. Not particularly great on the weekend. But yeah, man. All right. Just quickly, it's been reported that RefPro have already been in touch. with Manchester United admitting that that goal was given an error. So, we're not long into the Premier League season and we've got some big, big VAR controversy already. We'll see how that evolves and we'll follow up on that on Thursday if there's any major developments. But yeah. It's a bad decision. The thing is he made two of them. Then again, the Foden... But it's not, I don't blame Michael Oliver for the offside.

31:37That's just... How you can think that Enzo Fernandes doesn't make an attempt to play the ball in that and how it doesn't affect Lissandro Martinez. But the game's been going that way for a while. This interfering player, I've seen so many goals over the years, I'm like, that player's clearly interfering. The Rashford one, sorry, the Bruno Financial one a couple of years ago, three years ago it was in the Derby in January. They showed that actually as a comparison. And I, we actually also said that that probably should have been, well, that should have been disallowed and that was nowhere near as bad as this one.

32:06Yeah, this is egregious. It's so wild. Hey, but look, do you think any Manchester City fan remotely cares no not and I wouldn't care go for it enjoy enjoy celebrate all your wins like you've won the league absolutely that's the official stadio position are we saying though it is spiritually offside I think it's spiritually offside I think it's spiritually offside I think it's spiritually and literally offside and literally offside yeah Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

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33:45All right, man. Elsewhere, Arsenal maintain their 100 % start to the season. I mean, I think probably the... This is the most impressive win, I think, of the season so far for Arsenal because after going to Napoli on Wednesday to then have to go away to Sunderland for an 8pm kickoff on a Saturday night. This is the most I've dreaded a game so far this season. More than the Chelsea game, actually. And I think we kind of saw why because it was... First of all, I think Arsenal started unbelievably. Genuinely unbelievably. they've looked really good at points this season and I think the cool thing is from an Arsenal point of view is that that hasn't really come at the expense of any physical stuff so Sunderland really wanted to make it a physical game, I think Arsenal matched them pretty well there was another contentious decision in this with the Sunderland penalty, I'm personally glad that it didn't affect the game in the way that the Manchester City one did, I know that there have been changes in the law and stuff this season but i don't think that fits into that criteria and i think that's a i think that's a bad call personally i don't think it was it's not a good call yeah wasn't great it's great save onto the post by david riah and then such a good save 100 that hunt was it 121 seconds bruno gimrasch with the angriest goal one of the angriest goals you will see all year off the bar as well the rage the rage and that celebration was very disrespectful very disrespectful and undeserved and i get it i understand it i see the energy behind i mean sundland fans to see him of all people score that i almost that's just the worst that is real super villain stuff and it wasn't like a tap and it was an absolute banger a scream it was it was a gimaraj special yeah there was real that wasn't just an angry goal that was a malicious goal that was a malicious goal yeah he laced up yeah he laced up wow and he yeah he was he was superb actually and then he also also got the pass to release Saka for Saka's penalty Saka won and scored do you think that was a penalty yes yes it was I mean I wish for Sunderland's sake he'd fouled him earlier and if there's anything you do differently going back you're going to foul I'm not going to catch him pull him down before he gets into the box Saka was quite smart though I thought I think he was like was becoming very aware of where the penalty box was and he was like oh let me just delay my descent Renaldo had one of those games that was just it was just a little bit too exciting he was very good at points as well I thought Tiago Dalot Tiago Dalot had one of those I was actually having a conversation with someone about this about how exciting golf is usually bad golf yes because it means you're in trouble right it's just fairways and greens man it's like a guitar band that goes out with no bass player.

36:54It's like... The White Stripes did alright. Yeah, but that's different. They're working with the master. Is that like the first time that Pep didn't play a number nine? Yeah, exactly. Like what? Yeah, but very much so. Yeah, Sunderland, very good side and a very good victory that for Arsenal. I was really impressed with Sunderland. Yeah, me too. Yeah, I think obviously my Arsenal hat on very, very delighted with the win felt like one that I mean it was literally one last season that they let go from the Sunderland side of things if they can play like that against other top six contention sides they will take a lot of points off people this season genuinely because there were moments in the game where they were really hard to handle and I think that if they could make if they can cause Arsenal that many problems in a physicality sense in a physical sense they will be able to really bully some teams this season.

37:52Only team to beat hell this year. Interesting, yeah. Yeah, in the Carabao, in the Carabao, EFL Cup, whatever we're calling it. Well, this season. Well, this season, yeah, this season. Yeah, yeah, this season. Yeah, a good side. Really resilient, a great victory and that would be a tough place for anyone to go at that time. I mean, Jesus. Playing at Sunderland on a Saturday evening. Yeah. I want no parts of that. I want no parts of that. No one wants that. No offence, Sunderland, but I want no parts of that. I don't, it was horrible. And last season, the game last season was a 5.30 kickoff. Oh my God.

38:25And that felt horrible. So to move it even later. The energy, the crowd, they were loving it. Oh no. But they looked super impressive. I was actually very impressed with Thomas Meunier who, that's kind of like a weird signing, right? Felt like he was playing. Good get for them. Yeah, but he was essentially playing like right wing, right? How old is he? 38? 35. Seems a bit, he seems to have been around for ages. I mean, it's because he has. It's fine. True, true. But I thought he was very good. Fine player. All right, so that's Arsenal. That's the top two, the only two teams in the league with 100%.

38:58I mean, we talk about, it's an obvious thing to say because conversation has been had a thousand times. They talk about the legacy of Sir Alex Ferguson, but the fact that you've got like two of Guardiola's assistants scrapping out the top of the league. Wild, isn't it? It is wild, yeah. Do you know what I didn't realise until a lot of people were talking about it this weekend? Is that Mikel Arteta is the longest serving manager in the entire top four divisions. Four divisions. Yeah, in the whole 92 professional pyramid. He's also like an Arsenal all-time great manager. Well, yeah, 100%. Yeah, but that's the wild thing.

39:31Yeah, you know, right, right. Yes, you said that, right? But. But he just is. But yeah, right. Of course he is. But, but, but. You go back in time three years and that's not, of course he is, is it? True. Yeah, I mean, yeah. The speed of your scent, isn't it? wild how I think obviously the when you are the central figure in ending two specific trophy droughts so the one in 2014 with the FA Cup as captain you are huge involved in that and then you go and win it again the following year and then you so you because at the time that was a big deal they went three they went three 14, 16, 17 it was 14, 15, 17 14, 15, 17 sorry because they beat Villa the following year it was the first year of the Puma years and then in 17 it was Chelsea Wigan was the semi-final in 2014 because that was the Kim Kallstrom Kim Kallstrom scored a penalty Mertesaka scored the equaliser at the back post I remember what was I going to say yes so yeah Arteta all-time Arsenal manager are great which is wild got this so quick but yeah this league is very much going according to form we said it was going to be interesting in terms of football because it's up for grabs and it feels that way with teams that might be expected to be stronger challengers like Liverpool still struggling to get into gear.

40:58Yeah. Figuring it out. What do you think about this? Liverpool-Fulham. Just a fantastic point for Fulham isn't it? It's a great point for Fulham. I mean just sub par from Liverpool. The finishing was just you know what it was? It was like some of the combinations it was like watching the You're like Robert Perez in his first six months at Arsenal, just finding his range. You're like, those are going to start hitting the target, those passes and those shots are hitting the target. And then once they do, you're off to flyer. I feel similar with Liverpool right now. I feel like you can see what Iriola is coaching.

41:32You can see the habits he's trying to get them into. And again, it's the process thing. And you see it in patches. You're going to see it more in patches, I think, in the Champions League than in the actual Premier League. Because I think the quality of opposition in the Champions League, because the table's so big it's just more variable so you will see for example it's no coincidence you've seen clubs like Villa and Liverpool figuring it out quicker in the Champions League than we are in the Premier League because the Premier League I think is a margin tougher but yeah we're going to start seeing that we're going to start seeing Villa and Liverpool flying so it's really important for that reason that the top two clubs get out to a good lead in the meantime yeah Villa had a tricky start last season didn't they yeah yeah but also I think it's it's worth remembering that after five games last season Liverpool had a five point lead so nothing is super super super taken and look at the quality down the league now you've got Glasgow and Forrest I know well speaking of Forrest let's shout out Forrest because they got a very very good win at Villa great win yeah Liam De Lapp was an absolute banger and he feels like he could be happy there he looked very good actually the best I've seen him for a while I just think Forrest is a better home than Chelsea for a young striker it just is like set up's better Chelsea was asking a lot of him unfortunately look we said many times before about playing nine at Chelsea not being an easy endeavour and I don't think he had the range a lot of very very famous nine have struggled and he's a really fine player I hope he I hope he recovers from that year because that was frankly a nightmare injuries inconsistency all the rest of it so yeah best of luck to him I thought Forrest were very good very good actually more struggles for Villa Ipswich beat Palace a 90th minute winner for Ipswich with one of the coldest celebrations from Zim Fleming Such a good finish Such a good finish the way that he chased this down actually absolute gold he scored a couple of absolute crackers last year for Burnley he didn't score that many for them but he was technically so so sharp one of the goals of the season actually it was a bit of a I can't remember the game it was in now but when he took it down and finished it and I was like that guy is like technically off the scale.

43:45Whoever gets him is a great get. So yeah, nice signing for the switch. This was a less thrilling finish in technical terms, but the fact that he chased it down like he did, I mean, it's such a good finish. Most strikers don't gamble like that, actually. Yeah. Palace have been a bit chaotic. It's like a couple of these results, but again, let's put it down to problem solving. I think these, I think that a lot of clubs are, what's the thing that I keep quoting what Clive said of Arsenal Vision playing the league that's on offer I think there's quite a few teams teams have been caught a bit cold because they're not quite aware what league is on offer yeah I think it's not quite the league from last season on the whole but it's not fully moved on from that it's not the league they put it this way it is not the league they had planned for in the off season they were expecting fewer XG more set pieces there were still elements of that there was a really funny moment watching Mark Gay at the set piece was like he was fighting to get through a hedge.

44:45But yeah, I think that the problem with this table is a lot of the clubs are still figuring out how open they can be. Maybe Coventry have been a victim of this, actually. But their expansive style... I mean, Coventry were almost like a kind of... There's a great breakdown by James Alcott on what Coventry were doing tactically and how statistically they weren't really showing up in anything. And because they're so good at doing a bit of everything, because they're used to, I think, more kind of chaotic states of games. And that doesn't translate that well to this Premier League because the Premier League is almost like...

45:23Like Coventry is so good at adjusting, but if the thing itself is not... I don't know how to express this best. If the league ain't ready. Yeah, the league ain't ready. Exactly. The league is still under construction. So like, what are we adjusting to? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, guys. Am I early? Yeah. Yeah, actually. Bournemouth drew again this time with Brentford. Two goals for Kevin Sharder. Nice to see Kevin Sharder scoring. So Marco Rosa still winless but he has had three draws at Bournemouth. Winless but I like the direction of travel. And they go into Europe this week. They go to Real Sociedad on Thursday.

46:02So they go to Anueta in their first European game which is genuinely unbelievable and I hope they all have a lovely time. The final game in the Premier League this weekend was Spurs 0 Everton 0 in a game that happened one of the games of all time what is going on there no idea I mean a lot actually no let's look at it fairly with Spurs so many new arrivals at once so many new arrivals being coached to play in De Zerbe's style Kinski at the back not the most confident in terms of initiating that style of play. I mean, he's been asked to do things quite, he's been asked to play quite daring football, but the distribution, I think, is a challenge for him in this system.

46:50You don't have flying fullbacks there. Archie Gray's playing right back. It's hard work. It's like a very makeshift team. You look at it and you think, I can see what about 50, about 50 % of the players there look comfortable. and the other 50 are figuring it out. And in a league as competitive as this one, you're going to get caught cold, as they have done. They have been. So no goals yet. Need to get something on the board. And it's hard to judge them at this point. And Everton are not a team you necessarily want to play when you're struggling like that because they're not going to give you much.

47:27And so it proved. So it proved. Since we did that episode a couple of weeks ago where we were saying, look, it is probably too early for a crisis. But they have to be careful because it's not far away from turning into one. And since then, they still haven't scored in the league and they've taken two points, which I suppose is progress. But they host Villa next week, right? You could easily see Villa winning that game. Spurs might easily also win it. I think it's genuinely quite hard to call that game because two teams are struggling to start the season. If one of those teams catches fire and puts in a performance and maybe bags a, you know, like gets a two goal win or something like that.

48:12It's going to create such a massive amount of noise for the other. It's going to create less for Emery because of his position with Villa and what he's achieved there already and they are in the process of a big rebuild, as are Spurs. But I just think that off the back of the summer there isn't a huge amount of time left before things start getting very, very, very noisy because they're already noisy. I think Spurs just need to scrape a win somehow yeah yeah of course doesn't matter how it looks if they win if they beat Villa and go into the international break off the back of that that's just absolute paramount we were talking before about Coventry and you were talking about their expansive style when they came up it actually reminded me of something really weird to do with La Liga and how a couple of sides that have come up in La Liga recently have been doing that and stayed in the league pretty well I was watching the I was watching the Elche Real Sociedad game I think it was like last Monday and I know Elche kind of did that when they initially came up they were just like look we're so used to playing this way we're going to continue to play that way.

49:18Admittedly they are winless this season right but still I find it quite I mean Villarreal also winless at the moment Vinicius struggling too in Serie A yeah Valencia parted ways with Carlos Corcoran and football CEO Ron Gourley after their really bad start to season. Nightmare, playing Barcelona that early as well. I think it's Valencia's 18th manager in 15 seasons or something like that. The Peter Lim years. You know it is, there's also, I think, I think they were really unlucky to catch Barca as well at that time. That makes a bad problem look so much worse. Well, do you know who, even though they lost the game, do you know who I think kind of had some spiritual victories out.

50:04Levante. Levante. Good comeback. The thing is though, Barcelona were like on such easy streets. They were really cruising for the first like hour and they were almost asleep. By the time, I mean, the mistake that gets Levante back into it is just, it's just the slackness. It's something Barcelona have to watch for when they're so dominant, actually, that they could like give teams a chance. But they were cooking. I mean, Javi Espart scoring and then I think it was his pass, right? Yeah, his pass. I will say this, the Laminya-Mal, Rafinha combination is just spellbinding. Anthony Gordon starting the game?

50:44Gordon, Rafinha, Laminya-Mal as a front three is horrible. Horrible. Because they don't stop running. They don't stop running, these boys. Do you want to hear the subs that they brought on? Barcelona brought on Andreas Christensen Dani Olmo Mark Bernal Kareem Adeyemi who scored again and João Cancelo they left they left João Cundé Gavi Gabriel Jesus on the bench see most of those players start for almost any big team in Europe wow don't they yeah yeah that's ridiculous so they beat Levante 4-2 Real Madrid beat Rio 4-1 lovely goal from Jude Bellingham lovely goal from Jude Bellingham two for Kylian Mbappe and an assist for Carreras as well.

51:30I know it's a bit more round-up-y today, but we're doing this on Sunday night as you're not around on Monday, are you? I'm not. You know, it's actually, this is a slightly earlier game, but I want to shout out Mastantuono's hat-trick. It happened earlier in the week. Mastantuono's hat-trick for Fiorentina against Venezia just because it was such a big deal for him to go there and one of those players you really root for and yeah, he's really taken to it so well. Also, Moreira with two bangers to come back for Milan against Lazio. Moreira was signed in the summer and Lazio would like two up. But the goals that he scored, it felt like vintage Serie A.

52:08First points that Lazio have dropped this season. Go to the Stadio Limpico and you score the first one. Pulisic hangs this like really high cross in the air for the first one. And Moreira just crushes this volley. Absolute beauty. And then he gets, I think he gets two goals in two minutes or something. Both bangers. Great start for him. Serie A is looking really fun already not at the early stages but it's looking very very fun before we go can I just shout out the WSL yes oh goodness Chelsea doing work Chelsea absolutely demolishing Manchester United 5-0 to rumours of the death greatly exaggerated yeah yeah Manchester City meanwhile beat Villa to maintain their perfect start to the season they're the only side in the league who have won both of their opening games Arsenal held at home to Palace 0-0 that's a great result for Palace Manchester United are currently bottom of the table but a major surprise on the weekend was West Ham's win over London City Lionesses 2-1 a late-ish goal from Daniela van der Donk wasn't enough to spark a comeback for London City Lionesses.

53:22Expensively assembled Talk about welcome to the WSL. Yeah totally Totally, yeah, totally. But yeah, Ban City are top of the WSL after two games, looking to retain the title. And I reckon that will do us for today. Anything you want to shout out? Nothing at this point, Your Honour. I'm really quite content with the way things have turned out so far. Even though we lost, there was drama, it was entertaining. Yeah, no complaints. Vastly, look, enjoying this Premier League season already vastly more than the last one. Do you know what? I am, and that's why I'm a little bit worried and I want RefPro, formerly PGMO or PGMO, limited, I would like them to just...

54:04Yeah, fix that. What's the thing Jeanette said on Righteous House that time? Moving a little bit. Yeah. Be serious. You are a serious organisation. A lot of people are watching what you're doing. I don't think they can afford to have many more weekends like this weekend. Yeah, totally. Because it did get a little bit, I said it in the Stadio Discord, but some of it was like watching someone play their theremin for the first time. Very much so. We've got an absolute cracker in the Premier League on Monday night, by the way. Who's playing? Leeds, Newcastle, at Ellen Road. There's some great pictures on Monday, actually.

54:42Via Real, Real Betis, Como Palma, Torino Roma, Inter Udinese. Como Palma, the food. The food. Oh, Como Palma. The wine. The wine. The wine. goodness me they should they should have they should do Como should just go look at flights Como should publish wine lists for each game they should they probably do actually we just never invited yeah yeah if anyone from Como is listening we have Como FOMO please invite us to a game thanks very much alright everyone we hope you enjoy the football this week we're going to be back on Thursday for Patreon members so if you want to sign up if you haven't already patreon.com forward slash stadio until then make sure you check the stadio out was placed on Spotify.

55:25Speaking of which, we're playing out on, you know what? Fancy a bit of Yacht Rock. Go for it. It's been, it's been so. It's been too long. So I'm going to play on Back to the Streets by Rudy Norman. Love it. Anything you would like to add, Musa Gwoga? Nothing further. All right, everyone. Much love. Have a great week. We will be back with you on Thursday. See you then. I'm going back to the streets That's where I belong

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