


A post-match tactical discussion of England’s 1-2 defeat to Argentina (World Cup 2026), focusing on Argentina’s emotional/physical first half, England’s defensive “contain” approach, and late-game substitution decisions that left England passive and exposed to Messi’s space.
Seb Stafford-Bloor (football pundit/analyst) joins Ryan (host). Moussa and Nish Kumar are mentioned as regular contributors for other segments/shows, plus Alan Shearer is quoted from Gladiator-style commentary.
Argentina planned to rattle/target England’s midfield and Messi (Messi dispossessed a record amount). England’s substitutions and posture after the goal failed to change the game state; England didn’t “take Messi away” by isolating him. Tuchel’s late subs are criticized as too reactive; England should have made a proactive midfield/control change after scoring.
Simeone starting over De Paul; Paredes reckless challenge; England’s goal built by Morgan Rodgers’ wing play and Gordon’s far-post finish; England’s left flank becoming passive; Messi’s space despite England’s defenders; Kane’s post-match “keep going for another” comment; De Paul’s switches and McAllister’s pocket runs; England’s low possession (7.5% between 67’ and 92’).
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Discussion about the emotional impact and tactical aspects of England's loss to Argentina.
“Should we talk about the game itself then?”
In-depth analysis of the tactical decisions made during the match and their implications.
“England, it was coming for England at one point in the tournament, and I feel like it's come for England a couple of points through in the previous two tournaments is the trade-off with Harry Kane.”
Discussion on Tuchel's substitutions and their impacts during the match.
“I kind of, I don't find them as baffling as a lot of the, maybe like the immediate discussion about them was.”
Exploring the mentality of players in crucial moments of important matches.
“And not every player on the pitch did rise above it.”
Analysis of Scaloni's effective strategies and substitutions during the game.
“Burn comes on for James, right, who's injured, and O 'Reilly comes on for Rice.”
Discussion on player rotation in successful teams and its impact on performance.
“You could say that the Nico Gonzalez change for Paredes is major shift.”
Analyzing Messi's defining moment in the tournament with a surprising pass.
“On paper, those teams, you know, Cabo Verde, Switzerland, Egypt and England, actually pretty tough roster when you look at it all together.”
Explore Messi's defining pass in the tournament and its impact on the game.
“But those games, Argentina are so tested and they rotated and they use multiple players.”

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1:25Seb Stafford-Bloor: Hey everyone, welcome back to Stadio. I'm Ryan. no Moosey yet but you're going to hear him in a little bit along with Seb Stafford-Blur actually because as you know in addition to the Monday episodes on the free feed this feed that you're listening to we've been doing extra World Cup episodes on our Patreon patreon.com forward slash stadio and we did two episodes this week on both the semi-finals one on France-Spain one on England-Argentina and we thought we'd put a section of the England-Argentina podcast up for you all on the free feed so you're going to hear a section not the full show but you're going to hear a section of the show where we talk about England's defeat to Argentina some of the tactics some of the you know the last 20 minutes a lot of the stuff that people are talking about if you want to listen to the full episode as well as the episode about France Spain and all of our other podcasts ad-free in full you can go to patreon.com forward slash stadio just another quick shout for anyone in London next Thursday 23rd of July we're going to be doing a live show at the South Bank Centre Moussa, myself and Nish Kumar who you may have heard on the previous show Tickets are in the description There's still some left if you want to come along It'd be great to see everyone and get into some post-World Cup football stuff But for now, I'm going to leave you with this clip from yesterday's Patreon episode where Moussa, myself and Seb Stafford-Bloor chat about England-Argentina Alright, the great Seb Stafford-Bloor is here joining us on the morning after England's what what tragic argentina's argentina's 2-1 victory over right all right all right listen is that was that woken up for you is that woken up for you how are you mate disappointed mate yeah disappointed i i've learned not to trust um developing england's success i'm suspicious of it and even after anthony gordon scored i i didn't really believe that england would win and I also felt I know we're going to get on to this but I also felt as the pattern of substitutions I thought I've watched this game a lot of times I actually a lot of people were referencing the Croatia game in 2018 to me it reminded me of Portugal 2004 and the way I felt when in the second half of that game waiting for ultimately Helder Postigo to head in the equaliser different outcome I mean same outcome different means but yeah crushing but it was it was a good tournament I have a lot of good memories from it.
3:51I enjoyed aspects of it. We watched some of it together. So it's what it is.
3:55Seb Stafford-Bloor: Should we talk about the game itself then? Because the first half was a rough watch.
4:00Musa Okwonga: But it was interesting. Can we talk about how interesting it was?
4:04Seb Stafford-Bloor: Was it though? Because I don't think it was interesting enough if it was going to do that. Do you know what I mean? If it was going to go that way, it needed to go full, like people going through tables, people off the top rope kind of thing. It felt like it was... someone's brought a ladder into the centre circle. It was a bit like, hold me back. Yeah, it was.
4:23Musa Okwonga: But was Scaloni doing that because he wanted to get to half-time at 0-0? I don't think there was method, Moose. I feel like what I expected to see was Argentina for at least half an hour at the start of that game have a... be kind of possessed by what they felt towards England. And that's kind of what it looked like. That's what it was, right? That's what we saw. it felt like a very it felt like a deeply emotional first half and I don't think there were some things that happened in that first half where I'm sure there was a little bit of instruction in terms of hey rattle some of these players because some of these England players you can get to you can you know if you start confronting them if you start jabbing at them then you know you can knock them off the game I think there was a little bit of I mean there was some flirting with the lines certainly the the punch on the back of Anthony Gauze's head.
5:16Some of the Paredes stuff as well. The Paredes thing was reckless, man. Like, I feel like he got awfully lucky. I don't know if it's lucky. Didn't even get a vote for it. Can I say with this as well,
5:28Musa Okwonga: I thought even, the reason I was wondering does this go to half-time at nil-nil is that the inclusion of Simeone over De Powell I thought was strange. I'm not going to lie, because in a game like that, I feel like De Powell's passing, I've talked about this before, but his passing, you saw it developing in the last tournament at international level, last World Cup. The switches, right? He's so good at the switches and I think is an understated part of his game when he drops into wide positions and swings it out, he can tuck in and it's been one of the main features of Argentina's attack. So to have him starting the game on the bench, to me was odd when it felt like Argentina were just inviting pressure.
6:05Musa Okwonga: Seeing them go after Elliot Anderson I thought was a real compliment. I think that they complimented Bellingham. Bellingham and and Anderson, I thought they complimented the amount of attention they gave, the amount of aggression they showed them. They clearly identified them as dangerous players to emerge from this. And I mean, the stats are pretty wild. I mean, Messi got like dispossessed, like a record amount of times in a World Cup game for him. So their plan for him was very good. I think some of the conversation about England, the first half, they were set up only to contain. I thought that was a bit unfair, actually.
6:34Musa Okwonga: I thought that was a bit unfair. I think that England didn't get the protection, not the protection, they didn't get the officiating they deserved, right? That was, I think, a major problem because you saw that Argentina clearly were not bargaining upon being penalised for certain things. Not that they had some agreement with the ref, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that they thought this game would be reffed like a combo game. And for the most part, that half they were right. And the big tell is when you see Lissandra Martinez's face when he gets his yellow. He is terrified. He's terrified. Jogs back from the halfway line, head in his hands going, I'm on a yellow.
7:12Musa Okwonga: I was prepared to do like 50 more minutes of this. And at that point, the decision should have been made. Go at this guy. And one of the big problems and challenges for me, and we'll get into this later down the line, Ryan, on the tactics, you have two Argentina players on a yellow card and you don't send someone to run at them.
7:28Seb Stafford-Bloor: Well, this is, I think, the problem that England, it was coming for England at one point in the tournament, and I feel like it's come for England a couple of points through in the previous two tournaments is the trade-off with Harry Kane. He's so good and he's unbelievable but there are times when you actually don't need Harry Kane dropping into a number six role and pinging the ball out wide. You need someone who is going to torment the centre-backs. This brings back to why I think Simeone was included. I think Simeone's inclusion here was very much like a Madueke inclusion for England so far the tournament.
8:00Seb Stafford-Bloor: I think I said this on Stadio the other day where you include Madueke a lot of time because he will run at the fullback over and over and over and over again and he will wear them down to a point where you can bring on someone against a tired fullback for the last 25 minutes or so. I think that's why Simeone starts because if you look at Spence for the final 20 minutes, 15, he's kind of done. Oh my God, I've got thoughts on this. And where does the space come from in the final 15, 20 minutes down that right-hand side? Yes. So I think what happened, my main takeaway from this was that looking at the substitutions that were made, and you don't know how much game state plays into it, but we know that speaking to the amount of people inside elite football, game plans are made and substitutions are planned based on game state.
8:51Seb Stafford-Bloor: and that you know no one's kind of riffing a lot of the time it felt like scaloni had this eventuality played out where they were like look we want to just kind of i think both both sides would have taken nil nil at halftime i think both managers were like if we can take nil nil at halftime we're good that scaloni's substitutions like bringing on depal for simeoni or in that position later in the game where he can actually have the space and a little bit more time because i don't think he i don't think scaloni thinks that with spence and gordon down that left-hand side that De Palau's going to get anything really in that first half.
9:23Musa Okwonga: Well, this is interesting. Well, now we're going to get into this because I think, let's fast forward a second half and England's goal, which is constructed beautifully, by the way, right? And it's everything you want from Gordon. It's his final form. It's the culmination of all the great work he's been doing for England. He takes centre stage and it's just a great goal in all respects. It's a great finish that.
9:44Seb Stafford-Bloor: I think it's a great pass as well from Rodgers. It really is. Also for fans, a lot of fans look at that and go, that's a simple finish. That's a whipped cross on the bounce at the back post. It's a Gary Lineker finish. It's a terrific finish, yeah. But here's something else, right?
9:58Musa Okwonga: The two elements, and I'm not saying they should have both been on the pitch by the end, but the two things that make that goal crucial, Morgan Rodgers' wing play and Gordon's finish at the far post, both those elements are absent by the end of the game. Now, I'm not saying Gordon needs to still be on the pitch, but there's one of the most forlorn sights is watching Morgan Rodgers in the last 50 minutes defending in the inside left position completely unmoored from the right flank where he's been so dangerous and where he's been pushing people back and I kept thinking to myself there was a lot of talk about oh like this sub that sub fine but can you imagine what a left flank a left flank can you imagine what a left flank of Marcus Rashford and Nico O 'Reilly could have done to the space that Messi and Tepal ended up with I'm not saying they would have won the game, but there's a lot of talk about Concer for Gordon being the crucial sub.
10:49Musa Okwonga: But actually you look after the drinks break, right? I rewatched it this morning. Very interesting to see it again, like in a cold life day. And they get three warnings. They hit the pose. They get two efforts that go close. And then he subs Dan Byrne for Declan Rice. And that it's so interesting because he's already on the edge then, but that sub, I think, it's the final invitation of pressure combined with um all the great subs that scoloni made we'll get to those in the moment and i'm not trying to like dig out tuchel it's more that that left flank was it was so passive if they switched across let's say jed spence to the right and had o'reilly because we know he can press we know he can sprint we know he can like build attacks and rashford just pushing high up because rashford gets the ball once and the first thing he does is cut to the byline and you're like oh all you'd needed you wouldn't even need a goal you would just need that being a threat for the last 10 minutes of the game.
11:46Does that make sense? Yeah, well that's what I thought because obviously as the second half wore on Arjit didn't score until the 85th minute Scaloni makes all of these attacking substitutions takes away his defensive pieces and then never felt like there was any risk attached to doing that it never felt as if, oh well you know he's replaced Tali Fico and there's more attacking emphasis down the left hand side well we can exploit that never felt like England were in position to do that
12:11Seb Stafford-Bloor: because I would have wanted Maduaki on for all the reasons were undescribed I also would have Declan Rice has been ill so not surprised that he didn't last the full 90 minutes or clearly massively faded during the second half that's just what it is that's tournament football I wonder England deferred to a situation where they didn't expect to have the ball far too quickly to get like defending it's like you've got to keep playing even if you're not producing anything and not creating chances put a copy minu in the middle of the pitch so that you can still control the pool because Lionel Messi is 39 years old but how many teams in footballing history have profited from saying to him hey you know what for half an hour do your worst it's Lionel Messi even now right Scaloni has landed upon a situation where he's able to protect his team from Messi's physical limitations as someone who's nearly 40 but being able to isolate all of that influence still and it was kind of staggering that England in the second half had so many defenders on the pitch and yet Messi had so much space all the time.
13:22And it's like, you know, it's like, if you're in that situation, I think, like I, you know, I'm no tactician, I'm no John McKenzie, I'm going to say, I'm taking Messi away from this and I'll take my chances with everybody else on the pitch because let's see if you're good enough. And England never did that. And I found that really frustrating. Monday AI agents took over my work. And I absolutely love it. Chasing deadlines, writing status reports, updating stakeholders. Agents handle the daily grind now. They live inside Monday.com. So they see the full picture. My work, my team, the whole company.
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14:15Seb Stafford-Bloor: Looking through Tuchel's subs, I kind of, I don't find them as baffling as a lot of the, maybe like the immediate discussion about them was. Because if you look at when they happen, you're like, I kind of understand why he's done that. I don't think they're the right calls necessarily, but that's with the benefit of hindsight. Harry Kane said something really interesting in the post-match interview where he said, when we scored, the instruction was to keep going for another. So which makes me think that that's not on Tuchel. That is a weird freeze. That's psychosis. There's a freeze in the game where you realise what you're about to do, right?
14:56Seb Stafford-Bloor: And you see this happen with a number of elite teams. I think we've seen this with England in, I think we saw it in 2021 at points against, maybe against Denmark, I think before going into the final in the Euros, we've seen it at points when they've started to progress and turn into the side that they've been in the last six, eight years. And I think we've seen it at various points at club level where teams are on the brink of something that they've never done before and they just kind of like panic a little bit. Right. If there was one change that I think Tuchel, I would have loved Tuchel to have made more than anything, is to have made a change as soon as England score.
15:33Seb Stafford-Bloor: and it's not a defensive one. It's just a lot. It's just, I actually would have, but this is a game where you get a problem of, where you encounter the problem of not having introduced people at certain points through the tournament because when you introduce people for the first time, when you introduce people for the first time on a game of this level, it feels bigger than it should be, which is why I would have loved to have seen Mainu, come on, straight after the goal, just midfield for midfielder, just to change the dynamic of the midfield. we don't need to go super physical actually we need a bit more control and we need him to wriggle out of trouble and actually again as much as I think a lot of people would have been like why are you if Tukul had done it I think a lot of people would have been like why are you bringing on Madweke but I think having Madweke just as a constant problem down that right hand side when you're 1-0 up it just keeps something in the back of your mind if you're Scaloni right you're just like I don't know what's going to happen here but I can't guarantee that nothing is going to happen.
16:32Seb Stafford-Bloor: Agree, agree Those are the two subs I would have made. But again,
16:35Musa Okwonga: I would have, yeah, I think,
16:37Seb Stafford-Bloor: just one more thing before I wrap up. I think that if, if he doesn't make those subs, yes, and England lose 2-1 anyway, the conversation is, why didn't you shore it up? Do you know what I mean? So I, I think it was more in the manner that it played out as opposed to the actual subs as well. Do you know what I mean? The idea of shoring up in this situation, right? what we've seen in the England's World Cup is not really necessarily shoring up, but reverting to kind of like a defensive posture where you just accept that you're going to have your box shelled by crosses for 30 minutes. Look, I understand there is always an element of really good defending in that, and England certainly defended well against Mexico and at times against Norway, but there's always an element of luck there as well.
17:22And so I always think that when we talk about shoring up, it's got to start with keeping possession you can show it up the pitch yeah yeah because listen like on sunday argentina will play spain uh you you best believe spain will know how to keep the ball away from argentina and they'll know how to deal with pressure and they'll know how to soak all of the emotional energy out of that side just by starving them with the ball and that that feels to me like something that england is still yet to learn even now it feels like and this is your point Ryan about whether it's about coaching or players or whether it's just something mental it feels like we have two settings play normal or in the box in that kind of remembering gladiator when they go into the single column that's England's posture in a tournament situation
18:11Musa Okwonga: I'm glad you mentioned this because this leads into something I've been thinking about I re-watched the game today I watched it last night gladiator there well I watched it last night on German comms and this morning I watched it on English comms right different context altogether and fascinating to see alan shearer come out with a phrase he said it's the most important 50 minutes of their lives and i was like that's the problem right there it's not that right there yeah okay and this is not this sounds like it's a knock but this mentality of oh my god 50 minutes to go world cup final see that right there that's the problem okay it is ultimately just the game of football it's easy for me to say that the argentina are there they've won the two couple that that squad has won a lot they've come through a lot they've won two cop americas one of them was the first since 95 they've they won the world cup got over the line so that team when when messi looks around for all the pressure they've done it before multiple times and england for all they've won you look at their trophy cabinets the problem is the trophy cabinets don't matter at that point because at that point from you know shearer's quote the most important 15 minutes their lives all of a sudden they're six-year-old school boys right and the only players that are rising above that.
19:21Musa Okwonga: And not every player on the pitch did rise above it. I'm not going to name names or call out who I think didn't, but someone like a Jude Bellingham who does rise above it, the wildest stat that lies in the cards, looking over the numbers, Rodrigo de Pao completed more passes in 18 minutes than Bellingham did in 90. And I'm not knocking Bellingham for that. That's about getting one of your best players on the ball. It's structures. Like there was talk about Anderson criticism. It's like Anderson has everything right to do what he has to do. But he's hitting cross field passes to wingers who are completely hosed by the end.
19:52Musa Okwonga: And the substitutions at the very end of the game, I'll say this as well. This sounds like harsh to say it, but maybe I'll say it. Bring on Ivan Toney when he was brought on. Felt as desperate in his own way as Ancelotti bringing on Neymar. You had your system, you had your structure, you knew what you were doing. You had a plan at the very end, you panicked. And it's sad to see him panic. And I thought about this and I thought, look at Tuchel's biggest games, right? Champions League final when he was coaching PSG Champions League final when he won with Chelsea Champions League semi-final by and against Real Madrid and what were all those games characterised by?
20:25Musa Okwonga: In success characterised by defensive strength and a game plan goal up shore up Gundogan in defensive midfield not working out so Man City's best attacking tool completely muted in that game but I thought that Champions League semi-final when Carlo Ancelotti at his peak because he's no longer at his peak but when he was at his peak he subs off Rodrigo a proven goal scorer for Hosele and took all blinks. And that's the difference. This Monday.com ad was created by a team of people and AI agents. The agents wrote the copy and managed the timelines while our human creative director made sure it all made sense.
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21:13Musa Okwonga: elite coaching and this is why scoloni is an incredible coach we have to give all the compliments all the praise putting on depau to get the switches and at some point i thought we'd see them i saw them later than we thought but bringing depau for the switches having mccallis to pop up in that space where they weren't sure whether to come or go you had a back six but they were so static they were basically on the six yard box and mccallis that was popping up in a space where he knew they weren't sure whether to come or go he was in this inside left pocket he hits the post twice from that pocket because you've got like a midfield three and a back six and McAllister's going you're not sure how to come out here so I've got you on an island.
21:47Musa Okwonga: Scaloni just finding the pressure points and this is the thing with Tuchel unfortunately at the very highest level when the game's in the balance he doesn't gamble in the attacking sense and it's harsh I know it's really harsh because Tuchel this is also the Thomas Tuchel who coached one of the best attacking teams I've ever seen the Dortmund team of Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang right he's got the attacking chops
22:07Seb Stafford-Bloor: 11 years ago right it was it was right but it's not that he can't
22:11Musa Okwonga: coach brilliant attacking teams it's that in these specific moments and again I said this before it's not the concert for Gordon's sub it's for me it's bringing on Burn instead of Mainu for Rice when you've had the when the post gets hit and it's 82 minutes and you've still got 15 minutes to go and actually you're still in this game I still think a player like Kobi Minu makes a difference in terms of playing the ball out.
22:37Seb Stafford-Bloor: Burn comes on for James, right, who's injured, and O 'Reilly comes on for Rice.
22:42Musa Okwonga: So switch the flanks, switch Jed Spence to the right, for example, O 'Reilly left, for example, and then Manu in front.
22:48Seb Stafford-Bloor: I think if you look at the subs that Scaloni makes before the Martinez-Fataglifico sub, they're all kind of just, they're just replacements. They're not really huge, huge shifts. You could say that the Nico Gonzalez change for Paredes is major shift. But like that's a midfielder for a midfielder technically, right? It's Rodrigo de Pal for Simeone, Montiel for Molina. That's a good one, yeah. But that's, again, that's just a right back for a right back. And then Otamendi for Martinez. So, for Lissandro Martinez. So, you've got like just people, Martinez was on a yellow. You know that like that's right.
23:23Seb Stafford-Bloor: Which wasn't used, which wasn't exploited, yeah. Molina that came off, it wasn't Tali Fico, sorry. Yeah, yeah. Molina comes off for Montiel and then Tali Fico comes off for the last 10 minutes for Martinez. That's the one where he's like, right. But the thing is, at that point, they just need someone to light it because the momentum has shifted so dramatically at that point. And I think that the players deserve a bit of criticism here because they were looking like they were in big trouble. And therefore, I think that if you are a coach and you are seeing your team just all of a sudden retreat into their own box and just invite crosses, you're like okay i should probably put someone else in there to help deal with that probably
24:08Musa Okwonga: that is you're right ryan but also counterintuitively he said oh we're passive so i sent on dan but well no but what you're doing is you're encouraging i'm talking about the
24:16Seb Stafford-Bloor: cons of change initially right because that's the one that then flicks the domino right it's
24:20Musa Okwonga: weird because you're encouraging the past it's weird like you're right in the sense of like courage goes okay like they're doing this let's help them out but you're almost encouraging the
24:27Seb Stafford-Bloor: passivity does that make sense yeah yeah no for 100 you're confirming the thing that is happening on the pitch I think Rooney said something like this right when you're under that amount of pressure and then you see a defender coming on you're like okay we've got we've basically committed to digging in for the last however long but I think that that's why
24:45Musa Okwonga: don't panic yeah yeah
24:46Seb Stafford-Bloor: that's why I think that the change like I said I think it would have been so proactive and been like right England have just gone one-on-one up Declan Rice is coming off Cobby Mania is coming on and maybe we go do you know what like actually genuinely I would have thought about bringing on someone not for Kane because I think if you take Kane off straight after the goal people are going to be like what are you doing? Right? Like what the hell are you doing? But I think within five or six minutes I think I would have looked at that change because I don't think Harry Kane did much. No. Apart from like He had spent physically.
25:21Seb Stafford-Bloor: Exactly right. And I think that In a way that he hadn't since 2018 actually. And that's understandable but the momentum started to slowly slip away from England and I think that you look Norway took off Erling Haaland against England also I think Harry Kane is sort of if you look at the way those attacking players have been rotated he's really the only one who hasn't been rotated yeah and his at his age he's playing a lot of minutes played an entire domestic season of course naturally but I think it becomes it becomes its own drama right and it's it's difficult I think Tuchel inherited a situation where you almost can't take off Kane in certain situations because it becomes a pressure in itself, which is, again, leaning into this, kind of what it is to be an England football team in a major tournament.
26:08There's all these historical issues that you have to juggle at the same time. It's enormously difficult. Yeah, and I think that that was to me the thing.
26:17Seb Stafford-Bloor: If I look back at it, that was the one real kind of be like, okay, you could have grabbed control of the narrative and the game there and been like... But then again, I'm just kind of looking at it from the other side if he makes those changes after the goal and then England concede not long after or the game goes exactly the same way but he's made those changes where he's been like alright look I took so and so off and we kind of just wanted to refresh
26:43Musa Okwonga: he's going to get cooked anyway Can I be harsh though? The minutes Always Okay so you look at the group games right France had this problem England had it too when England go tunnel up against Panama that's an opportunity to hook Kane or Anderson or both or Bellingham both the scorers for Tony and Mainu and give them minutes because at 2-0 Panama we're not coming back into that they weren't getting a goal that's an opportunity to get your players minutes and France tried to run it up in their third game against a second string Norway and that cost them why because Zaya Emery didn't have minutes so when it came to having a third midfielder in the mix or a different option they didn't have any game time rotation is a key part of this and one thing I will always give Argentina credit for and Spain as well.
27:29Musa Okwonga: It's no coincidence those two teams have rotated. Argentina have played a huge amount of football. They played the longest, they played the highest intensity of knockout football in World Cup history because there was an extra round and each of those games went either to the wire or where Argentina like looking down the barrel and almost out. This is what makes them so dangerous on Sunday because they've been battle tested like nobody else. On paper, those teams, you know, Cabo Verde, Switzerland, Egypt and England, actually pretty tough roster when you look at it all together. But those games, Argentina are so tested and they rotated and they use multiple players.
28:05Musa Okwonga: Yeah, Messi doesn't start against Jordan, right? He comes on for the last however long. Talking of Michael Jordan of football. Talking of Messi, I want to talk about this. Isn't it incredible that the defining pass of this tournament, perhaps for Messi, came with his right foot? When he goes down the right flank, right? How many times have you watched the Maradona highlight where he hits the Robona from there, from that angle. And maybe it's just in my mind, but I don't think they're expecting Messi to hit that with his right foot. They're not. You know that moment in the Argentina-Eleven's game?
28:37Musa Okwonga: I always talk about this. It's my conspiracy theory, which is that the reason why that pass happens, that mind-blowing pass to, is it Molina or Montil? I'm not sure. It's Molina. It's Molina. The mind-blowing pass he plays, I think it's the first time Messi goes right all game. Like he has his head down and he's cutting left the whole time, cutting left, and it's the first time he hits a reverse pass in the entire match like that. And it goes to because no one's expecting him to go against it because he just got everyone like locked in. And every time Messi's gone to the byline before that, he's cut in, he's cut round.
29:08Musa Okwonga: So the actual cross, and this is how many years we've been watching Messi where we watch him develop his right foot. And the first time I saw Messi score with his right foot from outside the box, I think it was Villarreal or something where he like looks up and just laces it. And I'm like, hang on a minute, he's got that. And the whole thing about Messi was, yeah, great left foot, but like, has he really got the right? And to somehow, like to conjure this and the fact that it comes straight after McAllister, it comes off the post. It's like, it's perfect because it sums up just the level of pressure England were under.
29:38Musa Okwonga: Like they get to one all and I was watching this going, now they've lost this. Even on penalties, they've lost this. Like when it got to one all, the pressure was so intense. I mean, what was it? England had 7.5 % possession. This is from the Totally Football Show. They were talking about this. Duncan Alexander was talking about it. England had 7.5 % possession between the 67th minute and the 92nd. 7.5%.
30:03Seb Stafford-Bloor: Look, look, I'm no elite coach, right? But that's not good, I don't think. It's like fighting John Wick
30:11Musa Okwonga: with a toothpick.
30:12Seb Stafford-Bloor: It really is. All right, everyone, hope you enjoyed that section of yesterday's Patreon episode. If you want to listen to the full episode, go to patreon.com forward slash study. You can sign up as a podcast member or if you want all the podcast plus access to the discord etc you can sign up as a social club member hope you have a lovely weekend and we'll be back with you on monday on this feed for our world cup final episode
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Argentina are once again into the World Cup final, after two late goals secured an epic turn around and a 2-1 win over England.
On this section from Thursday's Patreon episode, Musa and Ryan are joined by Seb Stafford-Bloor to chat all about the second semi-final, the plan of both sides, the in game changes and whether all the blame should fall to Thomas Tuchel. Head to patreon.com/stadio to listen to the full episode, which includes more on this game, plus some chat about Jürgen Klopp taking over the Germany job, the final on Sunday and more.
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