England Summer Review, Brook Brilliance and Fleming Speaks! | Stick to Cricket EP 63

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2:42Michael Vaughan: Morning H, what's happening? Morning mate. Anything new? Morning, morning.

2:48Michael Vaughan: No tough as today, isn't it? I think he's away. He's on it. How many holidays does he have? More than me mate. Have we got a board with how many, just tick it off, how many has a year? Get his stats up. This is new isn't it? So who have we got instead? Goffy. Goffy. Yeah. we got him off the golf course he's coming in you playing golf with a one the medal the Freddie Taggart yeah beat you to it he's on the board yeah yeah I'm far off where you'd reckon in terms of level there was a little bit of a I mean because our three ball came first second and third so they're a bit you know who was doing the scoring we didn't rig it H now no rigging yeah we Got you out of here.

3:34Michael Vaughan: Yeah, no rigging. Couple bets on the sly, no. Well, he played well. He did play well. He made a speech. He said something like, football was easy for me, golf's very hard. He said, but obviously with my Champions Leagues, my Premier Leagues, this comes about fourth. Got a little trophy, this comes about fourth. Where are they? I don't know. They're not coming in, just me and you. as always mate what have we got on here a bit of pistachio on there on the croissant some posh bakes in here mate you get looked after don't you yeah it's nice nice went to Salford City last night what's Sheffield Wednesday a great time didn't you best sausages I've ever had yeah honestly bangers and mash were to die for with Gary no Gary wasn't there no I saw Scorsese Scorsese was there you keeping his seat warm yeah what actually yeah yeah one nil down at halftime one two one When there's people I know it's like they've had 13 boys Morning morning, welcome back Just to let you know you're in toughest chair and also just to let you know Bobby Dazzler if we want any batting demos You've got to do them.

4:45Michael Vaughan: Oh God. It's been a while. Don't have a go in this spot. It's been a while That's to be what do I have to do what tough is?

4:52Darren Gough: There you go. There you go.

4:56Michael Vaughan: Just give us a forward D, Dash. You didn't play many, but you know.

4:59Darren Gough: No, I did. I did. Dougie Padgett, wasn't it? In front of that.

5:03Michael Vaughan: He's taking over, chef. He's taking over.

5:05Darren Gough: Yorkshire way, wasn't it? Always defended in front of the pad. That's right. Get it out there. And what else did he used to say? Never cut. Who's the odd one out? Who's the odd one out?

5:15Michael Vaughan: And also, don't play a cover drive in April. Who's the odd one out in this four ball? Me Probably you Me It's him isn't it Southerner Oh yeah We're just looking And I'm half Southerner And stick to cricket Have only had two Requests Get him back again Both Yorkshire Both Yorkshire Dazzler and Geoffrey You know he's a Yorkie now I saw the Geoffrey one He's a good Geoffrey Geoffrey Good form is Geoffrey Lovely Very good form You've brought notes again Have we got a guest today I always do mate You should know that Well, this shows us. We're just chatting the season and what's happening has been all sorts gone.

5:54Look at all this. Who's not guesting? Trendy jacket. Look at that.

5:59Michael Vaughan: Have you nicked that off? It's like that. You're engulfed up, isn't it? You're engulfing. What makes that? You look like you've been... Oh, well, you have been golfing, haven't you? You've been winning a game. Second. Second. Yeah, I've just mentioned it to Harry. Second. Second? Yeah. What, in a medal? Medal, yeah. The Freddie Taggart. Oh, the Freddie Taggart at Wilslop. Yeah, Freddie Taggart. Well done. See Brodie, didn't he play with Rory McIlroy? Yeah, he shot 60, Rory. He said he was 11 under after 12. 11 under after 12? Rory was? In that round, yeah. So what's the par at... Well, what's Brodie playing with him?

6:30Darren Gough: Just in that pro-am. Pro-am. Ridiculous. He shot 60. They got 41 under. I know. I mean, that's ridiculous, isn't it? 41 under. What's Brodie playoff about... Do you know what normally wins that?

6:44Michael Vaughan: It said 4.6. Who is? It came upon you. Yeah, but he got... They dissected his... He'd have got nine shots, though. They dissected his swing. They know... He did all right. Tim Barkley's guy. Yeah, he's improved. Dissected his swing. Got a good swing. I'll tell you what, cart chip. B-Rod? B-Rod, cart chip, no. I, um... Rubbish. Worst I've ever seen. Did Jimmy play in it? No. Go on, go on. I said, I bought him a Phil Mickelson chipping book for his birthday once. No! I didn't. Oh, you were... It was your guy at Woburn, innit? Dan Greve? Yeah, that's him. I've worked with Dan Greve. Have you paid a grand for a lesson as well?

7:21Michael Vaughan: No, freebie, mate. Freebie. Do you pay for anything? Do you play golf?

7:25Darren Gough: No, you're the best. You're like Alan Brazil. I said that earlier. You are basically Alan Brazil. Alan Brazil. How is he, Alan? You've got a fridge now in your back garden that looks like an oven. Or an oven that looks like a fridge. Mike Selvey. I like the Bertha. I think Mike Selvey plays at Warburn. He's a good player. He does, Mike Selvey. Yeah, he's at Warburn.

7:46Michael Vaughan: I've got a new oven in my garden. Eh? Got a new oven in my garden. I saw that. Bertha. It looks like a fridge, though, Bumble. It's a massive Bertha. It doesn't look like an oven. I had a look at how much they are. Yeah. God, phew! Eh? Well, come on, then. Ring me after.

8:01Darren Gough: Eh? All right, ring me after. Alan Brazil, innit? Yeah, ring me after. Love's a freebie.

8:04Michael Vaughan: Lisa Allen, the Michelin star chef. She's up at Northcote Manor. She came round the house on Sunday to me a Sunday roast. Northcote Manor. Magnificent. Clitheroe, round that area. Oh, I know Northcote Manor. that's Nigel Eworth Nigel Eworth with Northcourt Manor Nigel Eworth, I know him Celebrity Sheffield, he's now got the three fishies down at Mitten Nigel Eworth, he used to be manager at Lango football club There you go, Nigel Eworth And when Blackburn Rovers won the Premier League under Kenny Dalglish and Alan Shearer Alan Shearer, Mick Newell Graham Lassoar Sherwood Sutton Jim Flethorst Hendry They used to go there They used to go there And have their dinner Nice spot it is Nice spot Cookie Luton What's happening?

8:57Michael Vaughan: They're not the best Gone, aren't they? They're not gone They're a good squad Getting rid of Wilshire yet or not? Not yet Not yet? Not yet Because they need to get a bow In the back of the net I thought we were Steak to cricket Oh yeah We're just asking around Are we? Did you come second In a cooking show last night? Chance to dine, isn't it, Dan?

9:15Darren Gough: I normally win it, Bonnie, but... Have you won it before? Yeah. The salmon to starder last year that won it. This year I went for a... You did what? Yorkshire Wolves chicken breast pan frying. What with? With a bit of pea and pancetta, a baby gem lettuce with... Sparked, you know what I mean, with the old gas thing. And then put on a... Onion and skin, dried obviously. through the older, what they call them, thermo things. Mix it all up, put that on top of the baby jam with a pea puree. Oh, he should have pissed me off. Who are you competing for? He should have won. With a what? Pea puree. Pea puree.

9:56He's from Barnsley.

9:58Michael Vaughan: He should have won it. Who should have won it? He's finished. He is the poshest person ever to come out of Barnsley. What sort of potatoes? Definitely not, mate. Where I come from, it's a mob too, mate. Fondant. Fondant potatoes. He's from Barnsley. Fondant potatoes. Why don't you do fish and chips? It's only a potato cut in half.

10:22Darren Gough: So Finney, you. And Lydia. Lydia did... Lydia came third? No, Lydia cooked... Well, didn't really cook. Lydia Greenway. Oh, Lydia. Did it eat a mess? But it was just cricket, people. Yeah, it's always cricket. It's a good night, isn't it? It's a good laugh. It's a good laugh. It's worth doing. but I was sabotaged from early on. I got no cross, hadn't I? It became the BBC show, didn't it? Oh, that means there'd been a lot of wine involved. Yeah, there was. And no crosses in town. You'd had a few on stage. I've done it a couple of times, three times. It's a good laugh, it's a good laugh, isn't it?

10:56You've won it three times? Yeah, I did one with starter main and pudding, so whichever I've done, I won it. Brodie's won it, hasn't he, a couple of times.

11:03Michael Vaughan: I came second in that, never won it. What did you cook? Like my golf. Rack of lamb? I did a posh roast. Yorkshire puds.

11:13Darren Gough: Beef. See, I got marked down for putting a little Yorkshire pudding on it. Just a little signature thing, wasn't it, being a Yorkshire lad?

11:21Michael Vaughan: Got you some on your spuds. Parboil them, right? Yeah. Parboil them. Ten minutes. Skin on or off? Either or. Right. Freeze them.

11:31Darren Gough: Oh, I've been doing that five years. Have you?

11:34Michael Vaughan: Do it every Christmas. Freeze them. And then what? Scratch them, no scratch them first. Yeah, you can rough them up. Put them in the freezer, freeze them, and then just put them straight in. A load of fat, just put them in the oven. Absolutely to die for. Come out full. You know, it's like triple cooked chips. That's how they do them. Exactly how they do them. You get soft in the middle, crispy on the outside. That is how you do them. Talk about triple. Brew dog, triple A-Z Jane. Nice. 9.2%. Ooh. LAUGHTER

12:06Darren Gough: Mate, have you been to Belgium? Have you been to Belgium? And you just go in any pub and you order a drink? You have two pints of your anybody's. Literally, it is 7-8%. Don't need any drinks for that, Dad. On tap. 7-8%. Alex Hartley, we were in Belgium commentating. She had two pints and she didn't know what day it was.

12:25Michael Vaughan: You were at that European League, weren't you?

12:26Darren Gough: Yeah. Good. Yeah, it was all right. It was all right. commentary box was a tent standard don't mind that standard no standard was good I enjoyed the cricket there was some like some good players pitches pitches good pitch was better than expected was Astro no the groundsman did a great job he coming at like 24 hours no and there weren't even a pitch there four weeks before he won it televised oh I can't tell me it was four months ago it was televised um yeah it was yeah but i don't know where but you mentioned about 10 so you're just commentating i used to like commentating at ground level so you know when it was minus five they have that freezing i used to love that at ground level yeah what do

13:16Michael Vaughan: you think you want i like i'll tell you what i love on the radio when you can commentate outside so durban you'll be outside you know when they're when covid hit and we're at uh southampton down And at Southampton, we commentated on the balcony outside.

13:30Darren Gough: No, no, we did that. Talksport this year, Edenley. You know how cold it was there.

13:34Michael Vaughan: Oh, you were in the far side, weren't you? Mate. I saw you with your beanie on. Mate, I was...

13:39Darren Gough: That's the only time in my whole life, I promise this, I've commentated on anything, and I've literally nearly walked off. I had gloves on, and this was... When was it? The test match? Pakistan. August one. I had the thing wrapped round my head. it was that you were freezing the wind just came straight down when Sky first got going at Trent Bridge so the main pavilion to the left is that stand which has been redeveloped Henry Blofeld and Bob Willis commentated just them two nobody else from a shed on the test mark nobody else just them two for that

14:19Michael Vaughan: what for Sky yeah really yeah when it first started like talks about that what army does I bet Blowers wouldn't be able to see the buses from there would he well you make them up yeah before we get started i'd like to thank our partners betfair so just hit subscribe so you don't miss an episode enjoy the show

14:43Michael Vaughan: oh welcome to lancashire like yorkshire but less trophies you know something

14:48Darren Gough: Lancashire, you'll be in Division 3. In my account, he's bumble. He's not wrong. Cheer up, there we go. At Lord's, you can't turn up as a banana or a tin of stewed prunes, can you? You can't. Why not? The Duke walked in, in front of everybody, and then presented me my honorary life membership. What a wanker. Listen. If you're a player, you want to play in an Ashes series. It's the pinnacle of our game. End of. What are you taking a picture of? Third hole at Centurion Golf.

15:21Michael Vaughan: Summarise for the show, please, what you thought of the last eight clubs. Captain Cuvlon, mayday, mayday, mayday. Don't panic. Right, should we dissect the year that's been for England? I'll just read a few headlines. January 8th, England and the Ashes losing 4-1. The ECB immediately began a review. 22nd of Jan, Luke writes, Steps down as selector. January to April. Reports of ever drinking on the Ashes Tour and Harry Brooke's earlier Wellington nightclub. Incident raised questions over a team culture. Brooke apologised. Brooke and Jacob Bethel later received formal cautions for conduct rule breaches.

16:03Michael Vaughan: January midnight curfew introduced by the ECB on players when on England duty. 5th of March, England men's T20 World Cup ends in a semi-final defeat in India. March, the ECB review. Another review retained Captain Ben Stokes Stokes coach Brendan McCullum and managing director Rob Key, despite the Ashes' results. They retained them, so obviously after the review. 13th of May, Marcus North appointed as men's selector. June, Stokes and Gus involved in the late-night Chelsea nightclub incidents. Neither were blamed for violence, but both had breached contractual conduct standards, including the curfew and missed the second test.

16:41Michael Vaughan: 28th to the 30th of June, Stokes' last test match. We all know what happened there. 12th of July, McCullum was removed as men's test coach. Though he remained whiteboard coach, effectively ending the basball leadership pairing with Stokes. 30th of July, Stephen Fleming was appointed. The test coach and Joe Root returned as test captain. However, it was announced that Fleming wouldn't start the job until after the Pakistan series. He's just been here the last week or so. 12th of August, new captain Root abolishes the curfew that went. Insisting players must be grown adults. and make good, strong decisions.

17:17Michael Vaughan: 26th August, Brydon Kars was dropped from the test squad after an alleged derby incident involving handcuffs. The cricket regulator opened an investigation. This intensified scrutiny of the men's team's drinking culture. 7th September, KP appointed a specialist mentor to the whiteboard coaching team. 12th September, England secured a 3-0 test series whitewash over Pakistan at Edgbaston, offering a stabilising result amid the leadership and disciplinary turmoil. What have you made of the last seven or eight?

17:50Darren Gough: That's amazing. You could write a book. Run of the mill, wasn't it, really? A year in English cricket. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's a good resume that you've just read out there.

18:00Michael Vaughan: Probably one of two things we missed out as well, to be fair. So to pick the bones out of it, as you two, as international captains, I think the telling thing was Root, as captain of the Red Bull Test team, coming out and saying, behave yourselves. And he said, I'm hacked off. I'm hacked off, which was a bit strong for him. And I think that's been the fundamental thing, which has put it all to bed. You know, you're in the past now, aren't you? Move forward. Well, that's the thing. We can go all through those things, but we've been through them before. Where do we all think we sit now? We've got Stephen Fleming, who I thought was excellent in terms of the way that he spoke this week.

18:40Michael Vaughan: I actually listened and thought, finally, we've got a bit of sense. There's a bit of sense, there's a bit of maturity. And he used one or two words. Even talking about that fourth day at Trent Bridge to Ben Stokes last day, I thought, oh, he might just play the party line. He said it was damning. It wasn't a great look for cricket, never mind for English cricket. It was just a bad look for the game. So I think he spoke a language that I've listened and go, oh, yeah. I now feel very relaxed that England's Test team have got an absolute rock-solid coach in charge of the team. Do you not expand that and say, well, the captain's solid as well?

19:16Yep. For how long he does it, I don't know. The lad who's come in under the radar and understated is Marcus North, and so I think he's going to be a player. And so you expand that conversation, where are the English? Don't bring that up again. Come on, don't keep rubbing it in.

19:33Darren Gough: We've got another 15 minutes. Don't rub it in, Marcus North, you know. I did an old show on that last time, you know. Look, you missed out, mate. Yeah, look, Marcus North is a good lad and he's done well. I actually am feeling a lot better about English. Flem, look, Flem, I said that. I'm not too bored about him coming in because I think he's a good choice. Flem, we play with him at Yorkshire. He speaks well. He's used to managing big-name players. We've seen that. How many years were he at, Shedda? 18?

20:02Michael Vaughan: I think he had a spell, then he had a breather, then he went back. A long time, and I'm happy with that appointment.

20:09Darren Gough: I think he's brilliant. Do you not think that, you know, out of it all, and a bit of a chuckle, which we have had, Yeah. Going back to Noosa, just a bit of a chuckle. You're not going back there, are you? No, you see little ducky stood, who I'm at, where I'm at, what day is it, and the next one is a bloke coming out at 4 o 'clock in the morning in a pair of handcuffs. I did have a bit of a chuckle. You've got to say, now, now, come along, lads, this is not right. But thank Christ. I do enjoy how whatever happens in the leadership role, when one person's there, the next person's always quite the opposite to the previous one, isn't it?

20:48Like, you were very different to NASA. Very. It was, though, wasn't it? Absolutely. You needed NASA, then when you get someone, you need a Vorni character. And then, you know, you have Silverwood. I know, I do feel a little bit sorry for that group of coaches because of the Covid stuff. That really has to be still looked at. You get Spoons, then you get McCollum. You also had asked the Giles.

21:11Michael Vaughan: We had two English guys running English cricket around the time. It was the hardest. It was a shock. I don't care who you were, where you were from, that was all going to end how it ended for English cricket. I think it's impossible. Everything for those two years has to be with an asterisk on. But then you go from there to then McCollum, who was so relaxed compared to him. And then you've gone back to that sensible again. Well, look at this. The most revealing was the description of his relationship with Brendan McCullough. He responded to Stephen and he said, I'll bet on the favourite and he'll bet on the longest odds possible.

21:45Michael Vaughan: We've said that, that Baz is a punter and he just wants to go all in and hope that a 50-1 comes in. And do you know what? Not that they were 50-1 to win those first 10 games. They probably would have been on that. But that's what happened. and they were a victim of their success. We've gone back to me. Those first 10 games, people believed and the leadership of the ECB believed that they'd reinvented how we manage players. And I'm kind of glad that Test cricket has stood the test of time and said there are some fundamentals, no matter how good you are, that stayed true. So when I was blocking it throughout my career, thinking actually that is, if you want long-term success, it probably has to be an enemy.

22:26I do like how they push the boundaries and I think people will benefit from that. But fundamentally, the test of cricket is to the time where you can't have a Nighthawk. Nighthawk.

22:38Darren Gough: Do you think the biggest mistake of all of it, because I like some of the old, we use the word basball now, we can still call it. We're not calling it Flemball, are we? But I like some of it. But what I didn't like about it is that you had players that didn't have the talent to do it. They were good in what they got in the side for doing. My point is, Harry Brooke is a one-off. And I love watching Harry play. And I think he's taken batting to another level. And I like him playing that way. I know some people get frustrated by it. I actually like it. But you can't have players thinking they are as talented as Harry Brooke trying to do it.

23:17Darren Gough: That was the biggest mistake for me from watching. You've got someone like Ducky, who's a brilliant cricketer. But he's trying to do something. like he thinks it's a medal for not leaving a ball. Oh, yeah, I don't leave it. What do I leave it for? I mean, good bowlers bowling at you, putting the ball in the same area consistently, you're going to nick off. Simple. Ironically, he's now... He's starting to nick off. When he's starting, I think he's... We're all a big fan of Duckies. He's doubting now. He's doubting his ability. He's not sure how to play, is he? But at least on that McCollum thing, he was, this is how I'm playing, and this is the only...

23:51But then him and Crawley, they actually for all of Zach's you know the negative comments about Zach's averaging 30 them as a partnership were fantastic and I think Duckett really relied on crawling you know the plausibility to boundaries from ball one he didn't well Emilio it's totally the opposite

24:10Darren Gough: that's the problem now he's got something at the other end he's almost taking balls he's taking up the balls and Duckett's now thinking how do I play now

24:19Michael Vaughan: you're bowling now to two left-handers whereas before you would talk about for long but you're going to a right Andrew six foot six and then the next ball you bow into a left Andrews small on the little so it's small the kind of areas of which you're bowling as a bowler is just usually different and Varnie we all know we've all

24:38Darren Gough: been there right test cricket eats you up right when you go for a little bad part you start questioning certain parts of it so when you come in and you do well and you think oh yeah I'll on doing that but then you have a couple of bad days with the ball well not a couple of bad days a couple of bad games and you think oh am I doing something wrong or get a couple of low scores and it gradually over time eats you up and that's what finishes a lot of people in test cricket that's why it's so hard you know you start doubting your own ability do you think Stephen Fleming as head coach will stay with like Marcus Traskothic or will he bring his own people in Southie hasn't he Is Southie still with the team?

25:22Michael Vaughan: Yeah, well, yeah, he is at the minute. I think he'll still. I get a feeling, I mean, Jonathan Trott's been given the Lions job for the winter, which I thought was interesting, that it was just for the winter, because there's going to be some jobs come available in English cricket, let's be honest. In the county game, there's going to be one or two jobs that are worth having. I just wonder whether now it's worth Marcus Triscothic going and get a county job and proving his worth as a head coach and leading a group and leading a big club. How long has he been an assistant coach? Since he finished.

25:52Michael Vaughan: I think he's been with England, hasn't he? Pretty much. The only problem with that, I get that totally. No, 2020. He's been there a while. 2019. He's been around the England team. He was at Somerset. Paul Collingwood assistant coach.

26:03Darren Gough: Kerr took over from him. Yeah, he was assistant coach. Kerr took over from Trez, didn't he? Trez was going to be the... Who did? Jason Kerr. So he's been there. Jason Kerr's been there, what, five, six years? Doing a super job and all. Yeah, from Trez. I think Trez was obviously that guy, wasn't he? Trez played 2019, I know that. That was his last game at Essex versus Somerset. He didn't play, but he fielded that last little bit. But he's definitely been involved with England or around the group for a while now. Fleming will probably do what sensible people do and have a look at how it works when he's there in South Africa.

26:39I mean, if you're going there, you probably wouldn't get rid of Trez for the first little bit. Not get rid of him, you'd want Trez with you because guess what? Trez has got a relationship with all those batters. So when Flem sat there talking in a team meeting, well, what's actually gay like? And also, if he takes up a role

26:56Michael Vaughan: in the county game, he doesn't need to start till January anyway. I mean, if I was Flem... But would you want that, Vaughan?

27:01Darren Gough: Would Trez, we all know Trez is an homebody, right? He does like being at home. Do you think he'd want to then suddenly become a coach of a county where, if it's not where he's living, it's a big job, that. He takes a big commitment now.

27:17Michael Vaughan: He's not at home now anyway, because he's with England. 300 days a year. In three formats of the game, he is a coach. So he's never at home anyway at the minute. I've no idea what's going to happen. I've mentioned some clubs, Lancashire. Sorry, I've no idea what's going to happen. But if one of those two jobs came available, and I'm Marcus Trussoffi, I'm sticking my hand up and going, I want to be the head coach of one of those two big clubs. Without getting on to Lancashire. What's happening there? You'd imagine there will be a new coach. There's a new director of cricket available. They sacked Mark Chilton or removed him.

27:48Men's and women's. Yeah, so there's two jobs at Lancashire. They've both gone. There's a new chief executive comes in in a couple of weeks. God forbid we don't have to say anything now. So we've got one game against Durham to go. You'll lose that. Trying to avoid becoming boss. Stop gloating.

28:06Darren Gough: Look at the Yorkies. You know, when we were at Yorkshire, all the stuff they were struggling with, the first tweet that had come out were from Lancashire. Enjoy Division 2. You know something? Lancashire, you'll be in Division 3.

28:20Michael Vaughan: In my account, this Bumble. He's not wrong. When we go to three leagues of six, six, six, six. How is it possible? They've gone. There was a singer called, I think she was called Yaz. Yeah, only way he's up. The only way he's up, yeah. But how's it happened?

28:35Darren Gough: Because Lancashire, I look at their team now and they've got good players. Did they tweet that back in the day? Get that back up. Let's find that tweet.

28:43Michael Vaughan: That's outrageous, Dave. Were you involved then? No, I wasn't. Who was it from? I know who it was from. Somebody at Lancashire. Bumble. What's your handle? Name names. It wasn't me. That's a disgraceful tweet. It wasn't me. Your rivals over the Pennines. I'd never do that. Were you in charge of coffee at the time? You know what I'm like. I wanted to get fish out there. I knew where we'd have come from. That's outrageous, Dave. It is. It's shocking. It's shocking. We have great rivalry, but great friendship. Absolutely. Across the Pennine.

29:16Darren Gough: It's like when the beaters in that semi-final and they were singing in each hour, cheer up, down and go. So I went up, didn't I? I went in there. They all stood up then. Right. Eh?

29:25Michael Vaughan: That was a fair way of thought, didn't we? Was that when Heggie was putting it over points then? Or was it when Bevan didn't go? He wasn't at the bloody backward point on the ring. Yeah. Remember that?

29:37Darren Gough: No, also that game. Also that game was when

29:45Darren Gough: I bought eight at the dead and he left Stempi to ball and then he got

29:52Michael Vaughan: oh there it is Dave there it is you found it well this is your club this is your club welcome to Lancashire like Yorkshire put in division one I haven't put that on that's not me what year is that then? that's aged well isn't it that's aged well isn't it shocking that that's a shocking thing here's another one welcome to Lancashire like Yorkshire but less trophies I haven't done that you're second from bottom in division 2 who's put it up it's not me who's put it up terrible terrible not saying who's put it up Stick to Cricket is brought to you by Betfair

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33:30Michael Vaughan: Stephen Fleming, he was asked about the ashes and our obsession with beating Australia. He responded, like, do we have an obsession? He went, no, because I have an obsession with it as well. New Zealand has an obsession with it. We love it. We want to beat the Aussies. We're heavily linked to England's performances. We have a deep desire to beat Australia in everything. As a little cousin, we are linked and I'm incredibly excited about being a part of it. If you're a player, you want to play in an Ashes series. It's the pinnacle of our game. End of. That's it. Absolutely. We can talk about ticket prices forever and, you know, that is not right, as we've said.

34:08But them grounds will be full.

34:10Michael Vaughan: oh of course they were yeah i i think every ashes series it comes i mean the one in the winter back in australia it felt bigger and yeah better than the the previous one you know next year's one here in the uk i mean it'll be bigger again won't it absolutely massive yeah i feel

34:25Darren Gough: they all sold out already they will sell out when is it it's just it's gone gone no no when do the ballot you they've had people enter ballots don't they yeah the lord's ballots out because mcc members, you get the letter saying if you want to put your name in for a ticket, £160, I think. But at Lourdes, you can't turn up as a banana or a tin of stewed prunes, can you? You can't. Why not? Why not? Why not? You look at the whole razzmatazz of Test cricket in England and you go to Headingley, Trent Bridge, you go to Trafford. You won't go to Trafford next year. Party stand at Old Trafford. You won't go there either.

35:04Hollies stand at Borickshire. You go there. The, what they call, Western Terrace. Not there. That's evidently. That is part of what we do in Test Match Cricket.

35:14Michael Vaughan: But do you think that it's quite nice that Lourdes is different to those venues? No. You want Lourdes to go a bit like the Hollies and a bit like the Terrace. Or like the Oval. Oval's fantastic.

35:24Darren Gough: I don't like the Oval. I love it. I hate to say it. Probably because I didn't bowl very well. That's why I don't like it. But do you know, I think, and I've spoke to many England cricketers about this, I'll be interested in your opinion. As a player, and I've been in dressing rooms and we chat about favourite grounds in England cricket, Lords will always be up there because of the history and just turning up there and everything about it, right? The lunches, just everything. Then, head and lay, because pitch is always something in it for everybody. You can score quickly, score fast, quick boundaries, outfield for high scoring, well, it is.

36:00Darren Gough: And there's something there for a bowler, right? right even if it's flat there's something there if you get your lengths right yeah and then the atmosphere at Egberston those three for me Edenley Egberston and Lourdes and I think a lot of cricketers would probably say them those three what did you make of I saw Richard Thompson the

36:20Michael Vaughan: chairman's yeah yeah what did you make of his when he said oh you know we have a rotation rubbish but the rotation doesn't affect the overall lords no so the rotation is everywhere else rubbish I didn't buy into that at all no chance but if you if we are saying it's inclusive the game's inclusive and there's no ashes test matches in the north of England that's why the hotbed of cricket it's not inclusive I agree it isn't best five grounds

36:53Darren Gough: where have England got a bad chance of winning against Australia. Hadn't we done that? Yeah.

36:59Michael Vaughan: Well, Hadn't Lee, you'd say Old Trafford. Hedgebaston. Yeah. Got a good record. It's a real tough one and we're going to go over old but you want the grounds to try and, you want to encourage grounds to improve so you want to offer them, like Southampton,

37:13Darren Gough: Ashes should be the best five. Right, you can change it around for the others. Australia, what do they do? When they play England, they've only got six grounds, haven't they? Went to Tassie last time. We don't go to Tasmania though, do we? Went once and there's that COVID. Is that the Covid one? Don't count. Do you know what I'm saying? They play at the best grounds. The most popular, the public love. That's where it should be in this country. They've only got five, don't they? When we end up playing against Bangladesh or we end up playing against Pakistan at this moment in time, or Sri Lanka.

37:41Darren Gough: We've seen Sri Lanka. I've been a waste of time watching this the last three weeks, haven't I? Pakistan and Sri Lanka. But they should be playing on the other grounds. That should be played at Southampton or at Durham or... Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good. Or Cardiff. Cardiff and Bristol. Yeah, so then you can rotate it. Take your one day games into the game.

37:58Michael Vaughan: I agree. I think your Ashes venues should be... Look, you've got to have two in London. I'll create a difference. I think you have to have two in London. No, I agree with you. I honestly do. I think you have to have two in London. Lords and Oaks. I think you have to, Dave. The finances of the game are very important. So I'm saying you have to have two in London. The other three, it should be the board and the cricket management around that time. Where do we want to play? What is our skill set? What are the pitches that help us? Because winning an Ashes series is your legacy. By the way, not just a captain and a coach, but a chairman and a CEO.

38:34Michael Vaughan: Bringing the money is great, but at the end of it, if you've not won an Ashes series, you haven't won a World Cup men's and women's, you haven't reached a World Test Championship final, but you've got a few quid in the bank, people go, well, you didn't look after cricket. Well, go to your club. That's the big debate at Lancaster at the minute. They've looked after one aspect of the game or other business, but they've forgotten the actual crunch, which is cricket. Core business is cricket. Yeah, so that's what I would do in an Ashes. I agree with Goffey. Ashes series, India series, I think I'd spread it around.

39:01But for the Ashes series, where do you want to play to beat Australia?

39:05Michael Vaughan: Two in London and where are the other three venues? So you won at the Orville, one at Lourdes? Yeah, I think so. I think that's really important. Then you've got Edgson heading to Old Trafford. Is it next year? Next year. Am I right in saying there are four test matches in Lourdes, which includes the women's? No, that was... Sorry, four in London. Four in London next year. Well, there's a World Test Championship final as well.

39:28Darren Gough: And I hope the pitches are better than they've been there this year. Both of them being average, haven't they?

39:33Michael Vaughan: Yeah.

39:34Darren Gough: And that's unlike Lourdes. Look, there's always something that first morning, you play plenty, first morning you can get, if you're bowling, you can get... They know, they don't. ...a good day, you get three or four. This year, that pitch for both Test matches was average. But you know that they'll try and sort it out. They have to. They've got a... They have to. They're going to get dropped. They're going to get dropped. They're going to get dropped. They're going to get dropped. They're going to get dropped.

39:52Michael Vaughan: get droppings they'll sort it out they've been steaming the pig oh you've mentioned this how many times do you want to mention it i don't think they have i'm telling you what's going hey listen to this they've been putting potatoes they steam the deck well do you steam your garden no no what do you mean they have glued pitches don't they yeah they do glue the pitches they they're hybrid pitches we have dropping pitches i'm telling you hybrids are good i've been i've been told that they steam the pitch somehow. Put steam into it. I might be wrong. Just moving on, the spirit of cricket, the MCC spirit of cricket, Cowdery Lecture.

40:34You're doing it? Is it in the spirit of cricket that there is no ashes test match in the north of England? Are you doing that? Are you doing that? I think you should. Have you ever done it? I like it. Oh, you've done it.

40:44Michael Vaughan: You must have done it. I've done it last year. Run for me. It was a test match special. Run for me. I think you should do a spirit of cricket. with Bumble yeah I'll turn off for that yeah of course you will I would know I would it's lovely it's a good night the partner good spread is it some nice wine saying you get on this only like doing a cruise ship Bumble yeah did you ask him to go as well he's doing I've done I did years and years ago I've done I'll tell you how far years ago it were on the Queen Elizabeth the second which it would decommission it was beautiful lovely I would have done it once it was work on a cruise what you just go put night and say if you know morning 11 o 'clock you didn't put by one what you mean you perfect what captain comes on

41:28Darren Gough: Tannoy at 12 and then that's it you're done straight to boozer all down captain comes on do a lecture well you'd like it so you do a lecture got the slides got me a little show and then do it you put slide you have slide oh man well organized me got me notes and me he's got his notes here look I've got all sorts I like writing I've always when did this well organized Derren Goff appear always been there it's always been there it's always been there but it's like not the image you put out there in it when you're playing I didn't want to look as our So, Test Match Cricket, when he was playing, in his wisdom, him and Caddy, and Dean Edley and Fraser and them, how fast can a ball, if you remember, round the side of the ground, every delivery would come up.

42:21Servo warmth. 90 more. He comes racing in like you wouldn't believe. Woof! Balls this thing, comes up, 90 miles. I'm sat on the balcony, I'm just like, did you see that? He shouted up, did you see that? 90 mile an hour!

42:36Darren Gough: Absolutely. Yeah, I'm on a bonus of fighting ground free serve. Yeah, it was free 10 grand fastest ball at summer. I always tell Deva rub it in Dev knowing you said you're a fastballer quick I want it four years in a row pal Dev was quick.

42:52Michael Vaughan: He's getting free. He's getting one of them robots as well for the garden He's won one right? Yeah, and they saw take a picture of your garden So you know if your garden is small you get a small row if your garden is big you get a bigger one Yeah, it's a big battery. He's taking a picture of what? You take a picture of. Third hole at Centurion Golf. I'm getting a massive one.

43:14Darren Gough: Getting a four-gram mower. He's getting a hush-varner. Yeah, yeah. I'm a Cress. I've got a Segway. I've got a Segway. And there's no wires. You can do one with all your feelings. No wires. No wires. No wires. I like the no wires one. You've got to play golf cookie. I know you play at Warburg, like Henri, remember and that. But when you... You've got an honorary membership. Freeby, honey. You don't hear about that. From the Duke? Well, I invite the Essex boys... It's tough for being knighted, you get that? When I went back to Essex... I'll live near it. When I went back to Essex for the first couple of years, they were like, oh, can't we love to go and play Woven?

43:50So I got on the phone and asked the guy whether... Duke? I started by asking, sir. And anyway, he then put me into contact. Anyway, got a golf day, for 12, you know, three... What a wanker. Listen, I'm telling you the story here before... So I rang the Duke. We're on the three four balls, perfect, turn up, a bit of breakfast. Anyway, the Duke walked in in front of everybody and then presented me my honorary life membership. All the Essex lads thought I'd organise it especially to get my honorary life member. What, forever? There's a two-year waitlist, he's straight in. Very, very kind of them.

44:30He's got his old car park spot. Lovely guy.

44:32Darren Gough: Next to Poulter. Very nice. Duke of Ben. Can you get me on the 17th? Can you get me a tea time? It's so busy, isn't it? You're on the waiting list. There is a waiting list. Anyway, very lucky as well. Thank you very much, Woburn. Great golf course. It is, I've played it.

44:48Michael Vaughan: Nice courses.

44:48Darren Gough: If the Duke's listening, I only live eight miles away. Do you want an honorary membership as well? I'd love it, Woburn.

44:54Michael Vaughan: They don't hand them out to anyone.

45:00Michael Vaughan: Stick to Cricket is brought to you by Betfair. Should we just go over this quickly, Schranker, one day? Should we talk about it now? Not bothered? Well... Jax, he got five for a bit of a dodgy deck, wasn't it? Are we bothered? The games have just passed everybody by, haven't they? Well, these bilateral series, I can't buy in some. Middle of the football season? I just can't buy in some anymore. Yeah, but what's happened?

45:23Darren Gough: There's too much cricket. Let's be straight, though. What's happened to Pakistan and Sri Lanka? I mean, I was watching this. I spoke to another couple of teammates who I used to play with. I'll not mention the names. I love cricket, like we all do, right? And I watched that series, Pakistan, and I've watched the Sri Lanka one day. What has happened? How weather can be so bad? England have got a good one-day side, I think. Well, good T20 side. I think that T20 side is brilliant. 50 overs I think still needs a little bit of fine tuning but the 20 overs side I think is awesome but Sri Lanka how bad they lost against the Lions it is funny though because we you can get beat

46:02Michael Vaughan: India nearly lost to Japan they would have done it they lost against Hong Kong you're only 5 overs will it by the way I'll stick my hand up now stick my hand up now if England go on a tour to Japan I want to go I want to go to Japan

46:14Darren Gough: mate there's a tournament there D20 tournament end of October get your name in

46:18Michael Vaughan: I'm in Japan in October

46:19Darren Gough: well get your name down I'm going on a holiday. Mate, there's a tournament there. End of October. It is funny, though, we thrash them in the Test matches, everyone moans it should be competitive. I've never had an Aussie going, are we beating England 5-0? But I get your point. They are... I was at Manchester for the Old Trafford game and the power of those boys... Oh, lads. I haven't been to a 2020 game, like, and I was in the hospitality box, I wasn't working, as in, like, commenting. So I was close to the action. and those boys in the field I was the first thing in the field how good they were they're brilliant prop athletic they're brilliant they just bang it they bullied them

46:58Michael Vaughan: England now when we you know Flem's appointment everyone tells us everything's great in the game and I just look in and go I'm happy now just got to win got to win trophies got to win a five match series next summer you got to win it got to win the ashes the World Cup next year you've got to get to that final you've got to win it they've got enough now they're appointing Peterson Fleming McCollum Marcus they're spending a fortune Jonathan Trott with the line now it's about winning the talent and the skill set that England have can compete with everyone it's now just getting them over the line 100 % that Lions game against Sri Lanka you know you looked at the side you think I know it's the next generation down quite a few youngsters but you're thinking jeez and then Bantam whacked it they whack you like seriously just on the talent so what did we make Ben Stokes came out on Insta I think it was Instagram I don't even think the genius of KP could come close to what Harry Brook has talent-wise.

47:54Michael Vaughan: KP or Harry Brook, if you had to pick now, I'm not... No. KP and his pump, say, 2005, I think he was better than that in about... Where did he get that 100 in Mumbai when you won those? 2012. I reckon he was better in 2009, 2008. Right, so around there. That's when he's at his pump. Say Harry's at his pomp-ish now. He's probably going to get better, but say now, who are you having, KP or Harry? KP. I'm a bit... I'm going KP because he won his series World Cups and he's done it pretty much on his own on occasions. So when Harry dominates a series or does something like KP did in one of those big series, I think all around Harry...

48:36I think Harry's got the potential to go past KP. I will go to that. But KP sits down when he puts his... you know, sits and watches, he can say actually some of those big, big moments. Clearly, we were in 2005, but biggest moment delivered. Unbelievably.

48:54Darren Gough: Who's got the more talent? Harry Brook. If you're a coach... There? Kevin Peterson. Yeah. That's the biggest... I think Harry's stepping up. I think if you're a coach of Harry Brook, I'd quite like, just to say to him, do you know what, I'd love to watch you score 200. That'd be nice. And just walk away. I'd love to see you get two of them.

49:17Michael Vaughan: I have no doubt. Harry Brook in the England side, they'll have a, or they should, they should have a moment where they win Ashley's series and he's man of the series. He should. And I believe he'll win England a white ball trophy. You need your other 10 players, but I think he's that good. When Peter won the T20 World Cup in Barbados, what year was that? 10? Colley was captain. Kevin Peterson. He delivered. Was he player of the tournament or man of the match in the final? Both. Well, he's definitely played at the tournament. Yeah, so he's won England a World Cup, a T20 World Cup with his game.

49:52Michael Vaughan: I think Harry Brook's got it in him to win plenty.

49:54Darren Gough: I said it last time we were on there when I was working at Yorkshire and we had Brook and Root batting together at Gloucester, at Bristol. Not on a great pitch. And Rootie come and sat down with me after he got out. He got 80, I think, Rootie. Harry Brook got 150 in no time. He said, I'm glad I got out. I said, I told you last time. He said, I'm glad I got out. He's making me look very average. That's from Joe Root, right? His talent is off the scale. I remember first seeing him, Borny. You might have seen him before me. But I first saw him having throw downs. That's when I first saw him batting.

50:28Darren Gough: I went, oh, my God. And he was on, I'm going to say, he was on nothing at Yorkshire then. He was on about 30 grand when I went in. I went straight to the CEO's office. I ripped his contract off. I said, you've got to give him a new contract. It's ridiculous. I've not even seen him play a game. Should have kept him on 30 ground for longer. No, mate. Honestly, he was ridiculous. That was just having throwdowns. He got 500s, didn't he, in eight games, and then he got picked for England and not seen him since.

50:57Michael Vaughan: But he's showing, with his captaincy, he's a bloody good captain, you know. He sees the game quickly. And on Brydon Kars, I thought he spoke with great maturity. He said, he's obviously a very good mate at Brydon Kars. He said, I've spoken to him a lot. I think he just needs time away from the international scene. He's working on a few things behind the scenes and hopefully he'll be ready at some point in the future. So the White Bull captain coach, Baz McCullum, has also said he just needs to get his house in order. So, again, we're starting to hear comments through the media with a bit more maturity about players.

51:31Whereas, I reckon, a year ago, did he just stop?

51:34Michael Vaughan: That's nonsense, that. You know, this is the way we do it. We're quite happy. Whereas now they can clearly see that there's been... there's been a ruckus on the with the fans that the fans have been happy and then suddenly we're team around white boy we shall pick a thirsty 11 well we'd be in it we would know now we wouldn't they would be tough as a man so the cat the cat might where is where is loss sir is the camera he's not a massive drinker where's the law zipper I ring him he gets pissed where's the cat where is he He's not here today. He's not. I'll just ring him.

52:09Darren Gough: You'd have Kass though. Would you have Kass this winter?

52:12Michael Vaughan: Yeah.

52:12Darren Gough: I would have Kass. Yeah. Yeah. Not to open the bowling, though. Not to open the bowling. No. I'd have him there in the winter, in the squad. No, I'll tell you, he opened the bowling. I agree. No open the door.

52:26Michael Vaughan: Phil, Michael here. Mike, how are you, mate? We're good. We're just summarising England's last eight months in three or four words, can you just summarise for the show, please, what you've thought of the last eight months? What, in a few words? Just a few words, Phil. Utter chaos. Thank you, Phil. Thanks for that. Cheers, Phil. Bye. Bye. Utter chaos. What time is it? It's five o 'clock somewhere in the world. Where is he? Is he abroad? So that's Philip Tufnell's summarisation of English cricket in the last few months. apparently I put an invoice in for that shall we go on to county cricket final round it looks to me like Warwick's shirt they're 11 in front they've got Leicester shirt at home Somerset are at home to Surrey so they're going to have to get an outright and hope that Leicester shirt can produce some magic knots, who are they playing, they're playing the Yorkies at Trent Bridge and I tell you what, the second division is an absolute nipper as well you've got Kenton Northampton Northampton Northampton's going for one play.

53:30Michael Vaughan: And what about Northampton? Northampton's playing Middlesex. Middlesex. I know, but Darren, where's Lehman's quotes about... There was a game... Obviously, they came off from a bad light, didn't they? 20 needed. 20 needed. Northampton head coach Darren Lehmann says one of the worst advertisements for the county game was on show draw in his size draw with Derbyshire. Bad light and drizzle brought Northampton's pursuit of 349 to a halt when they needed just 23 more. runs with four wickets. Terrible. That could be the difference.

54:00Darren Gough: Mate, that's terrible. Can you imagine? Because Kent now are favourites, aren't they? Kent have got Gloucester at Kent.

54:05Michael Vaughan: That's his quote. It was one of the greatest advertisements for the four-day game. The pitch was unbelievable. And then, conversely, it was one of the worst advertisements for the county game. So they've obviously been brought off with 23 with the choir. So that could cost them because Middlesex aren't bad. So just go back again. It's bad light and drizzle. yep so as an umpire you've got to go off on you wasn't your lad no no he's doing the internationals um on the telly actually it's interesting is that you can't appeal against the light and it's all to do with litigation that that the umpires will have a light meter don't forget they've got a light meter and they will have taken readings throughout the four days and when it gets to

54:53Darren Gough: that reading they'd just go off all right then so one of England's greatest victories were in Karachi yes and I couldn't see I couldn't see him batting that's different rules then I couldn't

55:03Michael Vaughan: see him batting it with that they're slowing it down well that was when the days the umpire would say to the batter wouldn't they you're right to carry on if you as a batting pair would go yeah we're happy and there was some litigation came in it is the fear of litigation that if if there is an injury and we didn't go off and it's down to them. So they take the reading and once it gets to that reading, you go off. Is it not better to, you know, if you need four wickies, you're going to say, okay, we get one, we'll get two. Yeah, absolutely.

55:41Darren Gough: Well, Derby can't go down. They're individual anyway. They can't go up, so for them... But it's out of their hands. You look at Mickey Arthur, it's nothing to do with them. It's the umpires get to that read that could really cost them so if we got rest the North

55:57Michael Vaughan: Hans play Middlesex at Lowe's there'll be a result there yeah yeah I was there last night I couldn't see a cricket pitch Somerset-Siri there'll be a result there yeah you'd think so I just think Warrick's at home to Leicester sheet you'd have thought but Somerset at some stage have to win the league and you just think coming off as our after losing last week it's a lot if you lose last week you think I'm done and then suddenly before you know it things are cricket loves changes less is where do you sit where do you sit unless this you're getting docked 27 points right and the word is if you if you doctor that that's the color of the pitch that was dot it was bad did you see a couple of the balls that went through the top it was it was but all for a Bollywood we got it on the iPad yeah all for gang goole is a clip from last look at that

56:45Darren Gough: I mean we got done for Scarborough years ago when it were like that shaved at the ends remember what's the keeper doing stood up it's a new theory John John came up last week he

56:55Michael Vaughan: lasted one ball and it flew past his nose I've seen it but I didn't realize his helmet came on then the next ball rolls on the floor doesn't it it's like anything we copy it don't they

57:04Darren Gough: can't be cricket went through a period of saying oh let's all play like basball because that's what again is in the England team now all the keepers are standing up now on dodgy decks you're There used to be a directive to every county, this is the sort of pitch that you will produce. Now that's fine, but in different areas of the country you've got different characteristics. What's your pitch like at Chelmsford? What's the main characteristic? Quite low and nibbles. When we played, when I played, those last five years, it nips and spun. You started it juicy on purpose, so a lot of wickets would fall day one, and then there's a good result.

57:43Darren Gough: and then armour comes into it. But he also turned on day one. That's where Essings have always played. He used to spin on day one. I never seen him and spin. He used to rag. We're flat when I played there. Ronnie was cold. Ronnie, wasn't it? We're old. I just feel it's very unfair on Leicestershire

58:00Michael Vaughan: that they get dogged. And so many other... I see so many pitches week in, week out, which are spicy. Especially... Why that one club? Are they relegated now? Of course. Just about. Well, no. They beat Hampton. They won, though, didn't they? So it's 27 points. Is it 19 for the game, the points that they got? And is it 8? I think that's suspended, isn't it? It's suspended, the 8. No, 16, I think. 8 aren't suspended, is it? I thought it was 16. And then 8 of those were suspended. I don't know, because I thought they'd done 27 points only because Essex, if they weren't done 27, I think Essex. Essex's going to survive.

58:34They'll survive. They've had a bad run, haven't they, old Essex? Lost 4 out of 5. Unlikely to beat Glamour.

58:38Darren Gough: But has that been injuries and losing the best player as well? I mean, you lost armour. Well, I lost armour, I lost Cox. Also, I've only got 16 players on staff, really. You can't compete now. So, we were lucky when, five years ago, everyone was slightly younger, this and that. And we were lucky with injuries. But now, a bit older, a few more injuries. It's just that it, again, needs a bit of a... Not a reboot, it's not the right word, but... Reset. Reset. You get a few players, don't you? Yeah, no money to get players in.

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1:01:57Michael Vaughan: Lads, before we get to community questions, we've got a few, we've got some good ones, actually. We've got a bit of cricket district action. Harry, how does this work? Where are they? Same every week, Mike. There you go. You need to explain to Gothie about district. Cricket district clips come in, and we have to choose our best one for the week. Is that...

1:02:19Darren Gough: This is North Scott.

1:02:21Michael Vaughan: That looks a better pitch, actually.

1:02:23Darren Gough: He does, he looks true.

1:02:24Michael Vaughan: Northskarl, who are they playing? Doesn't say, but it's first 11. Let's see what happens here. Right, let's have a look. This bowler's only got himself to blame. There's the first one, caught unbowled. That's gone down. Bit of a goober, that one.

1:02:37Darren Gough: I used to hate caught balls. I never quite ready for them. I panicked. Different for a seam, a spinner. You were on your follow through, wasn't it? Here he goes again.

1:02:46Michael Vaughan: Good action, good leggy. Yeah, decent, he lands it well. There you go, next ball. A bit quicker. Oh, no, no, it's gone down again. Look at that.

1:02:56Michael Vaughan: To be honest, that would happen at the ice level, that. How to make an easy catch look impossible. There we go. Oh, no.

1:03:04Darren Gough: What is that?

1:03:04Michael Vaughan: Oh, no. Oh, no. No. What's happened? Oh. Oh, right. He's caught it in mid-on. He's caught it. He kind of misjudged it. Watch. And then he's kind of gone back on himself. Grabbed it with his right paw. This is a charity day. Come on, look at that stage. Bedworth. Bedworth CC look at the stands for me that's spider-man the size spider-man bowl he gets a wicket

1:03:29how is that allowed and this is it what two types of leaf oh

1:03:38no no it's like Archie Vaughan is it that's him yeah he's left it and it's it legs done

1:03:43Darren Gough: around the legs yeah around the pegs around the leg side I got leave it down there hey I got Patrick passing round my legs I'm not against like and this is the most entertaining single in village history

1:03:55Michael Vaughan: Let's have another good pitch short boundary Yeah

1:04:00Darren Gough: No,

1:04:02Michael Vaughan: he's dropped his body's dropped his body sent the young lad back to try and serve himself and then he's called him

1:04:13Michael Vaughan: He survives the young man's run out at the other end

1:04:17Darren Gough: They've all survived. How many did he get for that?

1:04:19Michael Vaughan: Which one we choose him? The run-out. Carnage. Run-out at the end. Youngster.

1:04:25Darren Gough: I like Spider-Man, though.

1:04:26Michael Vaughan: Yeah? Youngster. Youngster in the run-out. Right, some community questions to finish off. I'll tell you what, we'll just finish off. You was a quick bowler, Mark Wood. Retired from international cricket just a day or so ago.

1:04:39Darren Gough: Yeah. He was a quick and one-y. Fastest one we've ever had. Absolutely, I believe. I don't think he was the best England bowler, but I think the fastest by far, my personal opinion. Go on, Dazzle. Don't say lie, Wood. England's top six. Fastest? Since the war, since the second war. Okay. Wood? One. Armisen? Two. Flintoff? Three. That's Pace, yeah. You? I don't think I'd be up there. I could get up there, don't I? Devin Malcolm? Malcolm. Simon Jones? Simon Jones. Ooh.

1:05:14Michael Vaughan: Yeah, I forgot that. Good five, that. Good five. I must be, well, Truman, wasn't he? He was quick, wasn't he? Well, give off her. Just asking Dave, he played against him. I'd be quick off 14 yards. Fucking lightning.

1:05:30Darren Gough: With that drag, I'd be quick off 14 yards. It was one of the great lies when Brian Johnson said to him, it's a very quick bowler, this Darren Goff, the Yorkshire chap. He must be Yorkshire's quickest bowler since the war. I can go faster than that in my mic and a pair of Wellingtons. I don't think...

1:05:53Michael Vaughan: Right, so Woody's up there. He's a great character as well. He's going to slip into commentary and he's already doing it well.

1:05:59Darren Gough: I think reality television for me, for him, that's the first stop for him. He's made for it. He's made for it. You imagine him on the jungle. The jungle, yeah. I saw one out today. Stork's jungle.

1:06:10Michael Vaughan: Well, he's playing for... He'll be both, can't he? Yeah, but he saw him a couple of weeks. Yeah, it's on the way.

1:06:16Darren Gough: Lose a bit of weight before you go in.

1:06:17Michael Vaughan: Perfect. Right, yeah. Bumble, here's one for you, actually. Bumble, should Michael Carrick keep his job at Manchester United from Mr M. Goldbridge? What's he got to do with me? Well, the question says, Bumble, should Michael Carrick... I don't know. These are community questions that they come in. This is from Mr M. Goldbridge. To you. Should he keep his job? Well, I were at Chesterfield this week watching York City. Who gives a shit? That's the question. Should he keep his job? Oh, he seems a nice enough fella to me. Right, so, yes. Yes. Yes. Right, that'll do. Yeah. Well, what's his problem?

1:06:52Well, I don't know. Well, they're not winning. Well, they weren't in the transfer window, were they? They not got involved in that. What you see is what you get. He wasn't backed in the transfer window. If I were, what's he called, the fella who sent that? Mr M. Goldbridge. If I were him, I'd send that message to a Mr. Wayne Rooney. I'd ask him. It's his best mate, though.

1:07:15Michael Vaughan: Yeah, but maybe that's what they'll do on the show next time. Maybe they're talking about whether Harry Brook should be the best captain. Rooney and Carrick are best mates. We'll finish with this one. Come on. What are you doing? I don't know. Cookie, what's your best memory of Woody? Played a lot with him. I played a lot with him, but my best memory of watching would be that Henley spell when he came roaring down the hill. That was the quickest spell I've ever seen live. Caribbean. And then when he took the winning wicket to get Nathan Lyon out, that was amazing.

1:07:42Darren Gough: What about that spell? he bowled in the Caribbean his first five he bowled rapid that day I would watch that day I thought that is serious Headingley was all good Headingley 23

1:07:54Michael Vaughan: down the hill do you remember his run up where he used to sort of go backwards and go forwards who changed him Michael Holding correct yeah Michael Holding last one then what do we make of the news Jonathan Trott is to become the new head coach of the Lions for the winter. In one word, interesting. Right. Interesting. I like it. OK. I like it. I mean, I think he'll do a really good job. I think he's, again, you're talking about measured, sensible. You know, he's got... Jonathan Trott, this is. Well, I mean, anyone who can go to coach Afghanistan and do a decent job there with everything going on off the field for that, surely that's good experience.

1:08:37Good cricket brain. I think he will be good. Again, it's like...

1:08:41Michael Vaughan: Do you think it's interesting, though, that when Freddie was in that position, he had a two-year deal, didn't he? And Jonathan's only got a winter deal. Well, that'd be Fleming, surely. Fleming will say, I want to know. But don't you think that aligns Jonathan to try and probably see what's out there? Possibly. Yeah. Possibly. And also, yeah, just...

1:09:00Darren Gough: But he's done a bit of franchise stuff. He was in Belgium. His team won it, actually. Trotties. And that EuroLeague. So, look, I like Trottie. I think he's a safe pair of hands. I'm with you to go into Afghanistan get him to a semi-final those sort of players I think he did a terrific job I do think his ambition to coach England but I think he could easily be tempted by more franchise work he didn't do so well did he SA20 it didn't go well for him there so he lost that gig but I think I think he's still thinking if a franchise IPL would have been the golden ticket didn't get it Still young, aren't he?

1:09:42Darren Gough: I reckon a big county job will come for him soon. If he wants to do that. There's people like Trotty, for me, and Belly, and Foster. It's what do they want now? What do they want now? Do they want to keep doing franchise stuff or do they want to do county stuff? I don't know. And I think that's why I'm always pushing for English coaches because I think we've got some good names out there, right? And I don't think enough of them really want to do it that much to do a county job. What's Ian Bell's situation? Well, he keeps doing franchise stuff with the deli, does the deli stuff, he does the 100.

1:10:17Darren Gough: He does bits and pieces, doesn't he? OK. But I think, again, does he want to be a serious contender for the England job? Go and do a county job. Belly... You've got to... I mean, that is...

1:10:29Michael Vaughan: Well, just on that, is that the people that are being appointed at the minute aren't coming from those jobs, are they? I also think all this stuff is all about timing. So, like, he's come off the Afghans contract, not, you know, he's been in Glamorgan a bit and he's done a bit of Lions, a bit of Euro things, like just waiting for, he went for the England job. He wants work, yeah. Yeah, he didn't get it, but he wants work. And then if, just say, so he's got this winter, he's got the Lions thing. I keep going back to, Fleming's going to have a look at everything over the next six months and decide what he wants going for the next three or four years.

1:11:07Trotty will go, well, he's doing this for a little bit, and then suddenly, if Lancashire do come calling, or you keep saying Surrey, I don't know, or their situation, or another big job, and he goes, well, I haven't got a job. I want, I'm going to get there. Or England, they might say, I want him as assistant. And then you don't get to choose many, do you? As a coach, there's so many others, like, right time, right place, right for your family and all that kind of stuff. I think people like Bell, Trot, I issue, and they're just, you know, you have a job, and then you think, right, I haven't got a job now.

1:11:35if something comes at this time, then I'll go hole hog in there. But an IPL could come in and go, well, I'll do that.

1:11:42Darren Gough: He's in the window again now. He's in the window. And if something comes up, oh, I'm coaching England Lions. Brilliant. You've got to have ambition as well for the long haul in county cricket. And come back to Geoffrey Boycott's word, desire. You've got to have a desire. Particularly ambition. And you look at the two standout, county coaches are Peter Moores and Darren Lehman and then coming up is Richard Dawson doing a fabulous job down at Glamorgan but it is a long haul being a county Hard work Oh it's a tough You've got to love coaching I remember Andy You've got to win You've got to love coaching You've got to win You've got to win Winning for Glamorgan is very different at the minute from where they are than winning for Surrey isn't it?

1:12:30The Morgan, what they've done over the last two years is winning. They've gone from a second division side, been there for 20 years. Bottom. Bottom there. I've made the 20 years up to suddenly now, mid-table Division I and really competed this year. That is a really good job. And then in two years' time, if they've built on that, that is a winning job. Lastly, would you three revert back to just one championship or do you still like two divisions?

1:12:55Michael Vaughan: I like two divisions. I love two divisions. In actual fact, let's have three because... Put Lanks in it. They can have their own one.

1:13:04Darren Gough: We're booking them, sure.

1:13:05Michael Vaughan: Right, end of the show. Finish on that, Daz.

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