Jimmy Anderson Mistreated, Australia Beaten and England Underperform! | Stick to Cricket EP 67

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2:38Michael Vaughan: Everywhere you go. Right H. How's it? How's it? Morning. Morning, morning. Morning boys. Morning boys. Morning, morning. Right lads.

2:47Phil Tufnell: Christmas round the corner.

2:48Michael Vaughan: What's happening? Phil, you got your bat? Not too sure whether we'll get you up there, but what have you got? I got gifts.

2:55Phil Tufnell: I got gifts. Bringing gifts. Family enterprise. Ho ho ho. Wankish Chris. Wankish Chris. Okay. Wankish Chris. What does that mean? Who are they for?

3:06Michael Vaughan: Are they like your club? Are they any good?

3:08Phil Tufnell: Shit. with maybe with Lancashire sauce family enterprise oh no bit of cheese nice bit of cheap kick-ass cheese there we go lovely well I'll have a bit of tick-ass yeah I'll have that for I'll have that for Christmas dinner yeah Take that, pick our cheese. Cheers, coach. And the pierre's... They're not bad, is it? Not really. It's covered in wax, it'll keep. It'll keep. What have we got here? Oh, sauce. Henderson's? No, no, Lancashire's sauce. Oh, Lancashire's. I'm going to try that, Dave. Is it curry? It's very similar. Is it? Yeah, it looks nice. Spicy. A little bit. Oh, careful, Mike. Careful, careful.

3:52Phil Tufnell: Don't get it on me top. Don't get it on me top. Are we on, yeah? Yeah, we're in the middle. Lancashire's sauce. Oh, that's nice. Good. Oh, yeah, that's nice. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. Not quite Henderson's, but it's all right. Better than Henderson's. No, is it bollocks? Better than Henderson's. Fruity, that is. I'm telling you. Is it bollocks? You've got a shake of them. You have Henderson's, don't you? My fish. Yep. Beautiful. Liam Perrins. The Steel City. Bloody Mary. You have it in your Bloody Mary, dear? Well, I have Liam Perrins in me Bloody Mary. Oh, yeah, spicy. Yeah. Bit of Tabasco. Tabasco, that's it.

4:26Phil Tufnell: Bit of Tabasco. That's very nice. Salted pepper? Yeah. Oh, take one home with you. I will do. Thank you. Compliments of my daughter. Oh, well, thank you. I've got it right here. Thanks, mate. Where have you been, Dave? You've been in Valderrama, haven't you? Valderrama, five days Valderrama, Sottagrande. We've booked into the hotel Sottagrande, which is partly owned by Lionel Messi. There's a book behind the counter, C, Olé, all that, par for voi. Tough as his book. Is it? Yeah. What, in the library at Valderrama? No, in the library. Sottagrande. Oh, what was that? Yeah. Sottergrandy. What are you getting there?

4:58Phil Tufnell: Lemsip. Lemsip. I can feel something coming on. Oh, OK. Yeah. Harry, can I just have a normal brew?

5:05Michael Vaughan: You've been to Japan, Mike. Went to Tokyo. Lovely. Tokyo, then got the bullet. Very clean. Tokyo day. Tokyo! Got the bullet. Got divorced. Got the bullet train up to Kyoto. Kyoto. Fantastic. Kanishiwa. There's lots to do in Japan. So, a bit of sumo. Who was the chap? I saw it on Instagram. You were with like... Oh, Kai Sinat. Who's he? He's got the biggest Twitch account in the world. Oh. I was just coming out of a coffee shop in Kyoto. All of a sudden, there was this... He'll have been there. There was an entourage, a few cameras, and I was like, who's this? And it was Kai Sinat coming off this boat.

5:38Michael Vaughan: Who's Kai Sinat? What's Twitch? He's a massive Twitch. You know what a Twitch account is? So basically, this guy is live all day. He's on his own account, a Twitch account. He has 21.5 million followers. Wow. OK. What's he talk about? He came straight up to me. He loves to stick to cricket. Straight up to me. That me? He did. So, love your show. Oh, good lad. Unbelievable, yeah. Unbelievable.

5:58Phil Tufnell: Well done, Twitch. Oh, no, what's his name? Kai. Kai. On a Twitch account.

6:01Michael Vaughan: Kai, yeah, yeah. He didn't have a fucking clue where I lost him. I thought I'd get in there.

6:06Phil Tufnell: Good lad, yeah.

6:07Michael Vaughan: Yeah, so he was there. What else do you do? Yeah, sumo.

6:10Phil Tufnell: Did you have a nice ramen?

6:11Michael Vaughan: I did have a ramen.

6:12Phil Tufnell: I bet it was lovely over there.

6:13Michael Vaughan: Sushi ramen. Wagyu beef. Oh! Wagyu burgers. Wagyu beef. Absolutely fantastic. Very clean. You'd be good down there. karaoke they love it very clean yeah very clean they've got they do the sweet caroline and fulsome

6:27Phil Tufnell: prison blues well they do whatever you want suspicious minds yeah you can get that you get a lot but i'll tell you what it is i mean no one probably speaks it coming it's rolling around the go on go on you've been to japan where have you been oh how does that song go again go carry on Wait. The chain are coming. Running round the bend. I ain't seen the sunshine since I don't know when I'm stuck in fulsome prison. Life is dragging on. That's enough.

7:00Michael Vaughan: No, but what they've got in Japan.

7:02Phil Tufnell: It's good toilets.

7:03Michael Vaughan: Correct. I've heard all that. That's not good knowledge. I've heard all that. Wherever you go, so if you're in a nice hotel, they'll obviously a good toilet. In your bathroom, in the hotel, you'd expect a good toilet. I have the jack tree. You go, you go. Yes. You go to the train station or in a distant local pub, in the toilet. You want to stay there forever? You sit down in heated seats.

7:22David 'Bumble' Lloyd: I'm not sure I'd like heated seats, though.

7:24Michael Vaughan: Oh, it's lovely on your arse.

7:25David 'Bumble' Lloyd: We had heated seats in Sottergrande.

7:28Michael Vaughan: Sottergrande heated seats. But did you have buttons on the side that you pressed them and all of a sudden... Yeah.

7:33Phil Tufnell: You think it feels a bit soiled already, does it? What a soiled... Heated seat.

7:39David 'Bumble' Lloyd: It feels like someone's just been there before you. I like a fresh one.

7:41Phil Tufnell: It dropped about five kilos. Maureen! Maureen! You've just been somewhere, haven't you? I went to Isle of Wight. Isle of Wight? Isle of Wight, my mate's boat, lovely. Went over there to the hut, had a very nice lunch. You do that every year, don't you? Yeah, very good. Every week, I think. Well, yeah, it's good fun. Have you been anywhere?

7:58David 'Bumble' Lloyd: We went Devon, half-term, Saunton Sand.

8:00Phil Tufnell: Yeah, lovely down there.

8:01David 'Bumble' Lloyd: The weather wasn't great, but great week, though.

8:04Michael Vaughan: How was your golf, by the way? Did you play any good?

8:07Phil Tufnell: We played three days, and second day we came second with 39 points. What, Pears? Pears. We did all right. Who was your pair? Me and another bloke. And it was good. Does this bloke have a name or not? He will die in a minute when I think. Steve Fletcher. Oh, that's him. Me and Fletch. Fletch. Fletch. Fletch. He were at Vernon Building Society. Fletch. And he, so there's, you know, so the three days, and you change partners, he flex won two out of three yeah good player off off team we were playing off

8:47Michael Vaughan: uh 13 he got 18 shots tim bostock durham ceo all in one all in one did he i said we mentioned it

8:54Phil Tufnell: on this show all in one did he win anything for it um no he bought the drinks yeah he was a very generous fella tim very generous fella sometimes you get a car and stuff yeah it's not a game with his mate oh was it oh it was like a do i thought it was like a gold guy 12 of us oh okay yeah

9:15Michael Vaughan: well you play with your mates on the side you get all in one

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9:34Phil Tufnell: It's both Old Trafford's, you can dig a tunnel from one to the other. Thanks very much for all your service. Turn the lights off and we'll see you later.

9:42David 'Bumble' Lloyd: He's only been there for a week.

9:44Phil Tufnell: How's he? Where's that? It's a big start, isn't it? Yeah, but as in like... You know, slap round the face by a wet mackerel. Of those three series, I think is the easiest of the three. Otherwise, I'll be spin bowling coach and do it from me bed on Zoom. You know what I mean? I watched that Ballon d 'Or. Was it all fancy dress? That is the most Australian decision I think I've ever seen. No, you used to play for Arsenal, John Jensen. No toilet paper, they weren't. Double glazing, that's... You don't know your bone, you lads. Ballon bail. If it was a bowler. And the Ballon bat, if it was a batter.

10:19Phil Tufnell: Listen, he's an absolute legend of the game. He's the GOAT. Give him some respect. You're going to stick your contract up your f***ing arse like that. and I've gone out and I've gone to slam the door like that. It was a slow closing break.

10:34Michael Vaughan: Shall we start the show?

10:35Phil Tufnell: Yes. Yeah, go on.

10:37Michael Vaughan: Eventful. Who wants to go first? We're going to go straight into Jimmy Anderson. Your club, Dave, what? Well, yeah. It's had a bad year or so, hasn't it? Lancashire Creek Club. I would say this moment in getting rid of someone that's given 25 years service on the back of Bites sounds a phone call. Come and have a meeting. by the way, you're gone. I don't think it can get any lower than that, can it?

11:02Phil Tufnell: Well, both Unites, both Old Traffords, you can dig a tunnel from one to the other. Not far. They're both lacking leadership at the top. It's as simple as that. So would we have done it differently, we would have done. And, you know, I felt for him. I felt for him, for his standing in the game. Yep. I have no problem with... Paul Farber makes a decision. I have no problem with that. That's what his job is, to make a decision. You don't have to agree with... So Paul's the new director of cricket. New director of cricket. You can debate it or whatever. He's made a decision. It's the way that it is handled.

11:41Michael Vaughan: Well, let me just read this quote. Jimmy's quote. Go on. I went in for what I thought was a conversation about how the team moves forward. It wasn't a great year for the team. Being captain, I thought it was a chat about that. A couple of minutes in, I realised it wasn't a conversation. I was being told they thought the best way for the team to move forward was without me. I was quite shocked. It was quite brief.

12:03David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Go on. Just on the decision, right? So Farby and who's the new Chiefs that Peter... Richard Kenyon. Richard Kenyon have come in, right? Has Richard Kenyon anything to do with the club before? No. Nor is Farby. I know he's been around. Yeah. Surely, you've got someone who's been in the club for 25 years, even if he isn't part of the five-year plan to get back up to Division 1. I heard someone said, in five years, we want to be back at the top of Division 1. Jimmy's not going to be there in five years. Even Jimmy won't be there. Surely, you're having him to help you settle in the first year. You're going to help...

12:39David 'Bumble' Lloyd: I heard you're quite happy to take a bit of a pay cut, so it wasn't about the money. It was like, surely you have him around to help you that first year and then be like, right, send off he deserves. And they'd clearly have to move on at some stage. That's where the nets are. Downstairs turn right, that's where the lose are. A little bit. And also get to know the club before you make such a massive decision.

12:59Michael Vaughan: I mean, they've had such a bad year on the field, but Jimmy Aniston, 50-odd wickets at 17, player of the year. Joke. In the county championship, player of the year. Absolutely.

13:08Phil Tufnell: It's a really bad one. And he gets treated like that. No, I mean, listen, having said that, it's been done like that since I can remember. Thanks very much, mate. Thanks very much for all your service. Turn the lights off and we'll see you later.

13:21David 'Bumble' Lloyd: I'm not having it for this one. I'm not having it for this one. I think it's really poor.

13:24Phil Tufnell: It's kind of been like it. We are pretty good at doing that. Yeah, we are. At Wanks, we are pretty good at dealing with your iconic players in that way. This is a guy that's got an end named after himself. I don't get it. I don't get it.

13:37David 'Bumble' Lloyd: I don't get it. I couldn't agree more, but we've all kind of been there a little bit, haven't we?

13:44Phil Tufnell: You've got your P45 quickly, didn't you? Got my P45, went in there. She'd been top wicket-taken for the last three or four years. Went in there, we're going to... Yeah, just check that, wife. We're going to give you... Played there 19 years. We're going to give you a one-year, which I've sort of gone, OK, well, I don't mind. I'll do that. I'll show you. like that, and then they said, and we're going to review it after three months. Been there 19 years.

14:11Michael Vaughan: So they've given you a year, but we're going to review it after 19 months.

14:15David 'Bumble' Lloyd: They didn't give Jimmy three months. No, that's what I meant.

14:19Michael Vaughan: They didn't even give him that, did they? No. Were you on a 12-month contract then, or a six - or seven-month contract?

14:24Phil Tufnell: I'd just finished a three-year.

14:26Michael Vaughan: Right, but you used to have contracts from April to September, then it moved to March to September. Yeah, this was a six-month-er. Six-month-er, and they wanted to review it after half of the six. I went, you must have been a difficult child in the dressing room.

14:39Phil Tufnell: Well, I tell you, what was funny, I was really upset, so I threw the desk up in the air and all the contracts sort of came fluttering down like that. You did a Derek Chisora? Huh? You did a Derek Chisora through the day. I went like that. And I was going to make an art, and I went to make a big sort of exit, you know what I mean? I went, I tell you what, you're going to stick your contract up, you f-ing arse, like that. And I've gone and I've gone to slam the door like that. It was a slow closing door. LAUGHTER It went, ooh. I took a fuck off.

15:10Michael Vaughan: Oh, dear. Jimmy went on to say, I wanted to see out my career with Lanks. I don't know if my career is done. We'll have to wait and see. But it would be nice at some point if someone would let me retire.

15:23Phil Tufnell: Let him do it. Yeah. Listen, he's an absolute legend of the game. He's the GOAT. Give him some respect.

15:29Michael Vaughan: Simple as that. Do you think he'll carry... I mean, he's signed four and he's a part owner of... Of the night. The Napoli in the Italian T10. And that's very soon, isn't it? That's very soon. It's in Rome. What a trip that is. November 18 to 29 in Rome. Riva D 'Aci Roma.

15:47Phil Tufnell: Where do they play? Vatican? He's not playing. Small face. The Pope? I want him on my side. Crickering gods.

15:57Michael Vaughan: Well, I'm baffled of how a legend of 25 years. I'm just saying it's leadership.

16:04David 'Bumble' Lloyd: How's it gone down with the locals? It's gone down...

16:09Michael Vaughan: Like it should. 200 members, Dave. 200 members attended a meeting with the CEO, Richard Kenyon, and the incoming DOC, Paul Farbray, to Old Trafford, Monday the 26th. So I'm guessing the members had their say.

16:23Phil Tufnell: Yeah, Farbray was on a Zoom call. Right. And the members, disgruntled? Yeah, they were critical and disgruntled, but from my information is that the pair of them sport well and you see where you go. We're discussing, was it done properly? No, it wasn't. No.

16:42Michael Vaughan: How can you get the situation? The likes of Surrey have been mentioned. I believe Somerset have been mentioned. Two teams are at the top of the table of Division I. I'm hearing this. There may have been a phone call to Jimmy. Would you be willing? If you've got clubs like Surrey, Somerset and lots of others willing to say to Jimmy Anderson, we'll take you. We'll have you for particularly April and May. We've got 14 four-day games. We'll look to play you eight or nine of them next year. We'll take you on board. How can it be that a team that finishes second from bottom in Division 2 and he's had 25 years of great service to that club and represented Lancashire as well as anybody, they can't see that you can just get...

17:22Michael Vaughan: Jimmy, look, you're not going to play every game and your contract, we need to just renegotiate. Help everyone, certainly. We want you. You're not your captain anymore. You're going to get a new captain. He'll have gone, no problem. I just can't fathom why they wouldn't want that style of player in the dressing room when you're trying to build for the future.

17:38Phil Tufnell: And by the way, he got 50 wickets at 17. 51 at 17. Not my fault, boys. Not my fault.

17:45Michael Vaughan: Why do you think Paul Farbray wouldn't want Jimmy Anderson around? I don't know.

17:49Phil Tufnell: Well, I don't know the answer to that. What he said is that we're starting afresh. Yeah, and I can get that. He said it was an incredibly difficult decision. but we're going to do it without Jimmy Anderson. I have no problem with him making a decision. I don't agree with the decision. I have no problem. That's his job. It's the way that it's handled, with a total lack of leadership.

18:09David 'Bumble' Lloyd: I think... I do disagree with the decision. Yeah, that's fine. Because I think... That's fine. I disagree with the decision.

18:17Phil Tufnell: But it's his job.

18:19Michael Vaughan: Do you think Lancashire is an easier club to manage without Jimmy Anderson in it? Do I? Yeah, that's why... I'm looking at that decision thinking, why have they made that call? He wants a fresh start and he wants to be the king of pin in that room. And with Jimmy in that corner, he might be thinking... Well, don't you use that, though? I would think that it's stronger leadership if you say to Jimmy, you're staying in that corner while I'm trying to build. And I need you to perform, play, try and help these young players that we're going to no doubt have to try and play because they've not got bundles of cash to go and say they were going to sign seven or eight players.

18:57Michael Vaughan: They're going to have to do with what they've got. Why wouldn't you want Jimmy in that corner?

19:01David 'Bumble' Lloyd: He's only been there for a week, Farby. It's a big start, isn't it? Yeah, but as in like... The guillotine. I mean, I find it mad.

19:12Michael Vaughan: He's good man, though, Farbs. You know, Farbs, got very well with Farbs. He's done great in the game, hasn't he? He's been around the block, so he'll know what he's trying to achieve. Absolutely. It doesn't mean that we have to agree with his decision.

19:23Phil Tufnell: No, that's fine. That's fine. I mean, it's cricket and you can disagree with that decision, but it's his decision. You can't take that. He's not going to say, oh, well, hang on. That's not going to change. It's the way that it was handled at the very top. Yeah, you just don't get the... Hang on, hang on. Don't forget that this meeting happened on the Monday. Yeah. Nothing from the club until the following Sunday. Yeah.

19:46Michael Vaughan: But also, this decision was reported in the paper before public. Oh, Leek. Yeah. It's journalism. It's, you know, others. Mike Atherton wrote the story, didn't he? Yeah. So he's done his job. But, again, you'd be slightly put back, wouldn't you?

20:05Phil Tufnell: I don't think that you bring someone that has done what Jimmy's done in the game and bring him into a meeting and he doesn't know what kind of meeting he's going into. You know what I mean? I do, yeah. And you just spring it on it. That's poor. That's poor. You know, you've got to say, right, you know, you have the conversation and then you go in. You're just OK. Oh, come here, sit down, mate. What do you want a cup of tea? Oh, by the way, you're right.

20:27Michael Vaughan: You know Jimmy better than all of us, Cookie. I mean, England's, you know, his days with England came to an abrupt end without him really wanting to finish. Now this, how is he going to feel personally with these decisions?

20:38David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Well, I have spoken to him about it, and probably some of the conversation needs to stay private. And I just think it was a shock to him. He wasn't expecting it. And actually just listening to that podcast, you know, he was saying, is there something wrong? He's now questioning him himself. Saying, I'm average 17 and yet people don't want me around. It's probably quite a tough thing to ask. I'm sitting here going, I don't understand why you wouldn't want to have him to start off in your corner rebuilding, helping the rebuild. And if that means a slightly different job title, plays a bit, helps the academy bowl, get your legends onside.

21:20David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Get your players. and I think all cricket clubs should need... People like Gucci have been around Essex, apart from a couple of years at Durham, the whole life. Keep him on side, keep Fletchers there. You like that, Langs.

21:33Michael Vaughan: Your ex-players don't cutthroat. There's not much of a rapport, is there? There isn't. Nil. Millisex are the same? Very much so. Yorkshire have become very good with their ex-players. Yeah, they are. They're very good. They look after all the ex-players.

21:47David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Essex are trying. It's not easy, because you leave the dressing room and life moves on and you go I agree with that but it's still like most cricket clubs and I think they'd appreciate when you're an old player who's saved 15 years 10 years 8 years walks back into the club you want to make him feel welcome at the club

22:04Michael Vaughan: I would say so Paul Farrell Briggs is coming in I totally agree Dave he's allowed to make the decision he's the boss but I would question above Paul and the board and the CEO and you know for them to kind of agree with Paul to do that surely they should have said to Paul look you're coming in there's your contract for three years this is the plan for the next few years of what we're trying to achieve but you're not getting rid of Jimmy Anderson just not yet well I've

22:28Phil Tufnell: got him in for another year. I assume that when they talk to him and this is an assumption that what's your plan yeah I mean he must have declared that plan and

22:38Michael Vaughan: they've gone ahead with it but they should have said look it's you know it's just one year that we just need to look after Jimmy Anderson he's gonna perform

22:46Phil Tufnell: for you absolutely you know so i watch them i watch them and i'm thinking where so that 51 wickets has gone where are they going to come from because singdale signed and didn't play all season because of a serious injury serious injury so he will be fit for the start of this next season tom bailey i think is 36 37 been around a long time balls that line and length young balderson took 53 wickets 18s and 19s so he should do okay what what else though they'll have a few in

23:19Michael Vaughan: the coffers to go and sign and it'll probably be overseas that they have to go because most of the the kind of regional sign is that they're already done aren't they the ones that you really want they're done now also also you give him a year to go around county cricket and have a little wave but knowing

23:39David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Jimmy that he wouldn't want that in terms of like no in terms of like the He wanted to perform.

23:43Phil Tufnell: Of course he'd perform.

23:45David 'Bumble' Lloyd: But then just a little bit of, as you say, not going into that meeting and go, boom, slap round the face by a wet pack. He doesn't want everyone to say, but he averaged 17, you've got a bloke in the corner who knows your club inside out, get him onside, get him with you, driving that forward. Academies, there's so much he could do for that.

24:03Phil Tufnell: I don't think it'll ever change. I don't think it'll ever change. Well, if it's not going to change with Jimmy Hanson, it'll never change.

24:08David 'Bumble' Lloyd: 180 test matches. How many wickets have you got? 700 or something like that. And they're quite happy to... Just don't bugger off. It's really...

24:16Phil Tufnell: Needs to be a sign, that, though. Maybe that's a negotiation.

24:21Michael Vaughan: Maybe that's a negotiation.

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27:16Michael Vaughan: Right, let's move on. England. Please do. In the Tri-Series. When does that start? Pakistan. I quite enjoyed it. I do like the Triangulus. I like the Triangulus. I do like the triangles. And a buy. I just like the fact that there's a consequence as well. It's just a two-team series over the course of five matches. I love a final. Love a final. If you actually look at Baz McCullum's record now in tournament play, Champions Trophy, whenever that was, didn't win a game. T20 World Cup, semi-finalists. Now, this is another one, isn't it? You go over to Pakistan, there's three teams, you want to win it.

27:52Michael Vaughan: Didn't even make the final. The batting looks OK. We are. The batting looks exceptional at times. I do have a concern about this England whiteboard bowling.

28:03David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Yeah.

28:03Michael Vaughan: Why was Rash dropped?

28:05David 'Bumble' Lloyd: I know he wasn't dropped because he wasn't...

28:07Michael Vaughan: They fancied Liam Dawson. The one thing I said...

28:09David 'Bumble' Lloyd: I'll tell you what, when they're chasing 430, you want Rash.

28:12Michael Vaughan: Yeah, and also, when your last wicket's going for nearly 90 and you haven't got a leg spinner bowling...

28:18David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Yeah.

28:19Phil Tufnell: I'll tell you something, those two losses will be quite tough to take. I don't know how the boys sort of... You know what I mean? I mean, those two losses, in a funny sort of way, I think they played quite well. But, you know what I mean?

28:33Michael Vaughan: They got 430. Don't you think it's the story of the last few years?

28:36David 'Bumble' Lloyd: I'm with you.

28:37Michael Vaughan: Don't you think it's the story? Under Baz McCullum, they do play well. Yeah. You know, they entertain us royally. They do things that you go, wow, but they don't win. No. Well, that's what I mean. You go back to his test record. They didn't win the big series, but they entertain us royally.

28:52Phil Tufnell: I must admit, I turned off both of the games thinking oh what he was smashed this you know I mean was it nine down needing hundred I've took bargain on or something the Aussie South Africa series was on yeah yeah I was watching nothing oh that's done yeah I went to tip and the

29:08David 'Bumble' Lloyd: guy was at Tiff because you see Harry Bruce I was like yeah no chance I was just about to say if they chase this down I will but Jesus it was unbelievable

29:17Michael Vaughan: since the way since we're in the World Cup in 2019 England have played 86 one games I've lost 46 and 140 50 % yeah are we on track to win a World Cup in South Africa in what 10 months time these games just part of a let's look and see who've we got practice well we can't win over there to win a tournament we haven't

29:45David 'Bumble' Lloyd: won we got to go back to that question can England win that walk up absolutely they can yeah you think so with the bowling yeah because if like someone if Harry Brooke gets a double hundred I know he didn't win this one but you don't lose many like that I'd be concerned about England's bowling white ball cricket it's better on those pitches though who are they now

30:01Phil Tufnell: who are they now Zach Kingston Josh Tong

30:04Michael Vaughan: Henry Crokem play many's debut Henry Crokem Sonny Baker Joffre was rested then you've got Liam Dawson I was staggered that Rashid Rashid is a white ball player and he got dropped he's our best ever white ball

30:17David 'Bumble' Lloyd: but unless that's a kick up a backside to him

30:19Michael Vaughan: for someone that's played so long need a kick.

30:21David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Maybe. I just think it was a touch. What's his stats over last year? Maybe he hasn't bowled quite as well. But they needed him in those two games, didn't they? You're a better player out of the side. You're a better player out of the side.

30:30Phil Tufnell: Who is there then? Who are the other ballers that would be knocking on the other? They're picking the right players.

30:34Michael Vaughan: Sam Curran, he got dismantled with the ball.

30:37Phil Tufnell: Yeah. In the subcontinent.

30:38Michael Vaughan: Yeah. You know, I guess South Africa next year, Namibia, Zimbabwe, with a different condition. So the same element will come into play. That's why I think they'll be stronger there. But he said, look, it's another tournament. Another tournament that we've played in. and we've not got the trophies, so you can only judge them on that. Are you happy? Here's one for you. So a few weeks ago, they announced the Test match coaching team. So it was Stephen Fleming, Eric Simons has come in, James Foster, Marcus Triscothic, Richard Dawson. So they're the five that are going to take England forward in Test cricket.

31:12Michael Vaughan: Delighted.

31:12David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Heavy.

31:13Michael Vaughan: In whiteboard cricket, you've got Baz McCullum, you've got Jeetan Patel, who stays alongside him. I think Sarah Taylor's along there as well. Tim Southie was announced as the white ball bowling coach.

31:25David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Wasn't there?

31:25Michael Vaughan: He's not been in Pakistan. He's been commentating in New Zealand.

31:28Phil Tufnell: I don't get that.

31:29Michael Vaughan: Are we happy with that? I don't see many other international coaching setups where their coaches are commentating while their team are playing.

31:37Phil Tufnell: No.

31:38Michael Vaughan: Am I being too harsh to suggest that the white ball bowling coach should be in Pakistan coaching the white ball bowlers? We should be part of the contract, surely. That was announced. England's white ball coaching setup. The bowling coach was Tim Southie. I'm not a white ball coach, but you're not there. Absolutely. Are we happy with that? No, I'm not. Hang on, did they have a bowling coach out there? David Saker got flown in. David Saker was the guy that got flown into the Ashes last year when Tim Souther did the first test and then went to play in Dubai. So our test-backed bowling coach last year in the Ashes did one test and disappeared.

32:08Phil Tufnell: Yeah.

32:09Michael Vaughan: And he's a great guy. No doubt he's a good coach. Absolutely. But for me, it sits uncomfortably with me that England are playing a white ball game just ten months away from a World Cup.

32:18Phil Tufnell: Yeah.

32:18Michael Vaughan: I'll just allude to that. If it was football and we were ten months away from a Football World Cup and it suddenly announced that our keeping coach was commentating on another series and not a game with the England football team and our set-piece coach was filming a digital channel somewhere around the world like Kevin has done. Again, I'm not blaming Kev because Kev's coming as a consultant. He's not officially a part of the group. But you're kind of going, is that right?

32:42Phil Tufnell: Call me old-fashioned. You, tell me. It's very old-fashioned, but I would expect if you've been named as an England bowling coach for the series or the tri-series

32:54Michael Vaughan: or whatever series, you kind of go.

32:57Phil Tufnell: Call me old-fashioned, I agree with you.

32:59Michael Vaughan: They've got Henry Croakham making his debut. We're getting hit for nearly 90 with the last wicket pair. We're getting hit for over 400 and the white ball coach, bowling coach, isn't there.

33:10Phil Tufnell: And also, Coach, you'd probably know more than this. You build a rapport in those situations, don't you? You come back in, you talk to your bowling coach, you send in your little messages out there, crikey, we need this one wicket and we keep getting twatting about. So Henry Crockham won't know Tim Southey, I wouldn't have thought.

33:29Phil Tufnell: Crikey.

33:31Michael Vaughan: Let's be honest, Pakistan has a tour, it's not of the easiest tours, we get that, but even more so, if you're part of that coaching group, you've got to go with the lads.

33:39Phil Tufnell: You've got to go with the lads, of course you have. Otherwise, I'll be spin bowling coach and do it from my bed on Zoom. You know what I mean? Yeah, just pitch that one up a little bit more wider of our stump. There you go. Anyway, cup of tea, love, please. Does Dornie bring your tea in bed? Well, occasionally, if I've been a good boy.

33:56Michael Vaughan: Well, the batters, I mentioned the batters. Ben Dunkett, 346. Played nicely. 90. Harry Brooke, 252 at 63. Tom Banton's consistent, averaging 46. Will Jack's averaging 46. Tom Banton's thrown a cog in... Just thrown a little... I mean, Jacob Bethel will come back in somewhere. You've got Phil Salt. Phil Salt in tea, 20 cricket. I'm pretty sure but probably not 50 over cricket so who's that tough

34:18Phil Tufnell: as you said Tom Banton Tom Banton well what did you actually Banton I said Banton Tom Banton did you Tom Banton has played nicely hasn't he and he's thrown a little spanner into the works hasn't he because everyone's thinking Bethel and Salt and Salt and all that all of a sudden he's stuck his hand up

34:38David 'Bumble' Lloyd: so that put Ducky under pressure and he's responded with some runs absolutely

34:42Michael Vaughan: he's played well Ducky he's played nicely played really well England go to Australia, ODIs and T20s. The Aussies have just picked their ODI squad, actually. There's no Cummins, no Stark, no Hazelwoods, so they've rested the big lads. Understandable. Yeah, so England will play a second-string Aussie attack. They've got their full-strength bat and carries in there, Green's in there, so they're going full-strength with the bat. Very similar in the T20 stuff. Looks like they're resting everyone, because they've got... Who's the ball, is that? They've got Liam Scott. They've got Spencer Johnson, Jack Edwards, Marley Beardman,

35:17Phil Tufnell: Young Quick from Perth, Xavier Bartlett.

35:21Michael Vaughan: So they've got a second string bowling attack. Does that put more pressure on England? Well, Joffrey's back, so you would think England will go into that series quite heavy favourites. Yeah, they're full strength, aren't they? Yeah, full strength for the ODIs, not at full strength for the T20s. They've rested a few for the T20s.

35:37Phil Tufnell: We must remember, no butler, no butler, no archer. Archer's there for Australia, though, isn't he? Yeah, but I'm just saying, perhaps in that tri-series, if we'd have had... and Rashid. Well, they had the option, then. Yeah. Yeah, they could have played Rashid. Yeah, they could have done. I don't know why they didn't. He might not be bowling very well. He'd gone for a few in the matches, and so they said, oh, we'll play Dawson. And Dawson's actually played nicely.

36:02Michael Vaughan: Here we go. Bet fair odds for next year's World Cup. What do you reckon? Who's favourite? 7-2 5-2 in favourites India India favourites at 5-2 South Africa Aussies 10-3 South Africa 11-2 That's good money isn't it South Africa England England South Africa 11-2 New Zealand 13-2 West Indies 12-1 Bangladesh Not even in this list Not even in this list I can't see Bangladesh in South Africa No I can't

36:28Phil Tufnell: They'll compete

36:29Michael Vaughan: But I think it'll come from India, Australia England, South Africa New Zealand New Zealand 13-2 but South Africa and Lamford too.

36:36Phil Tufnell: I'll tell you what, you're right in what you're saying about not getting across the line. I keep getting asked those questions. I keep looking at the side going, bags and bags of talent. Bags of talent. We should be here. We should be here. We should be doing this. Don't get across the line in a tri-series in Pakistan. When's the bags of talent? Got to deliver. Not going to happen.

36:59Michael Vaughan: I hear words like phenomenal all the time. I do. From our kind of interviews that come out of the camp, outstanding. I hear it all the time. Which they are, they've got some talented boys. They're great to watch, but you've got to win. You've got to start winning trophies.

37:12David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Do you have to lose before you win?

37:14Michael Vaughan: Well, they have lost for a few years. I would argue in the next one, we'll get on to Aussie South Africa. That Test Series has been fantastic. England play South Africa for three, Bangladesh for two away. From what I see already, I think the Aussie Series next summer, the five here in the UK, of those three series, I think is the easiest of the three. What is it? The Aussies? I think you're right. I absolutely do. South Africa away from them. They're the best team in the world. Bangladesh in their own backyard. Two tests on dusty ones. We're not even picking our best spinner. We'll get on to that.

37:48Michael Vaughan: And then Australia at home. We haven't lost against Australia here in the UK since 2001. I'm not wrong in that. That is the easiest of the three next series. I think you might be right.

37:57Phil Tufnell: South Africa for three over there is going to be tricky.

37:59Michael Vaughan: Our team, they are now.

38:00Phil Tufnell: Yeah, they are. They're just solid. they've got more solid in that sort of middle.

38:04Michael Vaughan: I'll tell you what, is that Bavuma knock in Port Elizabeth, when his team were, was it 50-odd for five? 40 for four they were. 40 for four, Bowling had just nipped a few out. They had a strong back ball. Strong back ball. Yeah, that was always their kind of conundrum, wasn't it? South Africa, did they have a real depth of strength? Barmer. Well, let's get on to spin. Stick to Cricket is brought to you by Betfair. So England are going to start there. From what we've seen, so Durban, there was a little bit of juice. They put a bit of spin. Port Elizabeth, it did a bit when it was green, but then Harmer played a nice role in the second innings.

38:42Michael Vaughan: And obviously Cape Town, that was like the best test week. It probably could have done with a bit more pace, but it had a little bit of zip, and then all of a sudden it had a little bit of tweak. And England have named 39 centrally contracted players, and Jack Leach isn't one of those 39 contracts. He's the best spinner in the UK. You've got to think that you're going to need a spinner in Cape Town, from what we've seen. Not too sure about Joburg, not too sure about Centurion, but particularly Cape Town. And then two tests in Bangladesh. So that's three of the next five. Yeah, you've got to have a specialist.

39:13Michael Vaughan: Surely you'd want your best spinner.

39:14Phil Tufnell: Yeah, got to. So why have they jettisoned him?

39:17Michael Vaughan: No idea.

39:18Phil Tufnell: Because he's a solid citizen. He's a great guy. He's got loads of wickets. Shedful.

39:24Michael Vaughan: And there was a graph I saw recently of how much further he is ahead of all the spinners in the game in the UK. Yeah, massive. over the last few years. He just delivers. And when it's ragging, it's just perfect. Yeah, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump. Like Montemont's I used to.

39:36Phil Tufnell: Thank you very much. The bloke at yours is good. Don Bess. Very good. Who played alongside Jack Leach.

39:41Michael Vaughan: So I think Marcus North said they will be selecting from the 39. Again, it's absolutely fine for him to say that. And then you've got Liam Pattinson-White, you've got Mason Crane in there. And then you've got, I think Stephen Fleming on the show you did on BBC Five Live said, oh, you know, test cricket's changed. Yeah. Using a lot more part-time spin. Yeah. Simon Armour's not a part-timer. You put a part-timer into that Test match, you put a part-timer for South Africa in that Test match, they lose that game. Well, there's a chance. An out-and-out spinner, and he completely out-bowled Nathan Lyon.

40:11Phil Tufnell: Bit of old school, a little bit of up and down. Nice and slow, a little bit of up and down spins it. To be fair, he delivers every time.

40:18David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Good, brilliant. Great catcher. Turning wicket like that, we all know, I mean, I don't know, you all know the pressure of one man to bowl out double-shoot in the fourth inning. You'd rather it spin in the knot. Yeah. No, it's got to spin, but it still puts pressure on.

40:31Phil Tufnell: Especially once they get that start.

40:33David 'Bumble' Lloyd: You then go, I've got ten foot. Correct, absolutely. And for Essex, every time he outbowled the offense. Proper, proper, proper. Without, no, he's not a mystery spinner.

40:42Phil Tufnell: No. Just quality.

40:43Michael Vaughan: I'll tell you what he does cook. And you stood at first. He's brilliant at setting his fields. He creates the theatre with his fields. So he does surround the bat. You watched the way Nathan Lyon bowled on day four, when the Aussies had a 100-run lead. and he had cover point on the boundary. He basically said to them, you know, you can knock it around for once, I'm not going to get hit. He didn't offer the boundary enough. If you offer the boundary, you're going to get the mistake. Yeah, joint, little one through.

41:08Phil Tufnell: Never cut an offy. Never. No. Never pat a pun in. What I did see from Australia was they made some mistakes, didn't they? The toss. Toss? Selection? That was a NASA decision, wasn't it? It goes down in that. Now, I know it's easy to say that, hindsight.

41:27Michael Vaughan: It was a beautiful...

41:28Phil Tufnell: But they played Lion at Durban, somewhere.

41:32Michael Vaughan: No, no, so Lion played in Durban. He had a bit of an impact, but he had a brilliant partnership with Renshaw. Not saying he's in for his batting. A week after at Port Elizabeth, they don't go with a spinner bowl and comes in, so they go four quick. Yeah, yeah. And obviously, he did a bit on day one, so they're justified. And then all of a sudden, it flattens out, and they were desperate for a spinner.

41:49Phil Tufnell: Yeah, that's it.

41:50Michael Vaughan: So they probably got that run. They didn't go to Cape Town, Steve Smith on the morning of the match. He didn't play. He pulled out with a neck problem. So then Pat Cummins goes to the toss and wins it. Beautiful day. Not a cloud over the mountain. That's a ball. That's a ball. Six mils of ground. That is the most Australian decision I've ever seen.

42:07Phil Tufnell: There was a couple of ones I've sat down going on.

42:09Michael Vaughan: When your strength is in your bowling. I know. And your batting is kind of your...

42:13Phil Tufnell: Easy to say in hindsight. Inexperience. Easy to say in hindsight, I know. But there were just a couple like, hold on a minute. You're sort of fighting against yourself here. You know what I mean?

42:22Michael Vaughan: The one thing I said with the Aussies in that series, They've lost 2-1, so they'll be disappointed, but they've found Renshaw. So he's come back and he's a good player now.

42:29Phil Tufnell: Yeah.

42:30Michael Vaughan: And they've found Josh Inglis. So they've actually come out of that tour with two batters that you think, yeah, they've got futures in... And Boland has to play? Oh, Scotty Boland.

42:38Phil Tufnell: What's he had to do to play? Averaging seven. I don't think I've ever not seen him get fired. And he got 40 of the bat. Yes. He got 40 of the bat. So that's why the captain's come back and said, we've lost, but we've done OK. His interview was saying we're fine.

42:53Michael Vaughan: What about, not that I enjoy it. Here we go, Scotty Boland. Scott Boland has played 20 tests. He's taken 87 wickets, 18.44. He has won 15, lost four and drawn ones. Australia win percentage with Boland since his debut, 75%. Australia win percentage without Boland since his debut, 52%. So basically a win when he plays. How old is he? He's old, so... It's irrelevant, isn't it?

43:21Phil Tufnell: Well, he's fit and strong. 36. Yeah, I think he is 36. Well, there again, they've got themselves in. 37 he is. See, they've got themselves in a little bit of a pickle with that selection, haven't they? You know, liar.

43:35David 'Bumble' Lloyd: They're trying to back on the Hazelwood.

43:37Phil Tufnell: Yeah, but they seem to have got themselves in a bit.

43:40Michael Vaughan: I'll tell you, as a spinner, do you ever get to a stat, as a batter, I think, down the back end of you, you can sometimes protect yourself. You're just desperate just to get a number to protect your average. Yeah. Does that happen with bowlers? So I looked at the way Nathan set his field on that day four and it wasn't aggressive, it wasn't attacking. It was like, OK, I just don't want to get hit.

43:58Phil Tufnell: So you get into that mindset. Well, you can do, but then that is the mindset that will eventually then destroy you. If he knows that I'm vulnerable, they keep thinking about dropping me out, so therefore I'm going to go... I'm going to go two and a half and over and just wait.

44:12David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Or is it the fact that they just think, I'll just hold the end?

44:15Phil Tufnell: Yeah.

44:15David 'Bumble' Lloyd: As in, he's got into that mindset of

44:17Michael Vaughan: use the three or four quicks the other end,

44:19David 'Bumble' Lloyd: I'm just holding it. Absolutely.

44:21Michael Vaughan: Day four it was spinning. There was a lovely omelette. You call it the omelette. There was a great omelette outside. Jansen and Stark. Throughout his career,

44:27Phil Tufnell: Wayne has been an attacking bowler. Yeah, he has.

44:29Michael Vaughan: And what about Cameron Green? I was about to bring that. They protected him to not face Simon Harmer. So Cummings... I saw that. Batting at four. I saw that. I think Cummings went, I'll play the offy. What number was Cummings back?

44:43David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Eight?

44:43Michael Vaughan: Eight. Eight or nine. And then all of a sudden, South Africa's smart guy, we have to try and work it that he doesn't. Protect our four. The first ball that he switches then, he downs and downs him through the gate. It's strange. I mean, an off-spinner, and you're being protected. Come on. Can't be right, can it? I don't know. I mean, if someone's bowling 95 miles an hour at your Swede, yeah. But not number four. Not just off-spin. Off-spin. Never number four. Oh, I'd say he's a proper off-spinner. Oh, he's a good bowler. Pat Cummings said, we are a really good side. Tough opponents away for a moment.

45:12Michael Vaughan: It is always really difficult. We will have a couple of weeks to digest. Overall, relatively happy with how we are going. Look, they do compete. They compete all over the world.

45:22Phil Tufnell: Well, there you go. They had them 40 for four. And then Bavoumanoc. I think there again, at Cape Town, they was... 100 in front. 100 in front. Should have been more. What about Labashade? Oh, he's falling everywhere. I mean, the pundits, Ricky Ponting and David Warner, have flown in. They've absolutely piled in. He's played 40 test matches. He hasn't gone bloody 100, has he? No, that's I'm stuck with longest run.

45:47David 'Bumble' Lloyd: It's a long movie.

45:49Phil Tufnell: We're a top order of 40 He said he ate a bunch of 48 knocks. Oh 48. He seems to be quite a lippy block on the oh, he's a good lad Apparently easy. Well, no, he's not chirpy. He's in your face. He's you know, sledging and everything

46:03David 'Bumble' Lloyd: It's hard to sledge that when you ain't scored a run

46:08Phil Tufnell: Quiet please. Oi, Labashain come here score some runs One of the things we've got is that.

46:13Michael Vaughan: Lab is showing he's not scored a test 100 since 2023. His test average is 23-34, 24-30. 2025 he's averaged 20 and this year 24. I mean, he's gone. He's gone now. I actually thought he should have gone after the second test. Who else have they got? Steve Smith will come back in. My guess for their first test against New Zealand, it would be Renshaw, Head. Smith will bat three. He won't bat three. I think he will. Cameron Green will bat four. Or vice versa. English five. English five. Or Webster. Carey six and another at seven. Whether it's Cooper Connolly, whether they try and put McSweeney in there.

46:55Michael Vaughan: Or someone like Curtis. McSweeney can bat three. Curtis Patterson's having a good state season. He's started nicely.

46:59David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Smith ain't batting three now, is he?

47:01Michael Vaughan: Not at this time. Maybe they put Curtis Patterson to bat number three and everyone just moves down one.

47:05David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Have you ever just gone on Lavashane? I actually understand why you keep backing him. in the fact that at one stage he was the best player in the world. Absolutely. Two years ago. Averaging 60. Just kept on scoring runs. Then he goes back to Glamorgan, scores loads of runs. Queensland. Queensland, isn't he? Yeah. Scores loads of runs. So you always think, well, he is the best player. It will turn around. I don't think I've ever seen a player not as good as he was then to average. How does that happen? I don't know. I'm just going to ask Skipper. You see a lot more of him. I don't quite understand how he's gone from there.

47:41David 'Bumble' Lloyd: It must be technically.

47:42Michael Vaughan: I think the Aussies over the last two or three years have always looked at it. You know when you've got the average 60? They dissected when he was scoring runs and the amount of fortune that he had. So the amount of times he was getting dropped. And he was getting dropped a lot. And I always remember two or three years ago, Mark Ward used to say, God, he has a lot of arse. Does he? Well, yeah, there's a few like that. Maybe his arse ran out. But if you look at, someone did a breakdown of his four years of batting. Yeah. And his stance on the release of the ball. and in 23, which was when he was averaging 60, his head and his hands were in line.

48:15Michael Vaughan: Go and get your bat, Phil. Oh, yes. I've done this for a while. Go and get your bat. I'll show you. So in 23, release of the ball. I don't know what you're talking about, though. Right, release of the ball. So you do a little trigger and get your hands up. Right. So that's, in 23, that's outside the line. So his hands and head were inside the line of... In the box, in the box there. Inside the line of off-stump. Nice and tight. So from that position, he knows exactly where his off-stump is, where to leave, what to play, better balance. Yeah. In 24, it went head a bit more. You're looking at the ball this way, Phil.

48:46Michael Vaughan: Yeah. And his hands came out a bit further. So on the release of the ball. Yeah, eyes are over here. So his off-stumps move with it. So he's probably playing a lot more balls here, thinking it's on off-stumps, looking off. LBW comes into the equation because your eyes are outside the line of the ball. Yeah. And then 25, it was even further. Right. Was it? And then 26, he's out here. So his actual alignment of technique over the course of three or four years... It's changed. It's changed. I mean...

49:13Phil Tufnell: Whether that's just stress and pressure... I have seen a couple of his dismissals where he's almost, like the one he got Rabada, he's almost getting tanged. You know, his back sort of like, and he's just hitting him on the pen. How many times does he leave the ball and gets whacked on the pad? A lot. And then the one time that he does want to have a little poke at it, you nick it. And that's, you reckon, because hands have got wider.

49:36Michael Vaughan: There was something that Adam Collins said something interesting on Sky on Sunday morning and he said He was dropped from the test side last year went back to Queensland got 100 Got five and he actually came back into the test team too soon Didn't give him enough time just gone back and playing just try and find his flow again. Yeah I have no question. He'll have another go at it. Oh you reckon? Yeah. Yeah. He'll score him. Yeah, absolutely

50:00Phil Tufnell: Shut up Perhaps he should shut up and get some runs. He seems to me to be, what can I say next? You're probably doing that because you know you're not getting any runs and you want to be that extra bit.

50:14Michael Vaughan: I'm going to get you a quote up from Harry Kane. Does he know Marners? Does he play, does he?

50:21David 'Bumble' Lloyd: It's a good quote.

50:24Michael Vaughan: Ballon d 'Or winner. Harry Kane, it's not Ballon d 'Or.

50:28David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Would you have brought the trophy out with you and then you miss a penalty? Yeah, he hit the bar, didn't he? Yeah, the cricket and the football gods didn't like that, did they?

50:34Michael Vaughan: There you go, Harry Kane. He tweeted, Work hard in silence. Let success be your noise. That's what he needs to do, isn't he? Absolutely. Listen to Harry. Yeah. Listen to Harry.

50:47Phil Tufnell: I watched that ballon d 'Or. Was it all fancy dress?

50:53Phil Tufnell: It's a great... It's wonderful. Make it fancy dress.

50:58Michael Vaughan: Talking about fancy dress. David Warner. David Warner after the series loss in SA. It is terrible. It is un-Australian. There is no fight whatsoever. It is disgraceful. The batters have let the bowlers down all series. Renshaw showed fight in that first test, but I think the batters have been utterly disgraceful.

51:20David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Strong from Warner. Yeah, he sat on the fence, hasn't he?

51:23Michael Vaughan: No. Not taking Davey long, is he? No, he's gone tight. That's strong, worse disgrace. I mean, the last day batting in Cape Town, not the best shot selection.

51:34Phil Tufnell: No, but you know, if you lose a couple early doors and it starts turning a little bit, it doesn't matter how hard you're trying. If you're a pundit, you want to give your opinion. Nor use being a pundit and saying no to it. Well, there you go. He said something, didn't he?

51:48David 'Bumble' Lloyd: He might have gone up there. I watched it, actually. I did see the clips. I thought I'd better watch it. Was it Brendan Julian next to him? Just giggling. You could just see him smirking, didn't you? I enjoy I was like yeah an Australian smirking at it what's an Australian I

52:04Phil Tufnell: don't know I didn't quite get that I like playing at same disgrace I like a fight yeah it's funny isn't it and I watched a lot of that series and I thought the

52:14Michael Vaughan: Aussies did fight I just think that's all both sides did I think at times they just were found out with the quality in South Africa a world-class it's interesting that gets at the top of the order now the new lad Ackerman they still

52:27David 'Bumble' Lloyd: They've still got holes, haven't they? Rickleton. You still think you can get at South Africa?

52:31Michael Vaughan: Jetski?

52:32David 'Bumble' Lloyd: No, what's his name? Not Jetski. Brett Ski? LAUGHTER

52:37Michael Vaughan: Jetski? How much are they? LAUGHTER Good on second hand.

52:43Phil Tufnell: Mulder, he's a good cricket. Yeah, good cricket. What a hundred he got. Because they were in trouble there. They were in trouble there when they came in. And then they just boom, boom, boom. That's why I think South Africa have got a little bit of steel. And fair play to the selectors for then.

52:55David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Rickerton opened in the first game, didn't look great. Straight back then. Rickers. The keeper, Verandah, who's got a good test record, but not against the top nations. He's gone. Rickerton back at six.

53:07Michael Vaughan: Also, this young kid that's come in, they obviously thought,

53:09David 'Bumble' Lloyd: he's ready.

53:10Michael Vaughan: Is he young? What's his name? He's new, isn't he? He's fresh out of the box. Is he 30? Who's that?

53:16Phil Tufnell: Is he 30? I thought he was 30.

53:17Michael Vaughan: Who? Well, he's good for a 30-year-old, isn't he? No, no, no. I mean, brilliant.

53:23Phil Tufnell: Lovely player. Is he 30 or have I just made that up? I don't know. John Jenson, the best all-rounder. Who? No, he was playing for Arsenal, John Jenson. LAUGHTER Jenson! Marco Jenson! Marco Jenson! Marco Jenson! Arsenal's been to laugh. LAUGHTER What's he do with playing for South Africa? What a goal he scored. He's the only goal he scored for Arsenal. We're about 40 yards away. Who's that, Marco? Marco or John? No, but... That's all-rounder in the world. Oh, absolutely.

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55:31Michael Vaughan: Right, community questions. Let's finish with a few of these. We always ask who has the best cover drive or pull shot, but who has had the best leave? That's from a Mr. G boycott in Yorkshire. Best leave? No, Presbury. Who's had the best leave? Marnus, obviously not. No. Oh, Mark Benson. Benson of Kent. Courtney Walsh. Courtney Walsh. Yeah, Courtney Walsh. Great shout. Here we go, we're coming up to Christmas. What date is it appropriate to put your Christmas decorations up? Never take them down. You send me the first time going. Send me the first time going. I bet you don't have any, do you? Yeah.

56:11Michael Vaughan: You'll have a tree. Bollocks. You don't even put a tree up. Come on. No lights, nothing. When you're a kid. What about trick-or-treat night?

56:21Phil Tufnell: We didn't have enough money when we were kids to put trees up. We only got six pieces and an orange. It were hard work in them days. There were no central heating, no toilet paper there weren't. Double glazing, that's... You don't know your born, you lads. Used to go out and lick gravel and roll. That's all we did. We used to sit round my uncle, he had a peppermint on his tongue, so he got warm.

56:44Michael Vaughan: Trick-or-treat night last Saturday, did you...? No, what he does... You do give gifts away to...

56:48Phil Tufnell: Fuck off!

56:48Michael Vaughan: Yeah.

56:50Phil Tufnell: Absolutely. Senotapes a bag of Erebos to the door and says, take one and fuck off. Oh, dear. Come on. Set the fucking dogs on you. Go on.

57:03Michael Vaughan: Here we go. Harry Kane has become the first English footballer to win the Ballon d 'Or since Michael Owen. Yippee. If there was a similar award in cricket, which English players would have won it and when? What, the fancy dress? We've got one here. Alistair Cook, 2011. There you go, straight in. Freddie in 2005. Freddie in 2005.

57:24Phil Tufnell: Yourself when you got to number one, perhaps? Ah, come on. No, all right. What would it be called? The Ballon... Stump. Ballon. Ballon door. The Ballon door. Ballon seam. Ballon seam. Ballon bail. If it was a bowler. And the Ballon bat, if it was a batter. Good idea. All rounder? Le Ballon de Bat. I don't know if it was a bat or a bowler.

57:53Michael Vaughan: All the B. We'll finish on this one. We'll get into our crystal ball, all of us. I know Jimmy's playing in Napoli. Or for Napoli in Rome in a couple of weeks' time. I'm guessing the first championship match is April the 6th. Third or something like that. Who's Jimmy Anderson going to be playing for?

58:18David 'Bumble' Lloyd: I'd love to see him running down the hill at Essex. I can't see him at Chelmsford. I'd love to see him playing at Yorkshire.

58:26Phil Tufnell: I can't see Yorkshire. So you're not going to go to the smoke? Bit of Surrey? Have you heard? With the gaffer? Just for a year, doing what you said, just teaching the boys. Gaffer can spot a player. There's a player there.

58:41David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Back at Old Trafford? Just for a year? Could there be a U-turn?

58:44Phil Tufnell: Could there be a U-turn? No.

58:47Michael Vaughan: Why not?

58:48Phil Tufnell: I don't think it will. Due to public demand. I know what you're saying, but, you know, a guy's made a decision. He's not going to change that.

58:58Michael Vaughan: Who's he going to be playing for? I'm going to say he's not.

59:02Phil Tufnell: Are you going to ask that? That's it. Well, all I'll say is he's as fit as a fiddle. Not saying he couldn't. 51 at 17. I'm just saying he might not.

59:11David 'Bumble' Lloyd: He's been picked to the bollocks a couple of times, hasn't he? Yeah, wonder if Lancashire can't get a wicket in their first three games. He's bowling for Alderley Edge.

59:18Phil Tufnell: Getting seventh. Scooping it round corners. He might do well in Italy. Might do. At Spherick. Mount Etna. Swinging road.

59:26David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Mount Etna. Mount Etna. Cloud cover. Please tell me Mount Etna's in Italy. Well, it's in Sicily. It's in Sicily.

59:34Phil Tufnell: It's in Sicily, which is Italy, isn't it? Who's Edna? The Edna? Everidge. Name Edna.

59:40Michael Vaughan: Can we finish with some predictions? England, Australia, 50 overs, T20, and then England and South Africa. And also we'll add in Australia, New Zealand, four Test matches. Gosh, a lot going on. It's a lot. England, ODIs, I think England will win that. I think they'll win... Against the Aussies? I think they'll win 2-1. Against Australia? Yeah, I do. In Australia? Yeah, I do. England don't win. No, but they'll win that series. It's not a trophy reel. I'm talking trophies as in World Cup, Champions Trophy.

1:00:06Phil Tufnell: And Australia have picked a second, the 11th. Yeah, I'm going to go England win.

1:00:10Michael Vaughan: Yeah. ODIs I think it'll be closer because England are resting a lot there I think that'll be close oh see he trying to see Ozzy Ozzy let's go Ozzy New Zealand test series who are these Kiwis struggling in Australia yeah Aussies I'm going Aussie 3-1 they're playing 4 play 4 it's Aussies right well you know South Africa quiet achievers New Zealand yeah in Australia they're struggling yeah I'm gonna fail going Kiwis are you I'll just think they

1:00:37Phil Tufnell: Because you had it. What?

1:00:38Michael Vaughan: Yes, he is going his in. 3-1, 2-1. Two.

1:00:43Phil Tufnell: Aussies for me.

1:00:44Michael Vaughan: Aussie, I go Aussies.

1:00:45Phil Tufnell: I think the Aussies are crumbling. They are cracks appearing.

1:00:51Michael Vaughan: Ooh.

1:00:51Phil Tufnell: I like it. I'm going to go Kiwis. I'm going to go with a coach.

1:00:54Michael Vaughan: What, 2-1, 3-1, 3-0, 4-0, 1-1? I'll just pick a number. Right, OK. England in South Africa. Three test match series. This is a big one. I can't see it. I'm going South Africa 2-1. I thought weather like, it's New Year's, it's fine, wouldn't it? Where'd he play? No rain. Joburg or Centurion Joburg or vice versa. In Cape Town, seam, seam, spin. Yeah. I'm going South Africa 2-1. I'm going South Africa. You going 3-zip?

1:01:23Phil Tufnell: 3-zip. You going 3-zip? I'm sorry. I want to support the boys, but I just see what they've done. They seem to get themselves out of a hole at every opportunity, that South Africa side. particularly with your Arsenal midfielder ball.

1:01:39David 'Bumble' Lloyd: It's when Arteta turns off and food Jansen's training.

1:01:43Michael Vaughan: 2-0, we're going to have a draw.

1:01:44David 'Bumble' Lloyd: I'm going in. I'll back the boys. I'll back the boys. Do you know what? I want to back the boys. I'm going to back the boys. I'm going 1-1.

1:01:53Michael Vaughan: 1-0?

1:01:54David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Rain. One of them will rain.

1:01:56Michael Vaughan: Right, good. Cheers, lads. Good to share that. Thanks for the cheese, Dave. Yeah, lovely.

1:02:08Phil Tufnell: This has been a Global and the Overlap production.

1:02:12David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Lads, Paul didn't mention the fact it was his birthday.

1:02:16Michael Vaughan: Oh! We've got you a cake, Mike. Thanks, thanks. Where's the fire?

1:02:23David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Health and safety for the studios as we come. Happy birthday.

1:02:26Michael Vaughan: We'll AI them in. Thank you. Thanks, Harry. Oh, that's hot. Happy birthday to you.

1:02:33Phil Tufnell: Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear. Bye-bye. Birthday to you. Thank you. Thank you.

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