England Test Preview, Sooryavanshi’s Potential & Livingstone Joins | Stick to Cricket EP 47

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2:10Michael Vaughan: There you go, sir. Thank you very much. Top of the table. Oh, we got a gift. Have you? What have we got here? Oh, look. Look at this.

2:20Phil Tufnell: London spirit. 26. 26. Hey, that's my number. Oh, what's my number? This is the best kit. This is your mother, isn't it? In the big country mail as well, yeah. Do you play for these? Yeah, mate.

2:32Michael Vaughan: Oh, you're the spirit. Yes. It was a kit launch this week, wasn't it? Yeah. I saw your elephant scene at Crystal Palace. Hey. Crystal Palace. With the elephants. Bad kit, that, innit? They're super giants. Yeah, Crystal Palace. What number did you get? 26. We're all the same number. Are you actually?

2:50Phil Tufnell: Yeah. I know. Where's that? Where's that? What was your name? Oh, Vorney was 99, weren't you? 99, yeah. Got a message from your...

2:57Michael Vaughan: ...Header Knight. Have you? 99, haven't we? We got a message from Heather. To Vorney. From Heather. Oh. Inside the box of London Spirit playing shirt.

3:06Phil Tufnell: Oh, to Tuffers. Oh, thanks, Heather.

3:09Michael Vaughan: Oh, this is the one.

3:10Phil Tufnell: Who's the... Have you seen this, Dave? London Spirits. Flower. Andy Flower. He didn't lose. He's the governor, isn't he? He's the best, isn't he? Yeah, yeah.

3:20Michael Vaughan: He's Pep Guardiola of the cricket world. He's handling good, I think. Yeah? Yeah. Or Luis Enrique. What happened to your team? Oh, why? Who's our... Referee was a shocker.

3:29Phil Tufnell: It was. That was a penalty. Absolute shocker. That was a penalty. That was a penalty. That was a penalty. Justin Langer and Tom Moody. The one coming in from the right hand.

3:36Michael Vaughan: Hey, we're on to the Gooners here. One kick away from the best double in the world we could have had there. It was a penalty, wasn't it? It was a penalty. It was an awful game. It was done. Oh, my word. It's defence, your team. Why don't they attack? Defence. Dave, have you seen this Manchester Supergiant's AI video launch? Dave, what's happening to your club? The keeper's keeping him batting gloves. It's an almost height.

4:02Phil Tufnell: The game's moved forward, Mike. It's an almost height.

4:05Michael Vaughan: So that's not out. That's not out. What's happening to your place?

4:11Phil Tufnell: That is the elephants.

4:12Michael Vaughan: This is Crystal Palace, yeah, the elephants. What's that? I mean, they've got whites on. So they've got... Where's he batting? He's batting... He's batting... He's got an outside off. He obviously wants to work... Where's he run from? Where's he running? Yeah, but... And the whites. But that's the keeper, and he's facing at the other end. No, you're winding... He's at the wrong end, is he? Sorry, that is not... This is not genuine. This is their launch. It's gone out? Yeah, yeah. This has gone out? You're not on social media. No, I'm not. You see this stuff, do you? Too busy... Missing out. You're missing out on absolutely...

4:42I'm missing out, trust me.

4:45Michael Vaughan: That's a shocker, isn't it? No, why have they done that is this Jeeper guess is it yeah nice. Thanks for the shirt Anyway, have you brought these in for us? Yeah, mate. So nice. Are you happy with that kit? Happy with the kit? Yeah, there isn't many good ones is there? It's not bad. I think there's a... I don't like the orange, Ed and Lee Sunrises.

5:02Phil Tufnell: Is that a little nod to the MCC is it? Yeah. A little nod to it. Well, you'd think so.

5:08Michael Vaughan: Egg and bacon, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's nice. Yeah, it's nice. I never had a number when I... I quite like it to be fair. Yeah, it's nice kit. I think of all the kits I didn't mind Tommy Curran That's quite nice.

5:20Phil Tufnell: What size am I London? You're not getting that on

5:29Michael Vaughan: Right, so what's been happening gunners? Yeah, they they lost not good enough

5:36We'll be back we'll be back. Will you do you think they might now play a bit more attacking? No chance. Just need a strike.

5:42Phil Tufnell: Listen, we were one kick away from it, mate.

5:45Michael Vaughan: Do you think they might play a bit more attacking next year? Now they've won the league. Might have. To beat that PSG side, it was the only way to try and beat them, wasn't it? They didn't have a centre forward. They didn't have a centre forward. And put them to sleep.

5:55Phil Tufnell: Put them to sleep. That was the only way, wasn't that? Their keeper. What was it you telling me about their keeper? They've had a great season, though. You win the Premier League. Yeah, great. You win the Premier League. Oh, we're one kick away.

6:06Michael Vaughan: in a final the VSG keeper did not touch the ball once in the whole 120 it with his hands no way because the goal went in have arts it went in the roof so I did touch it yeah oh not even in penalties either no because this one flew over the

6:28Phil Tufnell: crossbar one went out with a good film up yeah one flew all the cuckoo's nest No, which gentleman? What are you on about? Who was that? That was... Oh, he was. They were in it. Every hour. Yeah, I can remember. What's his name? Him. He's Johnny. That's him.

6:45Phil Tufnell: Nicholson. Matt Nicholson. Jack Nicholson. Jack Nicholson. Not Matt Nicholson, he opened the ball in for Victoria. He was quite quick.

6:51Michael Vaughan: He was quite quick, he was. An all gangly guy. Matt Nicholson. I thought it was Matt Nicholson. Were you there tough, was it the final? What? Were you at the Champions League final? No, I wasn't. Can we just start on Lang's watch? Lang's watch. Alex Hartley has been appointed VC. Vice President. I'm a Vice President. Are you?

7:13Phil Tufnell: Yeah. I'm a Vice President.

7:14Michael Vaughan: How many Vice Presidents have you got?

7:16Phil Tufnell: There's a few, you know, if you've done a bit for the club over the years. Well, congratulations. Liam, are you a Vice President?

7:23Michael Vaughan: Not yet.

7:23Phil Tufnell: No, he's a player. Unfortunately not. He's a player. Do you still play for me? I do. Yeah. Take back, yeah. Landed Thursday. Part of the Vitality of last night in the Yorkies. Landed Thursday, played Friday. Did you? Yeah, may as well not have. The AGM last week, a members club, the members club, a members not allowed to say anything.

7:43Michael Vaughan: What do you mean they're not allowed?

7:45Phil Tufnell: Not allowed. No. No. But that's the point of a members club, innit? Absolutely. So, are you not happy, Sir Clive's a good appointment, isn't he? Sir Clive Woodward. Very good. Lloyd, isn't he? He's the president.

8:00Michael Vaughan: President, yeah. Have you got anything named after yourself at Old Trafford?

8:05Phil Tufnell: Are you having a laugh?

8:07Michael Vaughan: You haven't.

8:08Phil Tufnell: Are you having a laugh? No, I'm just not a hotel room. We have an SGM on Sunday. Voter no confidence in the board. Right. 9.30am on Sunday when the team are playing in Blackpool and there's no transport to get to the ground.

8:26Michael Vaughan: school dougry school to the highest level good word it's all going off at length anyway should we move on no you can carry on if you carry on let's move on you've got a hotel room named after yourself on you are you having a laugh I thought you all got hotel rooms like head on we got hotel rooms good for you we haven't got anything I don't know well you know wouldn't you tell you

8:50Phil Tufnell: You'd know, wouldn't you? We might have been in it. Yeah, we remember that. Covid times. You got in trouble, Covid times. Well, they were on us like, you got banned.

9:03Michael Vaughan: Well, they were outrageous. Mate, honestly, Covid times, you were having friends in your room. Well, a friend, we were just having a glass of wine. They had the binoculars on us, didn't they? They did.

9:14Phil Tufnell: And you were warned as to your future conduct. I was having a tab out the balcony. You were the show. The billeturn. I was about to get the lawyers involved. Hands against the wall.

9:24Michael Vaughan: Yeah, they had the albinos on over us from the dress rooms. Yeah. Look at our rooms. It's a pandemic. We didn't get told we weren't allowed to do that. No, we didn't. We were commentating in the same room. We can't sit on a balcony and have a glass of wine. No. Outranger. Blackburn, what's happened at Blackburn this year, Liam? Anything to report? You haven't got a manager? No manager. We actually did well to get Martin O 'Neill in, I think. But, yeah, a bit of a shame. Martin O 'Neill, Michael O 'Neill. Yeah, Martin O 'Neill. We'd have done well to get Martin O 'Neill in. Yeah, he's a good manager, he is.

9:56Yeah, he did well. We managed to stay up. That was the main thing. We'd have been in a bit of trouble if we didn't. Yeah. Yeah, frustrating time to be a Blackburn fan at the moment. But we won't give up. Still in the Championship. Still in the Championship. Better than being a Wednesday fan, I think.

10:11Michael Vaughan: Oh, we'll be back. Don't worry. We've got... You've got your Wednesday shoes on. Yeah, I've got my Wednesday Jordans. I've got my hands. Get them on. Before we get started, I'd like to thank our partners, Betfair. So just hit subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Enjoy the show.

10:33Baz texted me after I did that interview saying, sorry to hear how you feel. The pressure comes on in the biggest series, and actually they have to win this series.

10:43Michael Vaughan: I can't see anyone ever winning a World Cup again, other than India. We got Surrey advantage, his strike rate to the short ball was 390. How did you prepare for the matches? He went, watching cartoons. I said, what do you eat? He went, everything.

10:56Phil Tufnell: So getting back to Lanks, you cannot beat Communi... Come on. Are they still a cricket club? No. You should ask the guests what he thinks. If you try and hit it too hard and you're all arms, that's when you actually lose your power. Don't say that grub weren't any good, mate. It must be a f***ing fulcher. 10 days in Amsterdam, 8 in Dublin. Bye.

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13:25Michael Vaughan: I'll be coached.

13:29Michael Vaughan: The test starts Thursday. What are we knowing? Anything Robinson to play? A bit of rain, all right. A lot of rain. A bit of gloom and gloom. Well, go on. What's the team? I reckon Robinson plays. Robinson, Tong, Atkinson, Stokes. Nice spinner. Obviously, Emilio Gayle make his debut. Might not play a spinner, do you think?

13:48Phil Tufnell: No, they've got to play a spinner, haven't they? What, even with the Duke about? I'm intrigued, actually. I'm looking forward to this summer. I'm looking forward to it. Betel III. Is he fit? Is he fit? Yeah, he's fine, yeah. So, Little Ducky. Little Ducky. Emilio. Yes. Betel, Root, Brook. Smith's going to bat six. Six, six. Stalks 7 Rian 8 Atkinson Tong Robinson Robinson Yeah They're playing a good team They're playing a good team Playing a well organised side They've had good practice I reckon News

14:24Michael Vaughan: Yeah they've had a practice match I was thinking about I was thinking about Emilio Gay Surround He hasn't played for a few weeks He hasn't played They got announced Brilliant Yeah Got a duck on his next thing Which is fine That happens And then he hasn't actually batted Since the 15th of May I'll ask you, right? Would you have wanted to play as a batter in the Lions game last week just to have a knock or two? It's a long break, isn't it? I think his last game was against Kent. 15th of May. And he opened the bat. He got 0 in the first inning. Didn't bat in the second. Didn't bat in the second. What's that?

14:58Michael Vaughan: Three weeks. Yes, three weeks. It's just amazing how this... Remember Sam Cook last year against Zimbabwe? Obviously, you know Sam really well. He bowls loads over for Essex. You know, that's what he does. and then he bowled, they took him out of a game, England, because they worried about his workload. So then he missed that game, then he went on the camp, and then hadn't actually bowled in the game for two and a half weeks, which is really unusual, and then he then tried too hard and didn't bowl that great. Like, Gay's a little bit the same, isn't he? Like, batted loads this beginning of the summer.

15:29Do you think it had been given,

15:30Michael Vaughan: Liam, you know, from this modern era, we take the mick out of, you know, Jacob Bethel being at the Ipon and he's improved by not playing, that kind of stuff. It's a piss take. But the modern player, they don't play as much. Now, Emilio, would he have been given that option? Or could he have gone to the management and gone, can I just play in that Lions game? Or just tonight, you're in the England team. We're having a camper at Loughborough. They had a camper at Loughborough. They've been at Lords. Yeah, I don't think he'll have been given an option. I think he'll have... Yeah, I think they'll have wanted to get everybody together.

16:00Michael Vaughan: Yeah. But it's hard for him. It's his first Test match. Like, he won't... He'll know what he does to prepare in county cricket, but he won't know what the best way to prepare for a Test match is. Some people will enjoy playing, some people don't need to play. It would be unusual. The biggest game of his life, not to have had a knock in the middle, just shows you the difference in international cricket. Sorry, I didn't want that, but international cricket is. They throw up scenarios which you're not used to. Also, having three weeks to think about it, I think he's a good player. and it's just not easy.

16:38He's had a tough, like that's a tough start, I think, Lords having to wait for three weeks.

16:41Michael Vaughan: Well, I reckon the Kiwis, we just spoke about Arsenal are like a robust side. You know what you get, New Zealand are similar. They're solid. They are rock solid. Yeah. Travel well. They were 60 for, no, they were 30 for four against Ireland last week in a test and suddenly got a big score. Remember last time, how many runs? Ratchin got 100. But Ratchin was the same. Ratchin's been at the IPL. Yeah. He's been sat on the sideline. He's been sat on the sidelines with... Who's he with? KKR. KKR, yeah. How did he not get a game for them? I think he left early, actually, to prepare. So he came over here and he's had a test and he's ready to go.

17:17Yeah.

17:18Michael Vaughan: Where do you sit with that? So I go to the IPL and work. And the more I go, the more I think... I wish there was a system where you guys that aren't playing or don't get the chance to play are in the impacts. So there's 16 players that are involved, aren't there? Yeah. Now, if you're not one of the 16, say, let's go to 18, players say you're under Andy Flower at RCB like Jordan Cox yeah never really gonna play yeah do you think there's a time in the future where Jordan would have got sent back to England because you're only a 10-hour flight away from India direct sent back to England carry on playing for your county by the way we want you and need you you just get back on the plane yeah do you think that'd be a good way to go pick England players for me I'd benefit from playing as much as I can yeah I always find it hard to come from not playing cricket to then going straight into a game so yeah I've thought about it a few times would you have liked that option so the sun rises you're not not been playing and they go to him go I can play for Lancs yeah play a couple of four day ends and by the way you'll be playing cricket and when we need you get on the plane yeah I think the the counter argument to that is what happens if someone gets injured in a warm-up and yeah yeah you've got to be straight in so I don't think it's ever going to happen.

18:32Michael Vaughan: Well, my point is, so there's 11 that play, then you've got the five impacts, so that's 16 players, and then there'll be another couple. But if you're one of the 19 to 25 that aren't really... Most of them teams don't have 25, though. They'll have 21, 22. Look at Tom Banton. Who is he with? Good job? I think it's a fair argument for someone like Coxie, who was... There was Salty who was playing, there's Beth who's there as is next in. Yeah. If you then go... Well, they've got Romario, Shepard, Hazelworth. He's not going to play. He's not going to go in to take a seamer's role or whatever. What happens if the flight's cancelled?

19:07Yeah, but that's the thing that you're going to get.

19:11Phil Tufnell: Desert storm. Ash cloud. It's never going to happen because of what is.

19:17Michael Vaughan: It's what happens when you're on a tour with the England team and suddenly there's an injury or someone flies in and that player plays. He's the perfect example back in the day.

19:26Phil Tufnell: Back in my day, he always used to go and play for, let's say an Australian club side University yeah no like you know when England were there because you might get a call up and get a game have a gig Chris Lewis I think happened at that Chris did he he was playing and got called up from first grade good cricketer him very good bloody good cricketer Chris Lewis I think it's a good point though for even for the franchises like towards the end if one of your big overseas players gets injured so like for me for example this year I was with Hyderabad if Klaassen had got injured they'd have benefited from me having played cricket.

20:01Michael Vaughan: Yeah. But then, is there other ways to do that? Do you play into squad friendlies? When you're not playing...

20:10Phil Tufnell: No, they don't. Some teams do, I think. I think Flower does. What about your preparation? When you're not playing, you know you're not playing. What's your day-to-day routine? Survival. Do you have to practice? I think there's like three ways of the IPO. You're either playing and you're locked in and everything's kind of set out for you. There's like a fringe sort of you may play, you may not. And your thoughts are, if I play in this next game, this is how it's going to go. And then like me this year, when I went over, we got a lad in the auction that Mumbai really wanted. We had more money, so we ended up getting him.

20:51The owners loved him. so he was locked in to play for us and when we didn't have Cummins we were only playing three overseas so I said to Dan like why are we only playing three overseas he was like the owners love this lad when Cummins comes back in we're not gonna change our thing which was great so I knew that unless somebody got injured I wasn't gonna play so then it's a complete different mindset of you know

21:13Phil Tufnell: you're not gonna play so what expertise do these owners have a lot of money A lot of money. And they're calling the shots as deep. Well, I don't know if they call the shots fully, but they obviously have a say. But, yeah, I guess the biggest thing for me from Dan Vittori this year was he told me exactly what was happening. So I knew. It wasn't every day that I was like, there might be a chance of me playing tonight. There wasn't really any chance because unless somebody got injured or ill, then but yeah I don't know how much the owners actually get involved but where did your team finish? we finished third and lost lost to Surrey Vanchi lost we got Surrey Vanchi

21:57Michael Vaughan: oh my goodness

21:58Phil Tufnell: Orange Army Orange Army

21:59Michael Vaughan: he got 97 off what 29? no 30 30 balls he was on for the quickest IPL ton he's already got 37, 35 I think he got he got 100 against us he got a first baller we bounced him out early on in the tournament and then he got 197. Didn't he get all the awards?

22:18Phil Tufnell: Well, he... He just got like 20 awards. He didn't get the fours. He didn't hit the ball on the floor enough.

22:23Michael Vaughan: No. I think he ended up with 76s, didn't he? 76. 76 sixes. He broke a 15-year... No, a 14-year-old record as a 15-year-old. But he's... And they gave him the car. But he won a car. Yeah, he won a car. He can't drive it for three years. I think in three years he'll have a jet. Put it in the garage. Yeah, I don't think he'll need to buy a car in three years' time. I've never seen anything like it. And I've been there, what, this year was my seventh IPL and I've played with and against some very good players and I've never seen anything like that. I mean, you play with, you'd say Henrik Klassen in the middle is probably the best hitter of spin.

23:02Michael Vaughan: Yeah. But this kid, why? He doesn't face spin, he only faces 27 balls.

23:08Phil Tufnell: What does he do that you haven't seen? He's just, like, the way he hits the ball, he hits the ball so clean. Yeah. He never really missed a ball. Never really missed a ball the whole time. And wherever the ball, the first time we got him out with a bouncer, first ball, he hit it straight up. But then the development that he made as a player from the start of that tournament to the end was, like, we were bowling bouncers and he was hitting it over third, man. Yeah. And then you'd bowl this side, he'd hit it there, you'd bowl fully, he'd hit it there. Bow a low full toss, he'd flick it over there, and you're like, well, hold on a minute, where do we bowl?

23:41And there's only two men out. So just learning all the time. So people don't really bowl wide because there's only two men out. It's a brave option to go them two out and bowl on the wide line with a new ball. We actually tried, it was the first time all tournament where we kind of went away from our blueprint of what we were doing as a team and we tried to bowl. We had three men behind the bowler tried to bowl Yorkers. What, in the first six? every time we missed it went 20 rows back

24:09Michael Vaughan: I've studied and I've like gone and I've thought go short into his shoulder put two out legs he's probably got that now and you've got to be so accurate and then I go ball full and straight you miss it by an inch he's taking you out of the ground both over mid off mid on and square leg if you miss and then go wide and he can flick it over over there for six and you've only got two out but surely in a way

24:32Phil Tufnell: swinging Nick back I might be yeah but

24:35Michael Vaughan: these balls don't swing He got out a couple of times at the start with balls that bounced a little bit more. So everybody thought you can bounce him and we did some research on him. His strike rate to the short ball was 380. I think the one thing about it is it doesn't seem to be any premeditation. So like most batsmen, our class, even the best hitters, they're literally waiting for that ball to be in their one slot for their six. In general, they might have two. They might have two. And yet, if you just listen to him there, and when I've watched a bit of it, you bowl five balls and he will wait a ball at 90 mile an hour and then react to that and still hit it for six so cleanly.

25:13And I think that is what's unusual about it. It was also how he goes from ball one. It was funny at the start of the year, Cummins played his first game for us against him and he'd hit, I think it was Boovey, his first ball for six. Hazelwood. Boomra. Boomra. so we said just make sure you don't join the illustrious club first ball bang six

25:35Michael Vaughan: and we were like I was in the pool last week in Mumbai but I just found playing Mumbai on the Sunday that must win game to go through the eliminations and I'm just sat on the bed and I was saying yesterday Jars comes as a chat and then the kid arrives and I start off it's a pleasure to meet you full admiration for the way you play I said how do you prepare for the matches he went watching cartoons he's a kid watch his cartoons I was like alright I said alright you're training he went no I said what do you eat he went everything I said there's the modern player watch your cartoon eat what you want smack it out of the ground yeah but you've got to do you've got to have the odd net haven't you he's hilarious to watch in a net he just smacks everything from ball one but that's the way he plays as well but T20's gone again hasn't it I mean it's always moving forward I also think if you take the impact player out of that tournament, I feel like everything will level out again.

26:33I hate that impact. Yeah, I don't know. You mean level out. I hate it. I feel like it's gone too far the other way towards batters. Because you can get to 20 for three, it doesn't matter because you can just take your all-rounder out and you bring in a batter. Or you can take a bowler out and you've got an all-rounder in there that you can use that you don't. So like, someone like Jadeja, who will be playing for Rajasthan, but they don't have to use him as a bowler. But then if they end up 20 for three, they can bring a batter in and you can use Jadeja. No jeopardy. There's no yeah, there's just it takes away the The skill of picking a team the skill of reading a pitch and if you get it wrong It doesn't matter because you can just almost

27:07Phil Tufnell: balance balance of a team Yeah, so I think now you just see two openers just go hell for leather whereas

27:18Michael Vaughan: Previously but I was similar but it's already stopped in their create, you know So you don't get remember back in the day say I could borrow a bit of offspin you know Juve had bowled a bit of left arm spin none of the batters bowl anymore they don't have to in the IPO because the impact nullifies that I feel like that's one of the greatest skills of someone like for me for example if I can bat and bowl then I feel like that's a tougher skill being able to do that like you said having batters that can bowl a couple of overs a left arm spin or whatever you now just play seven batters versus five bowlers um so i don't know i don't know whether they're going to change it or not i'd be interested to see whether they because i know um i wonder if it affects the

28:08Phil Tufnell: viewership of has it dropped off a bit this year yeah i heard it has yeah um what was your feeling also when i'm sat there in a dugout we played mumbai and i think we chased we chased 230 or 240 in 18 overs. And I was like, it's actually quite boring. Just watching people go six, six, six. Like, there's no real skill involved. Like, the pitches were so flat and the impact player just brings in... Do you think that was a directive? How big is the boundary? Big enough. The boundaries are big enough. No, they are, but the pitches are so flat. And at Mumbai, the ball absolutely flies.

28:45Michael Vaughan: I reckon there was a directive to create real flat wickets. Because in the past, as the IPL goes on, you know, you get a few grubby ones. They were getting better this year. We played at Hyderabad. We played the same pitch five or six times.

29:02Phil Tufnell: That should be part of the competition where they start pristine and as they go on, they're doing a little bit more. So you've got to think a bit more about your team selection and your make-up of your team because the pitch is not going to behave like it did at the beginning. with this young kid how is he viewed in India compared to Sachin MS Dorney his trajectory is like this at the moment yeah but everybody like when you're there the cricket is on all the time and I wouldn't generally sit there and watch it but when he's buying I'll turn the TV on and watch it

29:37Michael Vaughan: the TV numbers so if you go throughout the whole of the last 20 years you know MS Doney walks out of the bat, there's a trigger. Yes. TV. Virat Kohli walks out of the bat, there's a spike. Sachin? Sachin, Tendulkar. Yeah. This kid. It's just gone. As soon as WhatsApp group, he's in. Everyone's watching him. How long did Rajasthan sign him for? Forever. When do you go back into the auction? You don't. Well, it depends how it all works out. Depends if the Ambani family come knocking in Mumbai. Well, is that a reason why less people watch it this year? Just because Mumbai didn't do as well? And there's so many people in Mumbai.

30:18I don't know. And then that just affects...

30:20Michael Vaughan: I think on the back of the T20 World Cup, it was a bit of T20 overkill. Yeah. T20 in India, straight into the IPL. People are like, come on, I want to see a bit of... Probably test cricket now. Yeah. I want to see a few maidens.

30:34Phil Tufnell: I want to see a few maidens. I want to see a forward D. I want to see a few leaves. FNG.

30:39Michael Vaughan: I can't remember the last time I saw one of them. No.

30:49Michael Vaughan: So, RCB champs again. You were there last year with Andy Flower and the crew. Yeah. What is it that they are doing that other teams aren't doing? They're incredibly well set up, for one. Mo Bobat's very good at what he does as an organiser and Andy, in my opinion, is the best coach in the world. DK, they've got as a batting coach who is very good at what he does. He gives a lot of energy, but the structure that he has is good.

31:23Phil Tufnell: Who's that? Dinesh Kharkov. Dinesh. All right. Very good. You're mate. Yeah, Dinesh. He's good. So they've got everything. Yeah, I know. They've got everything worked out. They had a great auction, which is the key to your three or four-year cycle. You have to have a good main auction if you don't have that. They've got Booby and Hazelwood and they bat around Virat. So they've got the key spots nailed on. It's not just all Virat, is it? They look like they've all performed in their roles now. it's Flour it's Flour I'm sorry it's Andy Flour yeah I mean RCB they were they had all the best players didn't they the biggest names and they never got anywhere near to it yeah and that was one thing that they said they wanted to kind of spread out and it's I think it's quite ironic actually because in that auction the year before they went to about 23 crore for Venkateshaya against KKR they lost that they ended up getting Hazelwood and Boovy instead that they they wouldn't have got if they'd have got Venkateshaya but I think that that's the big thing that they've got at the moment.

32:35They've got a very reliable bowling attack.

32:38Michael Vaughan: And they've got a reliable opener. I mean, Virat Kohli is like, he's just tickling the chase. I've never seen anyone better. What's he like in the dressing room? He was amazing. Like, I'd always played against Virat and he's always a laugh. You can always, if you want to have a go at someone, you can have a go and he'll have a go back at you. But on the field, he's ultra competitive. as soon as he steps over that line he's he's a different person but away from cricket is really nice guy really chilled out yeah just a lovely lovely guy yeah loves his family loves spending time with his family um very chilled out guy and almost kind of doesn't want that life that he lives in india um he doesn't really want the the eyes on him all the time and stuff he's just a really genuinely nice guy but obviously very different as everyone sees when you get out onto the pitch and he's just the most competitive person you'll ever be

33:36Phil Tufnell: and he's got better and better hasn't he yeah he's an incredible player yeah I mean yeah but he's he's even got that you know and as I was saying before about Mo and Andy they went in and changed the way he played there you go so they were brave enough which I think what did they change? they asked him to be a bit more aggressive hit more sixes yeah just even more so out the power play to keep going with that aggression but you see the way he plays now in the power play and he's way more aggressive than he used to be yeah but even against spin and stuff he's playing more shots than he ever did um he's got to be the best clutch batter ever hasn't he yeah like there's not even like yeah you'd want him fighting for your life i mean like under pressure batting i know it's sort of chasing but I can't name of anyone in any era who was as good as him.

34:30Even that pitch the other day. White ball cricket. Yeah. Viv Richards. But Clutch, I'm talking like, what was his record chasing? I mean, that's extraordinary. How many times he's not out or gets his side over the line. That is good judgeable.

34:46Michael Vaughan: You mentioned Flower being the best. I'll tell you what, I was there just doing some research on the winners in the past. And what's triggered for me? So look now. Where did they finish? Bottom? Lucknow were bottom weren't they and then you look at Flyer when he went to RCB and won it won it right and I said what I looked at Lucknow and when he was at Lucknow he'd finished third third and third with the Lucknow team and I went that's why he's a great coach and look where Lucknow I know there's changing personnel and there's different players but I remember Mourinho was saying when he finished second at Man United he said that's his biggest ever achievement as a manager so sometimes you don't have to win to maximise what you've got in your group there's not many things he hasn't won Flower as a coach.

35:26When we played with him and he got us the number one. I mean, that's... He did, though. He's like, for all the bad, the negative... How did he do that? All the negative stuff about his coach. Our best coaches,

35:38Michael Vaughan: like Duncan Fletcher was a great coach, but he gets a lot of negativity from English cricket. No idea why. It's ridiculous. And the Flower, unbelievable. Do they really? I think you've got

35:47Phil Tufnell: to admire these guys. Incredible. I do. You admire the pair. I think the thing about Flower in particular, just there's not a conversation he wouldn't have had. No matter how hard it is, he'd be prepared to go and have it. I never really saw the coaches doing much, really. He was your coach. But do you know what I mean? You know, it's a lot. We have a bat and a bowl. He puts a few short, surely. The counting runs the short, but the IPL wasn't invented at that time. The IPL is strategy all along the way. And, you know, you're in a bubble and you're organised from start to finish. And so the coach has got a big say in recruitment for a start.

36:34Phil Tufnell: Who's playing? I think that's the key, the IPL, is if you have a good auction, you set up to have a good four years. If you had a bad auction, you can't overturn that. The biggest thing with Andy, I reckon, over the last two years is when the, like RCB have done well with big names, but they've never won it. But in the real crunch moments, I think they were braver than everyone else. And even the other night when they came out, I don't think it was a great wicket, but Venkatesh and Virat took the game on. They played and missed a couple of times, but even in the final, which is probably where previously you'd probably see Indian teams maybe take a step back because it's the final.

37:19whereas he was always play the game the same way no matter what happens and they were they were probably the bravest team throughout and they were consistent weren't they

37:29Phil Tufnell: which is difficult for the 100 Andy's now with London Spirit yeah so you're not with the same you're not with the same franchise is that unusual is that unusual or not no it's everyone's the same so like I've just played with Heinrich Klassen who's with Hyderabad which is the Sunrisers yeah and I'll go and play with him at Durban Super Giants, which is the Super Giants. But then he'll go and play for Manchester. So he's on three? He's on three different ones? No, he's got two. He's with the Elephants. He's with the Elephants, yeah.

38:01Michael Vaughan: Would you not prefer to be playing for the Elephants, being a local lad? No, because they didn't want me. At the start, they didn't want me. The start was where I kind of... Do you remember the two Icon contracts or something in that they offered three lads two contracts. So I said, no, thank you. Went in the auction. They said, went in the draft. They said, we're going to get you anyway, so it doesn't matter. And then Birmingham got me first. So from then on, I was like, they could have, I could have signed there before the draft had started, but started on a bad way. So that was the reason.

38:39Phil Tufnell: So the elephants is Tom Moody and Justin Lang?

38:43Michael Vaughan: Justin Lang, who just finished bottom of the tree at the IPL. So they'll be under the gas.

38:46Phil Tufnell: I'm going to say, are they likely to be under pressure from the owners? Really? Yeah, I would think they would be, yeah. Would they have got the 100 players? Did they get them?

38:58Michael Vaughan: Yeah, it's all done now, yeah.

39:01Phil Tufnell: Yeah, but would they be...

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41:24Michael Vaughan: Can we just go back to Slided Cookie a few weeks ago? Predictions? No, no, not the predictions. He made a comment about Jacob Bethel. Like, should have been back here playing county cricket rather than sitting on the bench. and it got a little bit of a reaction from Kevin Peterson. But Jason Gillespie, chef, has backed you up this week on his Fast Bowling Cartel podcast. He said about Kev, he also claimed that he paved the way for players to play franchise cricket at the expense of his own career and his own England career. He would have played 150 tests, he reckons, or more. What a selfless individual.

41:59Michael Vaughan: That's what he said about Kev. I want to take this opportunity. This is Jason Gillespie. I want to take this opportunity. I want to say thank you to Kev for the stars above, the sun, the moon, the earth we walk on and the air we breathe. Thank you, Kevin. And then he finishes, give me a spell, Jesus. It's all about the cash for you, Kev. That's all it was. Give me a break, you Muppet. That's Jason Gillespie. He was supporting you. You should ask the guests what he thinks. I mean, Muppet's strong, isn't it? Well, I like the Muppets.

42:36Phil Tufnell: I like the two old boys in the box.

42:38Michael Vaughan: Was this on social media?

42:39Phil Tufnell: No, this was on his Fast Bowling Cartel podcast,

42:41Michael Vaughan: Jason Gillespie. It's a lot of slamming KB, but he's backing up Sir Alistair.

42:45Phil Tufnell: It's not slamming or anything, is it? It's just... Got a few hits, I bet. Well, yeah, it's just having a point of view, isn't it? You're not allowed an opinion.

42:53Michael Vaughan: You're not allowed an opinion at all.

42:54Phil Tufnell: Everyone's allowed an opinion.

42:56Michael Vaughan: Well, it's good to see that Jason Gillespie, Australian supporting you. Thank you very much. Got a little bit of backup. up. Liam, you in England, where are we at? Same place we were at a year ago. Right. Had any conversations? No, because it was interesting. Ollie Robinson obviously, he was on the should I say the naughty step? He was on the naughty step. Yes. And then he said he got a text early season, I think before the county season, started from Baz saying, you do the business, we'll have a look. He's back in. You've had no conversation or communication? Baz texted me after I did that interview saying sorry to hear how you feel if you ever want a conversation you know where I'm at I might not always tell you what you want to hear but and I just basically said like my my issue never really was with Baz but I just said thanks maybe that conversation should have happened last summer and he was like let's catch up this summer so I was like maybe that should have happened last summer but um yeah did Rob Key message you after your comments no no are you still available to play for England yeah still want to yeah I'd love to play for England but um like the way that that all unfolded it just left the biggest thing for me was I just wanted communication so like I mentioned before about Vittori came to me and said this is what's happening like I think the biggest part of leadership is communication and you probably just said it as well about flower is there won't be a conversation that however hard it is and that's all that's all I ever wanted was just if they'd have rang me and said listen we don't want anything to do with you anymore and at least you know and that was all I ever that was all all I ever complained about was the fact that you just didn't know what was going on.

44:56And I was still contracted for about eight months without anybody speaking to me. And I actually ended up... It's a coach, isn't it? I ended up getting told about eight days before my contract was up that I wasn't getting one, which in your contract you're meant to be told halfway through August that there's a chance you won't get one. Right. So that was always... Like, selection and stuff, like I'm not going to sit here and complain about anything like that I was always just a bit annoyed with the communication that that was happening or lack of it because at the end of the day no matter how hard your conversations are it just makes things easier for I'd imagine a director of cricket but especially the players and when I did that interview there was a lot of lads that reached out to me and was like, fair enough, thanks for saying that.

45:52I'd love to say something, but as soon as I say something, my career would be over. And those players are still involved with the set-up? Some of them, yeah. Who was you looking for to communicate with?

46:07Phil Tufnell: Well, whoever's job it is. Whose job is that? Well, if you mention Andy Flower and Dan Vettori, they're the head coach, aren't they? Mo Bobat would be quite a strong communicator, would he? Mo's a very good communicator, yeah. What does Mo Bobat do? He basically runs everything. He's director of cricket. So he'd be like general manager? He's Rob Key. Yeah, he's Rob Key. Rob Key at Royal Challenges. But he just puts things in place. But if you say Dan Vettore talks to you, he's head coach, yeah? I think it's different with international cricket. Right. I think it's Keezy's job to stay in contact with players.

46:49Let players know where they are. This is why you've been dropped. We don't think you're very good at this. Go and improve this. Maybe get better at this. And then in a six-month time, if you score loads of runs, there may be another chance. Or we think you did this really well. Not quite so sure on this. Or even we just don't think you're very good. We're going to move on from you. Thank you very much. I'd say that's a coach's job, wouldn't it? I'd rather hear that from my coach. I'm just thinking out loud. I'm trying to think, who would it be? What is it do you think you did wrong that they treated you like that?

47:29Michael Vaughan: Because they'll give a reason why. I don't know, and that's one of my things, where I'm sat there every day, contracted by England, no-one speaking to you, and you're like, what have I done? Have I done something wrong? And I had Neil Fairbrother as my agent, and I was like, mate, can you speak to someone and just find out what it is that I've done? Because I didn't have a clue. And he was like, I've spoke to people, you haven't done anything wrong. And I'm like, well, it must be something.

47:54Phil Tufnell: It's interesting that you've had this text message with Baz and you've said that perhaps it should have been last summer. Well, let's catch up this summer. I think that's a good starting point. Yeah, of course. I think that's a good start point to push that again. Okay, when are we meeting? because I suppose Baz is back in the country, isn't he? Yeah, of course he is. So your next port of call... ..started tomorrow. Starts tomorrow. Well, I think he's only just got here, to be fair. You were on your ios about that. Well, he should have been here weeks ago, absolutely. I mean, that's... So getting back to Lanks, you cannot beat communication.

48:40Phil Tufnell: Come on. You cannot have two factions saying absolutely nothing because it'll fester and get worse. Are they still a cricket club? Not in my opinion. It's been the same all over the years, though, hasn't it? Communicate. Yeah, just what I do. There is always a statement. Tell me what's going on. He knows Baz. Baz knows him. Let's get together, have a beer, a coffee. Right, tell me. But, like, if you put yourself in my shoes last... Do you think it's on me to reach out to them? If they're not reaching out to you. I mean, it's...

49:13Michael Vaughan: No, no, no. If I'm the leader and you're leading a group of people, you have to be the ones that reach out. You're in charge of this. But I would also...

49:23Phil Tufnell: I don't think there's anything wrong with what's going on, boss. Yeah, that's fine. But some players will be intimidated by that. Yeah, I think it's your job to look after your...

49:33Michael Vaughan: But it's your career. Yeah, of course. Yeah, but you've got to remember, he was under contract. Yeah, I think that's... He's not just a Lancashire player, he's an England player.

49:41Phil Tufnell: I think this is a real good debate because of what Lancs is going through. You cannot beat communication. You've got to communicate. You see, don't go worse. No, you are right. Are they still a cricket club? No. When you get dropped, surely, like, and for whatever the reason being dropped, you want to know that reason getting dropped. Yeah. And I'm trying to think back in my time now as skipper, when people didn't then make the next squad, Yes. I'd hope to think, and I'm sure I missed some out, hope to God I spoke to them. And there are other... I'd like to think I did that, but I bet... Oh, you get loads of people saying, well, he didn't do...

50:19Maybe at the end of Sydney, you play someone, then you get to June and you've moved on and you don't make the phone call to Boyd Rankin. Well, the difference is the captain, Cookie. You played one game and you're a bit more of a part of that.

50:34Michael Vaughan: You're managing the group that's been selected. You know, if you're the boss and you're managing the contracts and you've got players on a contract, you've got to communicate. Yeah, you do. You do. It's like a county player being on a contract. Gets to Walgast, you're going to communicate with that player whose contract's running out, aren't you? Let's be honest. You should do, yeah. They'll be the first to admit that.

50:52Phil Tufnell: You keep using that word communicate. That's it. But that's the fundamental leadership, I think. I think one of leadership's biggest thing is communication, especially considering they had three people. They've got Baz, obviously, as head coach. They had Wrighty as a selector and they had Kesey. So one of the three, surely one of their three roles has got to be to communicate. But there was other instances of it, not just me, but people won't speak about it because they're still wanting to get back in.

51:22Michael Vaughan: Do you feel that you're... There were some worse ones than me, but... What do you mean, speak about? Do you think you've got no chance now because you've spoken out? I don't know. I would hope not. No. All I did was an interview and told my story of what I... That's fair. I didn't lie about anything. I didn't try and fabricate anything to make me look good. I just said, like, I was incredibly... I played for England for six years. Like, if you'd have told me that as a 12-year-old kid, I was happy I'd have snapped your hand off for it. But it was more the fact that... But just the way it ended, if it was just to finish there and then, I'd have been like, fair enough, they've moved on, hold my hands up.

52:11I've had a great England career and there's another career ahead of me. I've got another however many years I'm going to play for. How old are you now? 32.

52:19Phil Tufnell: Plenty. So how are you going to get back into England by playing for Langs, by getting a shed full of runs? Yeah, that's the only way to do it. Where are you going to bat? Three. Okay. OK. Do they know that? Well, they will because you batted three last week when they went down the pan. Do you want to play four-day cricket? Well, that's the next thing is my schedule is so busy. I would love to play four-day cricket, but to then add more cricket into my schedule... Would it help your T20 cricket? And that's where I would... it would help my T20 cricket if I batted more in the middle that I haven't done recently.

53:03But my then thought is, well, instead of playing four days of cricket, I could play a league game on a Saturday. What did you get in that game? I'm talking about batting in the middle of a game. It doesn't matter who's bowling. If I went and played league cricket and got 350... Who was it for? Nantwich. but if I went and did that you're batting in the middle it's the same yeah you were there the other week weren't you it's the same like it's batting in the middle it's like you can go into a net session and get some average but you're still practicing I don't know you've got to bat in the middle yeah we've got to play the highest standards than that surely to you see for me batting in the middle is different to batting in the net absolutely it is and it's a different

53:51Michael Vaughan: next Friday before the cricket starts again in the county game. Would you put yourself forward for that Lancashire four-day game? They want me to play, but I don't know what to do yet. So I'll just come back, then I'll have these blast games straight into the 100, straight into the Euro T20 League. Which team are you with? Glasgow.

54:10Phil Tufnell: Who? What are they called?

54:14Michael Vaughan: I think Maharaj is with you as well. That's a busy summer.

54:22Phil Tufnell: Where are you playing, in Glasgow Cosmics? We play, I think it's ten days in Amsterdam, eight in Dublin. Nice! I'll be coached. I'll be coached. Is this televised?

54:34Michael Vaughan: I think it is. Of course it is. It's where Goffey was on. He was talking about it. Oh, Goffey's on the right. There's a Dublin side, an Amsterdam side, a Glasgow side. Rotterdam, Amsterdam. Glasgow, Edinburgh.

54:47Phil Tufnell: Who? Which TV companies covering this? I might not commentate. I don't want to commentate on it.

54:53Michael Vaughan: Why are we the commentary team? Upstick to cricket. Oh, my gosh. We need a branch out of it, don't we?

55:00Phil Tufnell: Yes. So you're not going to play in that four-day game? No. I'm trying to debate. Let's debate it here. The Cosmics. Is it a 20-over job or 100? No, 20-overs. 20-overs. There's some good players playing in it. So it's the European League. Yeah. So will they have spectators? What's your name? I don't know. I-L-T-20 doesn't. I-L-T-20. They do. Well, they do. No one turns up. No, they said they wouldn't open the gate anyway. I was there. I was commentating. That was in COVID. No. No. We're everywhere. We're everywhere. They shut all those turnstiles and... Yeah, but that's just starting this year.

55:44Phil Tufnell: There's some good players in 2020. I think we've just seen like the real debate. Which TV company is covering that? YouTube. Who? It's on YouTube, I reckon. If it's in Amsterdam, it might be Hustler. Somebody's got... It's got to be a... It's got to be a production. We're in. We're in. We're in. I think we're just seeing the debate, aren't we? We're going to be a little bit talking about Hustler. Actually, so we've got somebody who can play in pretty much any franchise tournament. Or any game of cricket. Any game of cricket. And you've got to now choose which ones to play. And the hard thing is, is looking short-term versus long-term, isn't it?

56:19Because I think me and Skipper here would say, actually, don't go and play in the European League because, you know, no-one's going to remember who wins that European League in two years' time. No, in September I wouldn't mind him playing in that. No, but I'm just saying... But he's talking about how busy... Five, four-day games during it. No, he's talking about how busy he is. He said he needs a bit of a break, this and that. But long-term, I'll say for Livy, actually, just get back to batting again.

56:45Phil Tufnell: What would be more fun? what brings more money in? Yeah, well, then you're starting... What's the wage? But, like, that's the balance. I'm 32, aren't I? Yes, it will be your fun. So, like, do you look at looking after your family for the next however many years? Or do you look at just trying to get some time in the middle? This is where we go. That's the debate that...

57:03Michael Vaughan: Short-term, long-term. And I guess in your mind, you'll be thinking, if I play next Friday in a four-day game, you might want to play one or two. Yeah. And then September, you're off. And potentially, you're nicking the spot of a younger player. And there's no guarantee that I'm going to go in there and make the team better. I haven't played cricket for three months. I understand that. That's a tough one. And that's where it's hard for me. And that's why I mentioned league cricket is like that, the just, the rhythm of batting, seeing the ball coming down and hitting the ball. That's the thing that you miss when you're sat on the sidelines.

57:36And you can face these dog sticks in the nets and stuff. It's not the same. Are they a load of nonsense, the dog stick? We've just had a lad at Hyderabad who's about 6 '3", who's bowling from about 10, 11 foot, which is fine if you're facing Marco Janssen. But I think they're just... Nothing beats facing bowlers. But then facing bowlers who always want to bowl with a new ball and not the best net wickets where you feel cramped, isn't always the nicest experience. I'll probably get you... Breaking news, by the way. Sherry Fulton Bridge. Breaking news.

58:07Michael Vaughan: This is the thing. Sherry Fulton Bridge. Just breaking news. There's no media deal yet. There's what? There's no media deal yet for the, what's it called? European. European T20 League. The T20, there's no media deal yet. It's open. We can put a bid in, shall we? We can put a bid in. Why don't the overlap cover it? Well, that's the bid. Yeah. That's the bid. How much have we got? I've got a fiver on this. How much have you got? Harry, have you got anything in your pocket? Yeah. All right, we'll put a bid in.

58:39Phil Tufnell: We might not get it. Have you got a commentary team? We can make that sing. You can sing. Absolutely can make it. You can sing. Absolutely sing.

58:46Michael Vaughan: You can rock and roll it. Stick to Cricket is brought to you by Betfair. Well, let's get back to the test match. This is this week. Go on. The test match starting this week. Let's look at New Zealand's team quickly. Good side. Latham, captain, quality, Blundell, keeper, quality. Conway, Jesus. Got Matt Henry. I think he's been injured. I think he's back. He's all right. Kyle Jameson. Has he been injured? He played at the start, didn't he? He played at the start, but he was still there at the end. I think the kid did help with it. His son. Billy the Kid. Billy the Kid. The kid dealt with everyone.

59:23Michael Vaughan: Mitchell quality, Henry Nicholls quality, Will O 'Rourke. Decent. Glenn Phillips all-rounder, Ratchin Ravindra, Nathan Smith. He was five for nine against Ireland the other day. Blair Tickner and Kane Williamson. That is a strong outfit. Hell of a team. They can turn you over if they get a bit of luck. Are England winning this series? So where have we got? We've got Lords, we've got the Oval, we've got Headingley. No, isn't it Trembridge? Is it Trembridge or Headingley? Trembridge. So England have got a good record at Trembridge. The Ovals, recent time. Do they have to win it? Lords, recent time.

1:00:00Do they have to win this series? Yeah.

1:00:02Michael Vaughan: Yes. So if they lose a series... I think it's going to get messy if they don't win this series.

1:00:05Phil Tufnell: What I don't want to happen, though, is when we turn up on Thursday, You know, someone goes for an off-drive outside off-stump, nicks off, and we all turn around and go, oh, nothing's changed. Well, you'll be on air. Nothing will have changed. Well, no, but everyone nicks off outside off-stump. Not playing a massive drive early, Phil. Well, no, but I just don't want to... Every time something happens, you know what I mean, it's going to be like, oh, I knew they wouldn't be out of change and everything. They've got to be... No, but do you know what I mean? They've got to be able to sort of...

1:00:37Michael Vaughan: Just be a bit. But this is why the pressure... Baz McCullum, in an interview this week, he said, I got it wrong in terms of assessing our readiness to handle the pressure. So they've got to handle... And the pressure is the moment.

1:00:48Phil Tufnell: Absolutely.

1:00:48Michael Vaughan: Whatever the moment is. So let's be honest, at Lords of Sweet, the clouds are around, there's a bit of mizzle. Absolutely. It's probably going to nip around. Yeah. Let's be brutally honest. So you go back to the Ashes. I think it was Trezzy's comment in Brisbane when they played the big drives in Perth and they played the big drives at the Gabba. Have you spoken about playing the big drives when the ball bounces? No. Well, surely this week, if the ball's going to be nimble, there's a good chance if you're going to be throwing your hands at the ball against Henry and Co. Get yourself to 30 first.

1:01:19Michael Vaughan: Just get in. Yeah, there you go.

1:01:20Phil Tufnell: Not being negative, but you're allowed to play a little bit closer to the body. Yeah, but then you are allowed to have a bit of a drive. They will try and play the situation, which is what they've got to do. But the other team are good. They're very good.

1:01:32Michael Vaughan: I think it's like the ultimate challenge for them, because they're up against a real kind of disciplined... Yeah, good discipline. Well-organised. Good testing, yeah. They spent a lot of time trying to take the pressure off the players, haven't they? In their thing. In their... And you can't actually take the pressure off the players because at some stage the pressure comes on in the biggest series and actually you have to be able to learn how to handle it. You can't just ignore it. And I think they found that out in this series. Unfortunately, it is a win. They have to win this series and that is the pressure now that the fact they kept the same leadership group, there is no second chance.

1:02:07Michael Vaughan: Do you think they'll be able to change the messaging, Liam, in the management? Because it clearly has been from... We've not been in team meetings, but you can clearly say, get on with it. You've got to run towards the danger. I think that was the famous saying. Do you think Baz will be able to take it back, and say, look, lads, we've run towards the danger for quite a while. Captain will decide. It's not quite worked out. Do you think they'll be able to change? No, I don't think they'll change that. I don't think they'll change that, no. I don't think that messaging will change. I think they'll just try and be better at running towards the danger.

1:02:40Michael Vaughan: So they'll keep going hard and just try and polish that aggression. Yeah. I think they'll just, yeah, they'll have to just try and be better at it. But what Cookie said before about taking the, like, a part of the fun of international cricket is the pressure, is the bright lights are on you. And it's, like, that's a part of it. It's going out there and at the end of the day, you're in an entertainment, but you're a showman in the middle. And sometimes that's the cool part of it is you're in the middle. You can show your skills off to the world. So actually sometimes the pressure can be a good thing.

1:03:19Absolutely. I mean, I can't wait for it. No, I think it's fascinating. Yeah, fascinating to see what they do. I think it'll be a very good series. They've got some very, very good cricketers.

1:03:29Michael Vaughan: I can't remember. you'll know Dave you've been around the game longer than me do you remember there's ever been a period where there's been six months between the last test and this test six month period where English cricket has not played a test last test finishes on January the 8th so now what do we start on Thursday June the 4th six months yeah it's never happened before we're starting late

1:03:49Phil Tufnell: aren't we it's a long time isn't it

1:03:50Michael Vaughan: desperate to see a bit of the Red Bull stuff and we've got to play

1:03:53Phil Tufnell: New Zealand and Pakistan

1:03:54Michael Vaughan: later on in the summer well India come for do you think I hope they pick I think they've got to pick him up. How would you get him in? I have to worry with his headmaster. We haven't got one. What? He doesn't go to school. He doesn't go to school. What about that? How would you get him in the T20 team? Well, the fact he strikes at 230. I personally think he's the best T20 opener in the world now. Yeah. I do, so I'm just saying to a... They've got two of them. I think Abhishek Chalmers. Abhishek's great. What I've just seen. Who else opens? They just opened with Sanju who was player of the tournament at the World Cup.

1:04:33But I think Sanju can move down. So then you move Ishan Kishan down one. I'm having the kid. I'm just looking at this lad. Yeah, of course, I agree. But it's easy. You can't get 12 players and bring an impact reel in there. But I'm seeing someone

1:04:46Michael Vaughan: that's doing something I've never seen before. Ripping up trees. He's striking at 2.30. Who doesn't play then? I'm going Sanju. Sanju doesn't play? Well, they're moving down. I'm moving them down. He doesn't play. In the innings, Shugman Gill played. He's not even anywhere near their squad. Garthwell. Nowhere near. Do you think anyone can beat India in whiteboard cricket? They could have four international teams. Four? Easily. Yeah, they could. In India? I'm not... Four anywhere in the world. If you take away the pressure of playing cricket for India, talent-wise, they could have four international teams.

1:05:22Sure, yeah.

1:05:23Phil Tufnell: Absolutely, sir. I've just played with a lad that's come from absolutely nowhere at Hyderabad called Saqib Hussain. And he was unbelievable. And they've literally got him from nowhere, played tennis ball cricket and tore up the IPL, got a wicket in ten games in a row, which no one had ever done.

1:05:42Michael Vaughan: I can't see anyone ever winning a World Cup again, other than India. That's a headline. But like when you go over... You see them train and stuff, it's remarkable. That's the headline. Can we do that again? I can't see anyone beating India again. I don't think anybody should enter. Can we have a bit of fun here? This is from your mates. The Absolute Badgers at Cricket District. Toby Marriott. Who is the best from the wonderful world of village cricket this week. It says courtesy from your friends. Absolute Badgers and Cricket District. You're linked with these badgers, aren't you? Yeah, sort of.

1:06:21Michael Vaughan: I've seen you model for them. On a roller? What do you do? I think you bought a T-shirt. I've got a T-shirt. You modelled for him. I've seen it on Insta. On a roller. With Sherry Fulton Bridge. Under the castle. He's everywhere these days. Bumble, isn't he?

1:06:36Phil Tufnell: I'm not modelling. You're just a mate who says, can you wear this? That's unattractive. Did they take pictures of you? Yeah. Modelling. I didn't get paid or anything. Like models do. Right, H, how do we do this? So we've got six clips. Right. We've said six. and it's basically the best of Village, so some of them do quite a lot. Oh, it's brilliant. This is absolutely brilliant. Well-balled lad.

1:06:59Michael Vaughan: Oh, what a cash that is. Off his head. Is that off the non-strike? Look, has it come off his head? Yeah. It's come off his lid. Like my link. Oh, it's come off his lid! Yeah, that's out, mate. Who's that VWCC? That's out. You've got to go. Right, see you later. Here we go, it's this one. This is counting. I've got a sound. How do you get this? Oh, there you go. Oh, run him through the week.

1:07:22Phil Tufnell: He's kicked it to his... I've done that before. Have you? Yeah. When? I've done that before at the Oval when Nasser got booed. Who was...? And also I kicked it in a World Series game to mid-on. Oh, Sean, Sean Beck.

1:07:37Michael Vaughan: Oh, that's a lovely little flicker. Nice touch as well. That is lovely. Right, here we go, what's this from? Oh, that's hot. Massive size screen. Oh! What's that? That's a quarter ball. Never catch. Have a look at this one, Phil. Come on, Anderson. That's Christchurch CC, Dorset first, 11, versus Marne Hall. That's just a quarter ball, isn't it? Yeah, simple catch. Well, it's not that... Well, yeah, nice and easy. Oh, OK, let's have another. Where are you going now? There's no sign on some of these, boy.

1:08:08Phil Tufnell: Oh, that's a good one. I thought that was Robinson bowling, dude. Check his action! That's how he's going there. Check his action! Bale comes up and down, I see him that one. I hit the stumps yeah the bail popped up Good baller Swipe the buttons the other way all the way back

1:08:27Michael Vaughan: Here's Ollie Robinson Look at his action! Here's Ollie warming up for the test Now listen that's Ollie Robinson action man I was going to say Carl Abbott Oh Carl Abbott? Yes! That's not a match That's a good sherry that He's a mix between Carl Abbott and Fletch What's this one? Oh, that's a great grab. What a catch that is.

1:08:50Phil Tufnell: Well, it's a good catch. Well, not great. Well, no, it's a great catch. Well, it's a good catch. This kid's hungover. He's had a gallon full. He stood at gully. It's late in the day as well. Look how late it is. Look at that for a grab. He's probably had four pork pies. Two pints. That is a good catch. Scots James. Stood just off the ascertain. No wonder you want to play.

1:09:08Michael Vaughan: That's what I want to play next Saturday. LAUGHTER That's you. You'll get caught out in the gullies. Which one's the best six there, lads? Which one do you reckon? Oh, it's this one. They haven't seen this one. Oh, look at the umpire. I thought we were meant to be watching village cricket. This one's my favourite. Off the helmet, this is the best one. Great reaction. Is that his mate as well? That's his mate's umpiring, isn't it? They must be. Our favourite, is it? That was a good old days, that one. Don't you dare give me out. Yeah, that's my favourite. Cheers, H. Enjoyed that. That's from Cricket District.

1:09:49Michael Vaughan: Cheers, boys. Thanks for that. Absolute Badger, the model. Stick to Cricket is brought to you by Betfair. Right, let's finish with a few community questions, Liam. Oh, there you go. Who from? R.K. from Kent. Yeah, this is actually from R.K. Have you changed your mobile number? LAUGHTER R-Keefe from Kent asks, will you play for England? Who was the best strike partnership? Shearer and Sutton. Or Warner McGrath?

1:10:26Phil Tufnell: Ooh. Warner McGrath. So Blackburn Rovers is Shearer and Sutton won the title. Shearer and Sutton, that was when I was three or four years old. McNewell played in that. What, the guy? McNewell? The guy is... Not McNewell. Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike Newell. He's doing a cricket there, isn't he? Played in that, centre forward. Warner McGrath.

1:10:44Michael Vaughan: Right, I'll tell you what, we haven't had you up for a while, Phil. With Liam, right, this is a good question. He didn't answer. You've thought he'd gone Warner McGrath. Yeah, Warner McGrath, OK, we'll agree on that. Right, how can a youngster learn to hit sixes? Get your bat, Phil. Just one little demo. Oh, no, I think Liam. I should tell the bat. Liam, get up, just tell a young kid, just starting out, look at his socks. Thomas, how did you hit your socks? Did you ever hit a six? Yeah. Where? Sit in your room, eat what you want and watch cartoons.

1:11:17Phil Tufnell: It's all in the core, isn't it, Liam? Go on, show us. Not in the core, innit? Hold on. There you go. And it's sort of... You've got to... It's like... You've got to get it from there. You've got to get it from... It's twinched me back there. Liam, can you show him? He's not far off. I actually reckon... I actually reckon that... A lot of people's power comes from your hips and I reckon sometimes when I'm playing, yeah, it's the same thing. John Rahm. If you try and hit it too hard and you're all arms, that's when you actually lose your power. So I think a lot of, certainly my biggest sixes come from hitting off your back hip.

1:12:00This comes through and this will actually come off the floor. Very good, Phil. So it's like a transfer of weight that comes through and then you sort of, your hands and arms go with it really. So everything comes from your legs and your ass.

1:12:12Michael Vaughan: So if you've got, let's say, 11 to 14-year-old kids that are setting up, they're seeing the kids smack it to all, but how do they get to do that? Swing, like learn their own swing. I hate seeing, you know, like when you go down the thing and you've got old people doing this. I'd rather kids just hit pro balls. Like Bumrah, for example, if he was English, he'd have had his action taught out of him. So I think until you get to a stage of, I don't know, 14, 15, you should just throw balls to you and just work a way out. Obviously, you've got a bit of guidance. You'll put a gate there and say, how did you hit the ball through there?

1:12:48Hit the ball.

1:12:48Phil Tufnell: And does that come a little bit from clearing that? Look at Suryavanchi, for example, he doesn't... He's not hitting sixes like this, is he? No, he's not. He's like over here and he's like this. Yeah. But do you reckon he did start hitting? Because we're like... It'll probably...

1:13:02Michael Vaughan: What, when he was three? Well, if I never... I coached like the under-11s and under-10s. You coach here? Well, I didn't at the village. Obviously, you've got to guide them. You've got to give them... It's a really interesting debate. I'd rather people have a natural swing or whatever. But then, like, so they go from softball, where the only way you can hit a softball is by whacking it. Whacking it. Because it goes nowhere. Then they start playing hardball, and they try and hit a hardball like that, and they miss it, and they get a new out straight away. Yeah. So it's like that... You've got to have some form of technique.

1:13:33So you've got to have some kind of thing to keep that ball out, the ball straight out and then when it's not on the stump you'll be able to whack it so it's you know I sit there talking 11 year old who they're so keen both boys and girls and they're transitioning from hard ball to soft ball and trying to get that balance I mean I'm saying you've got to try and get that high elbow because you've got to keep the straight ball out because it's really hard to hit a straight ball with a cross bat but then as soon as it's wide trying to whack it as well so it's trying to let them find out without over coaching them I'm trying not to over coach but then you say they're going and they just miss four in a row and get bowled four times in a row, trying to slog it across the line.

1:14:12That balance is not easy. But you look at the Indians in a street. They grow up playing cricket in the streets. I tell you what, if they get out there, they ain't batting again, are they? Yeah, and they'll learn everything off watching what's going on and then they'll go out and play and they'll find their own way of doing it. I think that's a great way for kids to learn. rather than sort of like being told what to do.

1:14:40Phil Tufnell: But Liam said there, just at the end, that you then pick an area, a gate or a board, right, try and hit that. Work away yourself how to hit that. So you get your hands in a different position from there, there, there, there. Different target, red target, yellow target, blue target. Right, see if you can hit that and let them work it out themselves. I think Bumra's a great example. Like, if he was English, there's no way he'd bowl like he does. Malinga? Malinga, people like that. It wouldn't happen, would it? Because everybody's taught to do the same thing over and over again. Wainaku, Lassariya, Patamendigay, Usanta, Joseph, Chiminda, Vass.

1:15:19Phil Tufnell: Jesus. Can you spell that? Go on, then. W-A-R-A-K-A.

1:15:27Michael Vaughan: You, lad. You can't think you spell that. Right, last couple, last couple. Test match's starting. It'll be tomorrow now. Test match right tomorrow. What should I pack in my picnic bag when I go to my first test match? Oh, at large. Yeah, you can take anything, right? Tequila. You can take anything. You're going tequila, are you? Tequila, Jesus. Casamigo. It wouldn't be a long test match, would it? You're having a pork pie in there, aren't you? We'll be back on the tube. Scorch egg. Scorch egg. Scorch egg. About your 60th, that's what you gave us.

1:15:57Phil Tufnell: Yeah, yeah, it's nice. Yeah, nice, that. Pork pie and mustard. Are you invited? No, it's 60th. 60th. How was the representation from sticks cricket? It must be coming up. When's your 60th, Phil? Phil, when's your 60th? Kat, when is it? I've had it. Lovely scotch egg, Phil, thanks for that. So scotch egg pork pie. Hey, what did you have for main meal? Bag of Chris. Don't say that grub weren't any good, mate. It must be a fucking fortune. I got a pie.

1:16:23Michael Vaughan: I got a pie.

1:16:24Phil Tufnell: No, you did. You got a main. You got a main. We had fish, lamb, chops, pie and mash. I had pie. I was actually a pie. There you go. Fucking beautiful pie. Pie and mash. Fucking hell. 60th party. It was the last time we paid for my fucking dinner.

1:16:39Michael Vaughan: And all my piss. Yeah, pie and mash. Lovely. So we're having pie, scotch eggs, tequila. Pies, a quick bite. Sausage roll, Chris. No, no, nice glass of wine. Oh, champagne. Bag of Chris. Bag of Chris. Bag of Chris. Champagne. I think our Chris section, we're going to have Chris on the table. Have they gone, Harry?

1:16:54Phil Tufnell: Brew dog. Bit of brew dog. Not sure that we're going to have Chris. Triple A, Aisy Jane. They're very loud and crunchy on the table. Yeah. People listening to you crunching Chris.

1:17:01Michael Vaughan: just over.

1:17:01Phil Tufnell: Beuve Clicquot.

1:17:06Michael Vaughan: Right, we'll finish with this one. Right, pick one. Germany to win this year's World Cup or the Aussies to win the Ashes next year. You've got to pick one. Do you like Germany or Australian one? Aussies to win the Ashes. I'm going to Australia

1:17:23Phil Tufnell: because I do a lot of work. He's going to say it. You can't say it. Yeah. The Jurgen Klopp that lives in Majorca. What's that got to do with it? We were saying, let's go to Mallorca and do the show. Oh, right, right. Jurgen Klopp lives over there, and somebody else lives over there. Who we've forgotten? Clooney. No. Rob Bransgrove. Rob Bransgrove. Has he gone to Mallorca? Lives in Mallorca. We could go to Bransgrove's house and talk us through Hampshire. Get on here. Right, that's it, lads. Well done. Thanks, Liam. Very good. Thank you. Thank you.

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