England To Beat India, Zak Crawley Debate & Lara Keeps Record | Stick to Cricket EP 3

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2:00Michael Vaughan: Phil, you've brought your driver Roger in, haven't you? Yeah, yeah, Rog. All right, Rog? Yeah, I'm all right. Thanks, Hugh. Yeah, what do you reckon to the set? Lovely. There's Phil's bats up on the wall. They'll be using that soon. Chair for you. Who's this? This is Roger, Phil's driver. More. More, Rog. I think he is. I'm going to see you all right. Yeah. Phil, you're very tanned, aren't you? I've been away, Mike. Yeah. Yeah, I've been on my holidays. Where'd you go to? Espanol. Espanol? Espanol. I've actually got a few presents for you, lads. Oh, yeah? Yeah, I was thinking of you, I was thinking of you.

2:32First of all, I've got you some ham. Jamon. Yeah, jamon. Jamon. Yeah, the stuff with the little bits of acorns in it. Patanegra, the black foot pig. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's lovely, lovely that. Is that for us all? Well, we can all share that. It's lovely, that is, yeah. I'm just going to get it open. Yeah, patanegra. Can we get it open? Well, good luck. I don't know how you're going to do that. Well, there's a bit of oil on it, isn't there? We need some tissues and things. Oh, that's lovely. Yeah, that's gorgeous. I'm a bit like that. Oh, honestly, you'd like that. Have you not had Patanegra? Yeah, I have.

3:02I have. I'm a bit of... I like Parmaham. Do you want some rods? Well, Parmaham. Parmaham. You'll love that. Now, bum, bum, I thought of you, because you like your music. Yeah? Yeah? No. You like your music. In the Oiglaces. Yes, there you go. So I got you some castanets. Got you some castanets. I thought that might be good for you. There you go. Whatever it is. What's it called? Flamingos?

3:29Michael Vaughan: Yes. There you go. So you've got them. There you go. I don't quite know how you use them. Well, I'll find out in a minute. They look a bit tricky. Sir Alistair, I saw these and I didn't quite know why, but I got you some sardine-flavoured chocolates. Why is that? I don't know. I'm not sure. But I just thought they look nice. So you've got some sardine chocolates. They can't be sardine flavoured. It says, John. Yeah. So there you go, because I love a sardine over there. Mike, I know you like fish over there, don't you? Oh, tell me you've got me a proper fish. No, no, I've got a fridge magnet. Oh, that's a lovely touch, Phil.

4:09Thank you very much.

4:10Michael Vaughan: Look at that. So that was where you went Malaga, isn't it? Yes, just up the road, yes. So there you go. So that's what I've been doing a week. I haven't seen much of the cricket. No, no, you've not missed much. What does a day in the life of Phil Tufnell look like on holiday? Go for it. You wake up at what time? Well, usually rise early. Do you? Yeah, about nine. Well, no, nine-ish. Right, OK. Nine-ish. And then down to the colliery for a full brekkie. Full montage. Full montage. Down the pit. Gone down the pit. The colliery. Well, that's right. We've got the colliery. What are we talking of full monty in Malaga?

4:46Michael Vaughan: How much? Five euro. Five euro. Get a load of toast, coffees, orange juice. There you go. That's me knuckles, that is. That's not working. I think you've got to get one there. What? Yeah, and three pints of cruise campo. What, at breakfast? Yes. You've heard this awful. Well, then what? Then what happens? Well, then you might go back to the pool, perhaps have a little chill out. I did wash a little bit of the cricket in the pool. or down the beach, Mike. Yeah. Bit of lunch, some sardines. Mmm, sardines. Speedos? Yeah. No, not the speedos. Budgie smugglers? No, no, no, don't use the budgies. Not yet.

5:30Gower does, doesn't it? Does it? Gower does. Does it?

5:33Michael Vaughan: Or proper budgie smugglers. That's your generation, though, isn't it? You'd have had... I'd never have that. You'd have had speedos. My mother bought me a pair to Australia. I'd never been out of England because I had a jockstrap. they haven't been invented. And my mother put some woolen swimming trunks in to hold my little box in. Woolen? Swim. Woolen. 42 degrees. Woolen swimming trunks. They were hanging down by my knees. I saw Badger Smugglers down there. Do you get recognised? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're that man off what? You're that man off... Off what? Off which show? Off telly. Which show?

6:13Off the radio. I recognise you from the radio. I recognise you from that Stick to Cricket show. Absolutely.

6:19Michael Vaughan: You're the batting expert, aren't you? I am. I've got to recognise that year I brought the kids out, didn't you? Who was it? It was staying the same next... Carlos Tevez, wasn't he? He wore budgie smugglers. He did. No way. He had a pair of white budgie smugglers. Carlos Tevez. He did. Everywhere we went, he was behind us. Little Carlos. Around the pool, so there was people all over the place. Was it little Carlos, wasn't it? Was it big Carlos? I don't know. He lived in Presbury, lived near us, did he? When I lived over this way. Four players. Come on and scored four in that charity game the other night.

6:55Michael Vaughan: He did, yeah, at Soccer Aid. Yeah, just made it look easy. Well, you would do against Love Island. Paddy McGuinness in there. Oh, he's a dreadful goalkeeper. Is that right? Sheffield, what have you been up to? Oh, I had a week off.

7:10David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Weren't selected for the last Test match. Actually, you went and had a game of cricket. How'd you get on? Beds Farmers. How'd you get on? For who? Beds Farmers. You know how I play. Yeah, I always talk about Beds Farmers. But we had a away trip, away weekend. We went to Norfolk, I'll say that. Went to Norfolk for a game against West Norfolk. Farmers? Farmers. Our touring record is poor. We kind of go the night before, try and prepare ourselves properly for the game. No, we were something like 60 for four and I thought, oh, we need a few more here. So I tried it back properly. Got 17. How out? How long did it take you?

7:49David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Bold. Bold. Bold. Bold. Inside, there's no need for that. Onto my back leg. But this guy was all over me. A Chinese cut for four already. Dropped. It's not good. Has it left you a little bit? I think so. Has it left you a little bit? And also, I reckon you and I might be in the same boat skipper. and I don't mean this disrespectfully to the bowlers who are bowling it, there are certain players who are really good players of bad bowling. Of shit. Yeah, I don't want to disrespect West Norfolk for it, but it's not Boomer or... Well, they are farmers. They are flying it. Anyway, you just can't hit it.

8:32David 'Bumble' Lloyd: I can't time it. I think Joss Butler's talked about that as well, saying he struggles with that. I'm trying to think, who would be... Is he a farmer? No. I'm just saying, who would be a really good... Because there's certain players, you've got to watch a bit of club cricket and they just destroy it, don't they? They destroy bowling. But then you know that when they get to the next level up, they're never going to score a run. This last test, I said, put Duckey Tom. Put Duckey Tom. Bowling. What, ball? Never hit him, would he? Why? Don't get much bounce. No bounce. He'd go under the back. I think Gil would have been in it.

9:04He'd go underneath.

9:05Michael Vaughan: I don't think I've ever seen him bowling. Good. Put him on. What, and he just... Yeah. Wicket to wicket. Keeper stood up. Yeah. It wouldn't bounce a lot, would it? I'll get under the bat. Get him on. He put Harry Brook on.

9:17David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Yeah. Yeah, I don't think... Matthew Walker, remember Matthew Walker? Yes. Yeah. I think he got KP out once. Did he? In an Essex game. Again, he's not... Yeah, I think he might have Duckett. So you think that's a saviour for England? Ball Duckett, yeah. They put Lloyd Dobbington Dobb on, didn't they? Lloyd Dobbington Dobbs was coming on to ball now. Harry Brook. In a test match. Off the wrong foot, sort of. Shocking.

9:42Michael Vaughan: Lord Dobbington-Dobsworth. On that given day and the second day, he bought more overs than Wokes and Stokes. Who did? Lord Dobbington-Dobsworth? Yeah, Dobby, yeah. Lord Dobbington-Dobsworth. Did he? Yeah. Coming on to the ball. I put it in the paper. And at 2.43 precisely, somebody who won a raffle, obviously, at lunchtime, came on to the ball. Lord Dobbington-Dobsworth. You also put in your paper column about Adele. There was one little segment about... No, rolling in the deep. Yeah. Deep. Rolling in the deep. I catch deep. Rolling in the Deep. Oh, I see where you're coming from. The paper, it went straight over the reds.

10:19Everything in there was the lyrics from Rolling in the Deep. Yeah, I doubt it. Every bit. It's the first one on the left in your column. Yeah. It's funny you say that about you can't whack rubbish because Gucci, do you remember when we used to throw them up to get a declaration?

10:34Michael Vaughan: Yeah. You know, back in the three-day games and everything like that. Middlesex Essex at Lourdes, Gucci, we put it on Ian Hutchinson or something bowling all this weird stuff and Gucci couldn't do it and it was becoming a little bit embarrassing so he said right now can you bring him off I want toughers on and I came up and bowled and he sort of could hit it then you know what I mean I don't know how I've got the power I don't know what it is you're never a power I still think you'd be alright you were craft and deflect Hector. He never saw me back.

11:11David 'Bumble' Lloyd: He had the curtain shot. Play a cook. Good on the cook.

11:17Michael Vaughan: He was as good as playing the high ball. You got your hands that high cooking. Just to smack it down better than anyone. You've got dark eyes. What do you mean? Brown eyes. His eyes are wide open. What colour eyes have you got? The man a bit lighter. We're no good at that. He's got light eyes. I've got lovely blue eyes. so you reckon you need dark eyes yeah what all great batters have dark eyes do they yeah do they are you sure go on then Dom Bradman I'm going to be blue on I'm going to study Shudman Gill's eyes this week and see if they're dark I'll tell you what how good's he yeah he's still batting he's still in still in yeah couldn't get him out and oh and surely we're going to change that attack yeah they were blowing out the backsides weren't they our lads too tall too tall hitting the pitch their lads come in and just skidded it on nicely a real handful I think should we start the show?

12:16Michael Vaughan: Yeah that's just been us pissing about yeah what's the show about? Let me go now get shut it right alright Rog I'm off now thanks mate cheers Rog thanks for that Rog I thought you were going to be one of the main pundits this week how about every week just get somebody rammed up off the street He's sitting here for 20 minutes. Can you come in with us?

12:44You're 1-0 up. Yeah. You rack them up on an absolute road. Grind them. They're not doing this Bashir any favours either by bowling foot. No. There's two big talking points.

12:54Michael Vaughan: Shoei Bashir, where does he sit? And Zach Crowley at the top of the order. If you're picking the strongest England side, I don't think he gets into it. I would pick Liam Dawson. He said he would not want an Alistair Cook-style player in his England side. He did very, very square on. Your head automatically goes like that. You're ready to press back, you're ready to press forward. So you run the balls on your feet, like that, you know what I mean? Like doing the cha-cha-cha. Like that. How does that go, the cha-cha-cha? I don't know. 1974-5, the drink that came out, milk and coke mixed. We're all like balloons at the end of it.

13:30Touching me, touching you.

13:36Michael Vaughan: Hey, before we get going, do you know these two balls there? Yeah. So we've got a kookaburra. Yeah. And we've got a duke. Splendid. Yeah. What about? Just in case you want to speak about them. That's interesting. I'd be interested in that. Yeah. Oh, here we go. You're not the bowling demo, man. I know. Cookie's the... I've got the yips. He's the bowling expert. Or a board of... It just doesn't feel right. That's the cook. This is the duke. That's the duke. See, oh, it's just a better ball. Well, look at the colour for a start. Well, for a start, cherry. The start, cherry. Cherry. And sort of red, cerise.

14:09Cerise, yeah. Or coral.

14:12Michael Vaughan: Yeah, but that cookable ball's got more of a seam than the ones in Australia. The ones in Australia that seams are flat. That's the duke with a more prominent seam. Give us that here, Cap. Which camera are we on? That one. You see them? That's the Duke, that's English, that's Australian Cucamera. That seam is wider than that, I can see that, you can see it from here. That seam is wider for the start. And this seam is more pronounced on the ball than that. Look at the colour, that's cherry red and that's going on to a pinky sort of colour. Doesn't matter how much Vaseline you get on that Cucamera, it ain't never going to swing.

14:54Vaseline? What do you mean, Vaseline? A tub of Vaseline behind the stump? Fred used to put brill cream on it. Well, there you go.

15:05Swing this round, fucking good. Wonder what's fucking it when I get out there.

15:11David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Where do they go? The ball's been an issue, hasn't it? Eh? The ball's been an issue. We all talk how much we like the Duke's ball, but... Go soft.

15:19Michael Vaughan: Go so soft, doesn't it? Come on, let's start this show. Let's start this show. Let's start. Come on, dissect the test. Who wants to start? You've been in Spain. You've seen a bit of it. You've been playing cricket in Norfolk. Dave, you were there. I'll start it off. Go on, then. I'll start it off. Wrong decision at the Zos. Right, OK. So we'll start from there, yeah? We'll start right from there. We'll take it right, right back. You had India on the ropes, shocked, bemused. After being in the game at Edinburgh, you see a road. You think to yourself, right, come on. No boomerah. No boomerah. Let's go out there on a flatty, grind them in at the dust, go and get 600, basball them everywhere.

15:59And then just, you know, what it's like. You know what I mean? You've been in the field for a couple of days or 150 overs or something like that. You're done. And they had the opportunity of that. And I think that they just gave it back to the oppo to perhaps get themselves back into the game. Did Gil say he was going to bowl? Yes. Wow.

16:17Michael Vaughan: Remarkable. They play two spinners, so they bring Washington Sundar in, so they've got Judaysia and Sundar, no Bumrah, and he was going to bowl as well.

16:26David 'Bumble' Lloyd: It's all changed. I kind of get Stokes, as a captain you need, not a theory, but stuff you live by, don't you, as your leadership stuff. So I understand why when you're undecisive, indecise is probably a better word, that you go one way. But it seemed that was just the same, wasn't it? I was so surprised they batted at Headingley, bowled at Headingley. I didn't even cross my mind that when I was driving up at Headingley and then Hedges was insane.

16:55Michael Vaughan: But do you think at Headingley they got away with it? I know they won the game, but if you actually study the whole test at Headingley, if India had brought their hands to the first game and caught, you've got to say that England would probably have lost that game. The skill sets that they brought at Hedges, and for five days, India, I don't think you can play any better than that, can you? They caught well, didn't they? Yeah, everything. Bowled, batted, caught. I understand their mantra. You know, come on, let's go out there, we'll stick them in and we're going to chase and get whatever you get.

17:27But sometimes the rhythms of cricket dictate. Red hot, flat pitch, get yourself batted.

17:35David 'Bumble' Lloyd: It's going to be interesting at Lord's, isn't it? Because it's going to be hot again this week at Lord's. Do you think, coach? You can't add to that. You're 1-0 up. You rack them up on an absolute road. They're not doing this Bashir any favours either by bowling foot. It's after you, Claude. You can have a back. Oh, thanks very much. We'll get 600 and odd. Well, if you want a chase, now you've got one. And they ain't going to do it. Just on the pitch, right?

18:02Michael Vaughan: Mental fatigue. So the chat after the game from Baz McCullough and Ben Stokes, they've been into the pitch. It's not the pitch that England thought. They thought it played more like a subcontinent-style wicket. Really? Can you name me a pitch at Edgbaston that has had pace and bounce in it? No. So I don't get when they say it was subcontinent start. Edgbaston, it might swing if the conditions come in, but it's always been slow. Up and down at the end loss. You know what I mean? One keeps low. Lion's got a five for their record. For day five, it's hot and dry. You've got 600 under, aren't you? It's the one venue that I look at in the UK and think, you know what, in my recollection, spin does come into the game.

18:41Michael Vaughan: Spin does play a part at Edgbaston, And just because they chased 378 in 2022 against India, and then they chased it headingly just a week or so ago, they just went on those decisions. It was bone dry. It was bone dry. There was hardly any, I don't even think there was any grass on it. Well, that's the point that they were making all along. We wanted more grass. So seeing the pitch two or three days before, there were grass on it. And then they took it off. So why did they take it off? because they want it to last five days at Hedgbaston. It's their financial season. Get the beer in. Yeah, they want it five days.

19:20It started Wednesday, so it finishes Saturday, Sunday because there's three days for the players, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, in order for the Lord's Test to start on a Thursday. They want the revenue. They're going to take the grass off. Of course they are. But if you think, if the pitch was so good

19:38Michael Vaughan: and it was a good pitch, good pitch why were England 83 for 5 84 for 5 yeah because they could actually get movement out of this pitch with their skill sets which were better than our skill sets with that pitch smaller ballers skiddy are kissing the top our big fellas were banging it in it's just going bump they were skidding it and just kissing the top

19:59David 'Bumble' Lloyd: and there's always that element when you get you're 5 under and 80 behind you know I don't care what anyone says when you're that far behind going out as an opening batsman there you're under you're under the pump but they they kind of put the pressure on themselves by bowling first you know like when you win the toss and bowl you hand the initiative over to the opposition like it's a gamble isn't it because if they bat well you know you're always going to be behind the game you're always chasing the game so they obviously don't mind doing it I just wonder whether they a bit like that actually admitted didn't it it's the first you know things are changing this England side you know them to come out and say do you know what we've probably got that decision wrong rather than doubling down on it.

20:39David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Things are changing inside. They didn't try and get 600. They tried to bat for the draw. I actually think they should have made a better fist of it actually. I don't think I thought that was a real pot. Even on that last day you lose those three wickets and you lose seven wickets on that wicket was doable. Even when Jamie Smith and Carstwin there's 40 overs. There's 40 overs.

21:00Michael Vaughan: They only batted 68 overs batting out for a draw and it would pitch. None of the shots

21:04David 'Bumble' Lloyd: apart from Jamie Smith's shot. Yeah Wokes

21:06Michael Vaughan: he played one

21:07David 'Bumble' Lloyd: there you go. when does that go right?

21:10Michael Vaughan: Zach Crawley at the start of the innings wide outside off stump you've got a period to back chasing leather

21:16David 'Bumble' Lloyd: when does Jamie Smith go I'm taking it on I'll take four balls you take two is it like a real shift of actually we're going to try this I don't know one thing I like the hell of the hands up we've all got decisions wrong as captain we've all played bad test matches we've all lost really heavily true and you know But the change in mentality, I said, we've got it wrong. Interesting to see how they react for it. At Lourdes, I bet just cricket and gods will make Stokesy win the toss. See what you're going to do now, mate. Then you could have a bowl first. Well, then you could have a bowl first because actually it's going to get hot.

21:51David 'Bumble' Lloyd: They have to leave grass on that wicket because it gets so dry and so low. So that might be a test for me. Of course, I want England to win every game. But when they got so far behind that game, there's an element of me going, actually if India win this, they deserve it. What a place we're turning up to Lords on Thursday. What did all the old boys say when they used to go out and have a little toss-up? They used to say, well, you have a look, oh, it looks a bit green, you know what I mean? We'll have a bat. You go out there, oh, it looks even more a bit greener and the clouds are in. I thought about it and we still have a bat.

22:26David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Times have changed. Definite. Times have changed. I think we have to accept that. Yeah, they have. That's fair enough. It's good that they've said we move on. And that's interesting. You play poorly. You have a bad game. I don't think you dwell on that. You've got another game in three days' time. And so you're going to say, right, we go again. I wouldn't be surprised if Archer comes in, might play. I don't know much about Cook, but they play Atkinson. They've just dropped. I don't think Atkinson will play. I don't think he's quite ready. They can't play Atkinson. Actually, they both might go ping and they're down to no point.

23:00Michael Vaughan: I've got a feeling that Atkinson will probably miss out this week. Really? Have you got info? Have you got some info? Just a little bit of info. Quiet info. But I'm not 100 % whisper to Phil. But no, I don't think that hamstring's quite right. But we'll see. Goffrey's definitely going to have it. Tell us about Cook.

23:17David 'Bumble' Lloyd: I mean, he didn't bowl as well as he could have done in Zimbabwe, against Zimbabwe. He's a person who doesn't miss length. Bowls good areas, nips it around at around 80 miles an hour. And that on a Lord's pitch with that slope. I just wonder. I think they'll wait on. I don't think they'll want to leave Chris Wokes out. So Tim Murtagh, who played for years and years and years and just got people out at Lord's, same pace. And dead accurate. No, he's quicker than... Trigger Murtagh. He's quicker than Murtagh. If I'm on the podcast saying that Sam Cooke is slower than Murtagh. I think it depends how wokes he pulls up.

23:51David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Because he, again, bowled a lot of overs. But they all like wokes to play on Lord's. Got a great record there. Archer's clearly coming in. Again, a risk, but what do you do? If he ain't going to play last week, he's going to have to... Do you need a spinner?

24:04Michael Vaughan: Well, this is the debate. I mean, you've got, for me, from that second test, and England obviously have gone with a similar squad. They've added Atkinson to the squad. There's two big talking points. Shouy Bashir, where does he sit? And Zach Crowley at the top of the order. Stick to Cricket is brought to you by Betfair.

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26:01Michael Vaughan: Let's start with Shoy Bashir. Where does he sit for you in this bowling attack? Is he too... He's 21 and he's done well in Test cricket. Is he too much of a luxury for this England side at the minute?

26:15He...

26:15David 'Bumble' Lloyd: I see his attributes and I see what he could... I would... If you're picking the strongest England side at this side, I don't think he gets into it. I would pick Liam Dawson. Right. I don't... You know, we talk about... That's failed a bit, haven't I? But... You can always bring it back. He came back into the white ball. Why can't you bring a guy back? He's playing really well. England's MVP last year in all formats. Done really well in T20. Done with you. And he more than holds his own in four-day cricket. Absolutely. He bats and he feels. So with Lyon, they're saying, oh, you can go to Australia, you can have...

26:51David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Lyon's got 600 wickets. But Bashir, unfortunately, doesn't add anything with a bat and not much in the field. So you're thinking, and he's averaging 60. So, you know, he got nine for that and Zimbabwe, and he's improving, I get all that. But does he fit England's contract?

27:07Michael Vaughan: He's going, so at the minute he's going over fours. They want him to play, indeed. Yeah, they do. He's had six wickets of his eight. Six of his eight were caught on the boundary. That's it? He's had a stumping of Mohamed Siraj, and then he got Shumman Gill out.

27:27David 'Bumble' Lloyd: He got pant out once and he... Yeah, that was a nice bit of bowling. That was a nice bit of bowling. Caught on the bounce. You're allowed to get like...

27:34Michael Vaughan: Yeah, yeah, that was quite clever. He knew he was coming out. Yeah, that was quite clever. I'm just defending... It's just weather. You know, this England side and the bowling, it's a great debate, isn't it? So what if you brought Bethel in for the off-spinner? And I don't know well he bowls, but he bowls left-arm spin, root balls. I just... But you're not losing too much from Bashir.

27:53David 'Bumble' Lloyd: No, but I just think you don't... They want Bethel in. They want him in somehow. I just don't think you can play test cricket without someone who is a front-line spinner. Because there's moments where I just don't like it. I agree. We left Graham Swan out once at Headingley and we said, oh, that's right, we've got KP. No, I'm saying you've got KP, he can cover spin. We were the same with Graham Eakon, Mark Ramcrick. Exactly the same. You're trying to get another batter in and lengthen that batter. He can ball a bit. And I'd go into the meeting and say, wait, when did he last bowl? but you're going to throw him a ball in a test match and try and get and he don't bowl for his he don't bowl for his so I just yeah I'm literally going out I'm thinking Bashir so go on I just think Bashir like can still stay around the environment he is a luxury no I'd go out somewhere and bowl and try to take wickets it's no good he'll know that he's not taking wickets and he's going at four plus and over and they could go a lot more at him the other thing I'd say England will say you know

28:54Michael Vaughan: They'll come back and say, he's got more wickets than Chris Wokes. That's what they'll say. And Jadeja. Jadeja's only got one in the whole series. That's fine. Jadeja Bats gets a lot of runs. He's a gun fielder, brilliant fielder. So it's an empty argument. When you talk about Crawley, I'd watch a lot of county cricket. There's three players, Lees, Sibley, Amid, who've played for England. And they're far better players now than when they played for England. Far better. Sippers. Sibley, far better player. He got 300 the other day. I'll go back to the start of Ben's captaincy reign. And whether it was Tongan Sheik, I'm not too sure.

29:34Michael Vaughan: He said he would not want an Alistair Cook-style player in his England side. I believe that this England side need every ounce of an Alistair Cook-style batter. Because at the minute, they come out and entertain us great. But when you're looking at a bowling attack, and a bowling attack that looks, We're only two test matches into five. They look like they were bowling with parachutes on, some of them at Edgbaston. It's not boiling art. It's going to be a bit hotter in Australia in a few months' time. I agree. And you're kind of looking at it and going, well, the reason why we enjoy basketball is because they're aggressive, but they give the bowlers, what, 89 overs rest.

30:11Michael Vaughan: Is when you bowl on. They bowl on every day. They bowl first. You bowl first so you know you're bowling. Guaranteed 90 overs. And you have to bowl a bit more on day two because you get bowled out quickly. Then you're bowling again and again. Before the week's out, you go, the bowlers look like they're going out at LeBlanc. And they were fit and strong because they were bowling less. It was the perfect, it dropped perfectly for India to be able to get back into a series. In conclusion, we've just had a real bad game. England have had a poor game from start to finish. You've got to dust yourselves down and get ready for Lords and improve.

30:45David 'Bumble' Lloyd: This is when now Test cricket becomes at its hardest for players. Bashir youngest to 50 wickets you know everyone says he's improving he's improving and then oh we'll stick with him then suddenly the reality becomes we're looking at his last stats of games he's going at fours averaging 60 or whatever it is and then you're thinking well so he knows they're talking about it Crawley himself has had a bit of a tough period plays one good innings last week and he played brilliantly headingly everyone's like well he got 60 no he did play but he played the best I see his best is a line the right arm over In a real tough situation, Boomer with the lights on, him and Duckett were superb.

31:24David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Yes, absolutely. I know it's only one innings, but then you think, oh, he's put that to bed. It's a bit like Olly Pope, gets 100, we're saying, yeah, brilliant. And then suddenly, within a week, Olly Pope gets two, well, he's actually had four failures in a row in terms of four starts, hasn't he? Because he got his under and not out, failed straight away next morning, failed in the second innings, failed both quickly here, both times starting, which we know is his problem. and then Crawley, who's played really well, got owning partnership, which has been a brilliant owning partnership. We're talking about his place.

31:56Michael Vaughan: How you handle that now... This is the debate. Zach Crawley clearly has had 56 games. He's got 500 at the top of the order. He averages 30. It's the lowest average for any player that's played test cricket that's got over 2 ,500 runs. does that, do we just accept that he will play every game now? Under Ben and Baz. He will play until the end of the strike. Rob Key, Luke Wright, the selectors. Is it just that we, whatever Zach Crawley does, and what really frustrated me about Zach, Head and Lee was fantastic. His feet were inside the line of off-stump. Saw that. He aligned the ball straight back to Bunra.

32:32Michael Vaughan: He goes to Edgbaston, no Bunra. His feet are outside the line of off-stump, and he's chasing channel. And I'm thinking, do you know what? If Bunra had been playing, how would you have lined the ball up? and did he I'm sure he didn't disrespect the likes of Siraj and Akash Deep but when I see a technical change and you think he's chasing those balls that he was chasing against Siraj in his first spell bummer at Headingley Zach was going I'm just going to make you bold to me he's got to realise in his mindset now that he's not good enough to chase we've seen too much of that he chases and gets out too often too soon he has to now align himself up to those straight balls because everyone's going to try and chase him in terms of the straight ball, because he's been out LBW bowled, it's absolutely Christmas as a batter.

33:18Michael Vaughan: Because they'll channel him, and if he can be strong enough, go, I'm leaving that. They're always going to bowl one or two every over straight because he's been out LBW too many times. And he'll go, pop down the ground.

33:28David 'Bumble' Lloyd: It's like anyone who bats an off stump, I find such a hard way to bat consistent in England. Because if you only make one mistake, great for leaving the channel, but you make one mistake, you hit the pad, you're done. You're not going to look like an Australian, where he might bounce over the wicket. The Zach Crawley one, I didn't see him line up against some amateur ads. Was he the same? No, it was quite different.

33:46Michael Vaughan: Exactly the same outside off-street. His feet, this week at Edgbaston. For every bowler? Yes, an inch and a half outside of off-street. I thought he might have been for deep.

33:56David 'Bumble' Lloyd: I don't get it. Side by side, and he could just see it. Yeah, because I thought for deep, he was thinking wide angle. Sometimes when you face Antini, people went across. Three and three now, so even his 60 at Headley, driving out there.

34:06Michael Vaughan: Here we go. Twice at Edgbaston, driving out there with half a bat. I just can't understand why he is an opening batter now. He's played 56 games. You've got to get better. Absolutely. You have to improve. And his failures have been outside channel, chasing it. And you think, if you're going to continue to play in that way, I will guarantee that you're going to give these people behind you some opportunities to catch you. How many more failures? Well, he's in. But it's the question. Is he in forever? This is a useless debate for us. He's going to play. Every game. Until the end of Australia. For that one knock, for that one or two knocks when he just goes bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

34:45Michael Vaughan: So in football, I was speaking to the producers. So in football, it's like, say, you're a striker and every 12 games he pops one in from 40 yards and you go, that's why we pick him. That's what's happening at the minute. But then he keeps missing them from six yards. You've got to put that in the back of the onion basket. Rasmus Island. Well... Man United. Well, I don't think... Well, have you boys had a word with him? What, Rasmus? No. I don't know him. Where's he lived? Phil, get your bat. Get your bat. Get your bat. The batting expert. England, and Olly Pope, you've mentioned Olly Pope. Yeah.

35:27Michael Vaughan: This week at Edgbaston, he just looked, for whatever reason, he looked back to the Olly Pope that... Frenetic. Yes, that's the word, frenetic. Jittery. And both Zach and Olly need to be able to defend It's a nice play, that, isn't it? Phil, they need to be able to defend. Look, Shubman Gillum, we'll get on to Shubman. Yeah. The reason why Shubman's managed to get 430 runs in a game is because he can stay in. Forward D. Forward D. Phil, can you just explain how you play a forward defence? It's the first page of the manual, MCC. What I like to do is, first of all, take guard, because I've seen you do that a couple of times.

36:03And what guard are you taking? I'm not quite sure. What guard are you taking? I always used to say two. Right. Which I think is middle and leg.

36:12That's it, that's two. Thanks very much. So you scratch it so you know where it is, that's it. So we're in. Now, when I was at the crease, I used to have my feet perhaps shoulder-width apart, shoulder-width apart, so you're in a nice, comfortable stance. Balls of your feet, on the balls of your feet, like that. Back comes down. Now, the back... Oh, just hit the stumps. Here we go. The back lift, the back lift. Keep your hands in nice and tight. If you can imagine like a box, you don't want your hands out here because then the tail of the bat starts wobbling around. So keep your hands in nice and tight there.

36:51Nice and tight, like that. Slightly flexed at the knee, like that. Why flexed at the knee? Well, just so you're ready to move. You're ready to move. You're ready to press back. You're ready to press forward. So you're on the balls on your feet, like that. You know what I mean? Like doing the cha-cha-cha. Like that. How does that go, the cha-cha-cha? I don't know. So anyway, so you've got your hands there like that, and then eyes level. As I say, eyes level, both eyes looking at the ball like that, shoulder there, and this is what England need to do. Know where your off stump is, so you line it up with your outside eye.

37:23Anything outside your right eye, if you're right-handed, that's that channel. Boom. Boom. Just let it go through, yeah? Just let it go through. So hands nice and tight. If you feel it's coming towards your stumps and your pads, As you say, your little trigger movement, my trigger movement was... Oh, fucking hell. That was my trigger movement. But these boys' trigger movement is usually, as you say, on the balls of your feet, back and across, front foot slightly open, so if you see it full, it's just a press. A press and stop it. I'll play it.

38:04David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Can I... Very good. How technical can we get? Very technical. Come on, go on. No, no, no. Get your bat. You get another bat. Get another bat. You can't use spells. Can we talk about Olly Pope for one second? Yes, please. Can you get your bat? No, I'm not right-handed. Getting your start. All right. So Olly Pope, right? I'm not sure the show has technical stuff, but Olly Pope, we talk about his starting thing. Yes. You know he's talking about his eyes level? Yes. So Olly Pope, when he defends, can you just defend the ball and then put your head slightly this side, keep going this way? He defends like that.

38:36David 'Bumble' Lloyd: He falls over the ball quite a lot when he defends. I'm a quite big Olly Pope fan, but his stance, now I'm going to do it left-handed. Sorry, right-handed. His stance, he's very, very square on with his shoulders, really square on. And if you go like that and then you try and move to the ball, your head automatically goes like that. So I think if I was coaching Olly Pope, now I'm sure, I'm sure people are talking about, I'll get him to open up his shoulders a little bit. Just not be too open, but just a little bit to get the shoulder out of the way. that allows his head not to go that way. It's amazing if you open up your shoulder, your head stops there.

39:09David 'Bumble' Lloyd: And I think it's a pure technical thing for Ollie Pope. You watch how he defends. Every time he defends, even when he's playing well, his head's that side of the ball. And I'll tell you what that brings in as well, which he sometimes then gets out early on, is drag-ons inside edges. And balls like that, you sort of... I think if he left his... You watch in his set-up, he's very, very straight on.

39:27Michael Vaughan: I would like him to let go of the ball. On the fifth morning, before playing, it rained a bit. I did notice he was working on something like that with Triscothic on the ground. I just looked down. You know, when you see something, you kind of go, oh, that's a bit... And you could see they were technically talking about his head position. I would like to have a little change that.

39:46David 'Bumble' Lloyd: But then you don't... But the problem is, I'll say one more thing. If you then change something like that, it's a cause and effect, isn't it? You change something then. We all know if you change one thing, something else creeps in. He might think that's my... My shoulder's been there. It helps. me playing all my other shots. You two boys, sorry, quickly, you two boys, when you're a batter, you've got to have a good, I call it a stop. You've just got to be able to go, stop. Stop the ball. Stop the good ball. All the great players have had a great defence. Yeah, just, and sometimes, you know, Triscoffy, even Strauss and you like that, sometimes it doesn't have to be, it's just, even.

40:25Michael Vaughan: Well, if you just, stay in your stance, stay in your stance, for Zach Crawley, just play the three shots. I've never done so many runs when I was back. Just play the three shots that Zach's got out to in the last three innings and the channel is out here. Go on. Right. So Zach Crawley, if he wants to be consistent, at Head and Lee, for the first, whatever the spell was of Bumrah, all he looked to do is play straight. So all he was thinking about is off stump, straight, just straight. Anything outside that right eye or at least a yard or so, let it go through, let it go through. And for him to be consistent, it's not being out of the realms to say, look, Baz Paul's a great conversation, But if he wants to be in this England test team, not just for Australia but beyond, he has to start being consistent.

41:07Michael Vaughan: And the way that he can become consistent is just let the ball the ball to him. Number three, he's always ready. Oh, yeah, you're like this.

41:15David 'Bumble' Lloyd: Number three, he's always ready. The interesting thing about the Zach Crawley argument is when one of your main scoring shots is the cover drive, it brings that argument in it because he's looking to score. He's looking to score. With the new ball, clearly it's dangerous. I reckon he's fallen.

41:32Michael Vaughan: I reckon, forget that out there. Forget that. So as a batter, right, I'm just saying to him, if he wants to stay in the Singleton Test team for a year, two years, play 100 tests, forget that out there just for a while, play the straight drive, which he's played a couple of times nicely, and wait for that one on his pads. And by the way, he plays the pool shot fine. So he's got three, you had what? What did you have? About three shots. Correct. Now, the best, the best. Boy, what did he have? I'm not saying that they can play all like you or Geoffrey, but if he wants to be consistent in this England side, he has to just stick to three shots at the start.

42:04Colin Cowdery, who you probably all know the name, Colin Cowdery, wonderful player for England. He did a batting seminar at Lillyshaw when we used to use that, six shots max. That's all you need, six shots max, and you've got to be able to defend. I just want to ask you, if he opens his shoulders, does he also open his feet? Well, his feet are open. Right.

42:25David 'Bumble' Lloyd: So actually his feet are open. So? So he's a bit twisted. Oh, Dave, you get the bat. Oh, this is great. Dave, come on. I don't need a bat. I don't need a bat. So if he's here, right-handed, and he's on sort of leg and middle, and he opens his feet up and he opens his shoulders up, through his mind, he should be saying, it's coming there, I'm going to knock it back there like that. If he wants to play out there, hellish dangerous, because at that pace, 90 miles an hour, it's out there, the ball, he's got to be able to turn everything. He's got to turn his feet, his hips, his shoulder to there to play that shot through there.

43:02There's three or four waiting for it. Dangerous shot. That's your shot there. Yeah, but also from his position there,

43:08Michael Vaughan: what's his favourite shot? The cut shot. Right, so it's short and just slightly outside of stump. He's in a perfect position. He cuts it. So one of your shots there, from that position, one of your shots is bang. You don't need to do anything. Bang, I'm going to hit it there. But in his mind, he said, So they've got a mid-off. I'm going to hit this to the right, a mid-off, every time. Forget that. You haven't enough time at 90 miles an hour to turn. And that's why he looks frenetic. That's why he looks frenetic early on, because he has to get all this thing moving just to get over there.

43:41David 'Bumble' Lloyd: He doesn't trust his technique. I think it's easier to turn the shoulder. You can turn the shoulder. It's easier to turn your shoulder into the ball than it is to get your shoulder out of the way. Bin the wonderful English cover drive. Bin it. Cut. Everything else that comes in. Forget that, because there's three waiting for your nick. You haven't time. The Crawley one, I think Vaughan is right on the shots. Desmond Ains. Desmond Ains, open. Opening batter, open. It's dead straight.

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45:47Michael Vaughan: Come on, let's get on to Shubman, Gil. Brick wall. I remember when Graeme Smith started his captaincy in 2003 and he got a double at Edgbast and he got a double at Lourdes. This kid's got some, hasn't he? I mean, not only... I thought his captaincy at Hedley, you kind of looked around and thought, oh, I'm not too sure because... First up. Well, this week helps when you get 269. Calm. Time. He's a player, isn't he? Time. Yeah. He's everything that you've just spoken about in terms of what you need at the start of your innings. you need a calmness, you bowl your best ball, and he goes, get past that.

46:21You need organisation, don't you? That's my game, that's how I play, this is how they're going to get me out, I'm not playing. You work all that out. I'll tell you something as well. We were saying he looked a little bit confused in that first Test match, which basball can do to you a little bit. You know what I mean? But to then turn that around, and come there, and peel off a 250 and a 170, or something like that, without his, stand by his decision, we're all going, oh no Bumbra, oh no Kaldi, you know what I mean, all chat, chat, chat, chat, chat. No, I've had a whirl with a coach, this is what we're doing.

46:56I'm going to go out there, I'm going to score 400 runs myself.

47:01Michael Vaughan: 430, it's the second most. 430. What did Gucci get against him? 4-3-3, I was 12. 4-5-6. 4-5-6, so he was on for Gucci's record. The most in a test match. But I mean, that's great, that shows a fella who, you know. Made it look easy. Yeah, but for me that shows up. Where are you bowling to him?

47:23David 'Bumble' Lloyd: I was going to say Gillibald. Leadership, I mean... Yeah, there you go. No, but you talk about stuff and it obviously all went a bit wrong in Headingley. Actually, when you're a leader, the next opportunity you get to go out there as a player on the side to deliver, that's... And that's his skill. I'm a batter. I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I myself is going to put my team in an unassailable position.

47:47Michael Vaughan: So England will bring in Archer. They may bring in Cook. They might bring in Overturn. Let's see what they attack. From what you've seen in the two test matches, clearly he has worked on his technical side because he used to be vulnerable to the LBW bold. So his hands used to go outside the line. He's now got in tight. So it proves to the England lads that you can adapt and you can change. I always thought he used to nick off

48:12David 'Bumble' Lloyd: and then everything I was reading said he was an LBW on. Yeah, well, I said that little nick backer because he planted that front dog a little bit and played. I mean, they're knit back against everyone. Well, there you go. They've already said, we want a more lively pitch, is what they've just said.

48:28Michael Vaughan: They want a more lively pitch. Again, the World Test Championship final had a bit of action in it, didn't it? For the first two days, it nibbled around. But it's not going to have pace. Lords is not a quick pitch. So that means that England have probably, over the course of the last two days, have rung up Lords, which can happen, go, by the way, They sprinkle it a bit. So what do you do at the toss? It's going to be 30 degrees in London this week. I was going to say, Cricket and Gods are going to make stuff. What are you going to do? Which then's Bumra ball from? Well, he balls at both, but generally the pavilion.

48:57Michael Vaughan: What do they say? And then Akash Deep, Bumra and Siraj. I mean, that is a trio now. Yeah. Overcast ball. But it's going to... No, it's not. It's the forecast. Come on. You boys know. You boys know. You've gone out there and do the tossing. You look up at Lords. If it's clear blue skies, you have a bet. I'm looking at the weather. Look. It's going to be... Look all week.

49:16David 'Bumble' Lloyd: It's going to be a tough one.

49:18Michael Vaughan: What is it? 30 degrees? There's no cloud. Oh, lovely. It's 30 all week. Are you going to wear shorts, Mike? I might do, yeah. I've got them on today. So what are you doing? Wearing shorts.

49:33It's a tricky one, isn't it? It's one to lose. It's a good one to lose. Yes, it's not a good one to lose. If you win the toss-up, you're bat. If it's 30 degrees and it's blue sky, A little bit of that, you knock it around. The football's coming to it. The slope comes into it. The old one nips back, keeps going.

49:50David 'Bumble' Lloyd: How easy did South Africa chase those runs against the best barring attack? Just throwing one out there. Yeah, I'm still going back.

50:00Michael Vaughan: That was a quick game, wasn't it? I reckon if the game goes the distance, I think we'll see a bit of spin in a lot of... And if you do back, you're right, you keep Bashir in the side. If you're looking to back. Bashir's going to play, they're not going to play. They have to play a spin.

50:13David 'Bumble' Lloyd: I mean, going quickly back to Gill, how nice must it be for him if England almost have to tactically change the bowling attack? Because when you've got a bowler at batsman who just lined up those four bowlers, five bowlers beautifully, how nice is it to keep on facing him? Just a quick stat. Keep facing him. I think a quick stat, he scored how many runs at that game? 433? Yeah. 430. I think he scored more than I did in 20 years. In one game.

50:40Michael Vaughan: In one week. before we go on to heated exchange let's just talk about Jamie Smith he is some player now I've got some stats here so batting averages for keepers in tests since 1990 Notty Alonot was 32 Stewie 34 Bairstow 37 Pryor 40 Amos 43 the two at the top Jamie Smith's at the top he averages 56 now with nice Yeah, that's what it says here. Ames. Ames, that's it. Ames, not Ames. That's him, Ames. He's good. He was 43. Second, Ollie Pope. Average is 45. So, first and foremost, start with Jamie Smith. Where are we with Jamie Smith? Happy with him at seven? Keep him at seven? So, are you saying that instead of Pope three, put Jamie Smith at three and put Pope...

51:35It's a discussion, isn't it?

51:36Michael Vaughan: Is it a discussion to be had, or is it just that James Smith's now England's keeper real bad in the engine? Jordan Opsie's roundabout as well.

51:43David 'Bumble' Lloyd: I have been involved in a lot of these discussions with Butler, Bairstow, some keeping, some not keeping. I love the fact that McCullen came out and just said, he's just going to be at seven. Let's just get through this. Just play at seven, he's keeping. And it's just absolutely clear as things because I think the danger will only become he should bat at three. Just confuse his players. Jamie Smith will bat a three if England ask him to. Of course, Johnny Baird would bat anywhere. He'd keep, he wouldn't keep. But I just wonder, looking back on my time, whether actually we confused Butler, because Butler played sometimes as a batsman and not as a keeper.

52:22David 'Bumble' Lloyd: So did Johnny. I wonder how much confusing that is. And how much as a, how comfortable, when you're an all-rounder, if you fail just as a batsman, you know, I'll say tough as those, but we both know, like, it's the only thing you do, isn't it? But if you fail as a batsman, you're a keeper, you feel as if you can still contribute. It's a bit of a mental thing. I agree. One thing also as well about being a keeper, it's your engine room, it's your stability. As a bowler, I want to see my boy with the gloves on. Who got more centuries of that lot for England?

52:52Michael Vaughan: I'm guessing Johnny? 12. Not as a keeper. No, not all as a keeper. But like he said, anyway. This kid's a special player. Special player. Really? And I tell you what he does better than a lot of them, he smashes it when it's there to be hit, but he can defend. Stops it. He's got great alignment, so that full ball just goes, thank you very much. What he does do is having a fella like that coming in at seven just makes you a little bit wary as a bowling unit. They're all on top of us, weren't they, India? And then all of a sudden there's a potential of a quick... My only concern with him at seven is, will he get stranded?

53:28Well, it's what Cookie says. is that Gilchrist never moved from seven.

53:32Michael Vaughan: That's where he bats at seven. Gilchrist played in one of the greatest teams of all time. So their top six was rock solid and he had a bowling attack that was outstanding. England, over this next seven test matches, no, have we got eight test matches, they're going to be judged, aren't they? And they have to get it right. They have to get their best team out there playing in the different areas. Warnie used to say if he had a proper wicket-keeper, he'd have had 1 ,000 wickets. That's what he used to say. You weren't a bad keeper. Well, that's an homage to Ian Healy. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But this is why we discuss Bashir, and we discuss Jamie Smith, and we discuss him at the top of the hill, because I wouldn't say it's complete D-Day for this kind of group, but we're ready, aren't we?

54:18Michael Vaughan: We want them on a podium with a trophy. Instead of Rog, get Baz. Baz McCourt. Instead of Rog, get Baz. I can get Baz. Can you? I know, Baz, yeah. Oh, well done. Yeah, well, I did the golf game with him, didn't I? Over New Zealand. What was that called? Disc could go anywhere. Yeah. And did it? And did it. It went everywhere. Stick to Cricket is brought to you by Betfair. Lads, heated exchange. India are now favourites to win the series. Discuss. Me, quickly, no. I think that this England side, under the leaderships of Stoke and Baz, As Bum said, they'll brush themselves off and they'll come back.

55:01And if it drops for them, I think they'll keep going. I think England's still favourites for me. I don't think that would have hurt England. They had the opportunity to really nail India in the first two Test matches. That just slipped through the fingers, not the end of the world. Bumrah back? I don't think it matters so much for me. No? No. Bumrah won't make a difference. Well, they played two, lost the first one with him.

55:27Michael Vaughan: Yeah, where he got a few wickets. Yeah, yeah. Oh, right, listen, he's a world-class bowler. But what I'm just saying is... He needed a bit of help at the other end. Yeah, I'm just saying that I don't think that it will knock England a bad game.

55:39David 'Bumble' Lloyd: I think, what about all the other bowlers improve when he doesn't play? Well, Siraj's record, with Bumrah, he averages 33.

55:48Michael Vaughan: On his own. Without Bumrah, he averages 24. I think... Dave, you said 4-0. They've let me down. Yeah. You've let me down. We're still in the shower. I am stubborn. And I'm still, no, I'm going to go 3-1, like you said. Yeah. Are you going 3-1? England, yeah. I think they'll bounce back. Yeah, I did. England? England still, yeah. Still England, 3-1. You're still sticking with that? I'm going to stick with 3-1. You're saying England bounce back, learn from their mistakes. 3-1 or... Where's the draw going to be? I mean, the weather in Manchester's meant to be good, you know. 3-1 then. What were you beginning to say?

56:25Michael Vaughan: Where's the draw going to be? Oh, we're going to have to rain somewhere. Oval. I can't imagine loads is going to be a draw with the weather. Oval. Oval might be. Oval. Lovely drainage. Yeah. It is lovely drainage. Stewie sorted the drainage out. Lovely drainage. You've got your own gates, Stewie, and everything. Can we mention Vian Mulder? The South African number three. He was captain against Zimbabwe. Gets to 367. And he declares himself. Because he didn't want to get to Brian Lowe. 33 away from Brian's record. What did you make of that? First and foremost, what would you have done if you were 367 out against him?

57:01Michael Vaughan: You're going to win the game. Piss it. What are you doing? I'd have had a drink for a start if I've got that many. What drawing are you batting on? When they come out with drinks, it brings a lager. It's been all right, are you? Yeah, the boys used to do that. Did it at Sydney. Did it at Sydney. You know when they come out with the old bottles like that and everything, I've gone for the wrong one. Gin and tonic. What do you mean? What year? What a year. First one, 1990. Give over. It was. All the lads were all sitting there like that. I picked the wrong one. That was gin and tonic. Why, you're in the dirt field then?

57:31Yes, yes. In a test. Yes. Honestly. Do you know what drink we had in 1974? What was the score on that trip? Well, I don't know. They were about 704. But it didn't matter. You forgot by the end of the day you were that pissed. What's that stuff that they have now, like Gatorade or something like that? Electrolytes. Electrolytes and so on. 1974-5, the drink that came out, milk and coke mixed. Right. We were all like balloons at the end of it. Milk and coke mixed. I got some of that down, drink and water. Whose idea was that? God knows. Milk and coke. Is that called a white Russian? No, there was no rum in it or anything like that.

58:11Everybody's piling it on. You know, I've had a drink break. There's two drinks breaking in there. I've had another milk and coke.

58:17David 'Bumble' Lloyd: I love the fact we talked about Mulder a minute ago. We've gone on to milk and smoke.

58:21Michael Vaughan: Bifi in 86, didn't he? He used to have tequila. What was he talking about? Gladstone. Gladstone. Yeah, rocket fuel. Yeah, tequila and fanta. Or not Glaston, Marie, again. Oh, Gladstone. Gladstone S'more was on the tour. He was mixing the tequila on it. Tequila and Fanta. I'll tell you something. If you've got blisters, gone in and flash. What do you mean? Well, because it just sort of goes through your body. It takes all those little eggs and pains out. What about your blisters? Yeah. What, tequila? I'll give over. Girls, I've tried it. When I went on those walks. When I went on those walks. I did a walk, 600-mile walk, boom, tequila and fanta.

58:54Oh, that with beefy. Beefy used to have it. I'm sure beefy. Forget those plasters. Tequila, that'll do. You'll never need another plaster. Anyway, back to that.

59:06Michael Vaughan: Would you have broken the record? No. You'd have declared... I reckon I'd have got to 395. I'd have declared about 150. Of her red inca. Yeah, good for his average. What would you have done, chef?

59:19David 'Bumble' Lloyd: I think I'd have got 380. get a second. So Hayden's at 3.80. Yeah, I've gone 3.85. And then just one thing I said, I think on that last Test match, in the World Test Championship, I said he's not number three. Well, I got that job. He's allowed to break the record.

59:37Michael Vaughan: On the Test match special WhatsApp group, you also said, everyone was on it, mentioning this kid, he's going to break the record. And I went, oh, he can't break Lyra. And he said, well, who's captain? He'll have to wear. And someone went, he is.

59:48David 'Bumble' Lloyd: He is, Alistair. Fair play to him, though. Actually, fair play to say no. I'd have got 395. I'd have got 395. What about if Joe Root had done it? Joe Root was there. Or Harry Brook. Of course you'd break it. What would you do, Phil? I'd have broken it, mate. I'd tell you something. Why not? You're out there with a bat in your hand, you'd break it. Yeah, it's left to be broken. It's a test match. If you're running 100 metres or something like that, oh, no, I'm just going to slow up a little bit because I don't want to break the record. Good point. Yeah, good point.

1:00:23Michael Vaughan: Community questions, lads, just to finish off before you've singers out, Dave. What do you have on your chips? What do I have on my chip? Curry sauce. Homemade. Homemade curry sauce. It comes from what they call it, haran. So you cut yourself some chips. Some chips. Oven chips, or do you make your own chips? No, oven chips. And then you make your own curry sauce to you? Powder. And you mix it all up with water. pile it all on just like chip shop curry sauce it's from Heron I think the company's called Kingfisher lovely lovely I forgot I've got to play it out haven't I'll find it yeah find the music chef what do you have just salt and vinegar ketchup and mayonnaise what?

1:01:09David 'Bumble' Lloyd: ketchup on the side mayonnaise you know too I don't understand curry sauce with chicken chips no no salt and vinegar salt and vinegar S &V. S &V, mum and dad, bit of mum and dad.

1:01:23Michael Vaughan: Bit of Sarsons. Yeah, there you go. What about this one from David? If you were transported 500 years ago with no possessions, how would you convince people that you were from the future? I don't actually understand the question.

1:01:39David 'Bumble' Lloyd: This is Dave. Is that you? Have you asked this, Dave?

1:01:42Michael Vaughan: No, I haven't asked you. David asks, transported 500 years ago with no possessions, how would you convince people that you were from the future? Oh, so if you went back? Yeah. Oh, right, OK. Take your phone with you, can't you? Lovely. I tell you what, make a bat and start playing cricket with a stone. They'd have bricks, wouldn't they? So the bat would be made of stone and a stone ball and a dustbin for the wickets. They'd have dustbins, wouldn't they? Yeah, they would. 500 years ago. Not in Birmingham, they won't, because they're on strike, aren't they still? There's shit everywhere in Birmingham.

1:02:23Are they still on? Piles of it all over the shit. Rats the same size as rock boilers. You've never seen out like them. They're putting rats on leads now in Birmingham. Put rats on leads whizzing round, and there's no chance of them moving till December. Piles of it all over the hockey. Right, so you've got concrete bat. Yeah. Right, right. So they're convinced I'm from 500 years hence.

1:02:50Sing us out, Dave.

1:02:51Michael Vaughan: Come on, sing us out. We've got to go. You've got to... Yeah, who is that? Who is that? What? Is that a cricketer? What's that? M.E.S. M.E.S. Sorry. You're not a cricketer. M.E.S. is the club. It's like Adam Ant. Well, go on. Yeah. Adam Ant. Adam Ant. He's the lead singer of... The Fall. The Fall. Mark E. Smith. There you go. Big mural of him in Salford. It's always worth going, looking at that. 30-odd albums. 30-odd albums. Have you got a tune you sung? Have you got a song you can sing with that one, Dave? Come on, we've got to go. I think I could sing you Sweet Caroline. Yeah, go on. Where it began.

1:03:35I'm going, I'm going, I'm done. I'm done with him. But then I know it's growing strong. Was in the spring, then spring became the summer. Oh, yeah. Who do believe you come along? Hands, holding hands, reaching out, touching me, touching you. Sweet Caroline. Oh, we're doing brilliant with that till that bloke Neil Diamond keeps. Brilliant. Well done.

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