England’s Selector Revealed? Hardik Pandya’s Future & Ben Stokes Returns | Stick to Cricket EP 44

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2:05Phil Tufnell: Delivery fees may apply. You know about paddle, don't you? Yeah, yeah.

2:12Michael Vaughan: I'm in a paddle event this week, the Alfred Dunnell down at the Hurlingham Club. No, never mind what you're doing. That's very smart. Sam Billings, he'll be playing. Never mind. Joe Marler.

2:20Phil Tufnell: Are you... I mean, have you been involved in a company? It's a process. Yeah, yeah.

2:25Michael Vaughan: I invested in a company.

2:27Phil Tufnell: Right, how much is it... I don't build them. No, well, you must know if you're involved in... You must know if you're involved in a company. I know, man. How much is it to build... I've got a little space. I've got space at home. How much?

2:39Michael Vaughan: You want one at your house?

2:40Phil Tufnell: How much?

2:41Michael Vaughan: 50. 50 grand. 50 grand. You've got to get the foundation. Depends on how good you want.

2:45Phil Tufnell: Obviously, you've got to... Flat. What about merch rates?

2:48Michael Vaughan: 50 grand. Delivered well. I don't build them. Well, your company builds them. No, they don't. We get someone in to build them, so we have to pay the people to build them. I could lay the base for you. You'll be good at that. I could do the base for you. Yeah, all right. You do the base. How much?

3:04Phil Tufnell: If he does the base, how much? How much are you going to charge?

3:07Sir Alastair Cook: What, for a pedal court?

3:08Michael Vaughan: Well, you've got to dig down, and you've got to get a bit of... I don't know. 12.

3:13Sir Alastair Cook: Well, just what? To do the foundation? Yeah.

3:15Michael Vaughan: What about you, Roger?

3:16Sir Alastair Cook: Yeah, me and Rog. We'll knock it out, then. You're going to put one in? Whacker play.

3:24Phil Tufnell: I've got to be in a room. It's a good social occasion, I think. Great game. Yeah, great game. Get the whacker on here. Mate, it's rates. 48.

3:35Sir Alastair Cook: 48. There you go. Two grand. You tell a Yorkshireman, two grand drink. That's what you want. So you're going to put one in your house but you don't play?

3:41Phil Tufnell: Yeah, but does he add value to the house, mate? I'd say no. A lot of people fill in the swimming pools.

3:48Michael Vaughan: Yeah, but that's because swimming pools don't like it because it's a cost to run the pool. Yes. There's no cost to run a paddle court.

3:58Sir Alastair Cook: No, but I don't see them necessarily... If the person doesn't want a paddle court, it's going to be a nag to get rid of it. Indoor? But there might be someone that wants it.

4:07Michael Vaughan: Well, so his niche goes up there.

4:08Sir Alastair Cook: Yeah, but you don't want it outdoor, you can't play all the around.

4:11Michael Vaughan: Indoor?

4:11Sir Alastair Cook: What can I... You're in the door.

4:13Phil Tufnell: Let myself out of how's the ego. He said indoor. Indoor.

4:17Michael Vaughan: Indoor paddle. My earpiece is a bit flimsy today. Yeah. Right. Bit flimsy. Paddle court, eh?

4:23Phil Tufnell: That's... Well, forget that then, if it's 50 grand. I thought it might, you know, a bit of publicity. 20 grand.

4:28Michael Vaughan: Right, as we're on you, Bummer, let's just get... Every week, we'll go through it. Lang's Watch, where we're at. Lang's Watch. Where we're at. Lang's Watch. Lang's, you're counting great club. This week's problem is what? Well... Don't tell me there's another problem. When they've lost a game of cricket, they got hammered, didn't they? Against who they're playing? Middlesex.

4:50Sir Alastair Cook: Yes, go on to Siak. You were there, weren't you? No, I wasn't there, but I saw a little bit of it. I was there. Our two opening bowlers. I was there. Morgan, Sharma.

5:00Phil Tufnell: Yes. Good, really good. You've got a good eye, coach. You like them?

5:05Michael Vaughan: Yeah, they were good. Pace. How about Ben Gennettis at the top of the order? good place yeah no he plays for middle sex he wasn't sorry yeah yeah a couple of big blows

5:14Phil Tufnell: do you mean sorting him out first innings but he got a few second innings well he's got a few it was it it was one of them games that you won't get many at old traffic where the balls on top and the lights were on a fair bit it was cold there was a little bit of moisture around yeah 11 mil grass. Oh, that's MCG. That's a lot. That's MCG. That's MCG. That's a lot. The baller was on top. The 11?

5:39Michael Vaughan: That's what you get when you have a seam baller as captain. Yeah. Throw the grass. Yeah.

5:45Phil Tufnell: So Middlesex won the game.

5:47Michael Vaughan: Three days. Yeah, lovely. What about West Ham Arsenal? Oh, foul. It was a foul. It was a foul. But what about the three fouls before the foul? Well, I...

5:56Phil Tufnell: They've been doing it all season. Declan Rice behind the goalkeeper. Declan Rice manhandled the bloke to the floor. He could have got his eyes a foul. I agree with a foul.

6:07Sir Alastair Cook: It was a foul. I listened to the radio on the way home in the car and they said the referee should have gone, but it is a foul, but I could have also fouled. There's also five other fouls in it, so I'm just going to let it go. It is ridiculous, isn't it? There's about 20 fouls at every corner now. It's your team. They've ruined the game. Ruin the game. What do you do?

6:27Phil Tufnell: Rochdale and Boreham Wood. Huh? Rochdale, Boreham Wood. What a game that was. What do you mean? Rochdale and Boreham Wood, the playoff National League. All right. 2-0 down, Rochdale. Boreham Wood, 2-0 up. Yeah. Rochdale again, last two minutes. They do that. Get it in the mixer. Get it in the mixer. Desirouvet, bang, two apiece. Win on penalties.

6:50Michael Vaughan: Rochdale are up there.

6:51Phil Tufnell: What a game. Are they up then, are they? Yeah.

6:53Michael Vaughan: What a game. I saw the York celebrations. There was a turnout, wasn't there? Oh, they're on the streets.

6:58Phil Tufnell: Oh, we're on the city walls. City walls, open-top bus. Brilliant. What's their nickname? What's their name? The Minster Men. The Minster? The Minster Men. York Minster. The Minster Men. Oh, York Minster, yeah. The Minster Men.

7:11Michael Vaughan: Go on, the Minster Men. Come on, the Minster Men. We've had some here. Bumble here. Someone called Declan Cahill has commented on the last episode to say, hey, Bumble, if you see this, when you grow your potatoes, Take one from each crop to use as your seed for next year. Oh, what a good idea. Yeah, that's Declan Kale. Is that Timmy Kales?

7:32Phil Tufnell: Yeah, that's good. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. Yeah. Only onions will be coming. Great. Onions. Got a frost this morning, don't they? No. We're in the Gulf Stream. We're in the Gulf Stream.

7:45Michael Vaughan: It was cold, wasn't it? I went to Valderrama last week. Trade week. Yeah, lovely. Have you played there? No. How do you pay? I'll tell you what, it's tricky. Yeah. Is that where all the cork trees are? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you know what they usually say? Is it 90 % air in trees? Or is that what I'm going to say? Yeah, it's not. It's the opposite there, isn't it? Cork trees.

8:05Phil Tufnell: Did you fly to Gibraltar?

8:08Michael Vaughan: Yeah, flew to Gibraltar.

8:09Phil Tufnell: I'm telling you, go to Gibraltar, go to hotels. Will your golf clubs, will your golf clubs,

8:13Michael Vaughan: just across the car park.

8:14Phil Tufnell: Go through immigration.

8:16Michael Vaughan: There you go, give your passport, away you go. 20 minutes later, Valderrama. Yeah. It's quite windy at Gibraltar sometimes. You can get diverted. The rock. The rock, yeah. Apparently there's monkeys all over that rock. Yeah, they're all. Green monkeys. Yeah, they are. Green? Apparently, yeah. But they're green. That's what they say. I couldn't see them, but that's what they're saying. Probably because they're camouflaged in the trees. If they're green. Any other news, lads? Anything? What have you been up to, Chef? How's the farm good? Apart from eating your croissant. Green, man. I'm always getting caught eating.

8:44Sir Alastair Cook: All good, actually. All good. Good week on the farm. Good week. Well, we wanted to share this week, but it's got too cold because of frost. Yeah. It's really been frosty. Well, do they get a bit chilly then if you take the coats off too early? Do you want your coat off last night? No, chilly. So you choose a warm week for them, do you?

8:59Phil Tufnell: Well, next week, hopefully. You know, our guest sits at the end. Yeah? I've texted Nasser this morning, a visible man. He's gone back to you? No, I haven't. He won't come back yet. So just lean on him. You're Essie's man. You're his mate. He doesn't reply to me.

9:15Sir Alastair Cook: He doesn't reply to me.

9:16Phil Tufnell: He won't reply to me.

9:16Michael Vaughan: Well, we'll see him in a few. When does the first men's game start? I've done anything. June the 4th, I think it is. We used to start first week of May. We used to be working now. Before we get started...

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11:47Michael Vaughan: Jose Mourinho.

11:49Phil Tufnell: Mickey Isaac.

11:51Sir Alastair Cook: Which county did he pay for? Where do you sit? Do they put you in a certain stand? In a cage? Do they put you in a cage?

11:58Phil Tufnell: You and him have just mischief. Oh, Jesus Christ. So, excuse me. Evacuate the building. Evacuate the building. Blew myself off my feet there, sorry. The bags are big. There's not enough crisps in them.

12:13Michael Vaughan: Can you bring us a sheet one day? Yeah.

12:16Phil Tufnell: Are you loud?

12:16Michael Vaughan: What do you reckon? With a faggot. With a faggot.

12:20Sir Alastair Cook: Oh, it's a shame it's not 16-16. That would be a lovely sweep, wouldn't it?

12:26Michael Vaughan: Jacob Beathel got 27. Oh, lovely dog. Yeah.

12:30Phil Tufnell: Do you think Luton will win the Premier League?

12:32Michael Vaughan: Poshy school in the country. It's a proper raw.

12:36Phil Tufnell: You can learn so much from batting with Virat Kohli. You're out first ball.

12:45Michael Vaughan: good win for glamorgan great great when i was there watching a bit of that he's good him what did you tell arch was it was it was it on his debut 18 years of age bowled nicely did he yeah but great game of cricket quick norton quick would i say he's quick uh brisk i suppose he had 18 18. tell you what he batted well as well I think Steve James, Matthew Maynard have coached him a bit.

13:14Phil Tufnell: Just two good blocks there for a start. Steve James and Maynard. Excellent. I like that. I like Glamorgan. I've always liked Glamorgan.

13:22Michael Vaughan: It was a good pitch. There was always something there. Wasn't it a great deal of tweak? I saw a bit of Mason Crane. How did he bowl? He flicks him out nice. He got one wicket, didn't he? I think he looks like he's a good area.

13:37Phil Tufnell: Uncle Morgan's a good story because they were in the doldrums in Division 2. Richard Dawson. And they're very competitive now in Division 1.

13:45Sir Alastair Cook: Is that Richard Dawson? He reminds me of Andrew MacDonald.

13:53Michael Vaughan: What, facially? I just see him as the same kind of character. Andrew MacDonald is very particularly brilliant with these players. Quiet. Yeah, quiet, I would say, but very good communicator. Yeah. Well, not quite. Gets people. Gets how to manage people. Also, he's very good on the game. Yeah, I would say that he is certainly one to keep an eye on. For higher honour, without any question, without any danger.

14:20Sir Alastair Cook: He's been involved in the system somewhere, hasn't he?

14:22Michael Vaughan: Yeah, he's done under-19s. He was with ECB, might still be. He was assistant to Motti, Matthew Mott. I used to play paddle tennis with Matthew Motti the other day in Cardiff. Everyone had paddled. He was my partner, we won. Did he? Yeah, beat my missus and Craig the pro, yeah, that was good. But Dawson is certainly... Who was the weak link there, then? Well, I don't think she watches this.

14:47Michael Vaughan: Brave, brave, brave. I don't think she watches. I'll make sure she doesn't watch this week. Yeah, so Dawson is certainly... I mean, if you think about, you know, last year, around this time, I think they were bottom of the second division. Yes, they were. Got them promoted. Did he take over last year, halfway through last year? Was it last year or... We'll have to look that up. No, he's certainly a coach that I would say, look, Baz McCullum's in the hot seat at the minute, but let's be totally honest, if he has an iffy summer, that's just going to build. Why don't we big up our coaches enough, Mike?

15:22Michael Vaughan: Good question, good point.

15:24Phil Tufnell: Well, have we got him? Well, I think so. We've just mentioned one there.

15:28Michael Vaughan: I will say, Rob, an article. Marcus North looks like he's going to get the chairman selectors role.

15:34Sir Alastair Cook: Yes.

15:34Michael Vaughan: And I've put in the article something like, I think we are terrible in this country at talking down our own. What, coaches?

15:43Sir Alastair Cook: Everything. Well, we always slag off county cricket, don't we? We always slag off county cricket.

15:47Michael Vaughan: We slag off all the coaches. We slag off certain players because it's county cricket and the way that we play county.

15:52Phil Tufnell: Let me just come back to that. We slag county cricket. I think county cricket is super. Kat says that so many people are involved in county cricket who don't actually go and watch it, but you're interested in it.

16:06Michael Vaughan: So Australia is a perfect example. Would Australia, in your... If you look at their kind of period, last 25 years, how many international coaches have Australia have? One. Got it.

16:20Sir Alastair Cook: Nicky Arthur, wasn't it? It went down like a...

16:21Michael Vaughan: Yeah. How many overseas chairman of selectors have Australia had? I assume zero. I assume zero. Why is it in this country? Well, my first thing, when Marcus North...

16:33Sir Alastair Cook: Well, I mean, I still... How does it get leaked, by the way? It was announced last week that it was on all over the media. It's not even been announced officially yet. Listen, at my school, snitches got stitches. You know what I mean? How does everything in the world get leaked? Journalism. Can't anyone just keep the cops shut? But it's not journalism, because actually, when I announced my retirement, no-one knew, because I only told three people. Well, because the three people that you told didn't tell someone else. Exactly. So... Alice. You tell Alice. She knew as I announced it. But where does it leak from?

17:03Sir Alastair Cook: Where is it from that meeting? Is it secretaries? Yes, and then why can't you then trace that back and then give them a damn good telling off? You're not meant to do that. A week ago, we were told Marcus North has got the job and yet it hasn't been announced yet.

17:17Michael Vaughan: I think if it is Marcus, it looks like it will be, I think he's a good appointment. If you look at Marcus, he's been here in the UK for a long period of time. I think it's South Shield's cricket club that he was director of, that he kind of developed a great kind of local club, developed, I think there's an indoor school there, all sorts of stuff. He's done great there. And then obviously he's gone to, well, he's played county cricket for six counties. I see. Six? So he knows county cricket inside out. He's been a director of cricket at Durham, done pretty well at that. They were relegated last year.

17:51Phil Tufnell: Relegated last year. Yeah, so that's probably a little bit of a... He's a good operator. He's a good man as well. He's obviously... I think he's strong.

17:57Michael Vaughan: He's close to Ben Stokes. That relationship obviously is a good one. And lives just around the corner. Helpful. I think he's a good appointment. I think he'll do some good work for English cricket. But I do think we, you know, you look at all our coaches that have had success. Duncan Fletcher.

18:14Sir Alastair Cook: Yeah.

18:14Michael Vaughan: Andy Flower. Trevor Bayliss. Baz McCollum was appointed. We've had Peter Moores, Chris Silverwood that obviously didn't quite work out. No. Why is that? why don't we have a system where... Gareth Batty, Anthony McGar, Richard Dawson, Jason Kerr...

18:34Sir Alastair Cook: Is it a slight respect thing? Well, maybe it's something like... I agree with that.

18:41Phil Tufnell: There's an aura as well. There's an aura. Yes, yes, or something like that. And it's an easy thing to say. We're looking outside of the... You just mentioned four there who I think are very worthy people, involved in county cricket and building teams. You've got to build teams, haven't you, in cycles. You might have a fallow time when you haven't got the tools, i.e. the players, and so you've then got to have a three - or a five-year plan to build a team, which Surrey did. If you recall that Surrey were in Division 2, mid-division... Gareth Batty. They had a plan, and that plan was led by Richard Thompson, who got Alex Stewart together and Gareth Batty.

19:20Phil Tufnell: this is what we're going to do. And this is our mission statement and this is our plan for three years' time to get out of this division. And, you know, that's a plan.

19:30Sir Alastair Cook: My initial thought when I heard Marcus Northwell was that, why did it have to be overseas? That was my ill perspective of how well he interviewed or what his thing. My first thing, why can't we have an Englishman doing that job? That was my, before I even thought about... Does that come ahead, Sir Alistair, of you just want the best man for the job. Well, we don't know the other 40 applicants, do we? No, no, no. So it's quite hard to... But you've just said then, why an Australian? Well, why not an Australian? Because you want an English... It just felt like the chairman's slate is quite a prestigious English job.

20:06Sir Alastair Cook: Yes. I haven't thought too much more about it, just initially I thought... Why, why? Surely we've got someone who's as good a cricket brain as Marcus North, as good as spotting as Marcus North. I mean, you said about South Shields Cricket Club. Well, to me, that's irrelevant. Doing something at South Shields Cricket won't make him a great selector. It might make him a rounded person.

20:28Michael Vaughan: But my point about that is he's been embedded in English cricket for a long period of time, which started at South Shields.

20:33Phil Tufnell: Who were the other candidates? According to the media, it would be Stephen Finn and Darren Goff.

20:37Michael Vaughan: Stephen Finn, Darren Goff. I think Samit Patel was involved there somewhere as well.

20:43Phil Tufnell: So we thought a couple of podcasts back that it might have been Ravi because Ravi retired quickly, didn't he? Ravi Shastri. Ravi Bapara. Ravi announced his retirement and I thought, hello. You know, that coincided with this selector's job and, you know, I didn't see his name. But the two names that were prominent were Stephen Finn. Yeah. In fact, one journalist wrote that Stephen Finn had got the job.

21:09Sir Alastair Cook: And I suppose you're looking at that, he hasn't had any actual experience. of how do you say should yeah of administration but is is a being the chairman of selectors is it

21:19Michael Vaughan: an admin job or is it just a job where you have to be very smart on the game of cricket high for a

21:25Sir Alastair Cook: player yes cricket isn't it there is there is other stuff about I've got to do my line after

21:30Michael Vaughan: yeah you don't I mean emails of course you have to send the odd one or two it's about eyes and

21:36Sir Alastair Cook: ears and but it was also overall unique a overall stuff about on the 19s and academies as well was Is that on the brief as well?

21:42Phil Tufnell: No, I think that's another job. I think that's lower down the scale. The chairman of selectors would be selecting the here and now, which nine of them pick themselves and you're talking about two. So his job is to provide the player for the here and now England team. Below that, you need some people who will be looking five years in advance. so you're looking at your pathway academy your scout particularly under 19 particularly your under 19 players so I would be very interested in Joe Moores at Langs who was a gun player for the under 19s Sharma at Middlesex I saw him this week and he looked fine and so you're looking who's going to be playing for England in five years time which you can say that about county cricket as well what's your three-year plan you know who's going to be playing for you in three years time do you

22:39Michael Vaughan: So our coaches say, we're looking at those names that we mentioned, how do they get to that aura that you mentioned to think, oh, yeah, they can be the next thing. So how do they get, because county cricket is 12 months, 12 months of country, so these county coaches, they want to be around their counties. They don't get the experience of going to be, well, they don't get the opportunity. Peter Moores has done the Big Bash, but not many of them get the chance to go and be a coach in Dubai, a lead coach or Australia. They can't obviously do the IPL or Pakistan because that's the start of our summer.

23:12Sir Alastair Cook: A lot of the English coaches didn't make a name for themselves in Test Match Cricket, did they? A lot of the Australian coaches, a lot of IPL coaches, all had stellar careers playing-wise, didn't they? Apart from Trevor Bailey, I suppose. Yes, OK, yeah.

23:29Phil Tufnell: Well, yeah, that does... Mike Donald played international cricket, but you wouldn't say he was a superstar.

23:35Michael Vaughan: He did a lot of Leicester, didn't he? He was a coach, obviously, in Melbourne and then did the Big Bash. Do you need to have played and had a magnificent international career

23:48Sir Alastair Cook: to be an international coach?

23:49Michael Vaughan: No. I mean, Andrew McDonald didn't have an incredible... Trevor Paylist, didn't he? I actually think some of the best coaches... Jose Mourinho. Mickey Arsley?

24:01Phil Tufnell: Which county did he pay for?

24:03Michael Vaughan: I think he's going to be Real Madrid's next county again. And I actually think great players necessarily don't make great coaches. No, because you don't have empathy. Yeah, and I think a lot of great players, obviously they work hard, but a lot of it comes quite naturally.

24:20Phil Tufnell: It'd be interesting to talk to one of our guests, Brian Lara, who's one of the very, very best. How would he fit into coaching the West Indies? Because it seems to me that the West Indies in the doldrums yet again, particularly with Test Match cricket and if you look at their board involvement they have no cricket. They're very, very thin on cricket experience. That's why they aren't.

24:46Sir Alastair Cook: Yeah, you're right. Why is there no English coach in the IPL and everything like that?

24:50Michael Vaughan: Well, because the English summer starts. So they're here with their counties. Oh, right, so that goes again.

24:54Sir Alastair Cook: There's a few, isn't there? Is Belly's with...

24:56Michael Vaughan: Ian Bell's with Dele. I think Carl Hopkinson, the fielding coach, I've seen him around the trap. Maybe it's with RCP or someone else. They're not the top job. They're assistant coaches, so they're not even looking at being the top. No, it's a belly just shooting. By the way, that's probably the best way to go about your business as a coach these days, just being assistant for a few franchises. Keep your head down. Yeah, there's nipping it out. Consult. Consult.

25:22Phil Tufnell: Do you remember when we picked our England team on our last podcast? After this round of matches, are there any changes? There's a concussion, isn't there? Gus Atkinson's concussed and so he'll be alright in a couple of weeks won't he?

25:36Michael Vaughan: Stick to Cricket is brought to you by Betfair James Rube he opened the bat because I think England clearly do you reckon they asked? they definitely asked well there must have been a conversation so he thought I'll have a go at the top I'd love him to say to Jack he's been incredible at number four he's a brilliant number four for Somerset and I would personally if I was in charge of England go James just wait your turn. Keep getting loads of runs at number four. Might be an injury. And you know what, if there's an injury or a loss of form from four to six in the England team, then you'll nip in.

26:10Michael Vaughan: We're not going to put a square peg in a round hole at the top. So for me, no, it doesn't work. And I just think it's wrong to ask him to. Just stay at number four, get loads of... And if it is by the age of 23, 24, he gets his chance with England and he's got 30 first-class hundreds or something like that by then, you're almost starting to look like, you know, maybe that'll be a Michael Hussey. Michael Hussie didn't make his Aussie day until 29. So I think he should just stay in the middle and his chance will come in time. At the top of the order... Tribe. Did you say Tribe? I saw a bit of Tribe this week.

26:40Michael Vaughan: Very good young player, but I don't think he's quite at that level yet. Well, Emilio Gay is in the box seat. So you've got, for me, it's either Emilio Gay or McKinney. Yeah. It's one of those two that will play in that first. Would you say McKinney's got a higher ceiling? Correct. I think he has, yeah. I look at Emilio Gay and I think he's earned the right he's done everything that has been asked the last few years he's got the hundreds he's started brilliantly he's been with the Lions he's in the system so they're not bringing someone from outside of the system they've identified

27:15Phil Tufnell: McKinney's definitely in the system

27:16Michael Vaughan: absolutely both of those two are in the system but I just think Emilio Gay he's knocked down the door with hundreds

27:22Phil Tufnell: so Ben Stokes he opened the bowling and he's the same county. I almost pissed myself.

27:29Michael Vaughan: It's the same county. Trying to get you to open the ball in all. That's his series.

27:32Phil Tufnell: Yeah, I remember. That's it for Darrell. Yeah. I watched the Lancashire-Middlesakes game. I'd be so excited about this Stanley, Mitch Stanley. Yeah? Crikey. I mean, the build on him. 25-year-old. Yeah. Big, athletic, quick. Oh, he's, you know, batters. Did he take wickets? He didn't. He didn't. He took a couple of early doors, knocked a couple out early on. You're going to have to take it all the time. You know what? Look at that hair of your face. Jesus Christ, yes, my hair. If you're watching county cricket and there's some worthy bowlers in that medium-fast category, and then you see Mick Stanley against good batters, good players, and suddenly, bang, he's hitting them.

28:21Phil Tufnell: Heavy. Does he move the ball? I'm not bothered whether he moves it. I am. You've got to a test level.

28:27Michael Vaughan: Against real quality batters. Well, it swung. In this particular game,

28:32Phil Tufnell: in this particular game, I've told about there was movement off the pitch and there was movement. Oh, Jesus Christ. Excuse me. Evacuate the building. Evacuate the building. What?

28:47Sir Alastair Cook: Why do you have to stand up for that? I don't know. Blew myself off my feet there. Sorry. Sorry, Bumble. Carry on. Is that like a Mitch Stanley delivery? Is that what happens when they face him? What are his stats, though? What is he, like... I don't know. Honestly, he just gets right into the face when he...

29:07Phil Tufnell: Which England cricketer of yesteryear sneezed and declared himself all fit for the game? Got him a bag? Chris Ireland? No, no.

29:16Sir Alastair Cook: The guy from Kent. Chris Cowdery? No. Gladly Singles did. McCaig. McCaig. McCaig, wasn't it? Martin McKay was wasn't it? I think you're right. I apologize. You must love that going around

29:29Michael Vaughan: So he's got 22 wickets at 28 apiece.

29:32Sir Alastair Cook: All right. Yeah It must be it must be a great gig that going around just looking at it Do they pop off the pitch at you?

29:41Michael Vaughan: Yeah, I mean you've got a keen eye Sorry 22 wickets did I say 28 22 wickets at 28? That's that's they just sort of pop out at you when you're watching

29:49Sir Alastair Cook: How does that sort of happen or do you just sort of like you know what I mean? You just said that, but, oh, quirky, you know what I mean? Oh, I like him, you like him.

29:55Phil Tufnell: But they make you sit up a bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've never seen... I go to a Middlesex game. Yeah. And, you know, conditions are favourable for bowling. Yeah. And the two Middlesex bowlers who I'd never seen before. Yeah. I thought they were all right. Did it? Yeah. Yeah, Shama and Morgan. Yeah.

30:09Michael Vaughan: When you go to Old Trafford, Dave, where do you sit? Do they put you in a certain stand on your own? In a cage. Do they put you in a cage? He's got...

30:17Sir Alastair Cook: You must have your own box. He is.

30:18Phil Tufnell: He is. You've got your own box. I've just missed Chief. I'm the Vice President, so I'm going to the 1864 suite. Do you have your own parking spot? No.

30:32Sir Alastair Cook: 1864? Yeah. It's a shame it's not 1664. That would be a lovely suite. Is it Cronenberg? I mean, if Stanley can't learn to move the ball with Jimmy at the other end or around, then...

30:46Phil Tufnell: Well, he's sucking it up. Sitting in the dressing room.

30:49Sir Alastair Cook: That's it, Lannick. learn from experience.

30:52Michael Vaughan: Could you tell me how... Come on, let's see you being mischievous again. Right, so we've gone through Lanks. Lanks got hammered. Stokes, he came back, opened the ball and got 14 with the bat. Good win for them. Good win. That was a very good win. And I'll tell you what we have to say. Murray, yeah. Do you remember Monty Panesar? Yeah. Oh, yes. This show's not come out yet, right? Monty Panesar, when he was sat there. Which spinner would you pick for England? I thought that. I saw him bowl. Callum Parkinson. And all four of us went... And he only taken one wicket at this stage. He got five for nine.

31:24Sir Alastair Cook: Go on, Monty. Oh, Calum's leg. There he was. I'll tell you what that Parkinson does, Bob.

31:29Phil Tufnell: Do you think Luton will win the Premier League?

31:31Sir Alastair Cook: But listen, I've seen that Calum Parkinson, Bob. What he does do, I don't know whether it's a huge spin of the ball, but he gets it down at a good lick. He's got a little bit of that on him as well. He fires, you know what I mean? But he gets that up and down as well, not just that flat hit the pad. Yeah, he does get a little good count that I for the minute. Yeah, I Surum, yeah, yeah, but it is it is a time they signed him from Leicester Yeah, he's a decent bowler and if there's just that little bit in the wicket he can get you can get you an outside edge as good as Sistan he's consistent are you putting him in there?

32:07Sir Alastair Cook: You know Monty should have been champion Yeah, what was it? What was it? Well, that's my Munich Oliver Twizel. We shouldn't laugh. No, but listen, he struck me as being all right.

32:24Michael Vaughan: That's a bit, yeah. He's a competitor. Yeah, he's a competitor. That's what I reckon. As a thing, you've got to be a bit... You should get your chin down. You've got to get at them. Ollie Robinson, another impressive week for Sussex. What did he do? Ollie bowled nicely. He got rid of Jake Wetherold, the Aussie opener. Right, yeah. Schnickle chums. Yeah, he's been talked a little bit louder than a few weeks ago. He got a text, didn't he? I saw that he got a text from Baz.

32:46Sir Alastair Cook: There's going to have to be a bit of something there.

32:48Michael Vaughan: Who did? Olly Robertson? Yeah, at the start of the season, he got a text.

32:51Sir Alastair Cook: Text? Why wouldn't you give him a call? How do you know that? He said it, didn't he? Olly Robertson said it. I was going to say, that's going to have to be a bit of... You're in the phrase? ..kiss and make-up, I reckon. I mean, no-one knows what's happened, but... I'm having him all day long. What, not in the side?

33:07Michael Vaughan: He's in my squad.

33:09Sir Alastair Cook: Yeah, yeah.

33:09Michael Vaughan: You know, it's interesting that Ben Stokes took the new ball. Is that a little bit of an indication that Ben might take the new ball for England?

33:16Sir Alastair Cook: Who was in Darren's bowling attack on that thing? Mintor.

33:20Michael Vaughan: Potts. Potts. Potts. He wasn't playing. Potts. Mintor. No, I don't think Potts. You said he was good. Mintor. Mintor. Bates. Left armour. Good cricketer. Do with a lefty. We could do with a lefty. Here you go. So Joffrey Archie's been playing T20 cricket in the IPL for weeks and weeks. Does he come and Rajestan will make the eliminations? I'm pretty sure about that. They're doing OK. He's got 15 wickets, Joffrey, in the IPL. Does he come straight back to England and go straight into a test match on June 4th? When will he be back? Well, let's have a look at the eliminations.

33:54Phil Tufnell: In past experience, yes, he does. He's your gun bowler, isn't he? Rest.

34:00Sir Alastair Cook: They'd rest. There's more miles in your legs, isn't it? Oh, you've got miles in your legs now. Jimmy's played all five matches. There you go. Sunday the 24th.

34:11Michael Vaughan: I mean, he's... Rajasthan playing my boys, Mumbai, who are eliminated already. So you're out of... You're out of the who can pick. Look now. Are we on the IPL now? Well, we're just moving from... We're towing and throwing it.

34:24Sir Alastair Cook: You keep throwing ideas out there.

34:25Michael Vaughan: Yeah, my boys, who I said would win it... Are out. They're out.

34:30Phil Tufnell: What about a lot?

34:31Michael Vaughan: Your elephants. Your elephants have gone. You two are out. Super giants.

34:35Phil Tufnell: Look now.

34:36Michael Vaughan: Yeah, they're gone. They're out with Mumbai. so it's you to look now own Manchester yeah Langer's gonna be under pressure oh well he's gonna be ready Tom Moody finish bottom of the Mumbai Indians who's the the Mbani family who run the Oval team that's Kieran Pollard I think is the the coach at the Oval so Red Star's last group game is Sunday the 24th the The elimination start on the 26th. So he could be back on. So the final, if Radjustar make the final, there's no way in a million years that he can play in a chess match. It's Sunday the 31st. So that means he flies back on the... Yeah, but you're not flying in on the first, getting in late.

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37:46RCB, Cook's team.

37:48Michael Vaughan: Yes. Andy Flowers Army, 14 points. It does change, though. The leads headingly to Sunrisers. Top. I told you, you're in. You're in, you're in. Thank you.

38:00Sir Alastair Cook: It's us versus you. Thank you. Orange Army, I said it last podcast. Has RCB bought 100 team? Just saw them coming together. So the 100 owners are... ..last second, last third, last.

38:14Michael Vaughan: Look now, Mumbai. Concentrate something else. Sunrisers. Who else owns the 100 teams? Come on, Cookie, you're over this. Yeah, that's the Ambani family, that's Mumbai. look now Manchester which is the America rises which is the Chelsea which is Washington freedom is down in Cardiff Southampton Delhi Delhi Delhi are less struggling as well it's all in the person

38:47yeah Punjab they don't have a they've got off the ball the top lads they lost 4-4

38:52Michael Vaughan: Yeah, Ricky Ponton's I know but they've just as you said they haven't got his super stuff. What about this then? What do you make of this? Hardik Pandya Mumbai Indian captain. Yeah You know, you go Mumbai captain Hardik Pandya Mr Going through engine and caused a headline or two by supposedly unfollowing the team on Instagram Before later following them again. So he deleted their their Insta account

39:18Sir Alastair Cook: Right.

39:19Michael Vaughan: And it created...

39:20Sir Alastair Cook: That's a big diss in the modern world, isn't it? That's a low blow.

39:25Michael Vaughan: Straight after the game, deleted. So was he not injured then? And he wanted to play? He was injured. He was injured. But after the game, I think it was when they lost to RCB.

39:37Sir Alastair Cook: They lost to the last ball, wasn't it? See, in the old days, so is that the equivalent of a bollocking? In the old days, you'd come in, your team's not performing, you're the captain. Right, lads, what the f*** are you doing? come on, there's your bollocking, go and have a think about it. Is it now unfollowing you on Instagram? So the rest of the teammates go, he's unfollowed us, we've got to get better. Is he giving me a bollocking? It's the ultimate disrespect, isn't it? It's the ultimate. That's trying to push a transfer through in football, isn't it? Isn't it? You know when people want to move football clubs, they stop training, don't they?

40:12Sir Alastair Cook: They don't turn up for training. They get fined their two weeks wages, but they're moved. Is that what he's trying to do there? Because he ain't going to kick out the Ambani family, is he? No. So they're there to stay.

40:22Michael Vaughan: Well, he went to Goodrat when Goodrat was obviously a new team. He won it in Ahmedabad for Goodrat. And then they got him back to Mumbai. But Mumbai have had an absolute stinker. I reckon with that team and that group of players, I think it's the worst performance by any team in any tournament. What's the... Name me a worst performance by a group that talented... But they've got a lot of... They've got a lot of Indian players.

40:52Sir Alastair Cook: Ashes away. Ashes away. Well, let's rank that. Where does this Mumbai performance with that group of players? Is that a case of flight? How many Indian players were in that team? Who played in the T20 World Cup? You've got Rohit Sharma. You've got Suri Kumar Yadav. They all played? Yeah. Do you know what I mean? I'm like, is that a case of... Gaspit Bumrah. After like Yeah a bit of a hang on Is it Yeah They've had the moment They've won the World Cup And then trying to back it up again In a hard tournament Is that a case

41:19Michael Vaughan: Where are we on the IPL

41:20Sir Alastair Cook: Quite this year

41:21Michael Vaughan: I'm going to say What's the feeling Let's not have the numbers No

41:23Phil Tufnell: What's the feeling in India Right now about the IPL I'm going Saturday I'll tell you Oh are you What the supporters Think about the teams Because they'll be Quite vitriolic About teams that are Down at the bottom Who should have performed So they get Supporter pressure Don't they the players and they'll get they'll get all the pressure they'll get all the

41:43Michael Vaughan: pressure I read the other day either TV or digital is down 26 % easy why is that

41:51Sir Alastair Cook: what lack of tight games or no all the games go to the ones I mean is it is it

41:58Michael Vaughan: is it overkill I don't know it's every night for the well when did it start March 30th and when did the T20 World Cup what is 26 % there you go

42:08Sir Alastair Cook: Viewing figures too quick viewing fingers.

42:10Phil Tufnell: Oh, no way. Start did you see a lot tally?

42:12Sir Alastair Cook: It seems like it they've had t20 well again on like no expert It seems like they've had t20 cricket India for Had the World Cup and then that yeah, maybe it's just a case of people are bored with it too close I've just watched the World Cup court. Well, I don't know the border the IPL are they? They're just bored of just t20 for a little bit and then you're like right and they wanted to win the World Cup so badly that yeah And that is a big thing there are all exhausted it's that what you're talking We need a bit of test cricket. Why can't we have test cricket in England? The fans are exhausted.

42:38Sir Alastair Cook: It's tired.

42:38Michael Vaughan: You can't keep waving a four and a six about. They've had a shocker, though. Mumbai have had a shocker this year. Jacob Bevel got 27. Oh, lovely knock. Yeah. A good 20.

42:51Phil Tufnell: So, the mischief of this, I mentioned that word again, is that, you know, you can learn so much from batting with Virat Kohli. You're out first ball.

43:06Sir Alastair Cook: Oh, I'm looking forward to this.

43:07Michael Vaughan: Oh, he's gone. Shubman Gill and Sy Savasin, they're on fire. They're stroking it nicely for Gujarat.

43:17Phil Tufnell: So you're talking... Gujarat are coming up the rails. You're talking... He can't. He won't play that first test. What about Jacob Bethel? Would he play that first test?

43:26Sir Alastair Cook: Yeah, 100%.

43:27Phil Tufnell: So he's not in the finals or anything like that? Yeah, he'll be in the finals. Different, aren't he? Yeah, that's a good point, actually, yeah.

43:33Sir Alastair Cook: But as a batter? Different. Is it different? It's definitely different. I mean, as I said, we'd like him to come back and at least experience a Red Bull game. Well, he might just have one Red Bull throwdown. Exactly. I mean, ideally, if you're preparing for a test match, which the side desperately need to get off to a winning start, if you're purely looking at it from an English point of view, you'd like to drag him back for at least one knock, wouldn't you?

43:57Phil Tufnell: But I don't think he's allowed to come back, is he? No, he's contrapped. But also... I would say,

44:01Sir Alastair Cook: I bet Andy Flowers had him in the net, and a few red balls. You'd have thought that bit of planning. The only other thing, someone else mentioned this to me about, you know, Bethel, him learning from Coley, how to bat, all that kind of stuff. What about our youngsters in England learning of Bethel when he comes back and plays at Warwickshire? Why is that suddenly overlooked? Do you know what I mean? So, like, with Bethel's argument, and a lot of other people saying, well, he's learning so much from these great Indian players. What about Jacob Bethel coming back and giving a bit back for Warwickshire for four weeks.

44:35Sir Alastair Cook: And, like, young 20-year-old learning of Jacob Ethel, who's then experienced, like... I hadn't thought about it, and someone else pointed it out to me. I thought, actually, it's quite...

44:43Michael Vaughan: Well, you've got the likes of Dam, Dam... You were Alice. At Warwickshire.

44:45Sir Alastair Cook: Yeah, it was, actually. He was. He was. I couldn't admit it, but he was.

44:49Michael Vaughan: Alice thought about it. I was like... Does she want to come on the show? Yeah, get some of it. It would have more sense than all of us.

44:54Sir Alastair Cook: And bring a sheep. Stoking a sheep with... God.

44:56Michael Vaughan: Can you bring us a sheep one day?

44:58Sir Alastair Cook: Yeah. Are you allowed? Oh, come on. I just let it walk around. Do you want a lamb? We could bring a little pet lamb. Oh, that mint sauce, mint sauce. No, you can't do that.

45:06Phil Tufnell: You can't say mint sauce, you get nervous. Mint sauce, mint sauce. You can bring, could you bring one up?

45:13Michael Vaughan: What, just bring one in your car?

45:16Sir Alastair Cook: It's been in my car before. Oh, I'd love that. Is that cool? Why is it?

45:23Michael Vaughan: What does he eat?

45:24Sir Alastair Cook: I could never have a rack of lamb again. No, you can't. You can't. OK. Yeah, yeah.

45:29Phil Tufnell: I was in a bar in Southern Ireland. I was in a bar in Southern Ireland at midnight with a live band on and a fellow come in with a sheep on a lead and asked if anybody wanted to buy it. A bloke dancing on the floor said, I'll have it. He got the lead, put it in his car, wound the window down and it, bah, bah. As we were all sat there, I thought, this is fantastic. When's our next show? June 15th. Second of June. Could you bring...

45:57Michael Vaughan: Could you put it in? I might be on holiday. Bring it in, can you bring a couple? I don't want it on its own. I'm on holiday, I think.

46:04Sir Alastair Cook: You're on holiday? I'm going on my grand tour.

46:07Michael Vaughan: You're not missing my grand tour. How many tours are you on?

46:09Sir Alastair Cook: I'm on a lot of tours this year. What do you mean, so you're not doing the first test? I'm not doing the first test. Well, that's the 4th of June. Oh, that's all right. I might be back then. You're missing the second? Are you missing this for your... No, no, no, I'm going on holiday. No, you're not going on holiday. We could go on holiday. You're always going on holiday. Who would we replace toughers with if toughers wasn't there for one show who do we like who which character We'd have to have a lamb A lamb there What do you reckon? What a faggot

46:41Sir Alastair Cook: It's like those chimps in the 70s and they're chain smoking Stick to cricket is brought to you by Betfair

46:51Michael Vaughan: The first international game started on Sunday New Zealand women against England it was a classic wasn't it tight

46:57Phil Tufnell: nine down one wicket yeah England had some players missing didn't they some gun players Danny Wyatt Danny Wyatt playing Nat Skiver Eccleston are they going to be fit Izzy Wong yeah so are they

47:13Sir Alastair Cook: injured or good to see them though still get over the line without that experience there the new kid the new spinner Coleman yes Teddy Coleman got a couple nice to see 18 years of age. Another left armour. Yeah, lovely. Oh, that breeding left armour. Just falls over a little bit. Left arm spin, easy. Eh? Everyone does it. Is it easy?

47:33Phil Tufnell: No, if you get it wrong, it gets in your brain, right? You lose it. Yeah. Just falls over a little bit.

47:38Michael Vaughan: Just gets a little bit. Can England play two left arm? Izzy Wong's a doubt for the World Cup T20. I heard Alex Hartley write, and I agree with her. She said the other day... I'm achieved. ..that you wouldn't know, unless you were like us in cricket, or a cricketing family, you would not know that the T20 World Cup was taking place in this country. No, you're right. Have you seen anything, anywhere, any advertisement?

48:02Sir Alastair Cook: A little bit on the TV.

48:03Michael Vaughan: Have you, what, on the radio? A little bit on the TV. I have seen nothing.

48:07Sir Alastair Cook: No. Nothing. Good announcement of the squad as well. That was a good announcement of the squad. That went under the radar. It's all right. And they got all those famous people to announce that. Oh, yes, Luke Littler. Luke Littler was doing it. Lando Norris did one, didn't he? I thought that was quite a good idea. But again, he kind of just got brushed under the carpet. Yeah, that's quite smart. Well, last time we won it here, didn't we? When does it start?

48:26Michael Vaughan: They've never not won in the UK. Yeah. I think that's all women's sport, football, rugby and cricket. They've always won the home. When does it start? In a couple of weeks. So I should know that. Well, yeah, that should be sort of... When does it start? It started June, it starts. Again, name the venues.

48:44Sir Alastair Cook: Old Trafford. One.

48:45Michael Vaughan: Leicester.

48:47Sir Alastair Cook: Chelmsford.

48:49Michael Vaughan: Well, this is the point. Where is it? Where is it? I agree with you. There's a World Cup. It's a whole World Cup. We are. That's what we're doing. We are pushing. Come on, the ladies. Come on. Well, I've seen a lot about the India versus England at Lord's test match. I think that's record ticket sales for that one-on test match. When's that going? After the World Cup. June, July. But that would be an amazing event. But this World Cup... I think I'm completely under the radar.

49:14Sir Alastair Cook: I think they're under the pump a little bit. I think they're going to feel the pressure. I mean, Charlotte Edwards, good in charge. But as you say, I think it's it's gonna be needed. Well, Alex said that she thinks they've underperformed They need a

49:28Phil Tufnell: Alex when she was asked do you think they win in and she said no didn't she?

49:32Sir Alastair Cook: They've got they've got chance on the board.

49:34Phil Tufnell: Oh, so well, they've got all my bounties for a start. Yeah, the Aussies Indians India

49:40Michael Vaughan: South Africa, New Zealand, New Zealand, Weston is that's why it's nice to get across the line here Good Alex is gonna come back on me. She threw out that World Cup to tell us all about it. Right, should we finish with a few community questions? Yeah, go on. Right, I've got a good one here. This is a good one. I'll start at number two. This is from... Ron in Kent. This is from Mo. Kevin in South Africa. Who else is from? This is from... Jacob from... Jacob from... Bangalore. Bangalore. Yeah, this is from... Jacob in... Bangalore. Bangalore. Does Alistair Cook think he could beat Luke Littler in a half marathon if they both had to stop every mile to check out 501 from Mr Littler in Warrington.

50:29Michael Vaughan: Is that a challenge? Well, I think a half marathon, what's that, 13 miles? Yeah. So I've got to do... I think that's a long way. It's a long way. So you've got to run a mile and then check out 501. I'm guessing Luke will do his 501 in what? 12.

50:45Sir Alastair Cook: 15 darts. 15, yeah.

50:46Michael Vaughan: So how long does that take? Min and a half. A minute and a half, right?

50:50Sir Alastair Cook: What would you do yours?

50:50Michael Vaughan: So that's times 13. Right? On average. We'll work this out. We'll work this out.

50:55Sir Alastair Cook: I mean, I did, I reckon.

50:57Michael Vaughan: I reckon it's a minute for Luke to check out. Yeah. Right, so let's give him 13 minutes. Outdoors, though. Hang on, he's running as well. He's outdoors, isn't it? He's got to do 13.501s. I think it'll take Luke 13 minutes to do his darts. How long will it take him to run 13 miles? Realistically. Quite a while. Would it be eight-minute miles, nine-minute miles? You'd say so, wouldn't you? Does he run?

51:23Phil Tufnell: Could he run 13 miles?

51:24Michael Vaughan: Well, look, yes, he can. Yes, he can. Do you think he can do it in eight or nine minutes? Can we work out the same? Nine, let's go nine. Right, so 13 times nine. Nine, 13, 19, 19, 19, 20, 27. 117, Mike. 117? Yeah. 117. That's nearly two hours. Put 13 on. He's two hours, 10 minutes. Yeah. So he'll do his 13 miles, 13.501s in two hours, ten minutes. How fast are you? Well, we know how fast you are. Well, I... So you're... We'll go off your recent time. Three hours, five minutes. One hour, 32.5 as you're running. Is this happy?

51:59Sir Alastair Cook: My fastest half marathon, though, training is one...

52:03Michael Vaughan: Look, you've got to go on present form. 127.

52:05Sir Alastair Cook: 127.

52:06Michael Vaughan: That's not present form.

52:07Sir Alastair Cook: I could run on one... Well, how many? Two minutes.

52:10Michael Vaughan: 3-0 present form. OK, let's call it 1.30. 1.30. So how fast do you reckon you can do your aras? I'll say 30 darts on average.

52:17Sir Alastair Cook: Which is a poor leg.

52:18Michael Vaughan: Two minutes? Yeah, two minutes, 30. Two and a half.

52:21Sir Alastair Cook: Under pressure. 26. You're losing. I'm all right, though. You're losing me. No, it's two hours. I'm going to beat him.

52:28Phil Tufnell: I'll beat him. Two hours.

52:30Michael Vaughan: Do you? So you've got to do your aras.

52:31Phil Tufnell: He's got 10 minutes on him on your figures.

52:34Michael Vaughan: You've got to do your aras in under 37 minutes and you're beating him. Yeah, for 30 legs. And do you have to carry the dogs?

52:41Phil Tufnell: 100%. 100%. That is a challenge. You've got to carry your dogs, something to carry them. Yeah, you just put it in your top pocket. Is it outdoors as well, though, with the wind? It could be tricky.

52:51Michael Vaughan: Yeah, top pocket, isn't it? Oh, they're running in a jacket. That's what they do, don't you? You have a top pocket in you.

52:56Sir Alastair Cook: Yeah, I lost mine when I played it. I tripped up the stairs and they went all in the crowd. I think he'd probably rather take on Mo Far, wouldn't he? A bit bigger name, Mo Far.

53:06Michael Vaughan: All right, what about this one? We'll move on. So you're beating Luke. That's good. What do you make of the news that England are debating their maiden tour of Nepal in 2027? I'd gone that trip.

53:17Sir Alastair Cook: Yeah, I don't know.

53:18Michael Vaughan: What a trip that is.

53:19Sir Alastair Cook: Why? Oh, lovely. What do you mean? What's the mountain? Temple.

53:24Phil Tufnell: Nepal are a good team. Me and Agnew... What did you think?

53:28Michael Vaughan: They were just going along there?

53:29Phil Tufnell: Well, yeah, it's a lovely place, isn't it? I don't know. That's what tour it was, wasn't it? Going along there. Me and Agnew did the associate members, T20 or 50 or whatever in Dubai, of whoever, whichever TV company, me and Agnew. They sent me to interview the captain of Nepal. And the interview went like this. I asked him a question, to which he went, I thought, I'd better bow back here. so before I asked him a question I had to bow and then before he answered he would bow so we were just both bowing at each other throughout this interview when nothing came out let's go to Nepal when can we go 27

54:22Michael Vaughan: Chile do stick to cricket on so we'll get a Nepal first trip we should do a

54:30Sir Alastair Cook: talk absolutely yeah I agree well we were the robber why can we get community questions where would apparently Spain have got a very very good side of Gibraltar have got a cricket they have a guy stopped me at the airport they have

54:48Michael Vaughan: a day have a team yeah that some guy was telling me about monkeys yeah yeah why

54:52Sir Alastair Cook: I want to get them to suggest ideas well we could go yeah all right here you go

54:56Michael Vaughan: I bet this should be good. A question was raised on last week's Stick to Football. All right. And Corridor Cam, which raised much debate. So what do we all think? What is the best bag of crisps and why? Chicken. Chicken? Roast chicken? What kind? Walker's roast crisps. Is that what you... Oh, they're boring. I like hula hoops. I like a beef. Stick them on your finger. I like hula hoops and I like salt and vinegar squares. Yeah. A bit crunchy.

55:24Sir Alastair Cook: McCoy's. McCoy's. I like the Ridgeline. Quavers. McCoy's nice. I'm a bit of a mini cheddar fan as well. Do you like the Seabrooks? Glass of red with a mini cheddar. Glass of red with a mini cheddar. They're not crisps. What are they? What mini cheddar? They're a bake. They're not crisp. Yeah, they're a bake. They're in the crisp section. Oh, I've got one. They're in the crisp. French fries.

55:45Phil Tufnell: Fiddlers. Oh, I don't like them. Fiddlers? Fiddlers Lancashire sauce crisps. Fiddlers? Fiddlers Lancashire sauce. I'm starting to worry about you. Fiddlers. I've never had a fiddler

55:57Michael Vaughan: Monster munch Pickled onion monster They're a bit sour Let's name our top three

56:06Sir Alastair Cook: McCoy's Ridge Salmonee got have to be out there Yeah, not bad. I'm going for a beef hula hoop Beef? I like salt and vinegar ones

56:17Michael Vaughan: Quavers Do you like quavers?

56:20Phil Tufnell: I like hula hoops

56:20Michael Vaughan: I like Hoola Hoops. Well, Hoola Hoops have been mentioned.

56:23Phil Tufnell: Hoola Hoops, Wavers, Fiddlers, Lancashire Sauce. We can't have a fiddler.

56:31Michael Vaughan: Why are you? Lancashire Sauce, Lancashire... Oh, a kettle. Yeah, the kettles are good. They're posh, aren't they? The controversial. Good for a dip. You are posh. Everyone winds me up about you. Everyone thinks it's his Cockney White Bowl. Kettles. I've got posse skull in the country. It's a proper raw.

56:53Phil Tufnell: Very serious about crisps. And to all crisp manufacturers, the bags are big, there's not enough crisps in them. Get some more crisps in them. Skips.

57:06Sir Alastair Cook: Skips, prawn cocktail. You're right.

57:08Phil Tufnell: They just dissolve in your tongue, don't they? What are they? In the public, you've got big bags and not many crisps in them.

57:14Michael Vaughan: Fill the bag. Yeah, and is it that they... Very good point. I want to debate this. Do they weigh the crisps as they go into every bag? Well... Because we're getting ripped off. You might get more than me. That's it. It's the same in the Haribo, you know, the bag of sweets. Haribo? Is it Haribo? Oh, no, what is it? Is it Haribo? Haribo, Haribo. Haribo. It's the same, isn't it? That's the biggest rip-off. Bollard. The biggest rip-off by Country Mile. And you'll have had it with your kids. Miles, Bollars. No, it's when you go to that pick and mix and the kids put all the sweets in the bag and then you go and weigh it.

57:51Michael Vaughan: £15. £15. You're looking, there's three cola bottles. Yeah, and a shrimp. I mean, what a rip-off. You won't know that, will you?

58:00Phil Tufnell: No.

58:00Michael Vaughan: It's like the frozen yoghurt's the craze now. Those frozen yoghurt places where you go and get a tub, load of frozen yoghurt or ice cream, you put all these things on strawberries and you go and weigh it at the end. It's£45.22. Is it? I mean, what a joke. Here's one from Mr. A. Hollyoak in Kent. Oh, yes. Which current cricketer would make the best son-in-law? Chris Wokes. Yeah.

58:24Phil Tufnell: Yeah, he's a current cricketer.

58:26Michael Vaughan: Yeah, current. Joe Root. Rooty. The reason why Mr. Hollyoak's asking this, I think he spoke about Zach Crawley. Zach Crawley being, you know, a very good son-in-law. Keeps nicking off outside of staff. Yeah. He said, Mr. Holly said he'd congratulate his daughter if he brought back. Well, he was a lovely lad. Zach's a great guy. He's a lovely lad. I'll tell you what I think about Zach Crawley. So he's opened the batting in red ball cricket now for a period. So he's obviously open for England. He's had a little bit of success. He's had a lot of failures as well. He's not had a great start to the summer for Kent, but he continues to open.

59:03Michael Vaughan: At his stage of his career, is it worth him going, why don't you just bat five for Kent? Absolutely. He's going to be a very good white ball opener. he's done well in the leagues and he strikes the ball but why not bat at five for Kevin he'd get heaps wouldn't he he'd bat at five he plays spin well

59:20Phil Tufnell: he can then hit

59:21Michael Vaughan: through the line

59:22Phil Tufnell: no he'd get heaps from the opposition oh heaps heaps of rants slippery slope isn't it

59:28Michael Vaughan: but I don't oh is it I just think oh is it is it the slippery slope why stay in the position at the minute it's not working yeah just move just move have a period

59:41Phil Tufnell: when others were England captain and he'd come back to Lanks and he'd be a bit goosed and we said well you were about five didn't I no he said this is great he said how easy is this

59:53Michael Vaughan: yeah have a little rest have a little rest I had this thing for Zach I think it'd just give him a

59:58Sir Alastair Cook: something different it's a bit like surely that's like saying I will feel you know the spinners haven't quite been working to fancy bone and blue seabirds

1:00:10Phil Tufnell: and you say well That's how I started off.

1:00:13Sir Alastair Cook: Is it a bit of a slippery slope? It is definitely a bit of a slippery slope. Is it a mitt? But I understand the ball doesn't move as much.

1:00:20Phil Tufnell: I mean, he's a lovely, lovely lad. Lovely lad. He's got to work on that technique one-to-one, in my opinion, with somebody who he trusts. I thought he must have been doing that. Well, I don't know. I don't know, but who trusts and private, unbelievably private. Wow.

1:00:39Michael Vaughan: I think his technique would be absolutely fine at five. I think you get away with kind of pushing at the ball. When you're opening the bat, it just does it a little bit quicker.

1:00:49Phil Tufnell: Did you ever think about going, I want to bat five? No, he didn't.

1:00:54Michael Vaughan: No, but he didn't have a run of form like... He's an opener. There is something about... Well, did you, Hubo? You opened the bat, didn't you? Yeah, I'm at five and all. Well, Zach's averaged 30 throughout his whole career, opening the bat in Red Bull cricket. Yeah, I reckon you could average over 40.

1:01:10Sir Alastair Cook: What's the worst going to happen? Correct.

1:01:12Michael Vaughan: Worth a try. I think it's worth a try, isn't it? And it's more a mental trigger of something different that you can look forward to, going out to face the music every... Yeah, yeah, have a rest. Do something different. Have a rest. Here's one from... There you go. If you were Jacob Bethel, would you rather win the IPL this year with the RCB or be the top scorer for England in the Test Series against New Zealand? That's from a Mr. K. Peterson in London.

1:01:40Sir Alastair Cook: I would say you'd rather establish yourself at number three and be the top scorer for England, wouldn't you? You'd like to think so, wouldn't you? If those two were offered on the table.

1:01:52Michael Vaughan: He'll say both, won't he? But he can only choose one. Yeah, I've got to go for England. He won the IPL last year, didn't he? Well, there you go. Yeah, so I'd hope that he's thinking about the England stuff. I'm sure he is. if he was top scorer

1:02:06Phil Tufnell: for England at a fair league which he would do that would stand him in good stead going forward to the IPL for next year anyway and he might play

1:02:14Michael Vaughan: a few more games what's the best thing you're watching on TV right now oh I'll tell you what I've watched I can't remember it Legends oh it's Coogan isn't it Stevie Coogan Netflix right we'll finish with this one what do you think of Kent's decision to turn off comments on their social media outlet well it's done them all right they've won two games I like that actually I do like it

1:02:37Sir Alastair Cook: Anyone else? I like the fact they've tried to get on the front foot with it So like again do something slightly different and go nothing wrong in my eyes

1:02:46Michael Vaughan: I'd go as far as saying why don't you just come off social media for a while Sometimes you need a bit of a break like Zach go down at five Do Kent get any value from being on social media all the time? Is there any kind of It must be something It's the Kent club Yeah yeah so it's the comment section

1:03:03Phil Tufnell: They put something out from the club and then they get comments on it. So they've cleared out the comments. But they can still put stuff on, can't they?

1:03:11Sir Alastair Cook: Yeah, yeah. So they turn the best of the Bofors, actually, aren't they? Oh, no. Well, now they've won a couple of games, they might want to turn it back on. Yeah, yeah. Let's have a look on the screen now, then.

1:03:25Michael Vaughan: Well, you think they should have just kept it on and just... Well...

1:03:30Sir Alastair Cook: ..talk about the welfare of the players. I bet it's not the players. I bet it's a bit more just everyone else, isn't it? I respect the decision, but, you know, people...

1:03:41Phil Tufnell: If you put something out there and you're the governing body, people will comment because they're interested. You would get... I understand you get a lot of negative stuff, but you've got to sift that out. Sift all the rubbish out.

1:03:57Michael Vaughan: Yeah, but if you're not playing so well... Well, it's worked, hasn't it?

1:04:01Phil Tufnell: They've got a couple of hours.

1:04:02Michael Vaughan: They've won two and two. They look like they've got a bit of confidence. He slightly...

1:04:05Phil Tufnell: I mean, if I put something out there, you get a comment. You're just a wanker. Well, thanks for that. Well, they like me. They would have liked me. What do you mean? I'm a wanker. They do, don't they? But somebody will come in who, you know...

1:04:19Sir Alastair Cook: Yeah.

1:04:20Phil Tufnell: Well, I think we'll finish on that. We're all wankers.

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