Jackson Warne: Memories of Dad, Cricket’s Greatest and Carrying a Legacy! | Stick to Cricket EP 62

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2:06Morning, morning, morning, morning. Oh, hello, what we got here? 100th test match at Lord's. I know where this is from. Where are they? Dave, did you comment out on this game? remember Lewis who was our H yeah yeah so Lewis is their granddad's part of the road he's got this hundredth test match at Lord's I would commentate

2:28Phil Tufnell: on that yes you'd have been this is a two-day one 2000 yeah everything they've got them yet many oh no second innings oh that's caddick caddick all the map oh yeah Corky one two three golf chops caddick five for 16 yeah Corky three for 13

2:50Who was spinning in the crowd I did a tremendous job No, come on three overs for ten did so was that that was the difference between the two sides Craig white seven

3:04Phil Tufnell: Corka yeah five seamers. Yeah Craig one 98 six Yeah, 96 ramps open the batting what ramps up and I've gone at three he was comment saying Dave coach Duncan Duncan Fletcher we do compensate now this is where NASA NASA broke his digit the edge baston went one nil dad I came back in and Stewie was a skipper what a

3:32Sir Alastair Cook: lovely little montage oh look you got the thing there what's that that's your little booklet Yes. I was just about to say that. 38 quid. 38 quid. Good luck. So£8 more than the 100 final. Yeah. About what a pint costs nowadays. What, in London? Where you live.

3:48Phil Tufnell: And it's flat. And warm. Correct. Correct. Disgraceful, isn't it, Dave? When are you going to sort that out? Eh? Who? You. I could be in charge of that. Government.

4:01Sir Alastair Cook: Yeah.

4:01Phil Tufnell: There you go. It's a camera responsibility. A what? Campaign for real ale, camera. They should be sorting that out. Who's campaigning for that? Camera. Right. It's an organisation, massive. We could have a meaningful discussion on top pubs in your region. So we all live in different areas. What's the best pub in your region? I like a local. I like them all. But you must have a local that you're going to. Yeah. You must live round. Yeah, there's a couple, yeah. Every time I ream on a Monday afternoon, where are you at pub? Early doors Monday afternoon you just think how drinking habits have changed dramatically So that when you used to have to shut at half 10 11 o 'clock We're always after the landlord can we have a lock-in chance we can stay now It's early doors in it our five to laugh seven.

4:51Phil Tufnell: That's it. I tell you what Saturday afternoons now. They have those bottom bottomless brunches yes, right you go into a Manchester Sheffield you go into these bars you pay I don't know 60 quid You go in at 2. You've got till 5 o 'clock, drink as much as you want. Three hours. What about food? I don't know. You might get a nibble. Yeah. But it's all about the juice. Surely you've got to put a pizza. A bit of Welsh rare bit. Well, there's a little bit of grub there. What have you got on your... Hey, Oop. Hey, Oop, Jack. Hey, good morning. How are you, mate? Good, how are you? Good, thank you. How are you?

5:27Good, mate. How are you? Good to see you too, Bumble. We're just talking pubs. Pub?

5:32Phil Tufnell: In London or in Australia? Well, we were talking, we're all living in different areas, so you must have like a local, a different pub. That's the pub that we're going. And it's the same in Australia, in Melbourne. You know, some cracking pub. Get down Fitzroy. Yeah. Your granddad took me down Fitzroy to the Standard. Yeah. You know the Standard down Fitzroy? I don't. Fitz... No. No kidding. No. Gertrude Street. I know Fitzroy and I know that area, but I don't think I've been to that. Workers' Club. Workers' Club on the corner. That's a good one. Labour in vain. Pool table. What about have you been down to Sorrento or Portsy?

6:07Phil Tufnell: No. I've done Sorrento. Yep. Lively. The pub down there. Hotel. I mean Fitzroy's bohemian. What's the one in Melbourne? Hotel Brighton? What's the one on the boat? They have music acts out at the back. Six and Al played there last year at the back. The Espy. The Espy. The Espy. The Espy. That's the place. What was the one on the boat?

6:30Sir Alastair Cook: What's the boat, the one we all went on the boat in Melbourne? That was good. Oh, yeah, on the what? Near the Key West Park, the opposite. It's the Yellow Belt. Spirit of Tasmania? No. It's like a moored-up bar. Oh, the Arbery Afloat? Yeah, yeah, yeah. On Southbank.

6:50Phil Tufnell: Yes, yes. That's posh, that. How are you in a posh area? You got no feet throwing up. You ended up with a parrot. I did have a parrot in there, didn't I? How did you get the parrot? That fella came and sat with the other parrots. Sort of came and landed on your shoulder. Yeah, he just put you up. That was all right, mate. Started talking to you. Yeah, Agus was the one here. The parrot was talking to Agus. What's the best city in Australia then? Come on. Oh, go on. Well, you're asking you're Melbournian and being from Melbourne, I have to say Melbourne. Me too. If I said anywhere else, I wouldn't actually probably be allowed back.

7:17Me too, me too. Melbourne. Melbourne. I'd probably say Melbourne. There's a bit of a rivalry. Second best. Second best.

7:23Phil Tufnell: You're up Sydney, aren't you? I probably used to have said, like, maybe Sydney, but I'm really leaning towards Gold Coast now. Like, I love Gold Coast. Have you been there before? Maroochidoy, New South. My daughter's in the Gold Coast now. Yeah, like in Broadbeach, that area. Like, it's really nice. Ooh, Tallulah.

7:38Sir Alastair Cook: Yeah, she's there. Is it... Queensland. Heads, we had a friend who lives... Tweedle Heads? Yeah, or Burley Heights. Oh, Burley Heads. Burley Heads. Yeah. Yes, we went to see them. All the surfers live there. Yeah. They've got a lot of restaurants in Queensland,

7:52Phil Tufnell: not there, not two heads. There's a really nice... Like, Aidan, not there. I went, there, Doss. There, Doss. Have you seen Hayden's? Yeah. He's grown his hair back. What do you mean? I think you might have had some product put in there. Yeah, I think he's had a few, but I actually had a very interesting thing. I did something I thought I'd never do. Guess where I popped in while I've been here the last month?

8:12Sir Alastair Cook: What? Into Advanced Hair Studio. Why not? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I went in there and I said, guys, I need some help. There you go. What are you going for? I said, can you grow it back? Yeah. Oh, so you're going to go for the pick and place? Yeah. No, not like no no not that one. I'm gonna try to get it all back not the stick on no no not the week Not the week. Well listen, I'm just gonna I'm gonna warn you about the way Jackie if you're gonna go for the wig I'll see student. I'm telling you now I was at the early stages when I had it done it There was a couple of things that I found tricky. I remember it was a Tuesday Thursday test The test match was starting loads on Thursday had it done on the Tuesday.

8:47So I go into this studio and on Wednesday it was boiling up. So I've got this new horse on my head that they stick on. So they send your samples away and it comes back the same colour but it's horse hair. And I had it put on on the Tuesday so they kind of cut around the air and they glue it on, right? Wednesday afternoon I have an afternoon in a pub in London. Didn't think anything of it. Went to bed, woke up, walked up from the flat to Lourdes and I'm walking across the pitch I've not really had just got in the shower not looked and just walked to the ground as I'm walking across the pitch Brodie's coming out.

9:24He's pissing himself laughing. Oh, what we did your barnet. I went what you made what we've done It's turned green The sun had affected it. Yeah, it was green. Yeah, yeah, and the other thing goes It's like a membrane that they stick on you on your head. Yeah, and when the Sun beats down Changes colour. The hair underneath grows a little bit under. Oh, you've never seen it. It just starts to move a bit. Gucci, the 90s. Gucci in the 90s, playing in Sri Lanka. First to ever have it, Gucci. Embers was in the team. And Gucci went out to bat helmet, batted for the session. I think England had lost.

10:01It was only a warm-up game, six or seven wickets, so not doing well. And Gucci's the skipper, he comes in the dressing room, and he's about to let rip at the batters. And he takes his helmet off, and he's about to let rip. Embers like, embers like, it's sort of, it's spiraling.

10:18Sir Alastair Cook: And just moved a bit. Came off in his head. You've got to be careful. Yeah, no, that's very good. I probably won't do that. Maybe you've traumatised me a little bit. I'm just going to try and grow back what I've got. It'll be funny because... You've had a little bit, don't you? I've had a little bit, don't you? Yeah, take bits out from the back and then replant them in the front. It's OK. If a few tiles come off your roof, you're going to have them replaced. You haven't done your full roof? I haven't done my full roof, I've just done a couple of little bits. Your hair looks good. Yeah, man, it's all right.

10:48Sir Alastair Cook: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you can take them from anywhere. Let it go, let it go.

10:53Phil Tufnell: Oh, we'd love to get you in this. I haven't got the right face. We'll go together, Bumble. No, I'm too old for that. I like it short. Yeah, yeah. Real short. No maintenance. Yeah, yeah, give us a walk. Before we get started, I'd like to thank our partners, Betfair. So just hit subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Enjoy the show.

11:19I didn't know Shane Warne, the cricketer. It's not like I regret it, but it's one of the things I'm quite sad I'll never really get to talk to him about. You've dealt with the tragedy incredibly. It is quite remarkable, the composure that you show. He bowled you out with an orange, didn't he? At the Dunham. I'm his last ever wicket. The showman. The theatre. The theatre. The entertainer. Shane Warne is the greatest cricketer. If I'm picking my team... I think he called me the worst captain ever. Dad called you that. And then called me the worst captain ever the next day.

11:52Sir Alastair Cook: It's not out. You don't see that happen often. He's made you fall over. Gets the lasagna. Puts it in the roll. Puts it in the roll. Squashes it, right. He's got the Shane Warne stand at the MCG, the Shane Warne stand at Junction Oval, the Shane Warne stand at Hampshire, the Shane Warne commentary box at Lord's, And then he's bowled that bloody ball, you know what I mean? Silence! The judge has come sort of like creeping up to me and said, Tuffers, what have you been doing for the last two years?

12:24It's one of these little things putting in front of us. We're about to play a game.

12:26Sir Alastair Cook: We are. Well, no, I think it's something to do with your dad. Didn't get many. And your dad getting us out. So on mine it reads, shame-worn test wicket number 486. November the 2002 I got 41 court McGrath bold shame one whereabouts was McGrath deep square leg your kid deep square like sweeping do you remember that that catch that when McGrath took down the balcony down the boundary Adelaide no yeah yeah I remember that I remember the innings where you refused to walk yeah I remember that you remember that but you don't remember that one was three years old when that happened in 2002 just in anger took the catch yeah no I'm not I think we spoke about it yeah oh he caught it yeah it was out yeah and you stood there well yes today well I play a driving it loops to cover point he dies for it goes straight into his bins and it was in the days where you just stood that you just wait for shortening yeah and then it correct went upstairs cameras as soon as it went upstairs i'm getting away with this i'm getting away with this and what

13:37Phil Tufnell: did the lads say what do they are our lads no the aussie lads oh no this was early in the piece as well day one at adelaide probably 45 minutes into the day did they get into you yeah did you give it back yeah yeah get stuck in yeah no who were the main one who's giving jl gave me plenty He wouldn't shake my hand. And he's a black belt. And to be fair... And he's a black belt. I wasn't going to mess with him, but I'd crack my shoulder. Yeah. In a bit of a mess. And I was in the dressing room and actually your dad was the one that came straight in after he shut my hand. He was always the first person.

14:12Like everybody said, he was like an ultimate competitor. He would sledge you, he would get into your head, he was aggressive. But he was always the first person, once it stumps, to shake your hand, have a beer with you. Like he was the first person. I'm sure you would have experienced that as well. It was literally whatever you guys want. I feel like that's not what we're missing now, but that bond that everybody creates are in those change rooms after the Games.

14:34Sir Alastair Cook: No, couldn't agree more. Couldn't agree more. Yeah. He was always the first there with a beer, wasn't he? Well... And you were always the first probably there. Far behind. Yeah, well, I've got one here as well. Number 47. Just one? How old are you, Jaco, now? 27. 27, so... Born in 99. 99, so six years before you were born. Do you remember Phil getting out to Shane? No surprise for naught. So 1993? 93, yeah. Same series as the Gatting Ball? Were you just getting out? Yes, yes. Correct. That might have been the same game. I remember some iconic moments, but was that in that series? Yes, it would have been, 93.

15:14That might have been that same game. Yeah, it probably was. Well, if Gat's getting out bowled, there's a fair chance that you're going to get.

15:19Sir Alastair Cook: Yeah. I still remember it. We were sitting there, Old Trafford, I think we bowled first. Pitch was the other way around. Yeah, it was a bit tacky. We bowled first. I got a couple. I think Mark Wawkaught and bowled. He didn't think you could bow. I got him out again. Just check this. Mark Wawkaught and bowled. And we've all gone up there and I think we bowled them out about 300. and we said, do you remember Old Trafford up the top used to have that sort of portable telly sort of stuck on the wall up the top sort of thing and we're all sort of getting changed and what have you. Yeah, getting changed and having a shower and what have you and then one of the boys has gone, right here, there's this bloke wall coming on me because we didn't have any sort of analysis.

16:07He got whacked in the previous, in the Lions game. He was only allowed to bowl leg spin for all the games leading up to this match as well.

16:13Sir Alastair Cook: None of us had seen him or anything like that. Blonde, dyed hair, you know, all short and everything. Oh, bloody hell. Mike described him as the beach bum. Yeah, there you go. And we're going, oh, you know, who's this bloody bloke? Come on, we'd better have a look at the telly. You know what I mean? So we've sort of gathered round the telly, you know. Come on, let's have a look at him. Like that. You know, he's going to be a leggy. He'll be a leggy. He'll bowl a couple short. We'll cut him away. He'll fully like that. Come on, we'll sort him out. None of us have seen him. And then he's bowled that bloody ball.

16:44Sir Alastair Cook: You know what I mean? Silence. We've all gone, oh. You go, oh, fuck. No, no, no. And we're looking at the telly, and we're looking at the telly, complete silence, sort of like a few jaws of it, the floor like that. And then Robin Smith has come, bless him, God bless him, the judge, has come sort of like creeping up to me and said, Tuffers, what have you been doing for the last two years? You've got two for 78. Two for 78. And you did get Mark Waugh caught and bogged. Thank you very much. I don't mess about, Mike. Anyway, my record here, my record here, number 47, 0, number 137, 0, number 159, 0, number 262, 1.

17:31Phil Tufnell: There you go!

17:32Sir Alastair Cook: Off him. Did you score any runs off him? Wow. I scored one of my best shots. Show us. Get the bat. One of my best shots. Down the wicket, was he? No, no. Sir, fail your bow at the oval. Is this the one before or after you fell over? Yeah, there was the fall of the oval. The same innings, wasn't it? No, no, this is... Have you seen him facing your dad? We've definitely done that, though. I think so, yeah. I've got it. Before you do that, did he ever see you bowl leg spin as well? No, I bowl left arm orthodox. Left arm orthodox. Is that leg spin? No.

18:00Phil Tufnell: Yeah, it's him. Yeah, but left arm orthodox. With your left arm. It goes the same way. Yeah. Did he ever give you tips? No, not really. On many other things. I was gonna say when Arnold Schwarzenegger used to be like a bodybuilder Yeah, in like the 70s and 80s because he was the best he would sometimes give fake advice So I was wondering if you ever cross paths with him when he was still playing if he'd give you like fake advice Just before you do the real deal just before you do your batting demo Philip that you get that run or two just Jack industry man This is the way that Phil Tufnell face your father bowling around the wicket

18:41Sir Alastair Cook: Listen, it's knocked out. You don't see that happen often. He's made you fall over. There's a better one. Wow. There's a better one. So your dad didn't bowl... You don't fall over again, do you? No, I just karate chop it. Your dad didn't bowl too many full tosses, so your dad bowls a full toss, it's a free, you've got to hit it. Yeah, but I still couldn't then hit it. I just decided not to hit a full toss off your pop. I've seen a few batsmen try and just put their foot on where the ball lands. There you go. Look. Oh, that's huge! That's huge! I have seen that. What was that for? Show us. You get a full toss with the late great chain one.

19:14Instead of just going smack it like that,

19:17Sir Alastair Cook: I've decided to sort of go... ..hi-yah! I don't know why. That is great. I still don't know why. I think he completely pissed at himself. I think he... Well, I made him bowl over the wicket. Out this ball, isn't it? Oh, thank you very much. Very nice, Mel. Thank you all. Nice. Very nice. I think you've frustrated him, Phil. Yeah, so he then comes over. He comes over to me there. Oh, yeah. He's bowled me the flipper and I knock him away for one. That might have been one, actually. It has to be one. Look at the old dad's barnet here, Jack. Oh, no, he's still around the wick. Oh, no. What's this?

19:53Sir Alastair Cook: He's highlighting that. LAUGHTER Anyway... What's that shot? Show me what that shot. What's that? That's called the usher. I ushered it to the leg side. Hold on, look. Here we go. So you see it and then you go, oh, oh, oh, oh. Just make sure. Yeah. Come on. You reckon if Dad was bowling that in the 100 now or bowling that in T20 now, that'd be a six? Yeah. Well, someone might be having a go, eh? I reckon that's getting, like, someone's going to have a massive swing at that. Over the wicket now. See, I've frustrated him now. Oh, lovely. Thank you very much. Just played off the pitch. Yeah, just played it off the pitch.

20:30Sir Alastair Cook: Anyway, but my best shot, one of my best shots ever, was at the oval. I mean, I think we'd lost by load anyway, and it was just at the death. And I've hit him over... Long off, that is. That's the offside, long off. Are you sure? Mid-off up, mid-off up. Absolutely, 100%. Mid-off up.

20:52Sir Alastair Cook: A four? A four? Yeah. Oh, nice shot. Yeah, it was a nice shot. Right, can we check? I can't find that clip. I've also missed him. I've also missed him by, I think, the most I've ever missed a cricket ball by. Oh, when? I've run down the wicket. I've run down the wicket. I think I was mistumped. I've run down the wicket like that. And I didn't know which way it was bloody going. You know, great at all that. Like that, so I've just got to sod it like that. So I've sort of gone like that. I reckon I've missed it. The actual delivery. As it went fast my back by that far. How far is that? Three foot?

21:30Sir Alastair Cook: Four foot? Two metres. Two metres. I reckon I've missed the ballpoint. I'm intrigued by this. When you're in your stance, at what moment do you... When you're in your stance, at what moment do you suddenly go, I'm going to dance down to Shane Warne? Well, because I think the game was up. Did you ever all remember the fizz? Because I only heard it as I was getting older and I heard people talk about it. You might have been there that time I first heard it. We were at the Dunhill and he literally was signing autographs and cricket balls from somebody on the other side. And they said, oh, continue just bowling with your ball.

22:06And Dad's like, sure, mate. Told him to go back about 15, 20 metres. And Dad literally, off two steps, bowled it. And you could hear like this... Like a really quiet fizz. I'm going, what was that? Dad's like, that's the fizz, mate. What's the fizz? He's like, you don't know what the fizz is. And I'm not sure if I was with you or some other guys. Might have been Ross. And they're like, Jacko, come on. You've got to know what the fizz is. I've gone, I've never heard the fizz. Dad's like, okay. So then he ripped one. And you could literally hear the ball going...

22:31Sir Alastair Cook: through the air. I could only imagine like being in the 90s early 2000s you don't hear a ball coming you when it's bowling 150 but you hear a ball coming at you when it's spin at 90 mile sorry 60 mile and you can just be like what the hell is going on? He made the ball talk. No absolutely. Jack you mentioned you were three in 93 when your dad balls the ball of the century. No no you were minus six. Yeah but your early memories when you were three four or five years of age. What do you remember of your dad? I've just got lots of happy memories. Always travelling, always smiling, always being on the road or in airports, in hotels.

23:09But I always just love seeing the reaction people would have when they saw dad and how he described it perfectly and he called it like this glow effect. He'd see this trail of people that dad would leave after getting into contact with him or saying hello or a photo and it was just the smile on his face and I think it's the perfect word to describe it like that glow effect because that's you know that was the ability dad had on people from all walks of life he was able to just you know make them glow and make them happy yeah i've just got you know an amazing amount of happy memories i mean he said in uh his autobiography in 2018 i would take the quiet life over the red carpet any day yeah well see this is the thing i think i think there's a little bit of mayo in that because he used to be like i have to get photos and do this and travel I was even thinking about when I came here, he used to be like, oh, Jack, I've got to go to England now for four or five months.

23:59I'm going to miss you. I'll see you when I get back. But then a week after him being here, I'm seeing him post selfies. He's got a bigger smile here than he would back in Melbourne. He's playing golf. He's talking to the cricketers. He's happy. So I think he'd play that down a little bit, but I can definitely understand why he's saying that because when he was home, he was home. When he was in Melbourne, if the cricket wasn't on, it was footy, poker, golf. It was his mate. so yeah I think there's a bit of mayor because if he had the choice to go on a red carpet I think he'd usually say yes you know he loved the Ellen border medals he loved going to you know not fancy events but the suit and tie events he did he used to get dressed up as well nice whistles oh he did yeah he's a

24:42Phil Tufnell: aviator glasses he used to put them on yeah yeah he's had a few good photos at the cricket with those big glasses so in shades of red yeah yeah covering last The night before. Yeah, covering up. Do you think, I mean, he loved London, didn't he? Yeah, he loved London. Do you think he could have more peace in London? I've been around him in Melbourne and it's non-stop. Yeah, no, I was... Can't go anywhere. Yeah, well, since being here, I was actually talking to a lot of the people from Sky and just, like, talking to them and they were telling me their stories with Dad. And I literally told them, like, sometimes Dad would say he felt like he got a better reception here in England than he did back in Australia.

25:16And when they would say, well, what do you mean? And he's like, well, just the respect they've got for your dad because he was so good against us. But then after he retired, how good he was with the Barmy Army, the commentators, his advice, his masterclasses, how much of his time and energy he was giving back to the England cricket fans. Like they actually learnt to love him. And a highlight for me last year was when the Barmy Army were in Bay 13, which is now the Shane Warne stand. To hear 30 ,000, 40 ,000 Englishmen on a Boxing Day test, on an Ashes cheer, walking in a Warnie Wonderland, like that just only dad could do that.

25:47So I think that just shows how much love he had for the English and how much love the English had for him.

25:52Phil Tufnell: He was chilled. In the con box, he just fitted in. He just fitted in, as he always do. It was great, absolutely brilliant. Honorary Pom. Yeah. I mean, I don't know where I've mentioned this before, but I had a Specsaver deal and I had these tinted glasses on and he took a shine. Me and him's on commentary. It's live. and he just said he said glasses are pretty cool I said oh the Carly Minogue range they yeah I said yeah the specs here is Carly Minogue yeah we're on commentary he said I'll ring her yeah rings it turn your TV on and you'll see a guy I'm sat next to this guy he's got your specs on yeah your range for spec service so she then said can you get his address yeah she wants she wants your address so I write me address down she sends a lovely bottle of rose wine and a note thanks for wearing my spectacles on cricket I said how do you know her and he just went he knew everybody oh he knew a few that's a great story though but that just shows the character he was like he was just ringer he yeah he just he had a relationship with no matter who it was old young male female sport actress whoever businessman but the friendship he had with them was like very deep it was he knew them on a personal level and it's just fun so so I'm on commentary again and doing it doing commentary and games going ahead this bloke comes and stands here and you know you just look and go Ed Sheeran yeah Ed Sheeran's with his dad come in with morning and just stood there and I've You're a good double take.

27:35Phil Tufnell: Yeah.

27:37Sir Alastair Cook: Don't worry about it. It was only Ed.

27:39Phil Tufnell: He was lovely. He was lovely. Yeah, because how that started, because Ed, his dad, John, loves cricket. That's it. And Ed said to Dad, he's like, look, it'd be like my, it's one of my dad's dreams to face an over from you. Do you think we could do something like that? And Dad said, of course. I'll organise the next session at Lord's. So they went down to Lord's and instead of bowling it over to him, bowled to him for like two hours. Yeah. And Ed said that wasn't actually the only time. He did it for him again, but for Ed and his mates. and they said Ed's mates was like the best thing they've ever done in their life.

28:09Sir Alastair Cook: Well, another quick story. At the Aegeus Bowl back in the day, whatever it's called now,

28:15Phil Tufnell: I don't know, during Covid, we were all sitting there

28:19Sir Alastair Cook: and we used to play, well, I didn't, but the boys sort of like would play, you know, Adam Mountford and the guys from the BBC, you know, the production staff and everything, would be sort of playing a bit of tennis ball cricket and what have you. We might be sitting in there having a pint. You know, obviously, obviously sort of, you know, distanced apart and everything and what have you. Two chevrons apart. Absolutely. And, you know, people were a bit low, weren't they? Yes. You know, people were a bit low. Stadium empty. Absolutely, stadium empty like that. And I said, listen, I said, warning, I said, you couldn't just come out and bowl a couple of boys to the lads, you know?

28:59Sir Alastair Cook: I said, yeah, of course you can, mate. Okay, yeah, bowled it. We had a Mountford, our producer. Did Mounting whack it? He did whack it, actually. It was quite late on in the evening. Adam Mountford that day faced Shane Warne and Wazzy Macram. Yeah, he did. That'd been a good bowling time. He bowled you out with an orange, didn't he? At the Dunnell? Yeah. I'm his last ever wicket. Old Trafford. One of the last ever ballsy bowl. Last ever wicket. So, again, Covid times at the Dunnell Lynx Golf Tournament, and you had to be in groups of six. so wherever you went that week you had to stay in the same group i think goffy was in our group i think joe root was in our group yeah um and as well uh a mate of mine called rick lewis and uh an american chap anyway we we just had a few every night in this marquee sat in this corner because you had to be in certain segments and we were sitting there drinking it got four you know it's 2 30 in the morning oh come on we better go as we're leaving the marquee we're still in there's a speaker and I've got a bottle of tequila I'm like come on let's have a game so we're looking around for anything to use as the ball and there's an orange so I surround surround like the speaker I'm batting with a tequila ball and all of a sudden and what he put he balls and happens he wasn't like getting delivered with an orange yeah the orange sticks in the speaker yeah that was his last ever wicket yeah last ever wicket he loved the tunnel and he loved going up there every year he loved the Dunhill and that was probably where I've got some of my happiest memories just being able to walk around the golf course with him and seeing how he was with all of you guys just playing golf You know, that was his one thing after cricket when he retired.

30:41It was poker and golf. And the Dunhill, he used to be, like, booked 12 months in advance. So right now we're in August. We would be August 2026. He would have already had 2027 ticked off and planned day to, like, every day. And he would already be working on 2028. So the first thing he'd put in his calendar before school, my birthday, his work commitments, his birthday, like, Nan Pa, whoever it was, it was Dunhill, September. It was always around his birthday too. It was the first thing he'd put in. He was incredibly organised, wasn't he? Yeah. Like, everything written down. You wouldn't expect that.

31:18Like, the public wouldn't expect that.

31:20Sir Alastair Cook: I suppose you've got to be. You've got to be, though, haven't you? When you've got so much on. Yeah, you've got to go and beat yourself. Otherwise, you'd just be enough fries. Well, we thought when he'd finished retiring, because one of the reasons why he retired was because he wanted to spend more time with his family. but I think when he retired or definitely when he retired, his schedule just got 100 times busier because he's got commentating but he's doing that everywhere. He played for Radistan Royals. He was doing all these different things. So he was actually travelling more and we saw him less but I think he was like, he'd always say you'd rather people say why you're retiring instead of when and I always thought he could have maybe gone a little bit longer but he retired at the perfect moment because he was like, I've achieved everything I absolutely wanted to in cricket.

32:03I got to play for Australia, get 708 test wickets, achieve absolutely everything. What else is there more to prove? But then he played three, four years for Adarstan Royals, around one or two years with Melbourne Stars, and then he did the Cricket All-Stars against Sachin Tendulkar. So he played for nearly ten years. Were you in the All-Stars? So he played for nearly ten years after he retired.

32:23Sir Alastair Cook: Yeah, still plays. Yeah, he's still playing. He had a hamster, didn't he, for a couple of years after. Yeah.

32:26Phil Tufnell: Well, now he got his own standard, haven't you? Yeah, but that was after. He's a bit greedy. I think I was talking to Vaughn, he's very greedy with those stands. because since he's passed, he's got, I'll try and get them all. He's got the Shane Warne stand at the MCG, the Shane Warne stand at Junction Oval. He's got the Shane Warne Oval at East Sandringham where he used to be a junior. The Shane Warne Oval at Mentone Grammar where he used to go to school. The Shane Warne stand at Hampshire. The Shane Warne commentary box at Lord's. The Shane Warne, did I say Shane Warne Gallery? Radistan Royals?

32:57No. Shane Warne Gallery, which is also a Shane Warne stand at Radistan Royals. He's got like nearly ten, he's got the statue and everything as well, the museum, but, like, it's getting pretty greedy. Jack, and I reckon he's got the shame-worn table at Pizza Pomodoro. He's got the shame-worn table.

33:13Sir Alastair Cook: Hot chips. He's got the whole... Hot chips. I'll tell you, I know where another one is. At the Oval. Shame-worn smoking cooler. That's it everywhere, I think. I don't think I've ever seen... I don't think I've ever seen a more excitable human being than when the Elvis impersonator came on on a Sunday night at Pizza Pomodoro and he sings suspicious mouth. I think because Dad thought he was Elvis. I think that's why he loved Pizza Pom so much. But I was literally talking to Rod yesterday and we were talking about Pizza Pom and that was like a really small, intimate restaurant, but Dad just loved it.

33:52It's where he took all of his friends and people he just wanted to hang out with and it's like this nice restaurant that turns into this really lively, what would you call it? Not club, but... Oh, it's not far off. It's tricky. It's tricky to describe.

34:07Phil Tufnell: And they had an Elvis impersonator. Oh, fantastic. Sunday nights, yeah. Oh, you'd love it. Yeah. Comes on. He's not slinged off, was he? Freddie can sing those. He's a good singer, isn't he? No. He's all suspicious minds. He did it on the Big Bash. Fell over, didn't he? He fell over the speaker. I forgot the words. Yeah, but in the Big Bash, he was at Fine Lego. Oh, he was. He sang it when he was playing. Playing for the Heat, wasn't he? Freddie Flintoff did. I think I was a commentator. Yeah, he sang it. While playing a Big Bash game. Yeah, he sang it on the boundary, yeah. Commentating on that, why wasn't...

34:42A Big Bash? It must have been. Because I was... I could see him doing it. We'll go to Pizza Pond. We'll go downstairs, turn right. Where is he? Table on the right. Which country is it? London. London, yeah.

34:53Phil Tufnell: All right. Starts rocking. Yeah, and is it 5 Hartford Street? Is that where he had his 50th? Yeah. Is that the... Yeah, that's... Members Club or something? Yeah. I've got lots of good memories there too. But we actually spent his 50th birthday ordering dough balls to his house and watching Back to the Future. Like that was his 50th. And then about two days later, then we went to Five High Street. That was how we spent the night of the 50th. He loved watching films, didn't he? Yeah. Well, I reckon some of my happiest memories, and this might sound bizarre, were actually during COVID because it was the first time like in my life that I could wake up and I knew Dad was going to be there like every day.

35:28So all we did was watch movies, talk, golf simulator. He used to go and FaceTime with you guys and do the golf simulator. It was the first time I was actually with him every day for more than two or three months. And we watched Back to the Future. He said this is the best and the worst movie of all time. Indecent Proposal. Have you seen that movie? Yeah. He said that was like, we'd love talking about that movie. But yeah, I just, I don't know, during COVID watching movies, that was like, he loved it. Stick to Cricket is brought to you by Betfair.

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37:53You've been up to Accrington, haven't you? Yeah, we went to Accrington, which was like his club in 1990. Yeah. I found the photo and, yeah, it's so nice coming here because even though I'm in England, I still feel like I'm at home. Like I've gone to school here, I've lived here before. Dad's got so many memories here and history here. I know lots of people. England's also quite similar to Australia. We both love our sport, pubs, culture. But, yeah, it's been really nice coming here. And going to Accrington was really cool because I got the photo with the Accrington sign and then the photo that Dad's in from 1990, you can see the Accrington sign and it's like nearly identical.

38:28So it gave me an idea to like somehow go on a bus and tour all these different ovals and talk to all these people down at Hampshire and, you know, just hear all the stories of what dad was like before he became who he was. But what I reckon I'd find and what you guys would know as well, it's all very similar. Just wanted to make people laugh, loved a good time.

38:48Phil Tufnell: He had a respect for Bob Simpson, didn't he? But not a respect for John Buchanan. Are they the coaches? Yeah. So Bob Simpson was a mentor because he was a gun batter 311 at Old Trafford, but a wonderful leg spinner and a great coach. And Dad had a good respect for Bob Simpson. Yeah, no, I know. But not so for Buchanan. Yeah, no, I know that about Simpson, but the one with Buchanan was because of the camps. It was like later in Dad's life, he was just around retiring and he'd already gotten, you know, 600, 700 wickets and they're trying to do this boot camp of like pushing up these military trucks and doing all these things and they're like all right well Shane while you're here you've got to do this diet you can't smoke you've got to do all these you know push this tank up there and dad's like mate what is me pushing this tank and not letting me smoke and eat what I want going to improve how I bowl leg spin if you're going to make me more uncomfortable and uneasy not myself I'm not going to be able to perform and when you break it down like that they nearly I think kicked him off the boot camp because they're like you can't smoke and dad's like well I have to smoke and then I think the other players the other players came in and were like look we can't get rid of our best player like just let him have a smoke come on yeah but yeah you hear all those he had um when he did the jungle you know he had a deal didn't he where he yeah that was allowed off campus for a fact if you want to call it cheated it was his deal that was one of the only things that if he said if I am going to do the jungle, I need to be able to have a smoke.

40:18Phil Tufnell: You used to watch him in commentary boxes where, you know, you can't smoke, can you, in commentary boxes. Ian Ward would be with him, you know, Ward. So the pair of them, you know, where's he gone? Oh, no, I know where they'll be. And so you go on this. Well. Yeah, and so when you go out onto this platform and these stairs, dingy stairs, there's these tabs on the floor.

40:37Sir Alastair Cook: But the reason why that is, the reason why that is, is because, as you said, I'd nip down there, you know, I'd nip outside, headily or something, and go to the place and have a little quiet one. You know, I'd get 10 or 15 people walk past me and go, hello, toughers, can I have a selfie? Can I have an autograph? When you go down there with Warnie, there'd be more people queuing up for his autograph than watching the bloody game. You couldn't do it. You couldn't, you know what I mean? He says, I can't just nip out like a normal person and have a bag, you know. I've got a lot of good memories of that.

41:15It was especially in Melbourne during the spring carnival. Like we'd be down at Flemington for the Melbourne couple for something. And what usually would be a five-minute walk from here to there, when it's just me, five minutes, when I was with Dad, it would nearly be an hour because of the amount of people wanting to just say hello, autograph, a selfie, tell him something. And Dad would never say no unless it was like there's some ways of how you can say Warnie that Dad knew he was being like a dick or he was being nice. So if he heard the one being a dick, he would just ignore it and if he doesn't say please or thank you, he'd be like, no, because he was all about manners.

41:50And if he didn't say please or thank you after the photo, he'd annoy him. But Dad never said no. He always just wanted to make people happy. We went to... Exhausted, really. We went to a new bar opening in Brisbane, one of the commentary nights. And I was there with Warnie and Gilly. and we went in the front door and you had to go around the bar where they'd got us a kind of tabled area. Me and Gilly walked through and Gilly's huge in Australia. You know, they tapped on the back, I kind of sneaked around quickly. Gilly kind of comes out a minute later. 40 minutes it took him just to get around the bar.

42:27Phil Tufnell: Yeah. Are you a smoker or not? No. Good. Brilliant. I haven't got that. It's been weird though because in the last three, four years there's so many things I never thought I'd do but I saw Dad do And it's like his spirits gone into here and now he's doing all the things that he used to do Like going to advanced hair studio and now working for Sky Sports. They're things that Dad not me, but now I'm doing them which is so bizarre, but you're only jobs going at Sky You want to come back?

42:57It's been fun. It's nothing I thought like I'd ever be doing so It's good I think dad would just be really proud that I'm giving it a go and trying something because you've known me my whole life and I've always been like the more quieter person, didn't really put myself out there. So me just saying yes to these opportunities and stuff, I think you'd be really happy with. But yeah, getting the Sky Sports microphone on the Thursday for the first London Spirit game at Lord's, that was very surreal. Like talking to the crowd and Tiny Temper and some of the cricketers, like that was just a weird thing because I'd watched him do it for 10, 15 years.

43:32It's my turn to do it. It was strange. You enjoyed it? Yeah, it's been awesome. I've really loved it. And I've been lucky that it wasn't all, like there were some live things, but it wasn't all live, so I had the chance to, you know, breathe and do pre-recording if I make a mistake. But this is for context how nervous I was. When I went there for the first session for London Spirit at Lord's, I went up to Johnny or Johnny Best having an interview and I had my questions ready that I was going to ask him. And I was so nervous that I forgot what my second question was when I asked my first one. then I said oh yep so Johnny you know how are you enjoying retirement do you find a bit more time to relax and you know do other things and he's like still available for selection and I was like oh so I've just needled him and said you've you know how's retirement but he's just been not picked and I've just gone oh so I had a few blunders but it was all learning and he was fine about it and we caught up for dinner and had a great chat yeah it's just all those little things that you make mistakes and I think you learn of course who's your favorite Australian and cricket check your dad out of it apart from dad yeah from like that he played with just anyone

44:40Sir Alastair Cook: yeah it was the one that you get on the well the best way i'm trying to think i love i love merv hughes oh he's really good he did my podcast earlier in the year and they've got lots of good stories because he looked after dad yeah yeah he did i do it was his mind yes he was his mind yeah he was like on dad's first ashes tour he sat next to merv on the plane and on the tour bus he's like so what's the ashes like and merv was like mate just drink this and we'll eat maccas and passion beers and be a great time how good's this so he was at mid-off wasn't he when you bowled the ball yeah but no i'd probably have to say merv but a lot of them have been great they always check up on me and it's been nice.

45:23You've done other shifts with Steve Waugh. Yeah, he did. He did. Yeah. But I think the thing with Steve is I haven't met Steve. Sorry, I might have met him briefly at Dad State Memorial. Yeah. But the thing with Steve is everybody thought they didn't, you know, get along or like each other but there's a level of respect they had for each other because when they go out and they're representing their country, they put aside their differences, they put aside their personalities, whatever. But as soon as it came to playing for Australia, are representing your country, like they had so much respect for each other and I think that's, you know, he's one person I'd love to talk to about, you know, his relationship with Dad but, yeah, seeing how he talks about him now and everything is, you know, it's nice.

46:02Good, good. I think that happens in sport. Like you're going to have those clashes with personalities. It's impossible for everybody to get along. But if you've got, you know, a goal that you're all trying to achieve, especially if you're representing your country, all the other fluff and the noise you can put aside. Bumble, do you work with Steve Waugh?

46:19Phil Tufnell: No, with Mark. You work with Junior? Yeah. So, you know, they're twins and they're totally different. Yeah. They are totally different. Yeah. Now, Dad spent a lot of time with Junior. I know they worked with each other at Fox and everything like that too. But at Triple M with Mertif, I mean, that is off the wall. You enjoy it, yeah. Go on, Cookie, what's on your thing? I just got caught Hussey. Old SK Warden. Where was Hussey?

46:42Sir Alastair Cook: Short leg, I think. Oh, just pushed forward. In the rough, I think. Hard hands. I don't know. It's 40 yards. Is that a couple? 40 yards. 40 yards. Ticking over. Ticking over. Enough to play the next game. That's better than one. That was the first game of the Ashes 2006 at Brisbane. Four and a half hours? Four and a half hours. So you played in Warnie's last test? I played in his last test. And you were there for the 700th? I was there. I was really out by then. Because basically Stuart Clarke and McGrath got me. Yeah. And then, so I didn't really face him much. Yeah. What was it like, can you remember when you were there, when Dad got the 700th?

47:14because I've heard from multiple people that when they're in the stand or they were playing, and I know Dad likes to put some mayo on his stories, but he said that it's the loudest they've ever heard the MCG. Yeah, I mean, it was loud, yeah. I mean, obviously, I can't compare it to any other times, but I'm glad it wasn't me. I mean, I was really out. Who was it? Strauss. Strauss. He just played around one. But I think he moved mid-wicket, didn't he? He moved mid-wicket a little bit and let mid-wicket open. He'd come round the wicket and just miss...

47:41Phil Tufnell: Did Strauss shake hands with him or anything? No, he was unbelievable. Well-balled old chap. Well, that happened to Fred Truman's 300th wicket. Who was it? He was an Australian. Simpson. Neil Hawke. And got him out, Fred, for his 300th wicket. Neil Hawke came down and shook hands with him. Never be beaten. I've seen Dad, I'm not sure who it was against, and I'm not sure if we're allowed to swear on this, but I've seen him get people out and then go, you can fuck off. He was really giving it to him when he'd get them out. Daryl Cunnell. Cunnell didn't mind me why. He had him in his pocket a few times.

48:15He had some good nicknames for people too, Shermanator. Yeah. Love Belly. He's a nice sport you can wish to meet. But to be fair, he was unbelievably great. If you did score runs against him, I did get 100 at Perth. And I did have that. I've got a while. Not that I've got it up. But in my old grandma's house, there was a picture of me celebrating him clapping in the background. That was quite a nice photo. Yeah. Like we were talking earlier, he'd always been the first person to say, well done. after calling me eight hours. You know when he was... He was right, though. Yeah. For the short time when he was at home, you know, not travelling, did he talk cricket to you guys?

48:52Not really. Like, I've probably honestly watched more cricket this month than I have in, like, at least ten years. And I've definitely watched more cricket since his passing than I did in my entire life. Like, I'm... Not that my memories are getting blurred, but I've always had two versions of Dad, which is Dad that I know and then Shane Warne, the cricketer. You watch. And even though they're like the same person, to me they're always different because I didn't know Shane Warne, the cricketer. And I'm starting to figure out who Shane Warne, the cricketer, is, which I'd love to talk to Dad about.

49:22So I've seen so much footage of him just bowling and talking about cricket that it's not like I regret it, but it's one of the things like I'm quite sad I'll never really get to talk to him about. You know, like even coming here and going to Accrington, like I didn't get to talk to him about what it was like playing at Accrington or that I can remember. I know what Hampshire was like, but they're all the things that, like, I am going to be sad I get to miss out on. But it's so nice coming here and talking to all the other cricketers because they put him, like, as the number one. Oh, yeah. I have seen, though, you always say, all right, who's the greatest bowler of all time?

49:56And there's Dad and then there's... You've said it was Dad before, haven't you? Yeah. But then you said it was Boomerah.

50:01Phil Tufnell: Yeah, Boomerah. You sometimes change. No, he's been... This year he's been at Boomerah. The greatest bowler there's ever been. Oh, he's unbelievable. He's a quick bowler, him. Oh, he is, yeah. Yeah, but I said Shane was the greatest cricketer if I'm picking my team Cross all formats. I'm starting at number eight with Shane. What? Yeah, there you go Back a little bit great copper in the slips and you could argue I've got him at night But they're why that is I can take that I'm say one nine. Yeah, but I'm starting with I'd start with Akron. Sawbush seeks. Right, OK. Let's pick it. Hold on a minute.

50:41Phil Tufnell: Hang on, where's the screen?

50:44Sir Alastair Cook: Harry, I'll just say one thing quickly. Please do. You're talking about Bumberi, you're talking about Bumberi, you're talking about Warn. I'm Earl Boomer. Boomer. Boomer. Boomer. The showman.

50:59Phil Tufnell: The theatre.

51:00Sir Alastair Cook: The theatre. The entertainer. Absolutely. I only saw one at the end, so I didn't see him when he was at his... I didn't face him when he had all his other tricks. It always matters. It always takes the chook off. It used to take five minutes to set the field. Oh, no, no, no, no. It was like a show.

51:18Phil Tufnell: It was like a show. Why was I commentating on that? Big Bash, when they were mic talk with McCullum. Yeah, that's it. No, with Aaron Finch. Aaron Finch. Grab some more people. He's talking to him. What are you going to ball? I'm going to bowl this and I'm going to bowl that. Aaron Finci, leave him to me. It was a great contest. That worked, talking to the players. That worked because the player's that good. But asking them what curry they like is nonsense. It's utter crap.

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51:57Sir Alastair Cook: We're picking the greatest ever. We're all World XI. We go back to West Earth Barnes and everyone.

52:02Phil Tufnell: No, no, no, no, no, in our lifetime. I reckon Warnie's best commentary on the Big Bash is when he was, I think it was Marlon Samuels. Yeah, that was brilliant. And Marlon, remember he threw the bat? Yeah, when he said, you're going to grab some more people, F.U. Marlon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a pod shop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There you go, I come and Warnie. That's easy. So, hold on. Gil, Chris at seven. You know a funny story about Dad? Where are we playing? Yeah. Just Mike. Go on. Yeah, but where? Where are we? A funny story about Dad, when he would first meet people, and then say, what are you doing?

52:35No, instead of all. I'm at both. And they go, oh, you know. I was middle of a point. You're a batsman or a bowler. You don't choose I'm an all-rounder.

52:40Phil Tufnell: That's the one who's at Melbourne. Oh, yes. Dad used to introduce himself as an all-rounder. Oh, no, absolutely. He's a good G. I reckon if you asked him, you could bat higher, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He loved batting. Warn, he bat higher. Yeah. Or if you told him you need to get in at six or whatever, he'd say yes. Like, he loved batting.

52:55Sir Alastair Cook: Well, Edson had nearly turned it round, didn't he? The famous 2005. He's the only batsman as well because everyone talks, oh, he didn't get 100, he got so close, it was a no ball and everything. But he actually has a record because he didn't get the 100 and that's he's got the most test runs without getting 100. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had a great eye. It's a pretty cool record. What was your point going to be? No, I just said, I reckon, I mean, I saw it then. Mullereth was a better bowler in terms of I found it harder to face him. but in terms of actual personality and effect on a game, you'd never...

53:28He was the best I ever saw. Yeah, yeah. Influencing the game just by... Bumrah.

53:33Phil Tufnell: Bumrah, Dave. Bumrah, Dave.

53:36Sir Alastair Cook: Calis. Are you having Bumrah? Calis. Are you having Bumrah? Yeah. Calis. Bumrah 11. Yeah. Calis. Got to be Jack Calis. Number three. Calis three. Well, we can have Murlin then in the side, if you've got Calis. I don't think we need... Just prepare buns and burners and stick Murley in. You don't need any seamers.

53:58Phil Tufnell: If you put Murley at ten... Tendulka? Tendulka?

54:02Sir Alastair Cook: Yes.

54:02Phil Tufnell: Hey, guys, don't look at me. Oh, hold on, hold on, Lara.

54:05Sir Alastair Cook: Hold on, hold on. Lara, Lara. Lara.

54:08Phil Tufnell: Lara. Lara's a four. Are we going to say Tendulka Lara? Lara Tendulka. Yes. Lara. Ponting. Ponting. Ponting. Just with the Murley, how you say Murley's a better spinner than Dad, How come when everyone's making their teams, they always put warning over Muralee? Well, I think it was the impact. I just said actually facing Muller. You just struggled to face Muller. Well, obviously, he spun the ball. Well, I only saw Shane at the end. Yeah. So it's really hard for me to judge like a bowler. I can only judge bowlers when you face them. Yeah. So, like, I mean, I didn't face him a huge amount, but he really only had his leg spinner at the end.

54:42Because his shoulder was gone. At the end of the year, his shoulder was gone. So it's really hard to judge it, but Muller obviously spun it miles.

54:47Sir Alastair Cook: Both ways, miles, yeah. But miles. So like it's a real but in terms of having working a player out and influence again, right? It's great. Yeah, and you can imagine him standing at slip telling helping other ball that would be unbelievable. Dave, we've got it. We've got Calis, Sobers, Akram. We need Morley. We can have Morley and where's Walsh and Ambrose and Donald. I'm staying Jimmy and Jimmy and rule. We've got early there. I think he's trying to rage bait you, Vaughn. I think Bumble's trying to get you.

55:22Phil Tufnell: Yeah, well, look, one or two. We ain't got one or two. Opening bats. I'm going to say Hayden, but I don't know. He can't be far off. Cook! Cook! No, no, I'm not making, no. I'm not anywhere near that side. You can have Draven, you can have Ambler. 12 ,000 Test match runs. No, I'm not going anywhere near that. You are in the all-time, whenever I see all-time 11 England dashes, you're always in the opening. Yeah, but we're talking about Lara. We're talking about Sobers. Let's just... Could you have... Could you have... If you put me out, I'm walking out. Would you have Sachin and Brian opening together?

55:57Pardon? I can imagine having Brian and Sachin walking out together to open.

56:01Sir Alastair Cook: We need a little order. We need a little order. Joe, by it. Joe's got to get in there somewhere, hasn't he? He could open, Joe. Brute's in the squad. Brute. He could open. Come on, open him, Baz. Greenwich. Everyone said how good he was.

56:15Phil Tufnell: Well, you guys wouldn't have played against Greenwich. Hayden. One and two. Hayden. I mean, just personally, Hayden and Saewag. Just because if he had Saewag... Hayden and Saewag. Put Saewag in. What about Coley? Could he get a gig in the opening? Coley's in the mix. He's in the squad. But not even as the opener? I mean, you could go driving because he has opened. No, Hayden and Cougs. No, no, no, no, Saewag. No, no, no, please. Sometimes the batsmen batting at three or four, though, pretty much do open because they could drop a wick in the first two or three overs.

56:52Sir Alastair Cook: Listen, all those boys there could bat bloody anywhere, mate. Yeah, that'll do. Boycott, boycott. Oh, boycott. Yeah. Oh, OK, you've just snuck out there. Wicket can go, can't it open? Remember, sobers can float if his left arm is down. Captain. Oh, yes, yes, and spin it a bit. We don't need any spin. Would you say Kellis, statistically, is the best cricketer of all time just because of his numbers? Because I've been seeing that pop up a lot in a conversation now. Stats-wise, yeah. Because of his wickets, runs, all-rounder. Catches. Catches, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Great all-round player. But he's not the first person that people pick, is he?

57:27If you're making... No, he's sort of. They forget him. Yeah, but then everyone says he's the greatest. So how can you... Yeah, it's a good call. I suppose it's like... Warn captain. Why did you die? Not captain. Well, if you want to get political, I think he's the only... Yeah, we do. He's the only... And... All right. I think I've spoken to people about like why obviously wasn't a captain and it's because of all the off field and the media attention but I'm pretty sure and I'll be I'm happy to be corrected but dad was the only Australian cricketer ever that got the plays votes and the coaches vote but wasn't made captain so I think that was the board saying you're just not going to be a captain but I'm happy to be wrong like plays and coaches from that time can come out and say no but like I'm pretty sure, to my knowledge, just from I remember what Dad was telling me and the people in that era, he's the only person that got those votes and wasn't captain.

58:19So it was almost sort of... Because he was captain of every other team he played for. Hampshire, Stars, Rajasthan, Victoria, Hampshire. And he won championships and titles at every single team except for the Melbourne Stars. And now they're getting dissolved. But he loved that extra layer of responsibility. But they're gone, Stars. I think so, is that right? Stars and renegades? I think the renegades are trying to sell. They're trying to combine them to make one Victorian team.

58:46Sir Alastair Cook: That's interesting. So you're saying that, and he's proven that as well, that he loved that extra layer of responsibility. And then what you're saying, that the hierarchy at the time in Australia didn't sort of feel that they could... He was just messing about. Yeah, I think so. He wouldn't take it seriously. Yeah, I think so. It's a different time now. So if he was playing now, I'm not sure if he'd be captain or not, but I'm pretty sure, to my knowledge, it was something to do with that. But yeah, he did love that extra layer of responsibility. Absolutely. Like he wanted to take all of the responsibility, all the accountability, all of the pressure, all of the blame.

59:24Scoring wrongs. He was happy to put his hand up if he made mistakes for fielding or who to bowl or who to bat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like he was a massive strategist.

59:31Sir Alastair Cook: Yeah, but they perhaps just saw him as a bit of a maverick. They would have just saw him as a league spin bowler, loud personality, flamboyant lifestyle. Yeah, not the bad for us. We'll let him bowl. We'll let him bowl for us. But when you get to know him, you realise he actually is a very deep thinker. He loved the strategy of the game. Yeah, interesting. He was a student. He adored cricket, didn't he? Yeah. Absolutely adored it. You've dealt with the tragedy incredibly well. I was at the private funeral and listened to you speak. No idea how you did that. the State Memorial exactly the same and the way that you speak now it's quite remarkable the composure that you show thank you where and how have you got that I'm not sure I think naturally my whole life I was always just around dad and I saw how he spoke to people how he was with the media how he answered people and you know how we went about things but yeah especially for me after the state memorial when I got off the stage in front of 50 ,000 people and I felt like okay doing that speaking about something that was so private has helped me really get out of my comfort zone talking on camera because now I've got the perspective of if I can do that under those circumstances why can't I talk to you for in this fun room talking about him so everything that I'm doing that's you know talking about dad I feel so comfortable doing it because I feel like it actually makes it a little bit stronger like I'm not really the biggest talker and I don't really open up to many people about things but I found talking about something that is so traumatic to me which is dad and I don't want this to try and sound too negative all the time but it's actually really helped me grow and helped me just talk more who would have thought talking about things actually helps you but it's helped me you know podcasting and doing this I think just everyone's always got positive memories about him sisters are good Brooke's good Summer's good everyone every day is just getting better I think like it has been a really quick four years we have had to do so much but like everybody also misses him if that makes sense and I'm not the only person that's lost a dad so many other people have lost dads in worse circumstances or a lot younger than I have but I'm so lucky that I literally got to spend 22 years with like my best friend and got to do so many different things travel meet people and like he was the best at what he did so I'm always so proud to talk about him and go into rooms and you know hear what he did hear about his playing days and it's like I'm learning another side to him that I didn't get to learn which is thank you Vaughn I don't I think I've still got lots of room to improve but he didn't remarkably is Brooke still doing a TikTok yeah she's still got a cooking channel cook with Brooke yeah she wants to release like a cooking book with all of like her homemade meals and pizzas and chips yeah just ages on food and covered i i was over there commentating and the warne family took me in on christmas day so um warney picked me up outside the crown in melbourne in his g-wagon with all the presents i remember that was in 2021 you got the hotel sorrento bucket hats that's right that's right and we flew down to sorrento 150 miles an hour trying to take on every car that was at the lights, revving them up.

1:02:49An hour and a half drive he would have done to maybe... Flew down. The dog, what was the dog called? That one would have been Mason. Mason came straight up to me and he just looked at me and went, look, dog loves me as well. Everything's a competition. We ended up at Warnie's brothers having Christmas lunch and there was a massive spread on. So we'd get up with the plates, go up to the spread and it's all the usual stuff, turkey, veg, potatoes, I'm getting a big plate full. and at the end there was a big lasagna massive lasagna I was like odd on Christmas Day and a load of bread rolls go back around the table all the family there suddenly warn he comes back and he's got two big white bread rolls two massive chunks of butter and two pieces of lasagna he rips it with his hands the bread gets the chunk of butter splats it in squashes it together then reopens it gets the lasagna puts it in the roll squashes it right Jacko comes back from the buffet and he's just about to take a big bite of his lasagna sandwich before he does that goes catch up put some fire ketchup on just about to take who looks at Jack goes where's your veg?

1:03:59It's a true story yeah veggies and stuff weren't in me and dad's like nothing and what about the the shame-worn legacy yes it's doing a great job isn't it Yeah, it is. We actually just hit half a million checks as well, which is like unheard of. And it's about just bringing as much awareness to heart health as possible. We did our first activation in 2023, the Boxing Day test.

1:04:24Sir Alastair Cook: Yes. Got just over 7 ,000 checks. And to see where it's now turned into, not even three years later, to hit half a million checks, like it's just, we have ambitious goals, like for what we want to try and do with the Shane Warne Legacy. and, yeah, when you hear those numbers, it's crazy. But we've actually got real proof now of people that went and do these checks because we recently did a survey and it's actually 85 % of the people that have done the check have actually made real-life changes and behavioural changes. So either changing their diet, seeing their GP more often, being on top of their blood, stopped smoking or taking more supplements or whatever it is to actually encourage and get a better, you know, look after their heart a bit more.

1:05:04Sir Alastair Cook: It's the first point of call, isn't it? We did it. I think we did it. Yeah, we did it. We all did it. And it's just that first point of call, that wake up and then just do... Yeah, and it's pretty much just a basic health screening. And because it's free, it's done really quickly and it's accessible to anybody. It just makes people be more aware of their numbers. And if there is something that is in the red, then it's up to them to make the decisions. But to hear 85 % have actually made real-life changes just shows what we're doing is working. Absolutely. Well, it gives you your age, doesn't it?

1:05:35Yeah, so it does.

1:05:44Phil Tufnell: yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah the machines yeah yeah hold on to that's it that's it to do your heart rate and everything like

1:05:51Sir Alastair Cook: that yeah yeah i think how did you do i've made a few life changes yeah it's okay it says i'm obese and like i'm 35 and i'm only 27 so it's all right sometimes in stressful environments it can be a little bit like amplified or wrong but we've said the best way to do it is just do a few over a year and get an average yeah that's the best way to get an accurate yeah well and it did and it did work so I thought to myself you know okay well we've got there was a really good you make a few changes well yeah it's not a few facts Jack you've got a podcast yes yep got a podcast called Warren's Way which I started last year and you've been on it as well for me so So thank you for coming on.

1:06:33We filmed that in Dad's commentary box at Lord's. And, yeah, I feel like the podcast for me was something that I was going to start with Dad. And, like, I just loved the father-son dynamic, old-young, his personality. And, like, you guys would know who he was able to talk to and how he could talk to them would just be really cool. So when we floated some ideas and I think Fox were about to take it, it was during COVID, but then logistically it was just too hard. And then after he passed, obviously it was impossible. but for me with the podcast, I know that's like one thing that he would love me doing because I'm putting myself out there.

1:07:06I'm talking to his friends. I think he would like that we're still talking about him. Like it's weird. I think he's getting spoken about more than anybody I've seen pass away in like the last 20 or 30 years. Like it's crazy and maybe it's just because my world I'm living in every day but like I've seen even on this podcast he gets brought up all the time. Like I'm scrolling on my phone and like I just love to see it. So I think that's one thing he would love is just how much people miss him and how many people are still talking about him.

1:07:34Phil Tufnell: So back to the commentary box, he pulled me aside. He said, look, I've got this idea. I've got a management company in Australia. He said that you and me, he said the two of us, will do extreme commentary. I said, how's that going on? He said, well, like, when a wicket falls, give him out, you fucking wanker. I said, well, where's this going? It's only on the internet. I said only on the internet. I said we'd just be cooked. But if you think, not as bad as that, but that's Triple M. That is Triple M. That's the gold. I couldn't believe it. I met the guy at Triple M and so Merv's on, Beefy's on, and he said no real parameters, you just get stuck in, say what you think.

1:08:21Phil Tufnell: So you listen. When you're new to a commentary, you sort of sit and listen and brace your own and Langer in there. and a wicked foul court setting slip he's gone setting slip what a dickhead what a wanker is that shit

1:08:37Sir Alastair Cook: that's very good that would triple M yeah I think I've done triple it it is brilliant yeah it's good it's a good idea though because that's where you see more people now doing like watch parties where they're watching some sort of sport especially in like the NBA or the UFC separate from the commentary team they've got their own they're watching the sport and they're doing how they would commentate it and they find it really entertaining yeah because they're not a professional they're just giving their pundits advice they're brutal they're honest they're swearing that's us out of a job yeah well yeah that's the only thing obviously i've i've been quite quiet in this thing because i didn't actually know shane that well because i played against him a bit then we had a bit of a i was when i retired i was really looking forward to spending like just chatting to him because we only we only ever kind of clashed He was like Michael Clark, best mate when he and then yeah that period of time when I was captain He was captain of Clark and actually I actually spoke to him about it once when he was I was like Because he called I think he called me the worst captain ever One day called you that and then called me the worst captain ever the next day and I was like that why you merely here He's and then I actually I said mate I actually spoke to him about it Yeah, and then since that day he came in with a deal he picked up the phone and said have you thought about doing this when you went and stuff mental it was a real change I was really looking forward to obviously when you then slide in the commentary box have a little bit more free time yeah moving great to just chat cricket yeah no I'm sure like he would have if he had the chance to talk to you one-on-one about anything he'd always like it's brilliant yeah he was I'll probably was the worst catch ever since calling you I'm sure you were great but I'm like he was always not too honest but he was always just himself so he's very opinionated and it's one of the things like with Mitchell Stark at the moment, like Dad was always very critical of him and he was always really honest and brutal.

1:10:25And sometimes that would have an effect on somebody where it would either break them and they would get really upset from it and they would go backwards. But for some people, they used it as fuel and went forward. So sometimes not Dad would do it on purpose, but Dad was able to do and have opinions that would like really affect people. But to see how well Mitch Stark's doing now, and he just won the Shane Warne Test Player of the Year award at the Allen Border Medal. That's number 11 or something else. Yeah. But Dad would be, I can guarantee, the first person to say, well done, Starkey, here's the trophy, congrats, mate.

1:10:55Like, I know that for a fact because even though, like you guys would have seen on the field, he was so competitive and he was so sledging, he was always the first person to congratulate. Like, when he's saying that about your captaincy, I'm sure if you got the chance with him one-on-one, he would have been like, mate, well, this is why I'm thinking. Yeah, he was. Let's try and talk about it. Jack, are we... Sorry that he called you that. No, no, no, you're fine.

1:11:14Sir Alastair Cook: You don't have to apologise for your dead sledges. He did as well. If he was still here, he would have loved to come on the podcast.

1:11:19Phil Tufnell: He's getting things off his chest. He had Piers Morgan as well.

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1:13:03Jack, we finished with a few community questions. Yes. Actually, the first one's for Sir Alistair. It says, Murli or Shane Warne? Oh, there you go. I would have worn ahead of Mullerithran in the team. But I just found Mullerithran harder to face when I faced him. And I think, yeah. Lefty. This is a good one. Kerry Packer once told him, sell the blue Ferrari sun and lay low for a while. So he did and he bought a silver one. That could be true because I remember... Family cars. Yeah, no, I remember that was a family car. There's a really good photo of me in the Ferrari of that with a baby seat. and you were not allowed to do that and Dad was like, nah, it'll be fine, mate.

1:13:45So there's a really good photo of exactly that. I know exactly what car you're talking about. But yeah, Dad loved his cars. He had Lamborghinis, Ferraris and then as he got older and he wasn't able to get in and out of the cars as easy and he was always carrying golf clubs, plus with me booking summer, he sort of got rid of them and just went to all the Mercedes, like you said, the G-Wagon, which is now what I drive. But yeah, he loved cars. He did Top Gear a few times too. He was a very capable driver. I always felt really safe with him. He would drive fast and he would be doing donuts and he'd be going start wide, finish narrow, slow in fast out, all these proper driving techniques.

1:14:26But there was not one part of me ever that felt scared. Did Warnie ever try and get you into cricket or AFL? Definitely AFL. He was never the dad that pressured me into doing anything. Like, we didn't wake up and he'd have a cricket ball and be like, all right, Jacko, we're going down into the nets. Like, that just didn't happen. I think if he could wave a magic wand, he would have loved for me to play AFL because, like, that was his first dream. He'd said it in his book, in his documentary, that that was his first love. And the only reason he started playing cricket was because he got delisted from St Kilda.

1:14:59And I remember there was one time during COVID when me and Dad were just, like, doing nothing. I said, can we go down into the nets? He's like, really? I said, yeah. And he's like, okay. So he would organise like 10 cricket balls. We went down into the nets. And like I was bowling so bad. I was hitting the top of the thing, the top of the cage. I was dribbling the balls. It was coming out to the right, bouncing four or five times. But then like one in every maybe 10, I would get like one good one. And it would go like this. And that would be like, there you go. And I'm like, oh, that was really good.

1:15:29But after bowling there for like 30, 40 minutes, when people were walking their dogs up and down, they would sort of see, hang on, is that Shane Warne bowling? Who's the son? Wow. And then all of a sudden, like after 30, 40 minutes of bowling, the whole of the nets was just crowded. There's people there watching just stopped walking their dogs, taking photos and videos, because they just wanted to see Dad bowl. And I was like, sorry guys, I'm so bad, I can't give you anything. And then it turned into a mini masterclass clinic of Dad just bowling to me for 20, 30 minutes for all the people that had crowded around the nets.

1:16:01But no, it never got me into it. I did take a hat trick though when I was 15 in my second game playing. four or five balls with a hat-trick and Dad was there. He was the coach for the day. Was he umpire? I said I was bowling leg spin, but I was bowling moon balls, which is just the slowest and worst ball of all time. It was just literally the batsman knew who I was and my ball was so bad that they tried to hit a six and either hit it straight up and get caught, miss and get stumped. So it's one of the only certificates I got from school. It's that little cricket ball which I've still got. There you go.

1:16:35My podcast studio. the date and the time. We'll finish with this one. Murley and Warney, the best two spinners of all time, yeah? Yeah. Who's the third best? Oh. Ah. Amon Kumble. Harbizhan, Kumble, Swan, Tufnel.

1:16:52Sir Alastair Cook: Ashwin. Ashwin. Gibbs. Oh, Lance Gibbs. Great shout. Nathan Lyon has to be up there for two. Nathan Lyon. Ashwin Lyon. Lyon. Lyon or Kumble for me. Lyon. Lyon or Kumble. Lion just bidders double in England did you date it did in India in India in India lion Nathan light yeah has he got the most we gets behind dad merely I think sure yeah I mean I mean I'm just off spinner on his day to bunch on again left-handed ospins what about toughness he's in the conversation what about Rashid Khan is he close or no Across the format. Across the format. He hasn't played many Test matches. Aniel Kublai was a good show.

1:17:41Phil Tufnell: Real good. Yeah, he was quick. Jacko, thanks so much for coming on. Thank you. You've enjoyed your time in the UK. It's been great. Good work on Sky. You back next summer? I haven't got the confirmation or the call yet, but I have a feeling maybe they'll get me back. All the feedback's been quite positive. A lot of the people that I was just going to the games with and when I'm meeting the players and the coaches, a lot of the comms team, they all just said, like Jacko, it's just like it's really nice that you're here because dad was such a big presence everywhere he went, especially in the comms box and it like in here in England.

1:18:14So yeah, if I get the opportunity, I'll definitely say yes. Are you hoping to do a similar thing in Oz? Maybe. I think so. I think we've got some talks with some of the people back there and yeah, I guess this opportunity, I don't think it's been done in cricket before. Like I know Sky's taking a risk by asking someone who's got no experience in making features before to make features, who didn't play cricket, to talk to cricketers not about cricket, if that makes sense. So, like, they took a risk and I think it worked, like a lot of the feedback people have seen. They're good. It ticks the boxes.

1:18:47They're good. Yeah. Just be yourself. Well, I've been asking people for feedback and advice and they've all gone, just be yourself. I've gone all professional advice. And one person gave me advice, nighty, and he said, just don't cross your arms. He said, that's the only thing. It's the only bit of advice I got from someone this whole time. So I'm very open to advice. You said you're finished. It's the only bit of advice I got, but if you guys have advice, I'm very open to it.

1:19:11Phil Tufnell: The instant sack. So Ryan Henderson, who's the boss at Sky, he has one thing for any commentator. It's a sackable offence. If a wicket falls, and there it is. Do never, ever say that. And there it is. And he goes, there's what? Yeah. You cannot say it. And there it is. And that's like when you're doing an intro too and saying, and here we are. Yes. Oh, the white up. There's a few tips Dad taught me about commentary. I wasn't doing commentary, but he got these tips from Kerry Packer when he started the World Wide Sports back in like the early 90s. Yeah. And he said to Dad, the three things with commentary that you want to try and do is the first thing is tell me why it's happening, not what's happening, because I can see what's happening.

1:19:57I can see that person's bowling, that person's batting, that's the field. So don't tell me what's happening. Tell me why. Describe the feeling of what it's like being out there. So the atmosphere, what it's like being out in the field for 10 hours in the heat or, you know, when you're batting and you've just come in opening to facing a bowler. Tell me how it feels to be out there because a lot of these players or the people watching are never going to be able to experience that. They're never going to walk out onto the field. They're never going to be a player. So tell me what that feels like.

1:20:26And then the third thing was create a debate, create conversation. So say something that might be a little bit naughty or incorrect or opinionated or spiky or divisive, but just do it. Create a debate so people at home and when they're watching and listening they go, no, Dad, you've got no idea what you're talking about. What are you doing, mate? And even if Dad knew he was wrong sometimes, at least create that debate. Never keep saying, oh, I agree. No, I don't agree. Now have a dynamic.

1:20:55Sir Alastair Cook: Another good bit of advice, turn up. Right on that. Well done. Brilliant, Jacko. Thank you. Thank you, Tuff.

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