Joe Hart: Bowling to Harry Kane, Pep Guardiola & Cricket Before Football | Stick to Cricket EP 19

0:00Before we get started, I'd like to thank our partners Betfair. Hit subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Enjoy the show. Morning, everybody. I'm a bit better than that. Good morning, everybody. Morning. Yeah. How are you doing, Bumble? Yeah, I'm doing great, thanks. Yeah. Here he is first in, Bumble. Yeah. How are we? I'm very average. Yeah, good. Why only average? No, as good as average. Good as average? Average is good. Morning. Morning. Morning. Morning. They weren't very enthusiastic to me when I said... What's happening, late night? Yeah. Come on, boys. Late night, come on. Sharpen up. Let's jazz it up.

0:45I could do with a... Hello, mate. How are you doing? You good? There he is, Kieran. All the way back from Rome. I enjoyed Rome, had a good time. Have you seen him with Kino? What in Rome? A little bit of culture. A little bit of culture, a few espressos. Have a look at him, here. Why were they in Rome? How come we don't get to go to Rome? Because you're all going to Australia. All right, true, true. That's all right, isn't it? Did you go to the Trivy Fountain? Look at him here. Did you go to the Trivy Fountain? No, do you know what, we saw a hotel. It was a very nice hotel, though. Look here. He's wearing the same T-shirt.

1:21Roy looks thrilled again. Oh, there he is. Anki on the head. You've got the same shirt on? No, I've not got the same shirt on. What's that shirt he's got on, Keen? Did you go to Maradona? Maradona. Phil, what shirt do you want us to promote this book on? Oh, lovely, yes, yes. This show or the next or the next? Everyone. Oh, Mike, you've got... Oh, it's all right? You've got something on your... Have you cut yourself... Yeah, I've got myself shaving. Oh, shit, that's a laceration. Yeah, yeah, I got a bit aggressive with myself last week, slightly. Oh, yeah, no, thanks very much for that, Mike. Good, OK.

1:54Of course. Is this a new one? Yeah. Tough as Ash's Heroes, right? Yeah. What number book is this? Can I just say, of all the people that he's put on the front, we don't make it. No, no, no, you're both... We don't make it. No, no, no, no. Sorry, can we... You're in it, Mike. Or on the back. You've got Murph Hughes. Mike, Mike, you're in it. Sir Alistair. We're not on the front, Phil. Sir Alistair, you're in it. You've got Mitchell Johnson on the front. Bumble, you and me didn't make it, mate. Sorry, we're not in. We're not in. Can I just... That's your... He's too teared. That's your 11th book.

2:27Yes. Yeah Are you not one of the best I'm not King Neid Blyton Do you feel that Do you feel you've gone over the top With the books now No no it's brilliant It's lovely Great fun What's the best chapter What's the best chapter I can't remember They're all good Who wrote it with you Peter Taylor No John Woodhouse Woody Woody yeah Nice shirt you've got on the front Should I know him Should I know him Yeah, well, he might. Any pictures? I don't think there is any pictures in this one. They usually have a few. He's in cricket, is he in cricket? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He does all my books now. Oh, good luck.

3:06Yeah, no, it's good. It's like a love letter to the ashes. It's Robert Banana. Right. You know, the crowd. The pig made it. The pigs made it. Well, there's a chapter on the pig. Yeah, the little pig who got let in. Eddie Emmings and Beefy. Talking about Beefy. Oh, I know how you're going with this. Oh, my God. I've just been to Valderrama with Beefy and Andy Lloyd. Do you remember, Andy? Billy Foster was there, the caddy. Billy Foster, caddy, Paul Allert. Three days. Day one, Beefy turns his buggy over whilst he's in it. He turns it over. He rolls it? He rolls the buggy. Rolls the buggy. Is he all right?

3:43Well, just on a hill, him and Tim Bostock, chief exec up at Durham, roll the buggy. So me and Rooster, Roberts. Yes. Physio. Yeah. Bostock climbs out and there's no way Beefy's climbing out of this. So we're to lift the buggy back up with Beefy in it. He's bust two ribs, lacerated his arm, bleeding profusely from his hand. So Rooster's got his kit and so he carries on playing. Does he? Well, with two broken ribs. Next night, yeah, all right. It's what I do. Next night, we go to this classy restaurant and he gets on the moogar and he got really thirsty on that Moogawa. He got really thirsty and stood up and promptly fell over straight onto his nose.

4:27Oh, no! Bust his nose and cut his nose down here. Blood everywhere in this restaurant. They got him back up and then he slipped on the blood and went down again. They put him to bed. They got him in a car and got him to bed. His last words before he went to sleep. and he went, don't tell Kath. He's absolutely black and blue. Which was the title of his book. That was it. Yeah, all subjective books. Don't tell Kath. He's done his hand, he's done his ribs, he's smashed his face, he's done his nose. And had a great time. He's said, oh, what a week. What a week. And he's launched a podcast himself, hasn't he?

5:10Has he? With Bill Bowman. Bill Bowman, yeah. Oh, with Billy Bowman. Well, they were on... On balls? They were on... Question of sport. That's right, yeah. Yeah, I've been there this morning to be. Been there this morning to be. On Question of Sport? Well, no, talking about the reunion tour we're doing, so that was an early start this morning. Which is a reunion tour? Sue, Matt and Phil reunion tour. What, you're back? Yeah, we're back. What, on TV? No, no, no, theatres. All right, you're doing a tour? Yeah. Not allowing you back to telly. Hello, Newcastle. Was that the same tour as you did last year, which I came and did shows that were different?

5:45No, same one. Yes, you were there, Sir Aniston. Yeah. Yeah, just continue same so you do every year well now with that yeah, we've got a couple Yeah, I've done a couple you Just like let's be honest right every year you do a book yeah around this time. Yeah, yeah Absolutely every year you do a question of sport. So yeah, yeah back by popular demand. Yeah every year you go on a theatre So you do that I can sit with that good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah consistent Well, there you go. He's more money than Jack Russell. Yeah What did you do with it all? Huh? What did you do with it all? Spend it. What on?

6:18Do you remember that line, which we don't mention really, that Stanford line, Alan Stanford, when a million pound winner takes all, do you remember that? Do you remember that there was interviews with all the West Indies players, what are you going to do with your money? I'm going to look after my family, I'm going to buy a little place in whatever. Chris Gale. And Chris, what are you going to do with the money? Spend it.

6:44How was your golf, Dave? A lot of overhanging trees. Yeah, they're like overhang. It's hard. I struggled a bit, really, to be honest. Three games in three days is a bit much for me, really. Oh, yeah. We got the same... Well, I was just thinking, how old are you, Bumble? 78. I dress the same as a 78-year-old. Well, no, I think that Bumble's looking very smart. He's looking very smart. I could carry it off. Can't I? It's not, is it? It is. It's not. Jake what color is that? Camel? Camel? I need to nick one of yours. I need to nick one of yours again. A bit tiny. No, I like it. Well well dressed Brumble, you look very smart.

7:24I'm alright, I'm fine. Who's this boy? He's a good shot. Who's this boy? Alright hearty, who's this boy? Hey, how you keeping? Nice to see you. Glad him. Meet the crew. How are you Joe? Nice to see you boy. Nice to see you. How are you alright? Hello Joe, how are you? Good to see you. Good man. Yeah, once you mic'd up Joe, we like to trial our guests out with a bit of batting. Yeah. Now I've heard it, I've heard it, he was decent. Worcester, are we above where you must? What number did you go in with the bat Joe? I was trying to be Flintoff-esque, whack it and ball fast. Right, all rounder. Yeah.

7:58What, bat six, seven? Yeah. If I could. Obviously the higher the level, the further I got shot. Yeah, who's been our best batter so far? Burgess? Ryan Lara won't bat. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I forgot about Brian. Oh, and Geoffrey boycott, yeah. Not bad. Not bad. Yeah, we've had... Of the other guests, Burgess was all right, wasn't he? Burgess? Come on, Burgess. I'll get your back. Come on, are you throwing them, mate? Yeah, I'll get a few down to him. Let's have a look. You'll be all right, Geoff. I'll come from over the top a bit. You've got to face it, Joe. You've just got to face the delivery.

8:29Give it a whack. Hit it. Oh, lovely. We'll have a look. Just a little bit. Just a little bit. That's it. Yeah. Oh, shit! That's the way! He's thinking he cleaned me up. Oh, no. He's so special. I'm excited. There you go. Right, Joe, there's your chair. Yeah. Are you all right sitting, Dan? I know you like sitting on the floor, don't you? Yeah, I do like sitting on the floor. You know that? I'm all right. I did on the floor. Yeah. Yeah. I always have any... I was a keeper. Especially when I've got to be somewhere ages, I'll plonk on... What? You mean you were a keeper? I was a keeper. Oh, man, big back.

9:05He's not heard that, has he? Listen, the cat was a cat. I should have stayed that. You panicked a bit. Sorry, mate, I shouldn't have done that. No, that's all right. I'll just tipped it round. You were a goal. I thought you were a left-back. Well, I started off left-back, left-half. Assassin, left-half. I just can't imagine you playing football. Yeah. Running. That's the standard thing, though. It's striker. Can I be a midfielder? No. Defender? No. Right, you're goalie. Right, OK. What gloves do you have? I had Earl's Sport. The Earl's Sport. The Earl's Sport. Sandeco when I was young. Yeah, yeah.

9:39When we used to play football before the game, we used to play football all the time. When I were involved, we had so... They really fancied themselves, didn't they? Ramps. Ramps, right? But he'd get stuck in. You're telling them no tackling and that, they'll ramps and get the red mist and give it a bit. And Thorpe was a lovely player. Thorpe, yeah. And we'd all play with the cricket boots on there. Yeah, that's quite dangerous. Slicing holes with each other in there. Atherton played in his school shorts. He still had his school shorts, Atherton. The iPad. That was standard warm-up, isn't it? Football.

10:13Talk about slicing. I did one of those veins or something, popped out like an archery in a football. Did you? We were headingly, went for a header, someone kicked back, got the spike underneath that bone there. It was literally pumping out. God's honest, like walking up to headingly, headingly, the new change room is up the back. Literally blood all up the wall. Physio proper panic. I mean, is it stopped now? Yeah, they stopped it. They still play a bit, don't they? They'll keep me up, he's head. Oh, they play, what they call, pig. You know the flick on the forehead? I wouldn't have that. No, that's rubbish.

10:49Yeah, someone comes and flicks me in the morning. Really childish. Someone flicks me off in the morning, I'm not happy. Why not? Are you sure? So is that right, match of the day on a Saturday, Sunday, whenever you do it, you sit on the floor all day? Yeah, it took me a while to do it because obviously you have to kind of act like you're normal for a bit And then everyone gets your personality because I did it in the summer when when I started Straight away in the Euros doing the radio. We were in like compact rooms I just plunked on the floor because it was just where I'm at my comfiest and where I can relax Nothing to do with you got a bad back a little bit But just from young if I was at home and we had like sofas in the front room watching TV I'd always go on the floor and I still do it to this day.

11:31Yeah, sit on the floor Do you want us all to get on the floor? I would do, mate, but it feels like it's all set up and it's a bit too pretty. Cross leg? No, no. I change. I shift and I do it in the car as well. Have you done stick to football? No. Right, I was going to say. No. Them lads, the right game, they've been in Rome. Have they, yeah? Not in EU. No. Everywhere to go. You guys, to be fair, we are taking it to Australia. Well, there you go. We're on our... We'll be in Perth. We're on our holidays. I won't be in either of them. All right, we'll see you in Adelaide. Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney, mate.

12:07So you're going to Adelaide because you like going up into the hills, don't you? No. You do. You've got all them bloody vineyard trips. Oh, well, my mates have got vineyards. Meryl, Jeff Meryl. Yeah, lovely. Meryl, he gets very thirsty, does Meryl. He does indeed. He does, yeah. Before we get started, I'd like to thank our partners, Betfair. So just hit subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Enjoy the show.

12:35Jack Chantry, Joe, he said he was a better cricketer than me at the same age. I'm not surprised. Would your parents encourage you to play all sports? Yeah, I played every sport. Badminton, volleyball, table tennis. But I just loved it, you know, wouldn't change it at all. No. I walked and everyone told me I wasn't out, but I thought I was out, so I walked. Oh. I got out too. When you were out of form... Why are you pointing at me? No, no, no. He just went at you. If you really want it, you can't have harmony. Either go and have a fight or shut up. Did Pam not see your bowl? I don't think it was his game.

13:12He got a few bounces to it. He'd have got a few bounces, let me tell you that.

13:23Right, let's start the show again. Come on, yeah, we're off now. Joe, come on, you loved your cricket, didn't you? Yeah, yeah, I loved it. What, more than football when you were a kid? It just felt like a standard football was in the winter and cricket was in the summer. It just felt like the perfect non-stop remedy. It is, that was it. Yeah, it was non-negotiable. There was set seasons, it was either cricket or it was football. Now football goes right the way through. We have kids in tournaments almost every other week in the summer. It's mental. There's non-stop and they allow you a rest. They almost message you saying, we're not going to have a game.

13:55I'm thinking, what? Give them a couple of weeks. Were you allowed then? Because you'd have been in the system with football. Did they allow you to play? The rules were a bit different. I was at Shrewsbury Town, which was... I don't even know the categories or levels of what it is now, but they were... It was very relaxed. Very relaxed. And I actually didn't realise that behind the scenes, my old man was having conversations, saying, look, you need to let him play. So I just presumed it was normal to let me play. And it was only when I moved into Manchester and got to be around people who were from the city, if you like, who were like, well, you can't play for your school football or cricket or rugby.

14:30You can't do this, you can't do that. And I just kind of thought you could kind of do what you wanted as long as I was available to play for them when they needed me. So I was very free. Yeah. That was good. And your cricket, Worcester? Yeah. Yeah, all-rounder? Yeah. Played with Moen Alley? I did, yeah. Oh, my. Yeah, I played against him a lot. He played for Warwickshire. Yeah, he did. Of course he did. Well, he was a fast bowler. No. Yeah, no. No, he was quick. He was chirpy. He was a proper cheeky chap. He was a real good entertaining guy to be around. I'm not saying he's not now, but obviously you see him now.

15:09He's a very organised, very responsible guy. But no, he wasn't always like that. Any others at that time? Who did I play? I played against Ideal Rashid because I played in the Bunbury tournaments. Where was your Bunbury Festival? I played two I played the year up Where would I play? Angbridge Oundel Mine was Oundel That was one Oundel Mine was Ampleforth Mine was Oundel Mine was Oundel You played Ampleforth? Ampleforth I'm probably about a mile from Ampleforth We had pre-season there one year Ampleforth David Byers the skipper took us up there There's big schools Four o 'clock in the morning he got us up Catholic College and the headmaster just retired opened the batting for Warwickshire for years Robin Dyer R I H B Dyer on the hill isn't it yeah yeah yeah yeah Jack Chantry Joe he said I was gonna mention Jack yeah Jack said he was a better cricketer than me at the same age I'm not if you want serious though Jack's a great a great message to any kid out there Jack like wasn't a very good cricket at all is I don't know if you know his dad is his dad was a good cricketer and Jack and his older brother Adam was a good player Jack was always decent and then he just kicked on and you know I don't have a brilliant career in terms of what he was it's unbelievable action yeah you'd never have an action like yeah I love that he's on this stage though because that's credit to him because honestly he would you know he played for the county Shropshire but he wasn't playing for any other level he was fun to me when he was playing at Worcester yeah sky we were covering much yeah yeah come in you know that actually And he'd come in and he said, before you start, I'm not bowling quick today.

16:54He's umpiring now. He's doing well. Doing really well. Well, he said if you'd wanted to, you could have been a cricketer. That's like in the pub, isn't it? If I had another bad knee, I'd be a footballer. I was getting opportunities. When I look back now, I can't believe it. I was in the Worcester Academy and I played for the Twos when I was 14. Do you know it was... It was in Twos? Who would have been in that team? The wicket-keeper was the big character. Bumpy Roach. Yes, he was the big character. But do you know who was pushing me? Otis Gibson. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was the Midlands coach and he just saw something in me.

17:33When you're a kid, you don't realise, do you? You just presume everyone's doing things for you and you're the only person in the world. But he made a lot of effort with me. Tried to change my action. Good man. He was awesome. Seam up, bit of swing, bit of nip? So I was left arm. Oh! Mitchell Johnson. Yeah, so I was left arm and I was quite big and strong, but I used to splay my right foot dangerously. The more I look at it now. Yeah, I overstretched. That was one thing he got me like, just trying to bowl through, get side on. Because I was just raw and just wanted to bowl quick, I didn't realise there was such thing as an action.

18:09How quick was quick? I was always of a decent level of my age, you know. I would have been accepted as being quick. You know which other left arm has splayed his front foot? Who? Was he Macram? And he ripped it. Did he ever? But they were worried about injury and stuff like that. I've always touched wood, it's been all right. His injury would always be groin. Yeah. Groin. Every time. From his dancing. They never mentioned him to me. They didn't give me a role model. They said, you've got to change it. I found it really hard. How old are you now, Joe? 38. yeah it's a good age that 38 left arm over the size of all the players you played against you remember the the one that's gone on to have the best come we mentioned mowing and you have the names that you did you knock anyone's middle stump out the ground that's now still playing no I don't think I did have to dredge but five first one bit by first yeah I got I got them at club level but I always used to um because I splayed I pushed it so I didn't really get anyone LBW.

19:11Right. At the cording, sneak off. Yeah. Yeah. That was kind of taken out the equation from your left. They were left handed. Going across. Should have come around the wicket. I know. So, playing cricket, I mean, all these kids that come, you mentioned young footballers, they get to do academy stage about eight, don't they? And they're not allowed to do anything, which is remarkable. I know. Were you, you know, would your parents encourage you to play all sports? Yeah. Like, honestly, a game you only reflect now you're a little bit older, don't you? because when you're growing up, it's just how you grew up.

19:41But they were totally free and calm to let me do what I wanted to do. And I just loved it. I'd play anything. Your old man came to the TMS board. Oh, God, he did. He loved it. Thank you for entertaining me. No, I appreciate it. He loved his sport, didn't he? Yeah. Cricket in particular. Yeah, honestly, he wasn't necessarily a student of it when he was growing up. It wasn't what he did, but you know what it's like. Socially, cricket's unreal, isn't it? I think it's a good idea. I don't quite get the angle of just sort of like, you're just football, football, football. They are probably six they start on now, don't they?

20:17I know, but... It's not even the angle, it's they're just, they're literally trying to build something that they can use. Yeah. It's not an angle, it's not better for your welfare. No. You come into our system, you either play this game and people are so obsessed and rightly so, it's a great career to have. Yeah. They just allow them to make the rules and that's why, respect to my old man, like you spent 10 minutes with him, you realised he was going to do what he wanted to do and he was like, look, Joe wants to do this and if that's a problem for you, then jog on. Yeah, I think it's a slight disadvantage though because, you know, you play different sports, you use different muscles, you get different...

20:52You're interacting, socially interaction and so on. And Fergie stopped the Neville lads, he stopped them. But a bit later though. Do you actually think cricket helped you with your football? Not with the physical... Catching. I like roaming the boundary mate. Catch you, don't catch many in goal like that. It must have done. Like I say, my school wasn't necessarily a top school, so I was having some talent. I played every sport, badminton, volleyball, table tennis. Just agility and different things. I just loved it, you know, and met different people. Wouldn't change it at all. No.

21:34Stick to Cricket is brought to you by Betfair. Bumble mentioned at the start about cricket is playing football pre-match. Now stopped. I've got a bit of a clip of you here at Tottenham. Oh, well, I love it. Have a look at this. In practice. Oh, nice runner. Oh, he's in for the bouncer. Oh, he's to Barry. On to the England skipper. Do you know what I mean? Played that well, don't he? He's good. Oh, nice. That's nice, Joe, that. Do you know what you'll love about this? Round the wicket. We had some people who'd never played. There's Eric Dier behind the stumps. We thought... This was Covid, so...

22:12We were just all caged in animals, do you know what I mean? And we just got this... He's played it well. What about the overseas lads who were in the first time? That was the funniest thing. They had no idea what was going on. We tried to explain the concept. That was the little Reguillon, Spanish lad. He's never played cricket. Reguillon, yeah, yeah, yeah. There he is doing a knee slide. So if you're asking me if I've ever got any victims, I've got Harry Kane's one of them. Honestly, before games, that was under Jose's stewardship. We just used to buy ourselves an hour. It was one of the first clubs where I actually had a group of people who liked cricket and Harry's obviously a big personality and he liked it.

22:49Matt Doherty, Irish lad, absolutely adores it. Does he? Yeah, he shovels it. On that knee slide. Did you instigate this game? We did, me and Harry did. Here comes Reggie on it. LAUGHTER That's the first Spaniard to celebrate a wiki at. LAUGHTER That should be out on the pitch, though. Entertainment. I know. How good would that be? Before the game? That was... You played in the World Cup, didn't you, in 2014? Yeah, that was... In Brazil? We went down the prison route. It was Milner. So you need a Milner or a Kane in your life, don't you, to organise things. We cut off a pool cue, you know, you can unscrew them.

23:31That was the bat, I can't remember what we used as stumps, but you know what it can be like when you're away. That cabin fever sets in. Who surprised you in that World Cup? Quality-wise. Not in the football, but we don't care about the football. We surprised us, we went out pretty quick. Anyone have a little bit of defence? Milner was very good, very good. Good wicket-keeper, actually. I used to just bowl rockets of people and he'd keep wicket. Just from the short clip we've seen, Joe, I say you've got a tendency for bowling the bouncer. Yeah. Well, you know people... It ain't good a swing, is it?

24:05No. If you can bowl it to people who aren't expecting, you can hit them. We all love that, don't we? That's a good action. Good action. I watched an England goalkeeper keeping wicket this summer. Seaman or a Grisevic? Young? How young? He would be in his 50s. I was going to say... Nigel Martin. Nigel Martin. Nairsborough. He's doing well, isn't he? Brilliant. Is he, yeah? Absolutely brilliant. And he warmed up. He did a warm-up routine before he went out stretching. That's not a nice position to be in for a long time. He's a wicket-keeper for Nairsborough. They're very successful, I think. Yeah.

24:43Really? Yeah. Nigel Martin. Yeah, he loves us. You should be able to jump about a bit. He's on our side, though. We know we talked about charity game, didn't we? Yeah. Stick to cricket charity game. He's in. Oh, he's in. He's in. You're in. He's in. I whisper that we might go and take on Piers Morgan's village. I'm ready to rumble when you need me. They'll bring a team. Well, we'll have Brian Lara, won't we? Yeah. And Ruth Lintoff. I might not get the nod then. You're in left army, you're in. He needs a bit of Rutherford bowling. Absolutely. Yeah. Alan Lamb. Alan Lamb. Gladstone Small, we've got a good team.

25:15Piers can bring who he wants. Which goalkeeper... Here we go. Headed in the 60s. Oh dear. The first-class averages. Oh, dear. The top of the first-class averages. Played for West Ham. It's too far back. Phil Park. It's only 38, Dave. I know. He should know the history of the game. West Ham and Worcestershire. I couldn't tell you. Who played right back for Shrewsbury Town in 2003? There you go. Should know the game back. Correct. Hang on. I know Shrewsbury. I know Shrewsbury. Who is he? Tows are Andy Lloyd. He's a massive strike. Who is the right back? in 2003 yeah promotion yeah should know your history Dave not Ted Hemsley Ted Hemsley might have been the father of he signs the age no gone away Gregory Ock was left back and Darren Moss was right back I'm never gonna get him but I was just trying to Jim Stanton 2018 the World Cup you miss out but you went and played club cricket is that I did yeah.

26:22Who'd you play for? Shrewsbury, my local club. Yeah? Yeah. What for the summer? No, I just played, I was gutted because I played right the way up till that tournament and then I didn't get picked for the tournament So I was kind of a bit lost. I kind of I'd kind of planned to be there I actually was feeling a bit sorry for myself. So One of them. Well my best pal. He's the he's the president of the Shrewsbury cricket club, which I grew up playing He just said, have you got any room for me? I understand that people take a lot of time out of their week. So I said, if you've got a spare slot this summer where you need someone, I'll come play.

26:58And it happened to be, it was on the quarterfinal day, so I was supporting because my heart was still with the boys there. But I got on a shoot and play cricket. Bit of a few bounces then, didn't it? He didn't let me bowl. Didn't let you bowl? What did you do, just field? I fielded and batted, yeah. Cool. You get any? I had a beautiful four and then I walked and everyone told me I wasn't out but I thought I was out so I walked Oh That might have been last when Mitchell Marsh yeah I think it was to Ashwin just walked off in a day-nighter not out he missed it by yard just walked off Yeah, just walked off.

27:36I think I've done that I think I hit it I think I hit it they appealed the umpire went to not give it I don't know, something just came out. I was like, well, I think I've hit it, so I'm going. I was gutted because I wanted to bat. Was the game during the quarterfinal? Yeah, I had to keep checking. I remember when Dele scored the header because I think I got my son to just keep me updated. And how do you deal with disappointment? You've had so much success, but the disappointment of not being picked. Yeah. How long does it take you to get over that disappointment? I think you've wrestled between, I think to be an elite top athlete, I think there needs to be two versions of you.

28:14And there's definitely two versions of me. Because in that situation, there was someone who was hurt, angry, hard to deal with. But then there's also like a human being in me, which would see the rational side of things saying, you know, it's not your moment. You've got to still be around, you know, because especially at the age that I was, I was quite important person in my family and in my in the people around me. and my mood could swing how I had young children at the time. So you've just got to get over yourself, haven't you, really? Kind of use it. There's always other opportunities out there.

28:49But a great career as well, to reflect on a fabulous career, playing for your country, which as a kid you'd always want to do. Yeah, I know. You played, what, 78, 79? 75, I got in the end. There you go. Well, that's what I mean. Like, there's a version of me that you could talk to and my face would beam. Yeah. But there's also a version who'd be fuming, you know? and say, well, I wanted more and I wanted to win. The thing I find interesting about football is, like, the manager literally almost dictates your career. Like, obviously, flying at Man City, everyone's Premier League wins, all that, suddenly Pep comes in.

29:24I just can't get my head round that. Pep not see your ball. You should have. I don't think it was his game. He'd have got a few bounces to him. He'd have got a few bounces, let me tell you that. Pep comes in and goes, do you know what, I just don't... I don't fancy his game. Round the wickets. I just don't get it. Like saying at Essex, coach comes in, you've done... Sorry, Alistair. Sorry, mate, I don't like how you bat. So you're out and then you've got to go and move everything. I just... It's literally such a... That's such a shift from when I was coaching. I would never dictate to a player that...

29:56I'm there to support the captain when I were doing it. I'm just there to support the captain. I'm not there to say, look, your grip's wrong or your back lift's wrong. If they're playing for England, I expect them to be able to grip it and pick the battle. Especially captain-wise. I think captain's close to the manager. That's a huge swing. I would agree with football. I'd have my own view that I don't agree with a captain there, but I have to say, yeah, you're right. But if you came into Essex and just said, do you know what, I don't like you. Don't fancy your style, you're out. So, how long have you been out for?

30:30Yeah, I was there. I signed in 06. Eventually, I hung on a little bit because of contractually, but he came in 10 years into my career there. And then just went, thanks a lot. I find that such a hard thing to deal with, to deal with as an elite sportsman. Stick to Cricket is brought to you by Betfair. With the Ashes coming up, England obviously go down, that's our pressure zone, the Ashes, particularly away from home. So Ben Stokes, Baz McCullum, they'll be thinking of all sorts that they can say to the players before that first game in Perth just to give them a 1 % better chance. Can you look back at your career when a manager or a captain and which manager has given a speech or said something to your team that's just given you that little bit of an edge?

31:17Good question. Really good question. Thanks, Phil. You know what? I was in such a flow in my career up until my career kind of went to a real high level of me just... I didn't really listen to anyone. I just went for it. So there was nothing in the room that could have changed how I thought. you know it could have been positive negative I was just I just absolutely adored what I was doing I felt like I was getting better and I wanted more and then it plateaued somewhat and to my surprise very much from that moment that you're talking about there and I was like desperate to get it back so I was open to all ears to open to everything you know mental coaches got someone that I worked with from a young age who I loved and I wanted to hear what they had to say I wanted to hear what my family had to say and then kind of drifted around in football for a bit and then got to celtic than my final bit and uh and the way ang spoke to me and the way andj poshtakoglu spoke before games um just really really resonated with me like i say whether it would have resonated me when i was younger and i wasn't necessarily listening to anyone i don't know but at that age when i just wanted that i wanted to have a go one last time to have a go and the way he spoke and the way he got us ready for games and the way he implemented how he wanted us to play regardless of what was going on around us, he really, really, really got inside me and he made me feel good.

32:35And what was that? Sort of like, come on? No.

32:42So, it's a little bit more than come on. Come on. You know what I'm saying, what was that? No, I've got you. It was just... You've done 10 million a year. Come on. It was more how we kind of got into the mindset of the team and how we kind of used analogies and examples of being together and being as a family and representing your family. Oh, right, yeah. Yeah, it was a little bit of thought-provoking. I'd come on, of course. Yeah, yeah. I was just going to say about... Kat will remember one of my rousing speeches. Absolutely. I said, I want you to play today, lads, like you've never played before.

33:19I want you to play well.

33:25what were your successful talks like during um ashes cricket because that was what i grew up on you know very calm mike you were very calm oh yeah um oh i mean who would have had nasser was my first captain yeah i had alex stewart for a few games he was pump the chest yeah NASA was very, very smart, very clever. I always thought, because I played a few years for England before I got the captaincy, I always thought the pressure of playing for England had got to too much. And those that were going out to represent England, you could feel that they were a little bit scared at the moment. So I thought it was the time to kind of release pressure and make sure that those going out just enjoyed playing the game and weren't scared to make mistakes, taking risks.

34:11that's what high-level sport's all about. Making sure the players knew that they could take risks and they wouldn't be penalised if they took risks. They've got to trust you to hear that because you hear that a lot, you know. You can say, look, play this way and if it goes wrong, some people you can tell they don't mean it. So you've got to really get real trust to say that. But you need players as well. As a goalkeeper, that's probably the biggest thing of the lot, isn't it? That's just in me. Whether someone told me that it's all right to make a mistake or not. Or come for a ball or decisions.

34:40that's got to be in you it's your position you're a spinner absolutely you're a top end batsman you guys think like that and I think like a goalie so you can't tell me to calm you can't tell me not to worry about things I just can't because that's my job and if I worried about things in the position that I chose to play I'd be a bumbling mess it's a bit like slip catching being a goalkeeper because you expect to save everything and then you make one mistake you take one drop catch the best slippers The best goalkeepers always make mistakes, which is how you react to it. Exactly. Whether you can just remain consistent.

35:15And that's a cringe-worthy, isn't it, when you get a commentator, oh, that's easy. There's a worse thing about that. I used to enjoy it. When I first joined Yorkshire as an 18-year-old, the skipper said, oh, can you catch? And I went, yeah, I'll be all right. So he put me in at first slip. Good God. Put me in at first slip. He said, oh, do you like being in the slips? I said, oh, I hope. Because I had Richard Richardson to my right, Richard Blakey to my left. Had a great conversation. He said, oh, you know what, do you like it? I said I absolutely adore it until the ball comes. Yeah, yeah. That's a different spot, that.

35:45But keepers in football are probably a bit similar to keepers in cricket. I mean, we all say keepers, they're all a bit mad. Yeah. You're all a bit bonkers, aren't you? You've got to think different. It's true, isn't it? Yeah, well, I think I'm sat around the football table and people's perspectives and how they work, and I think, no, we're not on the same page. Who's the oddest goalkeeper? I can think of that Bert Oswald Rico that United, that French lad? Artes. Bertolt! Bertolt? Neville Southall. What about Neville? Neville, I don't know Neville that well. Oh, my God. But... Neville, though.

36:16No, amazing keeper. But he... Fabien Bertolt! He was going to do what he wanted to do, Fabien Bertolt. He was very little, that buddy. He was good with his feet. He was a World Cup winner, wasn't he, in France? Yeah. Do you know that football, with the keepers, I guess when you grow up, it was just about your hands when you save it. Now it's become... Yeah. You've got to be brilliant with your feet. Yeah, yeah. Is the coaching clearly towards that now? Yeah. Yeah, I notice it now. You know, it was coming in towards the end of my career, but, you know, coming away from it now, and I've got a young son, and I'm just watching goalkeepers.

36:52Is he a goalkeeper? Yeah, I told him not to, mate. How old is he? He's 11. Is he tall? Is he going to be tall? Yeah, he's a big lump, yeah. How size are your hands? Yeah, he's a big lump. They're not dramatic. Not massive, are they? No, not dramatic. I didn't have a catch skipper. You should have been. I had scissor hands. These didn't work right. I was a keeper at school. And my knees went, I had to go in net. There we go. Stick to Cricket is brought to you by Betfair. Who's the best keeper? Right now? Yeah, who's the best keeper right now? I'm just asking who the best keeper is now? I... Premier League?

37:29Anyone. Anyone. I love the kind of Courtois, Donnarumma goalkeepers of the world. I thought Edison was incredible and I loved watching him because I thought I just couldn't do that, what you're doing. His quality at the back. But yeah, a Courtois, Donnarumma, that kind of big, dominant presence. I always thought, I don't know if you thought this about a wicketkeeper, I'd imagine it would be similar as captains. I used to love goalkeepers that you just didn't worry about. You know, the team, it wasn't even a conversation. It was like, Joe's playing in goal or Gigi's playing in goal and then everyone else just got on with it.

38:06That kind of presence and that kind of stature in a team, I think, is priceless. And wicketkeeper must be similar, you know, so, so important. You could tell at United that Smichel had the confidence of everybody around him, but it looks like they used to belt off at each other as well from time to time. I think that's just sport, right? If you don't get that environment, especially with Schmeichel, he was with people he'd been with a long time, so you can have real conversations, you can have it out on the pitch. They'd fall out, wouldn't they? They'd fall out and didn't speak. You've got to.

38:36If you really want it, you can't have harmony all the time. No. If you're really going to push each other, it needs to be on the edge. You need a good coach who can just say, look, there's a time and a place or that's enough. You need good players who can say, either go and have a fight or shut up. Oh, yeah. Have you seen a few scraps? Loads. How can you not know? Football. Who's the hardest then? Who's the hardest in talking football from when you were playing? There's some wonderful stuff on YouTube. Dean Windass about Robbie Savvy. That is hilarious. Well, see, those days were slightly out.

39:17Especially our Man City time. Because we had such a big... We were like Chelsea's squad now. They bought loads and there were some people who were in favour and out of favour, great players, paid lots of money, but you had to train together and every now and again it would just boil over. Who was the best scrap that you saw? There was a few good ones. No, I wouldn't clickbait the players, but there were some good rumbles. You were talking about a little bit of form there as a goalkeeper. When you were out of form... Why are you pointing at me? No, no, no. When batters were out of form, you went in the nets, didn't you?

40:02When I wasn't bowling so well, you bowled. As a keeper, what, do you just get some bloke whacking balls at you? Yeah, you go through it, mate. You know, it's amazing how you can... I don't know how your careers progress, but I felt like I can only speak personally. At one point, there was nothing I couldn't do. And it wasn't a thought process to it. I'd roll out of bed 10 minutes before training, be a brilliant goalkeeper. Then all of a sudden start to over-complicate it. Then I'm like, do I need to do more training, less training, do I need to work on my feet? Do I need to... And you just start confusing yourself.

40:33But you always have a good goalkeeper coach. I've always worked with them and worked closely. And you probably hear about the team would train here and you'd go off and do your mad stuff. that's that was very much my career but you need you need an understanding and relationship yeah just just try and work not mentally yeah did you select your goalkeeping coach you was it just somebody who was there no it was often part of the part of the coaching staff a manager would have a first-team coach that he'd like to have a goalkeeper coach for example especially the more and foreign coaches were bought in they'd bring teams in yeah so you just work with what you've got.

41:10Joe, of all the teams you've played with and all the players, name your best back four. If you now pick your back four from all your career, is it a back four or are we going back five? No, we'll go four. Oh, OK. Pick your back four. Can I include England? Anyone that you've played with, you've got to pick your best back four. Oh, man. That you can have that, you said you can have honest conversations with. Yeah.

41:37I've played with such good players. JT? Yeah. I think it'll be JT and company in the middle. Oh, Vincent. Oh, Man Mountain. Oh, Burnley FC. Burnley manager. Yeah, of course it was. Like Munich. It'd be JT and company. It would probably be... Yeah, but I just... Do you ever feel bad doing stuff? Like, now this is a modern thing, right? And you feel like you're shunning people. No, no, no. But you do, you can't help it, right? You're the manager now, Jay. You've got to pick your back four. That's why I'm not a manager. I'd go Ashley Cole. Who are you thinking it could have been? Gail Clichy. Kolarov was a top left back.

42:19But it would probably be Kyle Walker. Pace. Quick. Yeah, and a superb player. Burnley FC. I think that's pretty impenetrable. That's a good back four. A good back four. Yeah, that is a strong back four. He's still quick, isn't he? Kyle Walker has still got plenty. Still playing, isn't he? Yeah, he's Burnley as well. Burnley. Burnley. Burnley, Burnley. Oh, Burnley.

42:44Stick to Cricket is brought to you by Betfair. Right, heated exchange, Joe. Right. So today's heated exchange brought to you by Betfair. We are roping Joe in and stating. Right, you've got to debate this or heated exchange it. Right, OK. Being a wicketkeeper for England in the ashes is more highly pressured than being an England goalkeeper at a World Cup? Discuss. That's like what I just talked about there. It's not that one is and one isn't. They're both high-pressure moments, right? But it depends. It's all relative to your world. I'd say globally to be an England goalkeeper over an Ashes wicketkeeper in the world that I live in would be higher pressure.

43:31But that's not taking anything away from the cricket world of being a wicketkeeper because I presume, I know our eyes are on it, but I presume the world's eyes are on the Ashes as well, aren't they? They all... Yeah. I think goalkeepers got a little bit more pressure. I don't think in Argentina they're watching the Ashes. No. They're not bothering Brazil. If you drop one behind the stamps, you've always got another chance of him nicking it off, you know what I mean? If you make a bit of mess... Well, like that lad at Moritz, when he dropped Brian Lara and he said, I bet he goes on to get 100, he got 500 he did Scotty he'll go on and get 100 he got 500 I think the goalkeeper is but it's the cricket one for 90 minutes that's unbelievably hard work in it cricket for 25 days if it gets tight that's a long time isn't it I guess a wicketkeeper if you drop a ball early on day one at Perth you've got the whole of that first test you're going to play the next test What's it like out there like the other side of the world and when they're crowd they look they look quite intense Because I've been on this side of the fence when when we've been at home Yeah, and like I think it depends how well you're going.

44:47Yeah, I've done a few tools there one good tour three bad ones Yeah, yeah, it's dark place when you're losing five nil But it's an amazing place if you win is a turn on this they turn on that Yeah, they will is it worse when it's tight and they're coming at you and they're feeling like they need to get or is it worse when you're getting spanked that badly that they don't even bother with you. And they don't even bother. They do bother. Do they? Keep going. Oh, yeah. They are. Rub it in. Rub it in, don't they? They rub it in. Oh, so rather than aggressive, it's just patronising. What about Mike Crossley?

45:17Have you seen that Mike Crossley on, I think it's John Parkin's podcast? Right, OK. About Ryan Clough. Yeah, I do like the Ryan Clough story. Yeah, he's funny. I don't care. Have you seen it, Nick? I really don't care. Come on, Jigsaw. Yeah, yeah. Come on, Jigsaw, well done, Jigsaw. Why do you keep calling me Jigsaw? When crosses come over, you tend to go to pieces. Called him shit house, didn't he? Yeah, he called him shit house. Does the crowd put you off? Or are you just completely focused? No, I hear everything. Yeah, because they're close, aren't they? Like I say... Oh, gosh. Yeah, yeah. And then, that's why the one about when you're losing that badly, when they don't bother, you're thinking, oh, no, they're not even bothered.

46:00So you basically have 45 minutes of hell, don't you? Because whichever end, you're like, oh, God, that one. Would you rather get out of the way the first half or the second half? You've got to love it. Like I say, so that's why different, that's got to turn you on. That's a part of it, isn't it? Yeah, because if you don't like it, it's just not the position for you. You can't go out there. Do you ever engage with them? Yeah, loads of times. How can you not, right? How can you not? Yeah, well, no. Do you say it with a smile on your face? Yeah, always. And to be honest, some people lose their mind.

46:33Yeah, they do. But I'm always under the impression, I'll always point to that, you know, some geography teacher's losing his head at you, threatening to kill you. And you're like, mate, go for it. There's absolutely nothing stopping you. Or often it's really bad, someone will be with their son or their children and they'll be... Ooh, swearing. Horrenda. And I'll say to the people around them, I'm like, are you OK with this person behaving like this? And everyone just kind of looks away like that. And then the person either doubles down or goes, you know what, you're spot on, sorry. I shouldn't.

47:03Sorry, kids. That's fucking ridiculous. Poor geography teacher. Yeah, I know, yeah. I feel bad singing. We'll finish with a few community questions. Right, OK. Number one is, if you could go back tomorrow and play one last game, which would you choose? Playing football for England at Wembley one last time, or you get a chance to play for England at Lords in a test match? England at Lords test match. I've done the other one. That'd be a good shout. Would you come from the pavilion with the slope or would you come from nursery? Whichever way one of you guys... Nursery. No, nursery. I would nursery away down the slope.

47:40No, I'm going the other end round the wicket. I'd let the experts tell me I just bowl. Who was the favourite captain you played under? Who was the favourite captain? Jamie Tolley at Shrewsbury Town. oh yeah they're rubbish at the minute shrewsbury right down there shrewsbury and we'll finish with this one because i know dave will get involved in this what's the better market town shrewsbury or york shrewsbury all the way mate of course it is shrewsbury market market town yeah you can't call york a market on this list unbelievable Well, that's why... It's one of the greatest cities in the world.

48:28It's a market town on this question. It's a walled city. It's got a cathedral. It's got a cathedral. I need it. It's not got a cathedral. It's got a minster. It's a dud. It's come from Steve in Beckenham. Whoever Steve in Beckenham is. Yeah, the market town. The market town, Steve in Beckenham. York? Good God. Yeah. Steve's got that wrong. It's in the Doomsday Book. It is. It is. The River Ouse runs straight through the middle of the city Lendl Bridge Good God Got it wrong, Gannis, Steve, yeah Steve, yeah, sorry Have a look at yourself, Steve Have a look at yourself, it's not a market sound Joe, brilliant, thanks for coming on Thanks for having me Fantastic I have to say on Matt today, it's great to have a goalkeeper Absolutely You're actually teaching me stuff about goalkeeping that I knew F more about Appreciate it, that's the plan You can always come and ask me, Mark Brilliant Nice one, gents.

49:21Really enjoyed that. Thanks for having me. I love what you're doing, guys. Brilliant. Brilliant. It's a lot of fun.

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