Ravi Shastri: Top 5 Indian Cricketers, Archer’s Return & Pakistan Rivalry | Stick to Cricket EP 5

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2:21Michael Vaughan: Morning all, morning everybody.

2:23Phil Tufnell: Here we go. I'm on strict... Oh, they're not, they're still posh things. No, they're lovely now. Yeah, chocolate. I'm on strict instructions from my missus. What? Just stop me, if you... Don't keep interrupting Alistair Cupp, you keep interrupting him. I said, I never do. She says, you keep interrupting, and he's a sir, and you're nothing. She's got a point, though, hasn't she? Very, very true. Sir Alistair, Sir Alistair. When he starts, you go leave him, just leave him.

2:52Michael Vaughan: Ravi, they're Tufnel's bats on the ball. They'll be dancing around with them. Yeah, I've been the batting coach. It was spot on last week. What's that? Batting demo. There you go. I've nailed it every time. Just because I couldn't do it. Got you. I didn't know what I should be doing.

3:11Phil Tufnell: White. You want a red wine, Ravi? Red or white? LAUGHTER

3:18Michael Vaughan: What's your favourite red, Raph? What's your favourite? A good Malbec. Oh, a good Malbec, yeah. I love a bit of that. That's a good... Bumble, you've turned up today looking like a... Bust a blood vessel.

3:36Phil Tufnell: This is... He should have it. These are older age in North Yorkshire. Humphrey and Tilly. Humphrey and Tilly, Thursk in the marketplace. Yeah. Gallacies they call them Gallacies braces the braces and call them galaxies what what the farmers have a mean life I mean the farmer what your trousers you

3:52Michael Vaughan: wear what you got on jeans jeans oh so you wear them with jeans yeah

3:55Phil Tufnell: we're a gene they replaced they replaced the belt jeans and a t-shirt don't need a belt why they call galaxies no is it what's the why don't keep interrupting What's wrong with the belt? No, this is the look, isn't it? North Yorkshire Firmers look. I told you I've got a small hole. You look like a clown. What do you mean I look like a clown?

4:22Michael Vaughan: What's the brand you're wearing? I see you've logoed up. What's that? Shoffley. Shoffley? Yeah. The golfer? The golfer.

4:30Phil Tufnell: Shoffley. Yeah. Do you know who he looks like? No, a presenter. CNN, many, many years. Larry King. Larry King, yeah. That's it. Or Bobby Ball.

4:43Michael Vaughan: Cannon and Ball. They've been about this week, they went to see the King, went to see Man United. He's better than netting, isn't he? England lads have been golfing. How to get back winning, go and see Man United.

5:00Phil Tufnell: Are they mainly Man United fans? A lot of them. You're right. Who's the main one? Who's the one that's... A lot of them, but I don't know who Kullip supports, but he's a football buff. Yeah, he likes his football. Absolutely.

5:15Michael Vaughan: Ooh, Yadav. Oh. I'll tell you what will be a bit of fun quickly. Let's go through an XI, football, and the Indian players are playing what position? Goalkeeper. Who's goalie? Goalie for India. Well, playing football. Rishabh Pan. Rishabh Pan. Rishabh, he's too small, isn't he?

5:29Phil Tufnell: Too little, he can't touch the crossbar. Bummer, isn't he?

5:32Michael Vaughan: Bummer, he's got long arms. My bummer, isn't that? Yeah. Long arms, it'd be. Sorry, bummer in there. Right back. Right back. But he's on his knee. Otherwise, he would have been good. This is coming down the right, yeah? All right, he's right back on the overlap. I think Rishabh left back. He's a bit like Luke Shaw, isn't he? Yeah, Luke Shaw, Rishabh, Rishabh.

5:52Phil Tufnell: Rishabh, punk. Yeah, a little stocky. Stocky. Yeah.

5:57Michael Vaughan: What are we going to go? 4-4-2. 4-4-2. Giggsie, Jadeja. Oh, yeah. Left wing. Yeah, we need two centre-halves. Two centre-halves. Bahamur Siraj. Bahamur Siraj. Come near me and I'll keep you straight over that.

6:11Phil Tufnell: Come anywhere near me. That's it, Chris. You're going right over that. That's it. That's it.

6:14Michael Vaughan: That's our two centre-halves. We need two centre-halves. We need two centre-halves and a right mid. Yeah. Olding midfielder. Kael Rahul. Like Michael Carrick. Oh, yeah, lovely. Technician. Yeah, yeah. Ranser guy. Seize everything early. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. We need one more midfield. We need a number 10.

6:29Phil Tufnell: Jaiswell's got to be a little annoying bugger, haven't you? He's like Messi, him. Messi, he's like a jazwell, a bit like Messi. He's up front. Just in the hall. Where's Shubman? I don't know. Shubman, correct me. Shubman Gill. He might be centre-mid. Why are you centre-forward like that de Lapp? De Lapp, you can't get near him. Rory de Lapp? Rory, with the big throw? Rory de Lapp? Liam, Liam. Liam de Lapp, he's Shubman Gill. Right, really. Like Michael Newell. Right, we need a Beckham-Star right midfielder to whip him in. Who can cross it, whip him in. And Beckham style, who can whip him in...

7:03Phil Tufnell: Who can whip him in. Bended him. What's he called, the coach? What about Caronhead? Him that fell over and banged his head, the coach. Gambier. Gambier. He's left... He's left foot. They're coming off the right to the left foot, don't they, these days? Mornie Morkel. Mornie Morkel. He's the worst I've ever seen, footballer. Worst ever? I've never seen one bad as him. What's they called? Toblerone foot. Yeah, Toblerone foot. Diamond head.

7:30Michael Vaughan: Right, that's our 11. We just need that right midfielder so Karen Neri can play on the right. Cookie, what have you been up to? What have I been doing? I've been playing in this Legends League. Oh, how did it go? You've created a stir, dude. I have. I've been... What have you got, Keir? I've got a little clip. What have you got? Well, do you know a couple of things about this? What have you got there? Firstly... How did you get on? Well, firstly, I was thinking if I don't get any runs here, You three are going to hammer me. So I didn't get any runs, so I've been waiting for this. And I... Did you run a seat?

8:04Not really, no. Yeah, yeah, I'll have a look, yeah.

8:07Michael Vaughan: Let me go back to the start, a bit. Do you have to? Did it last long, Sir Alistair? Well, I think in the first game, I got seven... You got the shakes, man. Oh, yeah. Oh! Oh, the middle! Down the ground! Down the ground! I got seven. Hold on a minute, cookie, cookie. Have a word. Get the bat, Phil. Get the bat, Phil. Get the bat. I got seven. Wait, while you get the bat, I got seven or 15. You've got it all wrong. I mean, left hand is difficult, but you see, you've got to keep the eyes aligned. And what you've done is just that. Phil, it was only a week or so ago. Phil, it was only... You know what?

8:46Michael Vaughan: Phil. Hey, wait, wait, wait. Weren't you saying something about someone else's head position? I was tempted to do that. He was saying, you've gone and done the same. What you got wrong you see is the bat is the bat alignment you see you've gone from there to there How are you hitting that surround? Well, should he have done Phil? Well, you gotta be

9:08A couple of things right I was seven or 14 balls that stage seven of the flying star I did suggest we should do masters T20 masters T20. Oh, you've got anyway Anyway, seven or 14 balls, I thought I needed to get on with it. Really? I thought he was going to bowl a slower ball, so I set myself for a slower ball. Right. Because he bowled a back of that slower ball. I can't remember his name. What was his name? You got his name, Skip, haven't you? Who bowled me, who made me...

9:39Michael Vaughan: I think it's Ruben Reyes. I don't know. I think it's... Ruben Reyes, yeah. He's still playing. Chelsea, isn't he? He's still playing. Anyway, so I couldn't hit it. I could not hit that first game and he was all over. Backhand slow ball, second ball. That's tricky. Anyway, never seen such a like. So, yeah, I was a bit sluggish in that first game. And when he knocked my middle start-ups... I played against Australia as well. And how did you go in that game? I hit a boundary. So I was 10 or 10. So you played two games? I got out for 10. Yeah, out for 10. So I was happy. That was a bit fairer contest, like going and playing against people who had actually genuinely retired rather than still tearing up.

10:1733, the guy that bowled you. So, yeah, I was a bit humiliated first time. One more game tomorrow. All right, I was going to say, when's your next game? One more game against West Indies tomorrow. Oh, West Indies. Have they rung you up and said... Well, do you know, Moe and Ali's coming back. My kids are coming tomorrow. Oh, no. Please pick me. So there's a genuine threat to your position in the team? There's a very good chance that I'm getting the old... Tintin. So what's your team then? So our team has been myself and Colonel Mustard. He got brilliant 50. Vince, he's come in and played. he actually cost us the game on that first one because he bowled the last over because Siddy was...

10:54Vincy bowled? Well, he bowled... So we had five bowlers in the first game. And Owen, the skipper, I was like, let me bowl. Let me bowl a few... Like, one in the middle because Sid's... Like, Ryan's side bottom didn't feel great so he bowled three up front and then he was done. So we needed to find one over. And I was like, let me bowl. Like, let me bowl filthy. But Morgz... I've got a test for it at seven. I'll commentate you. And Morgz is... This is not joke cricket. I was like, OK, so I wasn't able to bowl. Then Vincy went for 20-odd in the last over. So we lost that game by ten, so I'm blaming Vinci, not the fact that I got seven or 15 balls at the top.

11:25You got them off to a solid start. Solid start. Phil Mustard, Belly played, Belly got 50, Morgz. Set a platform. Have you won? Have you won a game? No, we got a point. It rained off against Australia. We're turning up. So we're luckily off the mark. And then actually Tremlett, Chris Tremlett, Dimi Mascarenas, Meeks, Liam Plunkett, heavy bowling attack. And actually they're all fit and bowling nice. They've also had... Everyone's playing. Everyone still plays except me. Really. What do you want, Dave? Under 30s? Well, it should be over 40s. Over 40s. We've got 28-year-olds playing against us. So you play headingly, do you?

12:02I'm playing at Northampton tomorrow.

12:05Phil Tufnell: Oh, the home of cricket. What did you want? So I'm getting better, Vaughn. I'm on the upward side. I think you'll be all right tomorrow. I want one more. I don't think he's in. If he hasn't had a call, if he hasn't been taught.

12:16Michael Vaughan: Well, I think it's a good time that he's not had the call. Surely they give him the call.

12:20Phil Tufnell: The practice in this afternoon, he isn't. Well, I can't make it. Range hitting. Are you missing the range striking? Range hitting. Every time we ever did range hitting, because that came into the back end of my career, I did slide off. I couldn't be embarrassed. I couldn't get it past a 30-yard circle.

12:37Michael Vaughan: How would you have got on with his T20 malarkey, Ravi? Would you enjoy playing that one? Just go by APL standards. I've made a couple of million bucks by now. The auction, easy. He kept on the side for 10 years, made a few bob.

12:52Phil Tufnell: He would have been absolutely box office. Absolutely. I umpired a match when he played with LaMorgan at St. Ellen Swansea, which is a fan. You've played at St. Ellen Swansea?

13:03Michael Vaughan: Yes, I have. Fabulous. York's from the 15s.

13:05Phil Tufnell: Fabulous. Fabulous. And he's hitting, and he hit one onto the beach. Out of the stadium, over the road, and onto the beach. Nice. I came back with a bucket and spade. I did 80 steps, wasn't it? It might be 80 steps. Yeah, 80 steps. All the way down.

13:23Michael Vaughan: Yeah. Should we start the show? Come on. Come on. Let's start the show. Before we get started, I'd like to thank our partners, Betfair. So just hit subscribe so you don't miss an episode. Enjoy the show.

13:42Michael Vaughan: Which is the biggest rivalry? England versus Australia or India versus Pakistan? Oh, in the blue corner. Let's throw a charm up for the Greens. It's Barbara's arm. Ready to punch, ready to counterpunch.

13:58Phil Tufnell: We go. Let's get ready to rumble. He knocked him out of the way, Beefy. The front of it went, whoff, like that. And a woman fell out the back.

14:09Michael Vaughan: Just to get a little bit of power sort of thing. Or a little bit of, what blessing do I get now? Oh, you want to be careful what you touch, Rob. I feel Jadeja, if he has even 40 % of the belief of Ben, he'll win you a lot more matches because there's no doubting his talent. How many dogs have you got, Rav? Five. Yeah, yours are, what are you called? Bouncer, beamer, flipper, yorker, skipper.

14:36Michael Vaughan: Right, let's start. Ravi, thanks for joining us. Pleasure. Ravi, you've done everything in the game. Pretty much everything. You're now an agent to the stars as well. Oh, he's an agent to Virat. I'm not, we advise us to him. But India is full of cricket mad. There's people wanting to invest in the game from all quarters. So it's good times, especially when the team does well. When you win World Cups, when you win the Champions Trophy. It's good. Out of interest, I don't think people realise in the UK. I do, because obviously, and all of us do, because we come to India. I always say that cricket in India, I believe, is 10 times more powerful and popular than football in the UK.

15:21Michael Vaughan: I think it's that strong, yeah? It's also, you must see the volume of people. You know, it's 1.5 billion. So obviously, if cricket is religion, you know, it's going to be popular. But having said that, EPL is getting more and more popular in India amongst the youngsters. You know, they don't play that much. They watch it all.

15:46Phil Tufnell: So there's like tribal that you pick a team. Who's the main team in India as a Premier League? Manu. Manu. By our country miles. Still Manu. It's because of the history. It's because of the past record. though there are a lot of teams now in the Spanish League that are very popular, whether it's Real Madrid or Barcelona. In our cricket team, you've got some real fanatics there. I don't know who Kuldeep supports, but he's a football buff. Absolute buff. He can be an expert. If he's not playing these test matches inside, the topic will be football. Are Sheffield Wednesday popular? Where's that?

16:26Michael Vaughan: Sheffield Wednesday. So just sort of like, I mean, when I went there, it was just like the volume was turned up, you know what I mean? And you come back into your hotel room and then the volume gets turned down. The guys literally can't go out and get a haircut. No chance. No chance. And with social media today, with the news channels around, you've got to be in a different zone. You'll age pretty quickly if you hang in there for over a decade. it takes its toll. I think the biggest thing I find the most amazing, we thought we were under a bit of pressure when we played because it's just naturally under scrutiny.

17:07How do your players cope with that scrutiny, the pressure, the fact that, I remember Sachin walked out of the bat getting started. The noise was ridiculous and then he got out and there's stone silence and half the crowd left. I don't know how. How do they cope with that? It's, you know, You know, if Sachin set the tone, then I think the next generation was Dhoni. Yeah. He came Virat and Rohit. It's not easy. Do they talk about it? Of course they talk about it, but there's nothing you can do. There's no privacy. You're public property. You're expected to perform, come what may. COVID, no COVID, to hell with that.

17:48You've got to win. You've got to score 100. You know, and you score 100, you fail in two or three innings, or he's going through a bad patch. get him dropped. So the public memory is very short. We have 1.5 billion, but that public memory attention is that small.

18:06Phil Tufnell: Where did it all start, Ravi? I'm going back to Kapil Dev, who was one of the greatest cricketers of that year. Did he kick it all off? Because, you know, I've been around it. I would say the 83 World Cup, you're bang on, pretty much. Kapil Dev. Because the interest for the game just went through the roof. The way people saw cricketers was different. The way corporates looked at cricket as a sport was different. The bucks started coming in. Then, I think around 1992, 1993, when India opened up to foreign investors. That was my turn. That was you. That was the first one. Where you had coverage that went all over the world.

18:46You had foreign investors like the Cokes, the Pepsis, all coming into India. And then it went through the roof. Yeah. Absolutely went through the roof. The viewership, the television revenues, and then it carries on today with the IPL coming in, goes to over 200 countries of the world. So the eyeballs that cricket attracts day in, day out is massive. Now, for example, this series going on is prime time in India. It starts, it's brilliant. An England-India series is prime time India because you're four and a half hours ahead. So the game goes on until about 11 in the night. So you get the prime hours, 6 to 11, 11.30.

19:33Michael Vaughan: Ravi, we hear so much online about an Indian cricketer, what a Virat would earn or a Sachin would earn. I mean, I'm sure you don't know exactly, but what kind of numbers do these superstars in India earn? They earn a lot. They earn a lot through endorsements, for sure. and upwards of 100 crores. Which is how much? Which would say 10 million.

19:57Phil Tufnell: Wow. Yeah. 10 million pounds. I would say you just calculate 100 rupees is a pound. Yeah. So you work backwards and upwards of that because someone like an MS or a Virat or a Sachin and his pomp, they would do over 15, 20 ads. You know, and it's per day. There's no time. They could easily do more because of the amount of cricket being played. So, you know, they'll do an ad for a year and give it to us and give a day. Oh, shoot. That's all you'll get. And then you play it out as many times as you want.

20:36Michael Vaughan: He's done some ads. Aye. Ravi's done some ads. What's your best? Ravi's done some belters. I've done a few. The best one was an ad where they said, You know, we might need about eight, ten hours of your time. So I said, it was for cred. It was a card, you know, where you pay your credit card bills. It was wild. That was wild, you know. He's done, talking about ads. He's done a few. You've done one. Which one? Now you're talking about me getting off on the old clip. What about you and Freddie in the shower in 2005? Kingfisher. No, when you were in the shower. Yeah, that's it, Kingfisher. What, you were showering in Kingfisher?

21:16Michael Vaughan: Yeah, no, no. I thought it was a sign. I had to sing ooh-la-la-la-la-layo. Ooh-la-la-la-la-layo. Is that something? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was the Kingfisher tune. Yeah, that's it, yeah. Kingfisher was just getting the old pits scrubbed down.

21:27Phil Tufnell: What, with lager?

21:29Michael Vaughan: Yeah.

21:30Phil Tufnell: No, with such lager.

21:33Michael Vaughan: Kingfisher lager. Me and Freddie in the shower just... I must be able to get fun. You're not allowed lager. It's surrogate advertising, so that same company will have water. Right. Or something else.

21:46Phil Tufnell: So he can't do lager? You can't do lager, but the name of the company will be something. It always used to have that glycerin in it or something, didn't it?

21:55Michael Vaughan: It was a funny old drop when I had it. In the cast of bottles. I think it's changed now. It comes on the top now. Yeah, it's on the top. Don't have that just so when they're travelling it's hot. It used to give me a bag in it.

22:10Phil Tufnell: Three chicken booners and four cobras.

22:14Michael Vaughan: and now of course now now you mentioned sachin doni virat now it's going to be shubman yes he's the gill will be the next one there'll be the jess was there'll be and it's always somehow they like batsman yes it's a story of the world it's the story of the world you know and uh so if Shubman, I mean, the start that he's had now to his captaincy with his runs he's made, he'll be the pin-up boy for sure. At his age, he's young, fresh, you know, has the looks. Now is the time to cash in. The batters have the looks, the intelligence. Sorry? The batters have the looks, the intelligence. Yeah, you can say that.

22:59When I look at this crowd here, I thought Warnie would be up there, but when it comes to being articulate, you know, stand out. But the funniest is the... ..tionally across the table.

23:15Michael Vaughan: It's the dynamic. It's the dynamic. And what do you... And how will he... Because I don't really know a lot about Shugman Gill, really. What's his temperament? What's his sort of captaincy? What's he going to bring? He's calm. If you've already seen him, what you've seen is what you get. Oh, I saw him. It's not that calm. Yeah, you saw him finger-pointing. But with exposure, with time, I think he'll settle down.

23:43Phil Tufnell: Do you know that players don't know the laws of the game? You know the changing of the ball? It is nothing to do with how many overs have been bowled. Nothing to do with it. It could go out of shape after the first over. It's the condition of the ball. Of course. This is the condition of the ball. And as soon as it doesn't go through that ring piece, as soon as it doesn't go through there, they have to change it. The team can't say, oh, we'll keep it. No, if it doesn't go through, change the ball. And it's not the, oh, it's 10 overs, it's 20 overs. It's the condition of that ball that they're looking to replicate.

24:17You've been an umpire. Can you ask for the ball? Or if the ball comes your way, you feel it's out of shape, can you try putting it in the game? Yes.

24:24Michael Vaughan: You can. And if it doesn't go through, you change it. So that's probably what happened in the second innings for India at Lourdes. Yeah. Bummer was bowling a spell. Siraj was bowling from the end. It was doing all sorts. And then suddenly, it was doing all sorts. It was doing all sorts. Suddenly the ball was changed. Yeah. If it doesn't go through the ring, it's changed.

24:40Phil Tufnell: What happens if the team doesn't want to change it? It doesn't matter. It doesn't go through the ring. That's the point. If it doesn't go through the ring, the ball is changed. Umpire's decision. Nothing to do with anybody else. Keep your nose out of it, aren't we? It's doing all sorts.

24:51Michael Vaughan: I'm swinging it round. It's probably doing all sorts because it's out of shape. No, it's usually because they don't do all sorts when it's out of shape, does it? It goes soft and flat and easy and bonop. Stick to cricket. is brought to you by Betfair.

25:07Phil Tufnell: Just mentioning Indian players, I was on a flight and sat next to Sunil Gavaska. Yes. Sunil's been a wonderful player, one of the greatest. The Indian test team, one after another, came up just to touch him. They all came up just to get a blessing from him. Oh, right, well, there you go. Me and him were up in business class and the lads are back there. Every one of them came up. Yeah. They didn't touch me at all. No. Did he ask for a drink? Just to get a little bit of...

25:41Michael Vaughan: That's incredible.

25:43Phil Tufnell: Anyone ever touch you, Phil? Many times.

25:46Michael Vaughan: What, just to get a little bit of power sort of thing? What blessing do I get now? You want to be careful what you touch, Mark. I've come on the series. We're obviously going to the fourth test. Entrolling, isn't it? Five, 15 days of test match cricket. every test going into the fifth day, and could have been either way. When you look at it, if India had seized their moments, could have well been 3-0. Having said that, I thought England showed a lot of character. First at Leeds, and then again on that final day, at Lord's, where the captain put his hand up, hold those long spells, and put his neck on the line, and pulled it off.

26:29So it's all set up beautifully.

26:32Michael Vaughan: Yeah, yeah. So if you saw the two captains, Shubman was having an outstanding series. Stokes was getting there. You could almost sense at Edgbaston that he was preserving himself. You know, he wanted enough fuel in the tank for lots to go at full pelt. And I always feel when he starts bowling, he's a different batsman as well. As an all-rounder, you need all those three departments. He's different. Captains also differently. It makes a massive difference. Boomer playing? They say they're only going to play three out of five. They should hear because you lose this game, the oval doesn't matter then.

27:13You've lost the series. And I think he's got nine days. He'll know the importance of this. I think this pitch will have more bounce than some of the other surfaces from what one's heard. And if the weather is not that hot, I think he should give it a... So we don't...

27:28Michael Vaughan: You don't think you're mumble? That's your territory? Flat?

27:31Phil Tufnell: Flat, very, very flat. No pace, no grass. Really? Yeah. The pace has gone since Old Trafford's turned the pitch around. I'm not saying they're worried, but they understand that the pace has sort of gone out of the pitch. Could it spin at Old Trafford? Out of the footmarks will be a bit of something. Good footmarks, a good footmarks. So they play county matches, and you could actually play on the same pitch for day after day after day. It becomes an absolute slab. Rock hard, isn't it? Yeah, absolutely rock hard.

28:03Michael Vaughan: A few clouds around, so it might move around.

28:04Phil Tufnell: So, yeah, you might get a... There might be a bit of moisture at the beginning with all the rain that we've had around. We've had some real thunderstorms recently, so if it creeps under, usual thing, your drainage seems to have sapped all the energy out of the pitches. Yeah. It won't have any pace, not from what I've seen. I've been to every game this year at Old Trafford. Another five day. Not seen... Oh, yeah.

28:29Michael Vaughan: They'll want some coin, won't they, this week, Old Trafford?

28:32Phil Tufnell: Yeah, it becomes corporate. It'll be a corporate pitch and they'll get five days. It's true, though.

28:42Michael Vaughan: It's true, isn't it? Totally true. It's very fair that we've had three great test matches which have gone the distance. And isn't it wonderful? You're right, Ravi, it's been an absolute belter of a series so far. I've turned up every morning to do the commentary and I still don't really know what's going to happen. but that's what I love, you know what I mean? Ebbed and flowed. Ebbed and flowed, toed and flowed, swings and roundabouts. Any other cliches I can make. But if you've been an Indian... Up and down. Up and down. To and fro.

29:09Phil Tufnell: This and that. Bit of this and that. This and that. Yeah. In and out. If you've been an Indian batsman, though, like you come to India on this tour and you think, oh, England, Duke's ball, you know, nip around. It's not nipped at all. Oh, there's a happy days. It's been a lucky tour. Oh, happy days. And it's not their fault. No? They don't control the overheads. You come like that, you see these conditions, sun out, cut tracks to bat, cash in. Because there'll be other days when it's overcast, typical English conditions, where everything's happening. You know, swinging, seeming. So when it's...

29:44The sun's out in England, make the most.

29:46Michael Vaughan: Yeah. What a way that little Siraj got out at the end. Bless it. Bless it. He's the only one in middle, wasn't he? Bless it. Well, it did. It did. I saw it, though, because he's hit it like that. and he's pretty much middle of it but then he did have both his feet in front of the stumps first so it's gone and then he's just nipped back it's come back up the slope it's come back up the slope it's gone up the slope it spun off the rough the only one that spun all day it was a warning it was a warning what about that approach to that chase Ravi you know India went down they obviously lost wickets on the fourth night and then they lost a few early on day five and then Gideon basically said I'm just going to take one off the fourth and I'm going to trust Bumma and Siraj just to block and then I'll carry on.

30:33Michael Vaughan: 70 odd overs in the chase of one night and didn't get there. Could they have been a bit more expansive? I thought the time was before lunch. When Nitish Reddy and Jadeja were there, one of the two should have gone a little more. Because the field was up, the ball was a little harder. Once it got softer, then you knew there would be one delivery with your name written on it.

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32:30At some stage, I thought they could have taken more chances and brought that deficit down quicker to about 40 and then played the way they did. Because if they'd taken it into the teens, it would have been, then you're doing this. You know, leg by four, pies go for four, suddenly it comes into single digits. A different ball. Well, the draw was coming into the equation at one stage.

32:57Phil Tufnell: The new ball was roundabout, wasn't it? About four overs away. Yeah. If you got into teams, you're right. The new ball. The new ball would have liked it.

33:06Michael Vaughan: Because Jateta hit a six. What a player. He's 36 years of age.

33:11Phil Tufnell: He's the oldest on both teams, isn't he? Chris Walks, maybe.

33:14Michael Vaughan: The gunfielder, quickers. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. He's got that mentality, hasn't he? as soon as he's like I said last week at Lords Ben Stokes is the one cricketer that I've watched and studied I don't think Ben Stokes and remind me if he has I don't think Ben Stokes has ever lost a tight situation I look at him when he's got the bat in hand or the ball in hand I think when it gets tight come on you're going to have to lose one he always wins the moment and he raises the bar he senses it Jadeja's like that he senses it I feel Jadeja if the belief if he has even 40 % of the belief of Ben he'll win you a lot more matches because there's no doubting his talent it's just that he has to go and take charge and believe he can take charge he can do it because you know the batting talent he's got triple hundreds it took him a long time in first class three three only triple hundreds and it took him ages to realize that he has that batting potential.

34:18But one of the great sides of this series was at the end of the Lord's Test when Stokes and Jadeja hugged each other. Yeah. Two of the best all-rounders in the business at the moment. Mutual respect. CSK. It was in a tight, tight game. Is that CSK?

34:36Phil Tufnell: Yeah. I'm just thinking, Jimmy Anderson didn't hug him at all, did he? No. Trent Bridge was here.

34:42Michael Vaughan: Just on Jimmy, he's got 100 Borgic. Manchester Originals, Jimmy, for the 100. I'm not surprised. He's bowling brilliantly.

34:49Phil Tufnell: He did for the Yorkies at Headley, didn't he?

34:51Michael Vaughan: He got three for that.

34:52Phil Tufnell: He bowls three up straight away in the power play. He gets two for, three for. Swings for. Well, the 100 white ball swings more, so he'll be perfect for his 10. I'm not sure he'd sort of replay them all back, like caught at deep long off and caught at deep third man.

35:07Michael Vaughan: They're not nicking off. You've got to get them somehow. I'd say what was nice on Jimmy, when he walked out of the bat at Headley, and you know what the Yorkies are like, they generally boo the opposition. They all stood. Gave him an ovation, which was nice. He didn't last long. I think he was out first ball. And then they sent him off. They stand up on the way back.

35:26Phil Tufnell: Did he get... Did you go into a draft to get into? Have they just said, come and play for us?

35:31Michael Vaughan: No, I think it's the final spots that they could sign. Wild card. People that were left in the pot. If teams had positions available, you could go and... One wild card, wouldn't it? Who's their coach then? Originals. Manchester's Katic I think Simon Katic alright well done you should really know that from Lanx

35:55I know about

35:57Michael Vaughan: your Archer was Andy wasn't he he was just a little bit different wasn't he big difference he adds that you're obviously a neutral looking at England you kind of look at England and think for them you've won in Australia how many times as a coach Twice. Twice as a coach. So you know how to win in Australia. England will get down there in a few months' time. The key to winning in Australia is what? And how much more do England's chances improve with archering it? 20 wickets, pace. So, you know, if you have a good pace attack, you can take 20 wickets, you get 250, 275 you're in the game. And with genuine pace, that's why when we played, we said 275, 300.

36:42You know, if you bat first, somehow, scrap, do what you have to do. And then even if you're batting first, which we wanted more often than not, put the runs on the board and then put the Aussies under pressure. And then if you have Chofra bowling the way he did at Lord's, if Mark Wood comes back, then you're talking. Do you need a spinner? You will need a spinner to do a controlling job more than anything else. to keep things tight on a hot day. You know, someone who can keep things tight if you're fielding first, steady, and ideally give you some runs as well. Do you think Shoaibashir can be that spinner in Australia?

37:22Australia will be hard. You might need a spinner to give you more with the bat. Yeah, Dawson coming to the side. Good choice, that. Good choice. You know, on tracks where there's not much assistance for spin, like in Australia, it just pounces.

37:38Phil Tufnell: I've seen Rian Ahmed bowl and bat really well this year. But he's leg spin and he's only young, he's only a kid. I like his batting. He's really good. He bowls leg spin and he bats nicely. Just the control, isn't it? With a leg spinner. So they're going to say, sit on him, he'll bowl a bad ball. I just think if you've got the four seamers, and two of them are Archer and Wood, you're going to attack with them. They can't bowl heavy spells. So you're going to have to have that spinner. If you haven't got...

38:09Michael Vaughan: Sir Alessio, you picked Liam, didn't you? Liam Dawson. I did last week, yeah. Yeah, very good. But... Well, I only picked him. I didn't realise Bash was going to break his hand. No. The one thing I've got about Archer, which I was so surprised, is how he backed it up. We were all talking, is this a game too early? Should he have played Catnacree? And it's easy to slag off, you know, when you're not involved in the England set-up, why are they doing that? Full credit, because his fitness was absolutely spot on. He bowled. He's got to back it up though. He's got to play again this week. Yeah, but he's had a week off.

38:41Michael Vaughan: He's had a week off. It was a good move not to play him in edge best. Yeah, he wouldn't have found that. They brought him into the side second test. Hot. Flat. Let him build up and then play him at loads. Play at Old Trafford and then you can see about the oval. Because he's not going to get through five in Australia, is he? He can play three. Three in Australia. You want him in Perth, I'd want him in the day-nighter as well. Yes. Stinky pinky. Maybe Sydney, the last one. How about that, talking of Stokes seizing the moment, how that gut feeling of starting with Archer. Incredible. On that fifth day, why?

39:21Because on that same day six years ago, England won the World Cup and Archer bowled the season. Who wouldn't have started with Archer? And he said it crossed my mind when I was reminded of that. that this could be the stars aligning for the same thing to happen.

39:36Michael Vaughan: I think also what really impressed me as well was his desire. Yeah. A little bit of... Because usually sometimes you see old Joffre sort of, not loping about, do you know what I mean? But he gave a couple of beautiful send-offs, you know what I mean? Delivery for Bishop. You know he's the kind of baller. And then in the face and come on, we're all in this together. He looks like the kind of baller that is a batterer I wouldn't want to get into a battle. Just play. And Rishabh danced down and whacked him down the ground one-handed. That's interesting what he says. And I reckon Rishabh dancing down, he's gone, wait a minute, he ain't doing that.

40:08Michael Vaughan: Just ramped it up a bit. If I'm facing Joffre Archer, I'm just going to play him. Because, you know, Tuffer's made that point. Sometimes on day five, first spell, plenty expected from the captain. He might just come and bowl those floaty deliveries up, looseners.

40:22Phil Tufnell: He came in right on the money from the outset on that day. It's interesting what you say, because you go back to Andy Roberts, Bob Willis was in my gram just sit in sit in and they understand right now and they just go up again yeah they do that I mean you know Willis yeah yeah all the all the bang same with Andy Roberts West Indies and was a inferno just from County cricket right elbow was in once boulders out after tea with trainers on

40:50Michael Vaughan: yeah yeah rebut pumps yeah yeah the pump on the top of the trainer yeah Yeah. Sheffield. Puma Sheffield. Sylvester Clarke. Yeah, yeah. Sylvester.

40:59Phil Tufnell: Sylvester used to ball in them batting boots. Puma Sheffield. With the nipples on the bottom. With the what? The little sort of, you know, what are they like? They were like sort of... Sylvester Clarke never made a mark at the ball. No. Rapid. Jesus. You must have played a mark. Oh, a lot. Oh. A lot. Because we unfortunately played only 19 tests against the West Indies in the 80s. Thanks to the PCI. Yeah. Because they were money earners. they would either call them to India, make the Bucks, or send us there. 19 in a year. Crikey. And then half the time, he couldn't get in. No, he wouldn't get in.

41:34So one of the games, he didn't play, right, for the West. He played for Barbados and Joel, and he took the new ball. And I think we were 40 for six.

41:46Phil Tufnell: That'd be a quick pitch then. Quick pitch, Barbados. It used to be shiny. It used to be like this. They used to spin the roller, didn't they? They'd spin the roller around. The best story of Sylvester, because they were a clique. You had Ezra Mosley, Sylvester Clarke, Hartley Allen. They were like a pack, you know. And there was a Sunday league game, so he wasn't supposed to play. So, Clarke pitches up early at the Oval, sitting at the bar there with his brandy and this thing. And then Tony Gray was playing for Surrey. I think he pulled up with the injuries. They came out into the bar. Clarke, you've got to play.

42:21Phil Tufnell: Ian Gregg. Ian Gregg. He didn't get it. He didn't, Greg. Yeah, he'd pull up. He'd come and have a game. It was four. Five wickets. He went mad. He just came and... Who was the quickest your face? I think Malcolm. Malcolm Marshall. Marshall, round the wicket when he used to bowl. Oh, he was... Because of that height. His short ball, it would be at you all the time. Yeah. He was... Joe Garner? Garner, Ambrose, very similar. Ooh. Very similar, very high. Michael was there. And like he said, some of the quickest deliveries came from Andy. Yeah. Bouncer. Because he would set you up.

43:06Michael Vaughan: Did you ever get to face in a slow bowler when you played the Westerners? I didn't have one, did I? Did Viv have a bowler? Viv and Larry Gomes, they would take wickets. They would come 75 overs, new ball and they would come 66 forward.

43:20Phil Tufnell: Yeah. Before the new ball, you know. We used to chat with Clive when Clive's at Old Trafford. When he first took over, they had Inshin Ali. I think Inshin Ali was a wrist spinner. And Rafiq Jumadine, as an entrepreneur. Nah. I said, well, you have no balance to your team. He said, we have. He said, Joel Garner, he's the slowest.

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45:23Ravi, did you ever face Tophers?

45:25Michael Vaughan: Yes. Tophers, yes. Yes, I played against Ravi. We were talking about this the other day. Abergavenny. Abergavenny. Let's take a trip down to Abergavenny. It's been Abergavenny, isn't it? Yes, Abergavenny. He kept hitting me in the graveyard. There's like a grave, there's sort of like a... Was it Abergavenny? Oh, but that ground is like a postage stamp. And it's got the weirdest boundary rope, because it sort of goes round, you know what I mean? There's all sorts, there's cows there and everything, it all sort of goes round. And then, you know, you had enough of Abergavenny, we took him on a Sunday to Murtha Tidford, Tom Jones Tidford.

46:01Oh, that was a mine field. It was a mine? It was a mine, sir.

46:09Michael Vaughan: It was a coal mine.

46:11Phil Tufnell: Yeah, no, I've played a case where I think you're about 140. Mighty Wilde, I don't believe that. Let's take a trip to Abergavenny. Mighty Wilde. Mighty Wilde sang it, didn't he? Yeah. And he's... Kim Wilde, wasn't it? His daughter, Kim Wilde, a bit of a rocker. Kim Wilde?

46:26Michael Vaughan: Oh, she had some great numbers. Oh, I'll tell you what happened... Great numbers, yeah. I'll tell you what happened at Abergavenny. I can't even say it. Abergavenny. In Wales. Abergavenny. What's the little fella who does the star signs? Russell. Russell Hart. Grant. Russell Grant. Russell Grant. Russell Grant, Middlesex fan. Middlesex fan, yeah. He came down and he sort of like, he said, Phil, do you want me to read your... Give me your horse goats. And I said, well, I'm not bowling that bad, am I? You know what I mean? He gave me this fucking astronomical shit. Kids in America. We're the kids in America.

47:00Michael Vaughan: He said, you'll be all right. Kim Wild. Kids in America. Yeah. Yeah, what a song. Lovely. She's a gardener now. Oh, she is. She's a gardener. Mulching? Yeah, she knows she's a... Mulching, she does have plenty of mulch. She does have plenty of mulch.

47:14Phil Tufnell: On the telly. Yeah.

47:15Michael Vaughan: Oh, she's your own show. She's got her own gardening show, yeah.

47:17Phil Tufnell: Which is the best for mulching, chicken shit or horse shit? I find the blend. The blend. What about Ravi's farm? Oh, what a place. What's that? If you go there, you're not coming back sober, I'll tell you that. We went across there. And so it's the gateway of India, isn't it? We've got this little speedboat with fellas. They're all dressed up properly with uniforms on and caps and lovely. Where's this, sorry? Where's this place? At this place. In Mumbai. In Mumbai, across the water from the Taj. Across the water. So Beefy comes and spends about six hours on the farm, comes back. These chaps are driving this speedboat it is.

47:58Phil Tufnell: He knocked them out of the way, Beefy. He said, I'll drive. The front of it went, woof, like that. And a woman fell out the back. No alligators there. I'll tell you Biffy's story. He came and sat on the bar. You were there. Yeah. He sat on the bar, took his seat. He asked me a question. Rab, are there some snakes around here? I said, this is snake territory. He didn't get up from there till we left, you know. Just occasionally spun across, did what he had to do. Nice little leak over there in the back. The banana trees at the back, they really flourished. You know, beefy poured down some stuff there.

48:44It was good stuff, good manure. Top grade. And then he spun around, sat there, entertained, and then in charge of the boat.

48:52Phil Tufnell: Speed, but you were a rapid boat with these big workout boards. Woof, the front went up and she'd gone off the back.

49:01Michael Vaughan: She didn't end up water skiing or anything.

49:03Phil Tufnell: He was knocking him away. Was it? Was it just a guest? LAUGHTER Yeah. What about... Just the same thing, Beefy, sat on a bar at the Hotel Devan in Bristol all night till midnight, wanted to be introduced to Tim Bresnan, who's making his debut in some one-day game. He sat there all night, Beef. Andy Flowey said, let's meet Bresci. So he brings Bresci. Bresci's made up. wants to meet Beefy. He got off his chair, but he'd undone his pants. Like Blokes do. He's got about four bottles of Chardonnay on there. He's undone his pants and he got off and his pants fell. So he's now like this. Brez is stood like this to shake hands.

49:52Phil Tufnell: His pants have come down, so he's down here trying to put his pants up and shaking his hand. He lost his balance. He lost his balance, mate. He went straight over the Chesterfield and fell fast asleep. Rez is still stood there like this. Andy Flow, what are we going to do? I said, leave him, he'll be all right. Don't worry. Don't worry, this is nothing unusual. Oh, I love the beef. Oh, God. Nice to meet you, sir. I told you, I'm going to Valderrama with him in October playing golf. Oh, good luck. Ridiculous. That'll be true. I go fishing with him up in Scotland at half past eight in the morning and you're all tackled up and you're a day on the wall.

50:32Phil Tufnell: That fly stuff. Fly fishing for salmon. I've never ever caught one, been for years. He says, right, everybody down at the... We've got to go and toast the river. What? And he gets a tumbler like that, full of whiskey. Right, everybody toast the river. He goes, what's all that about? You won't catch anything unless you toast the river. Boom!

50:56Michael Vaughan: Look, just the one toast, is it?

50:58Phil Tufnell: Yeah, but it's like a... A tumbler full of malt whisky. I'm not going in there. I'm absolutely pissed.

51:07Michael Vaughan: I haven't caught anything for half an hour. We need another toast.

51:11Phil Tufnell: We need another toast.

51:13Michael Vaughan: It obviously wasn't this. Oh, blimey. Did the salmon not like the whisky?

51:18Phil Tufnell: No, I mean... They didn't get any. It was all down there. Lost them in the river. So we were all there. Collins would be there and umpteen. There were only six of us. Yeah. I mean, it's a nightmare. And he has this dog called Pino. Called what? Pino. He has one called Merlot, one called Pino. Anyway, we have a meal and he's all over this meal, like Henry VIII, pulling legs off and eating them. Then he falls asleep and the dog sits on his head. He's got an enormous head, hasn't he? He's got this little Jack Russell that's sat on his head. How many dogs have you got, Rav? What, five? Yeah, yours are, what are you called?

52:00Bouncer, beamer, flipper, yorker, skipper.

52:10They're big dogs, aren't they?

52:12Phil Tufnell: What sort of are they? There's a combine, there's three labs, golden retriever. Oh, you golden lab. Beamer, flipper, flipper. It's a white lab.

52:22Michael Vaughan: I'm warning you. LAUGHTER

52:27Michael Vaughan: Stick to Cricket is brought to you by Betfair. Rav, commentary. You're one of the best. Give us... What's been the best cricket match or the moment in cricket that's been the best part of the commentary world that you've kind of worked on? You and Bumble. You've rad six sixes. I've told you! And he was instrumental. Very few know it. Because on the sheet, on the roster, I wasn't supposed to do that stint. And Bumble went and saw it. And he knew there's some spice out there after Freddie and UV had a go. And he said, you know, I think we too should be doing that last one. And he went and told the producer, who thought seeing the state of the game might just be the right call.

53:20Put us in. Rest is history. Six sixes. And what a sight that was. Kingsmead, fantastic.

53:27Phil Tufnell: Absolutely. Brilliant. I mean, that kind of action happens. You don't get to see that very often. Someone hitting six sixes. Go on, give us a cock-a-hoop. A cock-a-hoop. That's what he's thinking. India is cock-a-hoop. Did the traceable it come out? Yeah, a traceabullet. He went like a traceabullet. What about his tosses? Oh, I love the tosses. Ravi, could you...

53:56Michael Vaughan: The ring cooler, isn't it? Yeah, but you're our expert in batting. Do you think Ravi could teach you how to be a tosser? A tosser? I don't think I need any teaching. He's the best in the business. I could be, I could be. I love them. Ravi, try and teach him how to be... You know, you get the mic. Namaskar Mumbai! Jesus Christ Jesus! That's how you start the word. Namaskar Mumbai! Go on Phil, go on Phil. Namaskar Mumbai!

54:25Phil Tufnell: Go on, give us one Ravi, go on. Go on, I don't know what I'm saying. Hang on, hang on. Camera, camera. Rolling, right. Three, two, one. There's a camera behind you. You're wrong, mate. I'm telling you. Here he is, we're coming to the toss. We're coming to you Ravi in ten seconds. Three, two, one. You're on Ravi. It's London City. It's St. John's Wood. It is NW16. It's Lords, the iconic cricket ground stage for the first Test match between England and India. Stokes kill Richie Richardson in the house and Ben will give it a flick.

55:07Michael Vaughan: I like it at the end when you go, and Stokes has won the toss and he'll have a... I love that. No, that's the way cricket needs to be. Even test cricket needs to be like that.

55:20Phil Tufnell: I've said that for ages. Out of it now. Get this toss. Rev it up. Rev the toss. Instead of everyone just...

55:26Michael Vaughan: Like that fella who does the W... Well, W... Boxing, you know, everything. Yeah, yeah. Welcome to... Let's get ready to rumble. Give a one of that. Let's get ready to rumble. No, it's... An India-Pakistan game, World Cup. In the blue corner. That's right. For the Greens. That's Baba Razam. Ready to punch.

55:51Phil Tufnell: Ready to counter punch. Way to go. There you go. He could do it. He's got to do it next match. Are you doing it, man? I don't know. I don't know the roster. So start with Ravi. Camera starts on Ravi. Nobody else. And then he brings them in. They walk into him. Number one. And number one coming in, Ben Stoltz, captain of England!

56:15Phil Tufnell: And bring in... And here he is, Shummingle, captain of India! He's already cock-a-hooped! That'll be good. The only problem is that you go and sit down for half an hour, don't you? Well, there you go. You call out the boxing, then they sit down for half an hour away. Yeah, and then you go and feel it at five legs for six hours. Oh, I love it.

56:32Michael Vaughan: Did you see the fight? Yeah, it was a knockout. Yeah, good. World-class, isn't it, that?

56:37Phil Tufnell: Which fight?

56:38Michael Vaughan: Quality. Usyk.

56:40Phil Tufnell: I've missed it.

56:41Michael Vaughan: Ah, yes. Quality. Quality. Usyk. Locked in with the left. Usyk.

56:45Phil Tufnell: Yeah. Yeah, he's good. I love me boxing. He's got a little... You can't have it that much. I can't believe it.

56:51Michael Vaughan: Don't tell me you've been in the ring with Muhammad Ali or something. You said you were right about George Best, by the way. I took the piss out of you. Yeah, I see it. Was it Summit, what was it? Summit Windows. Summit Windows. Summit Windows. Summit Windows. But that fight's walking off Tyson Fury again. Wow. He's saying I'm the only Morkham boy. Gypsy King will be back. I played for Morkham. Did you? Of course he did. Two seasons. Lancaster. Yeah. You didn't play Lancashire League, did you? No, I played in the Northern League. Good league, that. Very good. A few Shrinklin, Javid Preston. Some good guys.

57:28Very good. All this was at Blackpool.

57:31Phil Tufnell: Morkham, Shrink, Toff at St. Anne's? Shrink, it's a timeless for Shrink. How random he does. Did he come from London?

57:39Michael Vaughan: Very played for, isn't it?

57:39Phil Tufnell: St. Anne's.

57:42Michael Vaughan: Did you see him to your boxing name? He said he's got a name for it, Oosek, didn't he? I didn't know what he called it. Ivan. I didn't call it Ivan. Ivan the Terrible.

57:50Phil Tufnell: For Eubank and Ben for world title fights. And he never got knocked down, 31 fights.

57:58Michael Vaughan: What's his name?

57:58Phil Tufnell: Yorkshire lad. Henry Wharton.

58:01Michael Vaughan: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.

58:02Phil Tufnell: I heard that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Good score. You know the Yorkshire versus Essex game? Yeah. At York? Henry were there. Was he? Yeah, come down. Was he doing the toss? No. No. He's lively. I think we should do that. We might have to make that offer, Rav. No, you never do it.

58:22Michael Vaughan: You can't replicate. No, you can't. No, you can't. Right there. Heated exchange, Rav. We have one question every week. We've got to have a heated debate about this. which is the biggest rivalry? England versus Australia or India versus Pakistan? I would say in the years I played, India-Pakistan. India-Pakistan. Yeah, yeah. Just the interest it generates from the outside, massive. Eyeballs on it, for sure. Yeah. I mean, there's talk. What's the viewing figures? I saw it the week of an India-Pakistan game gets billions, isn't it, globally? It does. It does. Worldwide There's a reason The ICC They're always drawn In the same group In every ICC tournament They're guaranteed It's a bigger It's Well For an Englishman The Australian Ashes Is bigger than For me India and Pakistan But Cricket sense Worldwide India and Pakistan Massive Way bigger Though having said that Last ten years I think India and Australia Has taken I suppose you Like cricket Cricket Cricketing terms England, India, Australia have been some fantastic series.

59:34Like this year, I mean, you were there. You got more crowds in to the MCG for Boxing Day.

59:41Phil Tufnell: Oh. The highest number of people, the largest number of people that came in since Bradman's team, 1936.

59:48Michael Vaughan: So do you think then that India, Aussie, in Aussie, could be better than the Ashes? Is that coming up to it? So now, ashes, I think, will get a lot of people. But to upstage that, you will have to have a great series and probably the best crowd ever.

1:00:12Phil Tufnell: Do you get tourists going from India to Australia? Massive, all over the globe. Barra Army. And they'll come from New York, they'll come from all parties.

1:00:21Michael Vaughan: Massive. Well, there was a couple of lads I bumped into. At Lourdes, Indian supporters. One had flown in from Canada. One had come in from Buenos Aires or something. You know, just for like two days. Two days. I said, it's a great game. I'm nipping down for two days from Toronto. You know what I mean? When was the last time India played Pakistan in a Test match? Long back. I played for about 15, 20 years. That's not going to happen, is it? It's not. I mean, it's all political. It's very sensitive. It's something totally out of the hands of the board officials, the cricketers. It's at a very high level with the government.

1:01:09Michael Vaughan: Rav, we're going to finish with this one for you. I know it's going to put you on the spot. We call it FIFA. Michelle. Got to name us the top five Indian cricketers of all time. Starting in fifth place and you finish with your number one. Let me go the other way. Then it's easier to remember. Definite Gavaskar. We'll start 70s. Kapil. Sachin. Right. Three more. Virat definitely. I'm looking at the most influential players of that era.

1:01:54That's right. Tough. Bishan would have been there. Doli. MS again. MS will come in and then Bhumra is still here. Bhumra, Bhumra. Bhumra has still got cricket. I'm saying the guys who have almost finished their cricket. So, these will be the five. It will be Sunny, Kapil. So, I'm going 70s. Sachin. 80s, Kapil. 90s, Sachin. Dhoni Virat Who's number one? Gavaskar The Godfather? I would say batting Kapil Fabulous cricketer And I would put The entire package Number one would be Tendul Because of The expectations Because of longevity For having played 24 years in the game 24 years That's a long war And he's played 100-100 For 100-100 That's amazing Under that strength.

1:02:55He played every pace attack of that decade. He started playing Wasim, Waqar, Imran, then went to the Aussies. Then the English attack, Brody, Anderson. South African attack, Callis, Sean. George a lot. Played for George. And then, you know, wondered. So, yeah, I mean, it's... And pure, pure as technique-wise and following-wise.

1:03:24Michael Vaughan: Brilliant player. Brilliant. Just finished on the test at Old Trafford. Your Indian team, Arshtip Singh's out. There are some injuries there. Nitya's come already out for the series. Arshtip's got a dodgy back. What's your 11 for Old Trafford? Plus, I'd be very curious to see how Rishabh has pulled up. Yes. You know, because he won't get a substitute. But if he's had nine days, if it's not a crack, I think he should be OK. You know, to go, which is important because he's an impact player. He will make a difference. Bumrush should play, I think, because now with injuries to the others and with the series on the line, this becomes the most important dismatch.

1:04:05Michael Vaughan: Is Harald Thakur back in? I don't think so. I think they'll go with the two all-rounders, Boshi and Jadu. Three fast bowlers. They might add another batsman. Instead of Nitej Reddy, they might add another batter, either Sai Sudarshan. Still not see this fella? I doubt. I don't think so. Maybe Oval. Brilliant. Cheers Ravi. Thanks Ravi. Pleasure. As always.

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