Stokes & Atkinson Drama, England Test Preview & Williamson Retires | Stick to Cricket EP 49

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2:11Michael Vaughan: Morning, morning, morning. You got gout? Yeah. Who's got gout? Sure. You've got gout? I've got a little bit of gout. My mate, Geoff's got gout. He's got it in his arm. Yeah, knees, arms, fingers. I've got it in my big toe. Oh, sore. It comes in your knee as well, you know, gout. Oh, you don't want that, mate. What are you taking? Some sort of painkillers. It used to be diclofenic, didn't it? Yeah. But you've stopped that. Yeah. You've stopped your own diclofenic. Why? It was harmful. And I think it's to do with... I think it's eggs, seafood and meat. Is it? And red wine. Yeah, go here, mate. Eggs, eggs?

2:49Eggs, isn't it? I think it's eggs. It's got nothing to do with beer. Or red wine. Red wine, it used to be. Henry VIII. It's not the only thing. Henry VIII used to get it. I thought gout went out in the 18th. All right, Lewis. Oh, yeah, this is Lewis, lads.

3:02Michael Vaughan: All right, Lewis. Harry's gone, hasn't he? Yeah, Harry's at Download, I think, this weekend. Where is he? So I'm at the placement download festival. What, he's pissed off to a festival? He's having a rave up, is he? Is he? Apparently so, yeah. Where's that? What's the download festival? Honestly, I don't know, but he's just there. Tractor's off, hasn't he? On the weekend? Four days' time. Yeah, I think he's off his head. Oh, right. What, heavy metal or... You'll be good at it. You like that, don't you? ACDC. Lads, I've got you at Lewis, right? Lewis. Lewis, correct this, isn't it, Lewis? He can memorise every Man United Premier League game since 2013.

3:42Michael Vaughan: Okay. Is that right? Every single one? About 2011, something like that. Oh, 11? Yeah, like August 2011. Lewis, Lewis, why? I'll be honest, I've not really got a life, that's probably why. So you haven't played Sheffield Wednesday in that time, have you? No, I don't think so, no. You played York City in that time? Possibly, not in the Premier League, don't you? It's only Premier League. What about the Gooners? York City beat them in the Cup, mate. 3-1, I think. But I think it was before then. I think it was the old library. Is it Emirates or Highbury? Arsenal. Arsenal. 2014. 13? Well, you can decide one or the other.

4:2314. Is it like 2014-15 season? Yes, 14-15 season.

4:29Michael Vaughan: Home or away. At home. Is that the Emirates or Highbury? When was Highbury? That was years ago, wasn't it? Yeah. All right, Emirates. At Emirates that season, we won 2-1. Giroud scored for Arsenal and then Rooney. and it was a Kieran Gibbs own goal. Very sure. Check it. Yeah, yeah. Spot on. No, no, spot on. Do you know the minutes of the goal scorers? I think they were all in the second half, I know that, but I think Giroud scored in like about the 90th minute. It was like a consolation. Yeah, a consolation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the other two. Kieran Gibbs, Kieran Gibbs. That's a great shout.

5:02I have a season ticket, so obviously I'll watch a lot of the games myself. Oh, yeah, Garmin. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Oh, man. Get yourself a mastermind. You should have a word with Monty Panasol. Bless him.

5:16Michael Vaughan: Can I get a cup of tea? All second off. You're absolutely spot on there, Luke. Just on the... We've had a few issues this week in English cricket. Do we have any protocols on this show about behaviour in the public domain? Obviously representing our brand, stick to cricket, out there into the public. Do we have any protocols? No. Not being mentioned. No, no, no. Can we just watch this? Hold on, Mike, I think we don't need them because I think we're adults. Do we have any curfews? Do we have a curfew? I don't know. What do we make of this? I think it's going to have to be when Moeen Ali took the catch down with the third man against New Zealand.

5:56It was mad Monday. I think they opened up lords for basically anyone for five or so. The atmosphere was brilliant. We bowled out New Zealand, they were chasing... I can't remember how many chasing, but we were behind the game for the whole game. I don't know. What a bat. How many deep were you? He had a smile. Was that when you were out with your dad? Well, do you know what? I was in the writer's room, or committee room, sorry. Committee room. Yes. And I was invited... I'd had one guest. So I invited my dad. Well done. Because it was the first time... We worked out the first time I ever watched Test cricket.

6:31Oh, lovely. So I might have had a couple. I don't think I was that bad for one. No. I got... It's a sound microphone. The microphone wasn't working. It's a new one.

6:43Michael Vaughan: It's a little bit dodgy. It was a good catch. Well, that was... So you were invited by the MCC for the day because they had all the ex-England captains. Yeah, it was brilliant. I saw them. Oh, it was brilliant. At Lord's. Yeah, fantastic. I saw a picture with him on the end. Well, no. He's an England captain and there he is. I'd photo-bombed it. No, you weren't. You were just stood next to Strauss. Yeah, he was. He'd have stuck in there, didn't he? Just snuck in. Although you did just ask in the green room, did you ever captain England? Yeah. Don't spoil the story, man. The answer's no. That was lovely, though, that was.

7:20We were down there. We was down... Well, you were down there, Ron. Well, it would have been if you were captain England. They were in the photo. Yeah. If Agas and I had gone down there to do the chat for the radio, it was a lovely, lovely picture there in front of the pavilion. Beautiful.

7:34Michael Vaughan: Yeah, I must admit, Triscothic came down from the England balcony, so they just walked down through the long room. I was surprised Ben Stokes and Joe Root didn't come down to that picture. Don't know. Don't know. I thought it was a missed chance for them to come and have a picture with all the ex-captains. They were playing in the game then. But they weren't batting, they were out. I think they were eight down at the time. that first day. I mean, we'll get onto the pitch in a short while, but yeah, it was tea time. There was a bit of rain around. I think the covers might have been on, actually.

8:03Michael Vaughan: Weren't sure of when we were going to start. All the ex-captains, we were going to have to do it in the room that... Is that the chairman's room? Or the right committee room. And then the clouds kind of cleared and we went, I get on the pitch because the MCC wanted to introduce all the ex-captains. Was it MCC or ECB? MCC. MCC. All the ex-captains got in order. And then we're all in a line. It was a lovely picture. I was just surprised that Ben and Joe didn't nip down. Didn't have to say anything. Just have a picture. Well, they perhaps get AI'd in like I do. I can AI them, yeah. You can AI them in, Mark.

8:37But they were going, well, Gat was there, wasn't he? Yeah. Gooch, Gooch, Gooch and Gat. Yeah, they were. Beefy. In the writer's room, wherever it was. Beef, beef. When they got together, they were like schoolchildren. They were like Gucci and Stewie. They were there all day, too. they're there for like they all came in just before tea and i turned to my dad's i look at them they're like brilliant like telling some kind of stories yeah before we get started i'd

9:04Michael Vaughan: like to thank our partners betfair so just hit subscribe so you don't miss an episode enjoy the show there's a ruckus in a nightclub i think there's a huge amount of support rightly for Ben Stokes. Yeah. I've got to go to bed at 12 o 'clock and I can't have a pint. I'm not playing. He was asked four times in the press conference, will Ben Stokes be the England captain? And he didn't categorically say yes. You're f***ed up, big time. Don't do it again. Everyone in that dressing room probably goes out and drinks. There's a little bit of back me or sack me here. Are you saying there's more to come out then?

9:40If you're not doing certain things right, you're not going to get picked.

9:44Michael Vaughan: Do you think the truth hurts? Yeah. All this does doesn't it? I hope it's not the last we've seen of Ben Stokes. Absolutely. You know you can eat a croissant or you can have a few beers and it doesn't affect your performance. Ah the parallel bars. Never ever watch a film. You've never watched the last film. I mean I watched Brastoff years ago.

10:09Right. Valid.

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12:12Michael Vaughan: Shall we just go over what's happened? So Ben Stokes is going to miss the second test against New Zealand following an incident in a London nightclub on Sunday night after the victory. Stokes is with Gus Atkinson, broke the curfew. The curfew came in a few months ago on the back of what happened in Australia. Is the curfew not for match days? Correct. The match is finished. It clearly is throughout the series. So was there not a security chap with him? He was with him, yeah. I think he might have had to wear one or two. I think he got a bit of a... So how can there be a curfew if you're with a security man?

12:54Would the security man not say, look, you're beyond the curfew, we need to go?

12:59Michael Vaughan: Well, let's get to the story. The England side win a great Test match, right? Pitch was poor, but they needed to win. Half past one. Finished at half past one in the afternoon. Half past one on the Sunday afternoon. They clearly went out and celebrated, which is right. But a few months ago, and you read into what Rob Key said in his press conference, they've worked on this culture around the England team. It's had a little bit of a public backlash from what happened in Australia, performance-wise and the way that they behaved. Harry Brook in New Zealand, the Noosa three or four-day bender. Wasn't it a great look?

13:37Michael Vaughan: Clearly, over the last few months, they've got together as a management group and gone, right, this is what we're going to do as a team. Signed it off. I was a bit surprised when I heard that Gus Atkinson didn't know about the curfew. No. But I knew about the curfew. Yeah. I think we all knew that England had been put on a curfew, but Gus said he didn't. Yeah, just quickly on Gus, I feel a little bit... I think he might be a little bit hard done by it, because if you do win the game, if you win the game and then your skipper says, do you fancy coming out for a drink? Well, look, I'd sort of think...

14:11You'd be there. Yeah, if my skipper said, hey, come on, come on, cat, we're going out for a drink, mate, I'm going to go skip, I'm with you, boy. You'd like to think that's... I'm just saying that on behalf of Gus. Yeah. I think he might be... And now he's missing a test.

14:23Michael Vaughan: Well, there was, again, stories say that a few of them went out. Yeah. I think it was the Saracens end of season day out, the rugby team. Probably bumped into them, went into two or three pubs. I think I read that it was seven out and five suddenly went, curfew, we've got to go back. Oh, right. So five knew that they needed to get out of there. Obviously didn't say that to you. And clearly two, the captain being one, went, I'm carrying on. And look, the security guard's just going to go where the players go. And the players are going to go where the captain goes. Shouldn't the security guard say, we're out of here?

14:58Michael Vaughan: Well, maybe he did. But when you're dealing with the captain, obviously fancied going on a bit further. That's where there's a... I think curfews never work. Curfews never work. Curfews never work. And one of the main reasons for that is because you've always got to stay for the one for the road, haven't you? It's written in law. Come on, you've got to have one for the road. No, but I mean... You see, the curfew... So let's say there's 10 days off now between that test match and the oval test match. What, they've still got a curfew on that? Well, I think we'll all be in it. We all believe that curfews are a load of bollocks.

15:39Michael Vaughan: We believe that. But fundamentally, when something is put in place, you have to abide by it. Well, of course. It's in place. Yes. I agree. So where do you sit on that? And then the first time of asking... The skipper breaks it. The skipper breaks it. I certainly don't think... I mean, there was a lot of chat about standing down, resigning. I don't think that that was on the cards. I don't think if you break a curfew, that's not a resigning offence, is it? I think there's been a lot going on, Phil, the last week. You know, I think there's... But that's not a... No, absolutely not. I don't think so.

16:16Michael Vaughan: No, I don't. And I hope it's not the last we've seen of Ben Stokes. Absolutely not. I did hear all of this. If you think about the ECB of what they've done... Actually, I target the ECB sometimes with the way that they operate and the way that they dealt with the Harry Brooks situation, I thought, was poor. They brushed it under the carpet, desperately needed Harry for the Ashes, didn't want to expose what happened before the Ashes series, three weeks before. That was November 1st. The Ashes test in Perth started on the 21st. So I think they should have dealt with it quickly there and then. Came out at the end of the series, a bit of a hoo-ha.

16:48Michael Vaughan: I actually think this week they've dealt with this really well. Right. I really do. I think they've got it out there into the pool that they make quickly. Bit of time. You know, I don't think it'll have been easy for Rob Key in particular to deal with this because he's been working with Ben for three or four months on this protocol of making sure that the culture's a little bit better for what they see needs to happen. I did hear... I do think that they had to suspend him. I do think that they need to suspend the captain. Once you break your protocol up, if you don't suspend him for at least one game...

17:21Which they've done. Do you remember a long time ago, the same thing with Ricky Ponting? Yeah. And they got it out there straight away and he was suspended for one game. There's a funny side to this. So when he came back into the team and came out to bat, he goes, standing of air, she goes, get on you, Ricky.

17:38Michael Vaughan: You know, and let's hope, you know, Ben gets that at Trent Bridge. I just read into, you know, if you look at Rob Key's quotes in the week, A lot was the investigation, the process. He was asked four times in the press conference, will Ben Stokes be the England captain? And he didn't categorically say yes. Now, I read into that that, yes, the process had to happen, but if you're in Rob's shoes and you desperately want Ben Stokes back, he could have said yes, as long as the investigation is thorough and nothing else comes out. Well, there's a little bit of back me or sack me, yeah? I agree. A little bit of, come on, I'm the skipper here now.

18:24All right, I messed up. You're going to back me.

18:28Michael Vaughan: Are you saying there's more to come out then? I don't know. I'm just saying from what I heard from the press conference and from the interviews with Rob Keane, he's got to be careful, obviously, but I think Ben Stokes has done so much for English cricket that I thought this week, look, he screwed up. He screwed up and it's a terrible look for the team when the captain breaks the protocol. But I don't know, there's something in me that gets the feeling that I just wonder whether the ECB have kind of gone, OK, is it time to move Ben Stokes out of the way? I hope not. So I think if there's someone that's earned the right to come back as this captain of this team, it's Ben Stokes.

19:05Michael Vaughan: Do you not need to just step back a bit? There's a ruckus in a nightclub. Yeah. It's happened before. And it's going to happen again, isn't it? There's a ruckus in a nightclub. We weren't there. You don't know what's happened. You're surmising and this happened and that happened. We don't know. There's a ruckus in a nightclub. It's not the first time it's happened. In downtime, for a start, go back to the British and Irish Lions. Willie John McBride, one of the great men, captain of the team, there's a ruckus. They've got in a bit of a to-do with Shemozle. Where's the captain? They go and see the captain.

19:43He's got his pipe on Willie John McBride. And they've gone through all the detail of what's happened and he paused, had a little puff. Is there anybody dead? Move on. I'm... Come on, Skip. No, no, this is what I... Come on, Skip. I think, well, we covered one thing, the curfew never works because as soon as that happens, it just gives ammunition to everybody. Yeah. You can't... I don't think you could have been able to brush this under the carpet, but if you didn't have the curfew, then there's no rules broken, is there, in one sense? No. Because then they just... The one thing I think, things I've been thinking about, like the noose a bit, when I saw the picture of that tray of beers going to the lads, was it 2-0 down or 1-0 down the athletes?

20:302-0 down in Sonny's hat at midday, wherever it was, I thought, well, that's not a great look. But the one thing I always think cricket and rugby, in particular have is that we are always, I've always felt the teams very accessible to the public. Absolutely. You know, if you're in the pub and you're having a dinner and stuff, you know, like they've always managed to, you know, people I've always felt can come up to England cricket players and chat and that relationship I think is really important because like, you know, like Saturday club cricket, you know, you play your club cricket and you have a few beers.

21:03I know it's not professional but that's how our culture social aspect of it. Social aspect. And the last thing I'd ever want any England cricket team in the future not to do that. Because I would say some of my great memories, experiences, I'm going a bit around here. I handed Emilio Gaye his cap. I can't actually remember what I said, but something about it was up. It was 10, 15, give me half a chance. And I was like, this cap, you're going to have so many experiences this cap gives you. And some of it's on the field and a lot of it's off the field as well. Absolutely. And some of the memories I've got from playing is, yeah, we won and losing games off the field.

21:45If that was totally taken away from your experience of playing for England, like, it would absolutely change my experience. Yeah, I'd hate that. Yeah, I would. So I think we've got to be really careful about this incident now, saying to, I think if you, clearly, there's always going to be lines across. Cricket's such a funny sport because, you know, you can eat a croissant or you can have a few beers and it doesn't affect your performance. Like a cyclist, all those kind of guys, or a marathon runner, all those kind of sports where everything's so elite. You know, you have to be so careful. But a cricketer is different.

22:17It is a different sport.

22:18Michael Vaughan: But you know, they've brought in a chef. And when I heard about the chef, I thought, well, probably one of the, one thing that English cricket has not had a problem with. No, it's the grub. It's food. You know, and for that, I don't want the England cricket team every night. You play a game of cricket at Lord's at night time. You go back to your hotel and there's a team room and there's a chef cooking your food at night. I actually think the experience of playing for England is going out. Not going leery, but some of those pubs down Primrose Hill on a test now, absolutely fantastic. You have a bit of food and there's some of the supporters there.

22:54Michael Vaughan: I'm sure they can do that as well, but that's my initial reaction about this incident. And all these details which you've just spoken about, we don't know. We still don't know. But Rob Kears, he has said this. Has it crossed my mind to ask him to step down? He said no. Right. So that is, for me, great. That's a backing. But he didn't say, I want him back. What he did say, though, wasn't I'm finding it hard to back this side or something, didn't he? He said, I'm finding it hard to back. Do we need to look at have we been strict enough, even when they win a game of cricket? Is it now time? Here's one for you, Phil.

23:29Michael Vaughan: Is it now time when there's just no alcohol at any time and at any stage? No. I'm not playing. No, I'm not playing. I'm not playing. I've got to go to bed at 12 o 'clock and I can't have a plane. I'm not playing. I'm going to the franchise. I'm going to play for the elephants. Yeah. It's a complex game, cricket. For a cricketer, a test match can go five days and it's a nine or ten hour day. and at the end of that day, you've got 15 of you in your squad plus your back room. There's three of you going out there. Eight of you are going straight to your room. Two of you are meeting friends. It's totally different.

24:12It's a complex game. It's not something that you're gearing up to to have a five-minute hit. It's ten hours. Day in, you're out.

24:22Michael Vaughan: Can you have, though, Two or three days before the game and the game, until the game's complete, curfew, right? Yes. So while you're playing and preparing, there's your curfew. As soon as the game finishes, by the way, and you've got ten days to go, surely you can be mature about the situation. I would hate to think that in England's side, by the way, and we've all criticised them for what happened in Australia, they then win a game of cricket against New Zealand. I haven't spoken about it once yet. No, and that's been the problem for them all week, is that we haven't actually spoken about them going 1-0 up.

24:56Michael Vaughan: It's all been this negative stuff of what's gone off the field. I'd hate to think that you can't go out and have a real good ding-dong. But perhaps... Well, you've got your security fella there, haven't you? I mean, there's not a lot else you could do, is there, apart from just not be so visual. It's very rare that it gets out of hand. Very rare. This is like one of the ones in the blue, man. If it gets out of hand... But the problem with this team is, you know, Harry Brook was punched by a bouncer as well. It's not the first time it's happened. No, but it's happened to this team. Yeah, all right.

25:32Michael Vaughan: If I'm coached to that team, I'd say I've dealt with this internally. Have you got the wrong security? Well, I don't know. The only thing about security is it's not hard. I've dealt with this internally. I've finished with this. What have you done? That's for me to know. Now, you've got to go to the geezer and say, look, I'm going to back you. You're fucked up, big time. Don't do it again because your card's marked. I've got to back you now and we're saying nothing and it's finished. Now we move on. Here you go, Rob Key. Go on, your father, what? My father gave me some very good advice, actually.

26:02He said, do not pick a fight with a man 50 pounds heavier than you. Why are they picking on a 22 stone? So it's all right if they're a little bit smaller so they can win? Yeah.

26:14Michael Vaughan: They're not very good at scrapping, are they? Maybe because they're picking on six foot six and longer. The bouncers and Samoans who are huge. Pick on the little lad. Pick on the little lad. What about the security? Well, I think the security... Again, I'm only going on what I've read. I think the security officer had to have a few stitches. Don't mess with the rugby. Rob Key again. On if he can remain as captain, there are a lot of things to happen before then. We've got to run the investigation, find out what happened exactly. We're in the midst of that at the moment. No decisions will be made until after that.

26:51Michael Vaughan: We just have to let it play out. No decisions have been made on our side. So that is not the backing of, yes, he's coming back. Listen, investigation, shmestigation. You know what I mean? Or whatever it is. You know what I mean? Shmestigation. Whatever it's called, you know. Investigation. Yeah, Bumble said this, and there's been a little ruckus in a nightclub. What is it? What did you call my dad this or something or other? Or something like that. There's been a little bit of a set to. What's the investigation about? Well, Igor, so the cricket regulator. What do we make of this cricket regulator?

27:30Michael Vaughan: Because I think it's, at times, I think it's the biggest cop-out. Bill Riley. What's his name? Bill Riley? I think it's the biggest cop-out. I understand when there's a big process of information that needs to come in over certain issues within the game, but surely, you know, in times like this, It's just down to the CEO and the director of cricket, isn't it? Why does it need to go to the regulator? They're in charge, aren't they? So if everything gets passed to the regulator, what's your job? What's your job? Unless it's a police matter. Well, I don't think it is. No, well, there you go. So if it's a ruckus and it's a bit of pushing about and what have you, if it's a police matter, something a bit more serious has happened, well, perhaps you then need to look into that.

28:11Michael Vaughan: Well, again, I haven't read that the police were called, so I don't think it is. This is just two England cricketers out with a security officer. There's been a ruckus. I can't stand this carpet. Oh, just pass it to the regulator. Yeah, I know what you mean. The investigation. And by the way, by the way, the regulator, let's just put something very clear. Harry Brook, they brushed under the carpet, got fined. He never missed a game of cricket for England. He's played every single game since that moment on November 1st. And by the way, it was on November 1st where all the management found out about it.

28:44Michael Vaughan: Not possibly at the start of the game. I don't think. I think it happened during the game when someone, the coach, got shown the Instagram clip of him out and about and then it all came out. Now, so they knew that from November the 1st. The regulator didn't come into the game, I don't think, until the Telegraph exposed the story at the end of the Ashes. Then the regulator gets it. He gets fine. Jacob Beth and Josh Tom were on the naughty step as well. They've not missed a game of cricket. This time, the skipper, who's just gone out... And Atkinson. And Atkinson, an hour out. Yeah, missed a game.

29:15Yeah. Perhaps the regulator's a bit like... It's a little bit inconsistent for me. A bit like Clueso. Perhaps he comes down... He comes down with a magnet. It's a boom.

29:32You should be the regulator. You should be the regulator. I think you'd be on the side of the player. Clueso. Ah, the parallel bar.

29:45LAUGHTER

29:48Michael Vaughan: The one thing also, I've been surprised. I've been surprised at the captain. Are we not taking this seriously enough? No, we are. We've all made our point. I've been very surprised. Can I make a point? England won, by the way. Correct. We're going to get on to that now. And also, they are youngsters as well. Do you think... Here's one for you. Enjoy themselves. Do you think the captain should have released a statement of an apology? Yes, well, has Ben actually released? He said absolutely nothing. I think as England captain... Maybe he's waiting for the regulator. Yes, probably is. He might not be able to release one until the re-end.

30:18Yeah, until the investigation.

30:19Michael Vaughan: But he's still broken the team's protocol. Maybe he's apologised to the team. Maybe he has. But I just think publicly, just a little statement. Can I get this completely right? This curfew is even in downtime, when you're at home with your wife and kids. That's not the old non-alcohol, but it's going to be a fun time. Is that in downtime, when you're not playing for England? Yeah, exactly. This is funny you say that because someone's obviously phoned up someone, you know, were, listen, something's happened, you know, if the person had said, no, the curfew, once the game's finished, isn't applicable.

30:59Michael Vaughan: Yeah, is this what's on the top? Nothing, what would have happened? The only thing is, on the back of the... You should be a politician. You've got to go back to the Harrybrook stuff. The Harrybrook stuff was brushed and then it got found. It's a terrible look when things come out when you've brushed under the carpet. I'm pretty sure would have found out with the security with a big load of stitches on his... I don't know where it is on his face. Listen, one other thing. I think the ECB have dealt with it in that way, the kind of getting it out there. I've got one other thing, though, as well.

31:32You were saying about the ponting stuff and everything. Now, has there been a little bit of a disconnect between the English public after Australia, you know a lot of people were angry weren't they over in Australia now have they come back there and have they what are they going what the public yeah I don't know actually I haven't actually heard a lot of the guys the only guys I spoke to they're just like they've won a game every person that's what I'm saying they've won a game they should be allowed to do what they want that's what yeah fighting I think there's a huge amount of support rightly for Ben Stokes

32:06Michael Vaughan: yeah I think there's a huge amount of support and that's why you know I just hope that things kind of settle in the next few days and he can come back, plays for Durham. He's going to play for Durham. I don't know who they're playing next week. And he gets some good support and advice. Yes. It's good advice. That's why I'm just a bit put back that he hasn't... I know there's an investigation going on but he's the England captain that did break his curfew, was out too late. I just thought a little statement saying, look, I'm sorry, I broke the protocol. We move on. And also in that statement, because he could get his team to write, I look forward to coming back as captain.

32:42Michael Vaughan: He could put a rider at the end of that. What a night. Yeah.

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34:52Michael Vaughan: Stick to Cricket is brought to you by Betfair. Right, should we talk about the cricket? They won. Yeah, it played well, didn't it? Yeah, yeah, a good game. What about the pitch? Shocker. Absolute stinker. Well, up and down sideways. So it wouldn't have been produced that way, would it? It's just gone wrong. It's a picture gone wrong. The only bit I missed, actually, was... What was all that steaming or something? It was on the screen or something. I mean, I... You were steaming. I wasn't in a fit state to look at it. They kept showing some unusual preparation of the picture. Like a facial? Like steaming?

35:24Have I missed, have I really... I'll tell you what it looked like. You're that drunk, Sir Alistair. No, wasn't there an unusual way of preparing that wick?

35:30Michael Vaughan: Well, they were saying that the week before it was really hot, so they prepared it for what they thought was going to be ready and it probably baked and then they had to put a bit of water on it. I'm guessing they probably had to bake it twice. But they didn't produce that pitch, it's gone wrong. Yeah, it's a mistake. Yeah, they didn't want that. I think so, no, of course they didn't want that. It was a nice touch, we were out there at the end, weren't we? Both of the coaches went up to the groundsman and they were sort of saying, listen mate, it's gone wrong. and the ballers were on top and the ballers will be saying okay this is me and they've still got to perform which they did but it did look weird it wasn't a poor game to listen to I listened to it I listened to that on radio it was a good game seeing T20 create for a long period of time but it can't create but the IPL with the ball flying everywhere I actually quite enjoyed that it was by entertaining it was a bad two or three days for the off stump The off-stamp got battered.

36:33Boys were leaving it.

36:34Michael Vaughan: There was a few... If you look at the tactical side of what England actually did play with a bit of sense at times. Yeah. I loved Jamie Smith coming up to the stumps. We didn't see a great deal of that. I love the short leg being put in first over to Devon Combe. Old school. There was a few little things and tweaks tactically. And good control of the new ball compared to what we saw. Tone setter at the top. Emilio Gay, what a knock. Yeah, nice player. What a knock. Lovely lad, isn't he? Good lad. He's our favourite. We liked him. He came over and said hello. Yeah, he played nicely, didn't he? That 50-odd, 57-odd.

37:13He scored in the right areas. You're looking at an opener and you're going, again, it's so hard to judge on one game in terms of for him and everything, but actually where he scored the runs, you're thinking actually that translates to a lot of... He wasn't smashing the ball through extra cover on the up for the second over, was he? He scored lots of runs behind square. Yeah, and you had to on that pitch and you had to ride your luck a little bit. And he didn't have to sit there and go, oh, God, this pitch is just going to get me out. He said, no, I'm going to have this. I was listening to Vorney saying, this is the basball, play basball.

37:53Don't just wait for one with your name on it. You know, try and disturb the bowlers, disturb the length, the line, and get after it a little bit. I thought Smith had a good game.

38:02Michael Vaughan: Yeah, crucial little not. He looked like he was moving. Sarah Taylor is obviously the fielding coach, keeping coach of Jamie. You could see that they had a bit of a connection. You could see that his movement behind the decks was good. And when he came up to the stumps... Yeah, I thought England adapted way better than New Zealand did to the game. And the one thing you always thought about New Zealand, have always found a way on those kind of games. And actually, they looked a little bit like, God, this is a low-scoring game. They panicked. I thought they panicked, which is unusual. Bad in the field, very unusual.

38:34Did they drop a lot of balls? Of course. They dropped five, didn't they? Absolutely. Well, pretty much goobers. Yeah, and Harry Brook in the first England seven, whatever it was. It was like big drops. But I thought England nipped around, fine. Got bowled out for 1-4, whatever they got bowled out for. They didn't look in any panic. They went, right, this is what we're going to do. where an adaptive situation in New Zealand I thought oh my God this is a nightmare I can't bat on it

38:57Michael Vaughan: that's how I felt Harrybrook got 50 played expansively dropped twice but that was a good way to play on that pitch Glenn Phillips got a few having a bit of a dash Kyle Jameson had a dash got a few Ollie Robinson in the second innings I was amazed in that chase that New Zealand didn't have a bit of a wobble didn't have a little bit but Harrybrook wasn't like running down and dancing hitting over extra covers or like paddle sweeping no paddle sweeping but a bit more... I mean, at 70 on boards, I thought he just took the positive approach, but played with... I was impressed with that England performance.

39:31I agree. It was in a tough situation, tough wicket and under pressure. Yeah. Robins, yeah, huge pressure. Yeah, they were. Huge pressure.

39:39Michael Vaughan: I mean, if you were ever going to produce a pitch for your comeback as an Ollie Robinson-style bowler, he made that pitch himself, too. And then you got... I always think it's amazing how luck plays. Imagine Sam Cook bowling on that. I know he wasn't fit or anything, but you play at the Zimbabwe when it's flat as anything. You play at that Lord's, which keeps low nips, it would have been unplayable. You've got to cope with... He said his legs were like jelly. More nervous... Yeah, he did, yeah. ..balling that first over. He's not playing this next game, is he? No, he's gone. I don't think he's gone out late, he's just got an injury.

40:13Michael Vaughan: Maybe he went out late and they found out and they've got a... Made up an injury. There's not been enough. Is he just missing this game and fit for the next one? That's the report, yeah, that he should be fit for Trenbridge. So neat. I mean, you kind of... You know, yes, you've got to give him a huge amount of credit because you've still got to cope with the pressure of the game, haven't you? Yeah. But I think I heard Brodie say, I agree with him, he said there's probably 25 bowlers in county cricket that would have had a good week last week at Lords on that pitch. Well, yeah. I agree with that.

40:46Yeah, yeah. But having said that, you're the boy with the ball in your head. Correct. You've got to do it. Yeah. What's the attack for this next dash match?

40:56Archer's back.

40:57Michael Vaughan: Well, Archer's... Josh Tong. Josh Tong. By the way, he's England's trump card. He is. I know Gus Axe instead of Oli Rock, but I tell you, Josh Tong is there. Good bowler. What a bowler he is. Left armour. Well, I do it right. He's quite... Well, he'll play. Joffre's going to have to come in. And I don't know if you agree, I'm pretty sure England would have gone the same again if they'd not had the incident and not had the injury. I'm pretty sure that they'd gone exactly the same team for the Oval. So now Joffre is going to probably have to play when he's not got his load. I think they'd like him to have another week getting a bit more load in his legs.

41:35Michael Vaughan: Sonny Baker might make his debut. He's got Pearce, hasn't he? The ball was against Surrey at the Oval last week and Matthew Fisher on his... Fisher's a lot more control now. I'll start looking at a tap thinking, well, actually... Because Tungy, for all his great strengths, his economy rate, I think, is one of the highest... He's got a lot better now, though. But in general, he does... I've seen him go up and up and up, Josh Tungy. He goes at four and over. But you don't mind one going at four and over. If Baker played, you could have a couple going at four and over. Yeah, I mean... But exciting.

42:08Willis play the spinner?

42:09Michael Vaughan: Yeah. You can't think they'll play... Surrey don't play a spinner. They use Dan Lawrence. I tell you what, he could have been in with a shoe. He's in good form. Very good. 500 this year, 400 in the space of, what, a few days? 400 runs in three days. Those are a few tweakers. James Coles has come into form for Sussex. Some are set, lad. Rue. Which one? Which one? Younger one. No, James. James is in the team. He's in the squad. I'll tell you a funny story. This is about parents in the county game. Sorry. So, Thomas Rue, exam on Thursday. So he does his A-level exam. He had to pick up a young second-teamer, Gian Roberts, take him to Trent Bridge because he's in the squad as well.

42:51Michael Vaughan: So he drives up to Trent Bridge. He's driving, is he? Yeah, he's driving. He's 18. Team bus goes in the morning. James Rue's on the team bus. Debbie and Chris Rue, mum and dad, drove James' car up to Trent Bridge. Thomas has driven his little car. James has got a bigger car. Mum and dad drive James' car, get to the ground. James has had to go to England. So he takes his car to England and mum and dad have had to take Junior's car back down to Somerset because he's now on the bus. So you're still carting your kids around. Yeah, different cars as well. Yeah, but James could play. James or Jordan Cox, I would think, will play.

43:31But for purely consistency, you'd have to say James would have to play ahead of Cox. Just because he was in the first quarter. Cox has just got a double. I mean I'd probably go Cox to bat at six if that's where it is that kind of a bit more and Jamie Smith back to seven or yeah either or either or I think you'd probably have to keep no you'd have to go Cox at six but then why does why does then so so yeah why wouldn't Rue was his Rue rare batter last week yeah correct Cox wasn't in Cox hadn't played any red ball I suppose hadn't he he'd just come back from the IPL

44:04Michael Vaughan: I think it'd be harsh on James Rue if Jordan Cox jumps ahead of him but I could understand if England did it on the back of him getting a double Probably you should. Well, I don't know. That's why they pay the big bucks. Marcus North, first decision. Yeah, there you go. Major decision, sorry, not first decision. That's going to be the decision. Spin bowler. I mean, it was... Hang on, who would make that decision? Marcus North truly does his recommendations. Joe Root's the captain. We haven't even mentioned Joe Root's the skipper. Harry Brook was the vice-captain and is the vice-captain, but can't be captain because of what happened in New Zealand.

44:39Michael Vaughan: I mean, Keyes did say that wasn't the only reason. I think he said there's obviously white ball cricket coming up, the World Cup next year. They clearly don't want Harry to be the test captain and the white ball captain. I get that. I get that. Who have they gone to after that? Oh, what about Docky? Oh, no, I don't think I do. What about Jacob? Oh, no, no, no. What about Tongit? Oh, no, he was involved in New Zealand. If Joe Root got injured, what would happen, by the way? Joe, but I think... No, Brookie, that's you, Brookie. Would it? Would it? Yeah, I understand why they haven't done this one they need to bring in a specialist captain But I think that that was a good decision and yes Joe route to the rescue again a safe pair of that Yeah, just imagine that phone call look this has happened We want you to come to you have to come Yeah.

45:33Michael Vaughan: Imagine if it had said that. Well, he wouldn't have. No, he wouldn't. Joe would. He'll do anything for English cricket. Of course. Can you imagine? Well, they'd be going down the old list. No, but I think that that was a wise decision because then just, you know, Joe turns up there. If it had to be, now he... Imagine your first press conference, a test captain. Yes, I think they've got that right. They might have brought a specialist captain in. Like Briers. Right. If they did, right? Tom Abel. He's just got 50. Tom Abel broke his hand. He broke his hand. He got 50 last night, by the way. The Bedford Farmers.

46:10Did you? Bedford Farmers.

46:12Michael Vaughan: I know, first one in six years. Was it a good attack? Who were you playing against? Playing against Stukeley. Who? Stukeley. Stukeley Farmers. No, Stukeley Village. Right. I was actually, I was a little, the captain. What are you doing? Well, I always play the odd game. Yeah. Otherwise, if you don't... I've got two friends. Yeah. Otherwise, you don't get any free potatoes. Well, no, if you don't play during the season, you get, like, cold at the end of the year. You must be shearing as well. Are you shearing? Yeah, we've sheared one lot of our sheep. We're about to shear the next lot. Do you all bring a load of sheep and, like, animals to watch you and, like, support?

46:46Who do you think...? I'm still waiting for you. Anyway, I got a 50, and I'm on first 50 for Bed's Farmers, and I open the bang. How many deliveries? About 200. Why is he against me this week? I've seen him again with Universe Boss in there. No, no, but actually I got 58 of 50 balls.

47:08Michael Vaughan: That's expensive. Floy. Not that. I retired, yeah. I had a chance to get 100. First one since I thought they were not. You would have said that. Just if we were going to pick. Nice and straight. Nice. If England were to bring in a specialist captain, who would it be? A specialist captain. By the way, Tom Abel don't even caps in for Somerset. Yeah, but he has capsules a lot. Yeah, in the past. Who would be that special? I'm still... I would have gone Tom Abel. Tom Abel. Tom Abel. Jimmy Anderson. Jimmy. Jim! It's good that was not meant to length this week. Oh, yeah. Have we got any length? What's happening there, David?

47:44Michael Vaughan: Cricket's gone pear-shaped as well now. You said the cricket was good a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, you said you're flying. Off-field problems, on-field problems. Any other problems? No. Right, no problems. Kane Williamson. Kane Williamson. That surprised me. Yeah, they saw it. Nowhere. Yeah, I mean... Why? I thought when you said it on the WhatsApp, I thought you meant Harry Kane. That's why I didn't. What's he doing? Harry Kane. Harry Kane. I did then say not Harry. I was like... Not now, Harry. Come on, Harry. Shall we go through some of his numbers? Oh, top player. Great player. Right, 110 tests.

48:22Michael Vaughan: Just short of 10 ,000 runs. Average of 54. 33 test centrist High score 2-5-1 One day cricket An average of 48 15 tonnes T20 cricket An average of 33 Strike rate of 123 He's right up there Isn't he? Absolutely One of the fab four Why is he retired? I don't know I think I think he Said doesn't he At Lords He just sat on the balcony And went Nah It does come to you like that Doesn't it? It does come to you Well, yeah, I agree. Obviously, he's just gone, but surely he's just played two. Actually, it might have freed him up. He might have gone like, right, I know this is my last two games. But like when I retired, I felt like it felt like pressure was off in one way and I can just actually go out and enjoy it.

49:10But having then said that, you know... Mid-series, I thought mid-series. Yeah, mid-series. Mid-series, like... It's going to create a bit of sort of, you know, I don't know. He will say that it's because he doesn't want to... He feels like he's not emotionally there, so he might as well go now.

49:27Michael Vaughan: I liked it. And I think it tells you exactly who he is. He's such a little under-the-radar, low-key. He just thought, I've had enough. I think if... But he's not left his mates, hasn't he? That's how hard I felt, isn't he? Yeah, but I just think he obviously hasn't... You need that... He's obviously got a very calm exterior, but inside you need that fire, don't you? And he's obviously fired. The fire's probably burnt out. I just thought, no. The only thing, I was like mid-series leaving your mates. Yeah, but if he had carried on to the rest of the game, someone would have found out that he was potentially going to do it.

50:00Michael Vaughan: Is he going home? I don't know. Is he going home? Does he stay with the team? Or has he got to Paris? Is he playing? I would think he'll. If he's at the Oval this week, something will happen for him, won't he? I'm sure there'll be a presentation. Would you want him around the team? I think someone like him, yes. Well, he's an advisor in the IPL, isn't he? as a strategic advisor for the Elephants. Like now? Is he? Look now, yeah. Maybe he's... That's with Alfie Langer, isn't it? Do they finish bottom? They finish bottom. Maybe they don't want him around. I admire players that suddenly go, nah, well, they don't want the fanfare.

50:39Michael Vaughan: He had the fanfare at the Oval. What a finish for Mr Sheff. But there's not many get that. No, it does come on you, though, doesn't it? I mean, everyone says when you're just thinking about retiring, don't they? You know, they said, you do get that moment and I sort of got it. But does he get one? Not for 150, most of them. I've played at Lord's and it's all over the hockey. Get the Oval, it's flat as. It does, yeah. Who replaces him, do you reckon? Do you think they'll go Santner? Play a spinner, just put everyone at one. Or do you think they'll go, Will Young's been brought into the squad? You're thinking England won't play a spinner?

51:14Michael Vaughan: No. So why would New Zealand play Santner? They've got Glenn Phillips. They've got Glenn Phillips. I think they'll bring the Barons. Bring Will Young. Will Young's been added to the squad. Will Young?

51:27Look... Not him. What do you say? Popeye Doe. Popeye Doe. What was his famous song, Will Young? Leave Right Now. Leave Right Now. Oh, he's got it in the motor. He's right now, replacing Kane Williamson. Leave Right Now. Kane Williamson's got it. Great player, though. Great player. Great fantastic servant of New Zealand cricket. Great ambassador. One of the things that I remember actually, captain of the World Cup, wasn't he? When there was all that, you know, shamoz all going on, no one quite knew who'd won and not won and everything. Took it, you know, completely as you'd expect. And the best player I've ever seen him playing the ball late.

52:04Never seen anyone like him. You talk about playing under your eyes, Jesus. Yeah. He was like, he did play under his eyes.

52:13Michael Vaughan: Stick to Cricket is brought to you by Betfair. Shall we just change topic? Surrey Vancey's been picked. We've got Kate Cross and Alex Hartley coming on in a minute just to talk about the T20. What? Why? His back lift. Right, show us. I've seen him. I've seen him. Didn't we discuss this? Yeah, we did, yeah, but it's more than that. I've been studying it. Yeah, you've seen it. Yeah, it's good, isn't it? Yeah, I've seen it. Yeah. I've seen it. BC was there, wasn't it? Yeah. Like that. He's there. Yeah, he is. He's there. Baseball style. Yeah. Baseball, that. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Babe Ruth. I saw it.

52:54Michael Vaughan: I saw it. You've seen that clip, haven't you? I have, yeah. Some guy dissected it. He's like, he's like, he's like, and it's that elbow. Usually you keep everything tucked in on wheels. As you say, with Liv, he's sort of like going there, there, there. Sort of guts and arse. You know what I mean? He's there. He's got a waggly chicken wing. Huh? Eh? He doesn't do that often. Yeah, so it's good to see him in the T20 squad for India. Do you remember Livy? He's playing well for Lancs, isn't he? Very well. Livy in the T20 squad. Fyfer! He's been smoking. And he got fyfer, yeah. He got fyfer. He said that India could potentially win the T20 World Cup with four teams.

53:34Michael Vaughan: Right? A little sort of artist jacket. It's quite nice. Sorry, mate. It is a nice jacket. I've got four teams that someone's picked for India. I see that. Right? So India to win the T20 World Cup and the teams are... Well, I look at this. Should we start with team four? Yeah. So this is their fourth 11. Is this in order? Yeah, so some guys picked India's four T20 teams. So to win the World Cup. Fourth 11, I'll have a... Fourth 11. The 62-year-old. No. Yeah, Prat Simran Singh at the top. Yassi Shui-Jahiswal. Jahiswal gets team four. Vinkatesh Aya at three. At number four strolls in Rishabh Pant in the fourth eleven.

54:19Fourth eleven? Fourth eleven?

54:20Michael Vaughan: Rian Parag at five. And then we go down to Yuvit Chahal's leggy. Yeah. Krishna, the quickie. Mohsin Khan's skill. So there's your fourth eleven. Third eleven, Kael Rahul, Sai Suddathana at the top. Right. Juv Durel coming in at number four. Rinku Singh. Jesus, that's the third eleven. Ravi Bishnoi's in that team as well. Who, the seamers? The seamers in that one. Prince Yadav. Yeah, lively. Anshul Kamboj, yeah, skilful. Team two, you know, not bad. Shubman Gill, Surivanchi, he gets in team two. He's in team two. He doesn't make the... Look, this is some guy that's picked all these four teams. Shreyas Aya, who...

55:02Michael Vaughan: Good player. He's the skipper in there. Who's keeping in team three? He's the skipper in the Tour to England, but he's been put in team two. Then you've got Washington Sundar, Kuldeep Yaraf's in that team Mohamed Siraj Bhubaneswar Kumar Team 1 he's put Sanju Samson at the top Abhishek Sharma Ishan Kishin Surikumar Yaraf who's just been dropped by the way Tilik Varma Dube Pandya Patel Chakravarti Arsdeep Singh Jasbit Bumbra that's Team 1 so they're the four teams that can win India the T20 World Cup I don't think Team 4 would win it but I think they'd get semi-finals at least I think Team 3 could make the final.

55:46Michael Vaughan: Who keeps in team 3?

55:50Michael Vaughan: Drew Durell in Team 3, Pan in Team 4. Jiti Sharma in Team 2. Sanju Samson in Team 1. Pan in Team 4? Pan in 4? Yeah, so that... I mean, we're all about the clicks. And saying that India won't win a World Cup again in our lifetime, I'm sticking by it in T20 cricket. I was thinking where are we playing this World Cup well where is the next T20 World Cup that must be when's that we've got a 50 over in South Africa and Zimbabwe next year so it must be a year after is it Zimbabwe I think it is Zimbabwe isn't it must be South Africa so it'll be a year after that I think it's Australia I think it's in Australia Australia New Zealand do you think there'll come a time when India will have an India A Like back in the day when Australia were made in the Tri Series.

56:47Yeah, that's right. They did beat us. Australia, eh? Yeah, they had Lehman, Bevan, Stewie Law. Stewie Law. Yeah, yeah. So there was one of them, there wasn't a final. No. I was there. I was there. I was there. I was there. Lost in the final. Yeah, that was a great, they had a good call. Aidan opened the batting for him. She'll get Lehman in here. Yes, yeah, he will.

57:14Michael Vaughan: I've been on to Darren. Yeah, lovely. We've got some good guests. I tell you, we've got coming on. One of the great bowling partnerships of all time will be coming into the studio soon. Right. Bowling. Have a guess. Kate Cross and Alex Hartley. They're coming in soon. Great combination. A bit taller than those two. Oh, I know. Ambrose and Walsh. Walsh, yes. Ambrose and Walsh. Walsh, yes. Both of them. Jesus. Don't sit in next to the girl. Lads, what went well in the last show with the cricket district clips? You know the clips from bit of cricket? Might get some of you actually playing for your farmers.

57:51Michael Vaughan: From the world of village cricket, we've got a few more. David Hartley in Boxmore. Oh! The big lad in mid-on! What a grab! Let's see that again. I want to see that again. What's the big fella? Oh, that is a good catch by the big lad. Oh, that's a great catch. I presume that's... Dwayne Leverock. Yes. Slip McLaure. Nolan Dorridge. What's that? Nolan Dorridge. That's Birmingham League, isn't it? No, they play. Birmingham... Borwich are used to play there. Are they not players? Nolan Dorridge. Looks green, doesn't it? He's green, isn't he? A little leggy. Oh, he's had... Oh! Oh, I knew it! Oh, no.

58:33He's dropped to goober and booted it. Why do they not run? They 201 for one Yes, children 1212 one two three four five. Oh watch U5 My old mate Graham thought did that it did run to didn't know he booted it Riley Ward of Tamworth to Perth Oh, it's wide. Oh, that is a catch. You should be leaving that though, shouldn't you? Well done, Wardy.

59:06Michael Vaughan: Tom, who's he playing for? Enfield. Oh, I used to play for Enfield. No, that's not Enfield. I wonder if this is Enfield. Oh, no. Where's that gone? That's out, isn't it? Don't catch it. What do you mean it's out? We're handled ball. The batsman's handled it. What, are you giving that out? The non-strike? Come on, don't put it out if he catches it. No, it's a dead ball. Oh, is it dead ball? No, he's completed his action. Oh, we like them. I think the first one might... Or the slipper. What do you think? Yeah, I like this one. Let's go back to Dave. Gets the old Rizla paper under the feet. Look, you can get the old Rizla under there.

59:44Look, of course. Oh, Dave, that's our favourite. Dave at mid on. Well done, Dave. Yeah, well done, Dave. Well done, Dave.

59:54Michael Vaughan: Stick to Cricket is brought to you by Betfair. Right, the girls are on the way. I've just had it in my ear. They're coming down the corridor. Langs watch, come on. We might as well do a Langs watch. Come on. I'll be out for Andrew Andrews as well. Well, they're Langs, aren't they? Let them tell you. Let them tell you. What's going on? Yeah, ask them. You've been at Scarborough this week, haven't you? With Geoffrey. I went with Geoffrey. It was brilliant. Scarborough was fantastic. What would you do for Langs cricket now? I can't see how they go up from their position now. Well, the three-day loss at Blackpool versus Kent.

1:00:28Oh, Kent beat?

1:00:29Michael Vaughan: Here they come, I can hear them. Here they are! There they are! How are we? All right. Nice to see you. Lang's watch. We're on Lang's watch. Shall we go? Come on. Anyway, nice to see you. I don't want to get too close to Bumble. How's it going? All cool? All good, thank you. Well, it started well. Yeah, well... Crowds have been good. Yeah. Danny White-Hodge. Yeah, very good. Very good. India-Pakistan, that was a huge crowd. 18 ,000. Yeah. It was always going to be, though, wasn't it? Yeah. And it sounded as if it was mainly Indian. It was sea of blue. They kept saying it's a sea of blue. Yeah.

1:01:09It was a slow burn in the build-up to it, wasn't it? Because we were talking about we've not seen the advertisement anywhere and is it actually happening? And then a week before the tournament, you couldn't move from it. It's driving down the M6 and it's everywhere. I actually had a game in Birmingham on Saturday, so I went to the game on Friday and it was just everywhere when you drove into the city, which was great to see. But, yeah, I thought the first game was a great game. England started it as well as they probably could have done. Yes, they could. That's right. Are they... I mean... See, I haven't seen any of the cut, as in, like...

1:01:41I saw the thing or two... I was telling people it was on and they're like, what do you mean it's on? So that's what I was like in the build-up to it. I still think it's like it. And I think it could definitely be better. I think, you know, the Football World Cup being at home would be everywhere, wouldn't it? Blasted everywhere. The Roses. The Roses playing last year. There was flags all around Media City. You couldn't move from it. I've not seen a flag in Media City about the World Cup, but that's only where I'm looking. They had Waterloo Bridge, though, didn't they? Didn't they stop Waterloo Bridge or something?

1:02:12Yeah, a bit odd, that one. That was a launch, wasn't it? Sunday afternoon launch. They had a bus with all the advertisements on it, but because London Bridge is like lanes and cornered off the bikes, they couldn't get the bus sideways, so you couldn't even read the advertisement on it.

1:02:29Michael Vaughan: But England are looking strong. Yeah. On our pod we said last week, it's the best they've played all summer, I would say. In fact, best they've played for about 18 months, I reckon. What, in the first game? Yeah, slickest in the field, bowled well, batted well. Obviously, Nat Back is such an asset for them. so yeah but yeah they looked good but they went under pressure in that first game against Sri Lanka so no yeah easy start and then they've got Ireland and Scotland next so an easy run into the group before they play West Indies and New Zealand last and they've got quite a nice little route to the semifinals yeah yeah yeah it's like it's almost been made for England to make a home No.

1:03:10Home World Cup semi-final. That doesn't go on, does it? Does it top two go through? Yeah. There's no Super 8s or group. Well, it's the other group that might be a bit tricky, mightn't it? Yeah, that's the group of death, isn't it?

1:03:20Michael Vaughan: Yeah. Little death. So one of Aussie... I can't see Aussie will get knocked out in that group. South Africa. South Africa, they beat the South Africans quite well, didn't they? There's a good point about South Africa, though. They always start slowly. Yeah. They always have a 60 goal out early in the tournament and then they gain the momentum, so that's why I feel like they've always made semi-finals in their last three ICC tournaments now. A lot of people fancy South Africa. Yeah. But it's just that group, they've got to get out of that group. And starting against Australia is always going to be tough, but the Aussies bookend their group with India.

1:03:56So they started with South Africa and then finished with India, so they're their biggest two games, but they're first and last. So the South Africa-India game becomes the biggest game. So there's going to be one out of Australia, South Africa-India, not going to... I've got India. Who's going to win? Who's going to win it? Australia.

1:04:12Michael Vaughan: No! England can beat... England, yeah. I think Australia still have the stronger side, but you know what T20 cricket's like? It brings everyone closer together. England play the way they did against Sri Lanka for the whole World Cup, then I have no doubt that they can go on and win it. I just think Australia are still... The captain, Sophie Mellon, left arm spinner all rounder, batting it 11. I bet she went down the slippery pole, so she wasn't due to bat 11. Apparently she sat there and she was like, who's after me? And Georgia Ware was like, no, you're last. That's it. That's it. We finished with him in there.

1:04:45Michael Vaughan: So wait a minute, she's batting in the position that he did. Yeah. Yeah? She didn't even realise she'd fallen that down. Crucial, right? You need a bit of power at number 11. Sometimes you need someone to get you across the line. Did you ever get a side across the line? Like when you were like nine down? Nine down. Did you? Many times. Many times. Yeah, middle six once. Against? What were your top scores? Many times, Middlesex ones. Against who? I want to know who it was. I want to know the circus. I played out for a couple of draws a couple of times. Yeah. Like half a day. The block-up. Not half a day, a good session.

1:05:23Can someone check that? We've got half an age of session in ten seconds. A good session. Two overs? Against Derby. I reckon half an hour. Yeah. Did you have a drink? You get a drink, bring me a drink. No, no, don't not have a drink. Or change my gloves or move the sight screen, never done anything. Can I ask a question?

1:05:38Michael Vaughan: Do the women's team have a curfew? No. No. Well, they can't break it then, can they? No. We treat adults like adults, right? What do you reckon? Gabby Dators. We've had our discussion on obviously what's happened and the curfews and we don't agree with curfews. No, you don't, do you? I just don't get it. But I would argue that the women's environment is a very different environment to the men's. Oh, OK. Yeah, there's not as much drinking in general. Like it normally is you have one big blowout at the end of a tour. So it's not like a consistent, you know, stay into it. So if you win a test or if you win a one-day game, what is it?

1:06:17Yeah, you'd have a few drinks in the bar after the game or in the dressing room and then that would be... Well, then all just sort of dispersed. There's never been a time in the last four years since I've retired where I go into town after a game. Sorry, I do go into town after a game as a commentator and I've never bumped into the England girls unless it's the last day of the series.

1:06:35Michael Vaughan: But you'd bump into the men? All the time. Right. Yeah. Snitches get stitches, Al. I'm not saying who I bump into. No, no. There you go. Yeah, it's... I always think that if you're having a curfew, you're kind of not picking the right people. Because surely if you pick the right people or you build the right people into the right culture, you shouldn't need it. When you're growing up and your parents told you not to do something, you'd go and do it, right? So we were having this discussion probably at the same time you were. They say I have a curfew, you can't come back after 12. You go, go on, let's see if we can.

1:07:11Surely.

1:07:12Michael Vaughan: You were the naughty one in the classroom, weren't you? Yeah, but I was sweet and never got told off. Got away with it. I used to blame it on Cookie. It was his fault. I was having a drink late one night with the football manager. I'm talking about 2 o 'clock in the morning. And we were in a downstairs bar. and the windows opened and two players come in through the window as the manager sat there. Two players, two international footballers. Obviously, I'm not going to mention who they were. Who did they pay for? But the... Coventry City. I bet you I know who they are. He was out. I was out. He was there.

1:07:55I bet I know who that was. I bet I do. I'll tell you afterwards.

1:07:59Michael Vaughan: Oh, come on, manager. Coventry. Coventry manager. Oh, years, years. Not a big ride. Oh, they want, mate. Sillit? Sillit? What was his name? John Sillit. John Sillit. Won the Cup, didn't he? Was he 87? Keith Houchen at the near post against Tottenham. Flying header. Sillit, yeah. Talking football, talk about your dad. Yes. Talk about dad. Golden boot winner. Golden boot winner. My brother actually buried the golden boot in the back garden when he was about six. He used it as a spade and my dad had lost it. And then, like, two weeks later... Who's your Bob? Yeah, digging up the roses and my dad's had his own golden boot in the back garden.

1:08:35LAUGHTER That's not good. Where's that golden boot gone? Where's that gone? Yeah. Didn't you used to go down and meet the players? I don't know. West Ham? Why did you choose cricket? You should see me. She's got Tobler on finger. Oh, really? Yeah, lettuce foot. No, that's she got. Lettter foot. Shocking. Um, no, dad was way retired by the time I... I was a mistake, so I came along a little bit later. So it was Bobby that saw the back end of his career. No, Dad was heavily involved with Oldham when I was... That was the team that I supported when Dad was assistant manager there. So I used to go and meet all the players there.

1:09:13Oldham? Oldham, yeah. What happened to New Zealand's fielding the other night? Oh, my God! What happened? Go on, Crossy. I was watching a little bit of it. You watched... It was the worst fielding display I've ever seen. Ever seen? Ever seen, ever. And it was like contagious, wasn't it? It just went through the whole team. I saw a couple because we're doing every day of the World Cup. So Crossy will watch a game. I'll watch the next one so that we don't have to watch cricket all day. So you did that one. And I just had it on in the background. And I saw a couple of dropped catches. And I was like, I thought I'd seen in the earlier games, the Scotland Island game, I thought I'd seen the worst bit of fielding we'll ever see in the competition.

1:09:51Because a couple of the girls had run in, gone over their heads, bounced for four. And I was like, oh, it never looks good, does it? And then New Zealand topped it. and we're only on day three. But that was probably the biggest upset of the tournament so far because West Indies beat the champions. I mean, they surely had to because they must have thrown... They threw ten down, didn't they? Chanel Campbell. Dropped ten and two missed stumptings or something, was it? Yeah, and there was one ball that got thrown back to... Like, thrown back in to stop a turn. It went into the middle of the pitch.

1:10:23It didn't go anywhere near a wicketkeeper or a ball. It was that bad.

1:10:26Michael Vaughan: Oh, yeah, I remember about that. That's how bad it was, it was just they were all over the place. And then Campbell got 90 off 60, just played 155 games for West Indies and never got above 50. So, like, they shouldn't have won West Indies. She kept smacking Kerr, didn't she? Yeah, Kerr went at 10. What about the size of these flags? What are the fucking flags? Oh, my God, it's the best thing I've ever seen. Did you see the size of the not-flags? What flags? So the flags they have before a game, They've got 80 kids or young adults holding these flags down. They're massive. Right. And then... What, on the two sides when you walk out?

1:11:05Two sides. England flag, Australia flag. 80 people holding them down. ICC flag in the middle. At Old Trafford, it was too windy to have the flags. Right. So they had these flags that... Sizer's tabler. Yeah. And there's like six kids like clinging onto it, yeah. Do you know what? Like Jimmy's sign. Like Jimmy Anderson's sign. Do you know what suffers? Just so you can see the difference. I haven't seen the flags. Day one to day two of the flags. Oh, that's not good, is it?

1:11:39Well, they got the big ICC one. They kept that one. Apparently it was too big. Oh, brilliant. Have you seen that one? That is brilliant. What are Charlotte Edwards' strengths? What are her strengths? Lottie's strengths. Charlotte Edwards' strengths. She's ruthless. Right. Yeah. She, I think, yeah, she's not scared. It's not a serious conversation. Honestly, I've been laughing at that for a day. Do you know when the teams come out, they're all serious. We'll come back to show the Tenwoods in a minute. Teams are coming out for national anthem. It's all serious. You've got to stand up and, you know, take it serious.

1:12:16What's happening? I was laughing. Let's have a look. No, but what is that? You can't see this. Why does that happen?

1:12:21Michael Vaughan: Let's have a look. Crossy, let's have a look. The top one's the big flags, yeah? No, it's not a play, it's a picture. That's like day one. That's how they should be. They win these. No! I think they've panicked and they've Amazon primed it because they've not got the big flags. They've been in Southampton, they've gone somewhere, they've gone to the wrong place. How does everything happen? They've got the wrong measure of the last year. Yeah. It's been like getting a 34 pair of jeans instead of a 32 pair of jeans. And then the next game, I'm like, right, I'm on flag watch because there was rumours that the big flags were going to come back for the next game, Australia, South Africa.

1:12:55No, they had just a woman on each end holding the flag and it was windy, to be fair, but I was like, bring back those tiny flags because it's the best thing I've ever seen at a tournament.

1:13:05Michael Vaughan: I'm going to study them now. So we got a message on the pod and there was 80 people, volunteers, that had come down. They'd travelled, they'd booked hotels to hold the flags and then 74 of them are sat in the crowd watching. It'd be even better if 80 were on the news. Or with little fingers like that. Can we get on to Lottie Edwards? Great question. Lottie's strengths. She's ruthless. She's very ruthless. I thought you mentioned that. Yeah, it got talked over a little bit. She's, I mean, her record when she played for England spoke for itself and she's one of the greats of the game. So she knows how to win games of cricket.

1:13:44I think when she came into this role, she thought it was a really simple fix because we'd just lost John Lewis. after the Ashes. And she spoke about fielding, didn't she? Fitness, fielding, and girls playing county cricket. They were her three headlines when she came in, that the county game's really important. And then within 12 months, it all changed. So I think she came in and thought, I can do this overnight, and I know how to help the team win. So I think it's probably been a bit more difficult for her than she might have initially thought. Obviously, I've not spoke to her about it, but that's kind of my view of it.

1:14:20Does she pick the team? Is she the dominant one? So there's her, Lydia Greenway, I'm guessing that's... Oh, Lydia, yeah. Lydia's a selector, so I guess the three of them, maybe a couple of others, pick the team. But she's win at all costs, and what I like about her is that, like Crossy says, she is ruthless, but if you're not doing certain things right, you're not going to get picked. Or if the pitch doesn't suit you, even though you're the world's best bowler, you're not getting picked you're going to play someone else so you said she came in and said about county cricket fitness and now 12 months later what else has she done or she just doesn't think that's right so then girls miss cricket at the start of the year there was a lot of talk around the girls missing the start of the county season so they've had no international cricket since the World Cup in October they've had a few tours amongst themselves and training camps and then start of the summer girls are missing county cricket to go off and do army camps for team building and so like you'd think as soon as you must have heard about the army camp

1:15:17Michael Vaughan: I've seen a bit of that, yeah. What, instead of playing? Yeah, so they missed 50 over cricket. I know it's a T20 World Cup year, but for me, the best prep for cricket is playing cricket. Funny that. You've seen it. Not getting shouted at by 50 army people. Why is it right in cricket? When we all step back from doing our day-to-days, we all think the same stuff. We all go, well, to get better at cricket, you generally play cricket, but then... Has that changed? When you're in the position of leading the national team... You're doing exactly different. Why is that? When you played playing cricket, got you better at cricket, surely?

1:15:56When you played playing cricket, got you better at cricket. I'm pretty sure when I was playing, playing cricket got me better at cricket. So when did it change? I suppose the only thing is that when you're in that position, everyone plays a lot of cricket anyway. So they have gone like, well, they can keep netting, they can keep playing counter cricket. Let's just take these girls and do something different just for three days because what's the harm of doing it for three days? But did you see Nasser's comment about resting Lindsay Smith in the first game of the India Series, was it? And he was like, she's just had six months off.

1:16:26She had played in the Big Bash, to be fair, so she'd been away through January, but she'd not played any... Was that an old case of just trying to see someone else play? I think Lottie had got to the point, by the time the India Series started, I think it got to the point she was playing the team she wanted to play through to the World Cup. It was only that Nat wasn't fit, so they had to sleep in the top five. Yeah, that was on it. I thought she was just having a look to see if a different combination might work. No, she got told that she was rested. All right. Yeah, but you always give some excuse.

1:16:55But if I was in Lindsay's position...

1:16:57Michael Vaughan: No one gets dropped anymore. I always get dropped. Yeah, me too. You're dropped, Phil, you're dropped. Crossy would get dropped for me and I'd get dropped for Crossy. We just handed the bib to each other every now and then, yeah? And then when I got deselected, whatever it was, I got sent home. No one gets dropped. Got sent home in the middle of a series. And my contract was up in the September and it's, what was it, July? Playing the West Indies. Just at Taunton? This was at Worcester. It was family day. And I got the tap on the shoulder saying, you can go home. And I'm like, oh, fucking hell, that's it.

1:17:33My career's over. So I go into the changing room and Crossy just hangs my bib in my place and just writes a little note saying, see you later. That was the end of my career, never went back. and then she posted on Instagram a legacy and just my bib hanging up in the dressing room.

1:17:50Michael Vaughan: A legacy. A legacy, I love it. Right, No Bulls podcast. Yes. I see you've had a move. Yeah, we've relaunched. Yes. Big money move. Yeah, was it a big transfer, was it? Big transfer. Deadline day, yeah. Yeah, getting paid nothing for it anymore. We're raising money now. Oh, so it's costing you now. It's been a good move. Your guys are like, you've not got a betting sponsor, have you? I was like, we don't have a sponsor. We don't have a studio, we don't have anything. You've got a studio, I've seen it. Yeah, we hired that. Right. It's been going for... Started in 2019. Yeah. Do you have one of those surprises?

1:18:28We might start. Doing it at Old Trafford? Yeah. You're not in charge, though. You can't make that decision. Bumble was here. We'll still have to pay Old Trafford, I imagine. Oh, surely. Fuck off. As VP, come on. Anyway. Pull rank. Yeah, too rank. Oh, come on. Pricey's the man. Go have a word with Pricey. James Price. We will. We're never in the same place. You're lucky you've got us together. Yeah, but you're near to Old Trafford, aren't you? You live near to Old Trafford. Yeah, but Al's always on the road commentating now and I'm busy playing still, so we're never actually together. So we just do it all on Zoom.

1:19:04It's going well. The relaunch is going well. I think it's been good for us, hasn't it? Yeah, it has. Someone said to me the other day, I can't get away from your podcast. I was like, that's why we moved. We want to just hammer people online and then just annoy them. Like, when I'm flicking through and I see yours all the time, I'm like, God, that's what I want ours to be like. And we're seeing, like, Brodie and Joss talking about women's cricket and we're like, that's our space. We should be the first voices talking about that, so that was one of the big reasons.

1:19:27Michael Vaughan: And it's a weekly show? Yes. It's every day during the World Cup. Every day? Every day. Don't get any idea. What do you do? Just talk about flags? Yeah, that's it. It's flag watch every day. Flag days. Flag days, that's it. Every day. Do you get stuck in as well? We will do, as the tournament goes. You got stuck in, didn't you? I don't mind getting stuck in. But you did, as a broadcaster, which was great. And now Cross is... You just come out and said, they're not fit enough. It's as simple as that. Went down well, didn't it? Went down really well. She spoke up and I've lost my contract, so...

1:19:59But... I mean, she's done a job. Absolutely. Just done a job. Absolutely. It's what I do. Yeah, it put me off for a month or two. I bet one or two of them give you the, I'm not talking to her. Do they still not speak to you? There'll be a few that won't want to speak to me. Get off.

1:20:15Michael Vaughan: None of us like to be criticised. No. Do you think in the women's game they take it even more personally? Yes. Than the men? Yeah. I've had loads of incidences with the men, which is just the nature of our jobs now, but I've seen what you've had to go through for making a fair assessment at times. I think because it's not really happened in the past. And during that time, I had ex-players and management and coaches text me saying, thank you for speaking out. And I was like, any danger of one of you backing me up? And they were like, no. Yeah. All scared to back me up. And also the game has changed so much over the last three or four years.

1:20:53Yeah. From where it was 15, 20 years ago to now actually proper professionals, proper standards need to be adhered to. If you're going to operate in that sphere, You have to get criticised. Not have to get criticised, but... Are you going to? Because it's a way more publicised game. There's way more interest in it. I think if one of us said something now, it wouldn't be as bad as it was 18 months ago. I really don't. Well, Kate's still playing, so she's... You're not going to say that. Yeah, but I'm out of the England environment now, so... Is that it done now? Yeah, finished. I'm not sure you can...

1:21:24You can in your podcast, but just as a player, you've got to be very careful. Yeah, of course, because I'm still going to share dressing room with some of the girls like danny gibson's my captain in the uh for the sunrisers now this summer but when i was when that happened in the ashes i was in that dressing room and then we were like well we can't podcast about this now because she's public enemy number one and i'm still well i had a back injury and i was trying to play why did you think that just blew up didn't it just completely yeah but then do you think the truth hurts yeah

1:21:54Michael Vaughan: of course this does doesn't it i think the truth hurts most when you know it's true though that's the problem. So I think that was what the issue was with the Ashes series, was that it came, Al spoke and it probably hit a few people a bit too hard. So that was why it almost became bigger. If that wasn't an issue and it was just Al's opinion, then it would have just been... She basically hit the nail on the head, didn't she? Well, and then Charlotte Edwards has come in and said exactly the same thing. She said brilliantly, she said something along the lines of, it shouldn't, it's just a non-negotiable.

1:22:23Why was it ever a thing? Why has it ever been not a problem? Because you are going to have periods where your cricket takes priority and your fitness doesn't or whatever, you got on tour for however long. But she was like it's just an unnegotiable, it's just part of being an athlete. You see it with the Men's England team now, but everyone then becomes labelled so everyone in that dressing room probably goes out and drinks, ruining the curfew. But it's actually only a few people that have made the headlines and I think that's what happened with the ashes like 90 % of the team are actually doing things brilliantly, but then the people that weren't were almost the ones that were creating a few problems.

1:23:00Michael Vaughan: Stick to Cricket is brought to you by Betfair. A few community questions to finish this week's... Who are these from? Miss C. Edwards? This one's... B. Stokes. B. Stokes. Where's the best place to go out in Chelsea from a B. Stokes? I know a little bar crawl they can do. Yeah. No, Women's World Cup finalists. I think England, Australia. Yeah. Take that. Yeah. I think England, Australia as well. Does that mean that... How does that work though? I think England will finish top of their group. Australia will finish their... Yeah. So England will play... Who do you think England will play in the semis?

1:23:44Michael Vaughan: South Africa. Beat South Africa and Australia will beat India in the semis. I think England will play India in the semis. And Australia will play the West Indies for me. Right. And then England, Aussie final at the home. That would be so good. What do you think the pitch will be like? Rubbish. Sticky slow. I've heard they're moving it to the nursery ground. Here's one for you. Who are the five players to look out for the women's T20 World Cup? Freya Kemp for me. From England. Jump in when you get an answer, Al. Oh, right. I thought you were going to go then. Is there any Indian superstars at 14 or 15?

1:24:23No, there isn't. No. No. Richard Goss. Yeah, Richard. I always find when people say, who are the five to look out for? They're the best players, aren't they? You say they're the best players. But they're the most exciting in my mind. Yeah. Danny's done it for years and years and years and we know what we're getting with her and she's consistent, but Kempe's a young player who will play cricket for England for 15 years if she wants to. Injury permitting. Should we do one from each team? Is that what we're going to do? Try. Shemaine Campbell? No, she's not going to do anything again. Was it Annika Bosch who scored?

1:24:5590 in a semi-final. Put the nail in her coffin. I said she won't do that again. She's not even in the World Cup squad now. She's playing for Asics, I think, in the blast. Nadine de Klerk. South African. South African. I saw Alice Clark last week. Oh, yeah? She's not in the World Cup squad. Playing bloody well. Did she? She's on loan, I think. Are you a Yorkshire fan these days? Well, I'm more welcome there than up at Old Trafford. There you are. Yeah, don't get going on that. Well, I'm just asking. You've got a Scarborough Mr Geoffrey. The governance of the club is completely wrong. You live in York.

1:25:28You're running the club are a joke. Move on. Joke? Well, what's the team... What's the team to look out for apart from those? Yeah, no, dark horse team. Scotland. Yeah, I think Scotland could make the semi. Scotland? So Scotland are in England's group, so there's a good chance that they could. If they beat New Zealand, then they could be semi-finals. Oh, brilliant. Is that the Bryce girls? Yeah, Bright Sisters. Scotland have got a good side. At Lancashire. Darty Carter, young talent. She's opening the bat in. Can England steal any of these players next time? Well, we've given one back. We've given Kirsty Gordon.

1:26:03Yeah, she's got back. She played for England five years ago. Played at the 2018 World Cup out in the West Indies. Well done, Scotland. That's brilliant. Yeah. What about the Irish team? Rubbish. Won't win a game. No, they will. They won't win a game. They won 17, haven't they? Yeah, they are. No, they're not. She's morphed into... Look at these two, I'm good. Who's in the group? No. Ireland's group is Scotland, Ireland, England, West Indies, Sri Lanka and New Zealand. They'll beat the West Indies. No chance. They will. West Indies will. No chance. They will. I'm telling you. She just morphed into Fred Truman.

1:26:40Michael Vaughan: Bubbish. They won't win again. Let's change sports. England versus Croatia. World Cup football. What's going to happen? Sidecrow. Well, I've got... Modric's still playing, isn't he? Is he? No, he's 40. He's still playing, Modric, isn't he? He's still playing. Yes. Well, rub that out, Jimmy's 43. Yeah, he's still playing. I've got Croatia in the sweepstakes, so I'm kind of hoping they win. I've got to give over against that team. What, for against the five? And I've got Ecuador as well, but I'm not hopeful for them. I've got Belgium, Saudi and Australia. Who was the side that got beat? I don't even know the name of the place.

1:27:144-1 by Germany. No, 7-1 by Germany.

1:27:16Michael Vaughan: Germany, Cur... They won't. Curacao. Where is it? I've got no idea. Do you know where Curacao is? I thought he was trying to say Krakow. Where? Ah, Curacao. Konkakaf region. Where's that? I don't know. I've got a swat up on me. Yeah. They went 1-1. It was 1-1. Was it 1-1? North coast of Venezuela. Was it? I was going to say that. Caribbean, basically. It's all coming down in the air. South America. Yeah. They equalised against Krakow. Yeah, 1-1, weren't they? Yeah, and then the old manager. They get these things. Basically, American football, Well, they need quarters. Get these three-minute breaks.

1:27:51You have quarters.

1:27:53Michael Vaughan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's for the conversion. Aren't they on lockdown at the minute because of a tornado or something? What, in Miami? I might have made that up. Are you sure I saw it? Oh, England were? Yeah. Yeah, England, yeah. Yeah, they're locked out, yeah. They've been locked out. Well, no, boots are. They've been locked out. Well, they've been locked in. Put in their hotel locked in. England men need that. A tornado, keep them in. Can't go out, then. They'll find a way. Yeah. Stokes it with his windbreaker on. Climbing through the window. A little disguise. Coming to your south-west-er. Right, what's the most you've ever spent on a ticket to a sporting event?

1:28:30Oh, I actually had a shocker with this, didn't I? Ten grand. What? Ten grand? Ten grand. Ten grand on the darts. I was really drunk at a PCA event and I bid for it. You're kidding! And I won it, yeah. Well, it was ten tickets, so I was like, everyone on the table, and they were all like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, welcome, welcome, welcome. It was all the England girls. So I was like, grand a ticket, fine. Great night at the Alley Pally. And then... No one went. No one went. And I was ten grand short. And I was like, for God's sake, everyone. That was like a free night for me. Oh, that is... Six of us went, didn't they?

1:28:59So it cost me a fair whack, that one. But also, so I've gone to pay for it. I reckon that's up there. Gone to pay for it. And I'm like seven bottles of Prosecco deep, so I'm flying. Gone to pay for it. Card declined. I was like, oh, no. Oh, no. You can't get ten grand on your card. I was on the phone to the fraud company and they were like, where are you? And I was like, I'm at a charity event, I'm trying to be charitable. Can you please have my bank back? And you have great mid-spending limit. And then someone with an Amex card went, I'll get it, because I'll get the points. So then she had to transfer it the next day.

1:29:30Tom Jones from the PCA, like a knight in shining armour, appears next to me, he's like, here's my credit card. I was like, oh, thank you, so I've paid for it. And then he was like, you're going to have to transfer that back to me, because I need to explain to my wife why I've just paid£10 ,000 for some dollars. Thank you. Two for the Ali's Valley. I was going to say, for explaining to my wife that I've just lent a woman ten grand. Ten grand. At 1am? Yeah. At 1am. Yeah. I had to send a text explaining it the next day.

1:29:56Michael Vaughan: Oh, that's up there, yeah. Have you ever bought a ticket for a sporting... No. I bet you haven't ever, have you? Never. You've never paid to go watch local football? Back in the day, you didn't go... I went with my dad. So your dad paid for you? So you've never ever bought a sporting ticket in your life? No. I don't reckon I would have, other than... Oh, you've never bought a football ticket? I'd only go and watch sport if it's free. Yeah, me too. I only play golf if it's free. Have you ever paid for a round of golf? Ask this one how much... Have you ever paid for a round of golf? Ask this one how much she's paid for a round of golf before.

1:30:36I got my currency mixed up in my head. so we're in Dubai and I'm trying to find somewhere to play golf for the next day and I'm like see this price on there and I tap it and it's 600 dirhams each I'm like that's not that bad it's quite expensive but tap my card right we're playing golf tomorrow three of us look at my account £1 ,750 just come out so it's cost us £600 a person it's in Singapore dollars she thought it was Made in Singapore dollars. $450 each. Which course? It was awful, isn't it? Montgomery it was. It wasn't even good. You're kidding! No. We didn't even get a free bottle of water, because they've got no plastic policy on the...

1:31:20And the guy I was paying for, as well... Oh, that's health and safety. Hit one down the 9th and went, oh, my sister lives there, so I'm off. I was like... Just paid you 600 quid. No, he didn't pay. She paid for him to play 9th. Oh. Have you ever... You must have bought some tickets. Yeah, I pay for my season tickets, Luton. Have you still got those? Yeah. League One?

1:31:44Michael Vaughan: £500 and... Oh, what a pound or something. What's York City's season ticket? I pay less than an MCG. 300 quid. They're exclusive, mate. Well, we always get into the cricket, right? Yeah, they've got 30 games and 38 games. So you've never paid for a round of golf or paid for a sporting ticket? Do you pay for concert tickets? Not really, no. You've got some good mates. I have got a lot of good money. You've got some good money. I've paid, what have I paid for a football ticket? Mike, Mike, come on, you're in the bloody executive box, Mike. I have to pay for some tickets. I don't get them all free, I get a lot free.

1:32:23Michael Vaughan: Some you can't get them free. These World Cup football tickets are a joke. Oh, that's a lot, yeah. I can get to Leeds United with my farm and me. Yorkshire again. Yeah, there you go. He's in the band in Lancashire. Yeah, yeah. But he's wearing red. Yeah, he's blanched. He's got Maureen on and on. Yeah. Is that you, Maureen? That you, Maureen. I think sports clothing's just as bad now, though. You think about paying for, like, an England cricket shirt now, it's like 75 quid or 80 quid. You need to go to the back streets of Mumbai. You can get every snide going. Yeah, that's true. They've got some Vaughan on there as well.

1:33:01You could get Vaughan printed on the back if you wanted. You don't want that. A phone Vaughan.

1:33:04Michael Vaughan: What, Gucci? Honestly, don't we? Then Breitling watches and Rolex just outside Leopold's in Mumbai. Around the cafe on the street, yeah. Tenner. Oh, you can get some baths. You see everyone in the swimming pool like that. You can get aftershave and all sorts along that stretch. Aftershave? Yeah, you can. Oh, good luck with that, mate. I'm not having any schneider. I'm fucking skin melting up.

1:33:36I don't watch films. I don't know films and things. I only watch football. What do you mean you don't watch films? Never, ever watch a film. You've never watched a film? I watched Brastoff years ago. Rita Sue and Bob Kane, too. Oh, that's good. That's brilliant. That block on that balcony. Go on, Kevin! You fucking shut up! Rita Sue and Bob Kane, too. Brastoff was the last film you watched. Yeah, Brastoff, and Averton's a big Brastoff fan. Yeah. Do you know who's in that? Jim's in that. Jim Carter. That's it. From Rideshead, where he visited. Who were Hampstead Cricket Club chairman. What does that mean?

1:34:18Imelda Staunton's his missus. They live on the ground, don't they? They live on the ground. They all play the tubas and everything, don't they? That's it. Yeah. What does Aggers play? Euphonium. Euphonium. Second euphoniums and everything that is. Thanks for coming on. Is that it? Thanks for coming on, yeah. I haven't seen it much enough.

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