Arsenal Need a Superstar? United’s Midfield Rebuild & Roy’s Hot Take! | Stick to Football EP 145

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1:56Gary Neville: How are you, everyone? Everyone's away on holiday. No one's supporting us in pre-season, are they? A little bit of lull, not quite back into it. Post-World Cup hangover.

2:09Roy Keane: Oh, there's no audience today.

2:12Gary Neville: Oh, sorry, mate. Whenever you feel...

2:15Roy Keane: Obviously, it's great to see all the camera guys.

2:17Gary Neville: Yeah.

2:18Roy Keane: Nice to see you all. Did you have a good summer? Yeah. You haven't just been in here, have you? For like six weeks.

2:27Gary Neville: Whenever you feel... Yo, what's happening, peeps?

2:30Roy Keane: I've been sat here just doing a show. Back.

2:33Gary Neville: Back again. Back in town again. Stand for Carragher. Carragher. Carragher.

2:39Roy Keane: Is that your own brand? Is it? No, Carragher. Have you got your own brand? You know what? I like it. Can I see the label? I like... You see? You know what he said there? Capriya, yeah. See what he said? Everyone in Liverpool sells T-shirts. They ask me to put them on for them. They've actually opened a shop in Trafford Centre. Let me feel it, Cass. You said that was good quality before you touched it. No, because I can tell. I like what they've done there. Well, they're in... What's the one you have in Manchester? What have I just got? Trafford Centre. Traffic Centre. I think that's nice. That's the one with Roy go...

3:14Roy, what's that one you go to... buy all that expensive gear and then don't use it? Selfridges. No, that's the guy's shop. But everybody's buying clothes up here, they mention the same fella. Maison. That was Carl. Everyone I mention here.

3:28Roy Keane: Is that normal, Teotihuacan?

3:30Gary Neville: I haven't got a clue. Cara, this is the first time you've known for ages. Cara, we missed you. I feel like a guest. Cara, no. It's not a guest. It's like when you don't see someone for ages and then you get back and it's like you never see. Is that a good thing or when you haven't seen someone for ages? No, but we still see you, dog. You're not, you know what I mean? You're still... Oh, you're not invisible. Yeah, you know what I mean? You're still walking out, yeah. Yeah, you're still popping up. You love a podcast. Yeah. I love a podcast or wearing someone's T-shirt and getting nothing for it.

3:58Except the T-shirt.

3:59Roy Keane: I feel like you were living in Ibiza. No, I did a couple of times. It was good. Twice, yeah. The last one was that good. I didn't go on the next one, I suppose. It was gone, you know, you think, oh, no. Enough enough, yeah, you've done your bit. Did you see any, like, did you see Calvin Harris or anything? Oh, no, no. That's the best part. No partying? No, I just didn't see Calvin Harris when I was playing. I meant, like, his performance, not just, like, walking around. No, no, no. And Berezi, you're a great... Oh, my God. Keegan. Yeah, honestly. Really sad. Webby. Our friend Webby. Used to sit there.

4:35What a great fella, yeah.

4:37Gary Neville: Webby, eh? Obviously got to know him doing the... Yeah, horrible, that one. Yeah, not good, is it? I woke up to that 2.30 in the morning, I'm doing a safari, and that, oh, my God. It stops you in your tracks or something. I got that in America. My mate Clyde grew up with. Yeah. Bam went to his funeral the other day. It's horrible. No good. All of a sudden, Bam gets you out of the blue, but... Yeah. So sad. Lucky. Take it easy, Clyde. Lucky, lucky. And Brazy, yeah? What a play. And you see some of the videos, isn't it? I know. Oh, my God. You know, you're there about... You know, the thing is, he was so small.

5:07He didn't look like a player, did he? No. He looked like... I think that was the thing. Did he smoke as well? Smoke? Cigarettes, yeah. I don't know. I'm sure someone said that. Because he just looked like a little fella. Just smoked a flag.

5:18Gary Neville: Who's the most influential defender of all time? Are you putting Beckenbauer or Ronald Koeman, Berezi? Berezi would be up there. I think Berezi would be up there. Berezi would be up there. Beckenbauer would be one there. I think Beckenbauer and Berezi would probably be the two. But people were putting lists out, weren't they, the greatest defenders of all time and the impact that he had. Can we probably more get in there? Yeah.

5:36Roy Keane: Did you have his shirt? Is that the shirt you spoke about? Yeah, I had a couple. What do they have? Did you not speak about it on... Yeah. Was he a while ago? No, it was good, yeah. And obviously, I think I did that story when we came on, didn't I? That I sat next to him in the Milan derby. Yeah. And he was just sat there. How many games did he play? Literally like... Over 700, I think. Wow. But the thing was, someone's done a piece in the... I think it was the Athletic on his career. Now, you think of all winning the European Cups, but at the start of his career, they got relegated. Milan did?

6:08Yeah, like a match fix. So I think they win the league. so he wins the league very early on and then a year or two later they get relegated something to do with referees or something going on so he stays with them and then comes back so I think that's why he's seeing his life for staying with them you mean he sort of stayed with them a bit and then comes back and has that team doesn't he it's the same as Buffon at Juventus yeah he went down when they got relegated they all got that state when they went down they stayed

6:36Roy Keane: do you think that Kevin Keegan Kevin Keegan yeah well sad yeah that was a sad one going back to what I said about Brazy there and when you think of Keegan we all think of the four or five things you remember like European Cup Liverpool Ballon d 'Or and stuff like that I'm sure I've got this right when he went to Southampton he got PFA Player of the Year at Southampton you know like something that you'd never sort of I think Southampton might finish second that season behind Liverpool but to come back not play for one of the fashionable teams I'd be like best player in the league or pay-fif-pay going to Hamburg wasn't it Hamburg wasn't like they weren't obviously Bayern Munich but like they weren't like ripping it to shreds he went there but he did speak about the money side of that he was honest he was not very honest about it of course I want to be financially secure with this move and what about I don't know when he goes to Sori I remember before his last game for Newcastle he gets in the helicopter oh yeah on the pitch he pick up where the helicopter just goes

7:36Gary Neville: I don't believe it piece of traffic though doesn't it did you play with him for it did you play under him with England did you ever he was my first my first squad I was in was with Kevin was that Germany game where he resigned in the tunnel do you remember that in the dressing room that's my because my memory of Kevin was obviously with England and that's my lasting memory of him walking in everyone sit down lads lads that's it I've taken it as far as I can and I remember Arthur Cox saying Kevin Kevin take your time think about no no Arthur not this time no no I've taken it as far as I can I love you all I love my country but you need he almost liked saying you need someone better than me almost like he just he was an emotional guy yeah really emotional and he'd been upset about the way in which the English press obviously was covering him at that time I think he'd watched a programme the night before that had really upset him because it sort of went personal with him you know what I mean the other journalist programme that used to be on a Friday night yeah yeah don't hold the back page and it really hurt him where did that defeat leave him at the time if you know what I mean was that well we ended up going to Sven come over I think we ended up going to Munich in the other game and won five right yeah is it that same what so I think I hope I got this right so I think that's the first game of the qualifying so England lose and then three days later there was only one game that did a qualifying game I think it was the first game it was the last game ever at the old Wembley so it was the last game it was a big game at England during the old Wembley you think it was towards the end of the campaign where we started this but there was a game again three days later away in Finland and Howard Wilkinson came in I remember it so it was that

8:57Roy Keane: he just made the decision yeah he went he's a emotional guy maybe he gets a feel I think it was the criticism on the back of the Euros didn't go well and then he was getting a lot of stick for that game

9:06Gary Neville: and then it was just I always feel like with England, I was quite relatively consistent with England, but I played really badly. That year after the treble, that 2000, I was shocking at United. I was shocking with England. And I always felt like I let him down. I always felt like I let him down. You don't play well for someone. It was the first time I really didn't play well for England under him. And in that Euros, I was shocking.

9:27Roy Keane: But the fact that you felt like you let him down, that you cared about him, because sometimes there's some managers you probably would just... No, he's not a guy you would want to let down.

9:35Gary Neville: He's a good guy. I will.

9:38Roy Keane: So sad. So sad. Right. We've got a little... Come back to your safari. Sorry, how did you enjoy it? Yeah, it was good. Unbelievable, isn't it? Oh, it's the best thing.

9:46Gary Neville: But you know something, it went on a leopard safari. Did you see one? But I didn't see a leopard. That's what happened to me. That happened to me. It went two years ago to South Africa. I was looking for...

9:56Roy Keane: You think the leopards went there, Scammy Neville, and just left?

9:59Gary Neville: There aren't many things that calm me that I thought was most therapeutic. They're driving around for hours. Spiritually. Very spiritual, isn't it? And do you know the idea of anticipation, of thinking you might see one? I mean, we saw bears and elephants and obviously different things, but just this anticipation. See lion? No, no, because it was a leopard to fight. It was in Sri Lanka. Oh, sorry. We did four hours in the afternoon and four hours in the morning, eight hours driving around. And do you know something? Just peace. What did you see that you were like? The bears, they hadn't seen for three months.

10:27Gary Neville: These sloth bears, they hadn't seen for three months.

10:29Roy Keane: Do you think they'd just tell you that, though? No, no. I feel like we went with someone, though, like we've never seen the big five, like, ever. Can I just go to... Is it Norsley? Is it Norsley? Norsley. Yeah, very bad. He's on the air. Yeah. To see them in their natural habitat is amazing.

10:45Gary Neville: And you couldn't use your phone, obviously. Was it weird? Oh, no. But, Jocelyn, that's the beauty of it. Of course. Just driving around, the peace. And the anticipation. So you didn't do any... No, you get your video. So if you saw a bear, you get your... But you don't get sick. Yeah, but you're not ringing people or texting. I thought you were going to pitch it. We were going to say he was going to ring a bear. Yeah. She's got a video there with the bear behind you in the background.

11:04Roy Keane: I was doing a deal with Disney, just like with the Bears. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I thought you would have gone away straight after the World Cup. I needed downtime. I needed home, cups of tea, walks, the dogs, family time. I was zoned off on that World Cup. Yeah.

11:19Gary Neville: I was hard work that at the end.

11:22Roy Keane: I can imagine. Do you feel like you've had enough rest? No, not yet.

11:26Gary Neville: To get back into it. You know what I mean? It's one of them where you'll be like... Hopefully it will be next week after a week away. Right.

11:32Roy Keane: Well, Premier League this week, how mad's that? Jill, you mentioned Disney. Yeah.

11:36Gary Neville: And you all watch films. Yeah.

11:38Roy Keane: Yes.

11:39Gary Neville: I'm going to give you clues, and you've got to name these Disney films. Oh, I'm terrible with films. You're going to win this right here. Well done, though, on the Disney thing, that's good. Yes, so we're going to do it in a different way like we always do, section. So this film, the first of these two films were directed by John Lasseter. I'm never bogged down by who the fucking directors are. You know when you watch a movie? I've already gone by the time. Yeah, that's fine. Do you want the next clue? Yeah.

12:04Roy Keane: I thought...

12:04Gary Neville: Pizza Planet features in this movie.

12:07Roy Keane: Pizza Planet. Pizza Planet.

12:10Gary Neville: That's Toy Story. Oh, well done. Toy Story, righty. That is the best. Is it the best film ever? You know, I'm waiting for... Best kids film ever. You're going to watch Toy Story 5. Toy Story 5. I can't wait. It's a chance, isn't it? Yeah. I've seen it. Did you see it, Roy? Yeah, it was good. Brilliant. Great message? Don't spoil it. Don't spoil it. No, it was good. No, it was good. Right, this next one. It was released in 1964. John, that's a clue. I think you should say, I think.

12:37Roy Keane: Were you alive then?

12:38Gary Neville: The lead actress's initials are J.A. Julie Andrews. Sound of Music. No. Mary Poppins. Mary Poppins, wow.

12:49Roy Keane: Right, he's going to be good. Is he?

12:51Gary Neville: Right. You are a film man, right? He's older than us. He's older than us. I just watch children's films, I love them. Right, the third and last one. This movie shares many parallels with William Shakespeare's play Hamlet. I wouldn't get it off that, to be fair, but you might do because you're getting things that I wouldn't get. I don't do a lot of Hamlet. This film had a song that won an Academy Award for the best original song in 1995. Lion King? Yeah.

13:25Roy Keane: Righty. How have you got that? Oh, yeah. Wow. No way. He's delighted. I should do films. You should do films. No, you should do that. What's that guy, Barry Norman? Barry Norman. I remember films. What a job that is.

13:36Gary Neville: You should do Barry Norman stuff. Ian Norman.

13:40Roy Keane: What is your favourite Disney film, though? I think Toy Story. I think Toy Story. Toy Story is one of the greatest franchises ever. Is it your favourite movie? I watched Spider-Man the other day. I did. And the thing is, I'm not going to... Look at what was going on. This is what I'm saying. there's so many films before and things that's going on after. You just watch a film and think, OK, let me wait for the next one to see if I can get that one. It's too much going on now. Have you seen Odyssey? Is it Odyssey? Not yet, no. That's a good film, isn't it? I love that. A bit long, isn't it? Yeah, it's a bit long.

14:12I love epic films like Dune. Dune's coming out in November. I think it's December. Dune's coming out and there's something else coming the same day as well. Can't remember what else, what's coming the same day. Hunger Games. Hunger Games is coming as well, But then there's Doomsday as well. I'm looking forward to that one.

14:29Gary Neville: How do you know all these films? I know. That could be in a few months if you liked it, then.

14:37Doomsday and Duke, the same day. I don't know what's happening there, but I can't wait for them.

14:44Gary Neville: This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney+. Right, so basically, I was thinking about the other day, it was actually yesterday morning, I thought, do you know something? A lot of the massive transfers this summer have been through the midfields. If you think about City with Anderson, they're going to sign Buadi. They obviously have lost Rodri. You think about United with Tielemans and Santos. You think about Arsenal with Gimaraes. Reinders is gone from City. Reinders is gone from City. You think Believer might be going to United. Tottenham, obviously, we've got Fernandes. They've paid fortunes for Tenali and Fernandes.

15:16Gary Neville: And our job on here is to look at those six midfields and to explore them and firstly rank which midfield four would we have as thinking that's the best midfield four in the country and then we'll rank them into six. I apologise to Aston Villa because we've gone for the traditional. It's a bit ignorant because Tottenham signed£200 million players. We put Tottenham in. Why is James Madison in pencil? I don't know. Because they had someone else's name. Probably weren't good enough. Do we know why James Madison's in pencil? Because we found out about this two hours ago. LAUGHTER Sorry, it was something that...

15:56Sorry, Barry, go on. City looked like... They had somebody on who'd left.

16:05Gary Neville: Right, OK, so who wished midfield? Tell you what I'm going to ask about first. Rodri, is that a good decision to let him go or is it a bad decision?

16:14Roy Keane: I would have liked it. From a football or a business point of view,

16:17Gary Neville: he's got one year left in his contract. Everything, Roy, everything. I'll be realising, I think it's a shocker. I don't think he can win the league without Roger. That's a shock of a decision.

16:25Roy Keane: No, I agree. He's going to be missed like so much. I can't believe how cheap it was. He wanted to go. No, it ended up being a few quid in the end. He's literally like one of the Ballon d 'Or. 60-odd million. What age is he? 30. How much was he? 60. 65. Yeah, but you see some midfielders going for 115 million and the club misses boot. Yeah, but that does my head in. He had a cruciate two years ago, a year and a half ago. He's an amazing player. I'm a huge fan of him.

16:50Gary Neville: I'm really surprised at City when you think about the risk of Pep leaving and you think about Maresca coming in and you think about Rodri being a manager out on that pitch the idea of getting rid of him for that money I just don't get Listen we're going to analyse in a second but to me what would have done jumping out of me the worst midfield to me is Man City them four you got there talking about winning league titles without a chance Man City He struggled there at the weight against Arsenal and Charity Shield Kovacic was he's been a good player but I mean I was surprised His legs have been gone for a good few years.

17:19Roy Keane: I think he's more a player you bring on, rather than I don't think he's going to be a starter. Can I also this young player they're bringing in who looks really good in the World Cup? Boaddy. He's only 18, 19, isn't he? I think you're asking a lot for City. There's a lot of him. Anderson, there's a lot of asking. I do think Phil Ford and Noel B. You can see glimpses of him. He looks strong. I don't care. I don't know. I think he looks good. Can I just say, just quickly... I thought he was good in that game. How long do you keep waiting for him? he has had good seasons you can't say that he's a vision player absolutely brilliant I think Arsenal and I'd probably put Myles Lewis getting in instead of Zubomendi at the minute I think that one is it's outstanding Chelsea on paper looks strong there but in terms of the balance you go with Arsenal there I think is Enzo Fernandes going to go is he going to City do you think is that going to happen Enzo Fernandes Angelo and what 20 I can't see him being happy then.

18:16Gary Neville: Just going back to the Rodri one, I generally am really shocked that they've let him go for£60 million. Keep him for a year, let him go on a free, let him settle Moresca in. I'm intrigued. You're just happy to write off£60 million. No, look, Roy, to be fair, City, because of the risk to the club in terms of the next few years of replacing Pep, I think£60 million might prove to be cheap in keeping him if they can win the title. Yeah, I know, yeah. And it sets the club off. Or do they say, listen, it's going to be a difficult year or two anyway, whatever happens let's take that 60 million let's cash in I think it's as big that I don't think I don't know but I don't think any of us or I certainly don't think City could win the league this season I agree with that I think if Rodri was there I'd say they're the other team besides us so I think they could do it I just this is why I think again we really are Rodri seriously he leaves that dressing room imagine the rest of the dressing room I'm imagining Maresca forget Maresca because he obviously thinks he's going to get around but the rest of the dressing room you're going to think oh no of course the whole weight of it goes on but if we talk about unfortunately the football side of it and the business and players are going for 100 million they bought Amnesty at some stage clubs do go but we have to bring money back in somewhere I know he's a huge player a brilliant player but I can just try and see again he's 64, 65 million he's 30 he's got one year left in his contract now you can't say I'll just let him go on a free next year what if he starts the season his head's already been turned you go do you know what you have a new manager new ideas you might say listen let's move them on take the hit

19:47Roy Keane: they have lost a bit of experience or Bernardo Silva I think even like players like Nathan Aki as well you know in the round the dressing room the biggest loss obviously to this club would be Pep of course yeah Pep and then Rodri wouldn't be far behind in terms of them personalities that's why I thought

20:02Gary Neville: they would have kept him free just to sort of say look we might obviously lose 60 million quid but the value of having him is enormous what do you think of Carro what do you think of Liverpool's midfield there they're all really good individual players and that's what I keep saying about Liverpool right now even in pre-season the balance in the midfield is not quite right so Bosley's gone deeper to almost like a central midfield position so him and Gravenberg and you can't say they're not they both just signed new contracts two of Liverpool's best players and then Florian Wirt is playing behind Isaac and as I said individually you look at them and say really good players but the balance isn't right for me even before the season started it's too easy to go through I think there's too many players for Liverpool not just in midfield or think about going forward.

20:44Are they going to bring somebody in there? I'm not. I think it looks like Curtis Jones may move on. But then there's talk of, only from fans, but would you go and get an Adam Wharton? But again, he's another player who thinks about what you're doing with the ball. I still think they need someone who's thinking, what are we doing when we haven't got the ball? I still think Liverpool could do that. Do you think Santos there? Is Belieber coming to you?

21:07Gary Neville: It looks like he's coming. Roy, if Belieber does come, which it looks like it's on the cards, Would you say Manchester United got a good midfield then? Yeah, yeah. But that's a good way of putting it. A good midfield. If you're on about winning the league, I still think it's short. United's big problems are still going to be defensively. That's midfield and going forward. There's a big goal threat at United. They were obviously very good last year at it. Even when Carrick took over, they were a real goal threat. But the issue was at the back. The full-backs in the two centre-halves. Still a big issue.

21:33But yeah, on paper, you look at that. They jump out of the game. Really good players. Do I think, again, there's a league winning tight midfield there? Probably not. No, I don't see it. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney+.

21:48Gary Neville: Gary, do you know what I've been watching recently? What? The Shards on Disney+. Oh, what's that like? It's really quite good, actually. It's a kind of psychological thriller based on a Brett Easton Ellis novel. Do you know Brett Easton Ellis? No. Is it complicated? No. It's easy for people like me to read. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You'll be fine with it. Scary? Yes. It's basically about, there's a serial killer on the loose. It's set with kids who are in the last year of high school. It's set in the 80s. Oh. So it's very much like, if you think about it as Bury, but in America, and you've got these very, very kind of privileged kids in this kind of elite.

22:25Gary Neville: There's a serial killer wandering around. And they're trying to find them. And they think, yeah, they're not sure if it's one of them. There's a new kid comes into town. And there's this police in there trying to find them, is there, or detects? Well, the kids are trying to solve it as well, so it's good. I love them box sets. It's good. Honestly, you watch the first one and you're like, hang on a second, who is doing it? Cindy Crawford's daughter, isn't it? Her name is Kaya Gerber. Richard Gere's son is in it. And Evan Rachel Wood. Is it out all at once or is it a... No, it's staggered. There's staggered.

22:52So there's a few out now, so you get in there, you get hooked, and then you kind of come back.

22:55Gary Neville: Are you one of those people that watches it one by one? I tend to wait to the end, me and Binge, yeah. Go for it all at once. No, no, I've started this, so each week now I'm just regular as clockwork. Do you know I always think about these psychological thrillers, and I've watched a few recently, is how clever the writers are of these things. Now they bring it all together at the end. You've got to be like a bit of a genius, haven't you, R.P.? You've got to be able to connect the star, each scene. To make a show for Disney +, you do have to be a bit of a genius. So it's also produced by Ryan Murphy, who produced American Horror Story and Glee.

23:30If there was a killer in the stick-to-football world... Are you asking me to ask this question? I am! If there was a killer in the stick-to-football universe, do you think you would work out who it was?

23:40Gary Neville: yeah it's that area now mate yeah it's carer isn't it corporate number one it means yeah yeah straight away who's done it cara watch the shards new and exclusive disney plus excellent honestly it's it's top draw

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26:03Gary Neville: If you think about last summer they rebuilt the forward line because they signed Mbamo, Cunha and Sesco This season they're focusing on the midfield We have to give United credit for a little bit Their recent recruitment obviously they've gone back to players who know the Premier League Yes That's been a big one It's obviously the same mindset this year bringing players in who were maybe under that radar not your huge money but again some of Man United's greatest signings going back over the last 20, 30 years have been players under the radar. So it's not always necessarily about spending 100 million on somebody.

26:30So I think these players will be good for Man United, but being good and trying to win a league title, I think defensively is the big problem.

26:36Gary Neville: Were they right to ignore, because obviously they wanted Ternali and Fernandes, they were absolutely an Anderson, but they wouldn't go to 170 million. I think Anderson wanted to go to City anyway, but on Ternali and Fernandes, they definitely wanted them too, but when it gets to 100 million, were they right to say, hang on, that's too much of that? Yeah, and I think the rumours, they were told that if they kept going, the fees were going to keep going up and the subsidies you have to back away don't you? Go away yeah and obviously you look at the other signings United seem to be in that bracket of buying lads for 50, 60 million they've gone to a different market Roy and obviously they had their fingers burnt over the last few years but again they were buying players who weren't used to the Premier League but in terms of the prices sorry right I'm just trying to work out if you bring Belieber in what are we talking what is it 60 million?

27:19is he 65, 70? so what I'm saying is is that confirmed by the way? I think it's pretty close right okay So what I'm saying is, are those three players almost the equivalent of the two players?

27:31Gary Neville: I think they've thought they need three, and let's say we've got£150 million, whatever it is. They've thought, if we spend£100 million on Tonali, we can't get the other two. Because they only have, basically, Kobi Meina and Fernandes. Agathe's obviously gone, Casemiro's gone, Agathe got injured badly. Forget Fernandes, he's more than up on Matempo. So you've actually got four players, four recognised first-team players for two positions. my point being then you've got the numbers but if you were saying United's three midfield players and the two for Tottenham and I said put them in a list of where I think they are would you spend 200 million on those two rather my point being is forget the money the Tottenham two are at the front of that list for me if I was putting them in a list of who I rated as I think the two are better than the three put yourself because you've done this with Liverpool when they've spent big money would you spend 100 million on Sonali and 100 million on Fernando if I was United I'd have paid 85 and Fernandes I thought that was the one United should have done I understand Tenali he's a little bit older I think he's getting 26 I think Fernandes is a really good player and I think 85 might look cheap in three or four years I think he's a good player no I think he is a good player I think he's certainly talented Tenali no Fernandes Fernandes he's gone to Spurs yes now you watch it and I know players can get relegated I got relegated he's on the back of two relegations I just worded I think a talented boy no doubt about it but again we go back to that and we have to be very careful here of course you need talent but again I go back to that, personalities and characters.

28:55Has he got that? I know he's still learning this trade. The Tenale one I felt was... Yeah, yeah, not Tenale, I'm on about Fernandes. I'm on about Fernandes. I get that, and I did think, 100 million, wow. You know, and I'm a big fan of Tenale. The Fernandes one, because he was so young, I think he's only 21, people were saying it was expensive. For me, when I looked at it, I thought, I don't think that is as expensive. But that was one of the deals we were told. Just because of his age. Spurs apparently were, apparently they're going to keep going. No, I can't. Even if you're going, Can't Man United take that hit, gal?

29:25We're not involved in an auction here. That's what we heard. See where Man United are, where they're shopping now. So you're saying that Man United can't take the hit of trying to get to Nali and even Fernandes if they can't afford that now? Because like you said, Roy, they're shopping in a different level now. Yeah, which is... Is that where Man United are? That's what I'm saying.

29:44Gary Neville: I think what happened was, I mean, I'm not a fan, but he gets injured. Manu's basically left on his own in midfield. They do need three because they've got probably 50 games this season, 55 games. So I think they thought they need three and we have to make sure we try. If we spend£110 million on Sonali or nearly£90 million on Fernandes, it's not going to work out with the other two. They needed that extra player. They needed the extra player, I think because they would have been short. So I think that's why they've done it. They've gone for three good ones rather than, say, maybe two slightly better ones.

30:11Gary Neville: Do you know what I mean?

30:11Roy Keane: I think... No, I can see the logic with that as well. Of course you've got to... Is that where you are? That's where they are. I know I understand where they're going. Well, you're happy with Tillemans? Because I do think he's a consistent Premier League player. You know, sometimes you bring players in and they need a season to settle. I think you know what you're going to get with him. I like him. Yeah, I do. I think he's a good player. But again, if we're talking about United, is that midfield that will win the league? I don't think so. And I think, obviously, again, we'll go back to a death struggle at the back.

30:37But Tillemans is kind of a safety bet for United because over the last few years, the players have been, Casemiro is a great example, spending huge money, big wages. Tillemans knows the Premier League, he's an experienced international player. And I think going to Old Trafford, obviously Villa have been successful last year or two, I think he'll be fine with the expectation. But do I think he's going to get United at the very top? The answer's no. I think it's just what you said, Ian, because I think if you, in the past, United are there, Tottenham are there, aren't they, in terms of the players that you're almost attracted.

31:05It almost feels like, I don't know how many years ago, that would almost be the other way round. Would it be United going and getting Tenali and Fernandes and Tottenham would have to put do with the others and say, we can't get the ones off the top shelf, we've got to get them just a little bit below.

31:18Gary Neville: I think the two they probably would have wanted two or three months ago would have been Anderson and Fernandes they were the two I think that they would have thought that's the but City obviously have obviously done a deal with Anderson he's chosen Manish City so you can't do anything about that I always really when I look at that what's really I'm not baffled but I'm just like for him to choose City over United especially when now Rodri's gone Pep's gone it just seems it seems like it's a little bit more of a chance he's taken away he had the capability of maybe waiting I don't know I don't know you know City fans I remember when I mentioned City fans what do you mean he shouldn't come to us should have went to United but right these younger players don't see Man United the way we used to see Man United without a doubt so you're going you've Man United or City obviously he's still a young player the last 4, 5, 6 years he's looking at Man City going they're the team who win all the time I don't think Man United ain't got that no more I don't think so not that pull for some of these younger players you might say to Anderson like I would say to him go to Man United and help rebuild Man United you'd be like what can't they've done and all these lads.

32:16But they're like, no man, City are doing it. They're already doing it. They're already doing it. And again, I guarantee he's getting a lot more, listen, I could be wrong, probably a lot more wages at City than United.

32:25Roy Keane: Where do you see Anderson kind of fitting in? Do you think he has to play as a two or could he do that single wall that a Rodri does? I don't think he's got the discipline for that. But can he learn it though? Of course, well he can do, yeah, but he'll have to learn quick, yeah, yeah. But I think he's, at the moment, his age, and I think the discipline comes as he gets a bit older,

32:45this is what you want to do that they need to discipline that would have been helped to learn from him it was interesting the role he had in the charity shield where he was almost in that Kevin De Bruyne position where he was high up I don't know if you're talking off the ball Roy where he's sort of moving about but he looks to me like the type of player when I watch him in England and Nottingham Forest he always wants to be on the ball he's always permanently like that and when I was watching him in the charity shield it's almost like it's going on over there and I'm out of it so I don't know if Rodri going means he slots into there or while he plays that deeper role.

33:17But again, he's got to learn, which he will do, no doubt, is going back and getting off defenders. The really top defenders go, you don't need to be coming back here. You're not at Forrest now where you need... You get a bit higher up the pitch and he needs to show that bit of bravery or the courage also, Jimmy, to say you won't be getting out all the time. Like the Brian, these lads, you can go drifting, but when it comes to you, show your quality. You're not going to get 100... You're not allowed to... Forrest used to do a lot and you go, you don't need to be back here. Looking busy, not really...

33:42Roy Keane: But they needed him to do that. Of course. A bit like a green lift. should fill it. That's my whole point. My whole point, he's now working with better players and going, I can do that. Don't worry, I can play between the lines. You need to be braver and also be brave enough when you're not getting hundreds of touches going, but when it does come to me, don't worry. He'll have to learn that, won't he? Remember when Calvin was going to the city, but he didn't get the time to learn it, I think, so I hope they give him the time. That's the thing. Because the only way you can learn it is if you're actually playing in that system.

34:09Roy Keane: He needs to learn it quick. Yeah, you have to learn it quick. Sometimes Pep, obviously Pebce Gamble when he was looking at these players coming going you're too slow and they were getting I was watching they were getting chances at some of the cup games you're going no no you need to speed up we can't wait for you sometimes there's only a few games and already you're getting written off

34:25Gary Neville: but Roy imagine when you come to United and obviously you're a huge talent it's a massive fee but you come into the team and you've got Paul Ince there you've got Brian Robson there you think about Anderson coming in now and he's going to lose Rodri I mean your job would have been made easier at United having those oh yeah dream scenario for me of course you're obviously in the team but you've got these experienced players alongside you. And then this guy now is there on his own. He's expected to do it from day one. But there's this massive fee because you'd be£120,£130,£140 million now. I just think losing Rodri makes Anderson's job...

34:57Not impossible, but very difficult. It makes his job very difficult. But if you're Rodri, let's look at it from Rodri's point of view. He might have been determined to say Madrid are in from it originally, then Barca. I want to go back. Family stuff. I remember last year, I like security for a four or five year deal. We don't know the dynamics of every deal. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney+.

35:21Gary Neville: You mentioned personality. I would have had Arsenal for the league anyway, Ian, but I love Gimaraish. I just think he's a massive, massive character and personality. I just think that secures the title for Arsenal. Do you feel as strongly as that? I just feel he's a massive addition, Ian. We're going to excuse us to lose, Ian. every game's a cup final absolutely 38 cup finals we've got you know what girl I'm very excited about what's happening obviously you know the community shield is not you can't say you're going to take everything that's happening off that and that oh Arsenal are going to last but buying him I think Zollis as well buying Zollis as well two good signings but like I'm a little bit worried about how to track we need more you know what I mean obviously I hope so because I don't want to judge I don't want to judge Are you going to get Conway?

36:10Gary Neville: Conzer? I hope so I think so That would be a good signing as well Very good signing But again we're built on defence and this is why when the manager's talking about the Champions League he's talking about building a dynasty and trying to get that player and this is why probably we tried to go for Vinny it didn't happen and I know that was happening they were trying very very hard for that to happen because he wants that That was never going to happen right here Truthfully I just couldn't visualise him at Arsenal that's all These lads play all these games don't they? But the thing is, it's the ambition of what the manager wanted.

36:40We went for that player. Who are they going for now?

36:42Gary Neville: Who are they going for now, then, if they don't finish his team? I don't know. I still hope that they're going for someone like Alvarez. If he's going to not go to... I'd love to know that he's not going to go to Barcelona and he'll come to us. But if that kind of player is available, that's what you want. Might be brilliant, Sam. Again, what I was saying about the... Well, Arsenal in a position like United were in Liverpool back in the 80s when you're winning stuff and then you can just pick. That's what I'm saying. You don't have to buy six or seven. You don't have to panic. You're on about United getting three midfielders.

37:06we just get one coming to the best on that position Gimaraish is massive

37:10Gary Neville: it's a big sign in that just to get that from Newcastle for 75 million he's a brilliant player

37:15Roy Keane: I think him coming in like Odegaard and that will raise their level as well I think you'll see that I think that going back to what the manager's saying about what he wants to build and the players he's trying to attract because we need that forward what he said after the Champions League Paris Saint-Germain we kind of battled with them but then they had the extra bit in that last third. You know what I mean? You still haven't got a start. Yeah, and that's what they need. That's what we need to build towards and that's what the manager wants. It seems like he's getting players for now, right now.

37:47It's like they want to win that league. Yeah, they want to win that league. But I do believe that we need to try and find that signing, that forward signing that's going to really...

37:55Gary Neville: Do you want to grow a position? Yeah, exactly. I say this, would Vinicius work at Arsenal? Would it fit with the group? It was so different. He's the kind of player that when you hear about what's happening in the dressing room. He doesn't get on with this one. The manager who's come and he's had problems with that manager. But the money, what they offered him, what he wanted 18 months ago, apparently when he went in for that big meeting where they said, oh, he's going for this meeting, they gave him double on top. So all of a sudden, all the dressing room problems have gone away. All of a sudden, he loves the manager.

38:26I want to watch what happens with Real Madrid now because if he's signed for them with all those problems, but he's done it for the money because he's going to stay there, and he could have came. I see it because obviously being an Arsenal fan, I'm dreaming that that can happen. That's what takes you to that. It would have been amazing for the Premier League. I mean, actually, we haven't got that many superstars in the Premier League.

38:46Gary Neville: But are you talking about on the pitch then or off the pitch? No, I'm just talking about generally how they fit with the group in terms of this sort of dynamic of the spirit that they've got. But in terms of on the pitch, when you think of the strengths of Arsenal, the wingers, at times they're in the full-back positions and it's really difficult to play against Arsenal, score against them. and that's I think the decision Arteta's got to make if he gets a superstar not only when you've got someone of that ilk it's the way Liverpool use Salah if you like you know he's a superstar you don't ask him to come back constantly would Arsenal lose a little bit defensively but you're gaining something that's what I was saying that's what I'm saying but I think to win the Champions League I think to win the Champions League you've got to get someone or you've got to create someone to go and be the superstar but to win the Champions League I still think they need something a bit more and that's what he recognised you could see it when it finished you see he was walking around he was in that day he was thinking if I just had that play I might have won this game righty last week watching the Charity Shield last week Myles Lewis Skelly played obviously in midfield and then the rumours in the last couple of days that United could get him as either a backup in midfield and let that can't work that's not going to happen can I be honest I don't know where that's coming from because I know for a fact it's not coming from his team I know it's not coming from his mum.

40:01Arsenal fans need to chill out with his mum, saying that his mum's touting him about. And Myles has already said he's happy to stay. Why haven't Arsenal just said he's not for sale?

40:10Gary Neville: It'd be a great sign if United. Of course it'd be a great sign if United. Look what he's doing. He's amazing. Stuff like that doesn't come out without something. There's things happening. And this is, again, what I'm worried about with Arsenal, is the way that we're doing our business now, intermediates people. How is that story happening when we know for a fact that they want to stay and they're happy? Martinelli. Martinelli has not been contacted by anybody at the club, but he's been touted about everywhere. Who's doing that? I read a newspaper article the other day, talking about Arsenal, and obviously he spent a lot of money in the last few years.

40:40They almost said they need a sale. I don't know what to do with FFP or whatever it is, almost needed a sale. So I didn't know if that is a local player and then when he goes straight, banked. No, but the thing is, James, you're saying that we need to sell, we need to sell. How can we then be in for Vinny Jr.? We're looking to break records trying to sign this guy, but now we're talking about we're desperate to sell. What's going on? Well, I don't know about Lewis, but every club has to balance the books. That's not necessarily about the money. It's about the players. You can't have 30 players.

41:06Arsenal have got a big squad, haven't they? We've got a big squad now. Obviously, there's some players that have to leave. It seems like everybody leaving Arsenal will go to Turkey. That's another field squad.

41:12Gary Neville: But righty, do you know the way I saw it? I mean, I've got teeth. Righty, I'd be surprised, but he's got Calafiore and, oh my God, do you also play left back at the end? In Capier. And then in midfield, obviously, he's got now two or three in there. I wonder whether he's thinking and he can bring 60, 70 million for him? I'm asking the question because for United... Yeah, but of course you're going to think that because the unfortunate thing that happens when you get a player that comes out of the academy and breaks into the first team and do what he's doing is that they've always got that noose of pure profit on them.

41:40Gary Neville: Yeah. So it's the same what's happening with Ethan Waniere. I'm hearing now that they're not going to sell him, they're going to loan him, which I'm quite pleased about because I don't think at any stage he's had a run at having to have a go at playing in that team. So when you've got someone like Myles, who's playing well, you've seen how this guy's played you've seen how he's played you know in the games where he came in last season when it was Fulham and then when you're looking at then the Champions League then the West Ham game away sorry the Champions League and playing in those guys unbelievable what he's capable of doing of course Man United are looking to see if something can happen because they've seen Guimaraes come in they've seen Declan Rice United need a left back and they need beef in midfield which is perfect for that I think he looks the part in midfield but the thing is is that again he doesn't want to leave no He doesn't want to leave.

42:25And that's the thing that is really baffling me, is why Arsenal don't just come out and just say, he's not for sale. What if they offer 200 million for him? Well, probably, because it's pure profit. You know what I mean? They're probably going to... Everybody's for sale. Everybody's for sale. Yeah, but he doesn't want to go. Arsenal will not say that because they know that somewhere along the line... You know when United rang everything about Wayne Rooney, what's your writing? They said, he's not for sale. Yeah? They said, we'd make it for sale. That's what happens, isn't it? Yeah, but that's United.

42:53And look where United are now. Let's not argue this.

42:58Roy Keane: Well, you can find out on the podcast. That's a question. Sounds great.

43:03Gary Neville: You can add Jordan Henderson into that Chelsea midfield, obviously, as well.

43:07Roy Keane: On paper, if you put Jordan Henderson there,

43:12Gary Neville: have Chelsea got the best midfield on paper there? No. I'm asking the question. Casado, Fernandes, Lavia, Henderson, Rodgers. as players I'm just saying we're talking about the balance and personalities but it's a hell of a midfield isn't it

43:27Roy Keane: yeah it's a very good midfield and you look at Chelsea no European football but you're looking at them players a bit like Chelsea last year you don't know what you're going to get with these group of players do you on a certain day you look at them you're going this is outstanding but they're not consistent are they they can be hit and miss and that's Parma these lads dropping off obviously the interesting one see how Rodgers does there yeah he hit the ground

43:46Gary Neville: hell of a sign in that in terms of the size of it I mean just quickly So Arsenal were saying he's number one midfield. Who is the number two midfield on there then? Would it be Chelsea? Probably Chelsea. It would be Chelsea, yeah. Individually, maybe, yeah. Chelsea then. I think United will be third. United third if Belieber comes in. Well, I don't know. Only because, no, probably Liverpool.

44:04Roy Keane: It's a good midfield to Nali. I think it's a good... I'm actually looking forward to watching.

44:08Gary Neville: I think if Belieber comes in, I would put United probably just with Liverpool. That's a tight one. Yeah.

44:13Roy Keane: Yeah, Liverpool's midfield is very good.

44:16Gary Neville: So would you put Liverpool third or United? I think Man United's midfield, even if you buy Belieber, Bruno Fernandes, obviously one of the best players in the league, but the rest of them just feel like seven out of ten players to me. But would you put Liverpool above Manchester United's midfield there, Cara?

44:28Roy Keane: I would put Liverpool above, yeah.

44:30Gary Neville: Yeah, just about, maybe. So Liverpool third, United fourth, and then between City... This is staggering on City, isn't it, that we're saying this? City before Tottenham. No, no, no. Would you not? No, not before Tottenham, not City's midfield at the minute. That's incredible. Kovacic, Rinders is gone. I wouldn't put United's above... I wouldn't put City above Tottenham.

44:49Roy Keane: Would you not? City's at the moment It's a bit of a problem Mine's just gold I'll have City above Spurs Yeah I'd have City above Spurs No I wouldn't I wouldn't have City Because there's still a question about them hitting you know Spurs, Fernandes I've just been told we've got magnets So would you change them two? Do you want to change City and Unite?

45:08Gary Neville: So we've got Chelsea second That's it then No vote No no I'm just putting them into the position Where are you putting Is that I think Chelsea Are you comfortable with that or not? Chelsea third And who's second? I think Chelsea's second. We don't know about that team yet. Tottenham over City. So at the moment, before signings are made...

45:29Roy Keane: We should have included Henderson. I think he's going to be good for the younger players. OK. So we're saying Kovacic... What a move for Jordan, Anderson. Kovacic and Ryan has not been there. Why would we move for him? Great move, amazing. Why would Brentford let him go? Why would Brentford tear up? Why is this happening? So if he's coming to Brentford to do that job, Why are you here later going, oh, we can move on? He's got that experience. No. If he's coming to be that experience. Really? A good round of players. There's no way that top cities, they haven't even got players there. Look, Kovacic, how old is he now?

46:00What's going on? Will Jordan be fit? Ryan has gone. Will Jordan be fit? He's not even a midfielder. I am in dream. He is. Wow. Jordan's not for any set in the cast, isn't he?

46:14Roy Keane: I actually felt sorry for him. Of course you did.

46:19LAUGHTER I'll tell you what all he is, he can't jump over an advertising board without getting injured. Wow.

46:27Roy Keane: It's a slippy, though.

46:29Gary Neville: It's a slippy advertising board. Just quickly, I mean... Just quickly. I'm not happy with it. Just quickly, right... An hour later. Right has just moved City and Tottenham around. You've done that. Yeah. Just quickly, in terms of our predictions, I suspect we're all saying Arsenal are going to win the league, are we? Is that where we're at? Yeah. I don't think you can look past that. I'm not going to go through the top four or six, but who finishes second this season? We're just talking about the midfielders. Yeah, we are, but in terms of reflection of this, who finishes second in the league? Who do we think finishes second this season?

46:59Gary Neville: You know something? I still think...

47:01Roy Keane: I still want to go City. I think City. I think when you look at Stokou, Semenyo, Haaland... You know what? You've got Haaland who's going to be top scorer. That front three, that's such a good front three. Yeah. But I think Chelsea with no... I think Chelsea are going to be in the top four. I'm going to go. I think Chelsea definitely be in the top four. I think Chelsea be in the top four.

47:24Gary Neville: OK, one more question on this, and you've all got to answer individually. Oh, no. Right, OK. So, if you were going to sign for a manager to play for out of the six managers in the top six, who would you sign to play for? Who would you sign to play for? Mikel Arteta. OK, thank you. Roy, which manager out of those six would you want to play for as a player? Mikel Arteta. No, no. Come on. Roy? Come on. Come back to me. No, because you're looking at the package. You're looking at the package. No, no, no. You're available, Roy. You're 24 years of age. You're signing for 115 million. You've got to sign for a manager.

47:55Gary Neville: In the current state, the club's current state. Where they are, those six managers that are up there, very young. So you're just talking about the managers or the club? No, no, the manager. Which manager would you want to play for? I think if I was a player, I'd probably go, I'd say a long time, not just because I know, but I mean, you know what I mean? It's like, he's a player who's won the World Cup, isn't he? he's had an unbelievable playing career as well and he's done well as a manager. And he's won trophies as a manager. Yeah, I'd go Alonso. So you and Alonso?

48:19Roy Keane: I think I'd actually go to Tottenham. I feel like he's going to do... Yeah, I feel like he's got... That could be exciting. He's going to get the mentality of the team and I like that. Or he could be gone by Christmas. You know what I mean? Well, yes. But I do think he's going to do a good job.

48:33Gary Neville: So you think De Zerbe, Alonso, Ateta, Roy, who are you signing for? That's an awkward question.

48:38Roy Keane: Don't think I might come in for it.

48:41Gary Neville: Come on, Roy. Roy Keane signs for? Roy Keane wants to play under. I wouldn't just go under. We just wouldn't sign for a manager, would you? No, but which manager would you like to play under out of those six? Which team then? You're not a shirker. You're not a shirker. Come on. You can take Jordan's role of Chelsea. Maybe. Does that be Alonso? It'd be Alonso. It's killer. Alonso. It's better my position. I'm going to go Ateta. Nice one. I'm going to go Ateta. Is that because you're interviewing me at the end of last season? No. No. It's just his intensity. I think it's that sort of, that's how I, I think the intensity of it and the defensive strength.

49:14Can I say something? I saw Xabi Alonso doing an interview and he's impressive. He's impressive. That's without even looking at himself. I'm going with Arteta. You love that one. He's impressive. Good lad as well, apparently.

49:28Gary Neville: Yeah. Attention to detail. I'm glad we brought the board out. It's a great board, girl. Right, Super Six. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney+. The new season is here and so is Super 6. This season, Super 6 are guaranteeing a millionaire with a million pounds jackpot until it's won. All you've got to do is predict the scores of six football matches, get all six right as you normally have to do and that one million pounds could be yours. And the best bit, Super 6 is completely free to play. Get your predictions in, play Super 6 and you could start the season one million pounds richer.

50:06Gary Neville: 18 plus, TNCs apply.

50:14Gary Neville: OK, let's go. Right, we're back, Cara. We're back. We won last season. Do you know something, by the way? We've won two years on the bounce. We've won two years on the bounce. David Moyes won two years ago. Yeah, David Moyes won the last one. Can we do a transfer? David Moyes came in on lawn, 160 points one weekend.

50:29Roy Keane: Can we do a transfer? You can take one of our... We won two years on the run.

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51:11Excellent. Brilliant. It's free to play. Gary and Jamie, would you like to go first? Crystal Palace is going to be not. This is going to be not. Crystal Palace, Everton. We're guessing, aren't we? I'm going to go... Gary, you having to go here? I'm going to go 2-1 at Everton. I know. For Everton, no pre-season. OK.

51:27Gary Neville: Cara, I'll leave this one with you. I've not watched Everton pre-season or Palace. Who have you watched pre-season? Everton or Palace. Have you watched all the others? I've watched City and Paris. Who have you played the other day? Lille, 2-1-1. Palace have lost a lot Pre-season I saw up my car today He's an Everton fan He said it was Fucking crap It's 2-1-2 I'm going to go 2-1 to Everton 2-1-2

51:49Roy Keane: So we'll go a draw I feel like we need to do Different to these Yeah 1-1 We'll just get the same 1-1 1-1 1-1 1-1 1-1 Love that Well done Jill That's on you 1-1 Nottingham Forest Versus Leeds Saturday 3pm As not

52:09that's a weird that's a weird one minute girl forest

52:12Roy Keane: forest leads no yeah I know I know you think it's weird yes you know what only one reason why he's gone if he doesn't do well they'll just get rid of him won't the street yeah but you know it's just massive payoff when you're leaving a chairman like or an owner like Steve and you're going into a real kind of like like fire pit fire pit for one yeah I hope he don't It's slaughtering Gary, but, like... And banning me from Forrest, but, like... This could be a draw, yeah. Are you still banned? Yeah. Must be 1-1 or Desmond. Unknown.

52:44Gary Neville: We don't know, Garnt. We don't know whether we've been... I feel like a draw. No. Do you know what? We've got 1-0 Forrest. 1-0 Forrest. I'll go with you. 1-0 Forrest. Carro, what do you think?

52:53Roy Keane: These could be anything.

52:54Gary Neville: I think Forrest will win, do you? Yeah. Why? Because they're out. Leeds in pre-season play Liverpool. I think Forrest will win. It could be 1-1, then. OK, 1-1. We'll go 1-1. I'm not that convicted about... Convicted? I'm going to get my conviction about... Brentford, Tottenham, Saturday 5.30. Come on, you. I'm looking forward to that. I'm looking forward to that. That'd be a good game, that one. Are you doing them games? No, I'm doing Friday and Sunday. I'm going to go Tottenham. You should go Tottenham.

53:23Roy Keane: Do you have to come back home and then go back? Stay out for us. We'll go Tottenham. I've got to get to Newcastle. Jamie's going to go. Oh, to us first. Brentford, Tottenham. Saturday 5.30. I'm looking forward to watching Tottenham. Saturday, Brentford. He's got a good game written off at that, Karen. I think Tottenham have still got the attackers they want, dude. That's the thing, Jane. They've got the midfielders. Are they going to score? Oh, you love a draw. Sitting offence, man. Did I see that Tottenham winning for...

53:49Gary Neville: You see their fans celebrating over in that far corner. The winner. 2-1 Tottenham.

53:54Roy Keane: Did I see that?

53:54Gary Neville: 2-1 Tottenham. 2-1 Tottenham.

53:55Roy Keane: I'm sure they were. Who's that? We're Tottenham in for Gakpo at one point. They still are. He can get you to go with Gakpo. He's very up and down, though. I hope Spurs been pre-season. Does anyone... No, they've done all right, I think. I'm just going off at the back of their two sidings. Because maybe... And what, Richarlison or... I know, but Brentford are kind of machine-like. Right, Tottenham will win. No, I don't know. Go on, go on, go on with that. Yeah. 2-0 Tottenham. Yeah, I agree. That's too simple. 2-0 Tottenham. Spurs are going to win. Yeah, I'm going to Tottenham. Manchester City versus Bournemouth, Sunday 2pm.

54:30Give me that one. Who's this? Manchester City versus Bournemouth Sunday 2pm 2-0 2-0 2-0 2-0 2-1

54:37Roy Keane: I think Bournemouth will be good this season 2-1 City we've got 2-1 City are we saying good in the season as if they weren't good last season you think it's 6 or 7 no that's what I mean no no no no no City yeah 2-1 City it's our goal 2-1 City 2-1 we're getting 2 or 3-0 you're doing that much James I go 3-0 do you not think Bournemouth City will win. I'd go 3-0 City. It's last season. 3-0. Ireland, first home game, new manager. No, we should... Bournemouth, new manager. He's closest to the result as well. Because 3-0... I don't think... He's gone to zero, God. Brighton versus Aston Villa, Sunday 2pm.

55:18Well, I feel he's well in that Super... You watched that Super Cup game? Yeah, I did. What about him? Oh. Brian Magic. But he's out, isn't he? Yeah, he's out till September.

55:25Gary Neville: Caro, what do you think about 2-2? 2-2. They wouldn't go 2-2. 2-2, 2-2. I think we should go 1-1. No, 3-0 Villa, definitely. You're going Villa to beat them free. No, we're not going 3-0. I think it could be a strange result, like Villa to go and win 2-0. There'll be something... We're all a bit predictable here. I think Villa will win. Do you know what? No, I'm going to go... We'll go Villa win. Villa win, then. How much? 3-1? 1-0?

55:48We can't do another. 2-0 Villa. 2-0 Villa. Yeah, Brighton. We've been a bit predictable, haven't we? Newcastle versus Liverpool.

55:56Roy Keane: Sunday. Sunday for the big one. This is it.

55:59Gary Neville: what a big team by the way what is happening in Newcastle

56:01Roy Keane: I know I know as a Sunderland fan I even feel sorry what's happening

56:05Gary Neville: in Newcastle can't be inside of them just all of them

56:10Roy Keane: at once and Eddie Howitt

56:12Gary Neville: at once it is a big loss

56:15Roy Keane: what they've lost

56:16Gary Neville: they've lost the manager in the heart of the team

56:18Roy Keane: yeah

56:18Gary Neville: Liverpool 3-1 a little bit I think Liverpool will just scrape through 2-1 but Newcastle will almost do well in the game it'll almost be a better field good factor about Newcastle with the performance but I think Liverpool will just this confirms everything's up in the air the fans will be trying to seize the tickets no I don't know you've got the year there'll be a big thing for Keegan they'll get the fans both teams that'll last for five minutes when you're a goal down after the first two minutes I'll go 2-1 Liverpool 2-1 Liverpool yeah I'm comfortable

56:48Roy Keane: we're seeing as if they're going to mad thank you well done thank you so much Ben thank you Gary thank you everybody and remember you can win a million pounds if you get all the everything right who wouldn't love a million pounds Good luck to everybody.

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58:15Gary Neville: What do we make of what's happening with FIFA? Oh, God. Girl. Dragging the moot down. Dragging the moot down. I'm starting with it. You know what I want to say, though? The FA or whoever's involved... Oh, no, it's your wafer, isn't it? You've just got to keep going. Yes. Don't hold off. Just keep going until he's gone. Yeah. Don't donate. Yeah, but FIFA doing all that with the business and selling. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've just got to get the fella out. You've got to get the fella out. But people vote for him. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's right. You can see the people now. Of course, but that's how it works.

58:47The ones who are against him, though, I think you've just got to keep going. The thing that'll... Is the Women's World Cup in Brazil?

58:53Roy Keane: Yeah, but they're talking about boycotting the under-20s, but this is what I don't like, because I know for the future generation and everything, but them players might be the only time they get a play in a World Cup. I know it's under-20s. Who's going to hold the nerve? If UEFA have said UEFA nations aren't playing in the World Cup and then the players get there and say, well, what do we care about in Fantina? We want to play in the World Cup. So I think who's going to hold the nerve? I mean, FIFA can't have it where they have a World Cup and the European people aren't. but I just don't know how UEFA are going to how countries and players are going to say I think UEFA are selling a brand day I think they will what I'm saying is if you're a player and you're a bit like am I the only chance to get to play in a World Cup it's a big thing to say yeah you agree but has this stuff been going on the last few years with FIFA you're looking about this idea of them selling the rights thinking surely that's what the last few World Cups obviously in America yeah Qatar Russia so it's been going on for years it's always been about the dollar hasn't it So why are people throwing their arms up No because now it's like an investment thing so people are then going to want back on the investment

59:59Gary Neville: In the World Cup Which is for everybody They would own effectively part of FIFA which is a charity wouldn't they? Yeah Look at the last World Cup the water breaks half time they kick off six minutes late it's happening right in front of our eyes and we're footballing people but we're just to me that's just the norm now it's chasing the dollar It doesn't need to happen there's more than enough that comes into FIFA You know, he himself said that he's billions. They make him money anyway. Like any business, but they always want more. It's called greed. You know they're making billions. He's feathering his own nest.

1:00:31That's what he's doing. Because he was going to be the CEO of it or something. Yeah, he's going to be the head of it. Can he hang on? Can he hang on? No, he shouldn't hang on. I think they've just got to keep going with him.

1:00:39Gary Neville: Don't let him off. Get him out. OK, move on. What's the one thing that's going to shock us this season? Do you remember at the start of each season, we do like a thing that's... I think last season, I said... A hot take. A hot take. I said last season, Liverpool wouldn't finish in the Champions League, if you remember. I said two teams were still up. You did, I think. Yeah. Yeah, I think you did.

1:00:55Roy Keane: I think I said Man United.

1:00:57Gary Neville: What's the hot take this season? Yeah, pretty cool. What's the hot take?

1:01:02Roy Keane: How come your hot take's always amazing, but everyone else is in the draft? Jill's hot take, United will finish in the top four. My goodness. No. Yeah. It was for Champions League. I think Arsenal will be in the top four. I think Chelsea will challenge. Is that your hot take? I mean, is it that big a thing? I don't know Chelsea challenge you have a title but I just think they've got a really challenge What does the challenge mean Cara? Proper being there maybe not that long but I mean almost could arguably be the biggest challenges to Arsenal it's just on the back of no European This is definitely the most unpredictable league we've I'd seen potential in the last 20 years I'm not talking about Henderson Welbeck I like the signing of the lad from Crystal Palace I think that's what he's bringing in experience and he's played in the Premier League Morgan Rodgers and Parma if that works I mean João Pedro I think is a really good player a really good player for them the midfield they've got really good players in there Fernandes and Caicedo and if they have got a competent manager no European football that's why I don't think they can go and win something big but I think they should I'm expecting them to have a really good season there'll be something happening like that there will be a Chelsea will maybe challenge and there'll also be a couple of teams we were looking at and the manager will be sat by Christmas I think Eddie I will be in the job before Christmas Which job?

1:02:20I don't know.

1:02:20Roy Keane: I think Nottingham Forest will probably just get rid of the manager. Which job, Roy? No, we can't say because we don't want to know. There's 20 teams. Right, he said United.

1:02:34Gary Neville: Leeds United. I'm going to go for Jokeres and Sesko to score 20 goals each.

1:02:41Roy Keane: Oh, that's a big shout.

1:02:44Gary Neville: It's a gamble.

1:02:45Roy Keane: I've got a hot take. Coventry to stay up

1:02:49Gary Neville: Oh well done I was going to ask that question Next actually Which of the teams Do you think is most likely I think the team That's more likely to stay up I'd agree I'm going to go with Coventry Coventry stay up Is that a beak out of Jill's That can't be your hot take Just back I know I'm just saying Back it up So hot take for Jill Is Coventry stay up You say Chelsea challenge For the title I say that Jokkares and Cesc Goal 20 goals You League goals Premier League goals Yeah I don't know what more I'd take

1:03:17just have to clarify yeah but if they get 20 goals yeah who was scared he'd score a hat score a hat to go to Debbie from Man United

1:03:27Roy Keane: that would be a very hot tip come on Ian come on Roy but you're a wonder I mean that's not really edgy stuff I don't like when we you know what I don't like when

1:03:36Gary Neville: I said two teams would steal who doesn't finish in the top six that's it who's having a Chelsea season or a Tottenham season that's a hot take isn't it can I go with Sunderland finishing Europe again that's big no I think they I'm sorry I can't just cut across him and say that it was the opinion that's going to come back the fact I'm going to say Sunderland to stay in amongst the European places you know when you think of if the three teams come up we'd always say you know there's a big gap to the Premier League but for them to stay up or for one of them to stay up and a stab not established but a team got a goal yeah and I feel like that gap's been big I think Sunderland could be that team because of Europe they're going to be playing Thursday night to go down I'm not saying they go down but I think they could be I would normally agree with Jamie on something like that where you've had a brilliant first season but I think we're still under a brilliant job that manager's done at Sunderland I think he's smart enough to deal with them that's my answer top seven Sunderland top seven Roy Yeah, for my one, I'm interested in how Brentford do again this year.

1:04:47You know what? Can I have two? Yeah. I'm going to do Sunderland to go down. Oh, wow. Wow. Wow. I think they're the one Premier League team. Well done, though. You're putting it out. I think they're the one Premier League team who I think could get dragged in just for the fact of playing Thursday night football. Jamie knows his stuff, but I'm going to go with them to stay up there. Hold on. We and Jamie, I can watch every week. Top take. Every week is good. Jamie's right. I think you'd have late night last night. That was Sunday.

1:05:17Roy Keane: I think we'll bring in... Where did Brentford finish last year? I think they finished 8th. 8th?

1:05:22Gary Neville: Yeah, top 8th. Where did Brentford finish? They were 8th or 9th, weren't they? Yeah.

1:05:26Roy Keane: Come on, you. I think one of you... 9th. You must have a boiling take. Like, really hot. I've been out of the zone, honestly. I've been out of the footballing zone. I've been switched off. No, he's got a hot take. He just doesn't want to say it. No, no, no, no. You're not going to take? I do like the Coventry one, that was staying up. I was going to go with that one, but Jill can have that.

1:05:47Gary Neville: Ipswich stay up? Hull stay up?

1:05:49Roy Keane: Jill can have one. I think it's going to be tough. Very, very difficult. OK, well, actually, boy, I've got one. If Coventry stay up, who's the team that goes down? If you think it's going to be Ipswich, Hull, who else?

1:06:01Gary Neville: Where are Newcastle going to finish this season? That's the last question, by the way, because you can think about it while I ask that. Where are Newcastle? Where did he finish last year? They were 10th last year, Andy. Where are they going to finish this year? Without Howe, without Tenali, without Gimmaras. If they have a bad start, I think their manager will be at a huge pressure. Without Anthony Gordon. He finished 12th last season. I think that manager could be... And I hear talking about managers and getting sacked, but I think he could be gone by Christmas. Can I say, I think... That could be a hot take.

1:06:27It could be turmoil at Newcastle. I said Eddie Al going in at Christmas. He's still going back into Newcastle.

1:06:32Gary Neville: So, right, basically turmoil at Newcastle. So what does that... Just put it into a statement. Manager gone by Christmas and bottom half of the table. There's chaos up there on the manager. Yeah, huge pressure on the manager. October, November. OK, that's a hot take. And... Oh, Marcus Rashford. What do we think? Oh, fucking hell. Last question.

1:06:52Roy Keane: We're doing a podcast without mentioning Rashford. Just quickly. Stop it. Oh, my God. It's like the Trent and Rashford. There's always like a little part of the podcast, the Trent part or the Rashford part. How is Trent? Oh, my God. No, but he's come back to United. So what? Oh, my God. He's just a good player for Man United. They've got... Fuck it, hell. You know something? Yeah, but there's a lot of discourse around him, James. He gets talked more about some of the greatest players in United's history. No, apparently he's come back. He's a good lad, isn't he? He's come back with a... Oh, has he come back?

1:07:22Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's helping the... Well, this is a thing as well. Yeah. Do him training on his own in the summer? No, apparently he's had a lot of women in the canteen. Oh, yeah. He's got to be the new captain. Yeah, but you know what? I heard words of saying about, like, he's got to change his body language, so as a phone. We were saying this five years ago. Yeah, but... We always were doing repeated, but we've said five years ago on the podcast. Put a little segment in that we said three years ago. Why don't we just let the guy play? Villa, I know Villa. Villa, never had bad body language.

1:07:49Villa, oh, Barcelona, bad body language. You know what I mean? Let's let the guy start his season and see where he goes. Thank you, Will. He's nearly as old as Sean Anderson. LAUGHTER I've got it. Swap deal with Lewis Scully, Rashford.

1:08:06Roy Keane: Oh, yeah. There's a hot take. There's a hot take. That's what I've got to take. With money, obviously, money changes. It's never going to happen. Do you think Rashford will start? See, that's the kind of thing now. You've put that in the ether. They're going to... You think it'll stop? Honestly, I don't care. Did you see Rashford at Arsenal? Would he add something to Arsenal at Rashford? Yeah. Yeah, he would. He would. Something a bit different. In London? It was a popcorn. Different seats from in there. Is this Jill? No, but how does it matter if he's in London? What, he went to Barcelona, he went to Villa.

1:08:37Yeah.

1:08:39Gary Neville: Right, away from Manchester to Birmingham. That's the end of the first episode of Stick to Football. Nice one. Well done, girl. Well done.

1:08:45Roy Keane: I would not need to be back with you all.

1:08:48Gary Neville: Well done, girl. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney+.

1:08:56Gary Neville: Oh, you know, that was brilliant. I'm glad I mentioned him at the end. Fucking hell.

1:09:02Roy Keane: Did you mention him on purpose? Fucking hell. You know when Jamie's... Jamie's eyes go right. It's fine, right? Jamie goes out. Honestly. Every single day he just plays in English football never get a fucking mention. Talking about the teams outside the top six because I feel like everyone only talks about the top six. Someone started a podcast and they're talking about the... 14. Do you know what? I've been around. Trusting, Dev, how Fulham do. Yeah?

1:09:30Gary Neville: That's a bizarre...

1:09:31Roy Keane: That's who I thought you were going to see. Fulham. Do you know something?

1:09:34Gary Neville: We could carry on for two or three hours just chatting about football. Yeah, I know, yeah. We'll be interested in how Fulham do this year. Fulham and Brentford. And Brentford. And Palace. And Brentford would be all right. I think they're a lot of machine in the background. I think they're... Do you know something? I think it could be the most intriguing, interesting Premier League, doesn't it? But the quality could. I just look at it and I just think it could be quite difficult this season. look he's usually entertaining so it's I just think the managers are all young they're all trying to establish themselves obviously apart from Arteta Arsenal I'm not just putting you you should win the league quite comfortably really Jesus Christ look Roy do you know what you'd always say just keep that do you know what you'd always say keep the host in order no righty if you said ordinarily you'd say winning back to back titles is harder it's the only time that I thought actually because if Liverpool won it a couple of years ago I thought to win it again would be difficult but to actually now with Arsenal I think it actually could be easier this year because they've already won it.

1:10:22Gary Neville: This should be an easier title. Do you know what I mean? The pressure's not beta. They have to win a bit. They're red-hot favorites. It's not pressure putting on you that. You know that. We'll rewind this and we'll see.

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