Carrick In, Chelsea’s Rosenior Risk & Rooney’s FA Cup Miracle | Stick to Football EP 111

0:00Just before we get started, a quick thanks to our partners and clothing. We hope you enjoy the show. We're back, we're back And a lot has happened A lot has happened It's going to be a long one today, I think Do you think? Could be You're going to have half an hour on United here We're only doing United and Chelsea, Rosinia Oh yeah, that makes sense There's enough on both of them to do a half an hour Yeah, and then we've got Rooney's brother coming in, haven't we? Yes He was probably tearing up, Wazzo, wasn't he? Watching on the telly Yeah, yeah Yeah. You can hear us coming in. I'll bring it to Pottenham.

0:40Thank you. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. Yeah, OK. What's happening, bro? You cool? All good. All that chills. Cara coming in, beginning, Roy. Sorry? Cara's coming in. After we start, or yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought you meant Cara. I was like, yeah, he usually does. Is that a candle? Is it a train of candle? Yeah, it's quite good, actually. Is that an honour, Dan? So why is it so out of the way? Oh, my God, that's so good. Good vision from you there, Jill, for a midfielder. It's cool, isn't it? That's about a size seven. You can tell. What is it? Yeah, it is, Jill, look. Is it actually?

1:13What size are you? Seven and a half. Oh, yeah? Yeah. I thought you had bigger feet than that. Righty, your jeans are just not quite touching your shoes. No, I didn't want... I would feel very unnerved. Oh, carry your knee. Yeah. Ready knee operation. Like righty on the walk. Anyone put prints on? What did you have done? My cartilage meniscus shaved a little bit. Were you in loads of pain with it before? No, it was just like little nothing. Did something happen for you to say, well, I've got to get... No, it wasn't like I'd done something. It was just like kept training, training. I just got whiskers swelled up and then...

1:50I realise why I got all those games over Christmas. It's because you didn't do any... I don't make the games. I missed the Liverpool Arsenal one. Yeah, I felt like you were working. I felt like you had a few games. No, I only done two. I did a lot. Yeah, you were doing... Were you not in a waiting list then for your operation, or did you...? Oh, straight, I mean, you played for Liverpool, didn't you? Oh, that's it. Cash. Cash. Cash, Steve, for the operation. Yeah, but it just kicked off the last day. Sorry, cos I got it. Yeah, yeah, I got it. My knee's knackered, but I couldn't be bothered to have an operation.

2:23Yeah, not over Christmas. What'd you say? You can't ski then, though, no? Like, my knee's knackered. What, now? Yeah, it should be all right, I don't imagine. Yeah, it was like a keyhole. It wasn't like a big massive... I know, but skiing's bad for me, isn't it? Is it? Yeah. Are you too busy to get your knee done? I don't know, I just feel like I can't be bothered to hobble around for however long. No. What's your recovery? You can still hobble around and work. Look who's sitting, look at me. I came in here in a wheelchair. Don't worry, Riley will chase the dollar. Don't worry, wheelchairs. Of course you will, you know.

2:50You get to this age, it's not a case of chasing it. It's a case of, like, it's there for you. What's your watch, Riley? It's a new one. No, this is a tag tourbillon. I love this. What's this, mate? Is this... I know it sounds silly, but... I had a decaf the other night. I thought it was a big difference. Yorkshire tea. You might as well have decaf. Oh, is this normal tea? Do you still have decaf? Yeah, I'll try with a tea. That's a tea. I hope. I know it sounds very bad. I just can't... They laugh for you. The most successful manager around the stick to football table. Well, that's what I was going to say.

3:26I know, well done. Ian Wright won the baller league. He wasn't even there. Ian Wright won the baller league. You know something amazing? They changed it. It's normally on a Monday night. Right. Obviously for the kids out on a Sunday, because there's so many kids watching, so many kids want to be there, they change it to the Sunday for the final. They don't want to go up against that Monday night football. And it would have killed Monday night football, and that would have been embarrassing for Sky. But now we won it, yeah. You know, it was brilliant, because we finished second to last last season.

3:55We've done a Leicester. What did you win? the baller league trophy just a trophy it's like it yeah it's brilliant I'm telling you it grows on you because like go on sorry did you have much better players last year you know what we added because you can add players so we added about four five players last season we just we couldn't get it going and had this ridiculous draw where you had to answer a question then you get to pick someone we missed a couple of those so we had players that were nowhere near it but then we just used last season experience this season. Again, this season, we had to play more direct.

4:31I know it's going deep now. Because when you're playing five-a-side, you know what it's like, Roy. You need movement and you need people who are comfortable on the ball who are getting pressed. Our main guy, JC, you know what I mean? He got injured and so he was out for the whole season. Another guy, Junior, out for the whole season. So we had to play with players who were a lot more aggressive going forward and wanting to go forward. So defensively, we were really tight but then forward and they were all moaning about us, the way they play, they don't like them, but we've done it, man. We've done it in the end.

5:01It's very skillful. It's very intense, man. Yeah. It's very quick, you know what I mean? But like, for us to do what we've done from then, huh? How long's the games? 15 minutes each way, but after 12 minutes, there's a game changer. So they change the game. Yeah. Yeah, they change the game so it's like one-on-one or, you know what I mean? Yeah, I've seen bits of it, yeah. They'll just throw that in and go like this. No, it goes around and it goes boom, one-on-one so you can run to the halfway line then you have to have a shot and then he gets it then he has a shot or you can do three on three or you get fair play or behind the line if you shoot behind the line you score his two goals and if you foul anyone in fair play you're sent off instantly and so in the end you know against all odds you know now I regard myself as a manager So you'd have a sneaky chance if you denied a job wouldn't you after winning that?

5:51You know what? No joke Roy? Not been interviewed? I'm disappointed I'm disappointed. Especially at Fergus. You know, I'm disappointed I haven't had a call, but I do enjoy it. I do be amongst the boys. You are so invested. I love it. Oh, it's brilliant. I love it. It's like kids love it in everything. I love it. Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing. There cannot be any consideration that Michael takes the job beyond this season for Michael and for the club. Because it's been so bad under Armour. Yeah, it's been bad before, but it's not been this bad. No, no. He's been there with them before.

6:25That's interesting. He's been there with them before. What difference does that make? Risk losing to win. That's to me United's deal. Risk losing to win. That's Ferguson. No, that's Buzzsby. That's Ferguson. That's Ron Atkinson. It's the expectation. They're never going to be as successful. You don't know anything about Johnny Evans coaching? No, I don't. Because he's never coached. That's my point. That's OK. We've got Stevie Holland. A new guru. If it works, then Chelsea... Everyone say, oh, brilliant. Chelsea have moved it on. But if it doesn't, then we'll just go back to what everybody's saying.

6:54There's no experience. I don't get it. You've got to have a go. My guys don't have a fancy this pitching. For us, that probably gives out. Is that what you said? Gay said that. Yeah. If you have some bad results, does the owner come up to you and ask you what you do with your style of play? Just asking for a friend.

7:15And now we've got a very special returning guest. Oh. She do. Hey. Hello. Hi. Hi, Raph. Nice to see you. Hi. Hi. Good to see you. Good to see you. How are you? Looking well, Carl. Hi, Raph. How are you? Good to see you. Good to see you. Hi, Raph. You're all right. Good to see you. What have we got here? Hi, Raph. Have we got a straight-up release? Hey, Raph. What have we got here? Let me have one. I want to pop in, so thanks for having me. And we are doing a collab with Arn Bites, which is, gosh, an incredible opportunity for us So we are doing some healthy smoothies. What are you going to have there?

7:56Oh, amazing. So you don't want to take some out with a spoon out there. So are they going to have these in the shop? So they have them in the store, yes. And they reached out to us because they wanted a really inclusive option for people and a healthier, yeah, drink. So they have some really great things in store. But I thought, oh, my gosh, what a great opportunity. And yeah, I wanted to bring them in for you to try. It's beautiful. So we've got, that's the tropical twist. So it's got pineapple, mango and a bit of banana. So they're very fruit-based. And so they've got a bit of super keen cereal.

8:29And so you've got a bit of fibre. So, yeah, it's a really healthy option for you if you're in the store. So, yeah, I hope you like it. I can taste the super keen. Yeah, can you? Because I have it. Yes, thanks, Jill. Thank you. That's so lovely, Karen. Yeah, thanks. So that's got acai, cherry, raspberries and a bit of super keen cereal. so very high in fibre and lots of fruit, so I hope you like it. Tell them when you say Super King cereal, tell them people what's in Super King cereal. Yeah, Super King cereal, so it's only five or six organic ingredients, so the basics are flour and tygonut flour, so really high in fibre.

9:06Yeah, and it keeps you full all morning, and just an option for people that might not have other options as well, and something that I really struggled with when I was quite poorly, so yeah, hopefully it's, yeah. That's beautiful. That's beautiful. That's all nice. Yeah, it's good to see you. Let me try that. Really good, you guys. Like, take on. No. See you, girl. Go on, have a look. Oh, thank you. Thank you, Cameron. Thanks a lot, Cards. Thank you, Sue. Oh, that's actually really nice. This one, have you changed that one? You can't have a taste. This one's good. Same straw. It's all right. Have you got any diseases?

9:40Don't put lipstick on it. Well, you've already got it. Have you changed it? It's a straw, yeah. Mmm. That one's good. This one's good. That's really nice. The fact that they're healthy, though, you know, because usually healthy food tastes crap, doesn't it? What did you say? Like, healthy food does usually taste crap. That tastes good. I'll keep this. It's like a cross between sorbet and ice cream. Smoothies, aren't they? Nice. Yeah. Oh, well, cheers. Right, well done. Here's Arnand's Supercane. You've matched your watch with your clothes, aren't you? Yeah. I've got a different colour for me. Yeah.

10:19I know. You did look good, Gary. Thanks very much for that. Was this a Christmas Eve bargain? No, I got a Christmas... This is a Christmas present. That was a great... You should tell that story. Who's buying? You Stone Island? Shut up. Emma. Emma brought me a Stone Island little topic story, wasn't it? It was a lovely Christmas story, actually. I was in a selfie on Christmas Eve. Yeah. And Jill bumped into me. I went up the escalator. There's Gary. Before, you sent a Christmas message? No, he sent a Christmas message to all of us, which nobody replied to. I was actually I was just about a reply and then as I went up the escalator there's Gary doing his last minute shopping beautiful stories it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was you don't even do Christmas shopping do you no he wouldn't have enjoyed selfies on Christmas Eve it wasn't too bad though it was quite busy usually was it on your own girl no I was with Sophie Sophie was that yeah No, you were by yourself and then they joined me.

11:17Because I think you needed help. I can imagine, was you doing fast shopping? Yeah, scrambling around. He was so stressed. And then people were coming up to me going, are you filming overlapping here? And I was like, no. I was like, I've just bumped into Gary. But yeah, it was good. I'd recommend going on Christmas Eve though, because they were saying there was a two-hour queue the days before, so there you go. Well, I'll keep an eye out for next Christmas. please. We'll all meet up. We'll all meet up. Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing. Right, last night, Newcastle, Man City. Just a quick one on it.

11:56I thought, actually, it was one of the worst decisions I've ever seen. What, the offside? Yeah. I think Pep was absolutely spot on. I couldn't believe what I was watching. He was never getting near that goal, the goalkeeper. He was never getting near that. But should Haaland be a bit smarter and stand a bit further out? Just to be safe. Just to be safe. That was a really bad one, mate. I just thought it was nowhere. Well, when it takes that long... The keeper was nowhere near Ireland. It's like... And the defender would never have stopped that. You know what I was watching? He was just off... So we give it for interfering.

12:26I was watching thinking... I mean, obviously, I think it was one of those, the VAR one where it winds everyone off because it's like the tiniest little thing. It was for interfering with the actual goal. I thought because his heel was like... They said the defender obviously couldn't make an effort to get it because Ireland was blocking them. Is that right? Yeah. But it was seeing potential offside, that's why. No, he was offside. His foot was offside. He was in an offside position. Yeah, but it should have counted. It was six minutes. It took as well. I felt like everyone was just sitting there, like, what's going on?

12:53It would have been harder to take if they'd just finished 1-0, but the second goal... Yes. Doesn't make it look so bad, does it? I thought it was a good game. Both teams are best. I enjoyed it, yeah. Newcastle aren't quite getting results, but every time I watch them, I like them. I like watching Newcastle play. I think they play the right way. they had a couple of chances they had a couple of hard chances yeah you think the best I think Visser as a striker I get the impression he's trying very hard to get up and running you've just got to go did you see a chance in the first half a chance in the first half and the one what came where he should have hit first time because that's the one if you hit it first time the goalie saves it you get a new from the crowd he might fly in but you get something from that but the first one again overthinking I was thinking right when I was watching that.

13:41You said, this is chance with the right foot and over the left foot. Was that a lack of confidence or would you have took that first time? First time. And the thing is, even if you're going through a spell where you're not scoring, the way it's coming, naturally, you just hit that first time because it doesn't need you to touch it. It's coming at the right pace so all you worry about is the basics and hit through it. And the first one where he had where he tried to stop it again. Shape your body while it's coming. and you know it's coming because the way the ball's coming from across here. So you can shape your body in a way because he had so much space with a goal.

14:15He could shape it anywhere because he could have gone in there, he could whip it in there, and again, he took a touch and then... But if he does take a touch, do you not think that has to be a left foot touch, left foot shock? Because he touched it with his right. It's got to be quick. It's got to be bang, bang. He's overthinking it, obviously. That's all it is. That's all it is. Walter Mard, second half as well. He should have hit it. He should have hit it. Yeah. It's funny, I don't know, because I remember, who was it, Stan Turner, years when I was at Palace and he'd say, the first thing you think when it's coming and you know you've got the chance, the first thing that comes into your mind as a strike is normally the right thing to do.

14:51The more you can stick to that, and it's even like my teacher when I was younger, Mr. Pigman, always said to me, go from where you see the space. As soon as you see the space, because the goalie's got to do his angles, wherever you see the space, don't try and go and take him on because you missed your chance. When you're lacking confidence, right, time is the enemy, isn't it? Without a doubt. Time is the enemy for a striker, yeah. Yeah, but then the thing is, right, is that when you watch, again, you watch this one, because we're talking about St James' Park, the atmosphere and everything, all that's probably feeding into it.

15:18It's a big game, isn't it? It's a semi-final. It's a massive game, it's a semi-final, and he's trying to make sure where it's the last thing you want to do. Just do it. Or at least hit the target, make the keeper, make a save. You talk about a player that probably, because some players are that good, like on penalties, they look where the keeper's going, then they can do it, but they're like the world, they're like the sort of like... Yeah, got a level up, yeah. But if you're like a Visser, which is a really good player, I think you're just saying you're not probably good enough to change your mind mid sort of what would be.

15:43Is that what you're saying? No, I wouldn't say that. Like Cantonaire, some people, like some strikers, they almost look at the keeper and they're that good that they can sort of... Messi, almost like you feel like they'll make the decision. They're in control of the situation. What you're taking away at that whole question, he's come from Brentford, it's no disrespect to Brentford. He's been injured up there. He's not really. So he's coming and he's come to a place where there's a lot of expectation. It's different, the energy in the whole place. You know, so he is now, like you said, he's thinking about finishing.

16:11If he was at Brentford, I guarantee he takes one of those chances, maybe two of them. Do you know how much Newcastle? I think, to be fair, when I watch Newcastle, I always think they're probably one of the best teams in the league. And they should be probably, rather than being the sixth or seventh at the moment, they should be probably like third or fourth, really. When you see them play, if the game's... It's away from home. Liverpool game, the Arsenal game, they were brilliant in those games. but is it, do you know what's there? Two wide players. I feel like they stay too wide. And then the strikers a little bit, do you like?

16:39Isolated, you think? Yeah, I feel like the strike, the wide players, I mean, sometimes they do cut in, but I feel like if they were just making runs more there, I just feel like they maybe would get more goals. I feel like when I watch them, they're the one thing I see, maybe it was against the Sunderland game. Certain games I've watched them, I just think, why are they playing? Why are they doing that, Why are they keeping the whip? When you think about, when you have a centre forward as good as Isaac, Zach, he's going to get the majority of your goals. So in the end, you think your wide players just do the wide stuff.

17:05But then when you don't have someone that good, that's when everyone's got to chip in. And I think sometimes when you look at Newcastle, when they had that 4-3-3 in the midfield, it feels powerful and strong, isn't it? And Gamayras, to be fair, he gets a few goals, doesn't he? They're probably going to have to chip in a bit more, aren't they, from other areas because the strikers aren't. Do you think Gordon should be making that run all the time? I mean, maybe the boy Murphy on this side, I think, is more of a sort of... What you've got, I always think with the two wide left players there, you'd always want Anthony Gordon and Harvey Barnes as one player in that Harvey Barnes is strength as goals he scores but he's not as good as Gordon as a player Gordon doesn't get enough goals what Gordon's doing well a lot he's done it last night he's cutting in and putting great balls I think there was Volta Mardish on the end of 1-0 he's done that a few times he's getting improving at that sorry Jill go on Jill no I was going to say I thought Hall was brilliant had left really impressed with him because there was so much talk about obviously City O 'Reilly playing in there.

17:59In midfield? He looks really good. Yeah. He looks really good now, Nunes. Yeah. Mateus Nunes. You've watched him a couple of years ago, you're thinking, a year or so ago, you're thinking... All the City players are so comfortable in possession, no matter where they're playing. And then Semenya, that's the... Again, the Janik Sani, it looks like he's really... He's a hit. But him coming in, that's the one thing that Newcastle, just about Newcastle players, you think about Dokku crossing it and Semenya getting in there. That's exactly what you want. That reminds me of the best City teams when he had Raheem doing that quite a lot, It's not common sense when the wide player's put in.

18:29The wide player gets it. But I don't think Newcastle are as aggressive at getting in there as, say, for instance. Does Eddie Howe not want him to be in there? I don't know. Yeah, but even if that's the case, as a forward, you just have to get in there. Your instinct is to get in there. When you're saying about Gordon or staying wide, I've seen Bruno at United do it the other day, and he's driving in that central bit, and he's almost saying to the winger, it was a dog who, like, run in, run in. But the winger's got to have the intelligence to know to do that movement. The midfielder shouldn't be telling you where to run.

19:01Gill, as a full-back, if a winger runs in a straight line down the line, you always know you can get back. If they make a run and then cut in, and that ball's right, you're not getting that. As a full-back, you're either cutting that out, it's either going too long, or they're getting it and they're in on goal. It's a killer run that you can't really. Surely from a full-back spot, I always think you must want the ball to be wide of you. Definitely. It's like the Burnley goal. first goal Burnley scored against United they're letting the ball let it go wide and then you deal with it don't be letting people make down little runs Dallot does it Dallot on the first goal Dallot stood one of the big problems with full back Azroy is that if you literally what you're afraid of if the ball goes to you as a left winger and I'm worried about you running at me you'll go and try and get close and then what will happen is they'll do you in there it's a bit of an over obviously that's the challenge that's where you go half you're ready to pounce but you don't walk out and go there you've got to left a big space don't invite him but stand he almost invited the pass what you do yeah you're ready to pounce if it does go there but don't just walk out and go yeah I'm letting that guy multitask when you're in great form as a full back you do let it go there and then go deal with that when you're a bit in cheating form or a bit older you go and close that off and take the easy option you know me I remember when I used to go full back that's what it was getting your distances right and what you want is as the midfield player looks up to play to his wing you're just in that position and he thinks I can't get it to his feet.

20:22And he's always like, give yourself a two or three yards. No, as you got older. As you got older, you just didn't experience one. You just, you can see as you look. You're talking about players at that level and you're saying, but you've got to multitask. You've got to do two or three jobs. You know, I see players doing a job at set pieces going, I've got my man here. No, you have to be ready for this as well and you have to be ready if something else happens. They're like, I forgot what? No, you haven't got one job to do. A fullback, you've got to do plenty. You've got people running behind you, people dropping into pockets.

20:46Be ready for all that. Barnes when Doc who got the boy did he didn't know what to do. Yeah but Doc who knows he's getting good at going outside and putting it in. He'd hate to put it against him. He's a handful. He showed him down the left I think he thought that he was. The worst thing for the full back or wherever you're marking the wide pair up when they can go either way. Saka's now doing it. Saka's now going outside you and cutting back in across you. He's that quick. You're showing Saka on his right foot and now you over show a little bit. Then he comes back

21:20You still want the player going outside you, do you? You do. Instead of going inside playing one, two and getting shots away. But do you know who can help with that? And this is a bit of my thing with United sometimes. As a midfielder, we'd have to put a shift in, playing as an eight, to get back, to get in beside the full-back, so that the wingers are looking up and going, oh, I can't go in there. I think the midfielders aren't willing to put in that shift. We'd have to get all the way back, have to get all the way forward. You mean they'll have to do the hard yards? Yeah, like if you're just getting...

21:49It's a job where you don't get any reward for it, but I just get in the eye line and then that player thinks, you know what, I can't really go in there. But my argument with all these players, and particularly United, that should be your instinct to get back in. You shouldn't be on the outside looking back in, you should be always back in and facing the player. It drives me crazy when I see players doing that. Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing. Let's move on to United, because obviously a massive last four, five, six weeks and where do we start? I mean, to be fair, interestingly, this morning when I got in, I actually said, the first show that we did after Ruben Amarin was appointed was the David Moyes show episode.

22:30And I actually thought, what did all five of us say on that show? And it's interesting, really. None of us overcommitted. It's almost like we're a bit weary. Of course. I think I said, you're always optimistic about a new manager. I can see why he wanted the job next summer because he would have rather been pre-season, implement a brand new system. Those players haven't played a back three at all, but some of them might never have played or whatever Cara you say it's going to be a real challenge let's see how he does in 18 months I wasn't here well you yours was on the fan debate yours was on the fan debate on Monday nice one well done so the real challenge will be in 18 months Roy you said young manager hungry looks like an old for dear with the pressure but being honest nobody knows until he gets into the job properly righty for him to have now until the end of the season let's see what he's got you know assessing the squad Jill you said obviously you commented Jill on the sporting list The city of Manchester is mine.

23:18They've just beaten sports. Sports and Lisbon have just beaten City. So we're all a little bit... What do we make about it? I mean, I don't think... Are any of us in disagreement with the decision to start with that basically Ruben Amarin was sacked? Are any of us disagreeing with that? But if you go back to when he started... So I remember his first game at Ipswich. Sometimes first impressions with a manager. Down at Ipswich. Remember he said the media, he said his head was spinning. He's never doing so much. He said, I'll never again do that much. And we were looking going, well, you will. You were at Man United, man.

23:44And they had a tough all day at Ipswich. and towards the end I thought if anyone was going to win it and obviously Ipswich ended up getting relegated it was going to be Ipswich so that kind of reflected his time at United he never really got any momentum I think they scored after a minute that night at Ipswich but never kicked on he got no momentum in his time there we talk about management wherever we're tactics and systems he's obviously had an issue with people above him and as we know the hardest part of management is managing upwards so it's it was a kind of messy end for him wasn't it but the right decision Roy?

24:13probably yeah I wouldn't disagree with that You know, there's obviously been a lot of talk that he was sacked because he basically had a fallout with Jason Wilcox, and he'd had words about maybe not so much the results or the style of play, whatever it may be. But I actually, he should have lost his job for results. In some ways, if he was going to lose his job, I hope he hasn't lost his job because he's had a few words. You know, that's football. It's passionate. I don't know what was said privately in the room, or maybe things were said that you can't come back from or something, and yet he had to go.

24:41I don't know. but I think if you're Jason Wilcox and you're having a frank discussion with your manager you've got to be able to take a couple of things back and you're not happy with this so listen you's no use of being managers I haven't I've been a manager as well yeah very successful one right here yes right but I don't know what those discussions would entail as such really between the between the majority by the sounds it sounds like he wasn't sacked because of the results it was sacked because there was words there was he should have been sacked for the results yeah Cara, there's no doubt I would imagine at every football club, the sporting director and the manager are having a weekly meeting, either reviewing the week or reviewing the performance of the last game.

25:21That's a must of a meeting. That's happening at every club. After Wolves, I can't believe you wouldn't have expected the sporting director to say, look, what were you thinking there? Why did you go back to what you were doing? Why did you play three at the back against Wolves when quite clearly you didn't need three at the back against Wolves? he's entitled to ask that question but it's how it's been delivered maybe, it's how he's reacted, but he's obviously, the Wolves game for me was you'll laugh at me because you posted it out going back to six weeks they played Everton at home and I looked at the nine fixtures that Manchester United had and I thought, do you know something what a chance this is by the way I know but that's for your Man United no no no, Cara, Cara, even this Man United, seriously, Burnley Wolves West Ham, Everton, Leeds there's Bournemouth, everyone was beating those teams, apart from Leeds, everyone was beating those teams at the bottom, everyone's beating West Ham, Bournemouth, Wolves, Burnley, everyone, even if you...

26:16What from Man United would make you think that they would be able to beat you those, though? But right, not win every game, but you mean cement your place in the top four? I think they got nine points out of 27 or whatever, 11 points out of 27, even if they got 15, 16, I'm not asking for 25 points out of it. They'd be in the top three, it's like, how bad was that run of games? Such a bad run, that. And the performances, to be fair, I actually think, I think what actually in the end probably will have cost him is results have cost him, 100%. What will have cost him in the end is he gave a glimmer of hope.

26:47The Bournemouth and Newcastle and Villa games, he changed. I don't know what he did, but he definitely changed. And it meant there was more attacking players on the pitch and it was just a bit more thrilling. Even though they lost against Villa, they drew against Bournemouth at home and to be fair, luckily beat Newcastle. But something, and then he's gone back, I think, probably through his sort of what would be, not ego, but I'm going to go back to my way against Wolves. I think that's the killer moment. I think when he goes back against Wolves and doesn't beat them at home, I think that's a killer moment.

27:14But there's so much talk about the tactics. I'm like, when he sat down for his interview, he surely went through what he wanted to play with his team. And when I look at it, I'm like, we were talking about that Burnley goal. I think the midfielder had about eight, nine seconds on the ball to pick a pass. That's not tactics. If you're in 3-5-2, 4-4-2, you've still got to get up. Then Martinez doesn't go to the ball. I think they're missing cohesion and fighting for each other. I think if you're in a good team, if you'd played in a 4-4-2, a 3-5-2, you would have probably still won. I think, Joe, on the tactics side of things, one, the fact that the players never adapted to the system better than they did over a period of 18 months is ridiculous.

27:51I mean, look, I played my first four years of my career as a back four United, but back three mainly with England under Glenn Hoddle and you adapt. I mean, you have to adapt and go and play in a different system. I'm amazed they didn't adapt better, particularly the likes of Joro, Martinez, you know, Maguire playing in the middle. They weren't suited to a back four anyway. I actually think, sure, they're suited actually to playing in a back three because it gives them a bit more balance. So the fact they never adapted more is ridiculous. On the system, at Leeds away, where Leeds play two up front, like it's Calvert-Lewin and Nemetra or whatever, I think you can play three against that team.

28:23But you can't play three against Everton at home with ten men. You can't play three at home against Wolves when they've got one up. So for me, it's about the adaptability from going from a three maybe against Leeds who play a two up top to maybe going to a back four and swing. And that's the thing I think in the end on the tactics they kept getting drawn back. You can't have 3v1 at the back at Old Trafford against Burnley or Wolves or West Ham or Everton with 10 men. You can't. You can't have three players there against one and literally only be attacking with a number of... You can't have that.

28:51But then Fetch comes in, everyone's starting to go to a back four and then they draw with Burnley and obviously lose home to Brighton. You're like, again, Don't be bogged down by the tactics and system. The players are pretty important in it. I mean, no one's disagreeing with the actual Ruben Amarim sacking, I take it. No. The bridge now, the bridge of sort of the interim sort of manager, if you like, and Michael Carrick being selected, what do we make of that in terms of, one, the principle of someone coming in to the end of the season as a starter? When I was talking about people who it looked like it was Oli or Michael Carrick, I did think Michael Carrick was probably the best choice.

29:29Not out of them two, but if you're thinking about getting to the end of the season. I think the interesting thing is they haven't called him. Have they not called him interim manager? They've called him head coach until the end of the season. But it almost feels like, especially, and fair play to him, he's brought his own team, he's got Steve Holland in. Carradine will be worried about the interim head coach, because to be fair, usually means the players have got a reason to switch off thinking he's not going to be here next season. I think the interesting thing is this almost like, I've got a chance at a job here.

29:56Did he bring Steve Holland in? Or was that the club? Maybe. Who knows? There are the other issues, Jamie, that might be gone in the background. Do you think if he does really well, he's got a chance to get him the job? Look, I mean, to be fair, I've got a lot of time for Ole, a lot of time for Rude, a lot of time for Michael Carrick. I think the three great lads who, to be fair, I hope he does really well. There cannot be any... They should go straight for two. There cannot be any consideration that Michael takes the job beyond this season. For Michael and for the club. if he wins every game look we could be sat here at the end of the season where he's done unbelievably well and we're always thinking the fans are up and they're in the Champions League places of fifth or whatever it could happen if there's a good run and we could all be getting swayed with it I honestly feel like at the end of the season when you've got Poitino, Tuchel and Ancelotti and I've said Ancelotti I've said Ancelotti I just feel purely because he's 66 years of age he's got probably the best job in the world right now he's probably got one job left at club level.

30:56What, to deal with the people upstairs at Man United right now? To be fair, if there's one person, I think, who's got the... He's probably got the patience for him, but like... There's one person who's got the patience, the composure, the experience of the Premier League, the experience of... He doesn't care about the media. Even the fact that it's Manchester United. Look, for me, I don't think it's a good improvement at me. No, if they want to... He plays that sort of way. The reason I say that, guys, Ancelotti, for me, is a manager. Let's say, Oli had come in, and you know he can't quite get you over that hurdle and you've got your second, third Europa League final I think Ancelotti's the man then I think the energy that would be needed now to turn this club around I don't think Ancelotti's that man He's one of the best I just think Man United right now are a Europa League sort of level team where it's like that's going to take a lot of transferring those energy driving the club forward every single day to get them back up there it's not like we need someone to get us over the line I think it's...

31:54Ancelotti would almost be the guy after that guy. That's what I think. Enrique? Could they play? Simone? I ruled out Enrique purely because I just didn't think he would come. But isn't that bizarre? We're talking about options. You're ruling people out. No, I just thought... But United should be thinking, let's try and get the best of the best. Alonso? He can't go there. Yeah, but Roy, you say that. Like I mentioned Tuchel. Like Tuchel's the kind of manager... Don't listen up on Bruno Tuchel. No, no, the reason why is that But Tuchel's not going to listen to what's going on upstairs there. Has he not spoken to them before?

32:26Has he not gone for the job? Yeah, but they're messing him about, apparently. You know what I mean? But right, how Tuchel's playing currently with England, how Tuchel's playing currently with England with Morgan Rodgers, with Pace, with sort of, you know, on the right, they've got Madweki or Saka and they've got Gordon on the left. It does feel a little bit, we've obviously got Kane up front, and they've got better players than United have, let's be clear, but how he's playing with England currently, I know he's got two very good central midfield players in Rice and Anderson as well, But how he's playing does feel like something that could work at United.

32:52Ancelotti does play like a style of 4-4, 1-1, 4-4-2. They're not going to be able to deal with a character like Tuchel. That's why Tuchel probably wouldn't get Man United, because he's not going to just abide by what they want. He wants to do what he does. That's what they need, United. I think for now, most United fans will agree with the decision to get to the end of the season because of the managers who are becoming available. If they don't get one of the two or three big names at the end of the season, why wouldn't they just go for the person now that they were going to go for? they must be thinking that they're going to get one of them big ones.

33:19Someone who's in the World Cup. You want to appoint a bridge now. You want to appoint a bridge. You might as well just appoint someone who's like, go and get someone else now. I mean, who's going to become available at the end of the season? Well, it's all the World Cup manager you just mentioned. I think the three that stand out are Poitino, Tuchel and Ancelotti, because they've got Premier League experience. And you're mentioning them because you think they're easier to get now, aren't you? And they're available. They're available after the World Cup. Yeah, but surely that shouldn't... Again, if you're after the best, it's like trying to get the best player.

33:45It's meant to be hard walked here. You said Eddie Howe, Roy, on Telly the other day. I mean, I like Eddie Howe as well, to be fair. He would be in the top probably four for me as well. If Eddie Howe got it, if he was available, then... The guys you've mentioned there, there's obviously almost a pecking order. But if you have an option, if you think you've got a chance to go, Man United should be, let's go for the very, very best. If you can't get him, obviously you go down. But I certainly wouldn't be ruling Eddie Howe out of it. I just think it's... I'm a big fan of Eddie Howe as a manager. We're talking about lads coming into the Premier League.

34:13We look at the United manager who's left and all his staff new to the Premier League. That's a big shock to lots of people. It's been a shock to lots of players who've come in TNA the last few years. It's nice to get somebody in who's an experienced manager, quite a calm personality. I think as well, Roy, don't you think that the appointment should be one that's a proper statement? Maybe, I get that as well. A bit of excitement about it. I get all that. I get that stuff, of course. They've had everybody, really, haven't they? When you look at the scale of managers, they've tried from inside. Isn't it strange, the noises the last even few weeks, people said they need someone from a United connection.

34:46I'm not sure about all that stuff. No, no. I don't think that necessarily works. To be fair, Roy, when Hammering was sacked and you started sort of seeing sort of Michael, Oli, Rude, and I can't remember, it felt a bit sad, a bit like, we're here again. You know, we've done it twice before with Oli and with Giggsie, obviously, when David Moyes got, we've been here. Liverpool did it a couple of times, didn't they, with Kenny, and you just think, we've seen this movie before, but I don't think there's any other option for them right now, but if they weren't to get the manager in the summer, I think there would be massive pressure.

35:18If they wanes. What's killed United managers over the last eight years, they've tried everything. David Moyes is a certain type. Louis van Gaal and Mourinho are giants of the European game. They then got two fresh young ones in Ten Hag and Amrim. They've gone for the old boy and all. They've tried everything. They've tried absolutely everything. We've all probably at the time thought, maybe it's not a bad appointment. So you just have to try and remove risks now. Who can handle the media? Who can basically sort the dressing room out and not taking his shit? Who can handle the owners and to be fair almost sort of get across them and say look I'm sorry that's not happening and deal with that and being there and seeing it and done it?

35:52Who plays the style of play? I think it's important. Who sort of plays that idea that United will at least fans will like to go and watch them? And who's got Champions League experience? Who's got big club experience? Tuchel. Tuchel, Ancelotti. Remember when Tuchel went into Chelsea? They were all over Chelsea, remember? He went in and they won the Champions League. I think Tuchel and Ancelotti and look But Eddie Howe now, with winning a trophy and actually getting into the top four, being at a big club at Newcastle, it's probably a step up. But still, he has got that type of experience. I think Eddie Howe, though, it's like best man for the job or best job for the man.

36:24It's not a very attractive job for somebody to go into, really, is it? One of my other points, actually, Jill, at the moment, is to make it an attractive club for players to come to. I think Ancelotti and Tuchel probably would put a seriousness to it that would mean that players might think, OK, they're going to turn. If you put a younger manager in, I think United will lose out. on a lot of players anyway, just generally. But if you've got Ancelotti there, he would encourage, I think, players to come. I do think Ancelotti encourages players, and they need that right now, because I'm not sure players are going to be queuing up at the top to come, unless there's someone there that they can believe in.

36:57Especially if they're not in the Champions League. If they don't make the Champions League, that's not a huge issue for the club in the summer. Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing. What does Michael Carrick do? I mean, Michael Carrick's going into the dressing room today for that first time. what is he saying to those lads he's been there with them before he's worked under Oli and seen Oli get sacked that's interesting he's been there with them before what difference does that make no my point is he knows some of them and what difference does that make yeah but at least what is he saying to them right now I think something you need someone to come in who's got a clean slate with people in there that was to say it was a positive but what is he saying to them right now this morning he knows they've underperformed for Oli a manager he saw got sacked underneath some of them what is he saying to them right now what can he say because if he goes in and goes in with a like you've not done this and we need to go back to it.

37:44But what is he saying to them? And he's going to lose them anyway. I don't know what he says to them because I don't know what you can say to them. But we've got experience of, you know, you've got experience, I've not got experience of actually a new manager coming, I have, with England. Right. If you've been at a club where a man has been sacked partway through a season, what is a new manager? You've had it, Cara, maybe. You've had it, Jill. He's got to make a big, as strange as it sounds, I'm being critical of Manchester, they are in a position where they're still in contention for Champions League position because the league is so mad you've got to build that up to be something like they're in a great position to get in the top four exactly Liverpool are not great Chelsea have got Chelsea and Liverpool in Europe listen it's a nightmare for United they're only going to play 40 games but you've almost got to try and spin that to a positive as in like right we're on a mission from now to the end of the season how many games they've got 16, 17 games I don't know Champions League football but you know it's massive for the club and you've just and Man United have got good players I think we sometimes forget because it's been so bad under Ameren that, yeah, it's been bad before, but it's not been this bad.

38:42Oh, no. So what I'm saying is, Man United even under Eric Tenag at one stage, I think finished third one season. Oli's finished second. Mourinho's finished second. And at the time, you're saying, that's not good enough for United to get that. But it's not as bad as this. So I think if you play, the system that suits those, there's still good players in there. It still should be a team that qualifies for Europe. I don't think they're quite, they're not good enough for Champions League. How does he play, Caro? obviously you'll be doing Monday Night Football this week you'll be looking at his players how does he set up against Manchester City at home on Saturday oh god Man City at home listen when you say a good time to play they have played midweek Man City you've had a free week Man City got players out at the moment you look at the centre backs last night I mean but do you have to you've got to get the crowd involved you've got to be you know you've got to but when a manager goes in do you have to go and have big speeches with the players well you'll have to say something to them right you say hello morning I went to Sunday and I didn't speak that I played for about two days when I went in.

39:36I swear, I just thought, what's a bit of training? Keep on guessing. Keep on guessing. You don't have to go to a big speech because that's probably predictable. The manager goes, look lads, we'd have to roll our sleeves up, we have to dig in, you're better than what you are and you get all that stupid speed. Did you do it on purpose and not speak to you? Yeah, I just thought, I'll give him a couple of days just to chill out. God, I bet they were so glad that had you. It's interesting that, Roy, because I actually remember when Fabio Capello got sacked just before the World Cup and Roy Hodgson went in, if you remember, and I went in with him to do the Euros, for the Euros in 2012, he had a very similar thing.

40:06He said, look, we're not going to go in and do any sort of big rah-rah speech. He said, what I'm going to go in this morning and tell them is what we're going to do in training. This is how we're going to play. He said, I'm going to give them the football information that they want. I suspect Michael, knowing Michael quite a bit, he's not going to be going in with any rah-rah-rah speech. Absolutely 100%. He may not even be sort of talking about the Champions League thing quite yet. He might just be talking about, this is how we're going to play. this is the system you might actually be telling them the football information and getting them thinking already about how they're going to line up on Saturday but even with the training lads you might go in today and go I'll make it all late I'm not going to be too heavy five-year side competition get lads on side smiling again everyone loves that one listen all the quotes the next few days guaranteed from you know oh there's a spring in everyone's chefs happy the bus driver's happy you have to hear all that bull the next two games city and house But they're a great staffer in the one hand.

40:58Could you imagine? We're talking about City being a bit tired. You know what I mean? They've got the quality to beat, like Newcastle, and you've got Arsenal trying to get this finished. You know what I mean? There's two teams that you can go to with nothing to lose. I don't care what you say. The fact is that you've got them two games. If for some reason United can win them two games or get something or show two good performances, the confidence will come back instantly. It will come back. You said something, Gaz, I wanted to bring it up on here. You talked about United DNA and I thought it was interesting.

41:30I think it was on Sky Sports you said it. You were talking about Ajax and Barcelona. You don't mind United better. What is that? Because I think there's only those two clubs you're talking about who have actually got that, actually, in terms of Ajax and Barcelona, because there's actually a link between the two clubs. No, I think if you look back from United from 1945, and not just for Alex Ferguson, going back through 1945, Pace, massive throwing the kitchen sink at everything and taking massive risks. Wingers. Wingers and wide players. Yeah, I get that, I get that. And playing with young players, usually.

42:02You know, maybe some players from the academy. So there is a DNA of, basically, we can't be a team that defends deep and sits and plays on sort of reactive. We've got to be a team that's always on the front foot. Now, that doesn't mean we don't sit back in certain parts of games, but you have to look to... You know, the goals that Manchester United historically have scored have always been high-paced, fast-paced, taking players on, full of risk. Now, I think actually in Bermol, Cunha, Ahmad, I think they've got some players who do that. What you're describing there, I would say is, yeah, I know you go back, what I'm saying is, I think every top team in Europe now, everyone's an attacking team.

42:34No, I don't think they're not. I don't think United have the personalities that they're the players or the mentality. City are a positional possession team. Chelsea, historically... Yeah, but that's because the manager is... No, but historically, if you think of how a club played at Chelsea and Arsenal, United couldn't play... I mean, Arsenal are a brilliant team, by the way. Absolutely fantastic. They win 1-0, they keep clean sheets. Man City, probably in that game against Liverpool last week, historically would not have sort of sat there. They would have just literally made attacking substitutions, risked losing to win.

43:01So that's to me United's deal, risked losing to win. That's Ferguson. No, that's Busby, that's fucking Ferguson, that's fucking Ron Atkinson. That's Ron Atkinson. Honestly, Dave Sexton came in, Mourinho came in, Van Kyl came in. We didn't like the football, Cara. Positional, possession, cautious football. We didn't like it. But what I'm saying is... That's the point is... OK, no, I understand. You know United a lot better than me, but when you talk about Ajax and Barcelona, that's like a... It's not just, oh, we want our team to attack. That's like... That's coaching sessions. That's like a system that never changes.

43:34That's... That's Georgia Academy. Exactly. That's everything. And there's only those two clubs, and it's a Dutch thing. It goes from Ajax and Johan Cruyff to Riener Schmeichels and Barcelona. But United do have a principle. I get that. And, you know... But what I'm saying is a lot of top teams will have the thing of attacking. but every manager will come so what's Liverpool's DNA is when Jürgen Klopp comes slots are slightly different you're basically it's very difficult to bring a manager in and say right you're because you're bringing the manager in because you think I want you to do what you did there I want you to do that there so that's not a club's DNA that's the manager's DNA bringing that to the club I disagree because what I think I think Real Madrid have got a DNA they've got a DNA of star players the best players in the world of thrill, of attacking.

44:19It's not necessarily positional or possession or a coaching system. It's a way of actually approaching football matches. I think United's deal is similar to Real Madrid in the sense of how they approach matches. I do think there is a values and principles that doesn't necessarily have to be Dutch coached or whatever. So when Lujan Al, I thought Lujan Al when he came to United, I thought that was one of the best coaching sort of things I've ever seen. To get him to come and do what he did and get those players doing what they did for that year or two. It was unbelievable. But none of us liked it.

44:50Fans didn't like it. It wasn't exciting. It was so many sideways passes, Roy. That's a little bit like Slott now. Slott's won the league. But Liverpool fans are a little bit like... So it's not just a Man United thing. That's football in general in this country. We want to see our teams, like the crowd involved. No, but I think Everton would be like that. They want the ball for home. I will say Everton. Everton have got a DNA, right? It's not a DNA of... But I think Everton, fast, direct, big strikers, putting poles in the box, make sure there's loads of crosses. That, to me, is Everton. Centre-halves that are dominant and winning.

45:24That, to me, is Everton. If you don't give Everton fans that, they don't like it. You know what I mean? Tottenham fans, it's always a little bit silky. It's always a little bit players like Glenn Hoddle, Madison. Long time. To me, Tottenham have a DNA that's... Rollovers chalk. Do you not think, though, they need a little bit of a reset? because whenever I watch the games, I feel like the players are always living in your shadows. And don't get us wrong, even the game the other day, I think Sesco had a chance. And in the punditry at the end, they were like, I remember when we had Dwight York, Andy Cole and all this.

45:58And I'm like, yeah, but with so many years on, the Newcastle strike and misses yesterday, they're not mentioning Alan Shearer. I do feel like they need a bit of a reset where it's not getting rid of the DNA, but what are we? They're not going to win Champions League. Jill, I've heard this a lot, you know what I mean, about the hangover and the clouds of Sir Alex Ferguson, the class of 92, Roy, Rio, everyone being in the media. I've heard that a lot. When we were playing, Samat Busby was there. Bobby Charlton was there. You've got to be inspired by the history of the club, not overwhelmed by it and melt.

46:36Yeah, but the expectation, I mean. You mentioned them. So who's around there now? That's a great manager, great players are there now. So who's the great players who are there now? Should Roy be sitting in there? Should somebody be sitting in there? Because I don't know what you mean by... No, what I mean is, though, righty, to be fair, clubs sometimes have... Because if that's the DNA, then surely he should be there, you should be there. When I go to Liverpool, right, I'll guarantee you I will see Kenny Dalgleish, Ian Rush, Phil Thompson, Phil Neal. I will see these players, right? and I would imagine that the fans, the players are inspired by seeing these unbelievable historic characters.

47:15Not like they're sort of like, it's not a pressure having them there to me. It should be like a dream. You should embrace all that. I'm not disagreeing. So why isn't it then? Why aren't you doing it then? I think what you're saying, Jill, let's just cut to it. Amor mentioned you, didn't he? Yeah. So what I'm saying is the way, I understand what you're saying and I actually, I watched the documentary, the 99 thing on Amazon the last few days and I've seen all that sort of, you know, Matt Busby there and Ferguson talking about having him there and stuff like that in the background that inspired him and stuff like that.

47:46You're talking about being in the lounge or in the boxes or the director's box. You're talking about those people. That's fine. But the way that the pundit-y landescapers like just sort of almost blew up now with social media, us, these shows, podcasts, it is a different world even to when we were playing. So when we think about Man United Fair, I'm not saying they're failing because Man United people are in the pundits. What I'm trying to say is, would you think the eyes of Manchester United is more than anybody, isn't it? There is more sort of voices. And it's easy for us to say, or probably you to say, yeah, you've just got to get on.

48:24We had it in our time. But it is different. And also, they're not as good as you. No, Cara, I get that. Look, Cara, I think what Ruben Amman was referring to is basically this idea that I mean that someone said Wilcox has gone in and spoken and said did you see Gary Neville's comments I can't believe for one second that's ever happened right seriously this is nonsense right so for me my Wolves podcast after the Wolves podcast I was certain after one minute of the game let alone five and I said it after 20 this was before Wolves scored before United scored I was certain this was going to go badly wrong if he didn't change I was absolutely certain because I've watched United a lot United fans watched it United fans were thinking it everyone was thinking it right he mentioned my name in his sort of last press conference but the strongest words actually about Ruben Amarin pre him being sacked were from you and that's not wrong, you weren't wrong by the way you said basically, you almost, I can't remember the exact words but it was in your Telegraph piece and you said offence that he's not good enough to be Manchester United manager I remember reading that headline and then reading the piece and thinking, Cara's gone, you know what I mean they're the strongest words, to be fair, no United manager no United ex-player pundit that I can think of We were very critical of the performances against Everton Wolves, Burnley.

49:38They were awful. It was terrible. But none of us actually asked us for him to be sacked. None of us said, like, get him out of the club. None of us did that. No, I'm not talking about him individually. I'm talking more, probably more, not so much Ammon, more about the actual players. Do you think they sometimes... Did Liverpool have that, though, during the Liverpool down years of the 30s when they had Lawrenson and Hanson on television? Yeah, probably. Listen, by the way, I'm not trying to give these Man Utd players excuses. I'm trying to think of sort of a young Man United player probably signing for the club obviously nowhere near the level of use and what you're talking about say Hanson and Lawrenson I mean obviously the famous one as I said I was watching the 99 documentary what he said about use now that you still remember that but comparing Punditry to 30 years ago when someone had taken a match of the day to where it's like it was hard hitting constant that was hard hitting I get it I totally get that I understand that but what we've got What we've got now is it is a completely different landscape.

50:34We're part of it. We love it. We love talking about football every day. I mean, Scolese and Bussie, ask for tickets, and they were next to Ferguson, I mean... But the backdrop, the backdrop of the backdrop of the you can't win anything with kids, there's a big backdrop. But is that part of the package of playing for the big clubs? Yeah, I agree, Roy. I agree, Roy. Because when these lads sign, when you're signing players and you're sitting here... But so many of them fail at United, Roy, and I sometimes don't like the old bad... I'm not saying this. Even if they fail because of the expectation and the pressure and the badge and the history.

51:06Again, you ought to embrace that or you go under it. But that's part of the challenge of playing for, I'm sure, Real Madrid. Lads have gone to Real Madrid, Barcelona, sink or swim type of mentality. But that is part of the challenge, surely. But are the players good enough? Mine's not about yous being around the club and everything and punditry. It's the expectation on them players. So it's like they're never going to be as successful. I can give you a list of players here, Jill, who've played for Man United over the last 20, 30 years. deep down I might think do you know what they're not really top players but they've been able to deal with playing for Man United and they've rolled their sleeves up they've ended up playing 1, 2, 300 games for Man United because they've been able to deal with all that technically you might go he's a lucky boy here to play for Man United but part of the challenge is a deal with expectation you're expected to win every week and Carrick goes in there and I'll look lad you embrace that don't be hostage to the past don't worry about what that's not on these teams but you have to go out and embrace it lads you've mentioned earlier there but players are doing the hard yards.

52:00I'll forgive you for most things but whatever you do, when we lose possession, little things, you get yourself back. Do you know what's interesting? After the Wolves game, Ruben Amory obviously did mention me in that press conference. But he never mentioned the fact that 75 ,000 people booed enormously at the end of the game and the ones that stayed in the ground absolutely booed the players as they walked around the pitch. That is the biggest indictment that you can have. If you're being booed at Manchester United, you have to do something really crap. If they start pointing their fingers at pundits, then they've...

52:28And remember, you're on about this year. Neville, you're mentioning last year. Those fans, by the way, the loyalist fans in the world with the players and with the manager, they went that night. But Neville, you're on about the last one or two. Go back to last season. If you want to go back a bit further, the home record where they finished and then all this pre-season we're saying the manager needed a pre-season, whatever, and then the pluses, all the daft people were saying and they're out of Europe and then they're getting knocked up by Grimsby. As if it's a good thing to be getting knocked over these competitions.

52:52You need games, you need momentum, you need rhythm, you need expectations, dream position we've got to try and finish fourth and if he doesn't get the job it'll lead him to another job somewhere but he's got to get a group together and that's management whatever about training sessions you get a group of people together a top manager walks in and he gets a grip of the group and says this is where we're going lads are you with me and you're dragging with you does anybody think that I mean I'm quite emphatic that I think however Michael does and hopefully does brilliantly well when they get in the Champions League that Manchester United should still bring in Tuchel and Chalotti at the end of the season are we all in that position now that that's what I'm saying.

53:26The only thing I think is the Celtic, like Martin O 'Neill situation. That's the only thing where I'm like, he came in, did well, the change, got rid of the... Yeah, but he was a legend before. But then they've referred back to him, haven't they? No, I get that. What I'm saying is he's got that sort of thing behind him of being a great Celtic manager. Michael Carrick, listen, a good, sort of, you know, decent managerial career, sort of, middle spread. It's not, Manchester United should not be employing Michael Carrick. Listen, love him, hope it goes, Well, I don't hope it goes well for him. But listen, I hope he does OK.

53:56Well, his wife, Canava, has come in because she's got a bit of a big mode sometimes. I am going to say, if it goes well, I'd like to see people. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. She's just probably somewhere just going about her business now. Bam. She's probably doing a tea talk. She's just doing a tea talk. Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing. OK, Liam Rossini. You know, I think for the... You look at that signing, for me... Not signing, that appointment from... Are we moving on to Liam Rossini? We have to, yeah. I think my smoothie's just quite been good. I think from Chelsea, with everything that's gone on with Chelsea the past few years, it could work out to be a pretty good one when you look at him being at Strasbourg.

54:42He knows the players. I think so. I think so. You know what? I thought he spoke very, very well the other day, you know, in respects of... You look at Maresca, someone like Maresca, I think one of his biggest problems was his communication with the fans and how the fans saw him. They didn't like that. And that's just the fans and just the way he was. But I think the way Leroy Rossellor is, the players he knows. Liam, sorry. Liam, you're still with his dad there. The players he knows, the coaching people he knows, the people upstairs, obviously with Strasburg. He's got players at Strasburg that are probably going to come as well.

55:15I think he's got a great opportunity to hit the ground running. What is a great opportunity? He knows. Unbelievable opportunity. Right, can I just say something? I said this before Moresca got sacked, actually. You've got a club that has got no experience whatsoever through it. So they've obviously adopted a young player, they've got the youngest squad in the league. They've got young ownership in respect to Premier League. They've got rid of all the sporting department that had the experience with Marina and Petr Cech. So they've got a relatively young, in terms of the scale of club, sporting department.

55:44And they've now got another young manager. At what point... to me, I just thought they would put someone with real experience in to almost like just give guidance to them. Maybe that might come, Gal, but at the same time, we were talking about how... It's a five-and-a-half-year deal, right? Yeah, but what I'm saying... Yeah, but he'll be gone in six months. I'll have a bet he won't see that contract, though. Who does? What I'm saying is that whatever we say, Chelsea are doing something that's kind of different. It's very different, yeah. It's very, very different. Who knows? Maybe they're putting him in five-and-a-half years, then they might bring the experience in to help him, whatever it is, but they're doing...

56:17Why five-and-a-half? because to be fair, it's just a charade. Because he's in the system, isn't he? No, but seriously, right. I don't even know if he put a contract. He said, come from Strasbourg, you're at Chelsea. But right, a five and a half year deal with a 12 month notice period, which is something like that. Why create that charade around him and say, oh, look at us, we're giving a... He did the same with... Not a single... Pardew got a seven year deal, Moyes got a seven year deal at United. It just, it's unnecessary. A three year deal is probably just... It's like the time of Kidd, yeah.

56:46Yeah, but that's what Chelsea are doing. And it's the same with them coming in and giving those really long contracts. They're doing it differently for whatever reason. We have to see if it works. Do you agree with it, righty? Do you think those young players at Chelsea... Look, I think Liam Rossini... They need experience. I know those players need experience. I hope he does unbelievably well. We hope they all do well. Yeah, of course. Anyone who goes in. So my point is... It's something he couldn't refuse. Do you think those young players need a young manager? Do you think the young manager needs those young players?

57:10Do you think there needs to be some experience? You know what, Gal? Of course there needs to be experience. But like I said, Chelsea are not thinking on that. So we're going to have to see that. You're just talking about players coming in and recognising the club they're at. He's got to recognise where he's at. They've got to now perform. If it works, then Chelsea, everyone say, oh, brilliant, Chelsea have moved it on. This is great by Chelsea. But if it doesn't, then we just go back to what everybody's saying. There's no experience. I don't get it. You've got to have a go. I'm thinking from a Liverpool point of view.

57:39Every time Liverpool appoint a new manager, my first thought is, can that manager win us the league? that's my first I've got to believe this guy can win us the league and there's obviously Liverpool supporters at the moment not too happy with Arnais slot there's a lot of people say oh we should change the manager but I look and it might be a little woody where the game's going because sporting directors are becoming so powerful and the sporting directors actually feel like the manager doesn't need to be amazing we're amazing and we'll just put almost a head coach and I look they're not even able to count but I look at I know Man Utd might be to the end of the season but at the moment it looks like Michael Carrick's come in, he's got his team Leroy Rosinha's come in at Chelsea they're not winning the league Chelsea are not winning the league with Rosinha as manager Carrick's not winning the league at Man Utd I know he's only there till the end of the season but who knows it might change and This is my newspaper column on Saturday, so I'm just going to give a little plug.

58:38thanks for that do you buy it yourself? no the point I'm trying I definitely don't don't lose track if you want to see the best of Jamie Carragher read the Telegraph tomorrow the point I'm making is a big part of football for me is those big managers who have like got to like Marie Aden Shankly what I'm saying is those big giant figures we can't lose that and have I'm not being Michael Carragher and Liam Neeson might turn up to be those managers they're not those now for these clubs to go and win the league Where are those managers to come into Chelsea? Exactly I think we might be going through a phase that those managers maybe aren't quite there but the thought that we're going to lose those type of figures because these sporting directors become more powerful and we're just going to put a coach in there and it's fine he'll just do what we said because you've got to have that feeling a manager's got to take you on a journey I know that as a Liverpool Liverpool fans adore the managers this guy's going to take us and you dream and you fantasise about where it's going to go the same managers you look at him that is not happening Chelsea so you give him a six year deal he won't be there listen he'll probably be there two or three years like a normal manager he's not going to win the league he's just not you think of the figures who win the Premier League Mourinho Conte at Chelsea Ancelotti Ferguson there's a correlation it can happen but there's a correlation I think and we're seeing it at the moment when the best managers are in the league and we've not got that at the moment and the most experienced the football in the Premier League is at its best and our Champions League performance.

1:00:08When you had Mourinho, Wenger, Ferguson, Benitez in the mid-2000s, there were a big Champions League period. Similarly, when there was Pep Guardiola, Klopp, Pochettino was in Champions League finals, Tuchel with Chelsea, their great experience managed the football. The Premier League was its absolute pinnacle probably three years ago. Now, it's going through a little bit of a dip. That's because of the managers in the league have dipped in quality. But the power is changing for managers now, or coaches. These directors of football are having a lot of power. So you talk about managing up. Imagine you're a manager, a coach, and you've managed a good few hundred games and you're speaking to somebody above you and they will be dictating about players coming in and you're hoping he's going to be a help to you instead of a hindrance.

1:00:45And it's hard for a manager. Like even Amrind, I'll try and help him out a little bit. You're going, he's getting frustrated. His results weren't good enough. Imagine he's trying to get players in and they've spent a lot of money and you might have Wilcox and one or two others trying to tell him what he should be doing. That can lead to frustration. If you've got somebody above you who you feel is helping you, I know we've had this conversation before, but a lot of managers will see him as a hindrance, then it's going to lead to clashes. Right, but before Sporting Direct, if you've got strong owners, right, they're likely, if the performance is so bad, they're likely to ring a manager on a Sunday or a Monday and say, look, what went wrong there, guy?

1:01:15You know what went wrong there, mate? You know what I mean? You as an owner, if you haven't got a sporting director... You'll always be answering to somebody. I've never done this. No, he's a middle guy, but I've worked with owners. I had to work with Sunday owner or... Sometimes, yeah, they can speak to you, but it's the way they speak to you. Or when they come in your office and they're getting a tactics board on, you're sitting there going, is this really happening? It is. It's surreal stuff. It is surreal stuff. You're trying to get a player in. Or an owner's trying to tell you where you should be living.

1:01:43You have all them clashes with an owner sometimes. I had a situation. I identified this player. I said, if we can do a loan deal at the club. I spoke to the manager. The owner rang me that night and said, we've done a deal. We signed him. I said, no, I mentioned the loan. He went, no, the deal was that good. So you have all them little things going on at the club in the background. That'll be going on at most clubs. So that's where the clashes might be. Sometimes you've got a manager's lost a job. Not necessarily because of results, it's because of the clashes. You know them clashes, Roy? And that's where I go back to sort of Amran and Mareska.

1:02:13Now, I was critical of both managers because I don't like people in public arguing with each other. I think of football clubs like your family, we all have problems, but you keep it in-house, you keep it... So that's the thing about Wilcox and Amran. I hope he didn't sack him because he had an argument. I hope he sacked him on the back of the judge. But I was critical of Mareska coming out and all that crypto comics. I don't like that. But if you're a sporting director and you want to have top managers and all those big beast managers that we've had in the past and we've had in the last few years, there's going to be friction.

1:02:43There is. They're not going to be yes men. Look when Brendan leaves Celtic. I know when managers are leaving, the clubs are making statements about managers. My goodness. But Roy, Nancy. So that's the issue. Managers are not easy to deal with, by the way. Of course. So I'm stepping into an owner's perspective now and a sporting director. if you accept when you go in and question a manager as a sporting director or an owner, they're going to be upset because they don't think you have a clue about what you're talking about. And some of them don't. So managers, in my opinion, get incredibly paranoid.

1:03:15They think everybody's against them and they become quite insecure. That's the nature of them, even the big ones. So if you go and ask them, what the hell were you doing last night? Now, they won't ask them in that way. Jason Wilcox has said, Ruben, why did you change? Why did you go back to that system? It's what 75 ,000 people were saying in the stadium. it's what we were all saying he's got to be able to handle that that's part of your manager's job that's managing upwards and give it an explanation why you're playing that system but managers are difficult to deal with as well from a point of view when you're trying to ask him for an explanation as to why you made that substitution or what we're doing next week and why did you give him a day off why did you give him two days off that's a big one should that be questioned though or should it be the manager's good point Jill that's the balancing act but if you in every other business Jill honestly it's mad football Managers are not this protected species that can just sit there and do whatever they want in a football club, right?

1:04:04They have to be held to account. You apply a manager to handle hundreds of... Yeah, you apply a manager to make decisions why you need to give them a day off, and then you've got to ask him why you're giving them a day off. Because you're walking with the group. Pep gave City players three days off last week or four days off on Christmas. But, Roy, if there's patterns of poor performance and results, you have to say, why are you keeping doing this? You have to be able to say to someone. If in the business, any business, we would basically sort of add a manager there that was not delivering performance, or sales weren't going through in a restaurant, as an example, you'd go to the chef and say, chef, we're not selling any of them.

1:04:34Why do we keep buying them? You'd say it to them. You might have a row, but it'd be normal. Does it work the other way, though, if they do give them days off and it's successful, they'll go in and they're like, well done. Do you know what I mean? There might be unreasonable owners, but owners ordinarily only get pissed off on a number of things. One is disrespecting an asset that's cost a lot of money and devaluing those assets, and sometimes managers do that. The other is performances being poor and fans not being engaged and being upset. And the other is results. They're the things that usually piss an owner.

1:05:03You're questioning the Salford owner when he gives them two days off or they're in every day or they're doing a couple of sessions. But my point is, if a Salford manager bought a player for big money... No, I'm not about days off. You mentioned days off. If you're continually getting poor performance, poor results, and then you look at, let's assess what we're doing here. What are we doing that's giving us these... To be fair, the Salford manager right now is getting great results, fourth in the league. So they can have four days off a week. if a chef is selling loads of food and you're doing loads of it you leave the chef to get on with it if the chef is struggling and the money's going and you're losing you think right okay we need to go have a so my point is you have a conversation with a manager a chef of course you have to have a conversation with them managers are not sort of protected to a point where you can't have a you've got to be able to challenge them of course you do we've just drawn against Wolves we've just lost against Everton we've just drawn against West Ham we've just you've got to be able to say what's going on but you'll have a manager under huge pressure and then just say, it could be a certain day, it could be timing.

1:05:58The last few weeks with United, it looked like the timing's all a bit wrong. The manager, it could be a call from an owner, Jason Wilcox to the manager next morning going, you're not getting that centre-half. And it could be timing for a manager. You might have, again, a couple of bad results, pressure. So you've got to get all that timing right. And the tone of your voice when you speak to somebody, that's all part of, that's all part of management, surely. The minute that you go in as an owner or a sporting director and say to a manager, why did you do that? You know there's a potential for a firework.

1:06:25You just know because you're questioning his decision. Now, ordinarily, a manager, to be fair, is comfortable, might come and say, look, I shouldn't have done that last night and take the edge away from it. But if there's a friction building, that's what's happened there. You've got to get that timing right, I'm saying. You just can't pull the manager when you know whatever might be going on and you're entitled to do that. Roy, if you were an owner, Roy, if you were a manager or a sporting director at a club, if you were an owner or a sporting director at a club and you saw a series of performances and results that were bad, you would go and say something to them.

1:06:57Yeah, you'd have a conversation, of course. We don't know how it's delivered. Yeah, we don't know. But as a manager, would you, is there not like a bit of clarity on what the role is? Because if I was a manager, I'd be pissed off if an owner was going, well, why are you giving them a day off when I'm on the ground with them every day around them? Like, surely that's my job to manage the place. Why employ me? An owner would never get involved in that level of detail. They do, Gary. Gary did. If the results were continually a pattern of bad ones and performances that's when an owner or a sporting director would ordinarily say look we need to have a conversation because or if you've got a player that you've let's say a manager has invested 60 million in a player and they're never playing and it's like devaluing I mean that's happened at United a lot by the way in the last 12 years where they've spent a lot of money and these players have been devalued all the time Liverpool get great value out of players some clubs get really good value out of players to be fair the boss at United when we were there he got good value out of players ordinarily.

1:07:54My point is, if you're devaluing assets, if you're getting poor performances or you're getting poor results, an owner and a sporting director will ordinarily step in and have a conversation. Yeah, with that type of thing. But when you're talking about tactics, what happens to owners now? They're friends with agents. All their friends. They go for meals with ex-managers and they all become experts themselves. And they're there ringing you. These guys have never kicked the ball in their lives. And you're trying to explain why you're playing a certain player or full-back. That can be tiring. I've heard loads of stories about different managers going into clubs and the owner saying, I've got a list of players you go no no that's not the players no that should never happen but that doesn't 100 % it happens it does happen an owner can get approached for a player and say look just because they've got good leads that should just go into the recruitment department and say look deal with them that's what should happen on that particular that should never be something yeah but what if the owner and the manager do get along he can then say listen I've heard this and that what do you think an owner can surely say that to him if they've got a good relationship some of the owners if you look at some of the owners like at Brentford or Brighton or clubs like that Palace they have brilliant eyes for spotting at the moment but some of these clubs have done that for the last 30 years you know what I mean they didn't have brilliant eyes then they had timing of clubs people come in and there's good chemistry with staff and everything's on the go and when you're winning football matches obviously you can do what you want get that bit of power and Oden had orderly set a criteria of what a signing looks like as well you know if it's a 35 year old 34 year old I mean Liverpool tried it with obviously Van Dijk and Sela if it's you have principles you don't invest too much in players in their 30s because you're not going to get any money back from them.

1:09:24You don't want to pay loads of money for a striker in their 30s. Of course, that's just common sense. But we talk about criteria, but if there's a criteria with recruiting managers, yeah, or senior, caracare, players, why do, if there's a criteria and everyone's on this, why do so many get it wrong then? Yeah. In a sense, sport, you're saying, when you compare it to other businesses, a kitchen, fishing, but there's no logic to that. Football's a game, an emotional game, there's injuries, The chef's not going to come in and go, you know, it's a different vibe to it going on now. I know you have to answer the people.

1:09:53It's because you know how a doll works and everything, but not all clubs run like that. You could buy a player, especially for the big clubs. We've seen United, Liverpool, Arsenal do it, all the big clubs. You buy a player and on the outside, look at it and you go, yeah, I like to look at that. And he comes in and it doesn't happen. It could be the vibe of the club. We talk about United the last couple of years. And I go back to it. I'd love to know what the training ground is like. What are the trainers like training? Do they compete every single day? it's not about a back three or a back four it's about the vibe in the training ground is the manager not pals or other players but is he on side with them all are they all fighting for the cause if all that's a miss the reason I look at it a little bit objectively is because I remember I mean I was at Valencia a very short period but I had a very experienced sporting director who went to actually Villa after Valencia and I remember him coming to me I was playing 4-3-3 one in midfield two in front and basically two wide and one up I don't know why I was to be fair but he basically...

1:10:48I don't even like the system that much. Sounds like Newcastle. No, the guy came to me and he said, look, Gary, we look a little bit open, why don't you sit two in front of that sort of back four? And I remember at the time feeling a little bit sort of like, hang on a minute, is he telling me how to fucking play? Yeah. And he was, but I look back and think, do you know something? Did you listen? No, no, I didn't listen because I said, look, I can't do that because I've told the players now. I've put this system into the players in the last month, six weeks. If I now change it, I'm going to look stupid.

1:11:15So I then pushed back, but he said, look, just adapt. And I didn't do. And to be fair, he was right. And I eventually went to two. I eventually went to the 4-4-2 that, to be fair, Valencia have historically played, and they wanted me to play, and I should have gone to it earlier anyway. But I didn't listen to it. I thought, you know something? He saw it from a bit of a helicopter view. He wasn't trying to stitch me up. He was trying to help me, actually. Yeah, but you felt he was coming from a good place now. Well, no, but at the time, I said no. I said no, you know what I mean? I know you said no to him, but he was trying to help you.

1:11:42Sometimes you pick up fives off somebody, even to come to you. There's a genuine feeling from that. He wasn't going, hey Gary. And I'd love to know, what were your staff saying to you? What were your staff not saying? Never, we're a bit open here. Did you get on with him? The pack. Oh yeah, no. So why didn't you listen to him? No, but I did listen to him but I thought I'd put myself in a corner so much with the players about putting a certain system in place. And that's fine also. You know what I mean? You can't just... As a manager, wouldn't you be able to say, listen, we've been trying this, I'm going to try this.

1:12:08Because if it's in the Valencia DNA,

1:12:14You look a bit weak in front of the players. It's a bit of ego. I know, but I see where Amram's coming from. He's put this system into the players. He said to all of us, by the way, he's going to die in a ditch on this system, and all of a sudden he's having to tweak a little bit, and he's thinking, everyone's going to be looking at me thinking that. It's a shame. It's a shame he doesn't fix in like that. But if you're having these conversations, just at United where you're working there, or somebody experts go, oh, I'm going to ring Ferguson, I'm going to ring all these boys for advice, there comes a point where you just said, right or wrong, you've made your own decision on it, so stick with it.

1:12:40you lost your job in the back of it I got a reflection Roy of course hindsight's a wonderful thing in football why are you playing that you shouldn't have signed him of course the famous last words I should have done this but you've done it so you're stuck to your guns because if you change the system and you aren't getting results you know do you think if you change that and you aren't getting results what do you do then go back to your other way so sometimes you have to stick to your guns because if you all start changing your mind every single week players then will look through and manage and go he's a weak link anyway the people who should have been telling you that with your staff when you sit with your staff every single morning of the week and you're going lads we're losing every week anyone got an idea here yeah maybe she'll fucking tighten up and get two of them no you do and why are the club employing your staff Amorim came in with loads of staff there was question marks over the last few months about are the staff up to it well you employed them you went and got that manager and he brought I'm guessing five six seven staff over with them to be fair you've mentioned staff there to be fair I should have mentioned it before actually when I was with England with Roy I spent quite a lot of time Gareth was there with Steve Holland I do think it's I do think it's made Michael's appointment and his backroom staff a lot more serious.

1:13:44I'm not saying it's going to bring success. I'm not saying it's going to bring success because I think we need to caveat that. But Steve Holland is a serious coach, a serious operator. Just doesn't look like one of his mates coming in. I think it's made his staff better for four months. And what about the other two coaches he's brought in? I'm glad he's brought Steve Holland in because the other two... I'm not about the other two. The other two... Johnny Evans. Yeah, the other two look like they're people who he's relying upon. I'm glad he's brought Steve Holland in. Right. I don't know. I've never seen the other two coach, Roy.

1:14:09I've never seen the other two coach. Well, you're not given. I'm just asking a question. But I know Steve Holland. I'm asking a question. I know Steve Holland. I don't know the... He's on a beat two weeks ago with Johnny Evans. Johnny Evans leaves Man United four or five weeks ago as a loans manager. And then Fletch gives him a job. Strange enough, he gives him a job. Has two games. Fletch goes. And Carrick gives him a job. Great, isn't it? We should all go to Barbados for a week. So what are you saying? You're vectoring us. so if you're on about getting your coach and staff in we're praising one of the staffs in his experience and then we just let the other two go John and Toomew would get and Johnny Evans what has Johnny Evans done to be a coach at Man United first team he left his job four weeks ago at Loans Manager and ironically comes back working with the first team that's a big step up isn't it it's a massive step up thanks Ian

1:15:01you just need one staff you see Pep and Ollie sometimes you need a team around you but that's the reason when Michael gets announced I think Raul Kay he's going to come under a lot of pressure he's going to need to make sure his information on the training pitch is like shit hot and if he'd have just brought in Jonathan Woodgate and Johnny Evans I would have said that would have made his job a lot harder I think Well we go back to what we said earlier so Steve Holland so you think what United need at this moment of time No no no I'm asking you a question just relax Is it just about coaching then?

1:15:26No my point is and I think if Steve Holland is on the training pitch at least you know that they're going to get top class training sessions Alright okay I'm not saying they weren't before because they probably were before as well but my point is I don't know what Jonathan Woodgate or John Evans are like as coaches I don't know what Michael Carrick's like So all these sessions we're thinking we'll fix everything at Man United No but my point is he's got a lot of experience he's got a lot of experience are you against the point with Steve Holland I'm not saying it's going to bring success No but on one hand you're sitting there going I'm so happy they brought Steve Holland and he brought another two staff in but you're dismissing them two as if I'm not really bothered about them I'm not dismissing them He's just not experienced with Steve Holland He does his experience with Steve Holland I wish you were sitting here I wish you were sitting here and you said he's brought three staff in and said they're all brilliant.

1:16:07So I think Steve Holland's the man now. No, I didn't say that. He's an experienced man. I think Steve Holland's got a lot of experience. He's a good coach. Steve McLaren was experienced. Mickey Feeney was experienced. These are all experienced guys over the last few years. The manager was experienced. I think, to be fair, when David Moyes came in, I think one of the things he probably should have done was kept probably a bit of experience around him. And who did he bring with him? He brought my brother. Exactly. He brought John Murtagh. Exactly. Did they all warrant a place at Man United? Oh, but I can see why he brought an ex-player I can see why you would bring an ex-player who knows the club.

1:16:36Mourinho did that at Chelsea. I mean, that's not an unusual thing. Steve Clarke... And it's not going to work. It doesn't work always. This idea of bringing someone in from the club. No, I'm not saying about... It's not unusual for a player. Carl Orn... Fletch. The last few weeks, before Burnley and Brighton home, Fletch, sick to their hair, Fletch knows the club, he works at the academy, he knows they've got in the canteen, he rings Ferguson... Does he? ...to ask him up socks he's going to wear in the morning. How did the two games go? They didn't go very well. Exactly. Right. But I'm happy he's brought Steve Holland in.

1:17:04I'll go back to the original point What about the other two? I don't know the other two It's because you Steve Holland I don't know the two as coaches I can't speak to the two as coaches I've never seen them in my life Gary I hear what you're saying No no no no I do hear what you're saying You're saying you don't know anything about Johnny Evans coaching No I don't Because he's never coached That's my point But he's gone into my You know you're going Oh that's okay Because we've got Stevie Holland And a new guru He's so excited about these people your experience you know when you're walking with England you're walking with England he did a very good job yeah I guess what what was he walking with at England best player the best quality player yeah but it's not easy to work with England I didn't say I was going yeah it's not the under 21s did a good job when he worked with the first team oh and the honour 7s right here we go anyway what's it anyway super 6 super 6 let's really go on to a sore point

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1:18:24Roy didn't get a call about the job, so he's a bit upset. To be fair, a lot of people asked for that. I was only trying to give Liam Rossini some love. You were trending. This all came off the back of Liam Rossini getting some love, man. I was just thinking, you know, good. Right with that, Ben? Yeah, cool, super six. No, I don't. I'm not fighting his corner, but for someone to get that job, no doubt. Guys, for someone to get that job, it's an amazing opportunity. Come on, man. That's all I'm saying. You've been alive.

1:18:53We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We didn't agree with the guy. We'll see. We'll see with Liam. We'll be our best with Johnny Evans, yeah. Oh, God. Welcome back. Welcome back, everyone. It's two for six. Gary and Jamie, you got 17 points. 17? In one hit? No, it's a New Year. Wow, in one hit. Top 1 % you two. I would like to make it over for us. Top 1 %? Over 870 ,000 players. Top 1 %? So what was the weekend? What was the game? which is like four-week games were Man City-West Ham. Right. You called it 3-0. It was 3-0. We. Which one? We. No, but lucky they got ten points or five. Go on, what did we get?

1:19:35All right, OK. You've got Tottenham-Liverpool. You got that correct as well. 2-1. 2-1. That was me. I said that. Yeah, Leeds-Hardwock. Yeah, Leeds-Hardwock. Yeah, Leeds-Hardwock. Very good, very good. Anyway, you're on 75 points. Top 1 %? Top 1%. That's amazing. You should get a bevy out of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's actually really good. Roy Gillan, you got four points. No, we've always got four points. We always get four points. Oh, no. You took the league on that. You need to do that, Roy. Johnny Wood get next to you. And you're Steve Holland. No, he's Steve Holland. He's Steve Holland.

1:20:11Matt Hollins. Which I think would get. Fucking Matt Hollins.

1:20:18Come on, leave it up. anywhere, where's your energy? Right, Liverpool Burnley. That is 3pm.

1:20:2617 ahead about two weeks ago. This is a new year. No, but he just comes on with the numbers and we're believing him. Roy, Roy, Roy, nobody wins in January. He just comes on with the numbers and we believe him. That's your integrity question, Ben. He's right. We don't know if you're checking him properly. I do check. The results are... I'll go 2-0 Liverpool. 2-0 Liverpool, love that. You don't think there's a score more than that? I don't care. 2-0 or 3. I don't care. What do you think, three? I think more. Three? Three, we're going to change. No, you can't. No, you can't change it once you're done.

1:20:56As there we are. So we're go friends. I'll be happy with you. We're go three. Love that. Chelsea Brentford. Oliver Senior, seven-nil. Come on, Lee. Seven-nil. I can't believe he's five and a half years. That is crazy. He's not there for five. Three-nil. How many managers in the last, like... Three-one, three-one, three-one, three-one, three-one. 18 years has lasted over a year. No, it's just all up. Mine over there might have hit a bit, but her striker's on fire, man. But then, so see you leave after a year. Very close. Very close, that. I've got 3-2 Chelsea. 2-1. 2-1 Chelsea. We've got 2-1 Chelsea.

1:21:38You can dig this. It's still kind of 3-2, really. Could be a draw, could it? No way. No chance. I think she'll win. I'm going to do a team talk. What did you say? It won't be 1-0. It won't be 1-0. Yeah, I am good. I was a Salford winner the other game. Are you getting out of there? Are you hands-on with them? I'm going to be doing a little bit, yeah. When are we announcing? I've got a five-and-a-half-year deal. 3-2 Chelsea. Oh, my God. Look at you. 3-2 North Chelsea. Did you just nick that off of me? If that comes out... Sunderland Palace. Has he been watching this? No. It's like Palace just lost a match.

1:22:19It's us, isn't it? It's us. Oh, yeah. Who is it? Sunderland and Palace? Oh, that's a difficult one, that. Yeah, 1-1. There's no point in hesitating. Go early. That is sitting on the fence. We'll go down 1-0 and we'll win 2-1 at all. Let's you take the Sunderland. 2-1, Sunderland. That's just a motion, though. It is. No, we're doing so well. It's just a motion. At home. It's just a motion. At home, Sunderland. We're held down. There we go. It's a big one. Arsenal packed the bus, guaranteed. Why is the Manchester derby not on there? Why did Arsenal pack the bus against Liverpool? Why is the Manchester derby not on there?

1:22:49Do we know? No. That's weird. It's a Sky game. We're going to have a bonus game. Manchester derby. Anyone know why Arsenal packed the bus against Liverpool? What were those chances that we made in... Arsenal never took a chance against Liverpool in two... Frightened to death. What are you frightened to do? Why did you do that? They did a poor that night, Arsenal, but they did well to get a point out of it. Of course you got a point. That's what you do. Why are they kicking in just players as well? Yeah, yeah. Don't, Roy. Don't go down that martinelli. You know what you're doing. Look at his stupid smiley crazy...

1:23:15You need him in the back. Moody Christmas, father Christmas face. He said sorry, though, to be fair to him. Yeah, because he didn't even see it. He didn't even see it. Oh, you're not saying that. No, no, no. When it happened... I don't think he knew it was that. I'm going to drag you in. You're sucking you in. No, no, no. You're better than that. No, because he's not that guy, Martinelli, and that's why Arnest Slott was so brilliant. Who is that guy? Which one? You don't want people to say he's not that guy, but who is that guy? No, no, who is that guy? He is. He is. He is. This one. Remember Arsenal, the game's running down, Conor Brady's kicked it out.

1:23:46And as he's kicked it out, Martin Lee's just waiting to go and get it. So he didn't even see him twist, and that's what it was. And that's why, when he came back and saw him on the floor, he thinks he's wasting time. It was just that simple. Right, so if you think someone's there, you hit him at the bottom and knee him back. No, but he didn't think he was that injured. He didn't think he was that injured. He should shoo him. If that was me, I'd shoo him. And the score for Forrest at Arsenal. If you know someone's that injured, you don't shout at him, do you? Yeah, exactly. Two-nil Arsenal. two new Arsenal two new we're not we're not going to let a goal in we're ready to go and finish this we're ready to finish if you win your next three games we're ready to finish this 1-0 Arsenal 1-0 Arsenal love that 1-0 set-piece set-piece again set-piece again set-piece again a real league go on Arsenal you had to get which one yeah Arsenal which one was you there yeah but you was all the way up there you know what I mean yeah I think Newcastle 3-1.

1:24:42I think Newcastle are playing better than their results. We need to do something different. Wolves, Newcastle. Because we're just matching. Sunday, two. You need to select the right score, Jill. Wolves are coming back. 2-1, Newcastle. Do you think? They're parties over Wolves. Do you think it's done? Villa, Everton. Sunday, 4.30. Villa, Everton. Come on. It's you. That was a quick party. It was like one game. Is it us or them? Is it us? It's huge. Villa. And Villa. Everton bumping. Who's going to get the top four? Everton will be that bad, but David Moyes and I can pull a result down. Can't carry.

1:25:16But Villa are flying. No, Villa. Who do you think will get top four? Villa. Villa. Yeah, I know, but what's the goal? Top five, one of the Champions League. I think Liverpool and Chelsea will get it. I think United could get it now, you know. Two goals, Oli Watkins. 2-0. I'll take that one. 2-0. I've been polite all along. We'll go 2-1, shall we? Shall we go 2-1, Villa? Chelsea. Score. No. I love it. I think it. What do you think? I love it. They've gone 2-0. We probably would have gone 2-0. I think it's more than 1-0. 3-0 then. 3-0. Are we going to do the Manchester derby or not? Bring on the round.

1:25:57The bonus round. The bonus round. The Manchester derby. What are we doing? 12.30 kick-off Saturday. Doesn't work. Doesn't work. Caro, are you there? Just hold it. Roy, are you there Saturday? No. Yes. I'm there Saturday. Who's at home? United at home. It's a really good segment, this, and it's just gone to shit. That's so good. Nice one, Kieran. Good hand, Kieran. This is a hard one to call, though. I think it'd be 1-1. Who is it? Home or away? Man United at home. United at home. I think it'd be 1-1. We go 1-1? Yeah, 1-1. You're the boss. Is this the derby? Yeah, Manchester derby, 1-1. No way!

1:26:311-1. OK. Choose a different score than Ian. We're going with... Derby. City. it's United I remember the coaching staff I

1:26:45I'm up against a Pep who doesn't know too much about the game he wasn't in Barbados come on City City winning that I see City winning you know Semenya's got him two goals in that in himself City honestly City 2 or 3-1 yeah go 3-1 3-1 City right 3-1 City yeah and we're being generous giving them one can I give you one score you would never have predicted. One score. Oh, Macclesfield. A few fans didn't know. Versus... Oh, hang on. Hold it, Gareth. Let's get off set, though. OK, we'll just introduce them in. Thank you, Super 6. Thank you, Super 6.

1:27:23One score we would never have predicted would have been Macclesfield against Crystal Palace. Here he is. Yes. Hey, man. How are you? Good to see you, Mac. Looking well. Good to see you. How are you, lad? You all right? Well done. Well done. You OK? The magic of the cup. Jeez. How good was that? Yeah, it was some day. Even just a week leading up to it as well. But now to go and win it as well was something else. I didn't see it coming, I was totally honest. As you know, though, the FA cook and throw some mad results out. And if it was this round, it was us. It was so good. How long into the... Obviously, you get the goals and that, but once the game starts I would imagine you're thinking can we get through the first 10-15 minutes where I'll concede how long was the game going were you thinking we're okay you can almost not relax but you're thinking okay maybe not what we thought you know what I ate looking at the clock and I heard Franny say behind me 25 I was scoring at 10 I just looked at him and said why have you just said that but I think we scored at a good time as well I think we scored after I think it was 40 second minute and you're just thinking let's get to half time and then once we got in the half-time all the lads were in the changing room buzzing, you know, the lad who scored the goal and just settled them back down and then the half-time and thought just more of the second half and listened to the lad David going to come out and have a right goal the first 10-15 minutes of the second half, of course.

1:28:49But it was just more relaxing and I thought if we can get through that little stage when they come out and I thought they were most pleasing was the first 20 minutes of the second half and me the way they dealt with it. You see the first half because you know when you go into those games, right? The game is, you know, you're playing against Macclesfield you've got the quality and was you saying listen let's see if they fancy did they look like they fancied it when they started did you feel like you know what they don't fancy it because the first thing you do when you're playing against a team at that level is you match their endeavour you match that did they do that?

1:29:21Do you know what it's a state from kick-off where you've got them turned and I think you just watch the game and the captain goes up for it and they both cut their heads open and it was like I think that's set the tempo for the game and really give them a shock but it was actually when they'd done the turn toss Mark Geis said I don't know if I fancy this pitch and for us that probably gives Is that what you said? Gabe said that? Yeah You said that out loud I was going to ask about the plastic pitch because it is obviously a big factor isn't it? Yeah of course it's an advantage to us to our own pitch we train on it so that's little stuff you give them as well in the changing room and plays a factor for us they're probably not used to it but listen for the team if there's any advantage you can take against the Premier League.

1:30:03So I had to grab it with both hands. That's a massive insight into the team. Yeah. Captain's saying that, and he's saying that in the toss-up. That means they're obviously talking about it all the... Oh, gosh. I'm surprised he said that. Absolutely. He looks like a lad to be there who would take on anything that's sort of come his way, wouldn't he? Wow. It's funny that I'm not just... I'm not trying to pick on because he said that. Every time I watch him, he looks like a really consistent play. He always plays the same. That's the worst I've ever seen him play. You know, second half, he was getting in.

1:30:32Did you watch the game? I've never seen him play that poorly, to be honest. No, never. Never, but like he said, he put it out there. You know, that's how he felt and that's how he played. And you guys took advantage. It's brilliant. What kind of plastic pitch is it? Is it one of those ones that skids or is it one of those ones that sort of sticks a little bit? Do you know what? Depends on the weather. So...

1:30:55Actually, I think on Tuesday, so it was full of snow. then all the lads we got there early me for an hour to have a look at the pitch and the captain's on the pitch trying to clear the snow because we wanted the game on and we've got that much of a backlog in games so we got it on but as we were getting it off it took a load of the black bits off and all the little rubber bits but on our pitch because we've had to put a load on there's like little bumps of it everywhere so sometimes if it's dry the ball will skip up but if you get the right weather it just zip about a bit and it was zippy the weekend to be fair so I thought that would have suited them as well for the way they wanted to play Do you train on that surface as well?

1:31:30Yeah, we train on it. Yeah, yeah. We train on home pitch, yeah. Because sometimes people think injuries is like, obviously being on a surface like that, but it's the changing in surfaces that they see, you know, if you're going grass to 4G, so yeah. What did you do in the build? So when you were assessing Palace in the build-up to the game in that few days before, what did you do leading up to it differently that you ordinarily would do, sort of playing in any way different or different messages to the players? Yeah, do you know what? We didn't do a lot on it. obviously we watched them back and stuff like that and we seen that the set pieces they can see the lot of set pieces but because we had the game Tuesday we only trained twice a week so we didn't really get much time on the grass with them and then on the Thursday because it was a tough game the lads who started was more of a low key session so it was just more messages in the changing room before the game just out of possession because we you know listen we didn't want to sink and sit on the edge of our box was the causes problem so it's like we're going to the 4-5-1 mid block when we can get a press on like a little triggers, there's a slow pass, there's a bobbly pass, and that little trigger, just to go and press, and to be fair, I thought the lads were not outstanding.

1:32:33Yeah. I've seen you after, you did the Liverpool game, didn't you? Yeah. And you were on there, and I might have asked you a question, you'd said something in the trailer before the game, that you hadn't seen any of the lads since the game. So the game was Saturday, what day was that then? No, that was the Sunday, but we were playing yesterday, we had a game last night. Okay. So we hadn't seen them until then. What state with Ian? Obviously, the game got called off. So we'd just met the bus and we got a phone call to say there was a pitch inspector, so we said to the bus to stay where we are for now and give it ten minutes.

1:33:07So this is last night? Yeah. Where was that at? We had woken away. So you got all down there? No, no. So we met the bus like Stoke. And as we got there, it was like two o 'clock, so we said just later till we get the decision because we went to Kingsland a few weeks ago, got there, went out, warmed up for five minutes, and ref called it. and we were like so we didn't want that happening again so I hadn't seen them until yesterday they enjoyed themselves? it looks that way they're not it's great for the club isn't it the publicity for people in the background people who walk out isn't it it's great great publicity for the club you've enjoyed that yeah yeah 100 % you know what Rob Smetis has done since he took over the club and it was something we spoke about earlier on this season is obviously we've climbed the league table so we've done well in the leagues but this year it's probably the most competitive league we've been in there's a lot of full-time clubs in it and we spoke about having a good FA Cup run.

1:33:57Did they think we'll do what we're doing? You actually spoke about that before Palace. Before you knew you was getting Palace and everything, you was always focusing on that. Is that the only main way of making money now, the FA Cup? Proper, like, massive injection of money? I think if you go on a run, yeah, for teams at our level, it's, you know, financially, it's huge for our club. And, you know, it's like the TV games. We don't really play on TV that much at this level. And the last two games have been on TV and I'm sure we'll be on it next round now as well. So that's massive for the club as well.

1:34:27And, you know, since Rob Stokovic, he's done an unbelievable job. But this year, obviously, we want to do well in the league, of course. I think we're three points off playoffs with four games land on some teams. So we're not in a bad place in the league table neither. But it was more, can we try and make playoffs and have a good FA Cup? When's the last time we've seen a massive one? This is a massive one, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. This is the biggest system, do you reckon? Is it the biggest? There's the biggest differences between the issues. When Coventry won a year ago, was it Sutton? Sutton. I remember that but I mean theirs is the biggest is it the biggest jump it's the biggest gap yeah I think it's like 117 wow that is incredible you talk about the money because the FA Cup now it is big money particularly if you're on television but even the sort of the win bonus we're obviously in the third round we've got to play Swindon next Tuesday to play City it's massively meaningful even for League 2 clubs so it's going to probably pay for most of the season I would imagine for Macclesfield it's going to cover a massive amount of money, that, isn't it?

1:35:23Yeah, I think these two games probably could be a budget for a season, I think. So it's huge for the club. And even the games before, but as you say, the win bonus now, but I think round four I was in yesterday there isn't a win bonus for round four, I believe. I'm not too sure, but for the last round he wasn't. So that adds on to all the other bonuses that comes with it, and then everything else that comes along with it as well. Can you tell us the story? You just mentioned the owner before, and I was reading about it before the game. Is that true? He bought her on Right Move. I was listening to him.

1:35:58That's a story he's told us anyway. He's told the press. He didn't tell his wife, did he? He was on Talksport talking about her. He said that he didn't tell his wife. He's a good fella, though. He's good. If you have some bad results, does the owner come up to you and ask you what you're doing with his style of play? Just ask him for a friend. No, he's been... He's given me my chance to go into management. In the summer, I was going back two days before as a player, until obviously Sab left. So I rang him to see if I could now have a go. Something was spoke about in the past, and I'd done a few bits on the training pitch last year.

1:36:32He was saying his big concern was he didn't want to lose me as a player. Then on the Sunday, he rang and said, yeah, we want you to take it. I don't think it's fair for you. He was asking me to carry on playing, but I didn't think it was fair on the lads. If I played as well, I thought it was hard to pick yourself in a team. and if I'm picking myself before someone else and then I think he just loses the changing room. I didn't want to do that to these lads because I play with the masses, share the changing room, they're a great bunch of lads. As you can see, a good changing room can take you a long way.

1:37:00What about, Wayne was quite emotional, wasn't he? He did, yeah. Do you know what, I didn't hear the full interview just till yesterday because I've been just ecteric. Yeah, but he sounded it, yeah. I've never heard him emotional in my life, to be fair. He's the least emotional person I probably know. Yeah, he was, I did a little bit on his podcast the other day and then it was after that when I listened to it and it sounded like his voice was going a little bit. That was a brilliant moment. I was watching it live on TV and to see what he's done in the game, obviously, but so proud of you as well.

1:37:29There's all different levels, but you still get that same enjoyment, don't you? You know, what you've done yourself. Yeah, do you know what? When the game was going on, because I spoke to him before the game, he was saying where he was sat and that, but when the final whistle went, I didn't realise how close to me he was. He was only just there. I didn't know till I see the videos back. Just with everything that went on, after the final whistle. But no, it was good to have him there, and especially doing the BBC as well, and to speak to him before and after the game. It was something that family would be proud of as well.

1:37:58What's his best bit of advice he's given you? Because he's got loads of experience now, hasn't he, in management and coaching. What does he speak to you about in terms of the advice side? Do you know what I haven't really spoke loads on? On the management side, apart from obviously having someone with you who's got your back, it can be a lonely place at times. Like a Johnny Evans, like a Jonathan Woodgate.

1:38:24Don't get dragged in. So Fran is your man? Fran is Jeffers? Yes. Which is your assistant, right? Fran, yes. So when I got her, I spoke to Fran right away. I've always been in contact with him. I wanted to get someone in me when just wanted to agree with me and just go along with me just because I'm the manager I wanted someone who was going to challenge me and if I weren't doing stuff right they'd be able to tell me and he's been around a little bit as you'll now be with me and your James at Oldham so he's coaching me as well so I knew what he was about as well on that side of things but he's been a massive help for me James mentioned to me when we were watching the game a bit of car sharing on the way to Oldham yeah so I shared me and my little sniffer no we had to go car school but unfortunately he got injured he was with us but no he's flying now isn't he doing really well when you said before about getting a game cancelled when you're already there it takes me back to when we would cancel games on teams that were coming four hours and the cost of it for a club like Macclesfield is like a couple of grand or something for the coach for just the food it's like a massive thing if a fan's travelling as well at that level it's like massive getting games called off late isn't it yeah it's massive when we went to Kingsland it got called off when we actually there it changed we went out on the pitch if I'd see it it was never going to be on but the fans were there and you know so that's where to be fair Rob's good like that and he made sure the fans were all re-embersed with the tickets and the coach money and stuff like that and it's a community club and he makes sure everything gets looked like that we did that at Salford when we brought we shouldn't have brought we brought a team from London I can't remember who it was now we brought them and we never Crawley it was never going to be on but the referee sort of cancelled it late and it was like we covered Crawley's fans coming back on the coach and stuff because you do feel like a real no no it's not like a masking for like you know sounds like it no no but I'm saying as an owner of a non-league club when you're there you feel like that is like so bad that you've let the fans down by calling it off so late it does remind me when you said before about taking us back to that it's when the referee really tries to get it on like we had it all the time and the bounce of ball and it just wouldn't move and then they go to another bit bounce of ball and you're like this is never going to go on what I love about Macclesfield doing that is just reinforcing how great our pyramid can be yeah and that's yeah absolutely FA Cup and how you know what I mean now we can't lose sight of that because like I said we don't even see those kind of results so I was like and it's Palace you know what I mean Palace mean a lot FA Cup holders mean a lot to me Palace but I genuinely was pleased for Macclesfield but when you were watching the game that's why I said to you before when did you feel okay at no stage of that game did I think you weren't going to wait once you got you know you think second half they're going to really sort of kick on here Palace it just never felt that sort of in the second half no I didn't feel feel it all game apart from when he scored the free kick I thought not now but the lads defended unbelievable after that because you know what it's like they can go under if they concede that late and obviously against the top side as well but I thought they defended after that I thought it was outstanding the way they defended their own box as well You know when Mark Gay when he said about like they don't fancy pitch did the captain go straight back and tell the boys No he told them here half time so I didn't know he'd said that but he obviously told the lads Can you imagine him saying that and then when them going down, how do you get yourself back up if you don't fancy playing on the pitch as it is and you're 1-0 down at Macclesfield?

1:41:45I just think that's kind of like an insight. I've never heard that before. We played at Barnsley about 20-odd years ago and we got knocked out. And Barnsley, I think, were in... I can't remember where they were at the time. We got knocked out. And the dressing room was boiling and it was dead small. And all of us went outside the dressing room before the game because we basically... And they said that the Barnsley players, we knew they didn't fancy it because they wouldn't stay in the dressing room. and they were all sort of coming outside because they weren't comfortable in the dressing room.

1:42:11Things like that. Did they put the heaters on on purpose? No, it was boiling in this little dressing room that was about as big as this table and we were all crammed in and we all went outside into the tunnel type thing just to sort of get in. And afterward, the game, Barnsley players said, oh, that told us they didn't fancy it, they didn't want to be in the dressing room. They needed anything to... I think I did get sent off. They just needed anything to give them that buzzer. It's them little mental winds always, isn't it? It's like Michael Jordan. Remember Michael Jordan? That's what Michael Jordan said with...

1:42:34Have you seen that last dance? Oh, yeah. when he says he just needs to find something to dig out so that he can have something to aim for. He can want to travel. I loved it. I remember Barns used to do that to Palace. We used to wet the floor. Yeah. All the floor was wet. It didn't bother me. I came from it. John, what did you think about waiting for the draw, who you get? It's still a massive draw, isn't it? You get another Premier League club, but was you almost hoping it'd be away from home to get maybe a big stadium? Yeah, listen, if you get away from home again, on the financial side, that's even better for the club.

1:43:04You know, half the gate. and for me personally I would have wanted Everton or I would have wanted Everton then when they went out I was thinking Man United then they went out and it was like it was like Salford Liverpool or Arsenal imagine Salford away they were starting the draw later and I was thinking please don't get Salford away Have you have you looked at Brentford yet in terms of what you think of them compared to Palace and how it would play out have you had a little sneak preview so we've had a little look through the team and obviously we know all the players but I haven't looked right into it yet now I think we've got a lot of games before that so I'm big on taking it game by game and we've got to come and take back onto the league now on Saturday Well it's been brilliant to have you and what a good 20 minutes end to the show that's been it's been an inventful show You missed the first bit Well done Thanks for having me Brilliant Well done Well done mate Thank you

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