Carrick Under Pressure, JJ Gabriel Wants Out & Why Does VAR Keep Failing?

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1:37Gary Neville: is that Roy's tea or is that Kara's tea? that's Kara's tea I've snicked it I made sure you're okay I made sure you're okay yeah you're okay he said we're okay yeah yeah yeah yeah it's quite quiet it is quiet remember before people used to come on where is everybody caring we used to have people come and watch this show nah nah keeping the numbers down for a bit some butter please Karen absolutely and a knife brilliant you got yeah yeah yeah sorry yeah yeah did you get that in Mustique yes I think yeah is it a turtle is that a turtle I'm sure is that the logo for Mustique a turtle must be have you been there no nice spot quiet is it in Where is it?

2:24Near the West Indies? Yeah, I think I flew to... I think we flew to Barbados. Then you get one of them little seaplanes. Oh, I got a seaplane this summer. Have you met that lad before? That lad who's taking pictures? Yeah, he's took some pictures off him before, yeah. Yeah, you know, right, right.

2:39He used to give someone a bit when you know them.

2:43Gary Neville: Doesn't stop you when you don't, though, does it? Come on, bring him in. Come on. Come on, you. Come here, Andy Burnham's love sack. You're on the show. Oh, my God. You're on the show. You've made it on stick to football. Get in.

2:57Roy Keane: Poor guy. I thought it was a compliment.

2:59Gary Neville: It was a compliment. Come around here.

3:01Roy Keane: Next deal. Come around here.

3:03Gary Neville: Tell everybody what you've just called him. Well, in a photo shoot, and you know this better than that. We know each other before. We've done a few photos. Oh, dear. Different things. Right, so. And he's always trying to get people to make people laugh at you for the picture. I thought I'd do it instead of you. So I called him Andy Bainham's love child. I think it's the jacket. I think it's the jacket. No, you're not good. How long have you been a photographer for? 15 years. On my own, 15 years. I worked for someone else for three years. Is it hard work, as in getting gigs and stuff? It was, but now because we've shot a certain amount of people, it gets easier because everyone trusts you a little bit more.

3:38Gary Neville: It's good fun. I can imagine being quite a good gig, that being a photographer. It's awesome. He had a go, didn't he? He used to take a photograph in the Manchester United dressing room. Yeah, he took photographs. I thought you were something. Take photographs of the lads. What, portraits of them after it came?

3:54Roy Keane: Naked.

3:56Gary Neville: Why do these minds go to sort of like ridiculous places? I thought, do you know something? Because it was before we had really a photographer and I thought, do you know something? You need to capture... Because you knew you were weird things. More like a bit of history. So lads weren't really up for it, but I should have stuck at it and took pictures all the way through.

4:10Ian Wright: I mean, you did all right, didn't you, in life? Yeah. Yeah, but, girl, have you got the pictures? I've got a few, yeah.

4:16Roy Keane: Have you got any of the better ones after a game?

4:19Ian Wright: Have you got enough to put in a kind of a book or something? Did you take that many?

4:22Gary Neville: No, I don't think I took that many because I think the lads pushed back on me a little bit. See, they bullied you. Larry, I feel like you've had every job. Yeah. But would you have been no Jews then? In the dressing room? No, I wouldn't get permission off United. I wouldn't have used them without the lads. But would you have got permission off? No, I didn't get permission off United. That's what I'm saying, too. You wouldn't be able to use them? Maybe not, no.

4:39Roy Keane: What was the camera back then, though? Just like a...

4:42Gary Neville: Just like a little camera. I thought, Joe, just pictures of the lads like laughing with each other and stuff. Aw. That would be nice. No, that is... Phil, Phil.

4:53Roy Keane: No, that's nice. Get them lollipops. Fucking hell. He's done now. You're micing him up. He's done. OK, he's done now. He's done. You're staying up. Get him a chair. Say bye. Yeah. Well done, mate. Thank you very much. Is anyone else? Oh, nice to meet you. I'm off.

5:13Ian Wright: Good to see you. Good luck with your show. Well done. Cheers, lads. See you again. Take it easy, mate. God bless you. Good luck, lads. Nice one.

5:28Ian Wright: You like that? It's not bad, is it? It's nice green. You love green, don't you? I do love green. I do love green. They say genius, pick green.

5:36Gary Neville: Me?

5:37Ian Wright: Well, I heard it in the film, Beat the Fockers.

5:39Gary Neville: Jesus or genius? Genius.

5:42Ian Wright: What's genius? Picks green, like, if you're a genius, you're attracted to it. Irish, eh? Are you a genius? Yes, the... you know when they were doing that Howard's Web tent here? Yeah. The goal. The Harlan goal. Yeah. When they were doing that thing yesterday. What was that? Yeah, I watched it. What do you mean? When they were doing all the camera round, they kept saying, genius, genius, genius. What?

6:01Roy Keane: What, in the VAR?

6:02Ian Wright: In the VAR. Have you not watched it all? I have, yeah. I have watched it. Yeah, I heard him saying it, but I don't know, was he just saying, I don't know, was he saying it in a way? Oh, I know what you mean.

6:10Gary Neville: That's good, that's good. When the lines were on and stuff like that. Yeah, he was going, genius, genius. Yeah, the automated system's probably called that, yeah.

6:16Ian Wright: You know, I thought that by the time we started, it would have been gone, died down, but I just think that the amount, the enormity of the mistake, this is not one way you think, oh, people say, oh, not that again. It should be that again. It's a terrible, terrible mistake, and it's the law that they should know. It was like, when you listen to it, and you're listening to them talking about it, they're not even hardly mentioning Fernandes. No, he's not touched it. He's offside. Yeah. Interfering. I got righty from it. God, it's crazy. It was almost the biggest thing was go quicker. Quicker. We need to get the game started.

6:51We need to go. It's like, hurry up, hurry up, hurry up. Have you seen how panicked they are when Ndi? They have to go back to Ndi because they're just... And then as soon as they realise he's not offside, it's like, hurry up, hurry up, hurry up.

7:04Ian Wright: They should be taking the time. You go back to the Arsenal one with Sunderland. You know what I mean? You say, hang on a minute, let's watch it. because, like, how's he fall over that way? Why is Concer falling over that way? You know what I mean? So he's pulled him that way.

7:19Roy Keane: No, that was a penalty.

7:20Ian Wright: What? Don't mess about it. You know, you think to yourself, have a look at it. He's pulled him round. And you can see it. That's what it's for. But the madness is they took ages and still got it wrong.

7:32Gary Neville: Yeah. Unbelievable. Do you know Howard Webb's explanation? They got so focused on Haaland. Yeah. They almost then... I mean, he said we're now a rabbit hole, didn't they? you can do that in life sometimes can't you when you're focusing on something maybe one person do you know your thing Roy when you say you're focusing on the hand up here but it's the hand down here the position come on look at that hand look at that hand yeah but it's true sometimes you're focusing on the thing that's staring at you but all of a sudden you're missing Gary

7:59Ian Wright: the main thing in their job is to focus on bam what they've got there there's no excuse and it's great in the middle of the gold come on man

8:06Roy Keane: I felt sorry for you when they wrote all the rules on the thing I couldn't even it was so long winded the laws but it was so long winded you know what

8:15Ian Wright: when it came up the laws in that deal when it came I was thinking but then it came to the one where it says if you're in a that's the only one that happens you don't even need the rest of them just show that one that in itself them guys them guys who are in VAR they shouldn't be they should be banned for at least 10 games you know when a player is that side of you you must be going well he's obviously definitely off it was a bit tight so imagine the United defenders must be going he is off whatever but everything else is going on he's clearly he's two or three yards this side of me he did make a late run he was stood in there and still to get it wrong and then Gary when you said probably have to get an apology bang on apology came apology is no good to United absolutely it's just you know what it's insulting it's an insult to apology and then they said they'll be stepped down for a few games it's no good to United huge moment no good to Carrick because as bad as United were and as poor as they were, you still take the point, don't you?

9:12You still want to lose a Derby game. But for that goal to be allowed...

9:16Roy Keane: But why was, you know, in the build-up, Martinez, when he was left 2v1, Dogu runs straight. Did you see what he did? I was like, stuff like that. When you speak about Michael Carrick and stuff like that, you can't stop somewhat. That is basic. You don't go from left-back to run across. He made a mistake at left-back. He just wants to rectify it and just run right across. When you do that, what, when you're nine, ten years old? I was like, Martínez should be mad that he's left 2v1. But the madness is when the ball comes in, they actually defended well. They obviously were brave with all that line.

9:48Roy Keane: But I'd be human, I was 2v1 at that back. But you put yourself in their shoes, the defenders, you could see them stood in there. You go, he's in the middle of the goal. Yeah, no, I get that thought. He's definitely offside. Obviously, the players got interviewed after the game and they're clearly frustrated. But going, that's not even, as you said, don't worry about Halle, don't worry about the goal. He's stood in the middle of the goal. Is he interfering with play?

10:06Ian Wright: Absolutely. So what's going to happen with this? Because if I'm Man United, I feel totally hard done. Totally in the fans. Totally hard done by. See, United got the benefit a few years ago, right? When Rashford got the winner. We done that game. It's similar, yeah. Remember, I'm brutal. Does that mean what we're going to do? We're going to just equate it up to... No, no, no, of course not. Two wrongs don't make a right, of course. That could have been... Do you reckon... Are we talking about decisions more now than ever?

10:32Roy Keane: Yeah.

10:32Gary Neville: Easily. Easily. We've just got better angles and more... We've got more... Yeah, but it's still human error now. It's still something to make a decision. I think because we've got the... I mean, what I'm saying, if you watched that Howard Webb thing yesterday, we're seeing graphic detail of exactly what's happening. We would never see that before, would we? So the more we see, the more we're going to analyse it. I mean, it was a bad decision, wasn't it? That's human error then. It's not weird. That was human error. It was human error.

10:53Ian Wright: Like you said, Roy, there's... How many of them in there? Free? I think I can understand one player, one person getting distracted going... I just focus on something, as you said. Yeah, yeah. but somebody else must go hold on lads we have to do it yeah you have that kind of system VAR don't you who's almost like supposed to be almost you're getting involved in it and almost stood back you know because you could hear the panic in his voice couldn't you but imagine being a referee so it's a big game he's the linesman the referee's assistant gives it offside yeah and then there's all this people are getting bogged down by the hat was he offside whatever it might be imagine the pressure on the referee he's getting

11:30Gary Neville: It must be getting less fun. His instinct has to be. It must be getting less fun for them. Yeah. I can imagine why basically now they would be looking at it thinking, look, I mean, look, the reality of it is, it's the top referee in the country managing the game on Sunday. He obviously can't do anything about the offside. That's out of his hands. He's just basically waiting for other people. But the first one, the Phil Foden red card, is his one. I obviously, I was surprised at half the time. So sometimes I looked at it obviously in real time and I wasn't surprised that Foden was sent off for what he did because I always think when Petulance, like I did it against Matt Manning, you're just a little, I alluded to the Bex one where he just flicks on the floor, you do get sent off for Petulance and sometimes Bruno obviously kicks through and you can see that, but at half time when you and Mike said it wasn't a red and that Bruno should have been sent off, it threw me that a little bit because sometimes on commentary when you see the pundits in the studio go again, oh, I didn't see it like that, you know what I mean?

12:23Gary Neville: I didn't see it as, And I think... I don't think the kick was hard. I don't think there was no aggression behind it. Bruno's reaction... You know the thing is... It couldn't have hurt him. No way. It couldn't make a player go down. The boot didn't touch his feet. Touch it. You know what? It's kind of like... It was already there and he moved it a bit.

12:39Ian Wright: It was the side of his foot. You know what it was? It was his move, like his anger move. But I think Bruno, with the ball being over there from Foden, Bruno's kicked him here. And it's not like he's moving. He kicked him like that.

12:53Roy Keane: He had two. If Bruno was sent off, we'd be having the same try here going, oh, was it that bad? Bruno kicked him.

13:00Gary Neville: It was a double yellow, wasn't it?

13:02Roy Keane: Yeah, just give two yellows.

13:04Gary Neville: Have you ever been sent off? I mean, going back to your red card, have you ever been sent off where someone's reacted and gone down like that where you thought it wasn't that? I did.

13:12Ian Wright: Ian Hart, when I was at West Ham. He went down? When I smashed the referee's room up. That was a whole different... Why have they went down easily? Honestly, it was like... What did you do, I say? No, so we went for that tackle. He's just about to clear. and I just was a little bit late and I didn't even catch him. I think he skipped it. But then you kind of... He had to do that quite a bit, truthfully. Honestly, he skipped it, but I know I didn't catch him. So then when I went over to the thing and he was fucking rolling, I said, what the... And I was like that over him. What are you doing? I think me being over him might have been...

13:40Ian Wright: I don't know. But then he came over, I can't remember who the referee... Instant red card. And you know when you do that thing where you watch people get sent off and they're chasing the ref? And you say, get off. I was chasing. I was saying, what the... I couldn't believe it. I felt so hard done by him. I got sent off at Charlton in about 1999. A lad called Pringle, a big centre forward. So all I've done is I've actually got in front of him. So like a ball's coming to the striker's feet and you know you just get your arm across. So I've got my arm across here and he's just gone... The elbow. You've done him.

14:13Gary Neville: No, no, but is it his elbow? You see my reaction when the referee blows to the foul? My reaction is like going mad for the foul. Then he gets a red card. Oh my God. What the fuck? But you're just like, everyone was just like, you know, he just... I mean, I don't think Foden was, like, totally shocked. Yeah. It was a red card like that. But I just... I mean, we said about Gabrielle, didn't we, on this show a couple of weeks ago about that. That's just my... I can't have it. I just don't like... How can you go on the floor? I don't get it. I don't know the embarrassment. I know there's games, but yeah, I think how can you get up roller on and get up and be fine?

14:43Roy Keane: Yeah, I agree. I totally agree.

14:45Ian Wright: You know, the thing is, Jamie, even with that, with all of them now, it's the game.

14:50Roy Keane: Yeah.

14:51Ian Wright: They're using it. It's the game now.

14:53Gary Neville: Did we not do that in our teams when we played? Did we not do that? Did we not? We didn't. No, not that. Look, I'm looking at Roy, because obviously we're in a dress room today. Did you go down, win the penalty? Did we not roll around? Yeah. You'd be embarrassed, wouldn't you?

15:08Roy Keane: I think it's different. I think it's been embarrassed. Go back to your team here.

15:11Ian Wright: The only thing he was told, if you get touched in there, you go over. That's what he was told, but you weren't told to roll over. Do you think it affected Bruno the weekend? I know he had a poor guy he was quiet wasn't he yeah he was poor guy deep down I did like I shouldn't have maybe got too easy you know I get the impression that he's the kind of guy Roy that when he goes around and thinks about it you think fuck I got him sent off

15:32Gary Neville: sounds crazy on Bruno though Roy he plays a pass to Dallow which to be fair I thought could have led to a goal and he plays a pass to Mbremo so he could have had two assists Bruno yeah the two moments United had where you think actually he still but he was quiet for him in terms of just generally that chance he

15:47Ian Wright: made for Mbwemo it was unforgivable for Mbwemo to miss that he's hit it well is he onside no Gal was he definitely onside he was onside the thing is Gal you say he's hit it well but Gal he's hit it well in the goal he's for sin he's got to be low down in here you're scoring that you know what the only way I'm missing that is if I miss the outside post because I'm not aiming for the keeper there's too much goal over here

16:07Gary Neville: Mbwemo isn't a clinical finisher right

16:10Ian Wright: I think if he was on his left foot he probably would have hit that

16:12Gary Neville: he's an instinctive he just hits it he touches it and hits it he's a he's an instinctive finisher he's a scruffy finisher at times he's not a clinical finisher I think Cunha would have been better with it because I think he would have probably placed it you know what I mean I think he would have been better

16:26Ian Wright: I saw Cunha have a shot in that game I couldn't believe when he had that shot he's going through it went over there but you know United I know we go down there we're on the outside looking in and I was taking a lot in on Sunday even going through the car park there's something to miss at United isn't there do you not think not just with the team I know there's protests with the tickets and there's things going on the fans weren't happy obviously with the they're right as well they're right to be as well the fans the transfer during the summer you know players come and they're going there's definitely something to miss there I know there's moments if he'd scored out 1-1 you'd take it whatever there should be punishing

17:02Roy Keane: there's something to miss with that group and that club you know when you look at the group when you look at the whole

17:09Ian Wright: of the Man Utd with the Ineos let's look at Ineos and the other day I've looked at their team like they've got Lausanne they're Lausanne in Switzerland last place Nice last place you look at Man United and everything what's going on at the moment chaos the women's team everything chaos it's chaotic at United at the moment when you look at what's going on at United it's chaotic and the thing is you look at it and you think because I played against the great United and my man was saying the other day Roscoe was saying to me the other day oh you're just stuck in that United you can't move out of it and I said for some reason no I can't but that's something for you to compare to it already yeah and that's what I said, yeah, but that's what I compare them to because that's the standard.

17:48Ian Wright: That's the levels they got to. And now, you're right to say it, Roy. Something's happened.

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19:32Gary Neville: We had our opinions last year, didn't we, on whether Michael would get the job and the fact that the players were brilliant, weren't they, for the last part of the season. Are we seeing the players just drop off that 2-3 % from where they were at the end of last season? Or is that unfair this early on? Are we seeing them just slightly just being... They're not at the speed and sharpness, I don't think. I thought Cobby is. I think Cobby's doing quite well. My point is, do we think that there is an underlying issue now and that we're going to see it? Or do you think it's just a case of slow start, it's going to pick up?

20:04I just think they've got good players. Remember we were on here a couple of weeks ago, at the start of the season, we were looking at the midfields, and we looked at the players they brought in for midfield. Not bad players, good players. Not great players. And you mention a lot, and you're right, they fixed the attack last season, now it's the midfield, next season will be the defence, let's say. But even the attackers they brought in, they're good players. They're not great players. They're just good, good players. They need one of them to sort of be, going to be one of the best players in the league if Man United Is that not Bruno though Cara?

20:37He is the best player he's been that for five years and he's always been the same a top four team the players you brought in in terms of Cunha and Remo they're good players but they're not amazing and I think with the midfield it's the same the players they brought in in midfield are the same that's why I said at the start of the season I was winding you up saying people are getting carried away with United but I just see good players I don't see anything special I don't see anything great it's still Bruno and the rest are just like well last year we discussed his job last year obviously to win some football matches no he's got to manage Man United that's the challenge last year he was come in just win some football matches and they did they did very well they got momentum and had some big results at the very start he got that belief but now it was the summer the transfer some players had the World Cup you look after pre-season disappointed with the transfer players what a player's coming or even Rashford then not going all this type of scenario then they've had a sluggish start of the season.

21:31Are you worried about them this season, Ryan? Yeah, I would. Well, I am just because of the way the season has started. But having said that, they should have beat Everton. Last kick of the game, you're thinking. And they should have got a draw against City. The goal shouldn't have stood. So all of a sudden, an extra two or three points so you're up to six or seven. You're going, all right. So I also wouldn't be panicking, you know, either. Last year, I remember I thought when they were doing well, you go, hold on, there's plenty of work to be done. But I'm also looking at the group going, yeah, everyone needs a break of a ball.

21:57but I'm not looking at this group of players and the manager and the staff going hey they're going places

22:03Roy Keane: It's a depression thing though because I think at the end of last season I'm like they're not really under pressure although Michael Carrick comes in there was no pressure and I feel like whenever the pressure is on them to win City go down to 10 that adds more pressure doesn't it because they're like we can't get beat now we've got 11 v 10 for what 65 minutes or whatever else and I don't know if it is an added pressure I feel like that Of course, there is going to be more pressure. And I know they played Thursday night in a European game. That was dead easy. Listen, I'm not going to say that should take away.

22:33Well, maybe United have been back in the Champions League and the players getting used to it again. You go, maybe that did take a little bit out of them. Even though the game physically and emotionally wasn't a tough game. Really easy game. But again, you're on about playing City the last hour, 60, 70 minutes with an extra man. They weren't even at it. They weren't even putting City under huge pressure. Yeah, they could have got a draw. Like everything, sometimes you have your bad days. the one thing you'd have again your mindset the weekend if we're not at it we're not going to win but we're definitely not going to lose this game let's be upset with the draw but again a draw a clean sheet something to hang your hat on at the moment they've got no momentum and this is where obviously the longer every time they'll slip up the pressure will come on Carrick simple as that last year he was getting all the plaud this year because he's got to manage the club now expectations stuff coming out the last few days young players wanting to leave the academy all that just goes into the mix so how he deals with all the media side of it three times in a year Yeah, against 10 men they've lost.

23:27That tells you, when you're talking about the actual quality or the type of player or the profile player they've got, a club of man, United can't lose three times. But Jamie, the whole point of that is then, so we're looking at United going, so United, a lot of games United will obviously, against the so-called lesser team, will have good possession. So we're saying United aren't that good. It's only for a smaller team to go, we don't want the ball. But there will be an expectation on United, particularly at home, particularly against 10 men, going, you need to dominate this. instead of the United going, like last year, they had a lot of their best results when they were sitting in counter-attack, like their first goal against City when they went to Arsenal.

24:02So a United now going, we're only going to be really good when we don't have the ball.

24:05Gary Neville: I noticed it on Sunday, but I didn't really focus on it. But the quality of the crossing from wide air, the delivery was absolutely awful. Do you know what was poor now? Again, on a bad day, set pieces, the delivery, and it was the same in the European game, just kind of lofted balls. It was a bit more hopeful than...

24:20Ian Wright: You know, I would probably keep, I'd keep Rashford on. I wouldn't say, honestly, no, because he will keep going. In the game, you mean? Yeah, I would keep him on. Even Telemans. Are we going back to Rashford with nothing low on 12? No, it's not that. It's not all on Rashford. But if Rashford and Bruno, the reason you're on two, three hundred grand a week and you're one of the big players is going, we look to you to produce. Do we think Rashford, are you going back to Rashford to get Man United? I don't see it. Only because he's there at the minute. is he a talented player and he can do, we're saying he's back.

24:51Has he got a goal or assist yet? If you're an attacking player, whatever, you can argue all day, but going, them stats are pretty important for attacking players. We talk about Salah, Ronaldo, the stats are key to these lads. So you've been back in the building, you've been out and loaned, the club's not bought you, so you come back, you go, I'm going to be like a cage animal, I'm going to show you.

25:07Ian Wright: He looks like he started sharply though. But he's not got a goal or assist, right, in four or five games. Is that a thumbs up to him?

25:14Roy Keane: Man United's bench versus City, so like, I thought, did they bring Xerxes on? They didn't even want him. I thought, bring like Shea Lacey on or something and then you see City bringing on and Jai and all these great... Like, there's such a massive... He made a massive... I know Sheamus was praising him a couple of weeks ago

25:30Gary Neville: and I tell you, he came on. Yeah, he... To bring Cherky off the team. I did think that at the end of the game because we were actually maybe a little bit sceptical about City when we did the midfield when they hadn't signed Fernandes, Bouadi...

25:41Roy Keane: And we didn't include Cherky, I don't think, in there.

25:44Gary Neville: No, we didn't... But I think when you look... You look at sort of City, you could see that team becoming a title winning team if it doesn't win it this year you could see it becoming a title winning team in the next two or three years because it looks like there's growth there they're like O 'Reilly NDI Kusanoff you know you've got young players that to be fair you've got plenty of years left in it it's quite a young team now City all of a sudden and I look at United's team and I think you're right it's a good team I actually quite like it but then has it got it in it to be a great team because Bruno's going to leave in the next couple of years Rashford's obviously 29-30 Maguire and Martinez as a sort of you know what's our expectation of United we're all sitting there going United are good and they could have beat everything they're good we've dropped our standards towards them I think the whole standards have dropped that man United for everybody all the decision makers they're treating fans whatever's going on the women's team the standards have dropped throughout the club what do we make even our expectation oh like City again I I see players and I see reactions after games and yeah they shouldn't have conceded they couldn't concede in the last minute against everyone and there's still a bit of oh it wasn't our day but you make it your day.

26:49What does this team stand for? What does the club, what does Man United stand for? I think all the standards have 100 % dropped. So we're sitting there going, oh, they're good. They might have been, and even I said, if they got a draw again, if they won Everton, it'd be up to six to seven. Six to seven.

27:05Gary Neville: This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney+. Gary, Max versus 100. Four-time F1 world champion, Max Verstappen versus 100 drivers. at Silverstone, go-karts. He's back to his roots. I was at Silverstone yesterday and I heard about this. What do you think? I love things like this. I love Max Verstappen, actually. I think he's just, he's got that... I like sports people with attitude and personality that are also brilliant. So obviously, if you've got an attitude and a personality, you've got to be able to carry it off. You know, like John McEnroe. Yep. When he was young, John McEnroe.

27:42Gary Neville: I need to think about it. Everyone was like... He was Marmite, wasn't he? Some hated him, some loved him. But you need people like that in sport. And what do you think of him going up against 100? I went go-karting in the summer. Well, you footballers love it, don't they? I love go-karting. We used to go go-karting together, you know. All of us as a team. That was a team day out. We had to go paintballing or go-karting. Who was the best at go-karting? I don't remember. I think Teddy Sheringham was quite good, you know. Teddy Sheringham used to have a supercar. Yeah. Yeah, he used to have a fancy car.

28:10Gary Neville: Roy didn't like it. Oh, yeah. Roy didn't like it. Oh, yeah, Roy dug him out, didn't he? Yeah. So he was good at go-karting? Yeah. What were you like? I'm good, but not... You've got to be a bit of a... I'm not going to say the word, but you've got to be a bit unhinged, haven't you? To go that extra bit of... Yeah, no, so Max versus Hunter, I think it's a really good one, that. And is it good... Do you like it when they take an elite sportsperson and put them outside their comfort zone? Yeah. Go-karts, slightly different rules, isn't it? You can see he's got to be so much better than all of them.

28:43but it's just complicated enough for him all of a sudden to go, hang on.

28:46Gary Neville: I think he'll get there, won't he? He must have done it before. They all come through with go-karts, don't they? Oh, sure. And he's obviously a good driver. Yeah, he can drive, can't he? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who's the best go-kart out of the five? Kieran can't drive, so he's out of the equation. You've just got Carragher, haven't you? You've just got this unhinged individual sat here that will just take risks. You must all be like will-to-win and stuff, mere mortals. I think Wrighty will be a good driver. He loves cars. He has bikes, so he loves that type of thing. I'd go right to your carer. Good.

29:17Excellent. Well, if you're looking for a sporting event like no other, Disney Plus and ESPN present Max vs. 100, now available to stream on Disney Plus.

29:32Gary Neville: I was driving home yesterday, it was probably about 5 o 'clock, and I saw that the JJ Gabriel news broke. Now, obviously, he's a 15-year-old kid. I've only seen clips of him, to be fair, on social media, but he looks like an exceptional talent. That wouldn't have been needed or wanted yesterday by Manchester United. I saw one of the fans say, can you give us a break? It's almost like even in the in-between days of games from Sunday to Wednesday, what do we make of that? I want to talk about it from a point of view for the club but I also want to talk about it from a point of view of a 15-year-old player.

30:03Gary Neville: I've been in United's academy as a 15-year-old. You've been obviously in academy football. We know now that young players have got representation at that age. We know they've got agents at that age. We know that they actually are more, I think, more willing to make braver decisions, we could call it, than maybe we were in our day. If you were at United when you were a kid, or Liverpool, you were at that club, you weren't leaving. But this, to me, the only thing that I can... Ryan Giggs left Manchester City at 14 to go to Manchester United, and that was an earthquake in youth for an academy football at the time.

30:35Gary Neville: Ryan Giggs was the most exceptional talent you could... It was unbelievable. I've never seen anything like it. I remember the first time I saw Giggsie play for United in an under-15s game. I remember thinking, I'm nowhere near. I've got no chance. Just the level of him was like, oh, my goodness. But they took him off City. We'd been there. And it was a massive. City's academy was very good back then in the 90s and 80s. They had a really good academy. They won the Youth Cup. This feels like a moment because I saw he's linked to City today, JJ Gabriel. What do we make of it from a point of view of the player and the kid?

31:06Gary Neville: And what do we make of it? But also, first of all, before you go into the details, I don't think he'd panic either at Man United, because again, this is all, the media now are turning against United, so it is going to be negative. Fans protest the weekend, but we have to get the balance right with criticism of the club as well, and go, young lads leaving. I know it's not a thumbs up, but does that happen to other academies? Do players come and go? Very rare. But the very biggest talent that Man United have is saying that he wants to leave. I'm not saying, I agree with you, Roy, if he wants to leave, he goes.

31:34Gary Neville: We're not going to lose sleep all. but it's still a wound isn't it do you think I'd never heard of the kid if I'm being totally honest so I was seeing a break yesterday then obviously people talking about this kid's going to be the next superstar was it obviously broke yesterday because surely Michael Carrick's given his squad or his team for the Carabao Cup game and that's always a chance to blow well the feeling is the kid thinks he's going to be involved

32:00Ian Wright: remember this kid seeing someone like Max Downman yeah yeah 100 % Lamine Yamao get to Maybe that's his representative. Yeah, but they're a touch older already. A touch older, but remember Max was 15, and Ethan Waniere was 15. So you might be seeing his representative thinking, well, they've got a chance. Why can't Man United give them a chance? Sorry, James, go on. No, but because I've gone through the academy system with James and seen other players who people talked about, and it is different from our day, whereas you were controlled by the club. You've got to accept it is different now, where it's almost the player and the representation at that age they're so terrified of losing them the club have always got to keep them happy so I could imagine discussions with him thinking you're going to make your debut before you're 18 he probably wants to be the youngest player to ever play for Man United all these things they're probably pushing the club and I just think he's probably not being picked in that squad and he's thinking I'm going to make my debut there the youngest player to play for United there's only two things from my experience of speaking to other dads at academies is a money issue or are they getting progressed enough and when you've got a star in the youth teams at some stages when I was a kid I always played a year up and that was seen as a big thing so I was playing for Liverpool a year up now these kids want to be like four years up you know like no no I'm 16 I'm going to be training with the 21s every day and then the 21s isn't enough it's like no the odd little session with the first team it's like they want progression that fast that the coaches are a bit like they're dictating to the club and the coaches what team they should be in now.

33:35This is the thing with Man United. With their agents and their parents.

33:38Ian Wright: You look at a Man United, this wouldn't happen. Like I say, the Man United that I know and the Man United I played against, it would never happen.

33:44Gary Neville: What if they've said, Ian? What if the boys' representatives have gone to the club and said he should be in the first team, he should be starting, and Michael Carrick doesn't believe he's quite ready. Which is fair enough. It's fair enough, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, that's fine. He shouldn't be forced to play a player. That's what I'm saying. You can't just say, OK, I'm going to stick him in because he's going to threaten to leave.

34:00Ian Wright: Yeah, but then this is what we're talking about when we talk about Roy and the difference with Man United now and the chaotic energy around the whole place. These representatives might be thinking, well, if he's that good and he can't get a Carabao Cup 15 minutes to be. Even if you're going to do that just to keep him sweet, I don't know. But Man United didn't do that. That's what he wanted. And they don't respect Man United. People used to respect Man United. So they're thinking, hang on a minute. He's 15 at Arsenal. He's playing. One year he's played. You mean them have played in the Euros and won the Euros at 15, 16?

34:31Ian Wright: I feel like he might be that guy, it might be his representative saying it, but whatever's happening, Gal.

34:36Gary Neville: United have done this with Norman Whiteside, with Ryan Giggs. They have put players in at 16.

34:40Ian Wright: Yeah, but they have done it, but this guy, for whatever reason, he wants it now. He wants to do it now, and this is the difference before. You couldn't dictate to Man United like that and then say, I'm leaving.

34:50Gary Neville: Do we think it's a little bit something more cynical, though, Ian, that ultimately there's probably a club or two or three saying, we will put you in that. Probably will be.

34:57Ian Wright: I think I've seen him. He does a lot of YouTube stuff, I think, a lot of Instagram stuff. You've seen him about. That's where they got him from. I heard that Real Madrid was involved in for him the other day as well. They all want him. Because at that age, they all want him. And so when you've got that kind of talent, you've got representatives that might be thinking, no, no, I want this to move quicker, you're going to leave United. And if he goes to Real Madrid and he's not moved quicker, he'll probably leave there as well. So we'll have to keep an eye on him and see how it works out for him.

35:25Ian Wright: because at the moment it seems like there's people around him who are moving him too quickly. He's 15. Exactly. He's 15. We've got to understand him. Like, everything you hear about the kid, he's meant to be a nice kid. He gets on with his mates all right and everything. So you're thinking it's got to be someone outside because he's 15. He's not saying, I want to do this, I want to do that.

35:44Gary Neville: But yesterday he's effectively, his representatives have obviously briefed the media that he's basically told United he wants to leave. Now, I'm not saying, to me, that is not, that can't come from a 15-year-old kid. No, it's not. And even if a 15-year-old kid says, yeah, I want you to do it, he's a 15-year-old kid. Have United gone and poached 14 - and 15-year-old kids from other clubs? Oh, sure. From other clubs? Oh, absolutely, sure, certainly. You have to take your medicine. I'm sure United have been there the last 20 years. When the young kids, whether they be at the Wolves or lesser clubs, they've got, we're taking them.

36:14Ian Wright: Like a Ryan Giggs, maybe.

36:17Gary Neville: Where do we think this goes in terms of the next, do you think that ultimately they get to some form of agreement or do you think he does end up leaving?

36:23Ian Wright: I think he probably ends up leaving.

36:24Roy Keane: Probably. It's sad, though, because I remember seeing Phil Forden around the academy at 14, 15, and he was just buzzing to be there. And you see, when he got his opportunity, I don't know what age he was, maybe 17, but he was just so happy to be part of Manchester City. And it's sad that these Man United, and I don't think it's coming from him, but they don't have that same feeling. I used to watch Forden go and train with the first team. He'd be the last one on the training pitch because he was just so happy. And it's sad that that doesn't exist. Let's make a point on Foden. Foden gets sent off for the weekend and gets left out of the England squad.

36:59And he loves a YouTube video, kicking the ball against the wall. He probably needs to learn how to head the ball. He would have scored a couple against Palace. So he gets sent off. He lets his team down. And he's walking onto the bus. I'm watching him the other day. Did you see him? He's got one of the United fans. And I'm looking going.

37:12Roy Keane: But he's getting shit, isn't he? I know, but you do react. Not for two seconds walking, but I'm like, you've just been sent off. What are you doing? What are you doing? Get on the bus. I think you do react. And he is a big City fan. I think that's him being a fan as he's walking through there. I think we've got to accept it's different from our day when we were like, oh, my God, Steve Aiway is that guy. But this is too far. But it is different now where you've got to keep these people happy in terms of everybody's, you know, give them enough to keep them going. But are you talking about, if he leaves Jamie, these lads know with their agents, even at this age, would they and their families be getting like, are we talking millions of pounds?

37:54I think so. Are we talking like crazy money?

37:57Ian Wright: I think so. Otherwise, why would you do it? Why would you be tempted if it's not the kind of money that's going to tempt you? The money's there, though, isn't it? The money will be there. It's patience, isn't it? They don't have patience. We don't know what their situation is, why they can't wait. You're telling me he can't wait another... And I understand people don't want to be... I'm the world's worst, I understand. But if you're 15 years of age, you're talking about playing for Man Utd's first team, you go just wait another six weeks can you wait another six weeks so it'll be maybe getting through the cup Parrax are under pressure obviously Ferguson we go back and some of you throw young lads into the first team but United they need kind of wins I don't think United are in a position they go we can ride off a cup game tonight and play a couple of young lads they go no we need to get some wins we need to get momentum into the season and if some 15 year old is spitting his dummy out

38:40Gary Neville: we'll deal with that I think that's the point for me Roy what I was surprised about yesterday was not that ultimately Manchester United might not be playing in the first team or that the kid to be fair might think he should be in the first team. That can happen, can't it? It was the fact that there was this massive, big announcement from a prominent journalist that's obviously been leaked. The club's not going to leak that. It's not in the club's interest to leak this, is it? Exactly, not on the back of the weekend. So the players' representatives have definitely leaked this. They've decided they want to go the nuclear option and go, basically, bang, we've got JJ Gabriel to leave Man United.

39:09Gary Neville: That, to me, is my concern, is that who's representing him thinks that's good for the kid. That is not good. Do you remember Jadon Sancho left Manchester City that was the one and that was a big thing by the way he wasn't happy and he was a bit more high profile he went I'm going to Trentis because I'm not getting but if his agents have leaked on to be fair that's not on United is it no no that's not my United's fault my point is though I would say from a point of view of duty of care for a 15 year old the 15 year old kid this morning is the back page story of every newspaper in the country how are you looking after that kid I don't care whether you think he should be playing or not because to be fair if you think he should be playing great no problem with that I'm sure lots of parents think their kids should be playing.

39:49Gary Neville: However, and representatives, why would you want that leaking out to the newspapers? That is a big problem. But we spoke about Manu a few months ago. Manu's a lot older than him. And we were saying, you have to bide your time as a footballer sometimes. I can't get my head on that they're 15. I would say that to us, 18, 19 or 20-year-old. We were saying about Manu, bide your time. Sit on the bench, learn your trade, even sometimes sitting on the bench. I know he's got his chances, talk it, be ready. But when they have no patience at 15... There's no patience in generation now.

40:16Roy Keane: There's no patience. do you think kids now go I'll wait for that present till Christmas they'll get it tomorrow I think in my experience when I was a kid I was at Lily Shore obviously coming through the systems as we all did watching as I said James come through in the main I think when there's situations like this the players never really fulfil the potential you know when you've got an entourage maybe it's the parents we all know don't we growing up even at our age some parents were a nightmare with their kids or onto coaches or they're not getting enough minutes and you always look back at them years, 20 years later I look back and I'm just thinking that didn't help your son that didn't help your kid and those players I would say 70-80 % of situations that I look at them and think the people around you or your parents are a nightmare hard to deal with never end up doing what they should do because of situations but United did years ago United did have a policy many years ago when we were there about any brilliant young players coming over lots coming over from Ireland and they're getting offered big money from other clubs.

41:17United's policy back in the day was like, we still have this idea, you want to come and play for Man United. We're not going to throw that money at you. But obviously them days are well gone now. We go back to that. Man United isn't that attraction anymore for maybe first-team players, maybe younger kids.

41:31Gary Neville: This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney+. It's interesting, I'm not going to name the kid, but there's one lad who was in the class of 92, to be fair, came from Lily Shaw, who got a two-year apprenticeship, YTS, and a two-year pro. And we all found out, basically the rest of the group, that he got a two-year apprenticeship and a promise of a pro. And he's the only one that probably didn't actually have a career in football. Probably easy to work out. No, my point is, though, we were all... I thought you'd done all right. No, but my point is, though, you're right. You've been giving him that early.

42:09Gary Neville: I just think maybe that, to be fair, I don't know whether he then thought, oh, I'm different than the rest, or whether he thought that I've made it, but I just don't see the logic from any representatives of a 15-year-old boy who think it's a good idea to put his name in lights right now. You want to try and sort of douse the flames, don't you? You don't have fuel to a fire when you've got... You want to keep him undercover. Max Downman, if you remember last year when he came on, Sky probably asked for an interview at the end of the game. Arsenal said no. They got him straight back into the change room.

42:37Gary Neville: he's back at school on the Monday morning he's giving them he's having it sort of like in his Ferrari in trouble

42:44Roy Keane: he's sofa driven he's sofa driven Ferrari you know what you said there it's funny so when we go to Liddish show so I was another lad from Liverpool so we're 14 so we're there till we're 16 and we've signed schoolboy forms with Liverpool and they've gone and you can have a YTS as well like a what is it £29.50 £29.50 so we're going to Liddish show we're in the best 16 kids in the country in England and we're going oh my god we've got a YTS gets to Lillyshaw everyone's going 3A pro one lad one lad won't name names he got 10 grand to sign on now don't forget this is 19 that's 30 years ago 30 years ago how old were they being?

43:2714 so that was like a pro we were getting fucking full of 3 but you know it's a great reflection for any young player we've all been in first teams are younger players and you are impatient you all want to play but you know we have to wait for something then you have to wait for decent money I was a farce I was playing the first team even I was talking about it last week to my wife I was thinking Brian Clough kept me on literally the same money for two and a half years it's good man I know we complain about it sometimes you waited

43:50Roy Keane: didn't you it keeps you the hunger

43:52Ian Wright: you get too much money when you're younger honestly that's what Steve Coppola done with Palace even when it started to happen for me I was thinking I can't even go out with the guys I'm fucking broke I was two years in and everything what he'd done was exactly what I needed to do. Everything, because then once I'd done that and I kept playing and that... But you weren't thinking that at the time where you're ready, don't you? No, not at the time, because I was thinking... Yeah, but I was thinking when I was like, I can't even go out properly. I've ever fucking broke still. I earned more money when I was doing the building for two years than when I was at Palace.

44:25Ian Wright: Back in the building. But the thing is... No, no, no, no. I was earning more money. I signed the contract. But then, when I signed that next deal, he totally looked after me.

44:33Roy Keane: But were you represented at 15? I don't think I got represented till 31.

44:37Ian Wright: No, no, no.

44:38Roy Keane: But did you actually get... No, but did you get represented at 15?

44:43Gary Neville: None of us are agents, to be fair. That's for me. I do think now these lads at 15, 16 probably do need representation because you could argue that the clubs did control, you said it before. So I do think they need representation, but any representative of a 15-year-old kid who thinks it's a good idea to actually put his name up in spotlights is not looking after the kid. It's not going to be good. They're not looking after the kid. Has he gone too far the other way? No, clubs had too much control, of course, we know that, even for us senior players and your contract situation. But now we've gone too far the other way.

45:09There's no middle ground, no. Again, a 14, 15, you know, dictating to big clubs.

45:13Gary Neville: Roy, I found out the wages, I can't remember, it was maybe a couple of years ago, some of the lads that are like, haven't played a game at like 17, 18 at Premier League clubs and 19.

45:21Ian Wright: I remember I saw that when the Chelsea...

45:22Gary Neville: The wages are absolutely staggering. It's like they've not played a game. It's like, oh my God, that can't be right. And yeah, they're on that type...

45:29Ian Wright: 40s and 40 grands.

45:30Gary Neville: What, a week? Yeah, they're on 30, 40 grands a week. These lads haven't played a game. I don't get to football. I always remember Brendan Rodgers. It's always stuck in my head. I like that line. Because he'd come from Chelsea. He's a head manager there or something. And he used to say, we're paying them to fail. Yeah.

45:43Roy Keane: Yeah. It's just, they lose the hunger. He said, we're actually paying them to fail. Yeah. You're giving them too much money. And we all don't want to be that person. The old ex-pro. Oh, the players are on too much money. You know, Tommy Smith was saying that about me. Don't give him a YTS, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you don't want to be that person. but it does feel with younger players who've not played which I still think the top kids I'm sure Mike alone and Rooney when they were 16 were getting good deals off the field as well but I still think the real smart guys go it's never been about the money but unfortunately it is for lots of players

46:17Gary Neville: I think it was when we were in New York in the summer there was that Japanese baseball player I don't think it was he deferred his money to the end of his career so that basically I just think when you think about maybe from 16 to 20 and these lads maybe they are going to earn 30, 40 grand a week which is 2 million pounds a year maybe they just get like the like 500 pounds a week and maybe they have it deferred until the 30

46:41Roy Keane: that's a great idea

46:42Gary Neville: it sounds crazy but I just I don't think you can do it to 30 you have to give it no no chance

46:47Roy Keane: yeah because you don't need all that money

46:48Gary Neville: maybe to 21 I don't borrow because like you want to start

46:51Ian Wright: you can't do it to 30 why don't you defer yours to me he chose to do that and he's the one who chose to do that yeah he chose to do it because at the moment he's earning 2 million a year Yeah, no, it also helps the team. There's a tactic behind that. Because there is. Because it's the money that comes up to the club. Yeah, the capital is the rest of the team, yeah. But he's earning two million a year, and then when he finishes, he'll end up with a hundred million a year or something.

47:10Gary Neville: Last piece before we go on to Super 6. Just the start of the season for Villa, Tottenham, Liverpool, and Manchester United, four clubs. It's been tough, hasn't it?

47:22Roy Keane: Yeah.

47:23Gary Neville: Really tough. Which of those four that you look at, Do you have most faith in being able to pull out of it and get back to where maybe we thought they were going to be? Do you think they're all going to struggle?

47:34Ian Wright: I think Villa might get themselves out of it. I just feel like with that manager. I want to. Yeah, get on a bit. I don't mean relegation. I think they'll get to themselves. I don't think they'll do whatever in the last few years the squad's not stronger to go. Because the thing is, they haven't got enough. They've still got Champions League. They're probably going to have to sacrifice their Premier League position just to maybe get into Europa League this season. So I think it's going to be a tough one, but I think it'll be all right. And I think when you need the biggest sport in the sport, we obviously need a bit of momentum.

48:03United and Liverpool need a couple of results back-to-back. You know, you had that feel-good factor, even for these big clubs. Momentum is huge. The worry is Spurs. Spurs don't know. I think it might click for Tottenham, though. It doesn't look right at Spurs.

48:14Roy Keane: The first half, I only watched the first half against Everton, but I thought they looked all right. There's 15 in 20 minutes. Yeah, I think it'll... it's just for me they've got like Savio he's changed his name hasn't he Savio like the end product it looks great when they're on the ball but the end product just isn't like the cross I know but I think will it just come I don't know if you're playing for big clubs that's where the quality comes into it I think it was big for Liverpool to win last night I do it was one of those games that you think okay first round the Carabao Cup you're playing a Premier League team make changes we always think it's not the end of the world in the Carabao Cup if you go out but it just felt the way Liverpool started this season I was looking at the team and thinking the manager could do it winning this you don't want to lose that go out and then you're going to Bournemouth away and then let's say you draw a Bournemouth you might lose who knows then you've got a three week international Tottenham needed to win that didn't they I think both teams did Tottenham were never going to win that game

49:09Gary Neville: when I saw Liverpool's team and obviously saw that I thought he made a lot of changes Tottenham made a few as well

49:16Roy Keane: but there was a lot stronger

49:18Gary Neville: that can't go and win it and when you say a strong team go true to the Spurs team I thought they went stronger than Liverpool. I know, but it's not just about... They were always going to try. That's just the whole mindset of lacking goals. What's wrong going on a goal with a Liverpool?

49:30Ian Wright: You know the thing, Roy, you say they're lacking goals. When you look at their goal scorers, whether it's Richarlison, Solanke, even Marmouche, who's just got the Savinho, you're looking through, there's no goals in that team. And then you've got a manager... They create a chance. Then you've got a manager that's making contention with his centre-forward in a time where they're not scoring goals. What do you make of that righty? Well, I think it's crazy. Because whatever you think about Richarlison, if you put him up there, he causes problems and they need to score. You know what I mean? You've got someone like Andy Robertson who can get down the end to get the ball in the box.

50:03Ian Wright: Sometimes you look in there, Solanke's not in there, he's just getting there too late. But get Richarlison in there, because he's chaotic. He can do something. And you're having an argument. You've got an argument. He's not even nowhere near the team. You know, Serb is coming off the pitch. He's dressing down, tell in front of everyone. But was he? Is that character though? Yeah, but the thing is, is that last season... Was he having a go at him? Was he just telling him he should have just gone? No, right. The way he said it, you know... You see, Pep... Pep used to do Pep. Yeah, but Pep gives them some love.

50:28Ian Wright: He might be... It's really rough when he's giving the love, Pep, when he's doing that, like, pulling their hair and everything. But, like, with this guy, you could see him berating him because the guy himself went like that. Yeah, but... And then he walked off. And I'm thinking, last season, you came on off to think, oh, he's changed. He's giving all his tactiles, giving... And obviously, because they were struggling last season, finished 17th, obviously, twice. and then this is, he's reverted back to light. I think right is right in that when you talk about the teams, Tottenham is the one you look at because they were the story of the summit in terms of what they were spending.

50:57But you do know that manager, you just feel like anything could happen at any time. He's a keg man, he's a keg. He's got the weekend. He's a padded keg man, he's ready to go. Spheres Villa the weekend.

51:06Roy Keane: I think it'll click for Tottenham. I do only want four, we're four games in.

51:10Gary Neville: Did anybody read anything to Kieran McKenna being there on Saturday? Being at? At the gate, I was watching the game Saturday, the tea time, 5.30, it was Tottenham v Everton. I'm sure Kieran McKenna was watching. He was there, yeah. And I just thought, did anybody read anything? You know what you read? What, Lincoln? He will now. You wouldn't go much. Yeah, yeah.

51:26Ian Wright: Yeah, but the thing is, Roy, you would. Just to be facetious, he's gone there just to, let's see what people think.

51:31Gary Neville: No, but I just thought, you know, because obviously... That one, he's behind everyone. Kieran McKenna's obviously left. He's on the roof. He's left Ipswich. He's obviously looking for a job higher up in the Premier League. I wouldn't go much, a manager under pressure. I know plenty who do that.

51:44Roy Keane: Do you? Do you know who? Did anyone do it to you?

51:48Gary Neville: Yeah, but in fact... No, I don't think he's been looking at... I wouldn't have thought. No, I wouldn't think he'd do it. I just thought we cut to him, obviously. Sky cut to him, obviously, in the game. And I just thought to myself... Why would you go to that game?

51:59Ian Wright: Why would you go to that game unless you... You know people are going to say that. You just think, you know what? That's my point. That means he's not up to no good. He is up to no good. No.

52:07Roy Keane: Well, up to no good. Just watch at home. No. Well, if he comes to the next Borough's manager, then... Well, then you have to sit, yeah, we'll have to have a chat. Put him on the list with all the other fellas who go and watch games. They know the manager's under pressure. Did you have anyone do it to you? Who?

52:21Ian Wright: No, we'll talk about it after. Who took over for me? Nothing, I wanted to carry a grudge.

52:25Gary Neville: Did you pick that up? I don't know. You've got that, you've got that. It'll come out in the next few episodes. Just pretending to be at the game, you know what I mean? Brilliant. Just by chance, just going to that game when you're under pressure. It would just pass it. Is this at Sunderland, Roy? Not just with me, no, but other managers. Oh, with other managers, you mean, sorry. And with me, but other managers. We'll get it out of them. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney+. The Super 6£1 million jackpot is still up for grabs. The jackpot started the season at£1 million and it stays there until someone wins it.

53:07Gary Neville: It's completely free to play, just predict the scores of six football matches, get them all right and that£1 million could be yours. 18 plus TNCs apply.

53:21Right. Last week. Oh, last week. Shocking. Gary and Jamie. Zero. Four points. Oh, they've got four, don't they? I'd take four points.

53:31Ian Wright: Yeah, but you've only four games in. We must be bad. Zero and eight now. Yeah, Dewey is torn. It's only four games in. Eight points. Yes! Yes! Come on, it's happening. I knew it. That must have been on me, that. What did I get? Yes. What did you get? Don't say what individuals got. I know they did. I know, I know. We've all done it. You're holding me back. You got the draws for Man City. I knew that's the one. I knew it. Forrest won all with Spurs, so you got the draw for that. Two points for that. Everton United, you got two points for the draw. Yes. No, right? No, no, no. Either United 2-1. You got four.

54:05That would have been, yeah. That's a sore one. Will anyone be walking away as a millionaire from round seven? I mean, you five, probably. Not me. Brighton Arsenal, 3pm Saturday. Boggs away. Who, Brighton Arsenal? Brighton Arsenal.

54:20Roy Keane: I reckon Dunk could get a hat-trick. What time kick-off is this?

54:23Gary Neville: 3pm Saturday. Can't even make TV games now. What do you mean? 3 o 'clock Saturday. I know. People don't even want to watch you anymore. 1-0 Arsenal.

54:30Roy Keane: Are you working this weekend?

54:32Gary Neville: 1-0 to the Arsenal. Are you working this weekend?

54:35Roy Keane: Are you just doing, like, one in four? I seen you pop up. I was like, oh, are you doing that thing where you want the public to miss you? I think less is more.

54:45Gary Neville: I'm doing Fulham, Manchester United on Sunday. What are you doing? 2-0. Liverpool.

54:51Ian Wright: One second, man. I need everybody. Jill. Do you want to take Brighton? I've got a goal in them at home.

54:55Roy Keane: Who's your Monday night football guest? 2-0.

54:58Ian Wright: Can we go 2-0, please? 2-0, of course you can. 2-0 to the great Arsenal. The champions. Newcastle Hall. We are. Newcastle Hall, 3pm.

55:07Roy Keane: Righty, Gabrielle did my... That's a tough game. Heading against Sunderland. Did you see when Bobby pushed him and he went down like someone had took a rifle to his chest?

55:15Ian Wright: No, he didn't.

55:16Roy Keane: I was going to text you. I was like, right here, I can't watch him.

55:20Ian Wright: He was OK.

55:21Roy Keane: Hull? Can Hull get something in Newcastle? Are Hull going to carry on? Are Hull going to carry on? Newcastle will win.

55:25Ian Wright: I think they'll be fine. No, Hull will get something. Newcastle will win. Great story. Strength and energy.

55:30Gary Neville: Is it the story of the season so far, Hull? Easily. Easily. Definitely.

55:33Ian Wright: Easily. Brilliant. I want to give Hull something, Roy. Yeah. We'll give them a draw. If they can go there and get a draw. Newcastle or Holmes?

55:42Roy Keane: I think Newcastle will win that. It's a hard one.

55:44Ian Wright: It's a tough one because... 2-1 Newcastle. Sorry, I just... No, no, no, do it. We'd be in our own day. If you said 2-1 all over the place, yeah.

55:51Gary Neville: We would have gone that. What did you say, Jill? What did you say?

55:54Roy Keane: No, I don't copy us.

55:56Gary Neville: 3-1. 3-1 Newcastle. Good show. Wow. We would have gone 2-1 Newcastle, to be fair.

56:02Roy Keane: Right, we need to do... Forest to Coventry.

56:04Gary Neville: 5.30pm Saturday. They'd have to show one for Coventry. Oh, no. How bad was that? You know, if you're not at your best, you don't know how to play Brighton, do you? No. Not even at home, particularly at home. I was watching that on the gantry at Old Trafford and I just felt a little bit like, my stomach sort of went a little bit, just like horrible. Because you could see they just didn't have a clue out

56:20Ian Wright: and they didn't know what to do. They was all over the place.

56:23Roy Keane: What about the goals conceded? Was it Ipswich Palace? Just like three headers and everything? Palace. That was a sick thing. Forest were good at the weekend. They feel like playing really well. Gibbs White and Munoz were amazing. He's good though.

56:36Ian Wright: Gibbs White's magnificent. No job, anything.

56:38Gary Neville: 2-0. Roy, Gibbs White. Forrest, 2-0.

56:41Ian Wright: I think so. I really do. How is he not being snapped up? Every time I watch him in the game, he does something that is good. I love it.

56:47Roy Keane: You're not convinced? Oh, my God, I like him. Roy, I'm just asking you about being convinced.

56:52Gary Neville: You said, I think, maybe a month or so, you're not wholly convinced yet about Kobe Mania. The more you watch him, do you think... Oh, yeah, no, obviously there's a talent here, but I kind of want to play well for, like... A few games. 15, 20, 25 games. He's doing well in the East. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

57:07Roy Keane: How good was Anderson? There's always that talent there. Oh, my God. Anderson was... Hey, you've run about City the weekend. Defensively, the two centre-halves. Geahy was outstanding. Oh, Geahy was brilliant. He was brilliant. I'm telling you. I thought he could have been player of the match, actually. Will we give Coventry a goal? Will they score a first? No, not a first. They're not scoring. 2-1, Forrest.

57:25Ian Wright: Sorry, I've got it. Sorry. I would have gone 0-0. More goals for Forrest. No, Forrest. 2-1. That's what you said. Bournemouth, Liverpool. I didn't think that was a...

57:34Gary Neville: Ben, I think we've stumbled over something. What? Right, because they've ignored Jill. I think you should do a Jill column of what those scores would be. See whether they get more points. We've never ignored Jill. See whether they get more points. I ignore you.

57:50Ian Wright: Jill loves that. You ignore me all the time. Jill loves to say that we didn't take notes.

57:55Roy Keane: No-one ignores you. The reason why we don't take her opinions about it is because I was wrong. Just like us. Hard to argue with that, Jill, isn't it? Jill, you go with it. No pressure. Go on, Jill. Are Bournemouth playing tonight? No, no. They've got a free midweek.

58:17Ian Wright: Let her do a homework, actually.

58:19Roy Keane: I'm just asking. No, no, they're not playing. Oh, that's hard. Do you think it's Bournemouth? Go with it, Jill. What do you think? High pressing. I think draw. Draw, yeah.

58:34Ian Wright: Good show. Draw, two, two, one. No, 1-1. 1-1. 1-1. OK, Bournemouth are playing Thursday night away in Europe.

58:44Roy Keane: Yeah, put them in four. It's in now, it's in now. You were right, it looks two. They were playing. Cara, what do you think? I'm going to go... I'll leave you there with you. I'm going to go Liverpool, 3-1. No chance. No chance, Cara. We'll give you an extra... It's because you've got a YTS there. No chance. No chance, 3-1. You don't think 3-1?

59:01Ian Wright: I think they've got it in there. They could switch on people. Because Isak...

59:05Roy Keane: I'm going to this game. City-Sundland. 2pm Sunday. 2pm Sunday. They're gone. Is it your gone? Is it your gone? Yeah, it is yours, actually.

59:13Gary Neville: I think that City have been... They've struggled a little bit. They've won, but they've struggled a little bit home, haven't they, against... Who was it? Bournemouth and Coventry. They've had it tough, haven't they? Do I think 2-1? You know what I'm saying?

59:23Ian Wright: You know what I see with City? Cara, you know what I see?

59:26Gary Neville: What are you thinking? I just think Sunderland could get a set piece or something.

59:32Roy Keane: You know who's flying for Sunderland? Bobby.

59:34Gary Neville: He gave Ponser and Gabriel a game.

59:37Roy Keane: I don't want anyone to take him, though. 3-1. Yeah, 3-1 City. We've got 2-1, will we? 2-1? Yeah. 2-1 City. We've got a lot of 2-1. Yeah, I don't know. We'll all go 2-1. No, 2-1's a... OK, Fulham, Manchester United. 4.30pm Sunday. United a win. United win. Good this week. United, the team we've unsorstated the international break. Fulham. the Bantic club

59:57Ian Wright: can you imagine if they don't win you don't want to be that club do you for three weeks everyone's talking about you don't do you do you get sucked into the full of atmosphere they're next to the river and all this everyone's just too relaxed they're all having the Pims yes it is a three week break oh what's that road what's that Kings Road you don't want to be the team Kings Road Kings Road Kings Road that's Chelsea all the United fans are getting ripped off 20 quid a pint you know something that's a deep swimming pool in the ground no no no Yeah, that's nice.

1:00:27Roy Keane: I think... Yeah, United. United.

1:00:29Ian Wright: Two or three. We've got three one, United. Three one, Bruno. We have to give them more than three. Do you know what? Yeah.

1:00:36Roy Keane: I don't think there's going to be four goals.

1:00:37Gary Neville: I think United win Sunday, do you? Yeah. Jamie's not sure. Absolutely. To be fair, having watched Fulham a couple of times, I think they're really going to struggle. Fulham are home. I think they're really going to struggle. I don't know how they actually... People are being ruined. Everything about Fulham right now for me, you're probably clipping this up on Sunday night everything about Fulham right now for me looks like they could be in real trouble they played a lot, they were better at Anfield they won didn't they make it in the Carabao Cup

1:01:05Ian Wright: I worry for Fulham I worry a bit for Palace as well for some reason whatever happens, what sticks United on a Tuesday we have a good record of Fulham don't we?

1:01:14Gary Neville: what are you going to do? I think 2-0 or 2-1 2-1

1:01:20Ian Wright: Fulham Gary, honestly I can't believe you lot beat us when you're so predictable. Thank you very much. How are we predictable? That's our first 2-1. How are you getting on in the actual game?

1:01:29Roy Keane: Well, I might just fail 10 players. Don't worry. I think they've got that.

1:01:32Gary Neville: You'll be back, Gary. It's a long, old ride. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney+.

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1:02:38Gary Neville: We've got our Disney quiz and the Disney quiz this week. Just ask Jamie. Right. The Disney quiz this week is around... No, no, it won't be as easy for him this week.

1:02:50Roy Keane: The Disney quiz this week is around

1:02:52Gary Neville: who is older? Oh, God. So, the first question to give you an example. Roy. What's older? Oh, the film. Toy Story 1 or Kylian Mbappé? What's older?

1:03:04Roy Keane: Toy Story 1.

1:03:06Gary Neville: What's older? Come on, first. Yeah, what's older? LAUGHTER I'm loving to say that. Come on, that's important. Yeah. What's the main character in Toy Story called? Woody. Is Woody older than Kylian Mbappe? Yeah. How old is Mbappe?

1:03:26Ian Wright: He's 20... Was he 22 now? Just something. I'm staggered by this Kylian Mbappe age. How old is he?

1:03:32Roy Keane: 28, isn't he? 25.

1:03:34Ian Wright: No, he's not 28. He's younger now.

1:03:37Roy Keane: 25. I think Toy Story was first.

1:03:41Ian Wright: Toy Story, I'm going to go Toy Story. So that's at least eight years, isn't it? so he must be 26 how many 27 right who are you going for

1:03:50Gary Neville: Toy Story we think Toy Story's older

1:03:52Roy Keane: and I think Mbappe's 25

1:03:55Gary Neville: 24 right you've got the right he could be 24 you've got the right answer he won the World Cup at 17 didn't he yeah you've got the right answer he won the World Cup at 17 I don't think he did go on gal he did didn't he yeah 17 when he scored in the final yeah he won his 17 right I'm going to tell you how old so Toy Story's the right answer Toy Story was 1995 1995. Kylian Mbappé, 1998. He's 28.

1:04:19Roy Keane: Wow. I thought he was about 25. You're right. Sorry.

1:04:24Gary Neville: I didn't realise he's... He's 27, but he's nearly 28. He's 28 this year. But he's 27, then! He's closer to 28 than he is 27. Right, when's he 28, by the way? It must be the rest of the... No, but in December. In December. No, but if you bumped into him in the street, you'd say, what age are you? What would he say? 27. Thank you. But he's 28 in two months. No one said that. He's 28 and he is 27. I'm 10, but I'm 11 in 26 weeks. He's 27 and 10 months. Have you seen that tweet of the Arsenal with the 27, 28? No. You've never seen it? No. Which one? Is anyone aware of that tweet, that like meme, about the Arsenal fans on Twitter arguing about whether someone was 27?

1:04:59No.

1:05:00Gary Neville: No. I'll get it. Get it for us. You need to get out more, Jim. We'll see it. Go on, Jim. What have you got on, Cal? Right. Beauty and the Beast or Lionel Messi? What about him? Who's the oldest? Who? Beauty and the Beast or Lionel Messi?

1:05:15Roy Keane: Right, how old's Messi?

1:05:17Ian Wright: It's got to be Beauty and the Beast. Which one are we talking about? Beauty and the Beast. Beauty and the Beast has been around since I was a child.

1:05:23Gary Neville: Beauty and the Beast. That's it. Well, Beauty and the Beast is not around since you were a child. When were you a child? I remember Beauty and the Beast's story when I was a child. When were you a child? You big when you were little. It's the movie, not the book. Oh, the movie.

1:05:34Roy Keane: I think Messi was here before Beauty and the Beast.

1:05:40Gary Neville: if i said to you that beauty and the beast is 1991 35 years old how old do you think leaner messi is 39 39 yeah it was 1987 so it's leaner messi's right he's older are me and him are the

1:05:54Ian Wright: same yeah you see you and messi got something in common and i'll say that was when the great football talent was given out the little mermaid or cristiano ronaldo

1:06:09Gary Neville: Cristiano Ronaldo just to give you a clue well no The Little Mermaid he's 1985 Cristiano Ronaldo he's 41 Little Mermaid he's unbelievable Little Mermaid

1:06:17Ian Wright: and he's still playing

1:06:18Gary Neville: 41

1:06:19Roy Keane: he looks amazing The Little Mermaid

1:06:21Gary Neville: no it's not the right answer Ian Little Mermaid's 1989 wow

1:06:24Ian Wright: I can't believe I got that one wrong it's not my one though Little Mermaid here we go I had to watch it with my girls

1:06:29Gary Neville: Cool Runnings great movie or Mo Salah who's older it's a good movie brilliant film the Bobsleigh thing yeah brilliant film these are all Disney films cool running it was a great film it's one of the greats so cool running was 1993 which is 33 years old right Mo Salah 1992

1:06:55Ian Wright: oh just we're doing one we're just doing a year yeah yeah a year older

1:06:59Gary Neville: 34 last one go on The Incredibles or Duke Bellingham

1:07:05Roy Keane: Oh, The Incredibles. That's not that far long ago, is it?

1:07:10Gary Neville: No. The Incredibles.

1:07:13Roy Keane: I'll go Drew Bellingham.

1:07:15Gary Neville: Drew Bellingham. Wow. Drew Bellingham, 2003. Incredibles, 2004. I'm so close.

1:07:20Roy Keane: And that is Incredible on Disney+. You can watch it. Did you see him out of the Formula One last week? Yeah. It's really weird when you see him. My brother went. The whole team, didn't he? Yeah, my brother went. He said it was brilliant.

1:07:31Gary Neville: I think you'll quite like this one, you know. Hang on. Never mind, yeah. but the whole team were there was strange

1:07:36Roy Keane: can we go to the Formula 1 I think we should go

1:07:41Gary Neville: who do you want to go with

1:07:42Ian Wright: Mercedes

1:07:43Gary Neville: I think this is a good one actually we've got an extension is this a Disney character or a football manager quote if you do not believe you can do it then you have no chance at all is that Cinderella or Arsene Wenger you know what Say it again. If you do not believe you can do it, then you have no chance at all. Is it Cinderella or Arsene Wenger? Cinderella. Would Cinderella say no chance?

1:08:15Ian Wright: No, that's it. No chance. No chance.

1:08:21Gary Neville: He wouldn't write that into the thing. I hope it's Cinderella. It's Arsene Wenger. It has to be Arsene Wenger. She's not going to say no chance. She doesn't say no chance. Okay, so this one The only way to get what you want in this world is through hard work Is that the princess and the frog or Brian Clough?

1:08:41Roy Keane: Oh my god Sounds like Gary Neville I'm going to go

1:08:46Gary Neville: The only way to get what you want in this world is through hard work Is that the princess and the frog or Brian Clough?

1:08:52Roy Keane: Would he say that?

1:08:53Ian Wright: I'd say both of them He could say that

1:08:57Roy Keane: I'm going to say the princess and the frog

1:08:59Ian Wright: It is The Princess and the Frog. Have you seen The Princess and the Frog?

1:09:03Roy Keane: It was 50-50.

1:09:05Ian Wright: I love Princess and the Frog. Right.

1:09:07Gary Neville: We have to change from doubters to believers. Jurgen Klopp or Rafiki from The Lion King? Jurgen Klopp. Jurgen Klopp. And last one. All it takes is faith and trust. Sir Kenneth Algleish or Peter Pan? Peter Pan. Peter Pan.

1:09:25Roy Keane: I love it. I love what you said, James.

1:09:29Gary Neville: Let's see. I've got one more here. We've got Bill Shankly. Can you imagine? No chance. No chance. We've got to go. Aim for the sky and you'll reach the ceiling. Aim for the ceiling and you'll stay on the floor. Walt Disney or Bill Shankly? I think it's about... I can't even have Bill.

1:09:46Roy Keane: Walt Disney. Walt Disney.

1:09:49Gary Neville: Bill Shankly.

1:09:50Ian Wright: Nice one, Bill.

1:09:51Roy Keane: I wanted it to be Bill Shankly.

1:09:52Gary Neville: I think you've actually read the answer before... Aim for the sky and you'll reach the ceiling. aim for the ceiling and you'll stay on the floor.

1:09:58Roy Keane: I do like that one. Yeah, but then why didn't they just carry on?

1:09:59Gary Neville: Aim for the moon and you'll get the sky. Yes, it does.

1:10:01Roy Keane: I do like a good quote, though.

1:10:03Gary Neville: This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney+. Wayne Rooney has recently said... Oh, God. ...that he's seen a...

1:10:14Roy Keane: On Stick to United.

1:10:15Gary Neville: On Stick to United. He said he's seen a ghost. Sponsored by Disney. He said he's seen a ghost. Do you believe in ghosts? As I said, he's seen a ghost. Yeah, he did. Have you not watched Six United out on Disney Plus? Have you seen... Not what... He said he's seen a ghost. Have you seen Ricky Gervais when he talks about all those ghosts?

1:10:36Ian Wright: Wait, wait. I didn't know he said that. Hang on, gal. Have you seen when Ricky Gervais... I've never quite actually seen one yet. Have you seen when Ricky Gervais says these ghost shows? He says, hang on, what was that? Oh, sorry, it's only the fella over there. No one's ever seen a ghost. They've got all these programmes about ghosts. You know something? I get eerie. If you go into a new place and that, You feel eerie, but I'm not really a ghost guy. My mum used to say something, a ghost knows who to frighten. If you're not frightened, then they shouldn't frighten you.

1:11:03Roy Keane: I felt like a present sometimes, but I haven't seen a ghost.

1:11:09Ian Wright: Where was you?

1:11:09Roy Keane: In my bedroom.

1:11:16Roy Keane: There wasn't anyone there, but you just feel as if someone's there.

1:11:20Gary Neville: You wish there was. Anyone believe in ghosts? No.

1:11:25Roy Keane: Not like ghost.

1:11:26Gary Neville: Where did he say he saw a ghost? When he was growing up. Was it Crockey Hall? When he was growing up. Crockey Hall. Crockey Hall. And then he saw a ghost in his bedroom at night.

1:11:35Roy Keane: God, that would scare me, though. A ghost? It would scare, yeah.

1:11:39Gary Neville: What's annoyed you this week?

1:11:41Roy Keane: Roy not replying. I've asked him for coffee three times and he doesn't reply. You didn't ask me this. I have. So, Roy. Were we in your restaurant last week? Oh, restaurant. That sounds posh. Me and Nev do. Yeah, but your message is 9pm on Thursday night going breakfast at Box to Box. And I was on a train to London and you were like, you should be at the shop as if I work there like full time. So I'm going Roy. We had a nice, lovely porridge. Oh, was it nice? You do lovely porridge. Yeah. I make it myself. That was beautiful.

1:12:12Ian Wright: What's an idea this week? You know, it's not really annoyed, but like it's something that's three times this week. I woke up my cat's been on my neck.

1:12:21Gary Neville: Was it a ghost?

1:12:22Ian Wright: It was definitely not a ghost. but you know when you wake up and the thing is I can tell you why it's the problem because I'm still allergic to him a bit and like I'm coughing the cat's right there walking up three times it's kind of annoyed me but I love him I've just got no time for pets mate

1:12:34Roy Keane: have you not? not a dog

1:12:36Ian Wright: it's not annoyed me but like it makes me very I get wheezy so that's kind of annoying and I said thanks close the door he irritated me Phil Ford when I saw him doing that that really annoyed me on the picture outside yeah just walking off the pitch not walking onto the bus I can imagine I just thought What an idiot. What an idiot. Yeah, but that's just the reaction. He's, you know, he's feeling... We make excuses for players all the time. He's from Manchester. So what? Imagine walking on the bus doing this.

1:13:06Roy Keane: Yeah, but they must have been shouting things at him, I think. Or shout back at him then. We don't be doing that one. What age is he? Six. Yeah, but you're saying that about him. They're grown men in that, talking shit to him. I wasn't too happy Liverpool do on their own. They'll know with Fulham.

1:13:22Ian Wright: Yeah. That was a great result. You're going deep. I went deep. You lot are just talking about football. I'd say, take my one out. I'd say, well, I was... I mean, I was upset with Gabrielle getting done for that penalty, if that's what we're talking about.

1:13:36Roy Keane: Actually, Gabrielle did my head in with Robbie, when Robbie pushed him and he went down.

1:13:41Ian Wright: Yeah, the Conza one. Conza one. You know what I mean? I didn't think it was a penalty, the Conza one. It wasn't a penalty. They've got to look at that longer. I didn't think it was a penalty. For Christ's sake.

1:13:50Roy Keane: Gary, what's annoyed you? I'm trying to think Really? I've ended up watching that programme you mentioned a few weeks ago What's that American? Chad Powers Yeah, I ended up watching some of that, it's not bad How do you haven't seen it? Chad Powers? Yeah, about American football What programme, what size is it on? It's on Disney Plus Are you getting paid for that? No, no, he mentioned a few weeks ago

1:14:12Ian Wright: Was it good? It's funny, isn't it? I'm going to watch it Is it like a documentary kind of film? No, no, no Is it a film? No, it's a series OK, I'll check it out.

1:14:22Roy Keane: So nothing's annoyed Gary?

1:14:24Gary Neville: Nothing's annoyed me this week, actually. No, no, no, that annoyed me. You look very annoyed when you go to the Sky Studio. The VAR didn't look and see that he'd been judo-fro. You look very annoyed.

1:14:31Roy Keane: I thought I was a penalty in real time.

1:14:33Gary Neville: I was annoyed. On TV, you looked annoyed. I was annoyed after the game Sunday. You're bringing negativity after games now. It's meany pants. But you do if you're like...

1:14:41Roy Keane: He had Liverpool, I had Roy, he had Phil Foden, you had pussy on your neck.

1:14:52Ian Wright: And on that note... He was definitely not annoyed with that. We have to keep it in now.

1:14:59Gary Neville: And on that note, that's the end of the show. I can't go any further.

1:15:11Gary Neville: Beautiful end, Jill. Nice, Jill. You know we were going with that one. Nice image. This has been a Global and the Overlap production.

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