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1:59Gary Neville: It feels different in here today. Why does it feel different? Is there no cameras here or something? Or something that used to be here?

2:09Gary Neville: Thanks everybody for that. I don't think anything is different. Thanks for that, Kieran. Yeah, but it's not, is it? I've not eaten anything this morning. You've got options. I can't eat croissants. Why not? Fruit. Is that piping hot? Of course it is. Thanks, Ken. There are some foods which have got that many calories in it that I can't eat it because it's not worth it.

2:35Ian Wright: Yeah.

2:36Gary Neville: So a croissant is probably, I don't know.

2:37Ian Wright: Yeah, it's too many.

2:39Gary Neville: But I think... No, I'm going to have a croissant. No.

2:41Ian Wright: I'm not having them.

2:42Gary Neville: No, but what I'm saying is I won't waste my calories on a croissant. How many in them? What would you waste your calories on? That is a good question. A massive dairy milk. I had that last night. How many calories is that? That's a lot. What? Is it? Let's find out.

2:55Ian Wright: Yeah.

2:56Gary Neville: Find out what a croissant is as well. What's a croissant? Let's find out how many calories in a croissant.

3:00Ian Wright: Because, um... How many calories are you on today? What are you on now then? How's that work?

3:03Gary Neville: No, I'm not counting calories. I just read it. No, I'm counting calories. I'd start. How many calories a day?

3:10Ian Wright: 1 ,500's good, isn't it? 1 ,000? 1 ,000's clearly hard. In a croissant. I'll have one of them. I'm going to...

3:16Gary Neville: How many calories in a croissant? Did you overeat on holiday? No, no. 350? Yep. 300, 350. How many in a large dairy milk? Oh, my God. The 100ml bar, 580. The sharing bar, the big one, 960. That's not worth having.

3:32Ian Wright: No, because that don't fill you up properly.

3:35Gary Neville: You've just got to stay on protein.

3:36Ian Wright: It's just a waste. You've just got to eat protein. Bro, I can't take how brown you are. Am I brown? You are, actually. I thought I'd caught this one. Let's have a look. He looks like Donald Trump.

3:51No, he's gone.

3:52Gary Neville: No, he's gone, Ian. I turned to put the game on Sunday thinking you were going to be there because it was United-Ipswich. I just thought it was going to be... I didn't know he was still away.

3:59Ian Wright: It's a perfect one for Roy Keane.

4:01Gary Neville: Yeah, because I never thought for one second he wasn't going to be there. He's disappointed. He's disappointed. I found out Saturday morning because they actually asked me to go in the studio, so I only thought, oh. It was a good game, actually. Oh. Well, it's United-Ipswich won. No. No, actually, to be fair, if you know something, Ipswich played... It was a good game for United. Ipswich played buddy well in the first half, United Club in the second half. It was a good game. It wasn't like a boring game. It was like lots happening in it. Gary, talk to me about that handball. I actually couldn't believe it.

4:29I'm like, how come the referee, when the handballer, they just don't give the handball there and then? I don't get it.

4:37Gary Neville: I know. With Harry. Yeah, like, I think see the handball and just give the foul. It is a strange one. It's a strange one. Do you know something? One of the things that actually I didn't say on commentary, to be fair, I saw it after. I thought, yeah, stupid. I missed that by me. Do you know the fact that... Because the reason that it continues is because you say it was accidental handball. Actually, if your arms are there and he's controlled it down with all... It's helped. So actually, that's the bit I thought. I actually knew the... I knew it was off target. I thought, OK, it might not be given.

5:08Gary Neville: They might end up with a goal against them. But I have to start looking at that. But I should have gone back to that Harry had his hands there. It helped him. And he helped him put it down. It'd become too complicated about this and that with his handball, wasn't it? It was handball. It was handball. Just get on with it. Bam, handball, finish. I missed the simple thing in it, which was just it was handball, rather than thinking about, oh, did he score? Was it on target? That's what they're going to do now.

5:30Ian Wright: Make us question everything like that, where it's, no, it's simple. There is handball. Bam, finish. Free kick, get on with it.

5:36Gary Neville: It was like the penalty for, was it Saka on Monday night I was doing? And I thought, something doesn't feel right about it. It was outside the box anyway. Yeah, yeah. It's not a penalty, no. No, but he stopped, didn't he, in his path, and it, like, something wasn't right with that one. It must be so hard for you to see it. Like, do you get to see the replay quicker than us? No. See it at the same time as the people. The benefit we sometimes get is that while, say, let's say with Rob Paul Thorne and Peter Drury, we do have the VAR screen in front of us, so they're seeing... That's a result. They put loads of angles in straight away, so sometimes you get a bit of a heads up.

6:11Yeah.

6:12Gary Neville: But you're right, the hardest thing, you've got the small screens. Yeah. it's not always easy to spot is it on the smalls but that's right since that's the only benefit since VAR has come in so before VAR you just get the replay like obviously it's on Sky yeah but now you're getting like a little and I can tell when a commentator so if I'm listening I know and a commentator has already given his opinion before the replay is coming on the TV I'm thinking he's seen the VAR he's going I can look clever here you know what I mean before the neck of me you think oh can I he's probably seen him real time it's like the Saka one on Monday I think he might be outside the box here.

6:47Gary Neville: You've already seen a little bit of a click of it. But you always say, I can hear VAR. You're quite...

6:53Ian Wright: I'll always say what I'm hearing. That's what Gary will say. Oh, they're not giving that.

6:57Gary Neville: Yeah. They're not giving that. I just feel like we should, to be fair, I don't know, maybe some commentators don't like informing it straight away and they build up the suspense. I just think as soon as we hear that it's not going to be something, I think we have to just say it.

7:11Ian Wright: People are out of misery, man. Too clever, wouldn't it? Yeah, just say it as it is. And your gut instinct when you see something must be generally right, is it? And there's nothing wrong with going, I got that wrong. Right, I've had some bad ones wrong. Fuck yeah. Yeah, but it's better than waiting and waiting, though.

7:23Gary Neville: Yeah, but I've called some and I thought, oh. Yeah, but what percentage do you reckon you got really, truthfully, it still must be like five or 10 % truth. There's a brilliant clip, you'll remember it, there's a brilliant clip the other day, MUTV. Do you remember Rude's tackle on Ashley Cole? Yeah. The one who was a bad one. Paddy Crerand. Paddy Crerand, because Paddy was brilliant, money on MUTV in terms of his commentary. He was obviously a massive man in the eye. He's like you on Skype. He's not even touched him. He's not even touched him. He's nearly hit four times. And then basically, oh, he has touched him.

7:55Gary Neville: I think Steve Bauer comes in and goes, I think he has touched him. Yeah, you're right, you're right. It's a terrible tackle, isn't it? It's brilliant. The commentary is brilliant, that commentary. I don't think people at all mind, though. You give your opinion and then you go, I was wrong about that. Oh, absolutely. You're only a human. I think it's okay to be wrong. Some people. Yeah, sometimes you think it's a bad tackle and you look at it back and it's not and then there's sometimes the other way where you think, oh, I'm not sure there's anything in there. Of course, yeah.

8:19Ian Wright: Yeah, but surely there's nothing wrong with just it. Yeah. Oh, you do? Sorry, I got that wrong. Sometimes you do have something in your head about a player. Or like say someone goes down a lot. So I had one with Charles and it's an Everton-Liverpool game and he's never off the floor. He's unbelievable. And he goes down. I'm saying, oh, get up off the floor. He comes back to replay. He's had a bit of a whack at the elbow and you're like, oh, God.

8:37Gary Neville: Who's the one that said it? and then he'd broken his leg. It wasn't me. It was on a few years ago where I commentated, oh, he's died. I think he broke his leg. I can't remember which one it was. It was. Find out. The way some players go down, though, I'm like, they literally get the slightest nudge like that and they're rolling around. Please have a word with your mate at centre-back. Are you on about? Gabriel? Yeah. What's he doing? Oh, I love him, mate. What's he done, gal?

9:03Ian Wright: What's he done, James?

9:05Gary Neville: Absolutely, like, nothing. Oh, I love him, mate. Do you love that? Yeah. I just think he's... No, no, he's going down. He's got the shit... There's a scream on Monday night. I don't know if you're here at home. I was like, was that a scream? And it's like, he's a brilliant player. He scores goals. He's a leader. Get off the floor. I think, to be fair... He's just going down, diving. He's got shit-housery off to an absolute art, hasn't he? Off. I know, but it's too much for a centre-back. But we always have a go at players, Cara. On this programme as well, they haven't got a personality. They haven't got a character.

9:33Gary Neville: They haven't got anything about... He has got massive... Exactly. Oh, he has, Roy. he has I know he has good traits but he's got some bad ones but look I think there's a bit of shit-ousery with him where he goes down why are you giving that a thumbs up it's all the time it's like three again four times a game but he engages things he gets fouls he's a bit of a we can't have a go at him because he has a massive personality but no they're two separate things what you're talking about I'm saying I really like I love winning set pieces he's there every game doesn't seem to be injured he might be head to head with Ireland having a foul he's fighting for his club I get that He doesn't need to do the other bit.

10:08What's the other bit, though? No one goes near him. He's jumping on the floor, screaming. And you're like, what are you doing? The centre-back.

10:15Ian Wright: Tony Adams. Yeah, but that's a different time. I'm not excusing it. We're talking about this. You don't need to do it. They do it. All of them do it. All of them do it. Everybody. Who doesn't really do it? Accentuate the foul.

10:28Gary Neville: I don't think Van Dijk does it. If you're talking about top centre-backs, I don't see Van Dijk...

10:33Ian Wright: Yeah, but he never gets himself in a position where he... No, but...

10:35Gary Neville: You know what I mean? I don't see Van Dijk do it. I don't think having Maguire goes down easily. No, Kasanov, I don't see.

10:42Ian Wright: Yeah, but there's certain players

10:43Gary Neville: you can say, well, you must have taken a level of him. Look, he's a Brazilian, so you think about David Luiz, Gabriel, those players who play for Brazil. Sometimes the Uruguayan play South Americans. They are different. They do think different. You know, Lissandro Martez and Romero, I made a statement in the World Cup about them two. I've got a lot of admiration for them.

10:57Ian Wright: Best worst, was it?

10:58Gary Neville: The best worst centre-backs I've seen, because at times for Argentina, they're like giants for Argentina, those two. They outperform their level of skill and talent just because of their fight, their passion. But then you see them make some mistakes and you think, what's going on? They're all over them.

11:14Ian Wright: You riled them up, girl. You did it.

11:16Gary Neville: No, I don't think I riled them up. It's the final.

11:20Ian Wright: They weren't happy with it. They couldn't wait to come out and do the piece saying, yeah, it's because Gary Neville said that that made us more.

11:27Gary Neville: But I went back. They conceded 60-odd goals for Romero last season for Tottenham. I know he didn't play all the time. but your eyes don't deceive you about a player but it sounds crazy I wouldn't mind him in my team if he was actually I'm surprised Chelsea didn't sign him I'm surprised Chelsea didn't sign him now they might not want to sell him to Chelsea but I thought Chelsea might be perfect for him aggressive centre half in a three yeah just surprised he didn't sign him

11:55Ian Wright: a hated player a hated player

11:59Gary Neville: right

12:04Gary Neville: This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney+. We've got a little Disney quiz to start with. Uh-oh. And there's a football thing being brought into it, right? That's gross. So we need to name the years of the film, but also we need to name who won the Premier League that year, who was the Premier League top goal scorer that year, and who won the Ballon d 'Or? Oh, I'm going to feel terrible at this. You're jet-lagged. You've got an excuse. Jill's jet-lagged. Jill, you jet-lagged? No, I... Right, Chicken Little. When was Chicken Little out? I remember watching that with the kids.

12:36Gary Neville: Chicken Little? That early 2000s. Yeah. Not far away, Cara. Mid-2000s. Chicha.

12:43Ian Wright: Go on. I was going to say about 2000. Was Ricky Gervais in Chicken Little? 98. 2004. I'd go 2000. Near. 2003 then? No. Six.

12:55Gary Neville: No. 98. 97. Three. You're all round it. 99. Oh, five. 99. 2005, Chicken Little. Right, who won the Premier League? 2005. Chelsea. Chelsea, yeah. Who was the Premier League top goal scorer that season? Thierry Omri. Rui Van Asteroy. Thierry Omri. Thierry. And who won the Ballon d 'Or? Ronaldinho. That's unbelievable.

13:15Ian Wright: You're amazing, James. You are mad at stuff like that. That is unbelievable, that. He's just so boring, really. What's that movie? Is it real? He's such a boring... He's so boring, dude. The Lion King.

13:25Gary Neville: The Lion King. The Lion King. When was it out? How do you remember that? The Lion King. Oh, God. 96? No. It was a good year for you, Roy. Good year for me? 92. 98? No. Well, 92 might have been a good year for me. I was sitting 92. What was your best year? It was really bad at 92. 94? 2000. 94. 94. OK. Why was it a good year for Roy? He joined United and won the double. So Man United won the league. World Cup. World Cup, 94. World Cup. World Cup, 94. Oh. It was a good year. Top goals. Yeah, Man United won the league. Who was the top goal scorer in the Premier League in that season? In 94? Andy Cole.

14:04Wow. I'm not just joking. I was going to say Andy Cole. I don't think you'll get Ballon d 'Or win.

14:11Gary Neville: Easily. He's a great player. Stoichkov.

14:22Unbelievable. Has he seen his answers? Has he been looking at it? Has he been looking at it? He can hear you. Have you got an earpiece in? What's that? Have you got an earpiece in? Yeah. He can hear you. Jamie, have you got an earpiece? They're not telling me. That is ridiculous. I just knew Barcelona was 90. No, right. They're not telling me. Well, they're hammered. Barcelona got the Europe. Was that 94? Yeah. I think Barcelona get to the Champions League final against AC Milan. Is that 94 when? Is that when Barcelona hammered it when I was at United? Yeah. AC Milan beat.

14:49Gary Neville: Right, it's that year that wrist stuff. Sorry. Yeah, sorry. He was obviously brilliant in that team. And he played, obviously, the World Cup, wasn't it? Yeah. Right. Aladdin

14:55Ian Wright: oh god what the very the original one Aladdin what one the one with Will Smith or the original the original ok 97

15:05Gary Neville: no 1 way back isn't it 91 it was a good year for me it was a good year for you girl well yeah football 99 no oh what was he when he made his debut when he made his debut he was a back as far as yeah 92 92 who won the league Leeds yeah who was the Who's the top goal scorer? Teddy Sheringham. Teddy. No.

15:28Ian Wright: No? Michael Owen.

15:31Gary Neville: No. 92?

15:33Ian Wright: 92. Of course, Michael Owen would have been 12, wouldn't it? 92.

15:36Gary Neville: Ian Knight. Yeah. Yes, matey. I can't believe I forgot that. You were being humble. Ian. And who was the Ballon d 'Or when you were in 92? Wow. Wow. So it was a good year for you as well? So you had the Euros. Who won the Euros in 92? Denmark. That was Denmark, wasn't it? Who was it? Van Basten. Yeah. Jamie, that is incredible. Van Basten won it three times. Do you want one more? Yeah, Jamie. Do you want one more? Just for Jamie. I've got two more here. I can do two more. Thank you, sorry. That's unbelievable, that character. Were you good at school? What do you think I was like at school? Is this your memory?

16:15Gary Neville: This is a sign that he wasn't good at school.

16:18Ian Wright: No, but could you remember everything? Jamie, do you like just taking in knowledge like that? It just sticks in my head. I don't know. I'll tell you what, what I was listening to, and this probably helps me. I was listening, what's the podcast at the... History. Yeah. No, football history. Football one, with Robin... It Was What It Was. It Was What It Was. I've been listening to the Cruyff stuff this morning, all right, on the way, yeah. So if there's a Cruyff question, throw that in.

16:44Gary Neville: Right. A Bug's Life. Oh, yeah. OK. And this is the hardest one, I think, on a couple of them. A Bug's Life was in... I'm going to say... A good year for Arsenal. 98. 98. Who was the... So, Premier League Arsenal. Who's the top scorers that season?

17:02Ian Wright: Owen.

17:02Gary Neville: Michael Owen.

17:03Ian Wright: Michael Owen. Dion Dublin. Dion Dublin.

17:05Gary Neville: Dion Dublin. I know the other one. Chris Sutton. Yeah. Yeah. You can't get in. And who's the Ballon d 'Or winner? In 98. In 98? Ronaldo. No. What, Brazil? Yeah, Brazil, Ronaldo. He won's at 97. No, it wasn't him. Who's at 98? What year did Mike Allon win it? Zidane. Zidane the World Cup? Yeah, Zidane. Fuck. Right, and the last one. Frozen. It's a bit later. 2000 and... How old was the girls? Two. No, it's not later. 10? No. 15? 14? 13? 13. OK. Who in the Premier League? 2013. I'm terrible after the 2000 and thing, is she? I remember. 13. It's because you've been listening to... No, Leicester's 15, innit?

17:58Gary Neville: 13, Man United! You said you remembered, obviously. Man United! Cool, Man United. Man United. Who was the top scorer that season? Van Persie. Yeah, and who was the Ballon d 'Or winner? Messi, Ronaldo. Ronaldo. You should only have one guess, though.

18:17Gary Neville: Actually, I've got another one here, but it's nothing to do with the film. Erling Haaland scored 24 league goals in August since arriving at City. Who has scored the most goals in August in the entire Premier League era? And I've got five, ten, the top ten names. Can you name... What's scored the most in August?

18:33Ian Wright: Can you in August?

18:34Gary Neville: In August, the top ten scorers... Cher, Kane. There's only one higher than Er Haaland. Cher, Kane. Cher is one. Kane's not. Kane always... Me, you still have to have a slow start. He scored in August, could he? Do you remember? Yeah, he had like a slow start, didn't he? Michael Owen. Robbie Fowler. No. York, Cole. Cole's top, 25. Andy Cole, 25. Scoring in August. Andy Cole, 25. Erling Haaland, 24. And you've got Alan Shearer, 18. Frank Lampard. Yeah, 19. Gerrard. No. Dwight York. No. Chris Sutton. No. Robbie Keane. Aguero. Aguero. Defoe. No. Drogba. No. No, Drogba. It's mad, this one. Jesus. They're all big names, all massive.

19:26Gary Neville: No, Thierry. No, Thierry. Thierry, 17. No. Giggsie? Van Persie? No. Scorsese? Rude. No. No. Did you say Ronaldo? There's people who've been here a long time, hasn't there? Yeah, did you say Ronaldo? Ronaldo? No. No, they'll have to be here a long time. There's one, you've got one, two, three, four left.

19:47Ian Wright: Not Michael Owen?

19:48Gary Neville: No. No. Varduca?

19:49Ian Wright: No. Wow. Kevin Phillips? No. Why don't I throw his name? Salah? No.

20:00Suarez?

20:01Gary Neville: No, he wasn't here long enough. They're all English. Defoe? No. Emileski? Yeah, 17. Bottom of the list, that was a difficult one to get. It wasn't, was it? Peter Crouch. Peter Crouch. Crouchy involved? No. Oh, no, Crouchy. No, these are three England internationals played a lot of games. Rashid. No. Do you want me to give them to you? Yeah, go on. Do you want me to give them to you? Yeah, go on. Rooney. Oh, my God. How did we not get Rooney? That's embarrassing, guys. Les Ferdinand. Sorry, Prince. Raheem Sterling. Wow. Sterling was the hard one. I don't think I'd have got you. How would he get Rooney?

20:43Gary Neville: I thought Hester would have been the hard one. No, not from me. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney+. Gary, do you know what I've been watching this week? I do know what you've been watching this week because you told me earlier on. Chad Powers season two. Talk to me about it. Chad Powers, it's about a former kind of progity quarterback. Real life or not? No, not real life, but basically like a Tom Brady style person called Russ Holiday. He has an incident that sees him dropped by his team. I won't spoil it, it's very funny. but he then has to rebuild his career by going back to college but in a disguise so it's a bit like Mrs Doubtfire but for sports people and it's very very funny and season 2 is coming out now well my NFL knowledge is not unbelievable however I do know that if you're a quarterback it's all on you isn't it there's a lot of eyes on you it's like goalkeeper I say quite often goalkeeper is an unforgiving position and if you make a mistake there is no one that doesn't notice it.

21:46Gary Neville: Have you ever come across someone who was a different personality when they walked into a dressing room? I've seen a switch of personality from people who were in a dressing room to going on a pitch. I think Paul Scholes. Quiet, corner of a dressing room, you wouldn't think he would say boo to a goose, as in sort of like, you know, just sort of quite unassuming, but then you see him on a football pitch. Tenacity, ferocious, aggressive would actually, to be fair, snap at you at times if you didn't get the ball into him in the right areas or pass it to his right side. Really? I've seen transformations of players from off the pitch to on the pitch.

22:18Gary Neville: In which case, you'll enjoy seeing that transformation from home to the change in Chad Powers too. Oh, he changes. He has a different face, Gary. Well, after my last few games for United when I kept getting nearly sent off and red carded, I think it would have been good if I could have basically gone in disguise for the next couple of years to rebuild my career. Did you see me at West Brom? Yeah. Wasn't good, was it? No, I thought you were... Yeah, you in disguise. And you'll see more of that in Chad Powers Season 2, a Hulu original exclusively on Disney+. I'm going to watch that one. It's really good.

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25:04Gary Neville: Right, transfer windows. Enzo Fernandes, let's start with that. 125 million. Big one. Can I say from Chelsea's point, that's an amazing business they've done there.

25:16Ian Wright: You haven't brought anyone in after racing? No, but they haven't brought anyone in. But what I'm saying is to get the money what they've got for him, when we're talking about 100 and odd million, he's gone to Manchester City. we're not talking about Declan numbers in the way he's played for them to get their money back and then go to to City it's great business from their point of view but I I think that that's that's unbelievable I can't understand why City why City won him so badly I don't know what it is I can't see it's a good sign that's a lot of money it's a lot of money he'll score some big goals has he done enough for you to say no no no you could say that put lots of players for the fees involved but I think it'd be good signing he knows the manager he's a hell of a player he can produce moments can't he I think it was one of those deals where I could I could see the positives from everyone, but I think I agree with you.

25:55When you pay£120 million, how long has he been there? Four years? Is it that long?

26:00Ian Wright: Was it the last four years? Whatever it is, you think, how are they ever going to get that money back? That's exactly right. This season, they've got it back. But then I look at City and go, he's going to be a good player for City. I can see him being there. It makes me now feel, I know probably some of us have talked up Chelsea, it makes me feel now it's only City who can really challenge Arsenal. It's a big move for City. Yeah, it feels like he's not a replacement for Rodri but it's some of it a stature in midfield the three of them could be Boadi him and Anderson like I say Chelsea's done brilliantly getting that money back for him did we say last time on City had the worst midfield they could feel two top class midfields now couldn't they really if you think about it

26:42Gary Neville: yeah I mean he is better than the other midfield players that have moved this summer though isn't he in terms of I was looking at this morning would you is he better And Elliot Anderson, I think probably is. He's a different player, though, isn't he? He's a rival's into the box. He's more proven, though, I think. He's better than Fernandes and Tenali and Gimaraes, I think. So you think about it as a point of view of quality, they have signed a top midfield player there, haven't they? Yeah. Well, there's no doubt about that. You know, United's Telemans, Belieber, Santos, if you look at that, he's the best one out of the lot that have travelled.

27:14Gary Neville: Does that give City a chance to win in the league?

27:16Ian Wright: Yeah. Puts them up there, definitely. But who's your starting midfield for City? It's so hard to call, isn't it, now? I think that lad he brought in, he's still young, isn't he? Yeah, he'll need time, won't he? You think it'd be Anderson and Fernandes, would you? The manager come out and said he will need time, which I did like that he said that. He's been playing, obviously, in the French League, hasn't he? I think they get a lot more time on the ball. And he's only, what, 18? So he is going to need time. Right back as well, City. But Nunes, he quite likes him, doesn't he? He's not bad, he's quite physical, he gets forward.

27:48Ian Wright: As long as they've got Harlan up front as well, So don't solidify that course to see who's going to be amongst their guys. I think City have just got to try and stay as close as they can to Arsenal. And I just think Arsenal, at the end of the season, if it's Champions League or League, I know you'll pick one over the other. I'm just thinking, if you get to that stage where you're playing Wednesday night away in Europe, you've got a game Saturday, you're playing your best team on the Wednesday. You're trying for the Champions League. Someone's not 100 % fit, you think, I might ease them for that one.

28:14That might be the only way Arsenal don't win the league, I think.

28:19Gary Neville: Will Arsenal regret not signing their striker, Ian? You know what?

28:23Ian Wright: For me, we've still got a team that's good enough to win it.

28:26Gary Neville: Will they regret in terms of the overall winning the Champions League? You know what?

28:29Ian Wright: The disappointing thing, because it's not a disastrous window, but if I'm Mikel, I wouldn't be happy about the way this window's gone simply because we've got another window where we've not got that forward. We're talking about a manager who, even after Bayern Munich when we lost in the semi-final Champions League, talking about the player we need to take us to that level. We've done it again in Paris. We didn't have the player to break him so as we could score. That's the player that Mikel wanted. Now, when you consider that, you know, they chased Vinny to the end of the earth, you know, and left Morgan, Morgan Rodgers kind of dangling because, like, they would, you know, I think that the manager should be.

29:07Gary Neville: You didn't really need Morgan Rodgers, though, did you? Yeah, but I think that we did. Do you think he did? I think that that's the player that he wanted. You've got those types, haven't you?

29:12Ian Wright: Yeah, but you say you've got those types, but that's what he wanted. And it's, you know, again, And it's a position where we need that player. Of course, Saka's back and Havertz is back and Erdogan's back and they're playing together. And they will bring something. But he wanted that difference-maker gal. And that's what I'm saying.

29:27Gary Neville: I look at Rodgers, though. I think he would disturb Eze, Saka, Madweki. Even Gimeraj, you can play forward a little bit in the midfield three. Erdogan. Rodgers is not centre-forward, is he?

29:38Ian Wright: He's on the left side.

29:39Gary Neville: Left.

29:39Ian Wright: He's going to put it on the left side. The best evasion of Eze. You know what? He's the one that we was linked with ages ago. I know that he would have loved to have come. I could feel it. And I think that something's happened at Arsenal in the way that they were going for Vinny. If you're a player, Roy, and you're seeing, oh, they're going for Vinny, and you're thinking, well, I thought they were interesting. What's going on? And then all of a sudden...

30:03Gary Neville: I don't think Arsenal have missed out on Morgan Rodgers. I think Chelsea have got a good player. I don't feel like Arsenal should have gone for Morgan Rodgers. I was very happy.

30:11Ian Wright: Yeah, but the thing is, it would have suited us. I think it's the player that the manager wanted He kills Eze completely doesn't he?

30:18Gary Neville: If you've got Solis and Eze I don't know Yeah but remember He's a squad player

30:22Ian Wright: This was something that was done They wanted him ages ago And the fact that they've dilly-dallied around Chelsea's just gone If you're not going to pay it then we'll pay it And then he's gone and why should he wait? You know what I mean? I've got it I would love him to have come I think there's not much difference With a lot of the top teams With the attacking players Everyone wants another brilliant world-class striker but if it's 120, 130 million you can't get everything you want as a manager so Arteta will have to suck that up whatever but I still go back to I know there's only two games gone and you look at the way teams have started even United the first weekend giving up a couple of goals giving two up against Ipswich scoring five I think goals far for a lot of the top four or five teams there won't be much in it the key for Arsenal will always be no goals City have conceded one or two Liverpool obviously four Chelsea United four goals against they've got two clean sheets That's the foundation of all their success.

31:11So I think goals far, I think there won't be much in between all these teams. But the defensive side for Arsenal is their foundation of their success. And I think that won't change.

31:21Ian Wright: That's why I think he wanted that player. Everybody wants more. Everybody wants more players. Yeah, but this is what Gary's asking about. The player they want. And that's what we need. I think that's the only thing with the Arsenal fan base is we've missed out. I bet you if you ask United, every manager wants, Liverpool would have wanted another maybe couple of full-backs. United need some defenders. Unfortunately, you can't get everything you want. I always think when, certainly in England, we always say the best players in the world probably play for Real Madrid and Barcelona. I think it's only probably those two clubs who actually buy genuine world-class players.

31:51They go to other big clubs and go, we're taking your best player. Whereas, I think in my own club, even Arsenal, when you're actually going to buy someone who is actually world-class, you actually buy someone and make them world-class. Do you understand what I mean? Real Madrid were the only club who'd go to Man United and just go, where happened Ronaldo? they'd come to Liverpool and go we're having him whereas Liverpool you'll buy Ronaldo he's not world class but you think he can get there Salah he becomes world class Mane does do you understand what I mean so when you're going for Nisius Junior that is genuinely buying a world class did anyone feel that was going to happen no but my point being I think in this country it very rarely happens that we go and just go buy one of the best players in the world and put him in one of our top clubs I think what is normally the way in England is you buy someone who's then got that potential to go and be like we're going to make him work but Thierry Henry do you know what I mean he'd be like but what player are you

32:44Ian Wright: but Gary just quickly on Vanessa I think that Arsenal really pursued that to the point I'm not saying they didn't but they did whether they believe that they could have got him or not in the end the fact that they were going for him was great to see and I think it got all the Arsenal fans quite excited that never felt right but again I think that maybe he was dragging Arsenal along to get what he wanted because he did in the end but at the same time I do believe that we should have focused on Morgan Rodgers because like you're saying

33:10Gary Neville: it felt

33:10Ian Wright: and it was disappointing that was disappointing and Morgan Rodgers is disappointing and like I say I'm happy with Gamaris very happy with him very happy with Konza Zolos I think he'd probably realise against Villarant this is going to be a bit trickier but I still believe we've got a team that are capable of winning it but it's just a bit disappointing we didn't get that player again what the manager's spoken about

33:32Gary Neville: I don't think that player is Morgan Rodgers as much as I like him I don't think he's that player right for 120 million I wouldn't have signed if I was Arsenal I genuinely wouldn't if you said to me would you assign it for 80 would you sign it because I'm thinking

33:43Ian Wright: same thing with Declan what happened with Declan is they got in with Declan no Declan's different no no but the way the deal was constructed that's gold you know what I mean we're talking about two different like technical directors to try and speak to a player because Declan was told it was spoken you're coming and then Declan says I'm going to Arsenal

34:02Gary Neville: you can't compare Declan

34:02Ian Wright: no no no I'm just comparing the situation Gary

34:05Gary Neville: I compare Declan with Alvarez. That's like a goal. No, no, I'm talking about the way the deal was constructed

34:09Ian Wright: where you get in touch with a Declan and say, listen, we want you, we're going to get you. And the Declan will say, well, if I'm moving, I want to go to Arsenal. That's what I'm saying. Could we have done that with more?

34:19Gary Neville: I wouldn't have signed Morgan Rodgers. And I say this with, I really like him a lot. I wouldn't have signed him for United for 120 million because I would have said you've got Cunha, you've got Rashford. I don't think he's a massive upgrade on them. Don't waste that money on them. Similarly with Eze and Solis. I mean Morgan Rodgers is better than those two but I don't see a massive upgrade for£120 million there I generally wouldn't That's what the price

34:39Ian Wright: went to with Chelsea that's what Chelsea went and paid I don't think we would have paid that if we'd done it properly I don't think we'd have had to pay that much because Arsenal fans of course they'll say we'll pay that much for him and they're happy to see him go now because it's too much money

34:50Gary Neville: Liverpool with Gakpo and with Virts they wouldn't sign him either for that I don't think Arsenal needed that player they needed they needed they needed Jokeres Jokeres and Havertz who are, one's a battering ram and one's a very sort of graceful centre forward. You needed a quick, sprightly, you know, brilliant centre forward. I think that's the only profile you needed. I don't think you need, I don't know, maybe I'm, is this for the Champions League or you're thinking for the league?

35:17Ian Wright: Just for the league again. Just for the league and the league. Yeah, but,

35:20Gary Neville: against Villa, I was at the game, honestly, it was one of the best defensive displays you'll see. Villa played well in the game. But really, with 20 minutes to go, Arsenal, if they've had that, Alvarez, I'd like to have thought they would have counter-attacked and scored a second and got the game when Villa was starting to over-connect

35:35Ian Wright: that's the forward I'm trying to get whether you think it's Morgan or not

35:39Gary Neville: I don't think it's Morgan Rogers

35:40Ian Wright: I wouldn't have been disappointed if he came I would have think that he could go to that next level fingers crossed so what happened with Alvarez then? well Alvarez don't want to come by the looks of it he wants to go to Barcelona but he's in a position now where he doesn't want to play for them you know what I mean they must have known that for day one that he didn't want to go to so why chase that deal? if he makes it clear I don't want to go there I think it's clear now that he's definitely because he's always wanted to go there so now you have to probably step away I guarantee they've wasted a lot of time and energy on that deal I think they've wasted a lot of time and obviously the director of football took him I think who's at Arsenal I think took him to Atletico from City so you think he'd have an idea about the deal going because you do waste time and energy on a deal where you go he doesn't really want to go there he would have been a great addition though I think City with Harland wasn't he getting like 14 goals a season even though everyone was focusing on Harland If he's going to Arsenal, of course.

36:30That's the X factor.

36:31Gary Neville: If he's won 30, 140, I'd say spend that extra 20 million going and get him an extra 30 million. Because he's almost like guaranteed. I think we're talking here about the Champions League a little bit. I still think Arsenal are definitely the team to beat in the league. Defensively so strong. Won't have that psychological impact he had towards the end of last season where you're nervous about the league and stuff like that. That won't be there this season. But you do look at you thinking the next step is to win the Champions League. and you look at some of the players, other star players in other teams at the top end of the pitch and it is a different level.

37:03Yeah, but they're nearly there. No, no, they're... Yeah, it's near there. But getting these X-factor players obviously is hard.

37:08Gary Neville: It's going to be difficult. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney+. Last question on Arsenal. Which player has moved in this window that's not Alvarez because obviously he's not moved, he's stayed. Which player has moved in this window that you think, well, Arsenal maybe could have got that would have fit that profile. Is there anybody that's moved in? What about from Everton, NJ, who, is that how you pronounce it? Yeah, but if we're talking about... You know what I would say? Sorry, Jill. I was, I'm happy it didn't happen. I was looking at the Barcola thing. Barcola, that's incredible.

37:43And I was looking at him thinking, for me, Arsenal need, like, left wing has always felt, out of their attack, the four attackers, left wing has always felt to me like a little bit of a drop compared to like Saka, Odegaard, Havertz. And the new kids you got there made a decent start. But the longer the back hole thing went on and then Arsenal didn't get Vinicius Junior or Alvarez, you was thinking, is that not the one where you just think... Never even got mentioned though, did it? No, that's what I'm saying. That was one where I was thinking. But that's the kind of player

38:14Ian Wright: that Arsenal need to sign. It's that level. Because he's coming now from a Paris Saint-Germain side that's brilliant. Brilliant midfielders and he's playing with players where he's on that same level but he's going into a Liverpool side now where he's that superstar. He's going to bring them up. He's going to be the one Barcala to bring them up there and that's what we needed. Now, whether you think Morgan Rodgers can do that or not, I would have been happy with that but again, Barcala, he was available. He'll need to play well. You look at people who have been available like a Semenyo, look at Diamande.

38:42Ian Wright: You know, those kind of players. The players are out there but Arsenal seem to go so hard. But when you bring an attacking player, will he make a huge difference to Liverpool? I think Liverpool need a lot more than that. the dynamics again you look at the midfield let's go into that

38:55Gary Neville: I wouldn't know where to start and finish with Liverpool well let's start with the fullbacks and with the central midfield position because I mean they're the two areas I'm stunned me a lot because of the two fullbacks it was quite clear at the start of last season when you watched them five or six matches that defensively they weren't going to be quite sort of the level to be able to do it I'm stunned will they I mean will Arsenal regret getting a four will Liverpool regret not bringing in a couple of fullbacks I look at the two full-backs I'm on about the basics I'm on about heading the football Or they're trying to win balls You can't win The full-backs you mean Yeah, full-backs Kicking the ball They don't even have a feel For the ball Where they just can Dink it in behind Or play one-twos Listen, when you look back We used to give Trent A lot of stick defensively But at least he could pass it And ping it And switch play Their understanding of the game Is really, really poor Like, as you say You're watching the game You're thinking Why has he done that?

39:47And I described hyped Kirkes last season and it was his first season and maybe it felt a bit harsh at the time is the Darwin Nunes as a full-backs. But it's like it's just head down and run and it's just like whoa everything Kirkes does is a hundred mile an hour. And I was thinking you know when you're on a football pitch right you very rarely are running as fast as you can. You're not it's like you know when you're getting chased that's running as fast as you can. But you're not running that fast on a pitch because you know you're going to have to stop you're going to have to change that direction you're going to have to slop a ball you might wait but he does everything 100 mile an hour every time he closes someone down every time he passes it it's just like bang

40:27Gary Neville: Roy Carroll what are they seeing in Liverpool's recruitment because I've been so strong on him what are they seeing that basically we are not seeing about the fact that they needed two full backs they've brought in Kierkegaard for 40 million quid he's had a first season wasn't amazing I think it is probably right where you go okay Iriola's coming from Bournemouth he knows him you still are left back I'm not going to sell him no I know but what I'm saying is Andy Robertson moved on and they had a left back on loan so they're probably not going to think we're going to spend £40 million on another left back he's our left back let him have another year the right back situation is a mess so what Liverpool did when Trent left and I agreed with it was they didn't go and buy someone for like we're replacing Trent Conor Bradley's done well enough when he's and I think sometimes you've got to go you know what the lad's done well enough let him give him his head and they brought Frimpong in as not direct competition almost he can do a bit of right back and a bit of right wing so it's he can get his minutes there Conor Bradley got a chance got a bad injury didn't do particularly well last season to be honest now my problem with it is Conor Bradley good young player has done really well but if someone gets a bad injury he's not that good that you don't replace him now you'd wait for Trent to come back and you'd wait for Andy Robertson to come back unfortunately I don't think you should be waiting for Conor Bradley to come back do you understand what I mean?

41:42you're going by a right back because Frimponk isn't one and then when Conor Bradley comes back he's got a bad injury he's then going to fight for his place and I think that's fair this thing of like we're waiting for Conor Bradley to come back I'm a bit like no Liverpool one of the biggest clubs in the world you can't wait for Conor Bradley you know we want to get him back and good luck to him but you can't they've made a massive mistake Can I ask a question just because when I was watching the game and I think there's a few Premier League teams have started just so open to a counter and say when Frimpong goes do you think you have the midfield who are like just covering because with Trent I used to think a lot of the time he had the freedom just to go didn't he but Jordan Henderson would always fill and cover and do you think you have that midfield that there's somebody who's like reading the game because I totally agree with you sometimes I'm watching and I'm like the understanding from these players I was watching Man United I think and Burmo goes in to try and create something he's on the right he runs all the way across to the left and as a midfielder that's fine he's obviously going to create I'm thinking you've got to have in your mind right you would think he's vacated that space I think the ball gets switched out from Ipswich and then they're going to attack and it does lead to the goal.

42:50But I think there's so many midfielders who are thinking about attacking and not thinking, when we're attacking, what about if we do... We're not a great example of that. We're looking at, we're praising Arsenal. We spoke 20 minutes where Arsenal's attacking. You look at Arsenal when they lose that ball. What is little details? You took it, no, everyone tucks in for each other. You attack as a team, you defend as a team. Liverpool certainly aren't doing that, giving up four goals already in two games. They're not good signs. Is that all necessarily because of the full-back? To be fair, probably not.

43:15but the whole team itself seemed all over the shop. Yeah. So you go back, Arsenal and the Bexas, everyone knows all of a sudden praise and Arsenal players again, running back. But that's what you're supposed to be doing as a team. But City did well as well, I think. If you've got these two full-backs come to your club, and sometimes you can benefit out, might be a year to settle in, but then you look after a few months ago, it doesn't matter how these lads aren't good enough for Liverpool. But you do need a helping hand, and they're not getting any helping hand from their midfielders or people in front of them, or people behind them, or your goalkeeper.

43:42This is why you... A great example, Arsenal take your head off to Arsenal at the moment whatever's going on with them they've won the league brilliant going forward but you watch them running back and no team I don't think seems to run back as quickly or as determined as Arsenal it's going to be interesting to see the most of the game we get back together we go forward together I am a little bit woody with Liverpool I know I've said on this show what I think they'll finish but I'm looking at it it's only two games but I'm thinking there's a lot in there I don't like and it's that thing of it's probably the most offensive team I've probably seen there's only the two centre-backs everybody else is thinking about going forward I'm just thinking how's the manager going to work this what's he going to do but going back to the full backs every team normally the spare man's the full back so if you're playing in the midfield there's always congestion if you want to get out give it to the full back the full back always seems the one who can have a bit of you know Liverpool's two full backs really struggle in terms of passing the runners they're not actually great with the ball so when they've got the ball at their feet you're like what's next could they go to

44:38Gary Neville: three at the back with the threes they could but the manager is never going to do that they would be two good wing-backs, wouldn't they, in terms of doing that bit and then the three centre-halves are Raul, Jacquet and Dike. It looks a classic three at the back to me to get it more old. I think he'll do that, Jane, because it's the best. Has he ever played that before? Because he's going to have

44:57Ian Wright: to do something. He's going to have to do something. I think he'll have to go to three personally. The big thing he's got, and it happened last season and it happened at the weekend, Sir Bosley went back to right-back. Now, I've never believed Sir Bosley's a central midfield player. you would know that role better than me, Roy. Now, he's signed a new contract and I can only imagine in those talks that they're desperate for him to stay is he's almost said, I want to play midfield because he's moved around a bit. And he started the season centre midfield. I don't see him as that. For me, in the midfield, he's a Jordan Henderson runner, energy with probably more of a goal threat, really.

45:35But Liverpool don't play that way and he's not really a classic number 10, really. his actual best role would possibly be at right back because he'd get a lot of the ball he can run he could almost play that Trent role for you from there but there's no way I think he's going to want to play there because he's probably just signed a contract for 350 years of the week and you're putting a midfield player to right back and you've just done this big thing he's the vice captain I just think that's a conversation Arreola's going to have to have going forward because the midfield's not right and he's part of that midfield not being right so whether he ends up going to right back and how they can dress it up to them, that it's not just being right back.

46:13You're actually going to run the game from there.

46:15Ian Wright: There seems to be a lot of pressure on Barclay coming into this team because it doesn't feel like you're coming into a team that is ready to go. So you go, right, boom, put him in, let's go. And that's probably the signing we need because I think if we get someone like that, you put him in and you say, right, go and do it because you've got the backup behind you as well. And when you listen to Liverpool there...

46:35Gary Neville: There's no right winger either. I'm not saying Liverpool shouldn't have signed, Barkley, but the£120 million, if you're looking at that team, I wouldn't be spending it on a forward. I wouldn't be spending that£120 million on a forward. Just like I wouldn't spend£120 million on a left winger for Arsenal, on Morgan Rodgers for Arsenal. I would have spent that on two defenders or a defensive midfield player in the left. Liverpool needed to replace Mo Salah. They haven't replaced them. The£120 million used to be on a player to replace Mo Salah, right wing. Liverpool don't actually have someone where you go, his position is right wing.

47:04Did you like Gakpo at right wing? I thought you put a good cross in. Do you prefer them on the left? Jamie, if you look at Liverpool, again, I look at the goals far and against. So they've scored four. So you might go, if it's going two goals a game, it's not bad going, but it's what they're giving up at the back. You can see there's 78 goals last season in Liverpool. And looking at it, no, it's going to be like, you conceded four, that's my point. So we're going to attack players, actually, United are the same going forward, things aren't too bad. But it's stuff at the back. That'll always pull you back.

47:36Will United regret not signing a defender, Roy? Yeah But what we've seen With United Is Man United In the first two games They go away You call And give a couple Of bad goals away But then they score five They can do that But again United Have conceded four goals That would be Arsenal no goals And that's the team You've got to be looking at You can compare yourself I think United going forward Midfield even Attackers I think is fine I think they'll compete But the back four And the goalkeeper Are a unit together I think individually They're probably not Great defenders But certainly as a unit To be given off Two goals a game it's not good when you look what Arsenal are doing when you look what Arsenal are doing you talk about the basics of defending I think even looking at like corners I think it was Palace v City and it was like a short corner and Palace only send one player out and I'm like that's what you learn when you're like 13, 14 years old then someone comes off Anderson to make up the two sets Anderson Anderson has all the time in the world and you're looking at the set up and I'm like you've got set piece coaches like how are you not knowing how to set up on a corner kick I'm going to explain with the Liverpool full-backs.

48:37Also, we're at this level is do you have to tell a footballer to slow down? He's got to be actually in control when he's got the ball, when to slow down, when to go fast, when to sprint, of course. But if you're getting dragged back to them little details all the time, it's very hard to take your club forward because that law always holds you back because this is part of the game. You're not about sending 2-0 to 1-0. They've got to be on top of all that. I'll put this with Arsenal on top of all that stuff at the moment. And they're the team

49:02Gary Neville: you've got to aim for. Arsenal, to be fair, I have to say that we take it for granted that they're going to defend that way now, but actually when we criticise the other teams at the top who can see in goals, United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal are amazing defensively. They're absolutely amazing. Keeper's amazing. They're brilliant. Everything they do is fantastic. It's a coaching manual, that, when you watch them in terms of how to put shape together, the compactness. We have to get close to it now. It would be hard to compete with that because obviously they're in great form at the moment, well set up, Hungary, won the league.

49:29Listen, all things are falling into place for them, but that's got to be the target for teams like Liverpool and go, I think Arsenal conceded 27 goals last year. They're hard to get to that level. But you go, let's try and get close to it. United conceded 50 or whatever. 50. It's hard to get, but try and get that down to 35 maybe.

49:45Gary Neville: Give yourself a bit of a chance. Was it sloppy with the eight nori one with two hours to go to get dragged into that type of situation? It's not a great look, is it? No, it's not. Let's try and get the left back. Well, when you know everyone's been talking about a left back centre-back all summer and then with two hours to go, you've had a nibble. Is that true? didn't City go to them I don't know but it still looks a bit it looks a bit like even if it's not you're desperate they're desperate and they are desperate but for a club like you now you shouldn't be getting too desperate with two hours to go but having said that some mad deals have happened previously before in the last minute and it's walked out well for clubs not just for United so I think that's the industry as well I wouldn't be too hard but the problem is when you get desperate at the end

50:25Ian Wright: let's but Kobe can we just say Kobe looks like he's started the season really well and that midfield But will Belieber, will he start? Belieber will have to come in.

50:35Gary Neville: Because you need some legs like that. Yeah, we do need more physicality. I think that if you see what NCISO did to United on Sunday, the space he got and the joy he had for an hour, and not just him actually, it's just generally the whole of the actual front line, apart from the boy up front, Emerson, who'd struggled a little bit, but the actual three behind, they all look really dangerous. United are going to need to solidify that midfield. Belieber, Tielemans and Cobb-Emane, who could end up playing in there some games. You can see them playing with the three in certain matches because I think a two might get...

51:05Gary Neville: Old Trafford just feels so big to cover it with you, didn't it, Roy, for years. The idea of that midfield too, you know, wide too. They need to come back in. Come back in, yeah. And if they don't... I thought against Hull, though, in possession, they were all coming into the ball, whereas I thought they were better at holding the positions the last game. But Hull, I felt like Bruno was coming into where Telemans was and they were just all... To be fed, Jill, Michael Carrick's record. Michael Carragher's record since he'd come in at Old Trafford has been unbelievable I think they've won 9 out of 10 games so they're home they're going to a lot of football matches their home record and going forward and you're on a bit open space at Old Trafford yeah of course it's going to happen that's why you need your back four to be solid but they're not I was thinking about that on Sunday I said it on Monday in a podcast I know they've maybe only got£130 million £140 million whatever they've spent £100 million sort of net but just for Michael if you're the manager just to get him two defenders proper defenders would make a massive difference you're talking full back zero no I'm talking about they definitely need a left back cover because if Luke Shaw got injured I just look at it I mean Jeffrey Boycott used to say imagine you've got two wickets down does that score still look the same imagine that Maguire and Shaw got injured for three months imagine worst case scenario planning be pessimistic for a minute you'd be worried to death you've got Yoro in heaven and you've got basically Masraou you'd have to go to left back or you've got Yoro it becomes very messy quite quickly with one or two injuries so it's messy with them playing no it is messy they've conceded four goals in two games that's not a good no it's not you're right you're defenders so after a game you get in just see you have scored five or you've had a bad stat this season defensively I'm sure the Arsenal team back in the day or Liverpool back in the day go Jamie you played a record clean sheet you must look at we won the game we gave up fucking two goals have defenders now got we're looking at games that desire to go proper clean sheet I don't mean going over I don't mean going over the top celebrating but defenders what's going to just a minute after is going hey lads we rock solid today if I was Martinez on Sunday I wouldn't have slept that night I said it was a bad one I wouldn't have slept that night no what I'm saying is you know when everyone comes in because you've still won and everyone's what was it 5-2 in the end I always remember the game very early in the season under Kenny he was the manager and we won the first two or three games and we come in and I made a mistake and we won 3-1 at home but we were like it was going to an international break but we were top of the league or second everyone's coming in high five and I was just boiling I was just like what that's natural James but what I'm saying is you're almost that angry about yourself because I know what's that going to do to my head for the next two weeks you've got no game and it's just there for like I can't fix that until I've got my next game and I've got to wait two weeks and everyone else is happy and I'm like do you think Irreola and Michael Carrick do you think just because of their their young managers at huge clubs and they're, to be fair, grateful to be there in the sense that there's just massive jobs for them.

54:03Gary Neville: If that was a Klopp or a... Would they be demanding, you've got to get me to... Is there a demand from a manager? I'm just thinking, as if it's Michael on Sunday or...

54:12Ian Wright: You think they haven't got the power to say to them, I want this.

54:14Gary Neville: But what about demands from the players themselves, the back four? I know, but these players have conceded 50 goals the last two seasons, haven't they? You know, like Martínez, Maguire, Shaw, Dallor. So what are you saying, that's the norm? My point is, though, if you're seeing that over the first two games of the season, you're probably expecting it anyway. We've all said it defensively. Do you not think there's a point whereby a more experienced manager, like Conte or Mourinho, would be like, you'd better get me two defenders. You've got Irreola going to Liverpool and saying, you'd better get me two full-backs now.

54:40Lubs are not having these managers anymore in terms of, that's why they're all called head coaches. This power has been taken away from managers now, and anyone who sort of steps out of line or says something. Ruben Ambron last season had a little pop. He wasn't doing well enough to justify it. Mureska didn't he in terms of Chelsea these people now at the top of these clubs I think this type of manager that we were talking about I mean Conte he's always having Marder isn't he and Mourinho the clubs that they're having David Moyes came up last week with said a few things didn't he so he's got a bit of pole rock a bit of good one it's whether I just think these sporting directors but in terms of getting attacking players on X-Fact does it seem easy to get a full back in does that seem an easy position to fill or are they one of the hardest positions I would have said

55:23Gary Neville: Roy, it would have been, I would have said you should be able to get two solid right and left backs. Truthfully, Nev. You'd always felt you could get up from your academy, didn't you? No, you should be. I'm not disrespecting the full backs because we know the importance of the role we just discussed. But have you got an example of where United could have got two full backs, even steady eddies, to come in? Could you name two? Because I'm just thinking, who could you bring in to get by United defensively better? Arsenal have got, say for instance, Calafiori and Hincapi who can play solid left back and then you've got Miles Lewis-Kell who can play attacking left-back and then they've got Timber, White and Konza and Muscara that can play defensive right-back.

55:59Gary Neville: So Arsenal have got... They're all centre-backs aren't they? The centre-backs are playing all-backs. If you're Liverpool, if Liverpool had now and I'm not saying they're the right solutions, Kwanzaa and Joe Gomez that could go in as a solid right-back as a defensive... I'm not saying it's the right because I'm not sure they're good. But if they had them, I was like, OK, at least then... You're not putting Schobber's right-back there, you're putting Kwanzaa there, which England did, or you put in Gomez there. I sort of half get it a little bit if you put in a right-back they can play. What about United?

56:23The lad from Barcelona who they've brought in, one of the reasons they brought him is because he's done a bit of right-back.

56:27Gary Neville: Right-back, yeah. But I think United, you're right. They've obviously tried. They tried Lewis Hall, didn't they? That didn't work. They tried Miles Lewis-Gelly, a little bit of a nibble there. Didn't work. They've gone obviously for it. I don't think Hall's the answer. I don't think Hall. I like Hall. Oh, I like Hall a lot. He's only 21. He's not bad, don't get me wrong. Oh, I like him. I like him. He's got a good balance of going forward and defending. I don't think he's a good defender. I like him. And we're going back to that. So what's your priority in a defender now, a full-back? For United giving up all them goals, our next option is a full-back.

56:59Of course you want them to be comfortable in possession, but first and foremost, they can defend. Because that's what your challenge is now. Whatever your attacking players go, listen lads, you've two midfielders attacking four goal-man in the state game, but we've got to be solid defensively. Even sacrificing being on the ball. But it always feels like what you think you need is always what the team who are winning the league are doing. So when Pep comes in, oh, we need full-backs who can go into the field. And now Arsenal are in the league thinking, oh, you should put a centre-back then. To be fair, Pep

57:24Gary Neville: Pep went there first a little bit, didn't he, with Guardiola at left-back and Ake at left-back. But he changed his own thing, didn't he? Yeah, so my point is, City have got these players like Kusanov can play right-back and he'll go there and do a defensive job. They've got Guardiola that can play left-back who's in the centre-half, basically. Nick Ovali. Yeah, they've got these players that can be adaptable, but a lot of centre-half material... Yeah, but you need to... You see, adaptable, but you've got to be... I think... I'm enjoying the Premier League, not even what Arsenal... I'm enjoying that physicality coming back into the game.

57:53I am. Oh, I do. I'm enjoying that. Full-backs have to be so technical, though, nowadays, I think, because when teams are building up... I think I was watching Tottenham. They tend to give the ball to the full-back when there's nothing else on, and I feel so sorry for full-backs. But you know what, Gill? I think the full-back, what you're needing, you just need to be decent in possession. We're not asking lads to be like trenched. Just be able to see a pass. But ultimately, you'd be a rock-solid defender for us today. And especially when you're spending hundreds of millions on attacking players going, well, just defensively, we don't have to be amazing, but let's be a bit solid.

58:29I do get that.

58:30Gary Neville: If you're going to have two goals a game... Ben White and Timber, to be fair, they do play simple passes to Saka or into midfield, and then they get round it. They just keep a simple game. They don't complicate it too much. Calafiori is a bit different. He actually does do things. He's a very good player. Gary, the reason they can do that is because the way Arsenal build up is so structured, it allows the full-backs, it might be a bounce pass so they have time. I watch Tottenham and the centre-half will wait on the ball, wait on the ball, there's no pattern in front. And he'll go, shit, give it to Robertson.

58:59And then he's just under so much pressure. I feel like they haven't got the patterns in the head, whereas City, Arsenal, I feel like they're so structured in the way they play out. Like full-backs nowadays, I do actually feel sorry for them. I feel like they've got to be like Ronaldinho in the areas sometimes. You don't have to be. My point is, no, but you need to be decent in possession. If you're a professional footballer, you'd be able to see a pass. Going back to Trippier and these lads, sometimes when he was at Burnley, just be able to see a pass and even chipping him behind somebody. But these guys who don't have a feel for it, when they get to him, you go, we don't know what's happening here.

59:31These guys could run out of play. They take a bad touch. The decision-making in possession at this level, it's so poor.

59:38Gary Neville: This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney+. Two weeks ago we did a show and we talked about the transfer window. We've all got to name a team that we think have come out of the transfer window better than we thought from two weeks ago and we've all got to name a team that we think they're worried about after the transfer window from two weeks ago. So I start... The top teams you're talking about? No, no. Anybody? Gary asks himself a question. Are you talking about at the end of last week? So two weeks ago, where we were in our heads Two, three weeks ago, we were in our heads and we were thinking basically, oh, they've got the best midfield or they need to do a bit more business.

1:00:14Gary Neville: Who do we think? I'll give you my examples. So the team I'd be worried about after this window, worried would be Liverpool and Fulham. I think Fulham not adding experience in attack. I'd be worried about Fulham after this window. And the team I feel more confident about would be City. Would be City. I think City's midfield two weeks ago without Boadi and without Enzo Fernandes, I was thinking, that's going to really, really struggle. Actually, now you put those two in. And by the way, Anonso Fernandes, I think he's an unbelievable player, Anonso Fernandes. When you watch him for Argentina in that World Cup and you just see, you can doubt sometimes because you might not like him, you might not have seen him do it at Chelsea, but I think he's an unbelievable character and personality.

1:00:54Gary Neville: He will do a great job for City. Yeah, I think so. So I think he'll be such a player. Like Gimaraes for Arsenal, I think he's a brilliant signing because they're very few and far between these players who just feel like they've got something about them I think Gimeraj and Enzo Fernandes are brilliant but anyway Fulham, Liverpool and I'm going to go City I feel a bit more confident about and I'd put it in a second I'm more confident with City I'm actually less about Chelsea than probably I was when I first came on they're transferring losing Enzo Fernandes not getting the Camara deal in they're playing full backs in midfield I know they've got a couple of injuries so I don't think they're in as good a place as I thought they would be two weeks later and even though I haven't watched them in the first two games they've got plenty of goals I was a little bit like ooh looking at them defensively in the Fulham game and the Brighton game so I'm probably a little bit less It's nice to watch though I like watching them Oh yeah of course yeah I am worried about Liverpool yeah about sort of you know you look at the right side for Liverpool I haven't really got a recognised right back fit now or a right winger in the team so how he's going to How long is a young kid back?

1:01:53Conor Bradley? No I don't think it's like sort of two or three weeks I think we're talking What does he do? Hara holding midfield player for Liverpool Yeah There's something holding

1:02:01Gary Neville: midfield player Well they've got one who can defend I know Gravenberg is the league playing that job but Endo he's a good player but he goes missing in midfield he's not like imagine Roy or Vieira in midfield or you know Casado they're sat there they're not moving Liverpool have got two players in the squad who are never going to play and there's all these quotas you can only have 17 players and all that they've got Kiesa and Endo it's like they're not even going to kick a ball is he still there Kiesa oh my god but Endo should have been moved on he's done great you know a bit of a cult hero but there was talk I don't know if it was true you know one of those transfer people I think he was on TalkSport actually he said Liverpool's people were into Camaro as soon as they heard the deal had fallen through last night as in not in for them to get them as in like oh we'll get you next oh but that's not good is it either well I don't know I'm only passing on so the point is I think they think they've got a lot of midfielders there but they're not the profile that you're talking about so Liverpool City and Liverpool worry about Liverpool City got stronger yeah Jill I would have said City got stronger.

1:03:07Villa's brought in some good players, but I still worry about them because they've lost the whole spine of the team. I'm not worried. So Villa in both categories? No, because they have brought in, but I just feel like I'm just worried for them for what they've lost.

1:03:21Gary Neville: You know something, Jill? I watched them on Monday night. I liked them. So I went there on Monday night and I spoke to them. Unai Emery's completely and utterly behind everything that they've done. He's completely happy with everything. And do you know something? I watched them on Monday night. How they still play the way they play with their pattern, with players missing, and they've got all these four or five players to come back in, I think they'll be all right. Villa will be fine.

1:03:41Ian Wright: Villa will be fine.

1:03:42Gary Neville: I think they'll finish. And that manager as well. I think they'll finish between eighth and sixth. I think Villa will be fine.

1:03:47Ian Wright: I would say Villa. But the same with, obviously worried about Palace. And if I'm going to be totally honest, Fulham as well. Fulham with that new manager. Getting everybody from Real Madrid, the youngsters from Real Madrid, you have to worry for them. but like I said I worry for Pallet I think Villa will be okay I think as time goes by people won't want to go to Villa Park I thought that was a tough game for us the other day I think Villa will be fine I don't think they'll not be fine I just think they've lost like the whole like Oli Watkins Taylor he makes a good point there Gary he's a great manager the manager's like he's a great manager the manager's like very much and he will manage them into something because he's good like that yeah Roy I just agree with what everyone said really I think I worry Liverpool Poulop I think was really poor worry about them in terms of trying to compete at the top United should have certainly got a couple of defenders in but when you leave it so late and you become desperate that's not good for United worry about certain teams yeah I think Fulham maybe Palace we were giving Coventry a bit of a thumbs up for us to promote a team you lose the first 120 million I think yeah obviously they'll just need a bit of time they'll just have had a win and obviously Hull have had a great start so I'd be still worried and I think when you're near the bottom like a promoted team Coventry and all of a sudden after 4, 5, 6 games you might have won at 2 points you're chasing your tail you know what on the weekend I was at Tottenham I was watching the scores coming before going up to commentate and you know when that whole goal went in even I it just felt you know you're already yeah that is like the problem for the promoted teams is obviously all season these teams are used to winning of course and all of a brilliant start but what happens for teams like Coventry you go to Arsenal you get a few pats in the back a little bit going oh well you didn't go under and you're thinking yeah they won't be as tough as Arsenal every week and then you get beaten home by Hull and they drew a Hull twice last season that's the sore one for you to recover from and unfortunately a little bit or to get a point and get something get to feel good factor into the club and what you have to do for all the promoted teams is you have to get used to losing from last year being used to winning 26, 27 games you get promoted to get used to losing that's a tough one tough one for Frank now to get that have two defeats.

1:06:01Really excited for Hull, though. Brilliant. Do you know what? Absolutely. They look well organised, don't they? They do look well organised.

1:06:08Ian Wright: We should have mentioned Newcastle.

1:06:10Gary Neville: Oh, they don't really well either way.

1:06:12Ian Wright: And it's really weird because when you look at the manager and there's an aura about him where you feel like something, he doesn't seem fussed, he just seems very calm, very cool. Visser and Lang, honestly, Visser. Visser, brilliant. Can I say with Visser? Do you know what? He's injured coming in. I understand that I understand of course but the thing with Visser is that he can score goals he's very good do you know isn't football mad them two lads you've mentioned they got to Newcastle last year new to the club sometimes it does take a year to settle in then the manager leaves and a new manager new voice giving them a chance and obviously been on the counter isn't football mad these two lads all of a sudden are confident scoring a goal and they're enjoying themselves you go listen good on you and that's the other side of football you wait you wait a year or two sometimes lads do need a year to settle into a club you know who else has gone from City to Gonzales Gonzalez Gonzalez I think that for Newcastle for somebody who's going to be playing more regularly I think he'll start to see I was so shocked with his performance at Tottenham we did it on Monday Night Football I didn't see that in a city when he come to city I'm thinking oh this lad's not the level I remember when Rodri came Rodri was really awkward and he felt the same when you watched him at City he just felt like oh he's in the shadow but like you watched him in that game he'd just done everything and you thought okay you'll just see when he plays more games he's just going to get better still early doing it Yeah, it's still early, but you've still got forwards who are very confident.

1:07:30Ian Wright: And Langer. But it's not mad how we make judgments and statements even after two games, isn't it? God, you've had a good start. Let's see Hull at Christmas. But it feels exciting. I'm very excited at the moment. But Nico is a good player. I remember when Rodri was injured, he did fill in really well for him. I didn't think City would get rid of him. Can I say who else I was excited about? Watching just quickly the Villa game. It was still a big loss, though, when Rodri was in Syphacete. Yeah, it was a big loss. Nico Jackson. Listen, honestly, I'm watching him as well. He's got this kind of like, he's got a loose over his neck in respects of his finishing.

1:08:04Ian Wright: But again, I think that Villa, under that manager... Wasn't he ready with some of his passing? Yeah, but the thing... He was a good out there for him. Roy had nowhere to go. I know. Let's watch him, Roy. No, I think, again, his movement was decent.

1:08:19Gary Neville: Yeah, but it's that end product. Good luck to him. He'll do all right. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Disney+. After two rounds already the Super 6 jackpot is still a huge£1 million. It's not been won. That's right. This season Super 6 are guaranteeing a millionaire with a£1 million jackpot until it's won. All you've got to do is predict the scores of six football matches, get all six right and that£1 million could be yours. No one's done it yet. It's completely free to play. Get your predictions in, play Super 6 and you could start the season£1 million richer. 18 plus TNCs apply.

1:09:01Welcome to our Super 6 segment. Here are the results from the first round. Thanks, Ben. It's bad. Thank you. Gary and Jamie, four. Wow. They're gone. They're gone. They've gone. Wow. Don't have back in his arm yet. We're done. We're finished. He's still in Ibiza.

1:09:13Ian Wright: He's still in Ibiza. Are you skiing then? Please. What did we get? Skied in July. Roy, Ian and Jill, five. Yay! I thought he said we got it back. I must have got a few of those Bournemouth Bournemouth Man City 2-1 did you actually do that yes I did

1:09:31Gary Neville: how do you start watching this who was it Bournemouth let's go let's go Man City Coventry Gary and Jamie

1:09:37Ian Wright: what are you going with we don't concentrate that's the thing we don't

1:09:443-0 3-0 no

1:09:46Ian Wright: give them a go no because I talk stupid Frank gone back to our exit Oh, I was going to say 3-0. There's another million pounds on the line, by the way. Brilliant. No one's won it yet. No one's won it. Roy, what are you saying here? Is that going to be 4-0? Would it be 4? I think 4. Is that mine or Jill's? I was just warming my hands. I think 4-0. Roy, I think 4-0 City. You think so? I'm not going 2-0. I was thinking when City get one or two up, they're just keeping it. They don't really go for it. Yeah, but Harland against a team like this is a monster. Yeah, go on, go for it. Go big.

1:10:23Gary Neville: 4-0. We nearly said 4-righty, to be fair.

1:10:26Ian Wright: Honestly, it could be a bad one. It's a good game. It's a good game. It's a brilliant game. Oh, happy days. It's interesting, I'm looking out for him as well, Deserby, because you know that he can go a little bit the other way, whether it's these players or the owners or something. You know what I mean, Gal?

1:10:38Gary Neville: I'm going to read something out straight after this.

1:10:40Ian Wright: Have I made a good point there, Gal? You have, well done. Thank you. You use a face, aren't you? No, I wasn't on that game. Spurs are due result. No, I think Spurs have to get a result that's bad. Law of averages. It was on TNT, wasn't it? Once a year. They lost on to lead. I think Spurs are definitely getting a result. But that's a draw. Wait a minute, what do you think then? They need to get something. Go 1-1. I just think Spurs... Spurs picked up a point. I would have gone. Go on then, go to... 1-1, 1-1. 1-1.

1:11:11Gary Neville: That's what we've really got. I think we can get something.

1:11:16Ian Wright: You should pick a winner, James.

1:11:17Gary Neville: Let's pick a winner. Yeah, go on. Forrest. We'll go Forrest 2-1. See what I mean, I knew it.

1:11:21Ian Wright: Jeez, I knew it. Brighton. They win. Brighton Leeds. We're leading. Give me... What do you think, Cara?

1:11:26Gary Neville: Brighton Leeds. Brighton are a good team.

1:11:30Ian Wright: Brighton were good, yeah. I like Brighton. Brighton. 2-0, 2-1. Yeah, but... 2-1. 2-1 Brighton. Susceptible at the back. Do you know what I'm saying? So that whole badge around, I think it's disrespectful. Do you think Brighton have beaten them? I think... I think Leeds have had a steady start. Do you get that? And they're just going to... refused to walk over the playoffs. He's got a great win, I think. That was real, wasn't it? What do you think? I think 3-1. 3-1? I almost think you should give a team a goal. Especially at home. They've got that in them as well, Brighton. Go on, 3-1. No, I could...

1:11:56Ian Wright: Brighton, yeah, 3-1. I don't know, I would have gone tall. No. OK, whole villa. 5.30 Saturday. What a great... Come on, villa. I just have a bit more thing for villa. Will you play, right? I'm going to have a villa.

1:12:09Gary Neville: All right. Right, will you play? All right.

1:12:11Ian Wright: I haven't got a clue. He'll come off the bench or something. He'll have to go up against my mate, Oli McBurney. Score header. Beg Oli McBurney. Villa. If you've got one to catch him, call that. That is impossible to call that. Villa win. I'm thinking Villa. Villa 2-1. Villa 2, yeah. They'll get a goal home. Right. Oli McBurney will score. If he gets that. We've got 1-0 Villa. 1-0 Villa. That's your guy. I love him so much.

1:12:37Gary Neville: Everton Manchester United, 2pm Saturday. Sunday, 2pm Sunday. I'm looking forward to Sunday. Arsenal, Chelsea.

1:12:43Ian Wright: I'm doing this. Are you doing this game, Gary?

1:12:45Gary Neville: I'm doing Arsenal. Wow, you are busy.

1:12:47Ian Wright: I'm doing Arsenal, Chelsea. I haven't done anything for two weeks. You took my walk in. Have you got it? Are you doing it? I was. I said we've got replacement. Are you doing that one? Are you doing that again? No, I should be. Jesus, why can you not be doing the United? It's at Arsenal. Are you not working this weekend? We're at Arsenal. 2-1 United. Ben. Yep. Sorry, Everton fans. I'm no...

1:13:13Gary Neville: why have you gone for 2-1 United I'm going 2-1 we do have a good record I think we do well 2-0 I don't know that's not a cynic what have you been 2-0 Everton should have got a result last year then United scored yeah Cesc Gull scored he played a great ball over the top it was a pass I don't think United were well away though I'm going to go up yeah couldn't you let's go 1-1 sorry I'll jump in there

1:13:35Ian Wright: Beto's gone in it oh here we go righty righty it's a big one I'm not even going to say anything. This is all on you. But don't get carried away either. Chelsea go on there. I think there could be a lot of goals in this. No, I think we're winning this game. I think we're winning this game. Go big or go home, Pat. 3-1 Arsenal. Are you going to give up a goal? Where are you going? I was thinking 2-0. Once they get 2, they're happy with 2-0. We'll go 2-0 Arsenal. Chelsea, Parma, they've got a goal. Yeah, they've got a goal in.

1:14:07Gary Neville: I've helped you. Parma will give a little slight. I'm giving them a goal. Thank you. Arsenal have to concede the odd goal. I think Arsenal on Sunday are just going to basically be so up for it and strong it's going to be unbelievable. They're going to be really aggressive.

1:14:20Ian Wright: Plus Martinez is in goal now and Arsenal fans hate him. I think Chelsea will score though. I don't know if that's a great sign for Chelsea. I know they need to go. I feel the last year I'm telling you he was giving up a lot to go. He's a character and a personality. He's the goalkeeper that can take them to their neck because they had to do something. I'm not sure. He's all said he needs He loves pairing that one in the middle of the six yard box.

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1:15:50Gary Neville: Deserby said this the other day about Richarlison. Richarlison, I don't know. He said too many times that he wants to leave. Danzo came to me two days ago and he said he wants to leave. Papasar said the same. You can't buy mentality. Football's like a magic thing. you can change many players in one window and find the balance of media or you need more time. So he's effectively saying that he wants these players out they haven't got the mentality. Richarlison... Is he saying that because they've asked to leave? Yeah. Richarlison says, after everything I've been... I'm not going to read it all because it's quite a long thing.

1:16:18Gary Neville: After everything I've been through in the last few years, I've decided that never again in capitals... Never? Never again would anyone decide my future for me. I went through a lot of bad things during that time and almost all of them happened because of decisions made by other people. pressure, threats, retaliation none of that scares me what's going on there?

1:16:38Ian Wright: You know something it's simple isn't it he's not going to be held over

1:16:42Gary Neville: he wants a payoff I've never got it probably from who? from Tottenham?

1:16:45Ian Wright: yeah probably

1:16:46Gary Neville: you think that's what the case is? well he why did it fall it fell through though? he's said so De Zerbe said he's asked to leave so he wants to leave and then he said no one's telling me what to do but he said he wanted to leave yeah so he wants a payoff he's not talking about De Zerbe though with threats and say never again and stuff, is he? Is he? Is he talking about in the past? Someone's trying to leave Everton to go to Tottenham. That's what I'm asking, but he's obviously going to go to Tottenham.

1:17:09Ian Wright: Yeah, but who knows, Gaur, it might be some of these teams, it might be people around him that's forced him to do certain things. He might be talking about that as well. But, like, I'd have to be saying... They want him to go so they get end-eye. That was the thing. It was a bit of a swap, bit of money. And he's probably thinking, no, I'm not just definitely going there. Because it's that type of...

1:17:25Gary Neville: I don't think players have got the right to do that. Players should do that. Just a little bit to read on a little bit, then, to give you some more from Richelton. I've always made it clear at every opportunity that any move of mine to another place would also have to be good for the club. If it wasn't, I would never accept it. Just didn't like it. Liar. But he's basically saying, I think he did want to go back to Everton, didn't he? Yeah, he likes to. Yeah. But are you saying he's back in Trin? How are they going to react?

1:17:44Ian Wright: Roy, you said you like that, though, didn't you? When a player says, no, I'm not going to... Yeah, well, obviously, we don't know the ins and outs, and every deal is different. The dynamics of every transfer is... I'm just glad to hear players. Yeah, I'm just glad to hear players saying, no. It would be nice if he came out and explained what he was doing.

1:18:01Gary Neville: So this morning, he's obviously got a player who's come up with a very strong statement. He knows that he's asked to leave. Have you ever had a situation in management, Roy, or in Ian, where the players wanted to leave? Yeah, but deals fall true all the time. What, you would pull them into small and go, listen, I know that was the plan. Let's not find the players. Get your head down and see what happens. Do you think that's what De Zerbe's doing? He probably is. He's quite confrontational. He probably is. And that would be his tour on your thinking today. now next week if the lad's coming in and he's not training apart you go hold on a second you've got to give us something back here but it happens at every club that'll be happening at non-league this morning or loads of deals more than yesterday yeah but this is where

1:18:38Ian Wright: from Deserby's point of view this is where Tottenham need to if they get a good result there then that kind of helps him in the dressing room as well of course absolutely helps once you start getting again like give you power like you look at someone like Richarlison and you can see that he would be somebody that kind of maybe would cause a problem in respect of what he wants to do and what he doesn't want to do. So I think that the sooner he can get himself out, which is not going to happen now, is it? He's not leaving now. I think you sometimes presume, though, that managers will confront the situation.

1:19:07I think in some cases they just let it pan out how it goes. I've been in clubs where you think that probably needs to be sorted out and nothing gets said. Does that much go on? Someone might tell the manager this morning, he's made a statement, he goes, so what? Yeah. We've got a game coming up. I do think managers sometimes just brush things.

1:19:24Ian Wright: Tottenham need to liven up themselves in the respects of because they've got the players on the pitch that should be doing a lot better than they're doing so once that clicks in you know what I mean I think they'll be fine as well but I think he's the right manager to get them going but at the same time we know that that manager can have a little problem with players and people upstairs so I'm really watching Why do we sit here and automatically think he's the manager that's going to get them to the has he got enough behind him to say I think he's got a great reputation Well they've thrown the money They were desperate with Andy Tottenham so they give him a massive contract to come in to keep them up I get that but look at his look at his career you go is there is that is that strong we look and go like we look at the Villa manager well he's been true hey listen hey don't worry Villa will be fine who knows yeah right

1:20:09Gary Neville: community question here I loved your episode with John McGinn last week which current Premier League player would you love to see on the show the most we've all got to give one he's not Premier League but he's just left the Premier League John Stones I was thinking this the other day you're obsessed with him Oh, my God, I've mentioned him once.

1:20:26Ian Wright: You always say people are obsessed with people. I've literally mentioned him once. Let me see, who would I have? I knew you would mention him. No, you didn't. Is that a current player? Has to be a current Premier League player. Which current Premier League player would you like to see? Sorry, finish your answer. Because I was just thinking, like, his amazing career at City, the way he came in and played in the Champions League final in that midfield role he's now gone to Inter I just think he'd have a great story seems a nice lad is that enough? yeah, lovely I'd love to see Erlen Harlan on here oh yeah he does that's a good one that's a good one right no sir, Erlen Harlan Erlen Harlan he's not obviously not Alfie I'm not even joking he is he's box office in where he is I don't agree Honestly I think he's The way Especially the way He was in Brilliant I think he's a Brilliant person He's a brilliant person The Rowan Very good person I'm not on about him People get obsessed With him on social media Because they might Get their hair cut No no no Who cares We're talking about His whole life Is driven toward performance And he still Let me finish And at the same time At a high level You can't say Erling Haaland At a high level He's still performing but he has fun and I think that he would be very he would be fun he's a fun guy have you met him he's a fun guy have you met him yeah just to say hello when you've done an interview he's a fun guy he's a fun guy he's a cool guy come on come on take it easy

1:22:02Gary Neville: okay you're not allowed to repeat the same player that someone else has said not that it is going to be repeated but I think is that a good one or not I think it's a good one because we're talking about a dream I've gone before you would never have thought

1:22:12Ian Wright: how to say the early on I think I you know what I'm going to go for Bruno Fernandes that's a good one yeah another one that would be a good one you fucking prick you fucking prick

1:22:30Ian Wright: that's Joe Petri was that in there make you laugh you're a fucking clown

1:22:37Gary Neville: funny really I think Bruno's a good one as well he is a good one I think Bruno would be a good one absolutely you're not going to go You don't have things in common, these players. No, but Bruno had done a podcast a few weeks ago on, The Diary of a CEO, didn't he do that one? Oh, yeah. He did? Yeah, but leadership, strange. Oh, yeah. Oh, he did, didn't he? Bruno and Harland won't be able to come on here. No, we're not done.

1:23:02Ian Wright: We're just saying people who we would have wanted. You've just said John Stones because he's achievable.

1:23:09Gary Neville: Sorry, John. Now he's at Inter Milan. I think he would come on. But you're not just naming him just because you think you might be able to get him, are you? Yeah. Who are you saying? I think I was saying Cole Palmer or Declan Rice. I'd like to have Cole Palmer for an hour to talk to him.

1:23:26Ian Wright: It would take 25 minutes just for him to warm up. He makes me laugh, though, when he talks. He does make me laugh. Anything he says, it just makes you smile.

1:23:33Gary Neville: I just think Cole Palmer or Declan Rice. He's real. He's true. I said Cole Palmer. I'm going to say Cole Palmer. Cole, if you want to come on. Yeah, Palmer's a good shot. Hang on a second. Who else? I've got another one. I have to be a premiership player. Premier player, yeah. Probably Tear, my son. LAUGHTER

1:23:52Tear'd be good. Will he come on? Yeah, Tear, come on. That'd be weird. Oh, that'd be good, actually.

1:23:57Ian Wright: Let's get him on. It's really interesting. Yeah, but now you're forcing him on. He's a fun guy, you know, he's like... No, he doesn't want to upset his father. He doesn't really want to come on, but he's firing him on, saying, I want to tell you to come on. He's going to sit there like, oh, God, my daddy. He's the only guest we'll have to pay. LAUGHTER LAUGHTER

1:24:14Gary Neville: I'm that hidden guy. Obviously, we don't get to see a young Premier League footballer. Exactly. What is that like, Roy, in terms of... Obviously, you've known him for a few years, but what would he be like in terms of different than you would have been back in the day and stuff? Oh, he's a lot more professional than I was. Yeah, absolutely. These younger lads... I think most of them... Yeah, this age group, this age. Yeah, this generation. The preparation. Diet, they would look after themselves, very rare they go out. He's a really good kid. and having the ups and downs like a lot of footballers are waiting for a deal to go through yeah it's all kind of stressful for a family would he be panicking towards the end it was like it's a big move but he doesn't speak to me much about it I like that I'd have boundaries with him I wouldn't be interfering with his business but every now and again you might just give a little bit of advice but no I wouldn't be overbearing hopefully not towards him because he's got his own stuff to do and stuff for his family his family offers from Stockport and trying to get him moved back maybe back up this neck of the woods even though to be fair he was at a good club in Southampton but but the disappointment that last year, I think missing out in the playoffs and getting kicked out of the playoffs.

1:25:18So then getting a move for him. I think Villa was a brilliant move. That appeal of that move,

1:25:23Gary Neville: when I look at the appeal of anybody, Villa's a great club, I love Villa, but just to go and play for Unai Emery, is that a massive party? Yeah, I would be.

1:25:32Not that he would be discussing stuff with me like that, but it's just when you hear it through the family, you go, oh, good show. Yeah. I think he's a future leader. I remember seeing him around City and he was just like, he's just got something about him. I think in a few years he could definitely be like... He's a leader. He's a leader. Like any young player, he's had the ups and downs. He played for England, scored against Ireland that night, real highs, disappointments with getting relegation, not getting the moves he thought he was going to get last year. The usual stuff. So, yeah, he deserves it.

1:26:00Good.

1:26:01Gary Neville: Right, OK, so we've got... I've got another one. Today we've got Erling Haaland, Bruno Fernandes, Cole Palmer. John Stones, Jack Grealish. Good shout. Jack Grealish. He'd be fun. But McGinn was good as well. It's nice, isn't it? Oh, McGinn was so nice. Very good. He was very good. So nice. Having said that, I think all the guests, truthfully, I can't take one guest I've not liked. I think all the guests have been pretty... You haven't not liked any? Truthfully, no. That's good. Have a guest.

1:26:27Ian Wright: Interesting. Sol was interesting. He had great guests.

1:26:32Gary Neville: Why are you wearing an Arsenal jumper, by the way? Because I'm an Arsenal... Now we're into this show and realise you're just wearing an Adidas Arsenal jumper. What's going on?

1:26:37Ian Wright: It's just because this is it. this is the new shit on the block.

1:26:40Gary Neville: Well, this is it. What's your shit?

1:26:43Ian Wright: That's cool as a...

1:26:44Gary Neville: I didn't see that.

1:26:45Ian Wright: That's right, Gary, your vision's not good. What's that 1207?

1:26:48Gary Neville: Look, this is the... This is the shizip. Start of Liverpool, probably, or the Republic of Liverpool. What, 1207? Is that when Liverpool was founded? Must have been, yeah. What? 1207? The year 12-7? Like, eight battle base things and all that, isn't it? Stuff, you know what I mean? Yeah. Right, let's go. Another kid who's going to make a few quid out of her selling T-shirts. It's a nice one, I like it. Excellent. Right, last question. Chelsea won 4-3 despite having 25.9 % possession. Which football metric that is used do you think is the most overrated? That expected goals. Oh, my God. I like that one.

1:27:24I don't mind that one. Like the goals you've expected to score, just what you score is what you score. You know the reason I like it is for when I'm not watching a game. I know this sounds stupid. You look at the snaps and someone will say, A manager will go, we had 10 shots, they only had four. But then I look at the XG and go, no, they were proper chances they had. Yours were just shooting from outside the box. So I like it for that. Yeah, I don't like it.

1:27:47Gary Neville: What are you saying, which ones we like or don't we? Which metric that you hear used do you not like? It's overrated. I don't know. Just something. I'll tell you what's overrated. I think the possession one can be for certain teams. Certain teams can dominate the ball, but are never going to score that many. Average positions. So when someone puts away a goal. You touch it. But you could come back for a corner, head one away, and that's counted as one of your touches. It's like, no. Where did I get the ball? So I think average position, I never used that. I don't like assists. That's exactly what I was going to say.

1:28:18You don't like assists?

1:28:19Gary Neville: No, because I just said something that sounds crazy, and I don't know how you do this, but I see basically some incredible... There was a pass in the United game last week at Ipswich, which was Bruno's to Mbermo. That's a proper assist. It's like a really difficult pass. You think, wow, what a pass that is. And then you'll see someone... You're getting assists for a corner. I rolled it to Scholesy at Middlesbrough about 20-odd years ago. He smashes it in from literally 25, 30 yards. One of the best goals you'll ever see. Where as Andy Old said, it was back him. I get an assist for that. That is not right.

1:28:50Gary Neville: It is ridiculous. I've played the ball to a lad. People don't talk about your assist. No, I know they don't talk about my assist, but my point is that counts on my record of assists. So Trent Alexander-Arnold, who's worked his backside off to put all those crosses in, my pass to Scholder counts the same as his unbelievable that is not right I don't like assists my argument to that is though when you look at the assist record it's still the best players it's not like some random player at the top of the assist it's always the best you'd expect you'd go De Bruyne Fernandes him it's always the best players are always but that's sometimes mostly the case with also stats like shots on target or possession or things if you have his position to higher up the pitch you're probably going to be a team that's winning more as well.

1:29:32Gary Neville: I get the fact that to me assists. Assist has done

1:29:36Ian Wright: brilliantly for players though in respects of if you're a player and you're negotiating what happens now. It's gone to another level in respects what you can do. Didn't De Bruyne use that when he said his last contract? When you look at it like that you think for the players it's been brilliant.

1:29:50Gary Neville: I don't like clean sheet bonuses. For keepers I don't mind it. I just think for midfield players I just shouldn't get paid to score. That's part of contracts now. A clean sheet is more about the back four than the goalkeeper. This goalkeeper award that they get for the most clean sheet... Well, I was thinking that about it. Ryan never had a shot to save in the entire match. In his defence, to be fair, he must have gone in... Yeah, but part of him is controlling that. Yeah, yeah. I give him a little bit of credit for that. Comes off the line quickly. Comes up, catches the ball. A top goalkeeper...

1:30:21What is it, golden glove? I like goalkeepers who don't make many saves because that means they're already organised. You know, when some creepers make 20 saves, yeah, that's because you're not organised your back four properly. So what's the metric? Any other metric? I don't like distance covered individually sometimes because I think you can have a crap game and be trying to chase it. So you've covered, say, 11K, whereas with a perlough you used to cover like 5K, just keeping it nice and...

1:30:45Gary Neville: Jill, I've got a direct stat on that for myself. I literally started coming in in 2006, I think it was, the sort of... Close on. No, it was 2004, 2003, 2004. The most running I ever did in a season at United was our worst ever season. Around the time when you left, Roy, we were like, I don't know, we finished third maybe one year and we were having to chase games and we were having to basically we were losing it was that my my highest running stats was when we were losing yeah but now there are certain positions you have you do have to cover the yardage because I also believe just so you're having a bad game sometimes the more yards you cover you get to break the ball but obviously you have to be smart but my bad games and I was chasing but if you've got two in front of the pair of wide players if you come up and go they've only covered 3.4 kilometres you go what?

1:31:27Gary Neville: but Roy if we're 2-0 if we're 2-0 if we're 2-0 up at half time so if we're 2-0 up we're 25-30 minutes to go to Old Trafford you're not sprinting forward as much as you would you're in control you're thinking right okay we're alright we're recycling Arsenal are a classic team Arsenal go a bit they do step up a gear and Declan Rice will start running forward when they need a goal they'll get it and all of a sudden then he'll just drop back and he won't do as much running so I do think there is an element that's where the smartness comes from so I do think that one is a bit of a running more doesn't necessarily mean it's good yeah that's what I mean but I think it is something maybe from managers use because then you feel like the team are running, they're trying and there's something to fall back on a little bit.

1:32:04If they're getting criticised and results might be, people will show you them stats, go, well, the players are trying. You see most managers, I feel sorry for most managers on a lot of weekends when they come out after a bad result, they're desperate to keep everyone on side. Instead of going, no, it's not been good enough. They're frightened to

1:32:20Ian Wright: death of having to go at the players or the team. Are they going to do that one where they assist the assist soon because they're just going to keep bringing... Pre-assist. Yeah, because sometimes the pre-assist... Sometimes the pre-assist is better than the assist. So you think to yourself, well, at some stage you're going to have to bring that in because that person's done the work and you've just kind of like done a little touch and then it's in. But then the pre-assist to the assist to the pre-assist to the pre-assist. How did you do your running stats? I don't mean to be rude, but you didn't have the GPS.

1:32:44It was when the cameras came in.

1:32:46Gary Neville: Pro-zone. Is that what it was? Oh, OK. Two more questions quickly. What annoys you most in football? What gives you the most pleasure? It's a quick one. What annoys you most in football? What gives you the most pleasure? We were chatting earlier. People going down and there's no problem.

1:32:58Ian Wright: Yeah, that's the one. that's the one put your defender of course yeah yeah that was his arse yeah yeah yeah right there's so much football so many platforms for people giving opinions about football it's mind there is what you're laughing at it's mind boggling ex players ex referees commentators no giving their opinions on the games like tactics it's just overbearing isn't it do we fit into that sort of obviously we're part of the problem of course so you sit in traffic well what's this traffic you're sitting in the traffic you're part of it that's why less is more but everyone some people are on every single day you're going you must get fed up with your own voice

1:33:38so many platforms for ex-players and it's great on one hand because it keeps people busy and it keeps them working but when people are at it every single day my goodness

1:33:48Ian Wright: people are bringing life out of football everywhere you can you've got to try and find something to do in respects of a living out of it rinsing football I know that much

1:34:01Gary Neville: Rince in it The most pleasure I get Is actually being in a stadium For a match And just getting to kick off The pre-kick off I don't like waiting for it But actually Once the games I do like being in a stadium I love your little selfie Like come by me I love being in a stadium Josie when I get to a gantry I feel like I'm in peace It's like a bit of a protected area A gantry Where you just think I can just watch the game Not at every ground Do you agree Old Trafford is the best gantry In the league Why is it Because it's away from everything Oh no honestly You're not getting wet up there isn't it?

1:34:29Gary Neville: Old Trafford's gantry is the old classic hanging over the pit so it's like you can see everything it's brilliant the gantry at Old Trafford yeah once you get up there you feel peaceful so your biggest pleasure is the gantry? being on the gantry yeah going to the gantry and actually yeah watching the game but you can't you're not saying you're getting near as buzz to when you play it are you? no but you just just that feeling of like it's a game Arsenal's Chelsea Sunday 4.30 when the kick-off's about to start I'll get a little bit I'll be there I do yeah

1:34:56Ian Wright: I like when you actually get, you know when you do a game and it ends up nil-nil and one, there's nothing to speak of. Just wait, nil-nil. It's when you get a really good game, I get immersed in it to the point where I forget, okay, I've got to speak about this. I love that. I love when the game is really good. And you're doing plenty of games now, aren't you? I'm not doing plenty of games. I walk out of a nil-nil, seriously.

1:35:20Gary Neville: He's took your work. I walk out of a nil-nil, I get on my bike or my car and I'm like, I feel like I've wasted three hours. and just I feel sorry for the fans like the kid who's paid for his first game of the first Premier League match and he's in a nil-nil and I'm like oh no so you can't talk

1:35:34Ian Wright: all those games up as a pun you should never ever you should just say it for what it is what's he talking like that for just say it for what it is because you're there to try and find yeah I hate fans I hate fans who get their phones out at matches or when they're walking give us your phone is that your phone yeah when they're walking to a game and they're singing and they're recording themselves

1:36:00Get a life The Cardinals have a singing about a team Come on you Spurs

1:36:09Ian Wright: You know what you see now Can you press record You know what you do see For instance you see The camera pan on the crowd And if it's a free kick just outside the box Everybody's got a card Oh, yeah. So there was an Ipswich fan. So have you seen the clip of the Ipswich fan? It's when he scored him. Yeah. No? So they're all celebrating. So he's getting his phone. So everyone's celebrating. The goal is going, he's going, he's not celebrating. And then he pressures the goal and he goes, yes!

1:36:40It's not my mate from two years ago, is it? Oh, yeah. I want to leave you in the camp, yeah.

1:36:46Gary Neville: Right. Well done. End of the episode. Well done. Well done. Well done.

1:36:56you know what that stat is years ago you go to a nightclub obviously back in the day and you chat to a girl all night but you go home by yourself what's your ex-G

1:37:08Gary Neville: or suddenly you go for two minutes and you're like I can't play you

1:37:15Gary Neville: Jesus

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