Gary Neville's Best Moments on Stick to Football!

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0:20Gary Neville: Was Rude the first?

0:25Gary Neville: Tim. Tim. Ben. Ben. Was Ruud the first Dutch manager in the Premier League? Yes. Was Ruud the first Dutch manager in the Premier League? I think he was. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I'll find out. Was he? Ask Pat in here. He can't have been. I think he was, no. You know the guest that we've come on now? Have you forgot him? What? Ruud. I'll take the name Ruud Van Nistel, Roy. Ruud Hulli. Egg. I'll take the name Ruud Van Nistel, Roy. I think he was one of the first foreign managers who was the first ever foreign manager in the Premier League I think it might have been a guy first one to come into my head was a fella called Joseph Wenglos at Villa early 90s there might have been one before him Joseph Wenglos it was a big thing at the time wasn't it Dutch manager that's interesting what would have been rude yeah what was that that was I played in his first game as manager of Newcastle but he was obviously Chelsea wasn't he first Do you know, we played a semi-final against him at Villa Park.

1:32Gary Neville: I was centre-back for United and he did me in the air on a cross. You were small for a centre-back, were you? He was a massive unit, by the way. Oh, I know. Fucking monster. I've got a great story playing against him. Oh, I know. So he would have managed Chelsea. What would that have been mid? That would have been 96. I think he's the first Dutch manager in the Premier League. Don't Google it. Yes, right. They're autumnal colours coming into spring. I think it's time now, isn't it? I like that green. I like what you've done there. Yeah, I like what you've done there. I'm always blue, aren't I?

2:07Yeah. What's this, Gary? Is it a new one from you or something? I like it, naturally.

2:18You went through phases, you. A phase, you were a photographer. You just said 433 before that. For folding, you... You said about scores. I didn't like to at all. Man United or Gary Neville?

2:36Gary Neville: Went to the Hacienda on a Tuesday night. You and Phil? Me and Phil. He has a big banner. Rafa's cracking up. You were cracking up.

2:48That's so childish. So it's like about eight o 'clock. He just got up and walked off with the family. Where are you going? You want some going to bed?

2:57Gary Neville: I've never seen New Year's Day. Gary does the ads on here. Like when I haven't stopped up on custard cream biscuits, that's not happening.

3:07Did you used to travel around with your own bowl, spoon, Weetabix and Jaffa cakes? On a Friday... Did that firstly say yes or no? Yes. You're weird. Right.

3:20Gary Neville: So basically, on a Friday, the pattern was you had breakfast in the morning, you had lunch after training, and then you'd have a midpoint between dinner. Because we had dinner then. We moved to dinner because we were posh when we played at United. You moved to 7 o 'clock when you get to the hotel, 7.30. So there's a big gap between half 12, 1 o 'clock having your lunch and your dinner at half 7. So we had 4 o 'clock. Day before a game, I had to have... Have you got it? Because I'm still trying to think so. Is this what you're having your tea? I'm serious. So because if you... No, no, no. So when you're younger and you're growing up in Bury, you basically had tea at 5 o 'clock.

3:56Gary Neville: Once I went to United and you start playing for the first team you have lunch at 1 and you move your dinner to 7 in the evening night before a game. Obviously because we stayed in the hotel didn't we every night before a game. Home and away. So we had dinner at 7, 7.30 in the hotel. So this 4 o 'clock midpoint if we were travelling on a train obviously a train they're not going to bring my midpoint snacks. So literally me and Phil they'd have milk on the train obviously for the coffee and the teas we'd bring our Weetabix we'd bring our bowl we'd have our spoon and we'd have our Weetabix there with three Jaffa cakes you know something I swear if I was in is it if I did your mum used to leave your breakfast out the night before she would do yeah when we still lived at home him and Phil when we were playing for United we lived at home until we were probably at 19 yeah you'd have like yeah we'd you know something I'd swear I'd love to have been a fly in the wall no no no just been in the dressing with you and Phil I know to abuse us the entertainment off of you two just watching, like you're saying, they used to do the feet stuff did you ever do the feet on the train?

4:59Gary Neville: so basically what we do on the train in the alleyway on the train what you do, let's say that's the alleyway you do all the gates to make sure you just loosen your hips you know what I mean, you just literally stand up every half an hour, 20 minutes would you say something like come on Phil, let's do the stretches you sat there for two or three hours, sat down it's not good for you would Phil ever say to you, come on girl, we better do our stretches No, it wasn't like that. We used to sit there and look at them and say, look at these dickheads.

5:29You know what, I love the repetition of it.

5:33Gary Neville: Yeah, yeah. But why would you sit, if you sit on a plane, don't sit on a plane for six hours or three hours. Get up, have a walk around, have a stretch, move yourself, it's not good for you. Particularly if you're an athlete. Right.

5:47Ricky, so obviously you do your own ads and Gary does the ads on here. I just thought, is there anything you could...

5:53Gary Neville: The kids are back at school and I remember that meant new subjects to learn and new skills to master. Then as a youth player at United, the new season meant new tactics, new ideas and new challenges. As adults, we don't often get that same chance to learn new things. But if you could, what would you love to teach yourself? What's that for?

6:14Gary Neville: Is this going out in this stick to football? I'll get fucking killed for that. It's done, it's done It's done So we're coming up to Halloween in the next few weeks And it's the time of the year where we have fun Let's go So we're coming up to Halloween in the next few weeks And it's the time of the year where we have fun with the things that scare us But there are always those that we fear That feel Like when I haven't stocked up on custard cream biscuits That's not happening can you write my adverts for me I don't think it's a advert it's a personality I love it isn't honesty funny isn't just saying the thing that you really need to feel the funny bit there is you're going oh that's not happening I love it because everyone knows you're acting so my favourite thing of anything is the outtakes I just, I just, I love it.

7:18I love on set when something goes wrong. That's, that's the good bit. Do you know what I mean? That's the funny bit. So that's it. You won't cover. What were you advertising? Custard creams. What was it? Was it? What was it? It was a mega mix of different. Oh, you do your own adverts for the podcast. Gary does. Gary does. Do you do them or why? Because these don't want to do them. Yeah, they're just, yeah. We never get asked, actually. No.

7:42Gary Neville: Yeah, Gary does everything. He promotes brands while we're sitting here looking. No, but I don't ask them to do it because I just basically don't ask them to do it. I just pay them, basically. Do you guys get paid? Hold on, so is this your podcast then? Well, not really. It's our podcast, but yeah. I set it up a few years ago. But you organise all your own advertising for it as well? No, someone else does it over there. Oh, right. Great. Interesting. Could you do that one? Can he work for your adverts? I could do that one. Yeah, go on, they're doing adverts. Go on, do that one. Go on, do that one.

8:16Go on, go on. But do it in your nice, posh voice like you did... I've lost my voice as well, to be fair.

8:23Gary Neville: Here we go. Right. Right. I didn't drink alcohol until I was 18. When I was 18, I started to drink vodka because it was the nicest alcohol that I could taste. You could mix it with Coke, with orange and with other... The Coke?

8:40Do you know what you're getting a bit of that as well? It's very ethical. I was going to say that was really good. It was really bad. That was so articulate. I thought that was brilliant. Come on, guys.

8:55Gary Neville: Now that we're a lot more aware of the environment, Dutch Barn vodka is the most sustainable alcohol that you can buy. Buy Dutch Barn vodka. Yay! That was really good. That was great. That was great. Thank you, Gary. That was a great go. Well done. I like the one where you say, oh, you need to play some of your adverts, actually. Have you seen it? Have you seen it? Oh, my God, it's fun. Have you seen it? Oh, yeah. Have you seen it? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. A quick message to all supermarkets, off-licences, corner shops, to say, please stock Dutch Barn vodka. I'm the co-owner of the company, so this could make me a lot of money.

9:36And it's a premium quality vodka made from British apples. We're committed to sustainability and the protection of the ecosystem. It's 100 % recyclable, the bottle. That's why it's brown. Only one like it as well. So it'll stand out on the shelves. It's how people will remember it, I think. It'll be like, if you're going out, granddad, can you get me some vodka? What sort? The posh one in the brown bottle. Dutch Farne? I can't afford that Well you should have fucking worked harder then Dutch Farne Are you just coming up with that on the spot? No I sort of I make notes I know what I'm going to talk about and then it's funny that nearly every advert we've done is the outtake of the advert that was meant to be but I just put out the outtake because I think that's more fun All those things Neville that I used to think about you know I used to tell Roy I don't like that twat I really don't like that A lot of people say that I really honestly How can he ever talk about management When he's done a disability You're fine You're fine He's lovely People realise they're lovely A lot of people say that You have to meet Gary in the fresh He's beautiful He's not beautiful But it's fine I mean it's a beautiful thing I'll not go any more than that there Honestly Do some people not like you?

10:58It's a perception It's a reputation Oh no no That's not perception That's true That is absolutely true. It's just you're in everything at this minute. I'm expecting you to be reading news at 10. Was Gary really... Can you imagine how serious and weird he must have been? You went through phases, you, and at a phase you were a photographer.

11:28Remember that time? Yeah. I did. I was so excited. Naked, Lance. Gary Bailey. I've got it.

11:40Gary Neville: I recognised. I recognised that actually taking photographs of this amazing team and players in moments would be... I've actually got quite a few of the pictures at home. Bring them in. He just said you were naked in the kitchen. You're playing in one. You're from behind. No, I'm just saying, yeah. You should take an extra gallery. I sound like a wrong one. You are a wrong one. Hey, it's Peter football. You should do some pictures. Dressing room shots that I knew would be iconic. Artists still got them. We can bring them down. Bring them in. I'll try to do dressing room in a minute. You've got a club photographer.

12:21What are you doing?

12:22Gary Neville: They don't get in the dressing room. Remember Simon Mooney with England, where you get dressing room shots. it was bromine and I thought do you know something no one's capturing this as it happens I thought I'm going to be a photographer just before then how I know the other faces yeah before then you went through a phase buying all these pictures yeah yeah I bought loads of I've still got them to this day photography black and white photographs from famous photographers and just went through this phase of doing it yeah I love that I love that what are you learning about you gal there's hidden things here mystical character you're so mystical

12:58Gary Neville: Four darts. Oh, no. What does he need? He needs 75. He needs 76. Come on, Lou. Luke, just remember to smash your darts. 76 in four darts? You're the world champion. All right. Oh, hang on. There are confetti cannons. I've never used one before. How do they work? Does anyone know how... If you win. Yeah, you two as well. Just to cut, you know... If you win. You might get... Fuck's this, yeah. Yeah, guys, yeah. Give it to Skolze. Yeah, for these, by the way. 176 to win let me do it like a Jesus Christ did you mean to do that you showed him already that's so childish it's constantly a world champion respect second yellow that's a second yellow for him it's a second yellow two yellows is a red I'm sorry there's nothing I can do it is a red I can't book it Take your time, Luke.

14:00How many corners have arsed, lad? We've had a first league. Ten? Must be ten, is it? You know what you should do with an arse of the game, right? You should just... You have ten set pieces, and the other team have ten set pieces, and whoever scores the most just wins the game. Yeah, forget all this playing stuff. There's no points. Look at this. Two and a half. Hey! What is going on here? Woo-hoo! Honestly. look at the goalkeeper right he's sitting he's being childish on his offside right John what did I just say James did I say you just need another goal just settle us down a bit do you know what I mean that's a looped corner

14:36Gary Neville: that's shit that look at the goalkeeper no that's shit that I honestly say sit down in second I've got some sympathy on the whip I've not got any sympathy look at him smiling look at him smiling Rashford giving away the sloppy corner the sloppy corner yeah where's the goalkeeper look at the keeper with his feet look I want him bonks in look no is that a come off of William Saliba's bottom and he blocks the goalie he comes off his bottom watch yay party look Thomas Partey free ah it's brilliant what a finish I tell you what I'll give some credit where credit's due here yeah he's whipped everyone into Naples so all the United players with the middle post and basically two of them in Arsenal players are hung out at the back end and literally just got a free head of him.

15:26Gary Neville: It's like, literally played him. I know, we can see that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but... They're going to try and stop now. They've done it earlier. They mix it up every now and again. They mix it up. You fucking point at you, Castle. You see what we've got? We haven't whip it in. Declan will whip it in. Oh, yeah, yeah. Right, yeah, yeah. Oh, there's a second. He's fouling. There's fouls everywhere. There you go. Wait, who's fouling who? No, it's not Ambole. They're looking at handball. They're looking at handball. It's handball. Possible offside. What? Yeah, he's offside. He's come from in there. He's come from here.

15:55Gary Neville: He's offside. Come on, VAR. He's got his socks down. Do something for us. This is perfect. No, he's not offside. He's ahead of him. I'll celebrate again. Yeah. Can we go now?

16:14Gary Neville: We're going to go to the tunnel incident, Patrick. Which one? Where is it? We're going to have a look. We're going to have a look. So we're going to show you the tunnel incident. Show it, Gary. And to be fair, because we've all seen the tunnel incident before, actually. Oh, gee. It'd be wrong not to show it. Well, you're just showing it from back because the people can't see this. Yeah, but I'm trying to get the... There we go. So before I show it, the context of this is that... And this is the thing that I think I remember at the time. So we're warming up before the game. You imagine. So this didn't start here in the tunnel, right?

16:45Gary Neville: We're warming up before the game, as you do. I'm practising my headers. Patrick's doing what he's doing over there. So I run down the tunnel at Highbury, tight tunnel. You know the tunnel. And I can hear all of a sudden, you're like a doom, these thuds behind me and him shouting my name or you or something like that. And he ran up behind me in the tunnel and he went, you won't kick our fucking players today or something. Do you remember that, Patrick? That was planned. Planned by who, you? Not by me. Or by Arsene Wenger? I said no. The boss wasn't like that. So was it because of the game at Old Trafford earlier in the season?

17:20Because of the nine years I spent there, I didn't like you at all. Man United or Gary Levin? Hey, that's a victory.

17:35It's a win-win. No, but it's true, honestly. I couldn't stand you because you were just kicking everybody. and especially Robert. You sure it wasn't Phil? No, it was him. I'm 100 % sure. And at that game, I was just like, I have to... Make him know. To make you aware that today you're not going to touch Robert. Because I knew that was the plan for you because you struggle against Robert. And when... It's all against me. And he was like, no, today I will have to tell you, leave him alone. Did Robert say anything to you about it? No. No. But I felt that you were over the top against him. The game earlier in the season at Old Trafford,

18:24Gary Neville: to be honest, it got to the point where we were aggressive. That left side of ours was unbelievable. And Robert was quite really nice. He just stepped up and he's just like, but he's too nice to complain. And I think at the time you went over the top. It was too much. And it was too obvious. and obviously because of United controlling all the referees and all the stuff like that. So, that's illegal. That's the first ever lawsuit on Stakes of Football.

18:56You know what a burpee is, though. I don't. Can you show us a bit? You know what a burpee is? No, I don't. Honestly, I don't. You're going to do a burpee, girl, or not? Do a quick burpee. Then you jump up. Do a quick burpee, girl. Can you see him? Can you get Gary doing his burpee? Don't forget, he was drunk. He was pissed at the time, so... Go on, girl.

19:10Gary Neville: So basically, this young, this fit lad, he's probably about 30, and I'm like, I'll do you at burpees, I will, I will. And Joseph Finn, I will keep going till I do you at burpees. Yes. That's good. Oh, look at the chest out. I'll tell you what, that's good. We could join him. Great form. Yeah, we get it, we get it. Okay, so now that you can do that, can we bring in the things? Because we want to see. Oh, shit. Is this to try and do a pull-up? Watch out, don't let anyone. We think that you've got to have a go at trying to see if you can do one. Why don't these guys show us how many they can do for...

19:42Honestly, I've got... Steve. Who's going to hold it? Steve, are you going to have a goal? Don't worry about it. You have to put a box underneath it. Steve, show us how it's done. Jesus. He's got muscles. Come on, Steve, lad. Two arms are one. Oh, look at that. Wow, Steve. Steve! Get away. Go. I can't do it. Go on, guys. Take your time. Take your time. Take your time, guys. Come on, guys. and never get gone free free goddamn stuff go go go go go you look amazing you look amazing pull ups I've never had a new pull ups come on

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21:19Gary Neville: If you were playing outside our house, I'd shut the curtains. There'll be stories from our playing days, we'll be answering all your questions and we'll be having lots of fun along the way. Do you get recognised down the abattoir? Do you know what, right? The boomer's going to be crucial. absolutely the greatest bowl of all time. Would you agree with that? No. No? No. Stick to cricket brought to you by Betfair.

21:47Gary, I'm not feeling the Christmas spirit from you. Are you a Christmas movie watcher? Not really. I know. I'm not feeling it. I'd love to see what you're like on Christmas. Do you chill or are you still all over the gaff? I chill out, yeah. Yeah. It's not great, it's not brilliant though,

22:02Gary Neville: is it, after the first couple of hours? Oh, I love it. What do you mean? Is that controversial? No, it's not brilliant, is it? I mean, it's like, what I don't like about it, you eat at a weird time, like three o 'clock, and I like eating at like nine, one and one. You eat at three. You're not making it down. You eat at three, what do you do at seven? You're out of kilter, you know what I mean? It's like... One day of the year, you're out of kilter. No, you are, aren't you? Hey, listen, you know when it's something to the first time, this type of stuff, so just start working at Sky, and we get the games or whatever so you can go away for New Year.

22:39We're in Dubai, wasn't we? So I've just, but I haven't arranged to meet him or not so I've just gone into this restaurant or something and he's there, oh, whoa, whoa, all the kids and that are there. So it's like about eight o 'clock, waiting for the fireworks and all. He just got up and walked off with the family now. I went, where are you going? He went, I'm going to bed.

22:55Gary Neville: I went, it's New Year's here. He said, don't give a fuck. I've never seen New Year's Day in. Have you not? No, maybe once on the Millennium. We had a party on the Millennium. but I've never seen New Year's Day. I don't stay up till 12 o 'clock. I think it's really weird that people stay up till 12 o 'clock. They literally keep their eyes open. Everybody else is wrong. Everyone stays up till 12 o 'clock and then they wish I could be New Year and then they go to bed. Yeah. We've got to get your missus as a guest on here. Yeah, we are. That woman's amazing. She deserves a medal done, Chad. On Christmas Day, you're still regimented.

23:31Yeah.

23:32Gary Neville: No, it's not but I don't like the disruption to the Asian pattern. It's seven, you can just have a bottle of Huel. What was that? Could you imagine doing that? Please welcome... Jill Neville. No way. Welcome to the show, Jill Neville. I hope he's not... Oh, my gosh. It's Jill Neville. Let's hug her. Brilliant. Oh, gosh. Oh, Gary needs mum me. Thank you. Get a chair for Jill Neville Hello, are you? Hello, that's Neville How are you? Oh no This is the best Jill we've ever had on stick to the world Totally It's great to see you Firstly, the first question you ask is What was Gary like when he was growing up?

24:21Because this is the Gary I know Judging by Emma, what Emma's saying 100 mile an hour He's not changed a bit No What was he like when he was like Three or four? What was he like that age? Just still the same. On the go all day long. So, yeah. And he had, like, two younger children as well, so, yeah. Very involved, very helpful. Yeah. He was a lovely boy. No. He was. He was, yeah, yeah, he was. Do you always feel like, you're looking at him and he's growing up, did you always feel that he was going to be as successful as he's been? That drive? I don't think you do, really, in the end, do you? he always wanted to be a footballer he always wanted to play for United and you just do anything you can do to help them to do it and if it worked it worked if not you move on and do something else don't you but what was it in the environment because all your kids are successful it's incredible it was hectic it was hectic every night of the week I bet you had to do a lot of driving about all over the place yes

25:25Gary Neville: but do you know the main thing was we actually got into sport by going watching my mum rounders, hockey and netball. She played constantly. Still plays netball now. Yeah. Wow. What position? Goal shooter. Wow. How old do you know? 70? You can't say that. Did you never have a woman's name? Sport was used in your family. The sport was what drove you all on. It was everything. Everything. Everything. It was our life. That's all we did. Never went on holidays. Just went with cricket and football and everywhere. Everywhere. Netball, everywhere. What's your favourite footballing memory of Gary?

26:06I think probably coming on in the European game when he was 17 at Old Trafford. He came on and seemed to dominate it. He wasn't frightened, he just went all out for it. I think the 99 winning that was brilliant, the three. We went to all of them and it was brilliant that. I think every time he played, it was fabulous. I never had a bad game, according to my mum. Nice. No, no. Is it true you took Gary to Bury when you were the club secretary there? Yeah, yeah. What happened with that? Well, Neville used to be the commercial manager, and I was the company secretary. So he used to go with his dad to the away games, he used to come to the home games every Saturday with Philip.

26:47Yeah. It must have been amazing watching your two... Wow. I know your daughter done brilliant, for the two sons playing for Man United. It must have been surreal, was it? So proud. Absolutely. So proud and surreal, yeah. Because they always wanted to do that, but you always think, well... Yeah. If they wanted to do it, we'd do 100%, you know, send them to bed early at night and things like that. That's where that come from. Yeah. On a Saturday night, all his friends used to stay up and watch Match Day and films. He was in bed at 8 o 'clock, him and Phil. Because his dad said, if you want to be a footballer, you've got to have discipline.

27:21That's right. I love that. So, he did.

27:26Gary Neville: Do you think it was harsh leaving Foden out? No. The Foden one frustrates us so much. He's not an out-and-out winger. Like, at City... No, because can I just say, at City... No, at City, though... Where do you play him? You're going to say an agent. Only English people ask that. Only English people ask that about these players. What are you talking about? Where would you play him? Oh, my God. No, no, stop saying, oh, my God, for thinking. What I'm saying to you is... Where would you put him? No, what I'm saying to you is... He played every position for England. he hasn't done it we all love him he's amazing for Man City he hasn't done it for England stop saying oh my god every time I speak we treat him like a used car he's not a used car he hasn't done enough for England he got picked ahead of Saka before Saka he was in the England team before Saka he was in the England team before Bellingham those two grabbed their chance and took it and there's no way they're getting left out so tell me where he's playing you've been on the coaching staff tell me where he's playing what happens what happens with players like Phil Foden is because they're more flexible and a bit more versatile because Bellingham He has to play where he plays.

28:22How can he be a flexible guy when he's not doing it for England? He hasn't got it for England. How can he be more flexible?

28:28Gary Neville: What I'm saying is because he basically is flexible, he does get moved around. You play him number 10, then you play him left wing, then you play him right wing, and you move him around. It happens with players like that. He's lucky they're moving him around. Because if he didn't mean just judging him one position, he wouldn't play or have as many caps. We all love Phil Fogel. Phil Fogel's a brilliant player. You can't play him in 10 for England. In front of June. That's why I'm asking him. No, but I think if you're playing three in midfield, you could play with Foden and Bellingham. You could play with...

28:56Gary Neville: Why could against Latvia or whoever they played the other day, before that, why could not play Bellingham and Foden in there? You could have done with the managers something different. I'm just saying, you've asked me where I would play him. I'm saying in those games... What do you mean? A second ten? Yeah, two. It's a normal system. It's 4-3-3. I'm not coming up with a system here that's wild. It's two players in front of Declan Rice. Don't say two tens. It's two number eights or tens, whatever you want to call it. It's basically... Why can't Ford and Bellingham play here? Like, David Silva...

29:28Gary Neville: Why have you seen Ford and Astor play it on there? David Silva and De Bruyne did it for years at City. No-one said... And Fernandinho was behind them. No-one said, oh, this shit, that's a bad system, we're open. So would you play that in a big game in a tournament, would you? Oh, you just asked me where I play him. I've told you where I play him. You're going to have a question. Yeah, but, Gal, what's he done in... Like, we're talking about 20 games. When he gets to run a game in the 10, he's a great player. People like Morgan Gibbs-White is waiting for an opportunity. Even Morgan from... Morgan Rodgers.

29:57Morgan Rodgers. I think I would want to try them in that position.

30:00Gary Neville: If we demean rubbish Phil Foden into someone that basically is in the same level as the players that you just mentioned, I think that's where we're going. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's about the best players. What about form? It's the age-old thing with England. Some players have to be informed to play. Other players will get played irrespective of the club form. So managers with England for the years have been to eight tournaments, and I know how they think, is that ultimately, Harry Kane, doesn't matter what he scored in his last five games for his club, he's going to play for England.

30:32Gary Neville: Fact. Shearer didn't score all the way up to the Euros. Les was never going to play. Fowler was never going to play. It's going to be Shearer because he's just Shearer, right? Foden should be that player for me. What? Oh, what are you talking about? I agree. in front of Bellingham in front of Southampton not in front of Bellingham I just told you where he played so he's going to play as a number 8 a position he doesn't even play for Man City he plays off the front for City quite a lot he doesn't he played off the front for City he played off Haaland in a week let me finish you say we keep moving around he gets to move around for City he plays on the left he plays on the right he plays on the middle so stop talking about this he gets to move around he gets to move around around.

31:14He gets moved around for City. I haven't stopped talking. In the summer, basically, Garrett Southgate looked to Foden and was like, he's the best player in the Premier League. I've got to find a place for him. But he's not done enough in an England shape better than Saka to play there. He's not done enough more than Bellingham in an England shape to play there. So everyone's saying, why are they playing Phil Foden on the left? They're playing him there because they're trying to get him in somewhere. He did.

31:41Gary Neville: You've been an England coach. You played Eric Dijk old midfield who were these fantastic players at the time that you didn't play in the summer in the summer the context of in the summer the context of Foden having been at the tournament and watched him was that he was playing on the left right he was told to play wide at that time at one point and the next time he was coming inside however he had no left back right so basically what happened in the summer he kept basically playing with Trippier at left back and Trippier kept coming inside and he never got any service the balls into him were shit right honestly the context of how you fit him into a team in my opinion I maybe have a higher opinion of Phil Foden than people around this table I don't think you do I've got a higher opinion with City you've got some of the best players in the world to be honest with you so I can see why he sort of half gets moved around a bit for City City are a lot better than England by the way let's be clear for him to get in that City team as he does is an absolute feat in itself because of how good they've been for five years winning trebles and all the rest of it so for England in my opinion he is a level where he is a level with Bellingham that's where I see him what I do think Phil Foden when I watch him play.

32:41He seems like a shy lad, which is five. Everyone's different. I don't think he's almost got that arrogance on the pitch for England that I see Bellingham. I think that holds him back a little bit. This thing about him, he's been tried in every position. I saw England do this with Paul Scholes.

32:56Gary Neville: We're doing exactly the same with Phil Fogarty. Can I just say, though, with City... Should Scholes have played for England then? Pardon? So, people always say this about him playing. Do you want me to give you a position for him as well? Paul Scholes has been on this show and sat here. Paul Scholes himself said he. He said it wasn't a problem. I played there a lot for Man United. I wasn't playing well enough at the time. That's why Lampard and Gerrard come in. Maybe he's being really humble and he's telling a lie. He is being humble. Let me just fill you in on Paul Scholes. So when Paul Scholes played with Glenn Hoddle and we played with three at the back, two wing-backs and we played with three in midfield and two up top, Paul Scholes was perfect in that three in midfield.

33:31Gary Neville: He had three centre-backs behind him. He played his best football for England because he had a position to play in. We played with Sven. We were rigid 4-4-2. Absolute rigid. You know that, and that's a fact. If we'd have played 4-3-3, Paul Scholes wouldn't have been the holding player at that point in his career, but he would have been one of the ones in front. So, Steven Gerrard might have been there, Lampard might have been there, and Scholes might have been there, and that might have been a three in midfield with Scholes in. So that's where he would have played, and we abused him for years and ended up retiring him to the point whereby, because the system 4-4-2 was rigid, and we weren't going to change it.

34:04Gary Neville: If Glenn Hoddle had stayed as manager, Paul Scholes would have played 100 times for England. OK, so you know this, we always talk about this, the Golden, this team of 2004, 2006 and stuff like that. So 4-3-3. Who's the other front three? Who's the front three? Oh, my goodness gracious. I just want to know, guys. So it's David Beckham. So if you're playing 4-3-3, is David Beckham a right-wing guy? I've given you my system. So Wayne Rooney, who was the player of the tournament 2004, is he going on the left or is Michael Owen going on the left? I've given you my system before, Cara. Who's going where?

34:35Gary Neville: Cara, I've given you my system before. Well, tell me who's going on the left wing. OK, Cameron, do you want me to go back through with this? No, I'm wondering. Now you'll tell me. So you're taking Wayne Rooney out of the middle? I'm not taking Wayne out of the middle. Do you want me to give you the team? Yes, please. So you want me to give you the team in hindsight? You want me to go scorer? I don't know. I can't have Michael Owen on the left. I can't. I can't. Liam. Right, I'll give you the team. Go on, give us the team. Right, it's Owen and Rooney up front. It's Gerard Scholes and Lampard in midfield.

34:57Gary Neville: It's Ashley Cole at left wing back. It's David Beckham at right wing back. and then you've got Saul Campbell, John Terry and Rio Ferdinand. That's the team I would have picked and maybe I might have suffered. I might have gone in on the odd timers, right centre-back instead of one of those three lads to go out behind Bex. The reality is that's the system we should have played with that squad because we had the two best players up front, we had the three best players in midfield and we had three unbelievable centre-backs and we had good wing-backs. He might have gone again. We had unbelievable...

35:20Gary Neville: He's gone fucking quiet, hasn't he? Because he knows that's right. Did you just say 4-3-3 before that? For Foden! You didn't! You said the Punks calls and... Brooklyn Eriksen? I'm just talking about Foden and Bellingham now. I'm not talking about the system for the golden generation to get skulls. Can I be honest? That team you just put out there. Not a bad team, is it? Great team. Glenodden's team. Did that win a tournament? I think so. I'm not sure. What, that team? No, goalkeeper.

35:48Gary Neville: You said you were calm and you are calm and you were quite consistent in all your press conferences but the one where you lost your... No, I didn't lose anything. You looked flustered. You looked more... animated. This was premeditated. You look more animated than you look more animated. You said that I was cracking up. What means cracking up? Did I say that? Yeah, you said that. Maybe, yeah. Probably. Rafa's cracking up. That was the same one. It was me. He'd be doing that to DJ next week. Spinning his disc. Rafa's got it. What means cracking up? I don't understand the meaning. You're animated.

36:25No, no, no. You're animated. No, no, no. Animated, I know. I understand. Cracking up.

36:29Gary Neville: Cracking up. Who is cracking up? Him and Valencia. It means the pressure was getting to you at that point. No, it's the opposite. And you reacted differently. It's the opposite, and I will tell you why. We went to Old Trafford, and it was a boy with a father. He has a big banner. Rafa is cracking up. And we beat you one four. You were cracking up because he was... Ferguson was so worried about us that he was using everything that he has in his book to create... But why did you let that get to you? You have two games in hand. When we were ahead, you have two games in hand because you play in the World Cup.

37:07Then you come back and then you won the games. And then you have some draws and then obviously you were doing well. Cracking up, I was joking. Because the last 11 games, we drew one against Arsenal 4-4 at home. And we won 10. So we were not cracking up. The problem is that you had extra time. And then you played seven minutes extra. and then you scored against Aston Villa with Makeda. What season was this we're talking about? 2009. But what I'm saying to you is you reacted very differently in that press conference. Let me explain to you. We played four games after international games and Champions League games.

37:41We played four games at home, eight games away. United was playing eight games at home, even on Sunday, and four games away. Why? Ferguson was complaining about, oh, we played the second part of the league against the top side at home. Yeah, everybody wants to play at home. the second part of the league. So he was complaining. And then I said, oh, you can decide the fixture. You can decide what you want. But we were playing four games away, 12.45 kickoff. And I have to defend my club. And then you, the only way for us, because I could see that you were progressing and the way that the games were going on with the extra time, blah, blah, blah.

38:19I said, listen, we will lose. One game's bad. We will lose. It was Howard Webb with that penalty against Tottenham. Jesus. A lot of things. And then another one, a handball of Ferdinand they did like that and it was a corner anyway I could see that he doesn't hold on to it it's just a corruption there or something I could see I could see that then I said the only chance that we have is if you lose against Chelsea at home then I was analysing the fixtures this is the game so I wanted to be sure that there was a 11 playing field game and everybody will be focused on that and anything strange can happen the problem is that you won 2-0 because they filed Scolari later on and then you were better or whatever.

39:01And then we lost this chance. But after we were winning...

39:05Gary Neville: You're saying that you were in control at that press conference. I can answer that because the game you played against Chelsea was on Sky. And I was playing for... I got asked to do the game for Sky. I actually did the game in the box and I asked you if it was OK. So you were still playing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And did Sky? Yeah, yeah. So on the Thursday or Friday when I asked you, you said to me, I'm going to go against Ferguson in the press conference. I knew something was coming. So it wasn't like someone asked... Off the cuff. Yeah, it was like you prepared what you were going to do. And then you could see, because as you say, my press conference, but it was very clear.

39:41So I needed to make the points. Nobody was complaining about the points.

39:45Gary Neville: What were the points you made? I don't remember. Obviously, you said facts and you said this. The games in the Champions League. We were playing... Oh, so the 12.45 kick-offs. So you were playing on Sunday. I watched Aston Villa, one of the games. You were playing on Sunday at home. And we were playing in Sunderland. We were playing in Forsmoot, blah, blah, blah. That's the computer. That's the computer.

40:10Gary Neville: If Palace win tonight, it would be brilliant. What? There's nothing more demoralising than winning the league when you're at home at 10 o 'clock and you can't organise tonight. I was going to... I was going to ask you this, if you've ever won the league, not at all. Sorry? If you've ever won the league, not at all. Yeah. And being at home in your house. Oh, really? My first ever league title was basically at home. Oh, no, second league title was being at home. I was home in my house on a Monday night. And did you all meet up and party? We met up, yeah. Did you? Tell me what happened with you and Phil in your house on that Monday night.

40:44Gary Neville: No, it was Tuesday night. You'll remember that if Liverpool were playing at Wimbledon away. Wimbledon got beat two on. We went to the Hacienda. What? night? On a Tuesday night. With you and Phil? Me and Phil. No way. Seriously. It's empty. It's me and Phil like Jed would.

41:05Oh, I'm glad to have been on that one with you and Phil.

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