Roy Shows No Mercy for Nuno & Problems with Trent & Foden | Stick to Football 93

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1:22I was walking straight down there. Isn't that there?

1:24Gary Neville: Well, I don't know.

1:28He's not here yet. Where is he? Do you know where he is? Don't know. Do you want to host? Did you get extra money? Yeah. Hell of a go. It's just too much space here. Hi, everyone. Should we all swap places? I have the worst seat. That's the worst seat. I do have the worst seat. When does it guess I get a side strain? I've actually got the worst seat. Look, I'm like all the way over here. Oh, this is much better for my knee. Yeah. Oh, this is better. The leg room. Yeah. What's this here? Go on, then you host it. Do your heel advert. Come on. This is the beginning bit. It's beautiful. I said, now, how does it?

2:09See, I've got that in my head now. Right, here's what the team's look. Oh, this is better. Leg room. This is. I think the people. I have the worst seat. The people with the longest legs should go there. Is this like a... What is this? Is it a coaster or something?

2:22Gary Neville: There's just loads of stuff under there for different things, like Super 6, and we did a train line map. I'm always looking after Roy's phone under there. If you can call at that. Oh, no, stop. I thought you might have been badgers. You look so cool, Ben. Do you want the tea? Please, mate, yeah. You know something? It's weird sitting over here. Is it going to be a pig? Watch when Gary comes. I like it here. What are you going to say? Don't move. No, I want to stay here. Well, can Gary still host it from there? Yeah, but then he won't like it because the camera angle won't be right because it's got to be there.

2:52Look, Roy. Technology. I have the worst spot there. You know when there's a guest on, I get a side strain because I have to look at the guest like this. And I get a side strain because I have to look at you. You think I'm joking. I get a side strain. As if I don't look at the guest, I think I'm being rude. It's a tough life.

3:07Gary Neville: Honestly, if you were getting paid... You didn't mind getting side strains for Dennis Irwin. Bloody hell. Look at this cool Look at this cool here I love that writing This is cool You've got that Jamie You haven't got this Give me the trainer for I think I'd like it for you You keep pushing super keynote What did we find out The name of the character in Up or not No I don't know Just Google it It too looked like I don't know what looks What's the name of the old fella in the film Up Because I want to change his name to Kieran Can I make a suggestion What We know this is the best podcast in the world, but if anyone was thinking we're going on another podcast, I've just been on one, which is really good.

3:47What is it? What was it? You know Fenners from Soccer.ion? Yeah, yeah. He's got this idea where he goes through your foot... I'm not a massive football, but he goes through your boots. Oh. That takes you to games, if you know what I mean. Oh, that's good. What, the football boots you wore? So the first pair of boots you ever wore as a kid. Wow. He'll get them, he'll find them. Wow. Some retro guy, some boot person, he'll have them. Do you remember what boots you had? No, I'm not. First one. First one. So for me, it was good because he was showing me pictures. I was like, I didn't have a clue. First boots I had was a pair of power.

4:16They were called power. I had a pair of them. Yeah, the power boots. Gal, we don't want to sit over there. That's the worst seat. My legs. Yes, Gary. I'm serious. You've got all the legs.

4:27Gary Neville: You can't do that. No, it'll stress his mind out. You want me to sit over there, Gal? I feel like a new man over here. My legs. I can't look at my legs. You know something? I don't like the fact that my knee hurts. I know, but he needs order, don't you? You keep saying Amaran needs to be adaptable. Yeah. He sticks with the three of the back. I sat on the same coach seat for 15 years. Did you? Eating Weetabix. Doing running on the spot. Come on. Jesus. Are we moving? I won't mess with this hair. Yeah, we have to move because like... But that is... You wouldn't move anyway. I would have moved. You wouldn't move.

5:04I would have moved, yeah.

5:07Gary Neville: We decided to wear our favourite iron hoodies today and our matching glasses. We're going to Kieran's town, Mian's store in Liverpool. And what's the name of the street that it's on? It's Peter's Lane. We'll be there as well, me and Ben. Why are you going? Because we've got to go film it, don't we? Oh. So Ben, Super 6 Ben, and Kieran, our friend from Liverpool, is going to join in Cara on Mian's store in Liverpool. Make sure you get down there.

5:35Gary Neville: The narrative that was like, you're better off being Alexander Isaac because you get your move than being Mark Gay who doesn't. In the long run, 70 years of your life, it'll pay you back being like Mark Gay. Tuchel's looking at this one as, right, this is the gamer. We bossed it. I think you're amazing. Jimmy, we've been seeing this for a while. Exactly. That, from your manager, I think it's a massive criticism. He's got no power. Listen, be careful what you wish for. Everybody thinks that they're going to go in and be the one that's going to be able to sort him out. What's the sign of insanity?

6:06What's the sign of insanity? Doing the same thing over again. I don't think I expected a different result. You shake hands with the devil. Good luck.

6:19Jill, how did you go on in your acting? What acting? You were doing a combination street. Oh, yeah, how did it go? It was for League of the Rown, and I had to do a bar scene. It was so hard. How many lines did you have? I had to do a proper Manchester accent. How many lines did you have? Not many. I just had to say, I'm here for the bar job.

6:40Why was he shouting? It was so bad. Why was he shouting? I don't know. You didn't shout like that, did you? Yeah, it was so bad. It was so bad. Are we going to see on one of the episodes? It's on one of the episodes, but... What did you say again? Jamie Redknapp did it really well, so... How did he do, Jamie? Because he's like... He was good. He was just good. But he was ad-libbing. That's what happened. You've got to improvise as an actor, you've got to... But I love combination strings. Who was the most favourite? Was it Beth or Gilroy? In what? Beth Gilroy. Betty Lynch Betty Betty's hot pot is still there as well I wouldn't want it Oh the old guy

7:15Gary Neville: Vera and Jack Yeah Ken Barlow I saw an article this morning 92 92 He's the longest serving actor in a role in the world ever Yeah 65 years And he still goes in and he's Yeah I met my favourite Roy Roy Cropper From Roy's Wolves Do you just watch Combination Street? I used to Oh, I love it. It's so iconic. Honestly, I was like running down them cobbles, looking for all the actors and actresses. I think I'm going to have a restraining order if I try and go back. So you've done the scene in The Rover's Return? Yeah, it was amazing with Chesley. Did you serve a real drink in there? Did I read that?

7:52Did you serve a real drink? It was like a pump, but I don't know if it's like pop a beer. I think it's like apple juice. So explain the scene. You walk in. You walk in and you could create your character. So I was like a bit of a chav. I thought I looked like a bit of a chab So you played yourself? Yeah, yeah, yeah I thought it was supposed to be fictional And then I had to do Manchester accent And I had to ask for a bar job And then, yeah, that was it And then they were like And then Chesney walks in You know Chesney who works in the kebab shop? In the kebab shop And basically I've stole a kebab So I have to go And then run out It was really fun Did you like it?

8:29How many times did you have to do it? How did you get out, Jill? Three times No, it was for League of the Roan Oh, it's not actually going out Yes, it's Jamie. It'll be on the show. Yeah. So, yeah. What did you say? Sorry, I didn't say anything. Did you say I stole a kebab? No, no. From before that. What was it? Let's not miss out. She said something like, I'm going for a bar job. And just...

8:52Gary Neville: Low humour. Did you watch EastEnders? What are you walking in a bar? At the start, I did. I liked Danny Dyer in it and that, but, like, not really. Danny Dyer, was he at the start? No, he wasn't at the start. It was Dirty Den, isn't it? It was Dirty Den and Angie. Angie, yeah. Yeah. Are you more EastEnders then? No, I'm not. No, correlation. You strike as like Emmerdale? Yeah, you've got Emmerdale energy. Is that a compliment, Jill? Yeah. No, never. They live on a farm. Happy. I watched the Australian, I watched the Australian, what's the Australian? Neighbours. Yeah, I watched that. Neighbours in Home and Away, wasn't it?

9:26I remember that as a kid. I was younger, yeah. A lot of good actors came out, like. Kylie Minogue in Neighbours. I knew you were going to see you fancy someone. Did you like her? Oh, my God, she was amazing. She should be so lucky. When I was 16 or 17, I was out of school, I used to get up. This was the time I used to get up for. I was in between jobs. I used to get up at 1 o 'clock to get up. I used to get up to watch Neighbours. No way. I'd get out of bed at 1 o 'clock, yeah. To watch Neighbours? Or to see Kylie. Well, just to get out of bed. I was getting out of bed at 1 o 'clock.

9:56Gary Neville: Well, it's a good point. I was handed this before. Wow. Do I mention Kylie in that? It's a shoot magazine. with Roy. I probably bought that when I was younger. There was a question. It says, which part of your body would you change if you had the chance? You said this before and I said none. No, it's a different answer. It is, it's still none. No part of it. I'm happy with the way it is, so I wouldn't change the nose or the ears or anything. At least the women tell me they are quite happy with how I look. I was misquoted. At least the women tell me they are quite happy with how I look. You know what, he would probably be in your throwaway at the end.

10:34Yeah, thanks, Ian. Because I know my... Having a bit of a laugh, you know, a character. It would have been a different character. What's some of the other questions?

10:40Gary Neville: If you were given£1 million tomorrow, what would you spend it on? I'd spend it on the lads. I'd make sure we'd have a good summer.

10:48How old were you on there?

10:50Gary Neville: He's young. How old are you there? 25? No, I wouldn't. So you can guess the answer on this one. Okay. If you had a film made of your life, who would you choose to play the starring roles? Who did he think would play Roy Keane? When I was younger. Not you, just leave that. Let's have a guess first. Who would you say play him? Tom Cruise. No, sure. No, not far away. That era, though.

11:19Gary Neville: Who was the heroes back then in the big films? so what are you is that mid 90s 80s 90s Tom Hanks or something like that 80s 90s 80s 90s Harrison Ford yeah oh my god how did he do that he was cool wasn't he Harrison Ford what was the Temple of Doom what was it called so do you remember Raiders of the Lost Ark yeah Raiders of the Lost Ark and Star Wars of course what's the most exciting thing about playing for United what oh Look at the boots in the back there, right? We were just talking about boots. Maybe stepping out at Old Trafford. No, no. The bonuses.

12:04Honestly, I used to get this shooting religiously.

12:07Gary Neville: He says, we are always winning, and that means getting plenty of bonuses. I didn't see that. I used to always read them. I used to read them if I saw them. Roy, we've had your contracts. What were the team bonuses back then in the early days for a three-point? I'd foster a United. Was it 450, I remember, for a win? 450 for a win, 150 for a draw. Yeah, a point, yeah. When I first came in. 150 a point. I didn't think you should get a bonus for a draw. Yeah, you would. Because I feel like that wouldn't be a standard. Yeah, cliche, 0-0. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. But obviously only bonuses then. I can imagine my players now are getting a finish in top four, or as obviously to win the league.

12:46Do you think they get win bonuses now then? Yeah, they do. And what would it be? Oh, I lost. Well, is it once you finish? I had an hour and a half. I had an hour and a half. I had crazy bonuses. No, truthfully. No, but they've got to win to get it. I don't know.

12:59Gary Neville: Chills kick me right there. I don't know. Not you. The social media gang will be after you. Here we go. I'm going to keep going with this, actually. Go on, then. It's getting more interesting. How do you feel about agents? How does he feel about them? He wouldn't like agents. You know, travel agent, estate agent? Yeah. What? Football agents. Well, I wouldn't say that properly, Gary. Yeah. I've just said what he said. He wouldn't be keen on agents. Is it a one-word answer? I've spoken to hundreds of agents over the last few years, but I basically didn't trust any of them until I spoke to the PFA.

13:25Gary Neville: There's no 20 % of this or that. They just charge a reasonable fee. Ooh. Good advice, Roy. Thanks. Yeah. So were PFA representing you? I would have definitely got some advice off him, yeah. I've changed a little bit since I finished. I never had an agent, as you know, and I don't think you did. I think when I look now at players, particularly at the top level, I think I'd probably say you need representation. you need someone to represent you agent tells me they're going to come in get your contract done and take a load of money off you that's how it feels but a representative someone to go in and represent you and sort of yeah I'm not knocking all agents when people say to me any advice for young players or young sports I do say get a good accountant whatever other agencies have your own independent accountant I think I wish I had one of them when I was a bit younger did you see that programme last week with the lads about the players tough watch Oh, honestly.

14:16They'd lost millions, didn't they? I know we all make mistakes. Everyone, most sports people do, but you'd feel for them. You know why you feel for them? I'll tell you why, Roy, because a lot of people will not have a lot of sympathy for the lads just because of their footballers and that. But the fact is, all they're trying to do is secure the future for all. That's all it is. That's all you're trying to do. And you are getting people who are coming to you, because I had it myself. We've all had it already, yeah. They are elite-level financial people. That's what my lawyer said to me. elite level.

14:45You're dealing with Messi and Zidane in respect to the financial world. So when they come in and they're explaining to you, it'll be fine, asking them to sign things when it's layered so you can't sit and you're just signing your name. And then people say, well, why are you so stupid? Why didn't you get... Because you trusted these people. You saw them at football matches with them, with their

15:04Gary Neville: families at family gatherings. It's interesting you say that, right? I mean, I've been able to withstand it, but But I got advised from a player to invest in a pension when I was playing and moved my PFA pension into this different pension. Because I was frustrated by the PFA pension because it was just stuck there, wasn't doing anything. I was quite entrepreneurial. I thought, okay, is there another pension that I could go to? So this player came up to me and said, invest in this pension. I'm not talking about any player. It's a player I really trusted, you know what I mean? It always comes through that, girl.

15:33Gary Neville: I put my money into this pension where you could actually then go and invest into commercial property or you could go and invest into property that means you could actually see some benefit of it at least. the whole thing about 10 years ago. It's locked up to this day, so I've got three properties that I just can't even touch, can't even go in, can't get any money out of. I've lost all the money in it. Who's got the benefit of it then? It's a trustee now that looks after it, like are taking over it and basically managing it on behalf of all the people. So it's not just me. Do you get any money from it?

15:59Gary Neville: Nothing. So you can't access it? There's 150 people in this pension. So if you're a cash holder in that pension, which I was a bit of both cash and property, you lost all your cash straight away that went. They'd invested it into Lichtenstein, into something, and literally without telling anybody. So it's a fraud thing as well that's going on behind this. And then the second thing was if your property was in there, obviously your property's there. Yeah. But what's happening is all the people who've lost the cash are basically saying that they own part of the property because it's a collective fund.

16:26Gary Neville: So it's just completely and utterly stuck. Ten years, and I'm like, literally, it's like a lot of money. You know what I mean? Yeah, but I just got to give you advice. And to be fair, I was, maybe I look back now and I think, why not just leave it where it was? You know what I mean? It's like, why not just leave it in a safe place? it's there lost everything thankfully I've been lucky that I'm able to earn money in different places but I can see why lads just by following an experienced player who's got an advisor who's a bit dodgy I think all of us will have stories like that I've gone into one or two things lost a lot of money again people you trust that's why I go back to it I'd say to any young sports person any young person get a good accountant some make mistakes I think we've all got these stories all horror stories like that and we're always it's human nature isn't it everyone's always trying to make a little bit more I've got that I can invest here and make a little bit more and the more I think about it now we've all been probably lucky that we've earned good money from football maybe even TV now no business you ever go into provides you a bit more than that and it's like that's so you're always you're always hear someone don't you oh property or this and you think oh they're clever but sometimes you've got to think what's your strength our strength is being involved in football and it's paid us well that's our thing theirs is property theirs is something else theirs is something else sometimes it's a case of just going you know what we don't need to our investment is us our most footballers including myself we're kind of uneducated from working class backgrounds so we don't we don't get that advice when we're a bit younger and I think that's that's the pitfalls for any any young you remember the player that came to see me who was had signed a historic agent's contract and was getting 40 % of his wage taken out of him so he was paying 40 % in tax at the time, I think the rate was 40%.

18:10Gary Neville: He was getting 40 % taken off his agent. If you can't remember, in the end, I came to you and told you about it. In the end, you sorted it out with the PFA and got him out of the contract. It was, do you remember it? So he was only getting 20 % of his money? I said, he came to see me. He was actually, we were injured together. Actually, the three of us were injured together and we were training together. He was the first team player but not at the very top. He'd come from a country where basically they sort of lock players down. He was having 40, he'd signed up for a contract at I think 15 or 16 where 40 % of his money went to the agent and obviously then he comes to the country he gets 40 % taken in tax 40 % goes to the agent and then he was ending up with 20 % and he was he was an international player he was probably at that time 26 or 27 and been doing it for 8, 9 years and I was like I was horrified I came to tell you straight away and I think we went to the PFA you went and sorted it out with the PFA and he got out of this historic contract but he'd been paying it for literally 8, 9 years Did he get money back?

19:06Gary Neville: Did he get anything back? It is sad. That must have been a nightmare. The PFA have been great in the women's game because obviously we didn't really have money to invest, like say my time, but now money has come into it. The PFA have been really good. But I hope that they do get the support and help because you don't want all that age and stuff to creep in and people be like... That's a challenge for a sports person, dealing with money. And that really makes a point. Jamie brought up, but keeping your few bops safe, whatever about getting money out, just keep it safe. It sounds crazy, but if you think about it, an agent is like a person who has set up a business and they represent players.

19:44Gary Neville: But they're usually not trained accountants, they're usually not trained lawyers, and they're usually not trained negotiators. Although they can be quite savvy, some of them. And then they're investing your money for you through their agency. Now, the more, I think, reputable ones now probably have investment advice, wealth management advice and all that sort of stuff. But back in the day, these people were advising football players. they weren't just their agent that was doing their commercial deals for them, their club deals for them. They were actually saying, right, okay, now your money's coming.

20:10Gary Neville: We're going to place it into shares, stocks, whatever. That's the thing that worries me. It's like placing your money. You're not even trained as an accountant, as an advisor. But that's why you need that independent. Have an agent. Some agents are good and they do a good deal for a player. You go, listen, you're entitled to your few bob. But then don't be looking after a few bob. An accountant comes into them. And I think a good advisor, a good agent will embrace that. They won't be going, oh, keep that. If you're comfortable with an accountant coming into your discussion, don't bring him in.

20:38They really care about you. They're asking you to invest in things, but they've got people they know. And it can be. And there's a conflict of interest with a lot of this stuff. What's really sad about it, Roy, when you watch that one, is how once they realise that the players are starting to think, hang on a minute, they started paying Howard Wilkinson to keep him involved. Because, again, if you're a player, your manager's in it. Your manager's got a big say in it. And if he's still in it, so that's what... Again, this is why I can't understand where the ruling went against them and they're still going for it.

21:06Is that Howard Wilkinson was getting paid two and a half grand nearly almost to keep quiet so the players don't say, well, I'm coming out if he comes out. You know the thing about it? I text Danny because obviously Danny was at the top of the show. So I text Danny as soon as the show had finished. I said, like, not proud of you, but like, good on you type of thing. Because there's an embarrassment to it as well, isn't there? That thing of like, you feel a bit embarrassed, don't you? Like, I've lost me. We've all lost it. When they come to sell you this stuff, they're using the carrot of, you know, you don't want to end up with nothing.

21:38That's what they use. That's what you're afraid of. Them saying that, you know, you need to start putting it away because if you don't. You get afraid of that. That's what it was. I felt sorry for the guys. Obviously, you could see everything. You see the misses. You see behind their eyes. You could see the stress that they've been through. It's horrible. And we've not really seen all of it. I mean, that was just a clip of it on the TV. We've seen a bit of it. There's so much damage to lots of footballers with their marriages afterwards, addictions, and not just for that reason, bankruptcy. And remember, they're not just representing just footballers.

22:07It's people they're representing. They're just the top end of it who can give it some profile. Honestly, it's a sad story.

22:15Gary Neville: Yeah, I wish them well. Right. Lava starts a show, isn't it? You're enjoying that magazine. Where are you getting that magazine from? I probably got it from under there. Does someone want to open up to bring in this magazine in? I'd like to look at it. I used to buy these all the time. I used to buy Shoot every week. Yeah. And I'd read it in a day. And then I'd have a stack of them. And then say, for the rest of the... I used to pick random ones out from like three years ago and just read it. I used to do that. And I think that's where my knowledge or my remembering games... That's why I remembered it was Harrison Ford.

22:48Yes. All right. Do you think you actually remember that? No, Jill, it was a joke. No, but you...

22:57No, but you have got a mad memory. He's got a mad memory. You know, I love how Jill asks. It's so innocent. It is beautifully innocent, Jill. It is beautifully innocent.

23:07Gary Neville: What have you got there, girl? Just off the back of what you just said, did you have a clause in your contract, Forest contract, which said you could move on if they went down? And you've put... To be fair, this would be quite a... A player wouldn't do an interview like this now. It stated that if the club went down, I'll be allowed to leave for a certain amount of money. But did you put that into your contract then with Forrest? That's a smart move coming from Ireland where you are in terms of thinking about in that way that, God, if they go down, I'm out type thing and I can... You didn't fancy him?

23:35I've done a lot of bad things, Gary, and silly things, but that was probably one of my smart things. You know what I'd like to ask you there, Roy? You know when you're manager of Sundance, what would you have said if a player wanted that close? I didn't get involved in the contract. I'll just say I didn't get involved in anything like that. You did that purposely for that reason. Yeah, I just didn't want to get bogged down by contracts, let the board take care I never done a contract with any player Jamie I kept away from that it made my life definitely easier but Forrest obviously were reluctant to do it but we were fighting relegation I just thought I must have heard on the grave I know the players must have had clauses and so yeah and it worked out well because you see the problem players have now leaving but if you have a clause and it is kind of it is clean and Forrest was still getting a deep I wasn't trying to get a ghetto clause that was like that's cheap for Forrest Forrest was getting good money like a record so we're going yeah you could win and I could win and it makes it kind of...

24:20The way the game's gone now, clubs want that close now, don't they? Yeah, yeah. To cover themselves, yeah. To cover themselves. That shoot interview seems really serious. Usually it's like pizza or pasta. To your coffee. It's heavy. I'm discussing my contract here with them.

24:35Gary Neville: Yeah, it's the Observer. It's the Financial Times. Right, you put it... Do you get grumpy sometimes? Yes. I've got a really bad temper and it shows when people annoy me. Sometimes straight after a game if we've had a bad result and I'm in a bad mood. Yeah. if you've had a bad result you have to stay out of the way It's good you've changed though over the years This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing Hall of Fame Oh yeah, congratulations What do you think of the Hall of Fame? I'm not a fan of the Hall of Fame You were one of the first inductees Roy, in the Hall of Fame So let's just go through who's in the Hall of Fame It came out this week the nominees So year one Alan Shearer Thierry Omri, Eric Cantona, Roy Keane, Frank Lampard, Dennis Bergkamp, Steven Gerrard, David Beckham.

25:25Gary Neville: That's all in year one. So, right, so was there, these were all nominated or got in? Yeah, yeah, so was there more players nominated? Yeah, yeah, there's 15 nominated, so I'll come to the ones for this year. Wayne Rooney, Patrick Vieira, Sergio Aguero, Didier Drogba, Vincent Kompany, Schmeichel, Scholes, Ian Wright, year two. Yeah, Ian Wright got in, yeah. Year three, they've pulled back a little bit in year four. They've gone Tony Adams, Petr Cech, Rio Ferdinand, answer Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger. They've added managers to it. 2024, Ashley Cole, Andy Cole, John Terry. And the nominees for this year are Sol Campbell, Michael Carrick, Jermaine Defoe...

25:58Gary Neville: Steady. Patrick... Sorry, Gary, are the numbers going down here? In respect of going in. The nominees for this year, they just put three last year and five the year before. Year one, there was eight. Year two, there was eight. It's a bit of a strange thing. I mean, I'm one of the nominees for this year. Eden Hazard, Robbie Fowler, Les Ferdinand, Cesc Fabregas, Mike Lohan, Teddy Sheringham, David Silva, Yaya Torre, Edwin Manassar, Nemanja Vidic. What is it about the whole affair? You know what, Gal, I think there should be certain recognition for it. Obviously, the way that they do it, I believe they could make it a lot more of a thing because I think it is quite a big deal.

26:33But the fact is, going back to that list, all of those players, you could probably put a case for. Definitely. What are you measuring now?

26:42Gary Neville: I don't understand what you're measuring. You're measuring achievement. So what did you... You both got one. So what did you get? Did you get an award ceremony? Yeah, it was an award ceremony. Did you go to it? I didn't go, no. I'd speak for Roy. I knew you didn't go. You go, you know what I mean? That was funny. It's because Kelly. Kelly Cates was there with me. Was it on in London, right? Yeah. Yeah, right. It was at Kelly Cates. I was there with Wayne Rooney, Vincent Company and Patrick Vieira. And that had a little question answered. You get inducted in. But you know we've named all the names there.

27:10So how many are getting picked from that? Well, two. Two, is it? OK, so two of them get picked and the rest of the nominations who don't get picked, are they still in it next year? I'll show it's two righty. It might be four. It was four when we'd done it. But what I'm saying is what will happen is that the names will come back because the people were voting for it. So the names will come back. And those are the names that probably have popped up a lot of the time. It's like any award you get. Take it with a pinch of salt. If people recognise you, go, that's nice. But if they don't, go on, that's fine also.

27:42So, give the list of names and we can pick. Go on, let's pick. Is this for this year?

27:46Gary Neville: If there's two out of those... Surely there must be four. Sorry, Gary. Two out of 15. That's what Wrighty said. Can we confirm that, please, by the way? Can we find out if it's more than two? Correct, correct. I thought there was two. Thank you very much. So, my point is, why are the numbers going down? So, what they must have done... Is it expensive for the mail? Because they've started it late, they've obviously decided that, again, eight people up and putting it in the Hall of Fame is a bit like... And, obviously, they've just filled it early and then they're sort of dwindling it back. So the two that are going to be nominated, two of the nominees...

28:14Gary Neville: Take your time here now, right? Yeah. Two of these people. Vidic, Van der Sar, Torre, David Silva, Sheringham, Owen, Neville, Hazard, Fowler, Ferdinand, Fabregas, Evra, Defoe, Carrick, Campbell. So Campbell. Depends what it's done. I would go with Eden Hazard. My first pick. And it would either be David Silva or Yaya Torre. You know something? I'd go Gary and David Silva. I'd go Michael Owen. I'd go... Oh, that's not easy. It's not, it's a good one. I'd go Yaya Torre. I'd go Yaya Torre. I think Michael... Yeah, I might go Yaya Torre. You know the thing with it is, is that before... No, there's this thing.

28:53Teddy's sharing them. Teddy, what Teddy's done. Yeah. You probably have to start looking at Michael Owen. I know he's, at the moment, he's out there. It's like he's... He's taking on everyone, Mike. Look at him. Man's taking off everything. He's coming out there with chess and rightly so, rightly so. It's funny because I was sitting there with Terry, me and Terry was sitting the other day, he was having some lunch, and he was saying, yeah, what he was saying about him at 18 and that was, yeah, you can't argue that. And there was a time where you have to say that Michael Owen was arguably easily one of the best players in the world.

29:24So I think Michael Owen and what he'd done, he probably should be in there. How many Premier League appearances is Michael Owen? That's the hardest list I've seen. Let me see it. 300, 350. 300. I know something, because you're a Tory. Some of the players on there have got 500. Did you have 400 Premier League payments? David Silva. I think that counts for something if it's a Premier League.

29:45Gary Neville: Just on my coin, by the way, his football career. Harry Neville. I can see why Michael gets criticised for his football career in some ways. One, he finished early. Secondly, he moved from United to Liverpool. So I understand where that... So he hit Liverpool to United. I understand, and he left Liverpool, obviously, as well. So I understand where that sort of feeling comes from. I thought it was scandalous way in which he was treated in his early media career. Not necessarily by people commenting. Oh, the way they left him out there. They hung him out there. Absolutely. Do you know something, righty?

30:13Gary Neville: You'll know this. Cold commentary is the hardest thing to do. It's all about media stuff. Yeah. So Michael's... Cold commentary is the hardest thing to do. So this happened with my brother, where they put him in his first game. BBC, yeah. BBC put him in the first game of a World Cup, England v Italy, with 20 million people watching. I'm telling you, I was a sky with me when I first... I mean, I still don't think I'm... Like, it's still the worst thing I do now, Cold Comments. It's the toughest thing I do. It's tough. Right? And they put me on, like, eight games, ten games, that were like Fulham v Blackburn.

30:47Gary Neville: I remember doing that game on Sunday, which, you know, not a lot of people are watching, but it beds you in, it eases you in. Villa v City, which wasn't a big game back then. And it loads of games. You had moved on stuff at United, didn't you? Yeah, loads of games on MUTV. They gave me loads of games. And then they put me on a big game in March. It took them eight, nine months of trialling me and testing me and feeding back to me and being harsh on me, by the way. And I remember once in January saying, look, this is just not for me, to the producer. And he said, look, stick at it. He said, but you need to be more conversational.

31:13Gary Neville: You need to be more yourself type thing. And there's loads of advice. To give Michael Owen Premier League games from TNT first up and to give Phil that will. Honestly, you are throwing a lamb into the lion's den. But why should I come into his... No, no, we just talked about his... Just him in general. Kara said he's been getting a batter in and he should fight back. I thought the media handling of him in terms of him putting him into those situations was absolutely... They should have taken him out a lot earlier than Coke and looked at him. And stuck with him, by the way. Absolutely should have.

31:42I think the thing with... He's come out on the front foot. He's done a podcast with Rio and going back through his career. And I think Michael, it's sometimes... Because I started with Michael. And Michael, you've got to imagine, I'm two years old and we're rooming together. and I'm just delighted to be, if I'm sub, I'm with the squad, I'm not sure if I'm sub, but he's almost like one of the biggest named players in the world. He's 18, he's just won the World Cup, you know what I mean? And then I end up looking, I always think how crazy, he's there and probably at the end of his career, we both retired, our last game was the same day, if you like, the last game of the season, but the same season.

32:22So I'm this sort of kid trying to be on the bench when I was 18, 19 for Liverpool, he's like the star of the team. my last game for Liverpool, I'm getting like a mosaic in the Kop or something. I walk out. He's playing for Stoke. Do you know what I mean? It just shows the way the careers go. He left the 90s. He got to Stoke. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But we sort of finished on the last day. But the point I'm making, some of the criticism almost of him as a player, a little bit is a bit like, almost because of the way he finished. But people's careers are different. Some careers go like that.

32:51Some careers start here. It's just a rollercoaster. But the level he was at at that age, He had injuries as well. Yeah, of course. I remember that injury, but I didn't hear him mention that he peaked at 18. But as a player, do you need these accolades? If no one ever recognised them. No, you've had a brilliant career, Jamie. But do you need that when you finish? No, no. So if Michael Owen is getting a bit of stick, obviously for the other business, I bet you Michael Owen can sit back like he did last week and go, hold on a second. And he must know in his family, and I go, Anderson, I've done the business and I did injury.

33:28Surely that's enough. You don't need somebody else to go, are you the great career? It wouldn't bother me in the least. I don't think you need it, but I think it's nice for your family. I think when you go that day and you can say... I just don't mean for this award, Jill. I mean, in general, when people are chasing these... You're saying, oh, did I go to London? I didn't want to go to London. It wouldn't be a big thing, but I just don't think... I don't think I would need that. It comes up from, you're saying, fans voting. You like the fans. You know, just the recognition because, again, with the journey, I don't want, like I say, I don't want people to say, oh, you're a great listener, just to be in the conversation.

34:04So even to be in something like that, for me... But you must know that anyway, right? Yeah, but you do know it, Roy, but once it's happening, you just feel like, yeah, it's out there, you know what I mean? It's out there, I don't need to argue myself about it. I say, well, check the whole... But you're on a bit of a name in PFA Team of the Year, and we'd have a bit of banter with that. You'd be going, you're not voting if it's between Gerard and Lampard, whatever, of course. So you've all little bits of politics going on with all this, So why do you think you need recognition from people who some have never played the game?

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35:50Gary Neville: OK, England, Serbia. I'm going to start actually with the end of the show last night because there was an interview with Mark Gay. Apart from the fact he got cut off. But do you know something? Actually, I thought it was brilliant. I thought his manner, the way, I thought the class, the way in which he handled the question from Gabriel, obviously, around the situation with Liverpool. He had a smile on his face. He was so relaxed. It was just his manner and the way he deal with it. and he said it's been interesting in two weeks, but he didn't antagonise, he didn't come out with anything smart. He used to tell he was a really good guy.

36:22Gary Neville: And I just take it back 10 days. There was a narrative that was like, you're better off being Alexander Izak because you get your move than being Mark Gay who doesn't. There was a bit of a sort of thing at that time that people were sort of... I was thinking, no, in the long run, 70 years of your life, it'll pay you back being like Mark Gay is. I don't know what you thought on that, but I just... I mean, this is not a criticism of Izak, but I just thought it deserved mention the way in which he handled his intent. You were in the studio. I don't know if you thought the same thing watching him.

36:48Gary Neville: No, you did. You did as well. You have to go back to his upbringing, the way he's been brought up. You know what I mean? Respectful of everything that's going on. Everything that's happened with Isak. And if Isak wants to get out and he's done it, that's Isak. Every situation is different. Absolutely. But Marge is a different person. He's getting on with what he's doing. He's very grateful for everything that happens around him. He's very religious. You know, very God-faring people, very religious. So they are so focused in what they're doing, all the noise doesn't, it doesn't touch him. He's got to get his rewards anyway.

37:24He doesn't touch him. He'll get what he deserves anyway. I hope he does ride. He will do.

37:28Gary Neville: Do you think Liverpool will see that through at the end of the season and do it in complete? I hope they do. There was a report from a couple of journalists who were basically the best journalists on Liverpool on the beat. They'd done a story a few days ago saying that Liverpool would wait till next season and I'm afraid they wouldn't go in January. Yeah, that's fair enough. Yeah, so what I'm saying is I think they wouldn't write that unless they felt that was... But they will see it through now and not change their attention to someone else. Oh, no, I don't. I think that they would try and bring him in again.

37:57I'm sure they've got really good... Like when they're down with Virgil, yeah? Yeah, well, listen, I'm sure there's been a lot of talk between him and the age and between the top people at Liverpool. And it's a case of, you know, they've pulled the plug at the last minute. Listen, we're still there for you then. But it sounds like it'll be more end of the season. rather than January. It had to be January, would it? Maybe it was£10 million, but they're like, no, we want it for free. Just think from his point of view, the player, so whereas I know he's handled it well and he has done, and he would have been disappointed, but he's had a couple of games with England, he scores last night, he'll play well, obviously he'd be playing at Palace week in, week out, he's got a good chance of going to the World Cup, so the options he will have.

38:32But he signs for a team in January abroad, he's got that option, and I'll wait till the summer. And Liverpool, of course, they'll be going, listen, what's for waiting for you? Because if top-quality players are available, they'll be in for him so he's still in a fantastic position he just has to deal with the disappointment of last week which he has done the Crystal Palace keeper was trying to push him wasn't he to clap the fans and that because he probably thought he was going but I liked how he was like it's not about me obviously I know the move hasn't happened but I think even from that moment you just like him you know what he is

38:59Gary Neville: he's a good player I think he's brilliant that's what he's getting I tell you what's interesting I actually got some sympathy for Palace because there was a situation at Salford on the last day where we were told by another club that for us to get a player we had to wait for them to get one in and thankfully they got one in so we got the player and I thought if Palace think they were getting that player that was going to West Ham if they think they're getting that player then they don't get it I can understand why Palace But at that level Gary why would you leave it so late? I know but do you have something wrong?

39:27Gary Neville: We were the same on this player that we'd been waiting for for like eight, nine days and we're like the club just keep telling you it's our primary target you want to come everything's sort of sorted and the lad's saying everything right You're saying everything right. And to be fair, the club are being decent. They say, look, we've just got to get the player we want. And they're waiting and the other club won't then let that player go. And it's like a game. And I saw it happening at our club and I thought, that could have happened to us, whereby we would have had to have sort of, we wouldn't have got our player.

39:54Gary Neville: Do you know what I mean? So we'd have been in the situation of Liverpool, basically. But that's why there's pluses where you try and get your, I know it's not the case for every club, but get your business done early if you can. They knew Liverpool were in front. They knew it was a decent offer on the table. But whatever, who's handled the best, I think Palace have lost 35 million but they're going to have a top player for another year I don't think when you're talking about the money different position you can stay higher up and obviously during Europe they won the cup last year it's not the end of the world for Palace it wasn't 70 or 80 million you know what I mean I wonder if Liverpool will regret at some point if say Canati did get injured not going like 45 or 50 and just getting him over like I don't think he would have been able to go because I don't if Glasner didn't get the I think if the money was a bit higher and they just said We can't turn that down.

40:39Gary Neville: You can't let him go. But why did they wait so late? Yeah. I don't know. Liverpool always try and get value for money. Could they regret that, Carrie? Oh, yeah. I think there's one situation where Liverpool, that's the one area where, listen, there's three games in, they've got nine points out of nine, probably not played that well, so we probably all say big favourites Liverpool, but that is the one area that could come back and blow, I would imagine, in the face because they haven't really got... what Gae was getting was giving Liverpool competition at centre-back. They haven't got that. They've got two starters and two understudies.

41:13You know, Joe Gomez, injury-prone himself, and the young lad who's only 18, I think, come from Italy, going to be a great prospect. But if you think if one of them had to play for a couple of months, you know, it's a big difference. I'm amazed Liverpool, considering we give Liverpool a lot of praise for getting the business done. Get that one over the line. Do you think we hear so much about transfers or, like, now? Like, can you remember, like, I don't know what it was like for you, but we'd sometimes turn up and there'd just be a new player and they'd change the move. Yeah, that'd be quite a bit.

41:39Do you know what I mean? Like, he is so much about... Teams get leaked, I don't know, by the agency. All the details. Social media, friends in the media. It's the whole thing itself.

41:46Gary Neville: It's a business in itself. I want to ask about Mad Wakey. I'll be honest with you, when Arsenal signed him, I'd seen him play quite a lot at Chelsea. I thought, yeah, he's a bit... I can see why Chelsea have sort of let him go. Yeah. I tell you, what a different player at Arsenal in the England games in the last few weeks. I mean, I was asking you a question. He's obviously, like, a lot better on the right, and that was clear when, obviously, Saka went off the other week. Could Saka play on the left? Don't let me... Sorry, fucking hard, mate. Oi, don't ask me about Saka playing on the left. I'm not even commenting on that.

42:19Gary Neville: No, I'm saying, no, you're looking at it. Saka's on the right, Arsenal. I didn't say anything. So, if you think about it, obviously, Martell is just struggling a little bit on that left-hand side. Could Saka go back on the left and leave him away from where he is? So you're saying with everything that Saka's done up to this point, playing on the right, you'd move Saka on the left and put Lonnie Madweke on the right. No, I'm just saying, I think you can see quite clearly that Madweke looks a hell of a player on that right-hand side. I mean, last night, some of his runs were, I thought, really top level.

42:44Gary Neville: I was looking at it as a full-back thinking, oh, I didn't know he had that. I didn't know he had that. So I'm looking at it and thinking, OK, well, he's the, if you like, young kid. Yeah. You wouldn't want to really, if Saka's the experience one, look, Saka's the best player, let's be clear. So you might take the stance that you're taking, which is we can't move our best player, but does the best player swap with him and say, OK, I'll do half an hour on the left, then we'll switch over a little bit? You could probably do that in the game, but we don't see it because obviously we haven't got anybody who's doing the same kind of level of work on the left-hand side of Saka.

43:15So you could say, let's swap for 10 minutes and then swap back. Nani Ronaldo would switch regularly. They would switch, they would move. I'm with the righty, but something's just come to me about Liverpool, but I'm with righties sometimes where you're moving your best player. But you know what's just come to me? You know when Liverpool signed Salah? The year before, Mane was Liverpool's big sign. He basically got Liverpool into the Champions League in clubs versus he played right wing. So when Liverpool signed Salah, I was like that and I was thinking Salah plays on the righties like what's going on?

43:45Mane ends up moving to the left. Now I think Mane could do a bit of both but I remember thinking how's this going to work? And it ends up did work. I do think moving Saka it is hard to move your best player when he's done that well but what I would say about Madiweki though righty is and this might be a problem for Saka for England and hear me out on this I actually think Madiweki under Thomas Tuchel has been England's best player it hasn't been that great under Tuchel so we haven't got too carried away with the games and you know last night was really good and Madiweki played well but in the games where we've been probably questioning Tuchel or how good is this or what team is he picking I think Madiweki is probably the best player He's always played on that right side, cutting it on the left.

44:28So I think it'd be really interesting when Saka comes back, actually for England more than Arsenal, actually how Tuka goes about it, because he's been his best player. But that's why, like we were saying, in respects of the competition for places, there's a competition for that side now. And then it's now Maduaki, who's got the shirt, you know, he'll play for Arsenal. Did you always know he was that good?

44:52Gary Neville: Or did he surprise you in the last few months? No, of course he's... Maduweke. Maduweke. Absolutely, yeah, because you see him at Chelsea, you're just seeing flashes. You're not seeing a proper right. That's where you're playing. Let's see what you do backward and forward. You didn't see that at Chelsea. How much did they pay for him at Arsenal? 50. 50 million? And he got some stick, by the way, didn't he? Yeah, he got some stick. The Arsenal fans. Arsenal fans were saying, what were we signing him for? But the thing with it is, again, it's brought competition into a place now which will make it even easier for the Arsenal fans to take that sack us out, that he can put in performances like that.

45:24Now, all you want from Nani Maduweke is to continue doing that. Then, when Saka comes back, then all of a sudden, if he's continuing to play in that vein... And you've got Eze as well. Where does Eze fit into that? Well, Eze's got to fit in whether he's going to come in off the left or in the 10. He's probably going to be competition for the left side and probably Erdogan, because then you've got one year as well. Right, so you know the Maduweke one? I always liked him the reason I used to like him was I used to think about playing against him and you don't see many wingers that big and strong normally as a full back you're thinking okay the winger's quicker than me he's got more ability but I'll he's tighter but sometimes when you play against a winger who's bigger than you and stronger than you it's like oh god and he's got that but the worry when he was at Chelsea was the manager came out two or three times and questioned his attitude didn't he in training and I'd be like oh my god this lad's got so much ability just put it in training I think at Arsenal, in that dressing room, the way Mick Elliott is, I think that's exactly what he might need.

46:28He looked good, didn't he? Oh, gosh, yeah. And coming inside, the movement coming towards, in respects of Morgan Rodgers, and him going beyond. Even Anthony Gordon doing his bit up there. The four of them played really well yesterday. When you think of England being, sorry, Gary, when you think of England probably being without probably the three most talented players, I'm thinking sort of Bellingham, Cole Palmer, where maybe Saka probably Foden comes into that category so none of them are there and you still have that sort of quality behind Harry Kane it's not bad is it I agree with all that we're praising him but Roy going into the game we were saying that this is going to be the test this is the one we were saying that so now that we because we were actually saying you said it'd be hostile atmosphere we were saying we're playing Spain in finals Spain are beating Turkey 6-0 and we're just about beating like...

47:21Andorra. Andorra. And, you know, we're coming into this game saying that Tuchel's looking at this one as, right, this is the game. And we bossed it. We have to take that as well. We can't keep... I was surprised at Anderson.

47:33Gary Neville: I know he's a good player for Forrest, but did he step up a level in these last couple... I mean, it's Andorra, but do I like the goal where Kane flicks it around the corner? It's a brilliant goal to... Rodgers flicked it around the corner. I thought Anderson played simple passes through the lines that a lot of midfield players refuse. What I was pleased for him was the fact that he played Andor and you see with England games, there's two games in 34 days and then they'll play him in that game but then the next game, which is tougher, they'll bring back the main guys and then you think, well, give him a chance to play with the main guys and see what he does because we do need somebody in that position and he did.

48:11Anderson has that in his locker. Remember the first goal against Bournemouth? Remember the ball into Wood? Remember the first game? Yes, yes. Against Brentford, sorry. Against Brentford, yeah. I'm glad he's playing him there

48:19Gary Neville: and leaving Rice forward. Because the easy thing would be to play Rice back and then move someone else into quite a few. Yeah, but he gets better teams, obviously. I think Lee Dixon said it on the comms that obviously you're going to get a lot of touches in that position, especially against weaker opposition, but his ability to play forward and take risks. That's what I like. Kobi Minou does that, though. That's what you're supposed to do. Your first option as a midfielder is can I pass it forward? A lot don't, Roy. No, I know that. You should have told me that when I played. Yeah, but you're saying Kobi Minou does that.

48:43If you have to go back, no problem, but your first option, can I pass it forward? You're saying that Kobe Mayne who does that, Jill, rightly so, but what Tuchel said about him was being a 6, 8 or a 10, he's got players who are playing regularly and making a difference in their team right now. And once he gets himself into that position, he might probably start picking him again. He needs to get his head down.

49:06Gary Neville: This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing. Just quickly, I want a couple of players. I know we always talk about Trent on this show, but I thought that Tuchel's... We were a cameraman a lot. Trent's corner. Trent's corner. No, but to be fair, sometimes it's out of sight, out of mind. Trent Alexander-Arnold has been left out of the England squad by Thomas Tuchel. That's a big thing, I think, and it's not been highlighted as much as I thought it would be, but he puts... I can see that sometimes he relies heavily on his offensive contributions and gives not so much emphasis on the defensive discipline and effort.

49:41Gary Neville: He has to take the defensive part very seriously. that from your manager I think it's a massive criticism and we know that he obviously is stronger attacking wise but Trent's gone to Real Madrid and he's now been left out of the England squad Jed Spence has come in I mean has that been highlighted enough in the last 10 days? What do you mean? Probably not Well in the sense of because he's out of sight out of mind if he was at Liverpool still and Jed Spence was getting in front of him we'd be like what's going on here he's at Real Madrid one of the biggest club in the world best club in the world We can't just pick just because he's at the biggest club in the world.

50:13At the moment, he's playing half the minutes. We know that as the season goes... He started two out of three games.

50:22Gary Neville: He started two out of three games. OK, but it's fine. But what I'm saying is that as it goes, Real Madrid will play, what, going to the latter stage of all coming? 70-odd games. It's a bad sign, though, right? I don't think it is because I think it's early enough. Well, it's not a good sign, is it? Yeah, but the thing is, I think it's early enough for him to play the games to get back in because there is no way we can say that Trent Trent hasn't got the ability to be in there. Would you want Trent coming off the bench at a stage if we were struggling in a tournament? Of course he would. But he believes at the moment, whether it's Rhys James, whether it's Jed Spence, whether it's Livermanto, at the moment what he sees, the manager's got 18 months to try and get...

50:56That's what he's... Sorry, that's what I'm saying. We made a point last night. That's what he's doing. We're talking about Trent and what he does on the pitch. Yeah. Obviously, this manager's made it clear over the last... Since he took the job, he's got to have a happy camp and everyone in together. Because when you go to the World Cup, obviously it's a lot longer. where you're going to be away for six, seven weeks with a couple of games before the World Cup. So I don't mean just necessarily Trent. So definitely the manager's finding out, yeah, who are my better players? But what a lad's a long train, and he brings Jordan Henderson back in, where you look and go, yeah, Jordan's good around it.

51:21And you go, OK. So he's looking at the bigger picture where he's going, I want him. I just don't mean Trent. So lads who maybe sub up the last couple of games or the way they train, he's probably thinking,

51:30Gary Neville: I'm not having that. Just quickly on Trent, though, because I think I was half accepting of it. When Walker was fit and it absolutely flying and marking Mbappe and Vinicius out of games two or three years ago, you could sort of say, right, OK, I get that one. At this moment in time, Kyle's one of the best full-backs in the world. You've then got James behind, and then you've got Trippier, who can play left and right-backs. I was almost half buying into the idea of Trent sort of being sub. Trent is now being left out for Liveramento and Jed Spence. Let's be clear. Liveramento's a good football player.

51:57No, no, I know he's a good player. But for what Spence? They're both good players. Both of them defensively are good as well. They're both good players. It doesn't matter what we say. It doesn't matter. Go back to that quote. what the manager is basically saying and what's important to him in a full-back and maybe what he's thinking at the latter stages of it is he's saying something that you've said and we've probably all said and maybe he's sending a message to Trent he's got to be more serious about his defending he's saying it there so maybe it is actually no one's you think of the impact Trent's had at Liverpool and the Klopp and European Cups and leagues some of the players you mentioned there are Liverpool and Jets Benz they're probably never going to get to that level that's not a criticism I think they're both really good full-backs and I'm a big fan of Livermanto but it might be a case of Trent I love you I think you're amazing but you've come on we've been saying this exactly and we've been criticised but my issue with Trent whatever it was Trent still defends I look at Trent so I look at Trent all the amount of games he's played hundreds of games at the top level at full back right and he obviously does training sessions and practice but he's still some of his defenders still like he's like a midfielder or a centre forward he's gone you do a job for us I'm on about one twos and I still go it's amazing how you've not even improved that slightly you'll never be a Stuart Pearce type of defender that's just because he's so brilliant going forward and Pearce he was no mug but going forward but it's I'm just amazed how Trent hasn't even picked up a little bit just from training sessions and at international level you can't get away with not defending like club level some games when you're playing weaker opposition but I think when it reaches that latter stages it'll be interesting how he does it real by the way how he does it real you said when your manager says that I think we've probably all been in dress rooms where managers have said things publicly and people on the outside go, oh.

53:37But we all know something's been said and that's almost like a lash he's wrote and it was Arnie Slott said something when he'd moved on which was probably a little bit of a dig really. He's already gone to Real Madrid and he sort of said something along the lines of if I'll give Xabi Alonso a little bit of advice you might need to push Trent in training a little bit. This was on like the last game of the season or something I thought. So you've got sort of... Sneaky. Heart and short. Sneaky digging the ribs that isn't it? Yeah, but what I'm saying is when your managers are saying that it's that little bit of thing of come on things have been said before that and we all know how good he is he's amazing but I think it's probably getting to the stage what is he 26, 27 where as you say he's not a young kid he's just hundreds of games it's like when's the penalty going to drop?

54:19Exactly and if it doesn't drop he's probably not going to be involved I think people have to this idea of going to Real Madrid as if that's going to be because Real Madrid are so good as if it's going to be easier for him I think Cavall

54:28Gary Neville: is the best right back in the world he probably got it defensively of course he is He would be, yes. This is why, you know what I mean, again, you go back to what Trent is capable of doing and you would like to have that in the last 15 minutes of a game in a tournament. But at the same time, he's looking at people he thinks defensively are good and they'll go forward and pass to the players that can do something. Because James is no more going forward. Exactly. If he stays fit, you know, it's changed. But right, we're now at a point for him whereby it's not just happening at Liverpool, it's not just happening with Gareth now, it's not a Gareth thing anymore.

55:00Gary Neville: When two managers, when two clubs start to get to the same conclusion, that's when you start to become, you know, it's what you are. Yeah, but in what Roy's saying then, Garl? I think this is a sympathy conversation. I mean, is Trent going to get, he's at an amazing level in terms of his play. How is he going to get over this to the point whereby he does become the England right-back or he does become the Real Madrid right-back and he gets good defensively? Because he does what the manager says, there is the England manager. That's what he has to do. It's that simple. Who's your starting back for?

55:26Can I just ask, if everybody's fit, who's starting back four for England? Because I would go James, Stones, Gahey and Luke Shaw. If everybody's fit, who would be your back four? No, I'm asking. I'm putting a nail there. If everyone's fit. If I was fit, I'd be available. Do you know what? You don't have to battle being a footballer. It's being fit. OK, so who's your back four? Stones. Did Stones play the last couple of games? No, but I'm saying if everybody's fit, I would have Stones in there. I'd have Rhys James, I'd have Esri Consa, Mark Gahey and probably... Shaw. Shaw. Shaw's the best left back.

55:59Shaw's never fit. You know what? He used to get hit in the top. I'd just bring Sean Stones. No, I'd play Livermento there for now. It's no good being injured all the time. Miles Lewis Skelly. Miles Lewis Skelly, what about? I played Miles Lewis Skelly. What's happened to him?

56:13Gary Neville: He can't get the Liverpool team. Why has he not been in right here? Why has Miles Lewis Skelly not been in the squad? Because he's not been playing for Arsenal? No, I don't think it's got anything to do with him. Can we discuss one more? There was just one more. No. One more. Phil Foden. Oh, this is your... OK. No, no, no. Again, slight concerns. Tuchel said Foden needs time to recover from his ankle injury and to re-find the joy in his game. What does that mean? Like, look like he's enjoying it. He's happy on himself. Exactly what it says. It's exactly what it says on his team. But where's that come from?

56:45Gary Neville: When a manager says that in terms of the joy in his game, he's obviously heard... Freedom or... He was playing the year, wasn't he, 18 months ago? And then last year, if you're the best player in the league, it's difficult to kick on, but he had a drop-off, didn't he? We've seen young players do that before, but he does need to come back and find it. But when he's playing well, he is enjoying it, isn't he? Yeah, but the thing is, Jill, when I hear him say that he's got to find a joy, talking about how old is he now? How old is he? 24, 25. And he's kind of won everything the domestic game's got to offer.

57:17He's at a place now where his club's kind of transitioning, and they're bringing other players in. He can't get into the squad. You know, people constantly questioning his England performances. And he's somebody that's sitting there with everything and nothing. So it's like it's in his head now. Can he go again? Can he go find the joy? Why did I play in the first place? Do you think he will? We hope he does, don't we? You hope he does, because if it's not a dip, if it's not just a dip and you look at what he's done, and then people will judge him for what's happened at the England... The game waits for nobody.

57:48The game waits for nobody. and they feel forwards like loads of other players. It all happens to us. Is it a crossroads?

57:53Gary Neville: You come off it, are you a couple of injuries? They are crossroads moments. I know you're trying to normalise these statements about joy. Honestly, if someone said to me, Gary, you've got to get your joy back in the game. I mean, there wasn't much joy in my game anyway. We had joy in my game, yeah. Different personalities, different positions. No, my point is, if someone said about Scolese, he's got to get his joy back in. They would never say that about him. They would never say that about Ryan Giggs. They would never say that about David Beckham because they literally, they had bad periods where they didn't play well at times, but they never, ever, that fight, that spirit, they never dropped.

58:26Gary Neville: They wouldn't say about you, get that joy back in your game. They wouldn't say about you, get that joy. I played against you for five, six, seven years. You're there literally like a terror, like literally all over me every single game. You never lost that joy in the game, that appetite. Do you think Cole Palmer went and found his joy though? Like as an example. Are you saying Phil needs to leave then? I don't know, I just... I was thinking that. I'm not saying he needs to leave, but if Foden has another season like he had last season I just said before when we were talking about Michael Owen about someone's career starting like here it has little roller coasters and it might be and listen he's a local I think he's a City fan he'd probably never want to leave but if he has another 12 months of children starting to get the way maybe Rashford was a little bit at Man United where you know he's a good player I know James Sancho similarly these lads aren't getting the joy back easily are they?

59:09Gary Neville: But who's that down to? But who's that down to? They've got to do it themselves They've got to be onto themselves gal The environment get the spark back get the magic back We're talking about players losing. Sometimes I look at Pep sometimes. He goes, Pep lost that span. Can you imagine as well? Phil's been with Pep for the whole time. That might be intense. That might be a bit tiring as well. You know what? He might need to move. In City since he was about 8, 9, or even younger. Yeah, 6, 7. It's a tough one. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing.

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1:00:53We're on Forrest. Oh, Forrest. Are you allowed to speak about him? There's an injunction against you. You can't speak about Forrest. You can't even say the word.

1:01:03Gary Neville: Are you allowed to go Forrest yet? Nottingham Forest Football Club confirms following recent circumstances, Nuno Espirito Santo has today been relieved of his duty as head coach. And it goes on to talk about basically forever to be remembered. It's a strange one. Recent circumstances. That's a strange statement, that, isn't it? He's obviously fallen over. He's obviously been a fallout. Poor level, our new director of football, who's gone into Edu, has he? Yeah. As soon as you fall out, he said a few weeks ago, the manager said, didn't he? We're not getting done well. Yeah, he said that. And as soon as he was to lose a game or a couple of games, he was a dead man walking.

1:01:46I think there's a dead man walking. In the last season, when the owners walking on the pit... What do you think of, Jim? it's just it's a similar situation I think a little bit when I look at Newcastle what I mean and you usually know probably more being a manager and being involved in clubs we know directors of football now it's a massive part of a football club isn't it and would they almost be seen as being not more important or they the manager answers to the director of football is that what we'd normally and the trusted person

1:02:12Gary Neville: for the owner is the director of football so what I'm saying is I think when a manager has gone into a club and done a really good job so remember Hedy Howe goes into Newcastle it's a bit of a It's not a basket case, but they're near the bottom of the league. He does believe in by his players. They're doing really well. And then they go and get Paul Mitchell, who's seen as this top sporting director who's been at Tottenham and has been at Monaco. So the club's grew. We're going to get a renowned sporting director. And I think when a sporting director comes in, this manager's done a great job, and they almost start dictating to the manager.

1:02:40They're like, I've been here two years. We've built this club up. I'm not listening to you. And I think a little bit with Nuno as well. He sort of dragged Forrest up, had a great season. He's in chat. then this guy comes above him and I don't know if it's this thing of like almost like the big director of football has almost got to be in there before him and bring the coach on this journey it just feels to me that and not just these two I'm talking about any manager probably ourselves if we were managers and you've done this great job and a sporting director I think there's always going to be the hardest part of management is managing up to tell you that he's obviously not lost his job on the back of football results no you know he's obviously had a good season last year I still think the owner would be still fed up with him last year thinking you should have gotten to Chapman's League there will be I know I ended up having a good season and getting into Europe but managing upwards and if someone does come in and if a director of football comes in you'd think the main part of that job is to help the manager but some managers almost say he's not been a help he's been a hindrance whether that's recruitment or just personality clashes and if that owner has brought him in unfortunately the owner is probably going to back the director of football particularly in this case particularly with the owner of Forest we've seen it before would it be Steve Cooper?

1:03:50So what happened the last few days, I didn't blink an eyelid. That's how it works. It's a shame though, because they've lost a good manager, haven't they? Not based on football. They've lost previous good managers. And I'm sure Forrest fans will go, well, if you look at the owner, he's brought success to Forrest, he's thrown money, and that's fine. And I'm saying Forrest should hopefully maybe still kick on. But it doesn't mean to say you have to treat managers like that. You can still do things properly. Or when you do sack him, do it properly. You give a manager to get out the door instead of making statements when the manager said it.

1:04:20That's the bit I'm talking about.

1:04:22Gary Neville: What you said there, Roy, about treating managers, I was deemed as being over-exaggerating when I said that Nuno should have negotiated his exit after the Forest incident at the end of this game last season. It's not, because what football sometimes does behind the guise of passion, it basically sort of hides behind passion. If that was any other workplace in the country, in any other sector, and the boss walked in and was basically acting like that, there would be a massive problem with the employees. As soon as he walks on the pitch at the end of the game, which at the time people say, he's OK, he can walk on to the pitch.

1:04:53Gary Neville: No, no, it's not OK. It's his pitch. It's not OK. It wasn't OK. Because if you normalise that and you say that's OK, behind the guys, oh, football's all about passion. There's a behavioural code when you're the boss of a football club or the boss of a business about how you act to people who work underneath you, and it's quite clear that wasn't right. I was quite cold that night. I thought I knew no should have negotiated his exit. I knew this was coming a few months later. It was obvious that that was going to come. because, Roy, if an owner came onto the pitch with you, with you, with you, with you, there's no way that's going to last that relationship.

1:05:23Gary Neville: The way you four are, know you are. You know the way which he comes on that pitch that that relationship's going to end quite quickly. Now, it's taken three or four or five months. But that was always coming, wasn't it? It was a dead man walking. As soon as this even slipped up home to West, what he had to do was win every single match. And as soon as this slipped up forrest, obviously there was noises, there would have been talks going on, of course. But we talk about managers. Jamie mentioned about the importance of a manager of a football club. There's certain clubs... I remember watching that movie, The Damned United, going back to Brian Clough years ago.

1:05:50And certain football clubs, the role of a manager... The manager, no, at certain clubs, is the bottom of the pile. He's behind the piece. He's got no power. So that's why when I see this manager going into the forest going, oh, it's a great forest, a great club. Listen, be careful what you wish for. You don't feel for him because Coop... Because this owner's got previous... What do we think's going to change? And when things go shit, it's the manager that suddenly gets all the crap. And what you want, obviously, for a manager when you're going through a difficult spell is for the owner to go, yeah, I've got your back.

1:06:16Good stuff. Edu's probably coming and, like you said there, James, I think he's doing well, Nuno. I think the fans like him. The fans were starting to connect with him because I know when Cooper went, they weren't happy. And then when Nuno came, they weren't happy. And now Ange is coming. He's coming into the same energy. But the Forest fans seem to get behind the managers. Of course they will. They'll get behind him. But did they still look at the owner and go, yeah, listen, and we're making progress, you're spending all this money. But can you just treat people with a little bit of class? Yeah.

1:06:49If you're sacking a manager, you've sacked managers, you can still sack somebody properly. You can still do it properly. He's had a couple of really bad runs. No, no, do you know what? I don't feel sorry for managers anymore either. Don't be crying yourself to sleep. No, no, no. With that manager, he's got to stand up for himself. But he knew that when he went in there. You've got to do your homework. Everybody thinks that they're going to be able to... Shake hands with the devil, all the best. Yeah, but everybody thinks that they're going to go in and be the one that's going to be able to... That's stupid, isn't it?

1:07:12What's the sign of insanity? What's the sign of insanity? Doing the same thing over again. I think I expect a different result. You shake hands with the devils. Good luck. I think we went on fast forward there. What I'm saying is, just like someone with Balotelli, the manager, you take Balotelli, you're going to be the one who's going to change it. You might think that. That's an ego trip. Do you think Maranakos is good for the Premier League? Is good for... I think his investment

1:07:41Gary Neville: into Forrest, anybody who puts money into a football club, to be fair, one thing that I always look at it from an owner's perspective, if you put your money into a football club, there's a very good chance you're not going to get that money back. Now, I know there are some owners who've made a lot of profit, but there's more owners. 95 % of owners in football clubs don't make money. They're putting it in because of a passion, a love, an itch, a will to want to do something with their lives, with the money that they've made. So I don't disrespect any owner who puts money into football clubs. What I do think though is that ultimately there is a way in which you have to act as an owner of a football club because you're protecting and guarding that.

1:08:11Gary Neville: You're the guardian of that football club for the fans and to be fair, Nottingham Forest, I absolutely love Nottingham Forest's football. When they came back in the Premier League and we did that first game there, like, wow, Nottingham Forest are back. I want Sheffield Wednesday back. I want these guys. Yeah, yeah. These are brilliant football clubs. Imagine Brian Clough. Imagine people like that years ago and the managers, some managers have some sort of power but most managers don't and they're getting treated like crap and that's why all these, but the managers, do you know what happens to a lot of the managers?

1:08:39They're desperate. they'll sign any contract with anybody so when they do lose a job I have no sympathy for them they have no self worth they're signing deals with these owners and go I'm desperate for a job and then a few months later if they're desperate for a job I know but you've got to have some sort of self worth yeah but you say that but they need the job a lot of desperate people be careful who you jump into bed with my good you jump into bed with these people and then it backfires in six months time you're to blame not them so you're blaming Nuno for speaking up for himself no I'm not blaming him but when he loses a job don't lose sleep over it because he shook hands with him.

1:09:10He's going, yeah, I'll come and walk with you and you'll support me. And I go, waste of time.

1:09:14Gary Neville: Nuno should have walked out that night. Of course he should have. On the pitch, he should have walked out that night. Of course he should have. Just coming back to it, just in terms of, I'm just moving on to football for Nottingham Forest. I was thinking actually before about the biggest style shift you could ever get. And I'm thinking like Louis van Gaal to Jose Mourinho in terms of, they completely changed the whole dynamic. You know, Louis van Gaal signed all these technical players and all of a sudden then you've got Jose Mourinho. The players are going to have absolute shock. They've been playing obviously quite a deep line defence.

1:09:41Gary Neville: But what are the new players who signed and met the manager recently? All of a sudden you're shaking hands with the manager Forest for in Europe great club. How is it going to be so interesting? Maybe they were already thinking that with the signings they were getting in. Do you think Angel 100 % stick to what he knows? I know obviously he has. He's still playing like that Jamie? He's not going to learn a little bit. I think if he went in and did exactly what he did at Tottenham straight away I think that would be too big a shift I think he's almost got to try and get there a little bit slower I think if he's doing that listen they've got Arsenal haven't they first game at the weekend you go there and start playing what he's doing and asking those full backs to go to the field I'll tell you Andrew's a bit these managers can be stubborn I know and obviously he's done at Spurs remember he's done at Celtic and I don't mean in league matches because obviously Celtic can be gung-ho in league matches but in Europe he played a lot of big teams in Europe and wouldn't change for nobody and it backfired at Celtic but that's he'll argue That's my way, that's my model, that's how I've ended up getting these good jobs, the Rich Spurs and winning the odd trophy.

1:10:42Gary Neville: Do you think that's part of it? Because I know that's something that I did a few years ago at Salford in a completely different style. When you are a football club owner and you watch your team and you're always sat back behind the ball with 35 % possession, you do have that will and want to think we need to be progressive, we need to actually play on the front foot, we need to press, we need to keep possession. Is that part of this deep down as well? I think it's like David Moyes at West Ham. Eventually, football supporters of every team, no matter what you're doing they always want the next thing they always want the next thing and the next thing is to be we want to be proactive we want to be the team who take it to the opposite because I do think playing that way I'm not a big believer in that's out of fashion or that's in fashion I'm always a believer in being the best at what you do and that's what they were they were the best at being sort of counter-attack and you look at football now there's long throws there's big centre forwards people are taking kick-offs and putting them in the corner flags going back to the 80s so in some ways it comes back but I do think eventually the way this manages and Edu coming in and you think of the players to sign his Royce he spent 200 million not in the forest I don't think they want to always be this team that like okay we sit back at home and play in the counter attack eventually you will want to be that team So you do think it's part of it?

1:11:51You do think it's part of it? Yeah I think Ange changed a little bit at the end of the season though especially He did the final I know obviously the final but we're more organised I think he did change a little bit I don't think he's going to go in there just all guns blazing let's all run and press I think he'll be a little bit more reserved. Do you know the big success, I think, for Nottingham Forest under Noonah was, we was looking at this on Monday Night Football, his players didn't get injured. Because of the way they played, they weren't intense at all. So almost the opposite of Ange. So not as intense, not doing as many sprints.

1:12:21He played the same team every game, or sort of week in, week out. Yeah, so if Ange, you think of the injuries that they had at Tottenham. You talk about teams being proactive and all these top teams and everyone obsessed with possession. but I think I love watching a team who sits in and who are brilliant on the counter-attack I think that's a great brand of football and sometimes we talk back to the top man you have to be adaptable there'll be some games well put it as if every team wants to dominate possession it's not possible someone's got to play counter-attack someone's got to play defend deeper I think this idea of going oh we need to your honourable Gary you've been an owner you're watching would it be Solfer or you're watching Real Madrid but I love watching teams over the years and I'm going back over the years even Klopp at Dortmund on the counter-attack when you're quick and you're exciting to watch.

1:13:05It's fantastic to watch. It's like Everton ladies against Liverpool. Oh, yeah. They were brilliant goals. My gosh. At Anfield as well. Right. Super 6.

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1:13:53I've got my Super 6 top. Yeah, Jill, why did you get that, Jill? Because they forgot my name off the tweet, so they came and apologised and gave us flowers and a T-shirt. So we're friends again.

1:14:03Gary Neville: Kieran, have me and you got the same top on? It's right. Him and Kieran have got the same top on. He's always familiar. He's got the same glasses as well.

1:14:16Check it out, honestly. Have you seen Kieran's glasses? They've got cameras in. Oh, that's all Kieran. There was, yeah. It's Arnie. Arnie. How good's that? They've got cameras in his glasses. You're like twins. You're going.

1:14:30Gary Neville: He's opening the shop on Friday. He's opening the iron shop in the little pool. Nice one, James. I'm doing it for the team. Nice one, James. Oh, lovely. There's still a million quid still to be won, so it's rolling on. I thought me and Roy wanted to have a week, didn't we? And Jill. Close, but not a cigar, yeah. So obviously Gary and Jamie. You need to send an apology. OK, right. So, Jill, what they have to do is miss you off a tweet and then you'll promote them even more, basically. Honestly, please offend me, but then bring us a present. Right. Last week, Gary and Jamie, six points. That's not bad.

1:15:05Gary Neville: No, no, it's not bad. Yeah, but they've given us that one. No, no, no. I want to say four. More than us. I want to say four. No, they're good enough. More than us. I think eight. Top 20 % of players. Yeah, it was tough. We got four. It's a tough game. It's a good game. We got two or four. We got two or four. Two or four. I think we've got eight. Let him do us now. Roy and Ian, Jill, you got four points. That's not bad. It's all right. Not bad. That's all right. In a bad week. just lose by two points you're still nine points in front we should have made more up so what were the results that killed us then what was it ah lords what was it er tottenham obviously Tottenham Tottenham Bournemouth yeah did we not have Sunderland Wolves Everton did we Everton beat Wolves Liverpool did they the Brighton Man City what was it you have Liverpool to win Liverpool Arsenal yeah what did you have 2-1 I had them 2-1 what did we have if we have Liverpool you had 1-0 oh I'm going to take a picture.

1:16:02That's nearly good, Roy. That was close. I'll take a picture.

1:16:05Gary Neville: But you'll ruin the surprise. How frustrating were Arsenal in that game, by the way? TV, come on. TV. You know what? Fucking YouTube. We hung in there. Still good. You know what I mean? No, no, no. Who in there? We're away to... Liverpool, they're scoring in every game. Liverpool, we stayed in the game for a bit. Bournemouth scored two there. Bournemouth scored two there. That's Bournemouth. Newcastle scored two with ten men. That's Bournemouth. Newcastle scored two with ten men. So what? Crystal Palace scored two. We went there and played a different way. It didn't work out for us. We bought our substitutes on maybe 10 minutes too late.

1:16:33And he scored a great goal. Just be critical of Arsenal. No, I'm not going to be critical of him. Are you still underpicked? No, because if you get paid off him. If he doesn't score a great goal like that, it's nil-nil. Are you getting wages off them? It's a point. Are you getting wages off Arsenal? No, I don't. We criticise United every week. Yeah, because you can criticise them every week. They're f***ing f***ing every week.

1:16:54Gary Neville: Allegedly. Newcastle Wolves. 2-0. Childish. You're childish. Newcastle win. 2-0. That was so nice. Would you guys like to go first? No way first, yeah. Newcastle Wolves. Where were you first? Oh, it's them first. Ladies first. Go on, Jill. Because I got missed off the tweet. Go on, Jill. What's this game? It's three o 'clock Saturday. 2-0, Newcastle. Think of the sleep, travel, under the floodlights, blah, blah, blah. Really got to focus on this week. I'm saying that Wolves must get a point somewhere, do you know what I mean? They never start well. No, but St James' Park is a... Very good manager.

1:17:26Gary Neville: Has Owen got a glasses wipe? You must have them with anything. I'll just do it. Newcastle. Two or three-one? Two or three-one? I'd say. Give Wolves a goal. Newcastle have got some injuries, actually. Three-nil. Let's go three-nil. Let's not give Wolves a goal. You think they'll get a goal? Yeah, I do. Two-one. Two-one. Two-one. Three-nil.

1:17:49I'll tell you. Newcastle, two new strikers. That energy. He's actually gone.

1:17:55Gary Neville: I'd go three-nil. I don't know the big lad that much from Germany. You know what? I think Wolves get a goal what was a dual goal when Newcastle got that energy where they can get one and then they'll go bang, bang we never discussed Ireland's results oh no that wasn't a good one we'll do it in community question Roy what were the results yeah will you take the Ireland job who sent it in is that in Padraig Padraig from Sligo you keep getting linked you keep getting linked with Manulet do you see that he doesn't want it it, Matt. Bournemouth, Brighton. Oh. Oh, Brighton a good result, didn't it? You haven't been a manager, though, for how many years?

1:18:36Gary Neville: At Bournemouth? Yeah, I know what you mean. We're guessing, aren't we? It feels like a 1-1 to me. Bournemouth. Bournemouth, Brighton. Three o 'clock Saturday. Do you want Bournemouth win? No, because I was going to say draw, but them lot heard me say it. Brighton against Everton, even though they got beat, I thought they were all right. 2-2 2-1 2-1 2-1 Danny Welbeck West Ham West Ham Spurs You see that the United West Ham Spurs You know what Spurs that's the kind of bogey team West Ham I said that a few months ago I think Welbeck's better than all United I still not now I know but it's a bogey team Thomas Frank Thomas Frank Is Air Coon you're going to be fit?

1:19:28Gary Who's on this one? West Ham Spurs 1-1 Gary We need to do something a bit different

1:19:34Gary Neville: It was hamstring, weren't it? It's not going to get back What's the West Ham Spurs goal? Oh What do we think? I didn't even contribute When's that game? 5.30 Saturday I'm going to get a picture of that Jill, take a picture of it Brentford Chelsea 7.45 at night 8 o 'clock, but yeah 8 o 'clock 3-1 Makes you think, doesn't it? Goals What's the I would go if it was me 2-1 Spurs yeah come on you Spurs yeah I think Spurs win that 8 o 'clock on Saturday 8 o 'clock what's it at 8 o 'clock yeah it's at 8 o 'clock I don't know why because do you not know Sky is showing so many more games this season

1:20:15is it us

1:20:17Gary Neville: yeah yeah Chelsea win you yeah 2-1 2-0 2-0 2-0 3-1 3-1 yeah go on Chelsea 3-1 That's Jill Schell Yeah Is Palmer back? Burnley-Liverpool No No He's popped off Burnley-Liverpool 2 o 'clock Sunday He's popped off Tough on this Liverpool Is this on us? Yes 2-3-0 Liverpool win that Quite big 3-0 Does Isaac come straight in? No No? No He only come on He only come on for 20 minutes After all that They've got to start him I think he's in that face 3-0 Liverpool He's been playing on the start At Burnley He's trained for 2 weeks with them Yeah He's only 4-0 He was a striker the other day. He did score two and then he's off because he's a national brand.

1:20:59That's a good shot, by the way. He's only come off strike the other day. He hasn't been playing. Tuno. Right, now, we need some injury clarity on this because Marmoush got injured. Marmoush came. We're daft enough to win. No. We're daft enough to win. We predict United to win every week. Are you going to the Etihad? Are you going to the Etihad? They liked you last time you were there.

1:21:24Gary Neville: I was at the Burnley game as well. Yeah, no, exactly for the definitely. The women's game. United are doing all right against City and City. City, I'm not... Can we not go away? Gary, can we not do another women's game together? Yeah, we should. I enjoyed it. It's good. We should have done one last week. You know what, I need to take him out of this because he's letting his... He's too emotional. Do you think he's playing the occasion? You know, if we want to do something different, Roy, then this is the kind of result we've got to try and predict and say United beat City. Oh, I think City win, but go on, I'll back us.

1:21:52So if you say that and you say that, I think a draw. Okay. 2-2 I take a draw it was a 2-2 last time who I take a draw but remember I was going for a United win was it the goal was it Rashford who scored at the Etihad give it a 2-2 mix it up

1:22:07Gary Neville: United not win at the Etihad last year did it yeah was it Rashford who scored the freakiest win I've never seen in your Ahmed remember two goals it was the worst game I think one of the freakiest wins who scored a win last year did Rashford score Diallo scored last season 1-1. 1-1. No, Rashford a couple of years. Remember, you hit that shot. Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of. All right, we can make some points up this next time. Super six, thank you. OK. Wait, wait, wait. Thank you, Ben. Take a picture and you'll send it to us. Just log on and watch it. We can do the new event. No, we're not logging on.

1:22:42Right, Roy Island. Are you worried? Yeah, yeah, not good. It wasn't good. What was the result? They lost to Armenia. 2-2, the first game were hungry, which wasn't too bad when you're 2-0 down. Yeah. And Armenia was a sore one, yeah. The only plus from last night was that Portugal beat Hungary. So you think of Portugal, if they can win every game, then they're just battling with Hungary. If they got a draw last night against Portugal, it wouldn't have been great. But they're up against it.

1:23:07Gary Neville: What's your main gripe at the moment with Ireland, Roy? Lack of players, managerial choices. A bit of everything. I still don't think players are playing enough at the highest level for some of the bigger clubs. There's a few obviously making a living in the Premier League. It's been tough on the manager. Physically, they're not great. They're not mobile. We've got a couple of defenders there. Oh, my goodness. I'm watching Andorra the other day. At least, they might not be great, but they were organised. Surely you can organise. Did you speak to them? What was your feeling when you spoke to them?

1:23:46Gary Neville: What was the feeling about what? No, I'm serious. The job. Did you speak to them about this? Yes, of course. What do you think? But I think they spoke to everybody. They spoke to every Tom Sikhani. My point would be, Roy, think about it. If you think about, I'm not falling into the trap of, Roy Keane would be great with Ireland, because I'm not close enough to the country, but the idea of you being Ireland would put a massive sort of what would be. Yeah, but the reason you speak to him, because the reason you might take the job, is that you think you can help the team. You obviously think you can help them, whether it be the issues they might have, lack of quality, but you think you try and get them organised, and get a bit of fight and a bit of spirit.

1:24:15Ireland, I know that's not enough always, but they do lack real quality as well, of course. But yeah, I spoke about the job. And plus Roy coming from... But they were speaking, even that was a farce. They were speaking every... The amount of people who've come out in the last six months saying they were offered a job or they spoke to him. But that's the FEI again. I've said it before, they couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery. You know, it is one of them ones. And you look at the manager and you fear for him and he's up against it. You know, there is that real... Do you think any manager could do anything without that group of players, Roy?

1:24:44It'd be tough, Jim. Yeah, it'd be tough. But obviously to lose to Armenia and get well beaten, apparently, that's the sore and I think Ireland have had tough results over the years of course but if you're getting beaten by teams whatever but Portugal and Hungary competing with them if you can't beat the teams then that you're expected to beat then you are up against it so the manager is on huge pressure and Irish media are very powerful over them you showed me last night what would they be like with you Roy? I'd be the same I'd be the same with me they'd be after me are they doubling by us? yeah listen there's a bit of that but again we're on about taking jobs but there's still the idea if someone goes in and thinks they can make a difference but you're missing people like Seamus Coleman there's no Robbie Keane and I know you can't keep going to the past but I still think whatever with the international manager's job if you just compare them obviously to England even Wales they do have a lot more players obviously competing at the highest level and that makes an international manager's job a lot easier so when they turn up they're all ready they're up to speed they're playing top level matches but it are the Irish lads and I watch them week in week out and some of them are playing the Premier League but they're not even that good in the Premier League they're just kind of surviving themselves a lot of players in the championship so when a manager gets them together you have to create something of course but when the referee blows that whistle and they were lucky to get they scored in the last minute against Hungary to get a point even for the first two games and the next game they're away at Portugal so it's Ireland are a long way off getting back to competing at the top

1:26:07Gary Neville: the Dublin Cork thing is that a historic sort of big city capital versus the second there would be an element to that what would be the equivalent in England or what would be equivalent in terms of where's it come from that sort of It's just rivalry over the years in terms of sporting, the cities, a lot of the media are based in Dublin. So they would focus a lot more on, I think they'd be a lot more easier on certain players involved in the Irish squad. So that would be a thing, would it be friendly? The Dublin, yeah, it's almost like looking after certain players. Again, in the other issue, Ireland do have a few players who strut around like they are players, and if they ever win into a decent club or a decent team, they win the last two minutes, and they're kind of the important players for Ireland.

1:26:46There's a bit of ego, a bit of arrogance for Ireland, and they've got nothing to be arrogant about. It's not warranted, are they? Quivin Keller had done OK in the games, which is good for a young goalkeeper.

1:26:56Gary Neville: When you think, and I think of this with Scotland with like Souness and Dalgleish and Hanson, and I think of Ireland with all those players that were there around the time that you broke in. These weren't just like sort of players, they were like top players in Premier League clubs, you know, Division One clubs. But the Scaltern Network, because they have the connection with Irish players back in the day, Liverpool lads, the Ronnie Wheeling, Starstone lads. Is it the grassroots investment? A bit of everything. Yeah, there's a bit of everything. There's loads of issues going on. Facilities, grassroots investment.

1:27:21Yeah, investment in the league, in the stadiums, in League of Ireland. And I think as well, I think in the Irish set-up, I think a lot of players now back in the day when we played, I think your ambition as a young footballer, particularly in Ireland, was to go and play for some of the big clubs. I think some of these Irish players, even I experienced when I was coaching when Martin was there, I think a lot of them are playing for certain clubs. They're on a good wage and they're OK with that. They haven't got that ambition to play for a Man United or a Chelsea or an Arsenal again when you think when I walked into an Irish squad when I was what 1920 would it be Paul McGrath Kevin Moore and Dave O 'Leary Pack they were all playing for big clubs competing the Liverpool lads Ronnie obviously Ronnie's a brilliant player but it's it's the opposite to that no lads who were walking in there

1:28:05Gary Neville: just go through that team that you played in when you first joined with Ireland just let's put where were those players at clubs obviously you had Ray Houghton Ronnie and Packie would have been Celtic obviously competing in trophies you had Dennis Erwin Steve Staunton Liverpool Kevin Moore would have been at United Paul Ronnie Whelan Kevin Sheedy Ray Holm on the right Niall would have been up front Niall John Aldridge you know Andy Townsend was playing so all these lads were turning up competing yeah competing at a really good level no and you walk into an Irish squad and you look at players like there was only maybe the last year or two at a big club but Quivine was at Liverpool and obviously Quivine wasn't exactly a regular so it's yeah it's sad it's a long way back it's a long way back but the FAI as well had to get their house in order what do they need to do because when I talk about the FA historically I think the FA have got the house in order in the last 10 years and I used to say what is the FAI I know you say professionalised maybe but what is it specifically they need to do do you know what Gary get some proper people in there there was people over the last few years who interviewed me for the job they're gone now there's always people coming and going they need to get some proper people into the organisation like a sporting director type thing who's the sporting director of Irish football at the moment I don't know if they've got one.

1:29:16I don't know if they've got one at the moment. Somebody moved on. So with them people gone now, right, if they came back, would you be... Well, I don't know. I don't know. Honestly, right, you don't know until you're kind of asked the question. It's not on my radar that I'm looking... Is that the one? Only because there's a manager in a job. I hear talking about jobs when there's somebody in there. I know. We know you're respectful, but is that the one job that you look at

1:29:35Gary Neville: and you think, obviously, your country because you're passionate about your country? There's obviously an emotion side to it. Of course there would be, yeah. We can't lose you off the podcast. You know, the mad thing of it all, for all the negative stuff, it's still a great job for somebody because you can go in and work in international football. And I love the Florida job. I love the fact of having the players for that two weeks and there's a couple of games coming up, of course. And the England manager said the last few days, he's loving the job because there's a different type of energy to your life.

1:29:56It's not that day in, day out. But you hope this manager can get his act together and get some results. But it doesn't look good. It doesn't look good, man.

1:30:05Gary Neville: No, I'm not sure we need to do any community questions, do we? It's your show, Gary, do we? Is it our show? Have we got one good one? Was the one who's the best owner that's ever been? Roy can be the host. Give him the glasses right there. See if you can see through this. Roy, go on sit in that chair and do it. Come on, Roy, we'll swap chairs. Go on, Roy. Relax. Come on, Roy, come sit over here. And then do the Huel advert. Come on, Roy. Come on, Roy. Darby, do you like to dab? Yeah, I do. No, I'm not moving. Come on, no, relax. Jesus, come on. You're complicating everything. If you could watch one Darby game, what would it be?

1:30:41Newcastle, Sunderland. Is that in England or any derby? Any derby. Boca Juniors, River Plate. Yeah, maybe.

1:30:46Gary Neville: Should we just go and watch it? Yeah. Do you know they're playing in about a few weeks and Oasis are playing in Buenos Aires, I think a week later? Have you been to the stadiums? I've been to board of them stadiums. I know a mate who's going on, he's doing the game. Who is? If anybody's watching Argentina and wants to sort us out some tickets for Boca Juniors at River Plate, then invite us all and we'll come on a trip. Yeah, because that is probably the best. I've never been to Argentina. That's beautiful. I don't think I have, actually. I've been to Brazil. Been to Brazil, yeah. Yeah, I've not been to Argentina.

1:31:16I haven't been to Brazil, neither. You've got to go to that game. That's one of the things you've got to do in your life. Is that on your 50, your bucket list? How far down the list are you? It'll be 51. Have you got your tattoo?

1:31:30Gary Neville: I've not got my tattoo. I need to get a tattoo, actually. You know what? You should get the tattoo live on the show. You're not really brother-centric. You normally see brothers somewhere. That's a good question. One more question. Good question. Would you go to space if you could? I don't think so. You know what? I don't like... Yeah, I think I would. You're getting back. Oh, you're getting back. I just... You wouldn't have to go to Manchester Airport, would you? Surely if you got the chance to go to space, it's going to be cool to see your way. Of course you would. Too scary. You know what worries me about space is the re-entry.

1:32:09you know the re-entry if it goes wrong man one of them tiles I only need one of them one of them tiles to drop off I used to talk about space one of them tiles drop off burning up

1:32:24Gary Neville: you have a suit on this right in Argentina or space space bro because I'd be better I'd have a better chance finding a brother in space than Argentina

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