Roy to Save Spurs, Rooney Backs Carrick & Who Makes Top 4? | Stick to Football EP 120

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2:03Roy Keane: Obviously, you won a chattelon yesterday. The cakes are good.

2:06Jill Scott: Did you win? He did win.

2:07Roy Keane: A little bit, yeah. A little bit.

2:10Gary Neville: What's a little bit? What's a little bit? Well, not a lot. Ed Chamberlain gave me one winner.

2:14Jill Scott: Do you bet on the horses? No.

2:18Wayne Rooney: Don't gamble

2:18Jill Scott: Oh that's good You did buy a horse though didn't you?

2:23Wayne Rooney: Yeah Which With Michael Owen

2:27Gary Neville: I was in that syndicate

2:29Wayne Rooney: No no I had my own ones Oh did you? Yeah They never ran

2:33Gary Neville: Mine never We bought three

2:37Jill Scott: Have you been done over? You all bought horses But they never ran

2:43Gary Neville: So if you buy a horse that's never run I think that's probably not a good thing. But you have bought into horses. And have you enjoyed it? No.

2:50Wayne Rooney: I've never seen them run. You said Chaisy. You'd run with Chaisy. Well, I had one with Chaisy. Which won. Won a few. Right, OK. But then Chaisy sold it without me knowing.

3:01Jill Scott: Did he give you any money?

3:02Wayne Rooney: No, I've just stayed away from them. Oh, we had three.

3:05Ian Wright: Who got you to do that? Sir Alex?

3:07Roy Keane: No. It was Michael. Yeah, there was something. It was me.

3:10Gary Neville: Something going on there. Giggsie. Scolzy.

3:13Wayne Rooney: It was... I think Michael Carrick was in. It was... Sheik and John are a Moscow 8 winner. You've had...

3:18Gary Neville: No, there's two. I think it was two before. We must have had a few more then. I went in with Michael.

3:23Ian Wright: I went in with... I played something with Michael for a year. I remember the Moscow 8 one, yeah.

3:26Gary Neville: I think it's called Box to Box as well.

3:27Jill Scott: Yeah, Box to Box. I got a tip for that and it won.

3:30Ian Wright: Are you in on it now? It's winning. No, I'm getting ready to pay to come out, man, because I ain't got nothing from it since I've been nothing from this horse.

3:37Gary Neville: Right, yeah. I went in because I thought, right, we're all going to stay together. We're going to have some team days out. We're going to have a social experience. Two of ours never ran.

3:43Ian Wright: I think I went to the place where Michael's had honestly it's like it's like heaven for horses why the fuck would a horse want to run when he's got that much the horse is living better than people so you think the hunger had gone from the horses the hunger had gone from the horses man my horse I've never got a penny from it I don't even know what I went in for it but I went to this place I was like it's like a horse heaven spa what Michael had for these horses bro why would the horse run You say, I'm not running my mind, I'm living like this.

4:14Jill Scott: Is this what happens with football? That's Spurs, that's Spurs, isn't it?

4:19Gary Neville: Oh, Spurs. Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing.

4:26Roy Keane: You really want to go as a player, if someone says, because you're going to run to the place, like card schools and karaoke stuff. Surely if you're a player and you play for a big club,

4:34Ian Wright: you want to contribute. When you see somebody who's blatantly out of their depth, it's uncomfortable. He's got to hold up at the end and say, I got that wrong. If he thinks that that is the right situation to put Kingsky into, then he's out of his depth. This is getting impossible to watch, isn't it?

4:50Roy Keane: Yeah, but them players need to look at themselves because I think they've been absolutely disgraceful. When you've been left out, you want an edge to train where you go, these lads are raging, they're fuming. Not everyone coming in going, oh, it was lovely, back at midnight, club sandwich, great. No, no, you want people going, you want an edge to train where you go, he's fuming.

5:11Gary Neville: Shall we start on Spurs or shall we start on Newcastle last night because you were there?

5:16Ian Wright: Let's go Newcastle. Let's go Newcastle.

5:18Wayne Rooney: Newcastle were good. They were doing really good. Barcelona, that's twice I've watched Barcelona now this season. Chelsea away and Newcastle. I just think the tempo and intensity of the Premier League is too much of them.

5:32Ian Wright: Barcelona? Yeah. I think it's really great. But Newcastle were good. What they do though, for Barcelona, because even when you watch them last night after they got the penalty right at the death of Scotland, it's almost like they feel like yes that's what we wanted to do you know what I mean they've gone back they'll probably go through

5:45Wayne Rooney: they'll probably go through when they go back to Barstona but I thought Newcastle were aggressive against them didn't give them time on the ball and Barstona normally where you see them taking the ball didn't really dictate the manage to dictate the game at all and Newcastle just missed that last bit in the final thing quality if you draw away

6:04Roy Keane: from him Joel Linton no I think

6:05Wayne Rooney: I think he's brilliant

6:06Roy Keane: Joel Linton they're midfields good isn't it I love watching Joel Linton When they're at it, Newcastle are decent to watch. They're full of energy and everyone's available. But then they have their off nights as well, don't they, Newcastle?

6:18Wayne Rooney: Yeah, well, they haven't been as good in the league, have they? The squad's been stretched, yeah. The season, but to be fair to them, I think they were unfortunate last night.

6:25Jill Scott: I like Eddie Howe, though. I think whenever they start to lose games, people are like, if they don't do well in the Champions League, is he going to lose his job? But he's done a good job.

6:33Gary Neville: He has done a good job.

6:34Jill Scott: I think he should stay, really. He gets big results to draw with Barcelona, and they should have won, really. the problem with Newcastle

6:41Wayne Rooney: I think is they're expecting them to go and win the league and be in the top three or four every season where they haven't got the players ready to do that at the minute I think they might get there

6:52Roy Keane: in five or six years but yeah the squad's not strong enough to the demands of playing in Europe it does catch up with you especially if you're missing a few players

6:59Ian Wright: especially with the with the Saturday takeover and the door shut on them to spend there's players there that probably would not have been there has he spent already

7:06Roy Keane: I wonder what he's spent

7:07Ian Wright: you know we're talking about spend because you're thinking that the Saudis are coming in with that money you're going to get to that place Eddie Hall I'd love to know what he's spent

7:14Roy Keane: since he's gone in there he must have spent a few

7:16Wayne Rooney: the problem we've got is the two lads up top Whistler and Volta Madder

7:20Jill Scott: yeah

7:21Wayne Rooney: I was watching them run after the game last night and two players who've come in he spent a lot of money on them and in the running the players who didn't play last night the two of them were at the back were they after the game yeah like the pick because obviously they were subs yeah so they the two of them were just lacking behind you think if you've gone into a club you're not playing you haven't had an impact

7:44Gary Neville: I can understand that with Ultima because I can't imagine he's going to be the front of the running but Visser that surprised me I thought he would be more

7:50Roy Keane: you've got to experience players like that there's another thing I know they do that after a game it's hard it's hard for a player you're going to a club and you're full of energy and you're not playing after a European game you're doing box to box as a manager you go you're all in it together don't get me wrong let's do that tomorrow or you might do it off today or whatever it might be. Sometimes these lads, I'm not that shocked you're not at the top of them.

8:15Jill Scott: But they might be giving a day off tomorrow so that everyone But sometimes you have to go, will that make a difference

8:19Roy Keane: in their careers? Six box-to-box or eight box-to-box runs when you're trying to keep them all on side.

8:24Wayne Rooney: The last on the team, lads were doing it at the same time and you could see the difference in...

8:29Ian Wright: How did Vista play? Because I've been interested in Vista. He didn't play. None of them? Come on, them two.

8:37Gary Neville: So you think... Who did he start up front with? Because I was watching the Solford game.

8:40Wayne Rooney: Harvey Barnes? No, what's the lad who scored against United? What are you on? The lad who came on to the Sol? Oh, yeah. Big and Chinade. Oh, what a goal. Asula. Oh, look at that. Asula. Asula started. He'd done well, actually. Pretty well. Caused him back a problem, running behind. It was just, once he got in there, he couldn't sort his feet out and you could see a lack of quality really with him. And then Anthony Gordon, who was ill, came on for half an hour. so that's worrying for the other two lads How can you be ill and come on for half an hour? We had this a bit yesterday I'm sure you did

9:14Roy Keane: It's bizarre isn't it? Yeah You look at Vista Can I just say quickly on Vista girl? Andy Gordon Oh Gary I know because you don't interview him last year you thought he was a really nice lad but do you know what I mean? Roy we can't

9:24Gary Neville: We can't How can you be ill but I can come on for a half an hour? There's two things One Anthony Gordon hasn't got a history of not turning up

9:30Wayne Rooney: I don't think

9:31Gary Neville: He turns up to be fair to me

9:32Wayne Rooney: No I'm not saying that but Eddie I said before the game that we've looked at and he's probably got 20 or 30 minutes in him. So what's that telling you? The sports are saying, and the doctors are saying, if you're ill, you're ill, you shouldn't be there. I just don't mean that against him.

9:45Roy Keane: When I hear players going, they're not fit enough, but they can be on the bench, they can give us a half an hour. But let's say you're coming back

9:49Gary Neville: from a two or three day illness of food poisoning, or you're coming back from a two or three day illness of flu, and you just don't feel right, and you're not starting to give up, I think that's fully acceptable. No, but you think you'd be sitting on the bench for an hour, and you think, I'd be all right for an hour.

10:00Wayne Rooney: Well, he walked past us before the game, and he wouldn't shake our hands. He said, because I'm ill, I don't want you to catch something. But then he's going in the dressing room with his team.

10:10Gary Neville: Are you debating the fact that someone can't be ill and returning from illness and can't be sub because they're not quite ready to play?

10:15Roy Keane: Yeah, no, it's not against... When you hear about players, you hear every week, managers go, he's not fit enough to start, but he'll be all right on the bench. But something might happen after five minutes. You go, well, actually, there's been an injury or something, but I'll have to save you for the last half an hour. I don't get it. I think you're fit.

10:30Jill Scott: I think the level of the game now although you have to be right.

10:34Roy Keane: All right, if he's not right, you've got to start him. If I have to take you off half to half, you're that important to him. You'd rather start him. Yeah, start him. You can't be sitting on the bench going, I'm not feeling groggy. Well, you're not going to feel better sitting on the bench for an hour, are you?

10:44Jill Scott: Maybe the Tottenham keeper was ill. Maybe that's why he came off.

10:48Gary Neville: Sure, we're going to be ill today. You said Lewis Hall played well against... Yeah. I mean, you are. Yeah. Do you think he's England's left-back out? Do you think Nico O 'Reilly or Livermento? Where do you think on... I'm not sure on O 'Reilly at left-back.

11:03but

11:05Wayne Rooney: I really like Livramento I think he's obviously depends how he comes back from back to fitness now but Lewis Hall the last few games I've watched him I think he's done really well he should go though shouldn't he he should definitely go

11:17Ian Wright: he's quite consistent Luke Shaw

11:19Wayne Rooney: has been there as well I think he's done well of late

11:22Gary Neville: I don't think he'll take Luke you know I don't know but I think to be fair to him he's done well he has done well

11:29Jill Scott: yeah

11:31Roy Keane: what's up I'm saying not, and I'm just going to enjoy the show. Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing.

11:41Gary Neville: I was speaking to Kyle Walker the other day, and I said to him, it's a strange time to retire, because in your position, Rhys James, Trippier, Trent Alexander-Arnold, Joe Gomez, lads that maybe would play, they're all susceptible to injuries. They could all go down. You could end up being back in. Yeah, but he wants to be out. No, my point, I know, he wants to control. But did he say he... Do you think he's doing it so is he could? Yeah, I just reckon he will just go in...

12:03Wayne Rooney: But when he got back in, he was called upon.

12:06Ian Wright: Surely you can't want to go in that many caps? You've got to try and see what he's got. No, but I think he's got some points.

12:10Gary Neville: I think he feels he's being... He hasn't cleared for a while, has he? Yeah, I think Kyle feels like he should probably, you know, I think he feels like he's done enough to continue to keep his place in the squad.

12:19Ian Wright: Does he get a German cold shoulder?

12:22Gary Neville: Probably, but I think still, those lads do get injured at full-back for England. They do get injured. There's not really a consistent... You know, Kieran's had a lot of injuries. Rhys James, obviously, has had a lot of injuries, but he's fit at the moment. Exactly, yeah.

12:35Wayne Rooney: He's been fit for a while. We've seen that with Cara, haven't we? Yeah. When Cara retired and then he gets called up to... So, listen, I think if Thomas Tuchel wants him...

12:44Roy Keane: But would a player like Walker be happy? Would he be happy to go over there and be on the bench for every game? I think he would. You think he would? Yeah. I don't think he'd expect to start. You've been a regular for 10, 15. I don't think he's that...

12:54Gary Neville: I mean, look, to be fair, I did that a couple of times under Capello. I wasn't one of them. I always felt with England that it wasn't my job to retire. I should be retired. They should not pick me. You don't get picked at the beginning, then you get picked. You might get picked and not picked during the career, and then you don't get picked at the end. That's it. But others, lads who I've absolutely loved to bits, who have been unbelievable players from England, retired and chose their own moment. They said, no, I want to know what I'm doing. The idea of, am I in this squad? Am I not in this squad?

13:22Gary Neville: Am I going to be... They didn't like it. I retired. but I

13:25Wayne Rooney: I don't know because I think sometimes you get picked on reputation as well and I remember speaking to Gareth Southgate and said I don't feel I should be in the squad because I weren't playing for Man United so I think sometimes you end up just because of your reputation and being there you're getting picked when you really don't deserve it Did you have your last game at Wembley?

13:46Jill Scott: Did you?

13:46Wayne Rooney: That was a

13:47Jill Scott: you had like a send off

13:48Wayne Rooney: for charity

13:49Roy Keane: Are you comfortable with that decision though? Yeah

13:53Wayne Rooney: I think because I felt like obviously Harry Kane was coming into the team and I felt like I was getting picked when really you didn't deserve it I went playing I've always felt that you should be

14:05Roy Keane: playing for your club because you haven't said to him don't pick me while I'm not playing but if I get back in the team and I get back into yeah

14:09Wayne Rooney: and that's what I did and he'd done that when I was at Man United with Mourinho so I had that conversation with him and he didn't and when I went to Everton he called me up back into the squad after the first few games of the season and I just didn't feel I was deserving of it really

14:29Jill Scott: but your experience in and around the squad that's so important like Kyle Walker would be great wouldn't he for the younger players

14:36Wayne Rooney: sometimes it brings more out to do with the players if you're not there as well do you think yeah

14:40Roy Keane: how do you know he'd be great I'm serious different lads have different personality different traits you have this impression obviously you're trying to get a squad even we've all been involved in tournaments but not everyone is great around the place if they're not playing Yeah, I feel like Kyle Walker would be.

14:54Jill Scott: How do you know?

14:55Gary Neville: We had Kyle in when we were obviously with Roy. I think you obviously played with Kyle and you didn't play every single game with us because we had Glenn Johnson and he was actually subbed. In the tournament, right. Yeah, so when we were there, Glenn Johnson was the number one right back and Kyle was sort of there as the sort of younger one but was pushing through at the time. Right. I mean, he was always pretty, he was always good.

15:12Wayne Rooney: It's different though when you've played and you've been the number one right back for so many years and then...

15:17Roy Keane: But is it a problem for lads like that if you still think you're better than the lads playing? I think these lads are now going yeah this lad James whoever and they're brilliant yeah you have to take your medicine but I think the frustration might be you're getting a bit older but I still think I'm better than him like Jordan Henderson was at the last World Cup but the Euros ride when we discussed it we're taking to bring in Jordan anyway because again he's great around the place you go do you really want to go as a player if someone says because you're going to fucking run the place like card schools and fucking karaoke stuff surely if you're a player and you play for a big club you want to go and you want to contribute no but I think

15:47Gary Neville: your thought as a manager you've got 11 players I remember as a player I think, look, you've been part of international squads. You pick 15, 16 lads, you know they're going to be picked because they're actually the best players. But the four or five that are on the end that you're thinking, right...

16:01Wayne Rooney: Lads are three players as well now, haven't they? Yeah, they're 26.

16:03Gary Neville: So you do want people who you think, OK, they're probably not going to play a massive part, but we need people who can train well day after a game, people who are not going to sulk, people who are not going to bring the atmosphere down. People who aren't going to sap the energy of the place. Because there's some people who did that. When I was there... Of course there was. That's my point. So you get rid of them. so Jordan to be fair he's a great professional no no no go ahead I'm listening he's a great lad

16:27Roy Keane: he's a lovely I gave him his debut so you'd have Jordan there every day of the week he's got a kind of four or five Jordan you were like expert you've got players who've played at big clubs going are you happy to be around the place well yeah and you go but I've got four or five happy to be around the place but not really pushing to get in the team you don't need that either would you be happy

16:44Wayne Rooney: going in that role I wouldn't you know what though

16:48Jill Scott: I did it at the Euros really like it was my kind of role. I still felt I actually believed that I could come on in games but it's them days when you get back to the hotel, it's midnight and the next day you've got a blowout and there's like, a lot of the girls are so disappointed they're not playing. You probably don't hold that disappointment because you know your place and you're like, motivate and try and get them going. I'm not just saying it because I did it a little bit but I do think it's important if you've got all young players who want to be playing, it does zap the energy out of the team.

17:18Jill Scott: Of course.

17:18Roy Keane: But also, So you want loads of players around the place happy to be left out. That's my point. Yeah, it's a balance. You want to put the lads running last night or training the next day. When you've been left out, you want an edge to train where you go, these lads are raging, they're fuming. Not everyone coming in going, oh, it was lovely. Back at midnight, club sandwich, great. No, no, you want people going, you want an edge to train where you go, he's fuming.

17:37Wayne Rooney: If I was in the squad and I weren't playing and then Joe Nansen comes up to me and says, oh, come on, be happy.

17:44Roy Keane: Yeah, yeah, of course.

17:45Wayne Rooney: No, come on, lads. Jesus, man.

17:47Roy Keane: I'll be devastated. Gary, you've been in the studio too long. That's the reality. Oh, right. But you want lads, you're never going to make progress as a team.

17:55Gary Neville: I did this at United for the last couple of years where I had a choice to make.

17:58Roy Keane: I'm not, this is international stuff. No, but even...

18:01Gary Neville: Club stuff is different. You're under contract. International stuff is different. You're deciding whether you're playing 25 games a season and you're happy and you know you're not going to be picked for 25 games a season, which to be fair is an acceptance of that, which to be fair you don't particularly like. But you just basically, what I would call good, good guardian...

18:16Wayne Rooney: If I weren't playing at Man United when you were there in this role? And you come up to me and say, oh, come on, Wazza. No, the way... Would I sit there and say,

18:24Gary Neville: oh, yeah, you're right, guys, I wouldn't. No, but the way in Rooney or Roy Keane that played at your level, and there aren't many people playing at your level, by the way, let's just be clear. There aren't many people playing with your mentalities, so let's be clear, you're just a different type of person. You know what I mean? You are. So you have to play, or else it's a problem. Just because purely your standards, the levels you're at, the quality that you have. I think if you, someone else... So why are you going then, keeping the other six or seven players who aren't going to start to keep them happy.

18:48Gary Neville: No, but to be fair, when you've got a squad of 24 players going to a tournament and you've got Jordan Henderson there as an example, just using him as an example, right? And I'm sure there are other people that are examples of doing this. I'm sure Scott Carson at Manchester City is the third goalkeeper and Tom Heaton at Man United. These have got to be good lads because they're travelling every week with the squad. They can't be arseholes, these guys. They've got to be good lads because they're basically never going to play. So squad number 21... That's different, then. That's club. Squad number 21, 22, 23 are not going to play.

19:13Gary Neville: the third goalkeeper is not going to play you're looking at those four lads and you're thinking right, Jordan Henderson will accept the situation as an experienced player that he's not playing because he knows that Anderson and Declan Rice and lads like that are better than him however he'll be ready to play he's professional he's not accepting he doesn't play he just knows the position that he's in He's accepting the situation The career, yeah it's like a I think for you two I do think your mentalities are different

19:37Roy Keane: because you just I know but we're kind of arguing about different points I agree Jordan Henderson and your group you can't have four or five Jordan Henderson in your group with a train and then hasn't even got an edge to it because what you want in any coaching you want your players to be upset if they're not playing you can't have lads in the background going I'm happy to pick him up you're on about your situation and I did you also don't want loads of lads happy in the background just picking up their few bob you want them to come in to go who's going to push these lads because otherwise the first team lads go I can chill out because Jordan's happy to be here yeah but the manager needs someone the manager needs four or five yeah but not too many of them no it's a balance

20:06Jill Scott: so you can't have all the ones that are going to have an edge. We're agreeing on the same thing.

20:11Gary Neville: What would be interesting when you've got... Would you not take him as a coach? Who's that? Jordan. Well, I think he can play, can't he? He could be part of the coaching team. I'm sure they do. I'm sure that Thomas Tuchel is using Jordan Henderson differently than he's using Cole Palmer. I'm sure he's going, you know, sitting in some... I'm sure he's having like 10 minutes with him and saying, Jordan, what do you think about this? How so-and-so? How are they? I'm sure he's bringing him in.

20:33Ian Wright: So, Wes, if they said to you, because you said, I couldn't do that. What if they said to you, listen, I want you to come in, I want you, as a coach. Yeah. Would you do it there? Yeah, of course,

20:42Wayne Rooney: that's different.

20:43Ian Wright: Yeah, but then he knows that he's just saying that to you so you can just come and do it. But what would your attitude be towards it if you're like the coach? Because if I'm in there and Wayne Rooney's there trying to put, I'm delighted with that.

20:54Wayne Rooney: No, if Thomas Tews will phone me up tomorrow and say, I want you to come in as a coach and be around the players and lift them the day after the game, can you get them going a bit and stuff, of course you would. As a player, you mean? No, not as a player, no. Your phone's going to be ringing tomorrow. No, but as a coach, it's different. But if you go on as a player, if they're taking Jordan N for that reason, I think there's probably players still better than them who they can bring in to the team and be ready to play more and say to them, OK, can you come as a coach?

21:22Roy Keane: If you're taking a session, if you're taking players, remember most players who go in international football are our kind of main guys at their club. If you're doing a session after a game and you're taking these, the fringe players who are regulars, and they're all happy clappy the next day and happy to be there. You're in trouble. You're in trouble as a team, whether it be England, Brazil, whoever it might be. You need an edge to trade. You need lads to get off the bus the next morning. You go, this is going to be short and sharp. These lads are edgy. But surely, Roy, that's when you need that experienced player who keeps that session.

21:49Roy Keane: One of them. Not too many of them. You get the one for you, you go, listen, keep an eye on these lads here today and we'll have a look at the one. You need that energy, that edge.

21:57Ian Wright: I'm disappointed that Wayne wouldn't come in as a player because I think that if Wayne was in that group as the older England player and he's doing it and going for it. I can see it.

22:07Roy Keane: Wayne was at this level.

22:09Ian Wright: But this is why if you're taking even more notice of him.

22:11Roy Keane: Yeah, you can't then go and just obviously you can't because again, these lads, what it be, Michael Owen, they've been main guys since they were 17.

22:19Wayne Rooney: I don't know, not to like them, but for the pay because I played like when Sturridge came in I got pushed out to play on the left wing and stuff like that where I'm like, I don't know, and then there's probably players who were better to play off the left wing than me, but that's what I was saying before. I felt like because of your reputation, you're in the team, but you're moved around in the team. You are different.

22:40Gary Neville: I remember in 2004, your first tournament, you're 18, I'm 28, and I remember on the day of the game against Portugal, and you were like, you couldn't wait for the game. You were literally, I remember you were outside fucking playing head tennis on the fucking tennis court, and I was like, you need to calm down. You said, no, I can't fucking wait. I didn't play my football career like that. I was, I felt,

23:00Wayne Rooney: I didn't, for the next 10 years. No, I know. You were like,

23:05Gary Neville: you felt when you walked out onto the pitch, I'm going to win this game for my team. That is a completely different mentality than sort of like, you know, other players that are in the squad. I mean, one of the things that I think with Thomas Tuchel in the summer, I don't know why we're supposed to see England here, but I think, to me, I'm thinking that you've got Morgan Rodgers, you've got Cole Palmer, Phil Foden, Jude Bellingham, and only one or two of them can play. Eze. Yeah. Five. You've only got one or two of them that can play. Right.

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26:55Gary Neville: Right, Tottenham. I mean, to be fair, if you're a Tottenham fan right now, this morning, I'm expecting, by the way, someone to walk in and say that... Yeah, he's gone. Yeah, I'm expecting that.

27:07Ian Wright: You know, the thing is as well, I was thinking about it last night. You know, no one, you have to say, you don't want to see anybody get sacked, but when you see somebody who's blatantly out of their depth, right, it's uncomfortable from the time he's got in there. I remember when I said, when he was talking to Evander Venn and he blanked him, he was just, he was talking to him, he's blanked, I said, these players are not listening to this brother. And then for him to make that decision, for that poor goalkeeper, That was awful, wasn't it? Right? For him to go into a game like that, at a club like that, right?

27:39Ian Wright: Atletico Madrid, to start. Listen, I don't know what he's seen in training, but for me, Vicario is the number one. Plays in that game, you do that in another game for him, because now, look at this guy, you know what it's like when you're going for that seminal game in your career, you know, this is the big one. Can you imagine when Kinski heard that he's playing, he was like, right, got to get everything right. And then he has the nightmare, that's the biggest nightmare since the Liverpool goalkeeper.

28:02Gary Neville: Karius, yeah. Yeah. To be fair, over the last year or so, I've thought that maybe, why do managers wait till half-time when there's something that's quite clearly going wrong in the first half of a match and you can see it's not going well, but a lot of them do wait till half-time because of the respect thing.

28:18Wayne Rooney: There's no way I think he could have waited. He's tried to protect him, man. He's tried to protect him, but it's obviously... It looks horrendous. I think the biggest issue was starting him. That's exactly what the biggest issue was starting him. My big problem last night...

28:33Ian Wright: Has anybody ever been taken off that early for playing that? I don't... It was Joe Carr. Yeah, but I was taken off. 24 minutes. But why...

28:40Roy Keane: You know, when I know Fiel has taken off, he's having a bad time. But when a goalkeeper's taken off, I know the game and all the goals against him we're looking at and the way they get it finished. there's an outpouring of grief because it's the goalkeeper but why? but what's with all do you know what I'm talking about last night the mistakes he made wasn't necessarily goalkeeper mistakes it wasn't saves it was playing out from the back trying to be too smart he's trying to be too smart he's trying to play it he's trying to balls come back to him he's trying to play with his left foot so obviously self-inflicted I get that but when a goalkeeper makes mistakes all the other goalkeepers in the world come out and go oh I feel for him I'm heartbroken what about other players making mistakes are strikers missing open goals and we've said obviously players have been brought off after 20 odd minutes so if the manager feels he's not up to us he might cost obviously he's a nervous wreck but I tell you what you would say to your goalkeeper before the game I don't care what the manager says we're playing Atletico Madrid away we know what they're like they'll be hunting us down certainly for the first 5, 10, 15, 20 minutes maybe 90 odd minutes let's not mess about at the back and let's not keep going back to our goalkeeper who the players would have picked up is a bit of a nervous wreck

29:41Wayne Rooney: he's done it in the warm up apparently

29:43Roy Keane: right of course he slipped in there of course just slipping and it's up to them I think we're both. The warm-up apparently

29:49Wayne Rooney: had to come out.

29:49Roy Keane: So why keep going back to the goalkeeper? And then the goalkeeper, the first goal, he's trying to be smart and pick him. Listen, when you're going away to Atletico Madrid, don't think for one minute you're going to be picking people out after 10 or 15 minutes. They're going to haunt you. So it's all self-inflicted. But then when he gets taken off, we're talking about it today, and all the goalkeepers come out. It's only because, Roy,

30:05Ian Wright: you don't normally see it happen like that because the mistake, it was calamitous and you're just feeling for him and you're thinking, the last thing I was thinking was, is he going to, Is he going to stay on up and see if he can redeem himself? Honestly, I was never saying for him when he got taken off.

30:23Wayne Rooney: I'm just starting him as the biggest one. Take him off. He's doing it for the right reason. He's trying to protect him. But the manager's trying to... Why not give him some love?

30:32Ian Wright: You should have gave him some love on the way off. Yeah, he should have definitely. Half an hour after the game. No, but you said you're half-time. I'm not different to that, mate. If you were taken off...

30:40Wayne Rooney: If I got took off, would you want to cook off your manager?

30:42Roy Keane: You know something? Can I be honest? There's something strange about goalkeepers. Goalkeepers don't go after each other. when they're doing pondetry, he's made a couple of mistakes, huge mistakes, but there's overreaction to him. I think the manager just gave him... So did any of us think Spurs were going to get through against Atletico over the two games? No. Not a chance. But it's obviously self-inflicted after 10 or 15 minutes.

31:02Wayne Rooney: I had a derby, the manager at Derby, the keeper had told him not to mess around at the back and he'd done it three times and nearly got caught. So it was like 12 minutes into the game. So I told you the keeper to warm up and I shouted on to him, you've got one more chance, you do it again, you're coming off. So I would have took him off less than what happened last night. So I think you... You ain't got no problem with it? So I have no problem with him taking him off and should he hug him? If I just close off after 20 minutes, I wouldn't want to hug off my manager. And he can have a word, he can speak to him after the game, but I think he's done the right thing and taken him off and tried to protect him because if it went worse, then...

31:36Wayne Rooney: I thought it was brutal. It was brutal. It is brutal, but that's football.

31:40Gary Neville: I just thought the whole thing off the back of the last few weeks and then that, just to be fair, the whole thing is a car crash. It's a shambles.

31:48Wayne Rooney: Yeah, it is. The problem was starting him.

31:49Gary Neville: And just this quote, I think, Waz, you've hit the nail on the head. The problem was with starting him. The problem I had at the end of the game was actually Tudor's interview. I think he's got to come in there and say, look, I got this wrong. I should have left Vicario in net. But he didn't. He doubled down. He said, I've been coaching 15 years. I've never done this. It was necessary to preserve the guy, preserve the team. Incredible situation. Tony's a very good goalkeeper. It was, for me, the right decision to play him. And, of course, after this happens, it's easy to say that it was not the right decision.

32:15Gary Neville: It wasn't. So he says it's the right decision to play a young goalkeeper in the Atletico Madrid Stadium against a Simeone team. That cannot be right. It's not right because... He's got to hold up at the end and say, I got that wrong.

32:26Ian Wright: He's out of his depth. If he thinks that that is the right situation to put Kingsky into, then he is out of his depth because then we've seen exactly what's happened because the guy is definitely not ready for that.

32:36Roy Keane: The only thing I say right about it, the vibes over last week is that Spurs almost, forget this European football stuff, they've got to stay up. So he's probably thinking, well, I need my... I'm just trying to see it from a manager's point of view. And I'll see what will decide your career. These big decisions and they're backfiring at the moment. But he's probably thinking, I need my goalkeeper to make sure he's fit for the league games coming up. Because the league is more important than the European versus Spurs. That's a big game to do in, Roy. No, but it's just the next game. No, but he's also thinking, we won't get past Atletico on the two legs.

33:04Roy Keane: So he's got to make sure our top keeper is ready for Liverpool. And Forrest coming up. They're more important games. It's just the way the game panned out. And he's obviously made too much...

33:11Wayne Rooney: I'd rather him come out and say something like that then. The problem I had with this interview yesterday was when he got asked about his future and he just said no comment.

33:18Jill Scott: Yeah, I thought...

33:20Wayne Rooney: I said that a few times though. No comment?

33:24Jill Scott: He didn't come across very likeable. Surely if you're going into Tottenham, you need them to stay up. You need somebody with a bit of personality, get the fans on side. There were so many questions where he didn't want to answer and I think it was Joe Hart was like, that's your job as a manager. you can answer it

33:41Wayne Rooney: and not answer it at the same time but just by saying no comment

33:44Ian Wright: it's like when he was asked about getting ready to play Arsenal he was talking about Arsenal remember you're a Tottenham man same with Thomas Frank with the Arsenal Cup these guys got to understand he's talking about Arsenal as one of the greatest teams in the world and Tottenham fans after we just hammered them a 4-1 again these men have got to read the room bro could Spurs get Jordan Henderson in

34:06Ian Wright: if everyone had lived

34:08Roy Keane: did a call count

34:09Jill Scott: Your callbacks are on fire.

34:12Ian Wright: You're in karaoke. You know something? I think Tottenham, what are they waiting for now? You know what I'll do? I'll bring in Robbie Keane.

34:20Gary Neville: Righty, to be fair, I have to say, I don't think any of us have ever asked for a manager to be sacked and I don't think we ever will. But this is getting impossible to watch, isn't it?

34:28Wayne Rooney: Yeah, but then players need to look at themselves because I think they've been at absolute disgrace. I do. I think the performances, the attitude, the lack of desire, the lack of faith, lack of anything

34:39Ian Wright: in them what would you want to hear you want to hear stuff like people fighting in training and everything that's what we should be

34:45Wayne Rooney: I was watching the Palace game the other day and I was I said the name last week I really felt sorry if the Tottenham fans I'm looking at the Tottenham fans and they're sat in there and they're just like they're not even angry no more they're just disappointed but this has been ongoing

34:57Roy Keane: this has gone back to last season but then players need to look themselves but this has gone back to last season obviously they got out of jail with Europe with their league form league defeats at home their record this year particularly at home

35:07Jill Scott: He is right about the players though because he's saying about the manager being ignored. They did that with Thomas Franklin as well, didn't they? So surely at some point do a look at the players.

35:16Roy Keane: Them Tottenham players, do you know what? They look like hard work. They look like hard work.

35:21Ian Wright: That's what I'm thinking, Gary. Who comes in? You said Robbie Keane. Robbie's got a contract somewhere though. Are they going to give him a two or three-year contract? If you're Robbie Keane now, would you go into Tottenham?

35:29Jill Scott: He's playing in Europe, isn't he? I would go.

35:31Ian Wright: Yeah, because if he goes down... He's got a job, isn't he? No, my point is though, if he got off of the Tottenham job, that's a big job in the Premier League. And his team are in Europe at the moment. But now with that group of players. Yeah, but Robbie Keane's getting that. If he gets that opportunity, he's going to be thinking that he can be going in there. No, they need somebody to go just short term.

35:47Roy Keane: I'm not saying Robbie can do it, but he's a manager of a team in Europe. This is just a two or three-month job.

35:52Ian Wright: If you get that person for another three-month, and he comes in and then he's got this same player. Look what you're saying, Don.

35:57Roy Keane: With Carrick. Ian.

35:58Gary Neville: But Robbie's not going to leave a job for a three-month deal at Spurs, is he? Ian, I want to ask you a question. So Daniel Levy gets booted out of the club, obviously, and that's something that was welcomed by Tottenham fans at the time. And obviously before that, I think he'd appointed Vinay, the guy who's meant to be widely regarded, highly respected from Arsenal. And he's now running Tottenham Hotspur Football Club, unless obviously the owner who's over in wherever he is. Mr Lewis. Mr Lewis, he's running it from over where he is, which I doubt. Sabotage. So, Vinay. Agent Vinay. He's sending Agent Vinay.

36:34Gary Neville: No, go on, gal. So Vinay's gone in, he's got a massive respiration, he's run a football club, at Arsenal everyone's talking and raving about him as being sort of like a brilliant CEO. What is going on? He's overseeing this.

36:48Ian Wright: Well Gary, obviously the way Tottenham is run is totally different to the way Arsenal's run in respect to him going in. But he's seen high quality at Arsenal. I think that again, he's somebody that's gone across there and thinks that he can like any manager does, you think well I can go in there and I could change that. He's obviously thought that, he's gone in there and there's a lot of things happening. Look, Daniel Levy, I'm sure that when he went in there, he wouldn't be expecting Daniel Levy to be gone not too long after he's been there. He's gone in there to try and make changes. There's things going on at Tottenham that we don't know about why, for some reason, the leadership level from that club, from top to bottom, it's just not there.

37:19Ian Wright: You can't see it anywhere in the structure of Tottenham. So I don't know if he's trying to bring that in. I don't know how you bring that into Tottenham. But, like, in being from Arsenal, it doesn't make any difference.

37:29Gary Neville: But he will have appointed Tudor as the coach. He'll have looked at that and sort of made that decision. Obviously, I don't think any of us at the time...

37:36Ian Wright: Listen, you can look back now and it's... Why didn't they just stick with Thomas Frank? Why didn't they just stick with Thomas Frank? Exactly. You know, somebody who came up with Brentford, done what he's done, he would have been able to see it through. But I'd go with Wayne. The players have got to ask themselves a lot of questions because that manager was able to motivate a team that you would have to say cost a lot less than what Tottenham would have cost and he could get that team going. So it's an attitude problem. It's something to do with that.

37:59Gary Neville: Do you think they will make it? Do you think they will make it? I mean, it was four weeks ago we were sat here where, obviously, Thomas Frank was sacked. Only four weeks ago. Do we think we'll be seeing Tottenham have another manager before the end of the season? Yeah.

38:10Jill Scott: I think, yeah, because I think he was brought in for instant impact and it's four games, 14 goals conceded.

38:17Roy Keane: It doesn't seem from his decision... What's their game's coming up now? Liverpool weekend, Forest the following weekend, obviously they've got a haircut. Sorry?

38:23Ian Wright: You know, the thing with that is, is that anybody who's playing them, you're looking forward to playing them. Especially at Tottenham. I don't want them to go down, though.

38:32Jill Scott: I feel like for the Premier League, it would be sad.

38:34Gary Neville: You've all just nodded. Do you want that sad bit of Tottenham? Look, I refuse to predict relegation every year and did do for 10, 12, 13, 14 years because I hated it, the idea of seeing a club go down. But I'd be more sad. I must admit, seeing Tottenham go down wouldn't be great for Tottenham fans and I think Tottenham are an amazing club, but it would be very good for the Premier League from a competitive perspective and the idea of Leeds staying up, of Sunderland staying up. Because I tell you what, I was more worried about at the start of the season that every club that came up was just going straight back down again.

39:05Gary Neville: So actually, I think the Premier League doesn't necessarily need Tottenham to go down, but it needs clubs other than the ones that come up to go down. It would be sad to go down, but maybe they've had it coming.

39:15Ian Wright: Yeah, all them kind of clubs are in that place where you're kind of... This doesn't happen. No, this has gone back to the last year. Yeah, but the thing is as well, Roy, because we've been seeing the teams that's coming up from the Championship and then they go straight down, it's like there's a... Do you think they will go down? You know something, Gal? I think they could go down.

39:31Roy Keane: Yeah, we know they could go down.

39:32Ian Wright: Do you think they will go down?

39:34Jill Scott: I think they'll steal.

39:35Ian Wright: Good question. Let me go, because I've got to be careful here. Because I said, again, I said it on the air, I wouldn't be happy for them to go down. I like the derby and everything like that. But I believe they will go down.

39:45Roy Keane: Yeah, but they'll get somebody in, right?

39:46Ian Wright: I think they'll go down. If Liverpool in the weekend. Last week I didn't.

39:50Wayne Rooney: And then after seeing what's happened over the last couple of games, I think they'll go down.

39:53Ian Wright: But when you look at the players, and I'm thinking, the look in the dressing room, Who is the player? They'll bring in a manager. A manager will come in and get Lads together.

40:00Gary Neville: I don't think they will go down. I think that, to be fair, you've all just said there that you think that they'll make another change. If you're going to make another change, that, for me, probably needs to be today or tomorrow. Because you don't wait. And if they don't make the change, they will go down with this guy. I think, to be fair, my view is they'll make a change and they'll stay up.

40:18Jill Scott: Yeah, I think so.

40:19Gary Neville: That's what I think will happen. You think so too?

40:23Jill Scott: Do you think they need to bring someone in I think he's got a bit of history with the club.

40:26Wayne Rooney: Maybe, Gillian. Do you think they'll stay up? I think they'll go down. Honestly, Garl, that's why I was saying if I was Robbie Keane now, I wouldn't go in. You're going? If I was Robbie Keane, I wouldn't leave a job to go into Tottenham now. If you share with all of you who's out of a job, I'd go in, but if I was Robbie Keane, there's no way I'd leave a job to go into Tottenham. Not until the end of the season.

40:49Ian Wright: If they go down, then you've got that kind of guy to bring you back up, Robbie Keane, somebody who's got affinity with a club.

40:53Gary Neville: I don't think the players will buy into the idea of just bringing in someone who basically is... Never into it. They won't bring someone in. I don't think that group of players will buy into the idea of bringing someone in who's not been a coach for a long time just because they used to play for the club. I think they'll just see right through that. It'll have to be someone who's been coaching recently, I think. You have to take him from someone? Well, either that or someone who's basically out of work at the moment but has been coaching recently and who's actually done that type of job. I mean, I'm not saying if it's an ex-Tottenham man, yeah.

41:23Gary Neville: but Sean Dyche would take that job now wouldn't he Sean Dyche would take that job now 100 % if they said to Sean Dyche come and do it till the end of the season well what I'm saying to you is to be in the game and have a chance to manage a top 6 team I know they're not at the moment it's ridiculous saying that but they are a massive they must be thinking about him they must be thinking about someone like him yeah listen if that happened you'd be like

41:44Ian Wright: okay yeah I wonder what Tottenham fans will think about that I wonder if they'll be thinking Sean Dyche

41:47Roy Keane: I think they'd get their heads around if they can keep us up they must be worried now

41:52Wayne Rooney: I think they need someone to go in. I think they need someone like Roy to go in and just absolutely batter them. I don't know. I don't batter people all the time. No, I know. But you know what you wouldn't take? What you wouldn't take. I mean, go in and... Really give them a wake-up. They need some fear put into them, I think. I'm not sure they'll respond to that at all.

42:12Gary Neville: Those players don't give two fucks.

42:14Ian Wright: So then why... Thanks for the backing, lads. Cheers, Wayne. You think that this manager, this manager they're going to pluck out of somewhere? Because remember, everybody's like contracted they're going to save them and you're saying that these players right I think they'll stay up

42:28Gary Neville: because I don't my view would be I don't think these players would respond to someone going in Tudor I think has given them a bit of a hard time in the public I don't think they like that at all so I don't this guy's stop in the right fit this guy's tried to go in a bit but he's tried to go in a bit harder be a bit sort of more regimented disciplined it's not working they're rejecting him 100 % they're rejecting him they will need someone to go in who's got more of a man management ability right

42:49Ian Wright: as a manager right you're going into that dressing room You see what's happening with Thomas Frank. Are you going to go in there with a bullish attitude or are you going to go in there and give them... Ah, love. I'd bring some love.

43:00Jill Scott: That's what I'm saying.

43:01Ian Wright: Spa days. You've got to give them something because then the Tottenham fans will say, OK, that's what I'm saying right here. But I don't think that... That's because the manager is out of his debt. He doesn't know how to deal with the situation. He shouldn't be there in the first place. That explains the pictures. And that might take them down. His little spell might take Tottenham down. So we asked you now ago, are they staying up? No. I think Tottenham are going down. I have a bet.

43:25Jill Scott: Why just...

43:27Ian Wright: What do you want? Bag of sand? Yeah. I buy shoes. Charity. No, no, no. I buy shoes. And you buy me some shoes, yeah? Shoes. We'll get some...

43:37Roy Keane: Spurs are staying up.

43:38Jill Scott: Yeah, I think they'll steal.

43:40Roy Keane: Wait. Right. Spurs are staying up with a new change, I think. You think another change? No. When do you think that change is coming? No, no, no. It might happen maybe after the weekend. Liverpool Sunday, isn't it? Yeah. For Spurs, yeah.

43:50Jill Scott: Is that Anfield, that game?

43:53Roy Keane: That's that Anfield, yeah.

43:54Ian Wright: No, Roy, you can't say it like that. You've got to say they're staying up, not with a change, because I can say, no, I think they're going down. They're staying up.

44:02Gary Neville: Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing. So this weekend, you've got Tottenham v Liverpool. Wow. You've got Manchester United versus Villa. That's a great game. And you've got Chelsea versus Newcastle. Whoa. So you've got a weekend.

44:18Jill Scott: Right.

44:20Ian Wright: What, I'm excited, man. This is the time of the season where you're excited.

44:23Jill Scott: I'm excited. You're excited when you're competing on four fronts.

44:28Gary Neville: You've got four teams, right? Who is missing out on the Champions League and why? Start with you, Wazza. I'm going to come round this way. So I think City, Arsenal, United will finish top three.

44:46Wayne Rooney: You're confident United top three? Yeah. United will do it and then Villa I'm not sure I'm Villa I think Chelsea and Liverpool I feel like Chelsea I think Chelsea and Liverpool maybe top five I think Villa Villa will miss out I think Villa might miss out I've said Villa

45:04Jill Scott: will miss out I don't know

45:06Gary Neville: I just feel as if

45:07Jill Scott: I think Chelsea get third

45:08Gary Neville: okay let's say will Michael get the job if they finish third

45:13Wayne Rooney: I think if they get Champions League football he should get the job and he put himself right up there if they're looking for new managers but he definitely puts himself in poor position I think

45:24Ian Wright: he's doing it all day not going to get it we're not going to make a decision till the summer and then they make a decision and they keep him I think they keep Michael without a doubt if he carries on doing what he's doing they're getting the Champions League yeah there's something fair about them now more distractions yeah

45:41Jill Scott: yeah that's true

45:42Roy Keane: I think they'll finish third off I agree

45:45Jill Scott: Villa miss out but I think Chelsea get third yeah see I think Bill have enough about him to get it

45:54Roy Keane: are you thinking you and I am Rory getting him over the line yeah no they've been frustrating some of the results you're going come on Bill almost not turned up they've got that but I still think they'll do it I think they've enough of it

46:05Jill Scott: so who do you think who misses out then Roy

46:07Roy Keane: because that's that's because who I think or who I hope misses out I am

46:12Jill Scott: do both

46:14Roy Keane: give him Chelsea one right have you I'm South Frank I really do feeling like Liverpool or Chelsea will miss out but who will it be Roy

46:24Ian Wright: I think Chelsea

46:25Jill Scott: we can fast forward this

46:27Ian Wright: I watched Liverpool last Liverpool should have scored so many goals even though they've defended terribly they can beat teams you know what I mean yeah I used to think Liverpool I think Liverpool

46:38Gary Neville: get in I think Villa miss out unfortunately I actually want Villa to be in by the way yeah

46:43Ian Wright: me too I'd like Villa

46:44Gary Neville: I'd like them to stay in there I think it's good

46:47Roy Keane: I'm going to say Chelsea to myself. Or Liverpool.

46:54Roy Keane: They say a league table. What's the point? Yes, Jesus, give us something. United are 51.

46:59Gary Neville: No, United are fine. I'm fine with them. Villa are 51. And I think Chelsea and Liverpool are 48. It's not much, isn't it? See, that's different. On the same amount of games, Nev. Let me just have a quick look. I'm sure that's pretty much the point. Yeah, you've got to give us more. Yeah, yeah. So United 51, Villa 51, Chelsea, all same games, by the way. Chelsea 48, Liverpool 48. So it's a four-horse race for three places.

47:21Ian Wright: I really should have seen the fixtures who they're playing as well. Do you know what I mean? I could have just come in so cold on that.

47:29Gary Neville: No foreplay. Straight in. I gave you the most time to consider this. He went first and you're still faffing.

47:37Ian Wright: Yeah, but I need to know the league. I could have gauged my answer because who've Villa got? Who've Villa got? You know what I mean? Who've Chelsea got?

47:45Roy Keane: but you're supposed to look you're supposed to

47:47Ian Wright: come to this show prepared

47:48Roy Keane: if United beat Villa the weekend you killed me that's a big setback for Villa again isn't it

47:54Jill Scott: you've missed the most important question I think Chelsea

47:56Roy Keane: are going to miss out Chelsea miss out

47:58Jill Scott: who finishes top

48:00Roy Keane: oh no we're not

48:01Gary Neville: doing title this week

48:02Ian Wright: no we're not Jill don't go there

48:04Gary Neville: we're leaving righty to have a

48:06Roy Keane: Chelsea to miss out right Liverpool will do it

48:08Jill Scott: who are you saying righty Villa Villa

48:10Gary Neville: Villa Chelsea

48:11Jill Scott: Villa yeah Wayne said

48:13Gary Neville: This weekend for me is a weekend where United beat Villa. I think Liverpool do beat Tottenham and I think Chelsea beat Newcastle. I think that point, Liverpool and Chelsea go level with Villa. United go three points clear and I think then Villa start to slip a little bit. That's what I feel. That's your prediction, Gary. I felt it for a few weeks. It sounds like it. I felt it for a few weeks that Villa were just sort of starting to just...

48:35Ian Wright: That's how I feel. Not for a few weeks, though.

48:38Gary Neville: They're having a bad spell and they're regrouping.

48:40Wayne Rooney: Yeah, I think they should have won. I got hammered on matches today a while back for saying Villa would never be anywhere near the top of the league. Well, they are, though. They're all against the Villa fans. No, winning the league. Winning the league. Basically, when the fans and everyone say, oh, can Villa win the league? No, they're never going to win it. They come for your heart. So Villa be south. The villains come for your heart.

48:58Jill Scott: Yeah, Villa. Villa?

48:59Roy Keane: Chelsea. Chelsea?

49:01Ian Wright: Villa.

49:02Gary Neville: Villa? Villa. Villa, Villa.

49:03Roy Keane: You're following the crowd.

49:04Ian Wright: I'm not following. I was the first one to say Villa. No, they're following the crowd. Yes, they're following the crowd. Right.

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49:43Jill Scott: First of all, a little bit of housekeeping. We fucked up a bit. Newcastle beat Villa. I said that, yeah? Yeah, you should have got an extra two points. I knew that.

49:53Roy Keane: That's the one I called.

49:54Jill Scott: Remember you was saying that to me on the team?

49:56Ian Wright: Yes, I said it. I know.

49:57Jill Scott: There was a kind of... And I knew you didn't check it properly the last time. That's why I kept asking you.

50:01Gary Neville: Do you mean from the previous one? Yeah, previous week.

50:04Roy Keane: Do you know what's happened to you and Kieran? You got sucked in with all the cricket and the ashes. You've not focused on this job. I'm telling you, I watch you, I study you. You're a bit distracted.

50:13Gary Neville: I remember you said as well to me one time about Kieran and... We've got to stick to cricket now, which is a very good show if you want to watch it. There's too many people.

50:20Roy Keane: David Lloyd, Six Wicked, a ducky. Fucking hell, man. A ducky. I can't watch him. A ducky. A ducky.

50:28Ian Wright: It's a duck.

50:30Roy Keane: It's a very good programme. It's a lovely programme. He's not... Kieran, have you got anything to say to that? It is a good programme. Now I'm football through and through, Gary. Football through and through. Nice. He is. Do you know why I know that? Because he was at Salford last night. He was. and I was. Nice one. In the cold. Good win for them. I wanted to come up. It was a good win. Yeah, very good. The ball isn't for treatment today, I don't know. He's being battered. No, it was a lovely night. It was a lovely night. And they won. Nice one, Carlos.

50:57Gary Neville: Right, so last week you got four points. Oh, no. This is not good. Yeah, Aston Villa over there, look. Who were you with? Martinez and Skulls. No more, he's, is he? Oh, no. David, Moise, save me. Roberto said that West Ham would be Liverpool today. And you fell for it. If he said jump the river, would you jump the river? Yeah, we got it. We said that. No, sorry.

51:18Ian Wright: Good luck for you.

51:19Jill Scott: And then, Jewelroy Ian, you got 10 points.

51:22Ian Wright: Whoa!

51:23Jill Scott: He's got a bonus two points for the golden game.

51:25Roy Keane: Roy got 10 points. Look, I knew he was I'm on a team game. You're on my two Hendersons. You're on my two Hendersons. Oh my God! Oh my God!

51:33Gary Neville: Oh my God! We're back! There you go. I can't believe it. You're the best.

51:37Roy Keane: You're the best. This is a big win. He was trying to take points off us last week. Oh, my God, this is terrible. No pressure. Brilliant.

51:45Jill Scott: This is terrible. Burnley Bournemouth.

51:47Roy Keane: You got fun.

51:47Jill Scott: Saturday 3-1. Cara's going to go mad when he gets back. Bournemouth 3-1.

51:51Roy Keane: What? Not a chance. Not that much goes on. Gary, Cara's going to go mad when he gets back.

51:56Ian Wright: I'm going to blame Roberto. That's a 2-1, yes.

51:59Jill Scott: Yeah, well, you put it. What do you think?

52:01Ian Wright: 2-1, Jill, what do you think? Hold on a second. Because you know Bournemouth always, that's my team. Hang on, but West Ham.

52:07Jill Scott: No. It's Burnley.

52:10Ian Wright: It's Burnley.

52:15Jill Scott: Burnley actually have been doing all right. They did all right against Chelsea recently. Burnley, didn't they?

52:22Roy Keane: 2-1. We've got 2-1. 2-1, Bournemouth. 1-2, sorry, yeah. We've got to be... Sunderland-Brighton. Is this us?

52:32Jill Scott: Sunderland at home. I did unscrawl many goals. Yeah, but we've got a good record.

52:38Roy Keane: Let's see what I can do Is Welbeck playing I can see that being a boring 1-1 No idea

52:42Jill Scott: 1-1

52:43Roy Keane: We go 1-1 We're not messing around We're on fire We've got momentum We've caught them up now

52:48Jill Scott: I was at Sunderland v Leeds Away though Was it good? 1-0

52:52Roy Keane: They've lost confidence in themselves Look

52:54Jill Scott: Do you want half a cookie?

52:56Roy Keane: Look at the body language Do you want half a cookie?

52:59Jill Scott: No thanks

52:59Roy Keane: 1-0 Sunderland No chance Brighton will score Welbeck's on fire Newcastle, Saturday 5.30. He's just signed a new deal. Has he?

53:10Jill Scott: He'll go to the World Cup. He'll be great around. How long do you sign?

53:13Ian Wright: Has he signed a two-year deal or something, Roy? Chelsea 2-0. Brilliant. Chelsea 2-0. Let's not rush into this one. Newcastle will get a goal now.

53:20Jill Scott: I think Chelsea will win, though.

53:22Wayne Rooney: Newcastle won't score.

53:23Roy Keane: They'll be resting players as well. No. Although they are no man's land in the league.

53:28Jill Scott: Chelsea will win.

53:31Roy Keane: No. 2-1 Chelsea. You don't think they will? Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Yeah, we'll give them a goal. Arsenal Everton. Arsenal, right, it is. Everton. Well, we have got a good record on that. Yeah.

53:40Ian Wright: Devon's got my most goals against Everton. Arsenal have always done well against Everton. They haven't got that quality now. Wayne, when you were younger, did you say about, I used to break hearts. I broke Everton hearts, bro, on a regular basis. I said what? Breaking Everton hearts on a regular basis. We're going to beat them, I think.

53:56Roy Keane: This is on you, yeah? I hope so. So do I. And I don't want to text Saturday afternoon when the scores are coming in, right? Sick of it. 3-0.

54:04Jill Scott: We'll blow his four and up.

54:06Ian Wright: 3-0. 2-0. 2-0. Everton.

54:11Jill Scott: Do you think the fans will be nervous or confident? No, we'll definitely be.

54:15Ian Wright: And away from home, they've been good, haven't they?

54:16Roy Keane: No. What do you think they're going to beat us? I think 1-0. To Everton. 1-0 Arsenal. To Everton.

54:23Gary Neville: Boring, boring. Manchester United, Aston Villa. Oh, this is a good one. Two o 'clock. Is this us? If Villa beat them, we'll do a club. 2-1 United. Love that.

54:32Jill Scott: We need like a draw or something.

54:34Roy Keane: Power.

54:35Gary Neville: We can't go for a Villa win otherwise. It's a big game Sunday.

54:37Roy Keane: No, I think Villa will get a result.

54:39Jill Scott: Draw.

54:40Roy Keane: I'm going to go.

54:41Wayne Rooney: I think they're going to get a draw. Oh, you think?

54:43Jill Scott: 1-1. Oh, yeah. I think a draw.

54:44Wayne Rooney: You think got 1-1? Yeah, Stoedon, he's the only one who said they won't finish outside top four.

54:48Jill Scott: I know. I think a draw.

54:51Wayne Rooney: I think United beat them. Surely there's goals in it.

54:53Roy Keane: No, I think Villa will get something. We need to go different to these. At the end of last season, you're all writing Villa off. Football foul. Yeah. Sort of one. Sorry. 1-1 or 2. Nice. It's really nice. We'll go 1-1. Oh. Yeah. Or Desmond, yeah.

55:08Jill Scott: I actually said 1-1, so when we're tech. Liverpool. Liverpool versus Spurs. Why do you think 1-1?

55:13Roy Keane: Because I think they'll get one goal in the other.

55:17Gary Neville: Super six, it's really the aim. Gary, you're what? That's analysis for you. Gary, you're what? I'm confused with that question.

55:27Roy Keane: You're an intellect, you, Gary. Why'd you think that?

55:33Ian Wright: Hi!

55:34Roy Keane: Students of the game. My God, that is brilliant. Keep it simple, stupid.

55:38Ian Wright: Oh, this is us. Liverpool-Tottenham. Oh, surely. Liverpool win. Anfield, this could be bad.

55:46Jill Scott: Liverpool win.

55:47Ian Wright: Yeah, two or three. We give Liverpool two or three, will we? Yeah, I think three. We give Liverpool three. It's a great game to bounce back from Liverpool. That was us as well. Tottenham will get one. That's the end of the manager there.

55:58Roy Keane: They'd only give them four. You know what, this could be the one way. If he's still there I don't think it'll be that hard Tudor's

56:06Gary Neville: He's been announced Doing the press conference On Friday So He's still there So he's still there I think four then Are you going three No, it's our goal Three

56:16Roy Keane: Wait a minute Three what? Will we give Sporys a goal? They've got Solanke

56:20Jill Scott: And they could get one

56:22Roy Keane: Yeah, give them here Three one Three one Feels good I think four

56:26Ian Wright: What do you think? Four Six Wow Go on Six He said six Go on, Steve. He said six, Ben.

56:32Gary Neville: OK, we'll split it. We'll go five. Five-nil? Yeah. Five. No, I think Solanke or someone could score. Five-five.

56:40Roy Keane: One of those consolations, you know. Five-two. Five-one. Why are you thinking that, Gary?

56:48Jill Scott: Thank you, Super Six.

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58:06Gary Neville: Fulham have never won a major trophy, yet they made nine changes against Southampton in the FA Cup. Is that madness? Of course it is. Absolutely.

58:16Ian Wright: I was pleased for Southampton as well.

58:17Gary Neville: delighted for

58:19Wayne Rooney: it's crazy

58:19Ian Wright: what are they playing for like Fulham

58:22Wayne Rooney: and Sunderland do it they're safe they're okay why are they making changes it's crazy I don't get it absolutely FA Cubs give me one of the best days as a player I'm the best day as a fan and they're just taking everything away from it it's sad that's what it is

58:41Ian Wright: they're just playing for survival and not bothered about Fulham had a taste

58:44Roy Keane: of it last year didn't Fulham get an out go by Palace at the quarters because they nearly got there last year in terms of getting to a semi-final. So why you didn't think, I'll make up for it this year? Like, Sir Hanson played well, to be fair, don't get me wrong.

58:55Gary Neville: The FA Cup, it's a great trophy. It's our childhood sort of like what would be, we just grew up with it. The thing is, Manchester United were accused of killing the FA Cup when they didn't take part in 2000 after the 99th. But that was a disgrace as well. So it's a disgrace, we get it. But what has actually, why is the Carabao Cup, which is, to be fair, always seen as a lesser competition, thriving, be a brilliant final in a couple of weeks, be amazing, Manchester City versus Arsenal, it'll be absolutely bouncing like a carnival,

59:26Wayne Rooney: yet the FA Cup suffers. I think because it's played earlier, and then the FA Cup obviously for the Premier League teams starts in January, and these rounds now will come towards the... What do the FA Cup need to do? End of season.

59:40Roy Keane: And there's less games in the Carabao Cup to get to the final, isn't there? For the top teams in Europe, do you only have to win was it three games two or three games and you're in the second

59:47Gary Neville: should you get in the Champions League if you win the FA Cup over finishing fifth in the league

59:52Jill Scott: I think that's a good one to bring back that would bring it back

59:55Roy Keane: straight away yeah but the FA Cup you've picked over a couple of games but the FA Cup has been pretty good the last year I think the magic has come back into it obviously you can look at a couple of games there like you can isolate a few teams you go what's happened there I think the pressure on the managers

1:00:08Wayne Rooney: the pressure on the managers to stay in the division or to get Europe or whatever and otherwise they lose the clubs.

1:00:15Ian Wright: They should have ring-fenced the FA Cup. The FA Cup should not be on terrestrial. It should be on terrestrial for a start. Everybody should be able to see it. That's what I was watching when I was young. ITV in particular. Absolutely. Absolutely. But you know what?

1:00:26Jill Scott: And then get that good pundit in.

1:00:28Wayne Rooney: I remember my best moments, both I think the re-use of playing in 96 when he's beaten Liverpool, Cantona scored. 1-0. Still one of the best moments of my life as a fan. And playing in an FA Cup final is amazing.

1:00:42Jill Scott: Honestly, it was.

1:00:42Wayne Rooney: but in 95 we lost to Everton in the club that was the best moment

1:00:46Ian Wright: the Champions League and the amount of the amount of press and the amount of obviously coverage it gets it's superseded the FA Cup in respects of youngsters and everything that's what they look for the FA Cup is it they should have done more to make sure that the FA Cup what can they do Ian? I don't know what they can do people used to say if you win the FA Cup you get automatic into the Champions League that's the only thing

1:01:10Roy Keane: that can do it no but it shouldn't be the incentive of winning a trophy shouldn't always be another reward. The incentive should be, I'm winning a trophy. A trophy, yeah. There doesn't have to be another bonus on top of that. To try and get interested. For managers who are prioritising the Premier League now. No, but a couple of examples. I understand a team near the bottom, but when you're talking about Sunderland and Fulham are in a great, decent league positions, that's the strange bit. I understand some of the managers near the bottom going, I kind of want to be out of the FA Cup. I can get my head around that, but not when teams are in a decent position in the Premier League.

1:01:39Roy Keane: Fulham, for example.

1:01:40Wayne Rooney: A good FA Cup. Brunk and what that it was Wayne does nothing but pluses come when you win football matches yeah not for me but someone was struggling and then he won the FA up West Ham West Ham yeah the FA Cup was the start when you win

1:01:58Roy Keane: a few football matches you're going to a training ground the next day whatever competition is your training ground is in a

1:02:02Gary Neville: better position I've got a suggestion here so basically it's obviously the FA Cup is struggling to bring in the sort of sponsors if you win the FA Cup in 25 26 obviously last season you win 1.8 million let me ask a question on here again how much per place is the Premier League prize money

1:02:23Jill Scott: because it's a history of the club isn't it no no but Jill

1:02:26Gary Neville: you're talking here about now a bit more of a cold hearted business situation yeah right so each each Premier League place is 3.1 million so if you finish one place higher in the Premier League you get 3.1 million if you finish two places you get 6.2 and then win the FA Cup you get 1.8 million to win it so if you're Fulham it's going to be memories man for life Roy I get it my point is if you're a club driven by money and by this desperation to keep up by the fact so there's only two things

1:02:53Roy Keane: the top players and the supporters aren't driven by money no I get the supporters completely but it can't all be about the dollar

1:03:01Gary Neville: not everything can be about the fucking dollar so the only two things I think that are going to make clubs force their managers to play I think full teams is going to be to give more money for winning the FA Cup that means the Premier League would have to fund the FA Cup and say the winners get 15-20 million as an example why wouldn't they get a lot of money for winning the Premier League the FA Cup they should or they have to go in the Champions League for 15 minutes

1:03:22Roy Keane: but a manager's job I should be trying to go out and give my team a best chance to win every football match they're playing in there's a motto I think at Real Madrid that is their motto your responsibility is to go out and try and obviously you have a squad and sometimes you have to balance it out with games coming up I get it we see Newcastle yeah of course but the principals have been involved than any sports, whether you're a footballer, rugby, hurler, whatever you might be playing, can I go out and perform and win this game today?

1:03:46Gary Neville: Do you still have a rule in where you could only make so many changes? Make two or three changes? Well, that could be another rule. A third rule could be you can only make three changes

1:03:52Roy Keane: from your previous team. We're talking about the FA Cup. When we were younger and we grew up, the FA Cup was huge. And the World Cup, when you're a kid and you have that passion and you're a manager, money was never involved in your decision.

1:04:04Gary Neville: But no one's in doubt of what the FA Cup was. We all thought it was the best thing in the world. However, now it's not seen as being a priority by Fulham. So we've got a problem, haven't we?

1:04:12Roy Keane: Well, that's Fulham's problem, I think.

1:04:14Gary Neville: It's not just Fulham, it's every club, I think.

1:04:16Roy Keane: I think all the clubs last year, I think the FA Cup last year has got its kind of magic back. I think it has, but you always get one or two clubs a bit isolated, but I think generally speaking, you still look at the teams left in it. You have Port Vale there, but still a couple of big hitters. I don't think anyone's written it off. What United done, what we've done years ago, when you look at it, we had no control of it. It was an absolute disgrace when you think about it. put on the FA Cup to get a vote for something that you never even got Fulham winning 1975 I think last season

1:04:43Wayne Rooney: the Palace winning it should have made teams look at it and think do you know what of course we want that what a day

1:04:50Ian Wright: for the fans when you look at the money it's true if it's 1.8 to win that FA Cup but then you can finish and you're getting free and admit they're going to they're going to prioritise that they are going to prioritise that it's all about money every conversation

1:05:04Roy Keane: we have nowadays why is everything about the dollar because that's what everything is in the world at the moment it's about sport it's about passion and enjoyment do you know what the top sports people when you talk about contract the top sports people go and play it's nothing to do with money it's nothing to do with money you're going to because you're playing because you love the game

1:05:22Ian Wright: yeah but the people who run the game

1:05:24Roy Keane: forget about they come and go

1:05:26Ian Wright: yeah but Roy it's the people who run the game that will make the managers listen and we've got to make sure that we save these days remember watching the FA Cup when you were a kid I know highlighted this it was the greatest ever day the greatest day ever always sunny

1:05:36Jill Scott: that's what I mean you don't look back and go after imagine scoring in one

1:05:39Ian Wright: imagine scoring in a FA Cup final

1:05:40Roy Keane: scoring in two two off the bench four in two

1:05:44Jill Scott: how many did you score in finals

1:05:47Roy Keane: in general finals since I was a kid on FA Cup finals ok last question oh sorry I scored loads of semi-finals because you have to get to semis to get to the finals

1:05:56Jill Scott: did you score two

1:05:57Roy Keane: what in what in finals

1:05:58Jill Scott: FA Cup finals

1:05:59Roy Keane: I didn't score FA Cup finals

1:06:01Jill Scott: league finals no I scored

1:06:03Ian Wright: you scored in a FA Cup final I scored two Champions League Two against Sheffield.

1:06:06Roy Keane: You ever scored an FA Cup fight anyway?

1:06:07Jill Scott: What did they? No.

1:06:10Ian Wright: Yeah, two against Sheffield.

1:06:12Wayne Rooney: How many FA Cups did you win?

1:06:12Jill Scott: Right, A. Only won one. One.

1:06:14Wayne Rooney: We lost one to Arsenal. Oh, yeah, one when you battled. Yeah. And then Chelsea, Drugba next time. How many did you win?

1:06:23Jill Scott: How many did you win, Gary?

1:06:25Gary Neville: Three. Chelsea have had seven red cards in the Premier League alone this season. Considering they've had different managers across the season, is this purely down to the players themselves rather than some form of tactical approach

1:06:37Jill Scott: you called it the other day didn't you

1:06:39Roy Keane: I keep on with this conversation red cards why because I got a few yeah but that's it

1:06:45Ian Wright: then you should be the person who's talking about it I was looking at this

1:06:48Wayne Rooney: the other week I had the seven red cards they've is that over the whole season seven's a lot I don't think they've won a game after you in those seven

1:06:57Gary Neville: in the seven games

1:06:58Roy Keane: but seven do you think seven

1:06:59Gary Neville: to me doesn't sound a lot of course for a season I don't know

1:07:02Roy Keane: is that a lot seven who's the other team

1:07:04Gary Neville: closest to them it's like playing a fifth of your season with ten men in it basically in games it's a lot

1:07:09Roy Keane: how many other teams what's the nearest are the teams

1:07:11Gary Neville: have we got who's the nearest Chelsea let's go back to a discipline problem you're trying to say most red have they got a discipline problem most red cards

1:07:23Jill Scott: I got a red card in the league cup I saw a boss his name leto

1:07:26Ian Wright: pull down who was it you've let everyone down Martinelli Martinelli and I'm thinking to myself Are you stupid? Then you look at it and you think, well, that's just indiscipline. He's got players covering. I don't even think there was an Arsenal player running in there. And he's chopped him down on the line. He's way out here. Everton 4.

1:07:44Gary Neville: I've just put in co-pilot about red cards and Premier League. It just says Roy Keane. And that is the end of this episode. Well done. Well done.

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