Roy vs Bruno, Salah’s Dig at Slot, Alonso to Chelsea & Pep's FA Cup Farewell | Stick to Football 130

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1:45Chill.

1:47Roy Keane: Do you like it? Chill's been promoted.

1:50Ian Wright: It looks really good.

1:51Roy Keane: I thought you were saying you were like hot. I was thinking of McLaren.

1:53Ian Wright: You look great. I love that car. No, don't worry, the vibe in the background was getting rid of you. Not moving you up. I love that jacket.

1:59Roy Keane: Roy keeps saying you're getting rid of us. No, I didn't. That was the noise in the background from people over there. I said, keep her on.

2:06Gary Neville: She's deserving of... Do you know, when Roy gets back at 12 o 'clock at night and comes in early in the morning, there's only one outcome. There's going to be disruption.

2:15Roy Keane: That Jill's leaving.

2:16Gary Neville: No, no, I'm good.

2:18Roy Keane: No. You did have a long day yesterday, though, didn't you?

2:20Gary Neville: I was surprised to see you in the studio, Roy, I have to say. and I got there after 11 and I thought, is that right? Oh my goodness. That means he's got up at six o 'clock yesterday to get down there early. You need to put out there, what am I? Tell people, I am low maintenance. I am low maintenance.

2:35Roy Keane: Low maintenance.

2:36Gary Neville: As long as you tell you the arrangement's early enough. That's pretty important, yeah.

2:40Roy Keane: Yeah, but you only have to get up and jump in a car. I like drive myself, drive back. You're just sat in the back of a car. I drive. Did you drive yesterday? Not yesterday, no. But usually I drive. Do you still sit in the front? I sit in the front of the car. If I get a car, I sit in the front. On the back, it's not good. You had a headrest.

3:02Gary Neville: You feel a bit sickly. Sometimes, the other thing is, you get in the back, you feel like the guy in the front is almost like, you feel like he's driving. Just sit with him, you know what I mean?

3:14Roy Keane: Keep him company.

3:15Gary Neville: I know, but just sitting with people. The idea that I'm in the back.

3:19Ian Wright: It's just more space because I need to stretch my knee. Yeah. Sometimes I do. It doesn't look the same. You can fall asleep with someone driving right there. It don't feel the same.

3:28Gary Neville: Do you know what annoys me? I get Uber very rarely, but when I do, as I usually walk places, do you know what they do? Do you know what they put all their bags in the front seat? And then they move the seat for us as if you get in the back. And I'm like, no, can I sit in the front, please? I get...

3:40Ian Wright: And then they look at you like you're an alien because basically you want to sit in the front

3:47Gary Neville: as if they're a bit threatened by it. Maybe they do feel threatened by certain people. Do you get black cabs? I get black cabs all the time in London.

3:54Ian Wright: Why don't you get them in? Why don't you get them instead of...

3:57Gary Neville: In London? Oh, no. In London I always get black cabs, always.

4:01Roy Keane: I once got a black cab from London to Manchester. It was the most uncomfortable journey of my life. It was van in the back of a van, isn't it? And it was just like this. Sometimes you could get an uncomfortable one. The new electric ones are smooth, though. Yeah. You know, people say they get their Mercedes vans, they'll fancy it. But you're in the back of a van. Yeah. It's still a van. Oh, I would rather get a car. They're rather than vans, though. They've got lights. Oh, my. It's a van. They've got a TV. It's a van. It's a van. A man with a van.

4:29Gary Neville: A van, but lights. And the seats are like that, so you're like... Uh-oh.

4:34Ian Wright: They do go back, though. You can recline them. You can recline them. No, no, not some of them you can't. Yes, you can. There's always a recline, especially that middle seat. You can recline it down there.

4:42Gary Neville: I went to Premium Economy on a flight a couple of weeks ago, and no word of a lie, the difference in cost is like, no, 400, 500 quid, and the difference was this.

4:50Ian Wright: oh that much

4:51Gary Neville: yeah like you get like two inches don't you that was it premium economy it's like that you know what I mean it's like that 400 quid

4:57Roy Keane: do you feel bad there you go

5:00Gary Neville: that'll work won't it once you go private and look at his face do you feel bad

5:07Roy Keane: putting your seat back though I do no when you're on because I feel like the person behind is going to be so annoyed no but it goes back to a place where if they push their back everyone just goes back yeah but I did it the other and I could hear the guy I think I knocked his drink as I went back. I think I knocked his drink as I went back. You're quite tall, you'd have to put your seat back. What height are you? I'm only the same height as you. Why are you 6 '2"? Just under 6. Now I'm like 5 '11". Is he?

5:32Ian Wright: What are you? You look taller. You look way taller.

5:35Roy Keane: You're not 5 '11", are you?

5:36Ian Wright: No, he's 5 '9", 5 '10". There's presence a little more. There's presence. See, the presence adds another couple of inches. Come and stand next to me. I'm sure he's done his rights.

5:48Roy Keane: I have got quite thick sole. Wait there, I'll take my shoe off.

5:51Ian Wright: No, don't take your... See, Roy's taller than you now. Roy's taller than you. Oh, yeah, you are, Roy. Yeah. With shoes on, though.

5:57Roy Keane: Maybe I've just got a big presence in. Big head. A big head. Your head's quite big. I know he's coming as far as right. Your head's quite big. My head's not that big.

6:09Gary Neville: I used to be called Big Head at United when I was younger. Yeah. Did you call it Big Head? Yeah, but that's because of your arrogance. You used to walk past me and go... That wasn't because you said your head, that was your arrogance. Arrogance, yeah. You used to go past me, massive, huge. Beat head. Who used to say that? Like, oh, a lad called George. Did I ever bully any young lads? No, you didn't bully young lads. We don't bully young lads. No. No, no, no. You're the older lads. I remember the initiation ceremonies. Oh, I didn't like them. No, you would watch, to be fair, but you would never be involved.

6:42Gary Neville: I would never get involved. No, you wouldn't get involved in that. It wasn't right. It depends on what they do to you as well, doesn't it? It was embarrassing to just dance or sing. Yeah, but you know when I was a manager, Rory, when we were in Ireland and someone came into the squad and they had to sing, I used to cringe. Oh, I hate that. If I had to go into a team and they said sing, no way would I be singing for anybody. Or players have to do a dance or something. Would you say no? Absolutely. I wouldn't do it for anybody. Start from the wrong foot. Yeah, so what, but they need to know as well that you're not going to be bullied into dancing if you don't want.

7:10We used to be with Ireland, if lads came into the squad they had to go up and sing. I'd be cringing.

7:14Roy Keane: I thought you weren't allowed to say no. Like, that's the whole thing about initiation. Yeah.

7:18Ian Wright: You just have to do it.

7:20Roy Keane: I bet you do. That's my point.

7:21Ian Wright: You don't have to do it. Well, not at my time.

7:24Gary Neville: We didn't do it at United, did we? We used to do it all the time. In the youth team, we used to either have to sing or tell a joke. Yeah. I remember that, I wrong. Yeah, an option. Sing. Stand on the treatment bed in front of the room.

7:36Ian Wright: In front of who?

7:37Gary Neville: Oh, the first team would come in. Oh, the first team would come in. I mean, I'm talking about the most petrifying thing in the world.

7:42Ian Wright: Was there anyone who just smashed it who was, like, brilliant?

7:45Gary Neville: Robbie Savage.

7:46Ian Wright: Was he?

7:47Gary Neville: Robbie Savage, basically. I think he did both. He did the singing and the joking. He literally did it. He just stayed up there for eight. I think he did a dance with it as well. I think he did a dance with the actual sort of thing.

7:57Ian Wright: The lads were just like...

7:58Gary Neville: Well, then some lads. But you've got, like... You've got, like, you've got... I mean, you've got Mark Hughes. I think Brian Robson. Steve Bruce. Cantona, Schmeichel. Obviously, Roy. All of them in there watching. Can you imagine singing or telling a joke? And you're 16, 17. You've been a United fan. My young nads had to pretend he got a new skateboard for Christmas. I need to go around the dressing room pretending he had a new skateboard. And he was all excited. Oh, yeah. And I was like... You used to have to do writing. It was acting like he got writing. That was the role he had at the time. They'd roll a towel up, right, and that was the skateboard, imaginary skateboard.

8:30Gary Neville: And then you used to have to walk around the room and you used to have to knock on the wall. The players would be sat around in a sort of horseshoe. And you used to have to knock on the wall behind one of the first team players and ask them to come out and play on the skateboard.

8:42Ian Wright: God. Shocking.

8:45Gary Neville: It is. And, oh, do you know the... Did you ever get asked? Do you know the cones? Oh, this is for the younger lads. The cones that you do for running, that had to go on your head because that was the helmet. With a towel? With a towel. Imagine you read a skateboard under your arm. I never could do it because the cone was a big enough.

9:04Roy Keane: Oh, my goodness. Oh, that is funny. I used to always do Peter Andre, Mysterious Girl, because I know the rap. And I went on loan twice in my last... Go on, go on, go on, Jill. You've done a loan last week on your own podcast. Come on, Jill. What was that song? I can't remember. Oh, we can't. Yeah, but basically, I went on loan twice, didn't I, in my last two years. So as an experienced player, going into a dressing room and singing Peter Andre, Mysterious Girl. Can you do it on air, please, Jill? But I felt like you would never say no. Come on, Jill. Come on, can you do it, please? Well, I've been sitting by the phone, hoping you'd call by time.

9:36Roy Keane: I hear your voice, I feel ten feet tall. Body weighting, but da-da-da-da-da-da. And I trip over, man, one time your name call. Pretty looks around me like a flower's boom. And I love the smell of your Elizabeth Hurley perfume. Personality alone, light up the room. Just one kiss alone and make me heart go boom. Oh! We can put that out. Would they join in, then, the other players? No, I would just be stud, then. That's horrible when people don't join in. And then I was like, stud. Yeah. No, they probably did, anyway. Anyone else got a rap?

10:08Gary Neville: No. But they talked to you for that. Right, you've got a... You have a song, don't you?

10:12Ian Wright: No, I can't remember. You had a song. I didn't have a song. I thought, we've played it on this show. I know, so I just liked it. Played an album. I took it. Ian Wright sings your favourite. It's cool with a tuxedo and a bow tie.

10:23Gary Neville: Do you know what made me laugh? Was it a couple of days ago, they posted out the clip about which actor would you be? Denzel.

10:30Ian Wright: I didn't even think he was doing this. Denzel. I want to see Michael. You asked me to go and see Michael. Yes. I enjoyed it. You like it?

10:38Roy Keane: It was a good movie. Michael Jackson, is it?

10:40Ian Wright: You know what I went and saw the other day at the theatre? One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Oh, is that good? Yeah. Fantastic. It was at the theatre. The old Vic. Do you love going to them shows? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because my mother-in-law, she works in the theatre. Go next week and be down in London. It's real, though. It's real because it's happening there live. There's no messing up. Yeah, yeah, of course. It's just brilliant. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. And who played Jack Nicholson in it? What's his name? The guy who's the famous guy, Aaron, this black guy. What's his name again? Aaron Pierre.

11:14Ian Wright: Oh, good show. Aaron Pierre.

11:16Gary Neville: What is One Flew Over the Cookies? Remember the Jack Nicholson film?

11:19Ian Wright: In the mental hole.

11:20Roy Keane: I haven't seen it.

11:21Ian Wright: What they used to do to people, electrocute them. Have you not seen it? Control them. You've got to watch that. That's got to be in your... That's definitely my top. One Clock and Apocalypse Now. You've got to watch those films. You've got to watch that. It's a beautiful film, One Flew Over the Cookies. Of sadness. Yeah. Of something that really happened. Those things really happened.

11:39Gary Neville: I've blasted through a series in the last two weeks. Slow Horses. Yeah, I watched some of that. Gary Oldman. I really liked it. Magnificent, isn't it?

11:47Ian Wright: He's brilliant, yeah. Slow Horses is fantastic, yeah.

11:50Roy Keane: What's it about?

11:52Gary Neville: They're like a... Not Slow Horses. They're like a... Basically the MI5, but they're the rejects. The horses I bet on. They're rejects of basically... They're the ones that are kicked out for reasons. MI4. Yeah, so they're like a sort of secondary unit. but they end up getting in the way, but then end up helping. They're good.

12:12Roy Keane: Oh, that's good.

12:13Gary Neville: Great.

12:13Roy Keane: I haven't got into a series for ages. Yeah, watch Slow Horses. Do you have time? No, not really, I know. You could do it on the move. Yeah, maybe not when I'm driving.

12:24Ian Wright: I never watch it in the car. You find that amazing. I can't do the trip without something. Do you watch stuff in the car?

12:28Roy Keane: No, I don't. I just chat.

12:30Ian Wright: You know, the last time I left there was Avengers Endgame. Magnificent. Good. Because I loved Marvel. I used to read a lot of Marvel when I was a kid. So the Marvel films are just like... I never got into them. I love it so much.

12:43Gary Neville: Are they the futuristic things?

12:44Ian Wright: Yes.

12:45Gary Neville: No, that's no good, that. No, anything that's futuristic, like sci-fi and sort of unreal.

12:50Ian Wright: Like Star Wars and all that.

12:50Gary Neville: I can't watch any of that. Like not real? No, no. Yeah. That's no good for me.

12:54Ian Wright: It's called escapism, guys.

12:55Gary Neville: Yeah. That's what it's called. I think I might need a bit. You need a little bit. But he can go around on a fake skateboard for an hour.

13:03Roy Keane: With a corn on his head. A corn on his head.

13:06Gary Neville: Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing the reason he stayed last year was because he's not completed what he wants to and that's win trophies at United and he won't be winning trophies not with that mindset of the team yesterday it's mind boggling it's a circus act

13:20Roy Keane: surely you've got to look at how will we concede in 50 odd goals no matter how you set up whatever you've got to defend this idea that he's doing a Liverpool football club he's not he's just Salad FC

13:31Gary Neville: who plays for Liverpool there'll be open warfare he doesn't play him won't he yeah but again

13:35Ian Wright: But if you're going to go to war, then go to war. You know, it started for me when they started making the semifinals go to war. I'll never get over that. I will never get over it. We're on about projects and managers need time. He didn't need time. So for a manager to go into a club where he was in disarray, that's top level management. If Martin don't go in, they don't win that. Why is he falling on the floor? Excuse me. I think he was disappointed that Bermot missed. For what? For who? Well, for himself and for the team. Bang on. Bang on. For himself. You're like, oh, look at Bruno. Look at Bruno.

14:06You kept saying it. Look at Bruno.

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16:14Gary Neville: What about that handball yesterday?

16:17Roy Keane: It was handball.

16:18Ian Wright: Can we just, with that handball, and again, with if if they can't give that as amble what is you know something and I'm not got enough I don't care who it's against and that that is humble the ball goes past if he doesn't stop it with his arm it's gone over you know if he gives that as a fault nobody would say anything would do it because as soon as you see it Roy you say humble what are they doing I know people quote rules but

16:44Gary Neville: sometimes there's a laws there's a fool there's a feel isn't there sometimes that just something just like is not right. So he's told to go over and then he just backs himself obviously. Yeah, we're listening to it. So to be fair, the VAR... You can only hear it one way, can't you? No, we can hear the communications from Stockley Park in. Right. And basically they're saying, they weren't sure, well, they were sure, but they were sort of like, they took a time with it. They took three minutes actually themselves. But in the end, they just thought, it's just clearly that he's basically sort of, he's wedged the ball in between his arms.

17:18Gary Neville: So they call him over and then we can sort of see... They don't convince the referee, they sort of point out the facts. They point to say to him, look, we think he's basically brought the... I can't remember the exact words, but they're sort of explaining what they've seen. And then you see the sort of referee sort of looking extra time and extra time. You think, oh, he's pushing back here.

17:38Ian Wright: Gary, it's crazy. For him to go against himself, when you can see... Even if he's stuck by it and said, no, no, no, that's handball. No, but you're writing referees then are going over a little bit, going, no, no, and then going too far the other way by going, I'm going to stick to my decision. Probably. Within that instant, he obviously has, because he's handboard, he's got it wrong. That's my point. If you're going over and you're going, obviously you want referees to be strong and believe in what this is, but if we're all looking, going, no, come on. But he's going, no, no, and then sticking to his guns for the wrong reasons, almost with the ego.

18:05Ian Wright: You want him to change his, sometimes you want him to go, because when they go now, we just say, that's done. Yeah. He shouldn't have changed his mind for that one.

18:12Roy Keane: Yeah. when we played with Farr whenever they went over we knew it was going to be a change of decision if ever they got called over but now it just seems all over the place but even somebody just looking at that once you're like a tambour but it's confusing for us even you know you're in the studio and you're watching the match it's all up in the air now and everyone in the studio they're getting quotes from different referees and the laws of the game and you look yeah you don't know what's going to no

18:37Gary Neville: inconsistency is a bit frustrating that came in to us about four or five minutes later they said that the match centre they obviously contact I think what Sky didn't do they contact match centre and they get the official line and that was that the feeling was it was accidental and that if it led directly to the goal of Mbermo it would be disallowed it's the fact it then played on again to Kunia and obviously he scores that's when it didn't they show something last week where VR admitted 24 mistakes so this VR which is supposed to be taking human error out of the game from officials and they said the 24 major decisions wrong.

19:13Roy Keane: Yeah. Yet they're looking at it for a minute and still getting it wrong. 24, not four, but 24, that's a lot.

19:18Gary Neville: The argument, though, I mean, I was watching Salford on Friday night. I was watching it on my phone. And there were two goals that Grimsby scored. The first one was handball and the second one was offside, it looked like to me. And you think, if you don't go up for those reasons or if you don't... Do you know what I mean? There are big decisions. Yeah, I get it, yeah. Look at Arsenal's at West Ham. Arsenal lose the league by the way if it's not for VAR Arsenal lose the league potentially if it's not for VAR that's the thing West Ham the one across the goalkeeper right yeah but look at the flow of the games lower down where you're saying decisions far against you it is a better watch isn't it yeah it is more enjoyable it is more enjoyable because you're not worried about and obviously you always go back to it it leaving itself so obviously you can have a debate about that but there's a flow to the game and I don't mind if they stop the game and they look at it and then get to the right decision but they're still sometimes getting to the wrong decision and they're stopping the game for four or five minutes.

20:11Yeah, they're stopping the game as well.

20:12Ian Wright: Even with the Arsenal one with David Ray. I remember watching, because I was intently watching the City-Everton game, and I remember Bernardo Silva grabbed Raw, you know, the Everton player, literally grabbed him down. Which Everton player? The Everton player. He scored last night. Rule, his name is?

20:32Gary Neville: Yeah, yeah.

20:34Ian Wright: Nothing said. Nothing said. He grabbed him And nothing said I can't understand Why it's so different Arsenal got one Where I don't care what anyone says He's impeach

20:46Gary Neville: There's definitely a foul

20:47Ian Wright: There's other things going on But that's a foul Yeah it was a foul Yeah it is But then Why isn't no one speaking about The Bernardo Silva one It doesn't make sense Why is it like that

20:56Gary Neville: Just forget the City one for a second though But Arsenal Without VAR Would Have been in Potentially big trouble And could have lost the league That's how important VAR's been for If you've got some clubs benefit from it as well, don't they? Obviously, United benefited yesterday. Arsenal, the week before, that goal was given.

21:11Roy Keane: But do you think it evens out over the season, though, sometimes? Because, yeah, that moment was massive. The bigger clubs, people always argue, the bigger clubs generally get... They used to say that with United. And other sports, of course.

21:25Ian Wright: But, Gal, you say that Arsenal could have won the league, but that was meant to do his job.

21:31Gary Neville: No, no, I'm just saying, but without VAR, he did his job perfectly well, and it was right that a foul was given. But without VAR... What do you mean? If there was no VAR... Roy said before, watching lower league football is a lot more enjoyable. Yeah. And that means, obviously, no VAR. So if we took VAR away completely... Just get goal line. Get goal line. You might get other ones that swing you away different parts of the season.

21:51Roy Keane: So it's a bit of a bad argument.

21:54Gary Neville: But without VAR last Sunday, I mean, that was like... But you don't have much stupidity of the players. Go back to the Arsenal one last week. So people are going, you can still be aggressive in the box. Of course not, but not even just incidents. We see every week people grab and be, you can be aggressive and attack the ball without standing on the goalkeeper. Because what happens is you're going, lads, this is the last minute. Let's go up and be aggressive and maybe take a few chances. But not on the goalkeeper. Let's do it everywhere else. Because as soon as you look at the goalkeeper, of course he's going to give it.

22:23I think the stupidity of players, Celtic tonight, you're not about the handball, but players jumping up with their arms going, don't give him a chance. It's almost a lack of intelligence from players to go up and go, whatever, you don't follow the goalkeeper.

22:35Gary Neville: Well, the European handball, to be fair, that's a ridiculous one. If I'd be frightened to death as a defender in that Champions League final. The ball hits your arm anywhere. If you're just defending and you're crossing righty and my arm is there like that and it hits me there as I'm balancing and trying to get up, it's a penalty.

22:53Ian Wright: Did you see the Celtic one? That is mine. That's what I'm talking about, yeah. The one from during the week, not the weekend, yeah. I'm talking about the one. Or the weekend. Yeah, the hearts. He's blasted at him. His body's... When you're going to... Yeah, but Roy, your arm, naturally, when you go to like that, your arm does that. I'm thinking, they've got to start taking these things into consideration. It's like even the Celtic one in the week where it's come up. How can the ball go that far if it doesn't come up? Of course it is. But as a player, in the last minute, why would you put your hand up there at the head?

23:21I know, I know.

23:23Roy Keane: Surely handball is when you actually make an action, though, to handle the ball. Do you know what I mean? If it's just in a natural position...

23:31Gary Neville: I think anything around here, your arms... Your arms are here, there, it's a penalty. If it's there, in this arc... In this arc here, it's not handball. In this arc, it's handball. When defenders are coming up, that's annoying as well.

23:45Ian Wright: What about when you're stretching and your arm goes there?

23:48Gary Neville: If you go to block a cross with your right foot and your left arm goes behind you, that's down. If it's there, you're done. If you're down here, if it's in a position, that's natural. How would you not put your arm there as you go to stop a cross for your right foot, so you can get back the other way if he turns back?

24:04Roy Keane: I've got such long arms, though, I used to hit my arms all the time.

24:09Gary Neville: I'd have given away... I reckon ten penalties a season. I'd have given away ten penalties a season by blocking crosses. Well, I was desperate to block crosses, so I'd literally... You'd do anything to block a cross, because these lot would kill you if you let crosses in. It used to be a crime to let a cross in. Stop the cross, you know what I mean? Schmeichel. You know what's annoying me about full-backs now? Full-backs defending crosses, not the guy attacking. When it comes in and you're a defender, players don't know how to head it. We saw it yesterday with Williams from Forest against United.

24:37When the ball comes in, they don't know what to do as if they don't do it in training. I'm not about when you're on the other side, when it comes in and you're on the back post. Full-backs don't know whether to head it or chest it. They all panic as if they don't do it in training anymore.

24:48Gary Neville: The only excuse I ever have for a full-back at the back post from a cross from that side... Now, go on. is do you know something sometimes with all the bodies in front of you you don't see the ball being crossed because it sounds crazy but you're just in your position and all of a sudden you can sometimes be blocked by your centre half in front of you or the full back over the far side and then you see the ball late you know what I mean sometimes the only excuse I can give and that's where you have to be tight you have to make sure you're tight against your actually one of the weekend was he saw it all the way I get it down I get it a bit tight and it's whipped in and people getting across you but not when you see it all the way they can't they just head back in they head back into the danger area Like the Bruno cross for his assist.

25:26Gary Neville: Yeah. So when he pings it across and he goes, that's so hard for a defender at the back post because it's coming so fast across loads of bodies. You just... Yeah. The first goal. Yeah, the first goal. The first goal was up in the air and the full-back, the book, Ted Williams. I mean, that was ridiculous. His head's back up in the air.

25:40Roy Keane: It must be hard for a full-back though sometimes because you're kind of like stand and start, whereas they're coming in, aren't they? Like, you must know you're going to get absolutely clattered.

25:49Gary Neville: There's a number of things. One is, can you see the ball? Secondly, you're also thinking, I've got to cover that space between me and the centre-back is mine. So I've got to cover that space. Anything over the centre-back's head is mine. Anything then over my head is mine. So it's that going in and sometimes getting done there. Gary, it's multitasking, isn't it? No, it is. You've got to do more than one job. Some people go, I've got this man here. No, you've got to be ready for him, but also get somebody ready for it. But players are like, I had him. No, you've got to do a couple of jobs. You've got to set pieces.

26:18Job and a half. And even the modern full-back. You know who gets the biggest round of applause? when a ball comes into the box and it's coming to the full-back and they chest it back to the goalkeeper, they get a standing ovation. The fans are like, what? They should be doing that all the time. Just cushion the header back to the goalkeeper and under pressure. Fans stand up and go, wow, that was amazing.

26:34Roy Keane: Yeah, but that's quite risky. How is it risky when there's nobody? Obviously, be aware there's nobody around you, of course. I know, but I do think... They chest it back, they get a standing ovation. Wow, I'd love to be a full-back.

26:45Gary Neville: Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing. I just mentioned Bruno's assist. Do we need to give him huge plaudits for what... I mean, getting level with Thierry Henry and Kevin De Bruyne on 20 assists. I mean, 20 assists, that's obviously more than one every two games. That is a massive achievement, isn't it?

27:05Ian Wright: Well, it is because assists have been brought in as a thing. A metric. Yeah, right.

27:11Gary Neville: It's new, though, isn't it? It's an assist.

27:13Ian Wright: It is, yeah.

27:13Gary Neville: I remember David Beckham. That was never a thing, assists. But it's obviously become a big thing in the last five, six, seven, eight years.

27:20Ian Wright: Even when Thierry got his 26, I think he got 20-odd goals as well. I wasn't ever interested in the assists. But then it started to come along. Everything was Thierry's the most assist in the Premier League. Then it's become a thing. Then you've got Kevin De Bruyne, another one who's a multi-winner.

27:36Gary Neville: But you've got to be good to get to 20.

27:38Ian Wright: Well, without a doubt.

27:39Gary Neville: I mean, look, if you think about those two in front of him, they're probably two of the best players that have ever played in the Premier League.

27:43Ian Wright: Yeah, but Roy made a good point where he was talking outside about the area in which he plays now. you're going to get assists in that position he plays 20 is a lot at 20 would be better if you're winning trophies

27:55Gary Neville: oh I get that but he can't do that on his own can he he can't win trophies on his own Bruno you know what I mean he is to be fair performing at probably a level that the rest of his teammates when you're the captain of the club and you're supposed to be driving the club forward do not be getting bogged down by just your role in the team just assists I think what I heard in United the weekend honestly I was raging with it the whole chat about his assists and players talking about assists. He got interviewed after the match, after the game, and I was watching him and everyone was talking about his assists and even the players were, the game was about his assists.

28:29That's the whole talk. After the game, he got interviewed and he said in his interview, the captain of Man United, he said, yeah, a few times I probably should have. He said this himself, I should have shot, but I made them passes. Wow. How can your mindset of a football be going out to a match and be talking about some individual wreck? If it happens, He's going to get all them stats anyway. But for it to become the main point about Man United's performance the weekend, I thought I was cringing with all of them. And all the players, when he got these assists, going off to, what about the guy who scored the goal?

28:58Gary Neville: But there's nothing on the game in terms of what would be, United have already finished in the Champions League, Forest have already stayed up. I think there was an element of it. But if your mindset of that is going into a game, then who's to say it's not like that in other games? You said there's nothing on the game. There's always something on the game. I know, but you understand what I mean by that. There's still 70-odd toes in at the match yesterday. and I'm just saying if your focus and all the players talking about Bruno's assist when you're not winning anything if you're on the back of winning stuff and players are getting individual awards fantastic on the back of your team winning stuff golden boot stuff you go that lads thumbs up to that player of the year no problem but that's like further down the line the priorities of the team Man United's priorities this weekend was Bruno getting an assist not winning a football match not strikers getting goals or defenders or being good at set pieces but they did win they did win are keeping a clean sheet.

29:46You know, those other parts of football are really important. So for one player to get bogged down with assists and his team aren't winning anything, they'll finish 15. That's my issue. Yeah, but Roy, I think that... That's my issue. All that will happen anyway. Bruno will get loads of assists, the position he plays, and he's got runners ahead of him. To get that many though, Roy, with that team winning nothing.

30:03Gary Neville: But that's even harder. But what's the point? And the consistency of his players. What's the point? I mean, you're playing in a team game, isn't it?

30:10Ian Wright: Yeah, but he's trying to win the league. Let me finish. You're part of a team. What's the priority of a team? To try and win. He's going to do that. He's doing his job creating. Not when it becomes a priority. Of course he's doing this, but he's a brilliant player. He's getting all the rewards. And come this summer, he'll probably get another new deal. Because he's going to Saudi Arabia. We've been on this road before. He's got previous. So then for the player to get assists, and that becoming the priority. That'll come when your team is focused on trying to win the big prizes and you're keeping clean sheets.

30:38Ian Wright: Then you look at someone like Bruno Roy. If they get the right players around, he'd probably do that again. and they will win stuff because he's got that and if they win if they win the league next year and he's got 20 assists I say do you know what well done Man United winning the league and Bruno well done that's a little side show that can't become the main show and yesterday he said himself he got interviewed on the pitch going yeah I'd probably pass it when I took some shot so even he said his priority was trying to get assists instead of maybe I might actually shoot myself

31:05Gary Neville: I mean they're not not winning the league because of him number one I mean ultimately you're saying he's part of a team but he's part of the team then he's contributing enormously to that team to be fair and is he not contributing to the team trying to like keep clean sheets that's part of his job isn't it absolutely but the thing I would say is that I used to think exactly the same 20 years ago when Cristiano was the first person I ever heard say I want to win the Ballon d 'Or during a season at United in an interview and I remember thinking forget the Ballon d 'Or forget that we need to win a league we need to win the Champions League he did go and win the Ballon d 'Or on the back of what though did he win leagues to be fair I think you don't win them big prizes unless you're winning they go hand in hand he was the first player I remember talking about individual awards and feeling a little bit uncomfortable about it but I do think looking back now it doesn't matter for these players to get the individual awards when you're like a Salah, a Bruno Fernandes, a Chris Gallagher.

31:52But if you're going into a game, my point is... Do you think he is though, Rob? No, but if you're going into a game and it's affecting your... Gary, listen to his interview after the game, yes. He actually said it. And I was watching the game and I'm going... You think it's because they're out of everything though, Rob?

32:03Ian Wright: They're already out of everything. It's the only thing he's kind of got left. I know what you're saying about him just being selfish about the assist. It's all he's got left. When they interview him after the game, they talk about assist. He'd go, I'm here to win trophies.

32:14Roy Keane: But is it the media as well? So if you said to him, you can put your foot down. No, but he's obviously getting asked the question. He's got asked the question, but he actually said, I'm watching the game. So even before his interview, I'm going, his mindset's not right there. He's trying to get assists. There was a chance for him to shoot yesterday. Particularly in the second half, but everyone was getting bogged down with assists. When he got the assists, they all ran over. Forget the goal scorer. They're going off to him. The assists should be a backup to everything else. The assists became the story of the weekend.

32:39I'm surprised. How can assists become the story at Man United?

32:42Gary Neville: But Ryan surprised that, because I thought he actually shot a couple of times when he should have passed it. He did the first half. When he should have passed it. When he should have passed it. No, no, look at the second half. He admitted himself. There was situations where he was like, no, no, go on, Bruno, the goal's there for you. First half he had a few shots, but then it all became about the assists. I can sort of understand it a little bit in the sense that that to get level with those two players, I can understand it. And what do you get for it? What do you get for it? There's no trophy for that.

33:07You're part of it, exactly. No, but you put yourself in company that's like, Right, what's the reason playing for Man United? What's the number one priority when you play for Man United?

33:16Gary Neville: And I think he would say that though, wouldn't he? To win trophies, he would say that, I think. He didn't say it yesterday. Well, Roy, to be fair, what I do know is that speaking to him three weeks ago, he said the reason he stayed last year was because he's not completed what he wants to, and that's win trophies at United, to be fair to him. He did say that. And he won't be winning trophies. Not with that mindset of the team yesterday, where they're giving up two goals and everyone's getting all giddy because he's equal a record for assists. It's mind-boggling. it's mind-boggling it's a circus act

33:41Roy Keane: I do think you go through a season and then if the accolades come they come down and that's fine it's all about opinion we'll be here till midnight I think that's wrong that this idea and everyone getting bogged down by assists should be way down the pecking order not the priority on a match they had Old Trafford that's a little side show and when players won awards at United it was fantastic but not where that was the main chat the main chat was well you're on about winning player of the year I got player of the year once and nobody turned up at the dinner That's not my priority. My priority is winning trophies.

34:12He needed an assist. What happened, Roy? That's still touching you deep.

34:17Roy Keane: You know, I don't want to carry a grudge here. No one assisted you. No one assisted you to the award.

34:23Gary Neville: That's been mentioned before about eight times on this programme. If you're a player and you're not winning trophies, but people bring up your stats, you'd be cringy. You'd be going, forget my stats. We've got to win trophies. Last year, they weren't on the pitch after finishing 15th. 15th last year Nobody was talking About the assists Last year But obviously Everyone's excited Because they've finished And they've qualified For the Champions League Qualified We have judged Bruno By his goals And assists over the years One thing I would say is That these things matter Because ultimately We judge these players By their output Their assists And their goals We judge them by that So we judge them We say I've heard you say A number of times But where's his goals Where's his assists That's what this guy Is delivering To be fair to him You made a point yesterday when you were doing the game.

35:09I'm watching it. Bruno gives a pass and he missed it. What did Bruno do after he missed it? You watched it. Oh, he went on the floor. Yeah, he went on the floor, yeah. Lovely, isn't it?

35:17Gary Neville: That was when Bermall missed the shot. Lovely. Why is he falling on the fucking floor? Excuse me. Well, I think he was disappointed that Bermall missed. For what? For who? Well, for himself and for the team. Right. Bang on. Bang on. For himself. He wasn't disappointed for the striker who was having a bit of a difficult spell and missed a couple of chances. He's thinking maybe assists and he does get an assist. Tissie would be going off to the strike, going, you've had a difficult spell, but I tell you what, you stuck at it. Brilliant. It's like Bruno, come off to me and toss my hair. Lovely. Spot on.

35:47Why did he fall on the floor? Why did he fall on the floor and wave his hands up in the air? Because that was an assist for him instead of going, we could have got another goal. Everyone tossing for his hair yesterday. Shaw scored first goal in 97 years. They're all going off to him.

36:05Why did you bring Bruno up for a bit?

36:06Roy Keane: Why did you take him into an argument? I didn't expect we were going to get that out.

36:09Ian Wright: Well, that's why. I was expecting there to be some flowers, to be fair. We go back to standards. Imagine us in a dressing room and we're finishing. We're not competing for any trophies. And someone's in a dressing room talking about an assist. You'll be like, you keep that up, pal. You keep that up. You'll be getting it as well. You've started them off now. Imagine that being a priority to Man United. That was the celebration yesterday. he joined some other brilliant players as an assist and then other guys I think on the back of their assist I'm guessing I don't know the stats we're winning we're winning the odd trophy all goes hand in hand Gary

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36:47Roy Keane: I think we're probably players though that would never have probably thought about individual awards but right here them awards like on your like as a striker as a striker as a striker as a striker Different mentality. That's what I mean. Is it something that you think about?

37:02Ian Wright: When you start the season, you're thinking about just being amongst the goals. You want to be scoring goals to win games. It's only when it starts to get to the latter stage of the season you start thinking about the golden boot. You don't really...

37:16Gary Neville: But right, the strikers have a mentality that even if the team win and they miss chances and they don't score, they do sometimes after the game get disappointed in their own personal not scoring. So there is that element of in a striker's mindset, you don't think like Roy's thinking, oh, Jill thought, I think you have to have that mindset. Of course you do. A bit more selfless. I think that's on the back of all the stuff, of course. Everyone's selfish. Players are selfish. They're looking at contract, assist. That all goes in the mix. Because I guarantee you, if Bruno's negotiating his contract in the summer, which he probably will do, use the assist.

37:44Of course he'll be throwing all that in the mix, as you do. And he plays all the games, you give him the thumbs up. But that shouldn't be a sideshow. That shouldn't be a priority for any football or a goal scorer. I just said to a goal scorer at the end of the season, well, I guarantee you 25 goals, but your team will win not. And I still think a striker, do you know, give me 15 goals and if we win the league, of course. But I think he would do that. He'd swap those assist records for a title. I haven't seen that in all this chit-chat or the stuff of the weekend. I'm not arguing that point. I'm sure he would swap them for a trophy, but not where that's his chat.

38:11We're all yesterday going, I probably should have, I probably should have shot what I'm... You're like, what's going through your head when you're playing a game of football? Or when your teammates miss a big chance who's struggling for confidence and you fall in the front and wave your hands up in the air. What about you, mate, who's missed a chance? Because you always say, oh, he's a great team player. He's always helping the young lads. Well, go off to the line. Hey, don't worry. I'm glad you're missing them chances because you're making the good runs. And eventually you'll get one. Don't worry.

38:32He's fallen off. You mentioned the commentator yesterday. You were like, oh, look at Bruno. Look at Bruno. You kept saying it. Look at Bruno.

38:41Look at Bruno.

38:44Gary Neville: You should come on commentary. No, no. A guy missed a chance and he falls on the floor. Was that last minute to win the league title? No, no. That's for me to get an assist. Get up off your knees.

38:56Roy Keane: But players are tagging players. Let me toss your hair. What's that? Let me toss your hair. Toss your hair. What do you all tossing each other's hair? But Harland was annoyed, wasn't he, that he didn't get that goal at Wembley the other day. I think it was like... Yeah, because he's not scored in the final.

39:09Gary Neville: That plays on your mind. Let me final, final, Wembley. There's two things I would say. Records matter to forward players more than it does to other players in the team. They matter. You know that, right? The goals matter to you. And also... Did clean sheets matter to you? Pardon? Did clean sheets matter to you? Or would you be happy to win 4-2? No, clean sheets, I must admit, clean sheets did matter to us. There's different parts of that. Goalkeepers want to keep clean sheets. But winning the game, to be fair, was more important than a clean sheet. And to be fair, we also played a certain way, which meant that we weren't best set up for clean sheets either.

39:45Gary Neville: We were set up to win stuff. Yesterday afternoon in the second half, I can live with that way of playing, to be fair, in the sense that I know they gave up some goals. They were poor goals. I thought, to be fair, Amar defended poorly for the first. I thought the crosses from Anderson were unbelievable, by the way. So I thought they were goals that you could look at and think, I'll tell you what, the second one's a brilliant goal, by the way. The Gibbs White one's fantastic.

40:07Ian Wright: Can we just say, Gibbs White's finish. It was a great finish. Coming in at that pace, opening himself out. It was, again, that was just, it was so good. people just skipped past it they don't realise the amount of

40:20Gary Neville: technical abilities I tried to end commentary that was like it was a brilliant Gary it was magnificent because pace of the pass pace of the pass

40:28Ian Wright: the way he opened it it was watching like if you're playing golf it was a hole in one it was perfect

40:33Gary Neville: is Anderson let's move on from is Anderson the real deal I wasn't going to ask this but is Anderson the real deal

40:37Ian Wright: I like him when you see him play at England he seems to go up a level when you see him sometimes at Forest he does things you think I don't think he'd do that otherwise he probably wouldn't be in there but like he seems to be a player that when he gets to the right level he gets his head in step up yeah yeah because like a chance his ability is brilliant roy do you like him yeah he's got a chance yeah i'm still not still holding back a little bit on what on everything on what everything but what part of his game are you holding back this decision making is the last i watched him last week against newcastle if you again if you want to watch it he was desperate really poor in the game scored a brilliant goal at the end so but do you know what?

41:15Fair play. The Villa game, again, the big games. He was poor against Villa in the European Cup. Not European Cup. Europa League. Europa League. So when I see him in the moments, I just hold back a little bit. But if I, will he get a big move in the summer? Probably. He's settling England really well, but England group matches were pretty easy. But that's a challenge for a player when the games are easy. Would you be going

41:36Gary Neville: all out for him if you united in City? Because they both need the field players. You say all out for him? Well, look, 70 million, 80 million. Yeah, I'd understand that. Yeah, but if you're talking about 100 or 125, all that crazy money, I'd be like, hold on a second. But if you're talking about 60 or 70, yeah, you'd have to be interested.

41:54Roy Keane: I think he'd suit United more than City, I think.

41:57Gary Neville: Well, no, but the thing is with City, obviously you've got, they do need a midfield player. The rumour is that City and United are both buying for his signature. That's what the rumour is, but I mean...

42:06Roy Keane: I think he'll start for England in the World Cup. Oh, he will. He's got every chance. I think that'll be a massive, massive test. That'd be a nice little test from him, again, the World Cup and the knockout games, because, again, England... Man United should do everything to try and make sure that they get him.

42:18Ian Wright: Especially with... It's exciting now with Michael signing and everything. Good luck to him and that. But if they get it right with the right players, United...

42:27Gary Neville: What would you go to? What would you stop at? What do you want to pay for him? Yeah. If he gets to 100, would you go for it?

42:35Ian Wright: Well, if you look at United... If you're a Forest. If you're a Forest and you're getting 100 million from him. Yeah. If you're United and you needed that kind of midfielder for so long, and Man City are trying to take him off you, then you've got to go where you've got to go, because you've got to get him. You've got to get him. I'd pay for him. I'd pay for him. He showed nice. He has shown good moments, of course. I always go back to him, he's still learned his trade, and I'll always be harsh on midfielders, and he's got years to mature yet, but United obviously would have to be looking at him.

43:07And then he did a couple of nice things yesterday, where that's the time to catch somebody's eye when you're playing against them. Them crosses.

43:14Gary Neville: The Cross is brilliant. Do you see him as a partner with Kobe Maynou?

43:18Ian Wright: Yeah. Yeah. Him holding and Kobe can go and do his eight work and all that sort of stuff. Then Bruno up there. That's...

43:26Roy Keane: Yeah. You do need someone, don't you? Oh, you too.

43:29Gary Neville: But I'm saying, is he the real deal? Because it's going to cost a lot of money. Yeah. A lot of money. But this is... But if we're talking... Have they got that big... Him and the two, have they got that big... I still think United need a bit more physical presence in there. That's the fault. You've got to have to deal with the ball. The one that they sign has got to be a physical presence. If they sign him, they have to sign someone who's got a bit of... So, like they were talking about...

43:50Ian Wright: Remember, like Baliba was talking about? You know who I quite liked as well? That Sangari at Forest, he's got that... It was alright, wasn't it, when he came on? You know something, when I watched him, I thought, obviously, maybe some of the technical... I agree. Physicality in that. I thought it was good when he came on. That's the kind of player, you know, with United, you could get him in a United with the quality around him. You just do that. Just do that physical stuff. I think that's the kind of profile. They have to get that right. They have to get two in the middle. Yeah, they have to get one in the middle.

44:18And two at the back. Two at the back. A full-back maybe in the centre half.

44:21Roy Keane: Is that what you would prioritise? Two midfielders, two? I think that, yeah. You're on about United's priorities. Forrest are, what, 15, 16 in the league. And United have conceded more goals than Forrest. United. So that tells you all the problems at United. Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing. You know what I was shocked about? How many goals Liverpool have conceded? 50, 52 is it or something?

44:47Gary Neville: Well, we're going to talk about Liverpool now.

44:48Roy Keane: I know, but to concede, like, I know there's a lot of noise around the manager and everything, but I'm like, surely you've got to look at how we'll concede in 50-odd goals. No matter how you set up, whatever, you've got to defend.

45:00Gary Neville: We're going to ring Jamie Carragher.

45:02Roy Keane: We haven't seen Jamie. We haven't seen him, but we're going to ring him about... I thought he'd picked us off.

45:06Gary Neville: We're going to ring him and put him on FaceTime. Yeah, get him on. You've took his place, Joe. You haven't.

45:11Roy Keane: That's how I've got my place. He's unavailable. He's going on low on. Is he going to answer? Oh, that's cute that you've got a heart after his name. A heart?

45:22Gary Neville: That's nice of him to answer, isn't it? He won't answer. He knows.

45:26Roy Keane: CarriganU23?

45:27Gary Neville: Well, he has a few numbers.

45:29Ian Wright: He won't answer because, like, he knows that it's you, he knows that it's the show and, you know, Liverpool... Does he know we're ringing?

45:36Gary Neville: Yeah, he knows you're ringing. Can we... Can he pick up? You're his friend from Liverpool, you know what I mean, Kieran? Do the face, FaceTime. I am FaceTiming him. Here he is.

45:47Roy Keane: Here he is. OK, you OK?

45:51Ian Wright: I can't see him.

45:51Gary Neville: Cara, have you got five minutes?

45:54Roy Keane: You have to put him that way.

45:57Gary Neville: We need to just go through... I mean, we're just going to go through the Mo Salah comments and just get your take on it to start with. So, Cara, obviously, everyone's... We had to start earlier.

46:06Ian Wright: I thought you was only starting at 10.

46:08Gary Neville: No, we had to start earlier. I've got to get down to London, Cara, for this game tonight. Me too.

46:12Roy Keane: He's with you.

46:13Gary Neville: Arsenal... Oh, is he still waiting for Skype?

46:18Roy Keane: We're missing you here. Because we were just on the overlap.

46:21Gary Neville: I thought you used to work on the overlap. Yeah. Yeah, I know exactly. That's what I'm saying. Cara, let me just read this quote out. I've witnessed this... I've heard the quote, just ask me a question. OK, Cara's heard the quote. Right. Basically, Mo Salah has... effectively walked out the door nearly and he's lobbed a grenade back inside for everyone to be left with. I'm Jake Stouck, co-founder and CEO of Serval. We built Serval to automate the IT work that slows companies down. Onboarding, password resets, access to applications, my laptop stopped working. While employees wait for help, their real work is put on hold.

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48:24Gary Neville: What did you make of his comments, Cara? I wasn't surprised, that's all. I basically told The lads at Sky My mates on the group chat Even a couple of people at Liverpool This was coming It was always going to happen So I'm not surprised at all I knew he'd do a little bit of a Ronaldo thing on the way out I know Ronaldo was a lot more Than the tweet that Mo Salahs put out But he was always going to do something So I'm not surprised really And again it just Liverpool still got something to play for at the weekend if Bournemouth gets something against City now we know it's not been a great season but it's all about Mo Salah again this week and that's what he wants he wants it always to be about him he wants it to be about goals or trophies I understand that normally but when it's not he always wants the attention on himself and it's for me I don't care how big a player anybody is I've always been the club always comes first and it's a big week for the club, they're going to make sure they get that result.

49:32Next week against Brentford, and we depress everything about Mo Salamone, and it's I don't care how good a player is, it's not right.

49:42Gary Neville: Should he play against Brentford, Cara? You and Roy have been managers, I haven't been a manager, but I don't think a manager should ever cut off his nose to spite his face. He should always think, right, what's going to give me the best chance of results, if he needs a result. Now, If he doesn't need a result and Liverpool are already qualified, now that might be something different. If Liverpool don't need to win the game, it might be different. I don't know. But the position I'm slotting right now with the supporters, it's very difficult not to give Mo Salah some sort of big send-off in the crowd.

50:19You almost can't win in some ways. If he had a bit more power, listen, you think of what Ferguson did to win on that last game.

50:29Ian Wright: left him out

50:33Ian Wright: Fergie's last game yeah it was Fergie's last game it looked like he was waiting for that to just get something back at Wayne for obviously something had happened a couple of years ago but I don't think Slott's in that position in terms of where he is with the supporters and the supporters no matter what will love Mo Salah for what he's done on the pitch and will want to give him a send-off so give him it but if it was me and I was Aaron A Slott I think I'd play a little bit clever with it. If I was, if I got my results, I was making sure I was in the Champions League positions. But no, I don't think it's come across well.

51:08And no, not for me at all.

51:10Ian Wright: Is it just the timing? Because what he's saying, is he telling any lies in what he's saying, Jay? No, no, he's not right. But anybody who thinks he's doing that for the better from the club, don't be daft. He's doing it for the better. He's trying to leave one on the manager on the way out, isn't he? Basically, that's what he's trying to do. I think when he left him out against PSG, now I didn't think he should have been out of the team in the PSG games, but he was on the bench I think for both PSG games, and I think it's a little reaction to that, to be like, oh I won't forget that that almost, you know, that is small, he thinks he's one of the best players in the world I don't know, I might be wrong, but I just think he's also you'll get him more on the way out I'll buy him in time I'll buy him in time, and he waits, doesn't he he waits till after 3-3 at the age, he waits till you lose a fillet, he knows always reach to him.

51:58Gary Neville: Cara, just one question. Is the more worrying thing for Arna Slott that four or five players liked his message on Instagram and seemed to support him because that, to me, would be as big a problem for me? I'm not as fussed at all because I think players now, I mean, we all do, we all like things that you don't even read them half the time.

52:19Roy Keane: Oh, I thought you liked my posts. Yeah, I mean, I always like everyone to be like each other.

52:30I think Curtis Jones Commented on it Didn't he And put a clap At the mojo Which I thought Was a bit straight Just a bit One of the reasons Why we don't play Every metal football Is what players like A little bit like Curtis Jones In the squad He takes six touches On the boat Before he passes I thought Steady on son Stay out of that one Let no salary Do whatever he wants to do He's leaving So No I wasn't that I'm not that too bothered Really And maybe they all look up to Salah you can imagine that he's a big figure in the dressing room you know world class player the old you know bounce room if you like I don't know what goes on in the dressing room but I think it was daft for them to do but I don't I wouldn't I wouldn't be I'm not only fussed by that to be honest I said he'll lead in the season he's trying to get the manager sacked you know whether people agree with me or not I've been proven right by him come out and do it again and this idea that he's doing it for Liverpool football because he's not he's just Salah FC who plays for Liverpool

53:26Gary Neville: Are you just upset because he wouldn't speak to you when Sky did an interview during the season and they said me? I don't go to Liverpool anymore. I'd rather not. But you told me about Salah when he first came. He wouldn't speak to you. He had some awards, wasn't it, your first year? He won't speak to anyone. Yeah, so you had the right being. You borrowed a bar load seven years ago, so yeah, put her up.

53:50Gary Neville: Put her up. Don't forget not. Have you got anything else to say on your... He's only been in Liverpool, he usually thinks he is, wouldn't even speak to me. Have you got any other takes on your beloved club before we sort of have a comment on it? No, just coming through the season to be old, it's just been a bad season all around, isn't it, for lots of different reasons and just wanted to start again. And that's what it looks like. The club want to do in some ways that you have to stick them with the manager. it's almost like just get this season out of the way, forget about, almost forget it's even happened, and almost let's say, let's start again.

54:27Listen, you can see both sides of it. I can't see both sides of the other hand.

54:32Gary Neville: Gal. Hey, Carrot, we're losing signal on you. I'm getting 25 % pay for this.

54:42Ian Wright: I knew he was going to mention pay. I knew he was going to mention pay.

54:50Gary Neville: Remember, Cara, though, you're still better than Man United, remember, even though you're finishing fifth and about ten points behind them. Well done, congratulations. I know.

54:59Roy Keane: You're losing them.

55:06Gary Neville: See you later.

55:07Roy Keane: Bye. Bye.

55:09Gary Neville: Nice one, Jimbo. You can lose Cannon. You can lose Cannon, that one.

55:14Roy Keane: When he says they have had quite a lot of bad luck, though, haven't they with injuries they have if you think about Eta

55:20Ian Wright: Conor Bradley everyone does it's a loss a lot of games too many games

55:23Gary Neville: I thought I mean look I think it does undermine slot when the four or five players do like it I mean I get what Cara's saying social media is something now people just like things but you know what you're doing if you're liking a comment like that Roy where do you stand on this obviously Cristiano Ronaldo made those comments on United a few years ago which was yeah when he was yeah and you sort of defended him at the time would you defend him what were his comments again so Cara's Ronaldo's comments a few years ago you remember he said that the club was the training he was right the words he said were absolutely correct I think I've got the quotes here one second let me just read out Ronaldo's because at the time you were very much Ronaldo returns to Manchester United he said basically he felt betrayed but he was said at the club when he said he's quote yeah he was betrayed fans should know the truth I don't have respect for the manager he doesn't respect me so basically at the time I was very I was annoyed I thought that was the wrong thing to do but to be fair you and I said this before you do think differently about sort of making sure that the truth is told do you support Mo Salah in these comments or would you say that it's a it's something Liverpool and Arneslott didn't do you say okay did I support them maybe I just maybe I was trying to get her up I can understand a players frustration when they're getting something out maybe yeah but am I giving like lads thumbs up for this no but I wouldn't be ultra critical of them where you at on Salah's comments in terms of what what do you think of them well not Not going from the manager's point of view, but from the...

56:48Again, Jamie makes the point of view, if you're a player in the dressing room, I think you roll with all that. We mentioned a few months ago about Salah leaving, I was kind of critical of the fact they've announced that he was leaving and everyone was saying, no, no, it's a chance to say goodbye. Because all this type of thing would worry me, it's kind of a long goodbye. But the fact he's come out and said that stuff, as Jamie said, but he's got previous, so I wouldn't be losing sleep, obviously. If I was in his dressing room, would I be upset with him? It's not great from the manager's point of view.

57:15Roy Keane: Why do you have to do it that way, though? If you really care about the club and changing it, go and have conversations in-house with people that can change. But he's got previous... But I don't think it was a surprise to Sal. He's had previous... Remember, he filled it with Klopp as well. Yeah, but I just don't think you have to...

57:30Ian Wright: You know something? Can I just say, though, Jill, with Sal and whatever we say, he's at that stature where he believes... I can say... I'm going to say this.

57:37Roy Keane: But he hasn't had a great season.

57:38Ian Wright: He's not had a great season, but he's had great seasons and he knows he's leaving. whether Gary's saying about a friend a Grenadian or not but our dressing room's different to when we played no maybe that's

57:47Gary Neville: it's unusual this though Roy I mean look this middle paragraph here or this second paragraph us crumbling to yet another defeat this season was very painful and not what our fans deserve I want to see Liverpool go back to being the heavy metal attacking team that opponents fear and back to being a team that wins trophies that is the football I know how to play and that is the identity that needs to be recovered and kept for good it cannot be negotiable and everyone that joins this club should adapt to it Jamie's going to be, Jamie will have a different view of it. Jamie played hundreds of games for Liverpool, he's a scouser, of course.

58:18But from us looking at that, I wouldn't... That sounds good. I don't know if it sounds good, but I wouldn't be going,

58:22Ian Wright: I'll tell you what, he's out of order, that's scandalous. Sounds like a rally call to me.

58:27Gary Neville: After a game, after a game that you've just lost to Aston Villa, and you've basically said the manager's not playing the style of play.

58:34Ian Wright: Yeah, I take all that into consideration, but I still feel like...

58:36Gary Neville: Hang on, let's just put yourself right. You're a manager, and you're a manager, and you're a manager, right? you're in the dressing room you've lost a football match and one of the players comes out who's the star player in the team and says your style of play is shit and you've got to change to how we used to play the previous manager that's what he said let's not dress this up but from a manager's point of view what you say you've got that many problems that's not nice but you're going it's not my priority at the moment this priority we're obviously thinking let's try and get the game out of the way Salah is leaving let him get that off his chest and I'm trying to rebuild the club for next year and the new players that he's have struggled to settle in so that's When we said a few months ago, we all agreed that was probably a good idea that he was going to leave.

59:13Yeah. And if he's getting things off his chest...

59:15Roy Keane: You would be annoyed, Roy. You'd be annoyed. If that was one of your players. Management is about being annoyed with players. But would you drag him in and speak to him? I'll put it this way. If I was slot at the moment, I'd be more annoyed with the players' performances than that. Of course, you're not going to in the morning go, hey, lovely little statement. I bet your staff would be sitting over the cup 10 going, he's not helped us out.

59:33Gary Neville: But what do you tolerate? Players come up with stuff. Our players leak stuff, lads. But what do you tolerate in terms of what would be loyal? What can he do? Yeah, exactly. What can he do? No, no. So my point is, ultimately, I think Cara's right. I think he has to play him on Sunday and bite his bottom lip and sort of, I think yesterday I said, just, you know, take your medicine. But if he had any authority, if Arna Slott had authority today at the club with the fans and obviously with what's going on, he would not have him in the game on Sunday.

1:00:00Ian Wright: If he had any authority, Mo wouldn't have done that. I don't think Mo does that. If it's a certain amount of respect, he wouldn't have done it.

1:00:06Gary Neville: He's a Premier League winning manager. He would have done it in a different way. He might be in a position where he doesn't have to play him. And then we go, because again, we go back to, if you're going to lose your job, making on your decision, you're saying, has he got the power? Well, he's got the power to pick the team. All right, he said a few months ago, and everyone was saying, is he under pressure to play people like Salah? He will be Sunday. Of course. There'll be open warfare. He doesn't play Mourna. Yeah, but again, but if you're going to go to war, then go to war. Yeah. If you're the manager of Liverpool, and you're playing, is it Brentford at home?

1:00:33Go on. And obviously, Jamie's making, don't cut off your nose to spite your face. yeah but you still think I'd like to think we can beat Brentford without Salah

1:00:40Ian Wright: yeah but the thing is he knows he can he can put that out he can put that out put him out and still put him out he's got the power he's got the power

1:00:47Gary Neville: look this is where if I was on the slot I'd be looking at the sort of executive and the owners and saying look you've got to back him here or you've got to sort of get because the reality is they've got to choose a horse haven't they but you're saying back him it's going to be his last game you're picking a team you think it's best to win the game but he's going to definitely be speaking to the hierarchy at Liverpool and saying look this is a breach of trust. He's leaving next week, Gary. It's a breach of discipline, isn't it? Saying that publicly is a breach of discipline. Is it? How? Oh, Roy.

1:01:14Gary Neville: Well, can he get fined for it? Look, I would say that to me is a breach of discipline in terms of a team ethic. No, it's a team ethic. You think that's normal? You're saying the team... He's keep everything in. I'm not saying he's not entitled to say it. Not anymore, Gilles.

1:01:26Roy Keane: Well, we're used to saying nothing gets in, nothing gets out.

1:01:30Gary Neville: You said before, Roy, about the team being the most important. That is very much... That is whatever you call it. And these players, to be fair, I do think make statements like this. You said the team's the most important, but then on the other side you're going, but Bruno's assists are brilliant. It's the team. I know, but the team, this is a direct attack on the, it is a direct attack on the style of play, the manager, the team. It is a direct attack. Has he not done it with Klopp? He's done it with Klopp. He started throwing his arms up with Klopp. I think it was at West Ham. He's got previous Salah.

1:01:56But the reason, we've had this conversation before.

1:01:58Gary Neville: How would you deal with this then? The reason with Salah, we mentioned about Ronaldo. Why do we let these players off with this stuff? Pochettino was there talking about going back to Maradona why do you tolerate all these boys? Because they win your game on the weekend you wouldn't tolerate that from an average full back you wouldn't but what comes with greatness would it be Ronnie O'Sullivan Alex go back to Georgie Best there's an edge to them they will get things off their chest they will go drinking they will go missing but you go do you know what I kind of need them So what do you think I don't think they need Sal at the moment why do you think I left Man United 34 do you think Ferguson would have got rid of me when I was 24 absolutely not but what do you think So think of Shobbaz Lai, Kerkhez, Jones supporting it.

1:02:38Gary Neville: I mean, Jones, obviously, in particular... You've got your time with them as well. You might pull them pre-season, but you wait. You wait and you go, lads.

1:02:45Roy Keane: It's mad how we're talking about likes on a social media post, with all the actual, you are right, the on-field problems. But a like... But a manager's job, every day, you're going, Slot at the moment is just putting fires out. That's just another fire he's going to... But a like is an approval of a statement. Yeah, yeah.

1:03:01Ian Wright: The guys who have liked it, they know exactly what they're doing.

1:03:04Roy Keane: But do you think he cares so much about Liverpool, he's put that out? What do you think the reason is that he's put that out? Who do you think Salah cares about the most? Himself. Obviously, and that's fine. That's the selfishness of a footballer. Looking after something, we did the same with the contract. Was it two years ago he was interviewing, this might be my last time at Old Trafford. He's been giving message out for the last few years. Eventually he signs his deal. That's how he rolls. But everyone's kind of forgiven him. Jamie just said that Liverpool fans are going to give him a great send-off.

1:03:31And Jamie sat here many times going, the most important man at Liverpool is the manager. Obviously not at this moment in time. Because if Salah gets a good send-off, then that's fine. He's one. He seems he can do what he wants.

1:03:43Gary Neville: Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing. Well, that's a good point to move into, because you said manager, because nobody in the league is called manager anymore. Right. From Alonso. He's usually head coach. So has been given a four-year deal by Chelsea. Do we think that's...

1:04:00Roy Keane: It means nothing.

1:04:00Gary Neville: A positive move? No, to be honest here, Two things I will be absolutely certain of with Javi Lonzo's contract. He's obviously taken control. He's got a manager. He will have a horrific penalty on the club if they get rid of him in the first couple of years, so I'd imagine. He will put some sort of what would be clause in there that will make it very...

1:04:17Ian Wright: Can you imagine him going in to do the contract? They're desperate, aren't they? He could literally ask for what he wanted there. So good luck to him. That's when you're most powerful. Absolutely. When you get in there, Roy, I think he's done... Hopefully he'll do well for himself.

1:04:31Gary Neville: But is it exciting for Chelsea to have a manager that's revered, obviously, I think in Germany for what he did. He found it tough at Real Madrid.

1:04:40Ian Wright: Yeah, but that's the players and that just shows maybe he weren't ready for that. Even though he's a player of stature, he weren't ready to go in that dressing room and lead it. But we're talking about somebody now who plays a style of football with a team that's Champions League. They're going to have one game. He's got every opportunity to really instil a real good project at Chelsea with those players. And obviously if they're going to buy the players that he'll want... What system does he play? He's five.

1:05:11Gary Neville: They've accused him, hasn't he? Yeah.

1:05:13Roy Keane: Does he play three at the back? Three at the back. But I think he'd be willing to... I don't think he's as set on that as, say, I don't know, like a Namorim or whatever. I think he'll have to...

1:05:25Ian Wright: He could be good there. When the news comes out, you go, yeah, I can see that, yeah.

1:05:30Roy Keane: You'll get respect after that, won't you?

1:05:32Ian Wright: Chelsea are very lucky that he's available at this time to get a manager like him to come and sort them out where they are in that chaotic vibe. I saw an interview with Todd Bowley the other day and he said there was a season he had to take over and he didn't have a clue what he was doing. He didn't even know what he was doing. He was from America, he didn't know what was going on and he was making all these deals. It was like you could tell. they've got this manager at the perfect time for them, Chelsea. It's unbelievable that he's fallen. Hopefully they don't mess it up with him.

1:05:58Gary Neville: Because they have got some talented players, haven't they? They need some experience in their spine. They need a goalkeeper, they need centre-back and they need centre-forward. I think they did alright

1:06:06Roy Keane: in the FA Cup final. They made it difficult for City. They weren't, I thought it was going to be easier. Yeah, but I thought it was going to be easier for City. It was sad watching

1:06:15Ian Wright: the FA Cup. The FA Cup, yeah. I said this to you earlier on this season. I said the FA Cup has got an identity crisis.

1:06:23Gary Neville: Absolutely. It was depressing.

1:06:25Ian Wright: Should it still be the last game of the season? Of course it should. You know, you've got a loss in everything. There's a women's game. There's so many games on. When I was younger, the FA Cup was the only game on and you built up all through the week and everything was perfect. And I was watching it and I said, this is gone.

1:06:41Gary Neville: Righty, we have literally come in this morning. We've talked about three or four issues.

1:06:46Ian Wright: Yeah.

1:06:47Gary Neville: And we've not even mentioned the FA Cup final. I know. How can that be? That can be exactly. I think when ITV lost it, that's when it really went down.

1:06:55Ian Wright: When he lost his identity. He lost us, yeah. I remember when I was younger, I was able to watch the rounds and everything. I was watching everything. I can't do that now. You can watch a final. It's a great example for Pep. So Pep wins the FA Cup. And all the other managers over the last few years who take chance for the FA Cup, they don't prioritise it because I understand the relegation battle or whatever, but teams are mid-table. and you see Pep, who's one of the greatest managers of all time, going all out to win these clubs. Managers must, or coaches, must look at Pep and go, well, he keeps wanting to win stuff.

1:07:27Why shouldn't we try and do it? And that man about mid-table clubs who go along nicely and come to the FA Cup, they just don't make an effort for it.

1:07:34Ian Wright: You know, you've got to point it out for that. Fulham. Watching Fulham, if I'm Fulham fans, I'll be devastated. Fulham are so disappointed. Fulham more than anything, in the way that they don't go for it. Even this season. dropping players to play leaving players out to play against Southampton unlike Southampton that last season if they improve

1:07:54Gary Neville: their league position by a couple of places it gives them more money and more prestige than the FA Cup that's what they it's wrong it's wrong look at Palace last I know but look at Palace went through last week last year

1:08:06Ian Wright: they've given their fans something it's mad it's just like for the sake of the money and everything and the way the FA Cup's gone it's because of the yeah but then you get to Europe as well you know what I mean there's so many What we can't change is what's happening with the competition.

1:08:20Gary Neville: To be fair, on Saturday, one thing I took after the game was, I thought, if you're Pep Guardiola in a transition period and you're winning two trophies and you're still knocking on the door for the league, it's still a good season for Manchester City. There was no disrespect to Manchester City about the FA Cup final. I was happy when United went two years ago. But if you're a manager and you're looking at Pep, if any manager can dismiss the FA Cup, it's probably Pep going, he's won everything, City have got other priorities, obviously Europe get knocked out, but still early in the season, But people, other managers must look at Pep and go, why is he so desperate to win this trophy?

1:08:50And he's won all the big prizes. I'm a manager who's won nothing. I might have managed hundreds of games, but you can have a chance of a little bit of glory.

1:08:58Gary Neville: What do we think about the attire? We know that Pep always wears a polo neck and the Chelsea manager wore a tracksuit. What do we think about that when we saw it walking out?

1:09:08Ian Wright: It's gone, isn't it? It's gone because like... You should be smart on FA Cup, dear. You know, it's the suits... And the same with... You know what it started for me when it's like, When they started making the semi-finals go to work. I'll never get over that. I will never get over it. Then no suits. You know, this is the thing that you built up all week. You measured your suits, you came onto the pitch in your suits. You saw the players in the hotels. I know it's a bit nostalgic, but they've taken everything away. Did they bring a song out? No, they didn't bring a song out. They didn't bring a song out.

1:09:40Ian Wright: You know the only thing that reminded me of it back in the game? Bring back Top of the Pops as well. Remember the song, what's the song we always sing at the FA Cup final? Oh, Abide With Me. That's the only thing that took me back because that was always in it. Everything else is gone. It's gone. How did you score in the FA Cup final? It is the history of it.

1:10:00Roy Keane: Like, you know, when I seen Martinez, the first thing I thought was Wigan when they won the FA Cup. Like, I think of Sunderland, I wasn't even born in 1973, we beat Leeds in the FA Cup final. Like, that's what you get told about in the club. Like, it's a history.

1:10:13Gary Neville: How's it come back? How's it come back? How's it come back? Because to be fair, I must admit, how's it come back, the FA Cup?

1:10:18Roy Keane: Last game of the season, I think that's a good one. ITV, get it back on ITV. Maybe play it at the end of the season. It is weird when the league is still going on. But that tells you the priority. Obviously, the league is more important in terms of... Put them all in suits, bring a song out. But you're talking about managers and tracksuits. The only point I would be, obviously, managers try and wear what you're comfortable in, of course. But if you're going to wear a tracksuit, wear a nice one. You know what I mean? Don't wear a one that looks 15 years old, that's got like bubbles on it. Wow. What did you wear?

1:10:46Roy Keane: As a manager? He wore clothes. Smell you? I wore clothes. I wore clothes. Well, I'm glad he did. I mean, he wore clothes. He wore clothes. He wore clothes. Did you have suits on? I don't think it will never come back.

1:11:00Ian Wright: It will never come back. So the FA Cup's gone forever? The FA Cup and the way that people perceive it is gone.

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1:11:49Gary Neville: Give me that trophy. Wow, we missed it.

1:11:51Roy Keane: Oh, is this Dibbler? Is it over?

1:11:54Ian Wright: Yeah. There's another game to go on. Lovely, it's really clean.

1:11:57Roy Keane: That is really nice.

1:11:59Ian Wright: It is. Oh, who wins it? Oh, wow.

1:12:01Gary Neville: What's going on here? What's going on? Oh! It's a little bit of a change, isn't it? So... Wow. That's all right, isn't it? Perfect. Well, what we'll do is, before we get into this, we'll just... Yeah, look how much I want for us. Look how much I want.

1:12:12Roy Keane: Oh, it's all about you. I'm on there as well. Can we listen to Ben? So, for the...

1:12:17Gary Neville: Let him speak, Jill. For the third year running, Gary's team has beaten Roy's team. Is it over yet? It is. How is it? So, final score... This game's next. Gary and Jamie, 159. Roy, Ian and Jill, 138. So...

1:12:30Ian Wright: Yeah, but there's games. There's games next week.

1:12:33Gary Neville: Well, join the league and keep playing then. Thank you. Thank you. That's just because I'm really not happy with that. Winning trophies matters, you know what I mean?

1:12:45Gary Neville: Thank you to David Moyes, to Wayne Rooney, to Paul Scholes, to Jamie Carragher.

1:12:50Roy Keane: You left Jamie last.

1:12:51Ian Wright: How can we do that when there's a week left? There's a week. It's so given an answer. There we go. Ridiculous. It's a beautiful trope. Can I take this home with me?

1:12:59Gary Neville: Good going, Gary. Thank you. Thank you on behalf of my teammates that aren't here today. I said more. Congratulations.

1:13:05Roy Keane: Well done, Gary. Did you see you?

1:13:08Gary Neville: Stay there. Just behind me. No, what's happening? There for the rest of this next season, please. That needs to be there.

1:13:13Roy Keane: Liverpool were not... Jill, well done. We'll finish. But we're also going to revisit your hot takes from earlier in the season.

1:13:19Gary Neville: Oh, wow. And see who's getting some... Tell you what, I was a lot closer. I remember Carragher when he laughed at this one. He did, yeah.

1:13:27Roy Keane: You's actually laughed at mine as well. Oh, Roy. Roy!

1:13:30Gary Neville: Roy! That's the best one, isn't it? I should get more than 10 ,000. How can that be the best one? Bournemouth will qualify for... Of course, they will. I've got no other distractions.

1:13:38Roy Keane: How do you feel you all did? That's terrible. I'm so pleased Bournemouth will turn up for me. I think I said top four.

1:13:46Gary Neville: Roy's buttoned it. Jill's buttoned it. Ian's buttoned it. No, not Ian has it. Chelsea won't make it past the Champions League group stage. They did though, didn't they? They did. So Jamie's bit... He's out.

1:13:56Roy Keane: Liverpool won nothing.

1:13:57Ian Wright: So, Kara's out. He can't have any kind of progress for me. You always bring it down. Ian's the worst one. Ian's the worst one. Warmer will stay up.

1:14:08Gary Neville: Warmer will stay up. Brilliant, man. We'll have a little league table. No, because if mine does come true, by the way... What are the odds of my one, the two teams staying up?

1:14:15Roy Keane: Two of the teams staying up. Your one's easy. You know you will finish top six. What a prediction that is. You laughed at me. You laughed at me. Yeah, because it was so funny. Obviously, we're going to do it. No, yous were all saying the one gets... You know you're going to finish in the top half. It's all on camera.

1:14:29Gary Neville: OK, so... I said Chelsea, in the top four or five, you're last. My view here is, personally, my view is, at the moment, Roy is winning. Definitely. OK, hang on, hang on. At the moment, Roy is winning. Oh, my... Hear me out, right? Hear me out. He's an honest man. Hear me out. If Bournemouth were to beat City, and then go past Liverpool and then go into the Champions League, that would be, like, massive. Would that be roasting? Lava time. We can discuss that then when we meet up next season. I know, but then it also brings mine into play, which means Liverpool wouldn't be in the Champions League if Bournemouth went past them.

1:15:04Roy Keane: Which is a great show.

1:15:05Gary Neville: Which would be unbelievable. Unbelievable, yeah. From where they are. So, I think we've got... At the moment, who's got the best show? Roy. Roy. He's also on one, so it's definitely... I think I said... Roy should get all their money then for the guide dogs. Well, good news is, Super Six, because they're just great, are going to give£50 ,000 to all these people. No! Yay!

1:15:25Ian Wright: Everybody wins! Everyone wins. What a silly idea. You're not a guide dog. Sorry, Older Hay. Nothing. That's better, isn't it? Yeah, they'll be fine.

1:15:36Gary Neville: They'll survive. It's a charity. That's fantastic. Forget the other foundations, forget the children at the bottom. Let's give all of it to Roy for the dogs. I want to send a video on myself and I'm lucky. Next year, back a better pundit. Thank you. My one was the best one.

1:15:51Ian Wright: That was, Joel.

1:15:59Gary Neville: Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing. On Saturday, I watched my first Scottish football match for a long time.

1:16:08Roy Keane: Oh, yeah.

1:16:09Gary Neville: And I know we've got some people who have got a Celtic bias in this room, but I felt so sorry for hearts.

1:16:15Ian Wright: How can you not? How can you not?

1:16:16Gary Neville: Oh, I know it's... I just thought, do you know something? I mean, obviously, Celtic, well done to them. They've won the trophy. Martin, who's been on the show, incredible achievement. Well done. But I was so... I felt so sorry for that. You watched the whole game. Did you stick with it? Everyone. I stuck with it.

1:16:30Ian Wright: Yeah. It's tough on them. It's very tough because you know what? And they scored first. I know. In that place. I thought, you know what? They've got to get to half-time of one. Absolutely right. They've got to get to half-time of one. But then the penalty, Roy. Yeah. But even before that, right? He gave the boss. But you know what? What we love, truthfully, Hatch are excellent. But top-level sport, it's brutal. It's a reminder to everybody. You're trying to win stuff. Win stuff. win not assists or corners except you got a win still and it's brutal but that's what we love it I love watching top level it was so cruel but that's why we love it if it wasn't cruel we'd be like oh we'd be blase about it

1:17:08Roy Keane: how many years has it been over 30? no since it was Celtic or Rangers it was 42 wasn't it?

1:17:18Gary Neville: wasn't it Alex Ferguson? for another team outside the Glasgow wasn't it Alex Ferguson? yeah Yeah. But...

1:17:24Roy Keane: Long time.

1:17:26Gary Neville: I think that was... Do you know something that sounds crazy? I mean, obviously, if you're a Celtic fan, you're going to be absolutely not listening to this whatsoever, but it felt like it did need, or does need, doesn't it?

1:17:36Ian Wright: A heart to win. It does need. Yeah, but Tony Bloom's in there. Yeah, yeah, listen, he's... You know what I mean? His plan was... This is his first season. I know. So, can you imagine? Yeah. That's their first season. That's what I would probably say to them. I know they had to leave with their fucking clothes in their hands because they couldn't even get changed. They had to leave. Because the fans were in the dressing room. Yeah, the fans went crazy there. But that's going to happen. I remember being there when one of those things happened, waiting for you outside. Credit to Celtic then. You got to this heart's brilliant, but Celtic hung in there.

1:18:02The ups and downs, changing managers, Martin going in. And Martin showed why he's a top manager. Managing upwards. How cool did Martin look, by the way? He wore tracksuits before.

1:18:11Ian Wright: That green tracksuit is gorgeous. That green tracksuit with the little... It wouldn't have been cool inside, let me tell you that. No, Martin would have been. But to get him over the line, Martin's done a brilliant job. He's obviously a staff and a player. Again, the top players found a way to win. It wasn't pretty in the game. I think they've won the last seven league games.

1:18:29Roy Keane: Do you think it shows how important it is, Roy? Obviously, he's gone in tactically. Technically, you can't change too much, but his level of emotional intelligence. Or Martin's that. We'll overthink that sometimes. We haven't got a lot of managers that seem to get the best out. We're talking about managers. We're talking about coaches now, but Martin would have managed the club. There was a lot of off-the-field stuff going on with fans and the board. I'm not saying that's gone away. He managed to get everyone on side. Yeah, that's the idea. Bands at the end. Board, or that's management. That's experience that Martin has got.

1:18:59And I've worked with him and that's probably certainly one of Martin's biggest strengths, bringing people together. Yeah.

1:19:06Gary Neville: But he did unify. He has unified them, hasn't he? That's so good.

1:19:09Ian Wright: I was so happy for him. So happy for him.

1:19:12Gary Neville: I was happy for him, actually. He just felt like... I mean, to be fair, also there's an element of sometimes respecting the fact that the big club gets that last minute win. There was an element of that as well because... Remember, Martin's 74 years of age, right? Martin's had a brilliant career and he's probably got a nice life. But he ran about a fire in his belly. And I remember when Martin goes up to Celtic and he doesn't bring staff in. Sometimes you go, I've got a couple of lads I bring with me. He's going in there working with people he's never worked with. And he's getting all them on side and getting his footballing points across to people.

1:19:41We're on about projects and managers need time. He didn't need time. He went into a group of players, got a grip of them. Managed upwards as well with the board and all the fans and whatever was going on up there. and they got them winning football matches and they got them over the line. They're in the cup final next week. So for a manager to go into a club where it was in disarray, that's top level management. If Martin don't go in,

1:20:02Ian Wright: they don't win that. No, no. Hearts win that. That's the thing for Hearts. Unfortunately, he's the one who came in and did it. And if you're Celtic, again, we were back when we were united. If you have a home match to win the league, you take it, wouldn't you? Oh, yeah. You can get over the line. You just felt like, even when it was 1-0, you just felt like... Hearts had to get the hand, They needed, yeah. You just felt like they're not going to hold them. Even though the decision-making before the penalty, I was looking at my possession. It's amazing where teams can be compact and neat and tidy and then they get a goal up, they get all a bit.

1:20:32They start making strange decisions, so they just keep it or win a foul, just get half-time, two or three minutes.

1:20:37Gary Neville: I mean, it's a brilliant moment for Celtic fans at the end when the lad just runs clear. Yeah, yeah. But do you know something? It drove me absolutely crazy. The Hearts coach had stopped the keeper going in, I think, two corners before. No, because it showed him just going like, no, no, no. I thought he must be talking to the goalkeeper. He stopped him going up once. I'm thinking, what's the benefit of having the keeper? You might as well shove another outfield player in there and have the goalkeeper at the edge of the box. You know what I mean? It's like... But we go back to it. The importance of set-piece is sending people up.

1:21:06The delivery. Yeah. So how do you think, unless we've got one last chance, we send the keeper. Whatever they might be doing, the madness of football, and you've got to put a good delivery. Put it in the right place. You don't get good delivery. That's the key. Talk about set-piece and movement. Got to be good delivery. and that wasn't but listen the table doesn't lie best team always are in the league and the tree wash teams get relegated that'll never change and on that note

1:21:31Ian Wright: well done

1:21:32Gary Neville: well done this morning we've provided we've provided some good we've provided some good assists

1:21:37Roy Keane: good assists

1:21:39Ian Wright: it's all about the assists it's all about

1:21:41Roy Keane: the assists

1:21:41Ian Wright: all about the assists

1:21:48Ian Wright: are we having these on no but you just take those with you now speak with your mouth fully in no I've only got a little

1:21:54Gary Neville: okay let's have pictures Howard here Howard you're here

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