Roy’s Advice for Amorim, Eze’s Journey & Mainoo’s Man Utd Future | Stick to Football EP 91

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1:23Gary Neville: I think I need my greens. Do you know what I think? Well, yeah. I need lion's mane mushroom, I need. Swap that. Excellent. There we go.

1:44Do you want it back?

1:50Gary Neville: There's no one in here today.

1:51Ian Wright: It's good.

1:55I was thinking about maybe getting something else. Switching it. What? I don't know, right? Air hockey, what? Something. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's good. That's good. Keep it interesting, then. Do you? It's what happens if you shit at table tennis. Well, it just feels like there's so much space.

2:11Ian Wright: You're right. So much space to do stuff. We're getting less and less people in the audience. You're getting fancier. I'm fancier. What happens? It might ramp up, though, in a few weeks. Is it? It could do. Why? What have you done now?

2:21Gary Neville: What have you done without us now? Ebbs and flows. No, it just does, doesn't it? Are we allowed to bring people? Yeah, a couple, yeah. It's fine. Just to watch. Do you need tickets? Jill, the most important thing is... Yes, look. Yeah, look, see. Roy, you didn't even notice. Do you want... Feels like box to box. It's not a new sponsor. We couldn't afford it. I'll pay me breakfast. It's not really Soviets. Do you want one?

2:48Ian Wright: Roy, put this under there for us, please. Just do it. What's that weird? Do you think this has come round really quick?

2:54Gary Neville: Yeah. Like, really quick? Oh. Roy, right, he would like us to film every week rather than every two weeks. Would you? Right, right, right. Every week. Right, once every day. Sure, yeah, please care. What, and just do one episode? No, but less is more. Probably just come up and visit me. Yeah, but the thing is, it's just been... Remember, right, he used to come up on a Tuesday and have a stew. I mean, then he gets sick of that and then they just... You know what I mean?

3:19Ian Wright: I thought you used to come down as the Champions League together. I know. You did it at the start. The novelty wore off. It's just been the summer's just gone and now we're getting back into it. No, but even the end of last... I was going to go last night.

3:30Gary Neville: Transactional, Ian. Celtic, you could have watched the Celtic game. Two Celtic lads together could have watched Celtic. Why don't you come up? Why don't you come up anymore?

3:38Ian Wright: It's just because I've been busy. Why are you going up? What are you digging me out for? I'm just being busy at the start of the season. I would have came to myself. I'm a missus. What's the point? What's the point of being busy? it's no good having been busy and having all that money if you can't make time for your friends keep your money, keep your houses time for your friends I'm going to not say anything because it doesn't get through anyway when did you do the essay interview Ian? I don't know oh you had time for that one of your brothers it was the night before I got a call and said listen on the Friday?

4:14Ian Wright: it was the Thursday it's a good signing though isn't it Oh, my God, what a sign. Thanks, son. He's really good. You know what's good about it? You could see him and his family. You know something?

4:24Gary Neville: Wasn't it a nice walkout with his face? His face was so happy. Yeah, but you can't lie about how happy he was.

4:30Ian Wright: And then the things the whole family are just staunch arse. It would have been... Can you imagine what the whole family is going through? Thinking, well, he's going to be playing for Tottenham. You know what I mean? It was just like... But the pure happiness and joy of him being there. You just feel like it's going to work out for him. I want it to work out for him simply for that reason. He's where he wants to be. That's very rare. You get where you want to be at the level he's at. You know what I can't believe? It's not rare. They've all done that. Yeah, but they were there. They were there.

5:03Ian Wright: You know what I mean? He had to go. He got thrown out of there at 13 and came back and always wanted to be there. What's his journey then?

5:10Gary Neville: Go on, tell us his journey.

5:11Ian Wright: When he was a youngster, he was at all the clubs. He was at Millwall. He was at all of them.

5:14Gary Neville: and you just got rejected

5:16Ian Wright: no but that's the same for everyone I've got every story you know what's really tough about being on here you know what's really tough about being on here is when you're trying to explain something with a little bit of he's doing eyes he's going like this have you seen his face the one he does that's going on today

5:41Gary Neville: this episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing. At the moment, Liverpool might be described as the most entertaining team. I don't want that. Someone's talking about tactics and going, shut up, I'm doing it. You're being carried. Did you mention how close he was going to Tottenham? It was done. You can feel it, you can't believe it. It's happened. That pressure will be building on him already for the next few games. And I look at him and I just think, are you quite ready for this? He's got to win some more football matches. He's got to find a way to win. Why are you bringing her on?

6:10She's fucking shit. I don't think Sainan Jokhara has win you the league I think if Arsenal were to win the league it's still the two centre-backs in the goalie I gave that man a lot of flowers bro that was crazy what I was watching people might think I was at an arky gig but if something happened I would kind of move on quickly enough but if he's your captain or your senior player or one of your leaders these are not good traits

6:36Ian Wright: all I'm saying is the journey for a player as good as he was I cannot understand And our so many teams didn't take him when you look at what he was capable of doing. For him to stay in it, get himself... QPR got to get a lot of credit for taking him on. And then Palace, obviously, for paying the£20 million for him. And then him getting to a place where he's now gone. He's gone where he wants to be. And now he's at the place he wants to be. Yeah, but maybe some of that's on him, right? If you know what I mean. Well, you have to question that, Roy. Simply because of how good he is. Yeah, of course.

7:06But the talent, as we know, when you're younger is not enough. We've all seen it at the big clubs. It'd be nice to live. And some lads, you know, they get sighted. Where does he play right in the team? If he eventually nails down a position, because the Bisham and I look the way Arsenal play right now, it almost feels like Declan Rice plays in that role,

7:22Ian Wright: the way he played at Crystal Palace. I think he'd probably be on that left side. When you asked him, he said... Left wing. Left side coming in, coming inside, I don't know. I was going to ask that. He won't bother. He said, listen, I just want to play and stamp myself and then go from there.

7:37Gary Neville: We said we were going to the middle of the show here, but we might as well because we've started on it on Sunday against Liverpool they're obviously going to play Jokeres and I think Madweke is probably going to play in Saka's position but do you think he'll play him on the left or Trossard or Martinelli do you think Trossard will come in Martinelli didn't even get on the other day but do you think he'll play Eze there or do you think Trossard or Martinelli on that Sunday because it's a big game

7:57Ian Wright: I'd probably like him to start him because we have to go there to win you know what I mean what we're doing this season especially now we've got the injury with Saka and Erdogan bam yeah that happens but we've got the squad is deep in up now we've got to still go there hopefully Eze comes in Jokras and we've got to go there to win yeah but you don't have to win right you don't have to win but you have to have the intention remember Scolzi I agree with Scolzi

8:24Gary Neville: on this as well

8:25Ian Wright: yeah but maybe towards later on the season they've still got to Liverpool by the way still to

8:28Gary Neville: statement no no no Roy I'm not saying we have to go there

8:30Ian Wright: and win I'm saying we have to go there with the intention to win so not like going and playing on the back foot go there to try and put Liverpool on the pressure trust Adler

8:38Gary Neville: It would be the safe bet, wouldn't it? Like, doing a job on that left-hand side. He'd play Martinelli, wouldn't it? Would he be on the bench? I don't think he could play Martinelli. Pace? He didn't even come on the other day. I don't think he will. He was really struggling the whole time, didn't he? What do you think about Jokka Rez, like, when I watch him? Like, do you think he runs the chance? There's a few times I think he's in them wide areas and he's crossing, but he needs to be more central, do you not think? There's some... I mean, look, he's a bit clumsy. He's a bit awkward at times. I quite like him.

9:06Gary Neville: Yeah, he's so strong. He's got a body on him. But you want him central, don't you? I actually liked him at Old Trafford. A lot of people said he was really poor. There were things that I saw, because I thought De Ligt had a brilliant game. I thought he looked like he could...

9:17Ian Wright: You know what happened with him as well? When's the last time Arsenal actually played with a proper number nine? Yeah. You know what I mean? So I watched him against United make runs. I watched him towards some of the runs he was making against Leeds. But obviously during training they've said, when he does that, do it. Because even when he scored his goal, Califiori didn't even look. He just put it in and that didn't happen at United. So I think, Jill, what happens is that once they get used to what he's going to do, then hopefully people will start to... He's not silky, is he? I think he's one of these ones.

9:49Ian Wright: He's a bulldozer. We constantly talk about probably things he doesn't do, but he'll end up scoring you lots of goals. Yeah. I think so. He's that old-fashioned striker. The way he runs, he's a bit... It's not pretty to look at. But come the end of the season, I bet you're going, listen, he's got us 20 goals, lads. Even the goal, Roy, even the goal he scored, it was like it was... unorthodox no but it was like really yeah it was like you're a striker it's like sifting wood in any it's like an old fashioned striker but I'm a little bit like I think at the end of last season with Arsenal you said okay you need a striker probably need to score more goals does Arteta need to not change but sort of alter it a bit in terms of maybe being a bit more on the front foot but even in the first two games where I've watched I don't think signing Jokka has wins you the league I think if Arsenal were to win the league it's still the two centre-backs and the goalie.

10:36I still think Arsenal's thing we're going to be the best team in this league defensively by the long way. But this is why, Jamie,

10:41Ian Wright: when people continually go on about how he scores against the lower-end teams and the mid-block, if he does that for us this season, we could do it. Because if that's what we're bringing, I don't think that's a slight on him. If that's what he does and we don't lose... It must have liked he took the penalties, but did you? That's another goal for a player. You know what I love? obviously we don't know him, we're getting to know him, aren't we? As a player, but also as a personality. I love the celebration. The hair and that. Because people have been saying in the first game... He touches his hair a lot.

11:13Ian Wright: Why does he do... He touches his hair a lot. I know, but what I'm saying is people said in the first game, didn't they, there was a stat, he touches his hair more than he touched the ball. So he's obviously seen it on social media. Do you think he's doing it more then? I was like... It's a nervous thing, obviously. But my worry from a Liverpool point of view with Arsenal is that if you think of last season, I think Arsenal's defence was just a bit better than Liverpool's, but Liverpool's attack was a lot better than Arsenal's. And if Arsenal's attack will improve, probably with Joaquin getting more goals, but also if the injuries aren't as bad, Saka, obviously, the games they missed last season.

11:49But I think Liverpool's defence could drop. You know, that match-up where last season...

11:56Ian Wright: But Liverpool's kind of balanced it. Are you always feeling like they're going to score two or three? It's only two games, but I still think Arsenal will be the best team in the league defensively. I don't think that will change. My worry is Liverpool might drop defensively because they've got almost more attacking options. They might drop. They have dropped. Well, it has, but it's two games. I agree with you, Roy. At the minute, you look at Van Dijk and the load. At the moment, I know it's only a few games. He looks... He was at Ments on Monday. Yeah, it's like if he's not in and around...

12:22Gary Neville: No, he was. You're going to say it's his job. Do you know something? I know, some big head-ups. Oh, it was so big. Just go back to where is it? Especially against Burnsy. When you talk about sort of breaks in life and you talked about obviously sort of at Millwall and QPR. Yeah. But Havertz, if Havertz doesn't get injured in training, he's gone to Tottenham, hasn't he? He's not... Sliding doors, bro. It's like unbelievable. That's the bit that I think when you think about a bit of luck or that little bit of something that happens in your life. How close was he? Did you mention how close he was going to Tottenham?

12:55Gary Neville: It was done. It was done to his litter.

12:58Ian Wright: It's only, you know, he's very God-fearing. You know, I know a lot of people would say, oh, here we go. But they genuinely believe that it's happened because it's meant to happen. You know how this works, right? They genuinely believe that that's why it's happened. That's why, like you say, when he walked out the tunnel and he looked...

13:12Gary Neville: Yeah.

13:14Ian Wright: You can feel it, he can't believe it. It's happened. And so... But that's a turn in life that you just think... That video you showed him. When he walks out there, imagine if he walked out to Old Trafford, he'd have a bigger smile, a bigger stadium. Would he? Would he? That video from Thierry on me, though, he was just so happy to get it, wasn't he? Because Thierry's the one, isn't it? Thierry's the one that they adore, all of them. It's a bit much all that stuff, don't it? It's just like the player signs for a club, videos of X players, like, really? The greatest player in our history, welcoming him into the club.

13:46Ian Wright: I think that's the thing. They just do the private thing. That's the thing I'm finding with United, that they've lost that. They have lost it, you're right. That's lost to something. They have lost it. Can you feel it? you know what it is Liverpool's still got there's a disconnection yeah there is a disconnection if you treat ex-players badly you know what I mean so there's some more stuff there's more stuff see that's the thing Arsenal don't do you need to FaceTime the new time I hear you Roy we'll do it one day we'll come on to Liverpool Arsenal

14:13Gary Neville: let's just touch on Liverpool Newcastle on Monday night oh what a game by the way one of the greatest games from your league history I did listen to you

14:23Ian Wright: you know something just quickly but you know I'm hoping that like United can get themselves back in a where we can see the Liverpool United thing again because it seems like Newcastle and Liverpool have got that thing now what United and Liverpool used to have signs are good for United you said last week didn't you when they got beaten we'll come on to

14:39Gary Neville: United let's deal with Newcastle you can have your moment did you know that was coming this episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing

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15:49Gary Neville: OK, Liverpool, Newcastle. Did we enjoy the game? Oh, what a game. Can I just say about Van Dijk, though, I think you've got to give him great credit that he didn't make a meal of that tackle. Usually they're rolling around the floor and everything.

16:04Ian Wright: No, I actually thought his ankle... No, he was lucky. I thought he was very lucky as well because the way his ankle went under, and he's falling... I thought that's what he was... Isn't football mad? Newcastle kicking Liverpool all over a player. It's getting stuck in. There's nothing wrong with that. I like that physicality side of the game. And then anyone touches any of the Newcastle players, they were like rolling around. And Gordon, a prime example. You look at Gordon, he falls over. And he's running on kicking everybody. And then apologising afterwards. I didn't mean it. What were you doing?

16:35Gary Neville: I think he apologised because he knew it was a really bad one. Of course it was a bad one. What's the point in apologising afterwards? It's a leg breaker, isn't it? It could have been because of the leg breaker. control of himself if Van Dijk's got his legs set there it's a leg breaker of course and the thing

16:50Ian Wright: when you heard him say you know what I mean he just wanted to build the atmosphere you don't need to build the atmosphere but I think it was interesting as the game started there was a banner in the crowd sort of get into them and it was could you feel it no but it was one of them games that I think it felt like a throwback to me before the game the game everything about it felt like something from the 90s that we'd played the football wasn't amazing and it wasn't about tactics or systems. It was just about everyone putting big challenges in. So I enjoyed it from that point of view, but I just think as clubs, you've always got to use something to maybe add a little bit of something to the game.

17:30Liverpool are going for Isaac. We know what it was about, but it went too far. I bannered in the club, get into them. I think there was someone who was part of the ownership of Newcastle put that on social media. Let's get into that. My point being is this game has built up and I've just said, use something like the Isaac situation to sort of add an extra edge. You get that. But I am sat there a little bit thinking, Liverpool have just made a bid for a player. What else is it? You know what I mean?

17:56Gary Neville: The amount of times Liverpool, Cara, to be fair, over the last 20, 30 years, will have used that type of sort of angst against them and got carried away and sort of like, you know. Say it, man. I'm saying that's what we would have done. You nearly took Mani's leg off in a game, you know what I mean? I know. But my point I'm trying to make is I'm not having a go at them for it. My point was, it did go too far. Too far. got sent off. Who took it too far? Newcastle. They end up losing a man. If they don't lose a man, they probably win the game. But as bad as Liverpool were, they stood up to all that stuff.

18:25And the beauty for Newcastle, listen, I love football because of the physicality. But these Newcastle lads are getting stuck in and they're appealing for every decision. And ironically, one gets sent off, two go off injured. So Liverpool also stood up to that side of it. That's why I give Liverpool credit. And they wrestled back to win the game. Liverpool could have easily had 2-2 going. this lads it's been a bad night we've thrown it away we'll take the point and move on we all felt there was another goal coming but even Newcastle would look at it and go maybe we should hook the draw so I'll give again credit to Liverpool they've started poorly in terms of their performances but they've scored four at home you can't keep that all season I get it look at Newcastle you go lads we're all up for it if you're up for it lads you've got to be up for the physical side of it ultimately I'd give all the applause to Liverpool you stood up to it you're up in Newcastle the record's fantastic anyway I thought to be fair I thought Liverpool were really poor.

19:15What a shock in. It's a sign of good. The manager puts a young kid on in a tight game like that. And that's the bravery. He'd done it last week with Chiesa. He comes on. So you need your players off the bench and he throws a young kid on going, do you know what? In a hostile atmosphere like that. They came up with the goods, James. No, they did.

19:31Ian Wright: Look at Zabuzla playing at right. You can see they targeted him. He was brilliant. But they'll improve, Jim. I think in terms of the manager, you think of since the manager's come in and you talk about, You always say this and you're right, Roy. Liverpool always score. There's only one Premier League game they haven't scored in. Going back to last season, Dotson and Forest. But I think where the manager showed real courage was when it went 2-2 and I think there was 11 minutes goes up and Newcastle getting cornered on throw and I'm sat there thinking, oh my God, imagine losing this game. And if you just probably said to me now, draw.

20:06Even though Liverpool had the extra manager gone, just take the point. But the manager, Yeah, when I think of how good the manager's been for Liverpool, his changes from the bench have been unbelievable. To bring, not just throw players on, not because he's a young lad, the size of them, I think it was Harvey Elliott and young Riyadh he'd bring on, the tiny, and you're thinking Newcastle, every time there's a long throw or a set piece, and you're thinking, oh my God, the ball's coming in. So it wasn't just bringing them on, because sometimes there probably is an element of luck, isn't it? It must be.

20:33Someone on, he scores, and it looks great for the manager, but to bring people on that size. But the satisfaction, sorry enough, the satisfaction of football, when you go into any match the dream is play really well and win but there's great satisfaction if you play badly and you win a game of football away from home so in the dressing room after a game obviously the manager will analyse it over the next few days and certain players are off and they're going look lads ultimately we look back at the end of the season if you're winning league titles we got over the line but you know the flip side of that and it goes back to Man United last week I always worry when a team lose playing well and people say if we play like that every week we'll be alright but you won't play like that every week if you don't win when you're playing well.

21:12Ironically, you mention United, but sometimes when... We'll come back to them. But at the same point, you play a certain team at home, Liverpool or Arsenal, you go, hey, they played really well and you're up for it. You're going, yeah, but the tough games then might be full of my way and now you have a good record. It's the other games that'll slip you up. You're going to be up for the big home games. It's the other games that can catch you.

21:29Gary Neville: There's a little thing building between you and Slot in the interviews, where obviously on Monday night you heard part of your interview at the end. Would you say that obviously everyone sees the game slightly differently but you do see the game from a defensive structural strength and you don't like it when Liverpool are a little bit all over the place and they go do you think he's looking at you and thinking no that's how I'm going to take it because I'd be thrilled if I was a Liverpool fan I've been calling out for this type of football for years get rid of methodical formulaic stuff I want to see teams do what they did on Monday night and Liverpool to be fair doing what they did against Bournemouth where they lose two goals then they come back do you think there's an element when you're speaking to him now that he knows how you see the game and he's going to take Liverpool down a route that maybe you don't quite agree with in the sense of because I look at Kirkhz and Fringpong and these full-backs they're not going to change these lads Not the fence of mine They're almost going to have to score three two, you know what I mean?

22:21I think what's interesting when you've got your own manager I think as supporters we all hang off every word he says in the press conference you're trying to pick something up or read between the lines and I think I always picked up even when Liverpool had won the league Slott kept saying every game we had we only won by one goal almost like every game had to go to 90 minutes and he made the point of saying in the past when City were winning leagues sometimes the game was over after an hour so it already tells you in his head even though Liverpool have only not scored in one game in the Premier League since it's been there he's thinking I want more goals I want more I want this game over after an hour or 70 minutes and that's just stuck in my head and you see the players that they brought in in the summer and right now the balance isn't right in the team I don't think and I think what Liverpool had last season which is why they won the league was if you remember Klopp's teams when he first came in and maybe at the end it was a bit mad end to end but he got it perfectly right the balance in the middle when Liverpool for two or three years were fantastic and I felt Slott took a Jurgen Klopp team and took that sort of end to end stuff out of it last season it was a bit more I think I used to hear you say it's a little bit like Man United he'll play sick sometimes he'll drop off sometimes he'll press sometimes he'll do different things and I do find it fascinating that he's almost because I thought that was him almost getting older this Klopp team and going slow down we don't need to be playing that high up the pitch we don't need to be running all over the place but it feels a little bit like Klopp this season in terms of the community she is a lot more animated this season no a lot more so that the game is end to end and exciting but you might be right and that might be where he wants to take the team because on the back I thought it was almost the opposite, that he just got hold of the club team a little bit and was a bit like, we don't need to be pressing all over the pitch, we don't need to be a high line.

24:15But it does feel like he wants more attacking quality in the team. And listen, I'm always worried when, at the moment, Liverpool might be described as the most entertaining team in the league. So the first game's 4-2, the game on Monday's an amazing game. I always worry if someone describes my team as the most entertaining. I'd call that was Tottenham last season. I don't want that.

24:38Gary Neville: It's given Tottenham five. No, you can be the most entertaining team and win leagues. No, I can. Entertaining as in both teams can score. Not your team is just entertaining. But that's not entertainment. Not when Liverpool are giving up chances. You could look at Liverpool and go, I'll give them all the thumbs up and be going, but you need a centre-half. You can't keep defending like that. Because ultimately with Arsenal getting stronger, you will be caught out. So it's well and good to entertain him, but not be giving up that many chances. I think he must look with his staff and go, So, listen, a bit of gung-ho, that's part of football.

25:07And if we win 4-2 every week, everyone would be happy. But ultimately, we went on about Chapman's League and the bigger prizes or whatever. But they need to send out. Do you think they'll get Gehe? I think they'll get...

25:16Ian Wright: They'll probably... Listen, they may do. Because Palace have put in... Should they prioritise... Because I think that's already the defence... The defence at Liverpool is more important right now. I know that Eketike started well. We don't know how he's going to pan out. But surely, if you shore up that end, then you go and get Eketike. The thing with the centre-back fight here is, you bring in a body, you know, you say, listen, Canati's not playing well, you bring a centre-back. But that doesn't change the structure of the team because that centre-back's just taking his place. Yeah, but he'd be a better defender than him, Jamie.

25:47No, but he'd be a better defender than him, Jamie. If you're going to leave people one-on-one. I'm not the biggest fan in the world of Canati. I've heard Liverpool fans so much from last year, and I'm thinking, whoa, whoa, whoa. When you talk about partnerships at the back, Saliba and Gabriel's a partnership. Liverpool don't really have a partnership because they've got one fellow doing a lot of heavy lifting and that's not just with Canati, that was with Gomez and Mata. I've been saying this for years, Liverpool isn't a partnership, it's Veja Van Dijk. If they're going to play more attacking,

26:13Gary Neville: they can play with two defenders who can defend one-on-one on counter-attacks. And Gary, that's the whole point they signed Canati three years ago. Trent Alexander-Arnold, the pitch, that's his big strength, getting across. So what about the balance sheet? Would it be a bit off with a left footer? Does that matter? You think Van Dijk's front of the leaders? No, I think Van Dijk's always been on the left foot. What you're saying, that's Canati's strength. It's not that. His players are being really poorly. If Gay and Van Dijk are there, look, he's not playing well at the moment. He's lost his confidence, Canate.

26:35Gary Neville: But if Gay is a better one-on-one defender at the moment than Canate, at least then they can be as attacking as they are and they'll deal with those counter-attacks better. Because if you think about the goal that Bournemouth scored, the lad was one-on-one at Canate. Gay might have gone and took it off him. I agree with you. It's been shocking. I've said that. I've said that. But I'm not the biggest fan of Canate. But his one big strength is what you're saying. He's lost something, hasn't he? He's not playing well. It's two games. The point I'm trying to make is the whole reason Liverpool boards me because you've got unbelievable recovery pace to get into those channels to cover Trent Alexander-Arnold.

27:05But if you remember on this show last year, I said Liverpool need a left-back, a number 10, and a centre-forward to go into the team. So every player, and they've got a right-back because we didn't know Trent was leaving then, but every player that's been brought in is more attacking. So Kirkhaz is more attacking than probably Andy Robertson. Frimpong is actually more attacking than Trent, and that he overlaps. Trent was almost coming to midfield. The number 10 position, and Sobosle was more of a worker, number 10, you know, a grafter. But this Viet is an attacking player who wants to get on the ball.

27:36So every player is more forward-thinking. I think that's probably also one of the reasons why... Because at the minute... Yeah, he's found it tough the first two games. I mean, your first away game in an atmosphere like that. I mean, I don't think you're probably playing another away game like that with that physicality, to be fair, will be tough. But listen, you know, the eyes will be on him. He's a lot of money, isn't he? but if you're a club at Liverpool you're on about Canati having a difficult but surely a manager's job like there's somebody out there I think is better and you're saying he's had two or three a tough start in six months Simon you'd have thought yeah the signs were there we should have moved him on that's the gamble you might take if someone's better out there you try and go and get him but Crystal Palace have gone for Akanji haven't they which is not a sign that he's on his way out I think he's a great player he'd be a great sign in for Palace because Liverpool

28:25Ian Wright: when's the last time Liverpool played with a number 10 do you think it's going to take some time for them to get used to a proper because he's a number 10 was it Coutinho yeah Coutinho was that type of player Stevie played off of Torres when you think of Liverpool's success under Klopp that came after Coutinho moving on so they had a very workman like midfield last season was a workman like midfield so Bosley even though Klopp didn't play with a number 10 Liverpool did last season with Sir Bosley but he wasn't he wasn't Cole Palmer he wasn't Kevin De Bruyne he wasn't Odegaard he wasn't that type so Liverpool wanted that type but they have lost something in terms of maybe he used to cover a lot for Salah don't forget getting across because Salah doesn't really run back so at the moment there's things that need the difference between Liverpool last year obviously Liverpool now are the champions they've spent a lot of money last year they were on that radar start the season nobody talking about them now we're saying if Liverpool listen the sign is when you win the league it's fantastic but when they last won it they didn't defend it that well so that extra pressure on Liverpool now going see what kind of champions you really are it's very early are you worried about the full back areas?

29:25Yeah. I mean, I think not so much as in like, more that two fullbacks who looks like they just really want to bomb on on the outside. And I think sometimes, I mentioned this on Monday Night Football, Trent, on here we talk about him every week, the Trent slot. We'll have the Trent slot now. And we used to talk about him being poor defensively, 1v1. But what he did actually do was, if you actually think of Trent as a player, he very rarely overlapped. he never overlapped he was always behind so if the ball ever sort of broke down he was always in a position to stop or a counter attack whereas now you've got two full backs going that's it it's just they can get a lot more when I see a full back not look at the head of the ball and they're just trying to

30:12Gary Neville: he's had the first the first two games for Kirk has been tough haven't they been very tough it'd be interesting if Andy Robertson comes in again fast you know you're on about one for a big I'm on about basic stuff that's just defending across we're talking about you're going to a new club different system you're going No, that's just defending a cross.

30:25Ian Wright: It's funny because when you watch him, when you watch him, people don't understand when you say, yeah, but we'll see when he's a different club, bigger club, more pressure. And in two games, I'm seeing the kind of mistakes and the kind of like, not just the mistakes, but the nervousness of him. I never saw that at all. And so this is, again, when players move to a club of stature, this is something that they got, they got to get over that quickly and realise this is another level. I've got to go to that next level. We are only two games in, though, as well. Do you not think we're like... No, no, no.

30:57Ian Wright: ...to shoot? Yeah, to shoot. Sorry, you considered three games. But the thing is, that's the start. You'd have thought that you would have started well because you're good enough, and then it might fade off a little bit as it goes on when the pressure builds. But for it to be like that right from the start, you're thinking, well, you're probably going to... You're probably going to try and get... Do you know what happens to these lads, though, who are trying to sell into a club and you're finding their way when you're winning a few games? I know we're highlighting this, and that's what we do, but generally speaking, when a lad goes to a club, if you're winning a few games going, that'll settle down.

31:26If you're losing these games or you want picking up the maximum points, you'd be going, you'd be really pointing things at lads. But while you're getting the results, you go, listen, I know you're settling in, but get up to speed quickly. While we're winning, yeah,

31:36Gary Neville: you're kind of getting away with it. If we start losing a few games. Do you think he would have been angry with them at the end of the game? Happy with the result and the resilience, but do you think he would have said to them, we've got to play? Do you think he would have had a few words with them? Surely they judged the performance though, do you know what I mean like each week no matter what the result is you go into the analysis room and you go through what went well I'd be surprised if you went after them Jill no not after them but I'm sure there's elements of the performance where they're like this needs to be better I said after the game obviously doing the show Newcastle's dressing room will be devastated but when they come into the training round over the next couple of days I think there will be a feeling of alright we did alright there I think Liverpool the opposite a little bit I thought Gimmaras was unbelievable I know he's a bit all over the place but he was, I mean, seriously, what a performance that was.

32:22Yeah. Newcastle were excellent. But they've got to take confidence from that. That's the worst feeling when you feel you've done well but again, I go back after a game, whose dressing room would you rather be in? You'd rather win the game. Well, that's what the game's about. That's what the game's about.

32:37Gary Neville: It's one of the best performances. You talked on air last year about Arsenal away at City when they had a man sent off. Was it last year? And we said they sat back, was it last year or the year before? but they sat right the way back and they didn't even attack but you think about how they played with 10 men that's one of the best performances I've ever seen with 10 men Brilliant, but you know when I got to I get that but when I got to 2-2 and it's on Monday night it's on TV and different sorts of energy but when it does get to 2-2 and you're looking going why can't Newcastle all of a sudden go this is a great point for us Yeah Like this gung-ho stuff because when the goal comes I know there's a couple of nice neat passes from Liverpool and before you know it's tree on tree Yeah That shouldn't happen if you don't have to 10 men There's a bit of arrogance with that and obviously we give Eddie Hill credit for it I think it's the momentum right now.

33:17Yeah. But also, you have to use your footballing brain. As if Liverpool aren't going to create a chance. Two or three midfield players, I think we highlighted it. They were thinking, if we win this, we're off. So three midfield players jump on gravity, they get the ball away. And that was the first time. Imagine if Newcastle, with ten men,

33:33Ian Wright: come out and beat Liverpool, the champions, that would have given them so much confidence going forward. I would have went for it if I was. We've all played in them games. You're on about momentum. Momentum is a huge word in sport. But I played midfield, you're defenders. and whenever the fans are up for it you need someone to go I know everyone else is up for it but hey you know about Trent full-back let our attacking players go and win the game but make sure whatever we happens we don't give anything else up so it was a bit naive you know what I'd say it was mayhem though

34:00Gary Neville: they weren't thinking like that mayhem's not a good thing to have if you're a professional football sometimes you've got to go let the fans go let the fans go and that had gone back into the game really I think the mayhem I think the mayhem had gone back where they were I just don't think they could change at that point you know what we're talking about Liverpool defensively and rightly so I know this is going to sound stupid because they've scored a lot of goals I don't actually think they're attacking players being out of the ordinary I know they've scored a lot of goals but what I'm saying is the second half worried me with the ball I could understand the first half not being great 11 v 11 but it's Newcastle away we've been there the atmosphere tackles are flying in you're under pressure we've all been there famously when I think Hughes went there and got an unbelievable win when he was won a league in mid-19 you're under pressure the atmosphere is yeah we went to Newcastle the atmosphere is amazing the bigger worry for me was Liverpool playing against 10 men with the ball second half I don't think Liverpool had a shot they didn't know what to do from the goal in the second half to the last well the two goals in the second half I don't think Liverpool had a shot a goal in between playing against 10 men they couldn't keep them off I know I want to repeat myself here again but again I go back to it when you're on the bus or the flight on the way back and you've not played that well and there's loads of things that you'll analyse and we're new players at your club, but you win the game.

35:15Yeah, but I can't see where Liverpool are going to get better. Someone's like, my tactics are going, shut up, I'm doing it. You're playing cards, you owe me£20.

35:24Ian Wright: Wasn't it worrying that Liverpool couldn't with ten men, a nice Newcastle, a nice raucous atmosphere, they couldn't keep them off them by keeping the ball moving it about with 11 men? But that can happen in Newcastle. We've just said, we've all been there, we've done it, we've been at the ground. Do you ever have them moments where you look at the manager and you think, I will go in for it or I will stay in. And they don't really know neither.

35:45Gary Neville: I don't think I've ever played a game where the manager said, sit back or I'm trying to affect last. I think once the momentum of the game was swung with you, you're just going for it. The one thing I think does change, the manager makes substitutions. If a manager brings on two defensive midfield players or an extra, then he's telling you that basically. But actually, that very rarely happened. If we were coming back in a game to 2-2, you said then, I think we'd have got carried away at the end coming back to 2-2. I think we'd have carried on you know what I mean and risked losing you know what I mean I think we would I don't think if the momentum's going we're just going I don't think we ever checked and went okay let's sit back a bit now we're 2-2 I remember a game that has to come from the side

36:25Ian Wright: though surely I always think of that game where you I don't know who you were playing then where Man City United 6-1 are Old Trafford yeah and I'm saying I think Johnny Evans

36:38Gary Neville: got sent off yeah but I think he's got it back to 3-1 and sort of like When you kept going and the game I wasn't involved I was going No Not a 6-1 We lost 5-1 at Newcastle Did you play in that? I didn't go in Oh was that the one winning? Did you play You were against Ginola Ginola was the man of the matter Why weren't you then? That was a tight end That was the thing where the defenders

36:59Ian Wright: chipped Schmeichel right? Yeah Albert What year was that? I think I was out of my cruise 97

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38:08Gary Neville: Arsenal, Sunday. Let's talk about Max Downman first. 15-year-old. It's a great story behind that, isn't it? Have you seen his journey? It's a lovely journey.

38:19Ian Wright: The thing with Max Downman, when you speak to the guys in the team, they are just flabber... You all right there, gal? Who is it? Who is it? Is it your team?

38:31Gary Neville: Answer it. Is that your mum? No, it's a guy. I'll speak to him later. A guy? It's just a guy. It's just a guy. I'm so sorry. that doesn't work if that was someone else now they'd be sad

38:42Ian Wright: the story's gone I was going to say you should say about Max Dallman no what I was going to say is with the guys and what they say about him you know with the managers and remember we're talking about a 15 year old in the first team and we heard about 13 playing for the under 18s 14 playing for the under 21s it's the it's the ability to take on the information that they are they can't believe it it's like oh you want us to do this and want me to do that and go bam and you think that's when when you hear It's like Declan Rice say, I can't believe it. He can just take it. And this is why he's...

39:11Ian Wright: Don't you see, when he plays, he comes on, he's going straight for you. He's fearless. I don't know if that's just because of his child, his exuberance of youth. The game was over, to be fair. It was over, but he's still going at a man. He's got that little trick as well, all the arsehole players. You know, when they're touched and they're kind of... That little... My son. That Windsor Leagues.

39:32Gary Neville: Right, I'll talk to you about Tim's. Obviously, we saw a glimpse of him. I saw a glimpse of him the first time for 20 minutes. he looked really graceful in his movement and he obviously can sort of, he's got a good balance, good strength on him as well. What's his, is he a big goal scorer at youth level? What is he?

39:45Ian Wright: No, no, no, he's very creative, scores a lot of good goals obviously, but very creative, scores good goals, you know, everything that you need. And that's his best position, No, I think so, coming off of there, but I think that he's somebody that, once he gets into the first team now, hopefully he can score a few goals and that will be his major, oh Jesus, look at this guy's face. I'm not sure, I'm not sure, I mean, I'm not sure by it. Once this guy, if he starts scoring, that's what he does. Gets in a box, gets penalty. He gets half a yard, doesn't he? I can't get my head around the kid who's 15.

40:13Yeah. 15 years of age. I can't remember what I was doing. I've seen Wayne Rooney and Jamie Redknapp. You're digging me out again. Because their kids have played against them and they said that they're spotted straight away. Their kids have played against them. I think Jamie Redknapp and Wayne Rooney have said straight away, who's that kid?

40:30Ian Wright: Would he draw him on an Anfield? Would he do something as brave as that? I think that he'll get some minutes at Anfield. You think so? Towards the end, if it's going... Why wouldn't you put a 15-year-old on at Anfield? If you can, especially if you're winning or something. It's a big occasion, though, isn't it? And the fact is, if he's good enough to be there now, you can't just be good enough to be there against Leeds when you're 4-0 up. If you're good enough to be in the first team, that means you're in the first... Is there another thing about protecting him a little bit, though, as well, right?

41:01Ian Wright: He's so young. Yeah, but that's the thing. It's the same with Ethan. Ethan, you know what I mean? Obviously, he was younger, wasn't he, apparently? He was 15 as well. But, like, the main thing with him is, is that because they're good enough to be in there, and, like, Ethan, obviously, they're talking about his contract. They obviously signed it now. But then he would have been thinking, well, I've made my debut. When am I going to get it? And he's come on, come out, come in, come in. So, yeah, he's got to go through that phase of, is it going to happen for me? And then, you know, I've got to buckle down and get myself in.

41:29Ian Wright: Because he's still very young. And I think Max will probably be the same. but depending on how good he is in respects of what we've seen talent-wise, that's what we're going to see if he's going to play in certain games. It wouldn't surprise me. Do you think what we were playing when we were 15, the levels we were playing, these lads are playing in the Premier League. And he understands the intricacies of someone like Mick. I was waiting to drink cider. I remember he said he was drinking cider. Colin Harvey saw him where he was drinking cider. I remember making my debut in the women's team around 15 and I was waiting to come on and I was shitting myself.

42:02And I remember one of the players looking over and going, why are you bringing her on? She's fucking shit. And I was already so scared. I was just this little skinny thing coming on. But you know what? I was like, I'm just going to work my arse off. I'll run for everything, just do everything. But you're playing with like 30-odd-year-olds, like double your age. It was quite boring.

42:24Ian Wright: No, no, he's a special girl, I think.

42:26Gary Neville: City, starting with a goalkeeper. come to you, Jill, first. You know what? Trafford, Edison, and there's talk of Donnarumma, obviously. Where are you at on it? I heard someone doing an interview the other day and they're like, should they drop Trafford because of that mistake? But I'm like, you can't drop them for something. The manager's obviously asking them to do that and, yeah, he makes a mistake. But is he asking them to do that? Yeah, definitely. Them patterns of play. Obviously, I know it was the wrong side of the player. And if the guy's right on top of it. But they do want to play under that pressure.

42:54Like, when we played, we played the same system and it was like they wanted to play them balls into there. But I think to drop him would be so harsh. He's got to go through them mistakes in order to get better. It's seeing the patterns. You can't drop him. The only thing I'd say, Jill, is I agree with that when a young player in any position, but especially a centre-back and goalkeeper, they're going to make mistakes. I get that. But you almost want them to make the mistake. Man City can't afford... Keepers make mistakes, I get that. but Man City can't afford to like oh this is our project am I going to stick with them for the next two or three months and he's making mistakes and before you know the 10 points behind in the title the stakes are too high and that's why I think when we talk about young centre-backs and young goalkeepers playing for the biggest clubs it's tough it's tough to have that opportunity

43:43Gary Neville: How many young goalkeepers have succeeded from the very beginning at a top club in the last 10-15 years I mean There hasn't been many given the opportunity as for Man City was he? Maybe But people are talking Did you see Arsenal Madrid? When he came to United, maybe. No, he's not old at all. How old's Trafford now? Well, you know what big he is. Yeah. But you know... He's 22. I make the point. How many times has he been talking? Lads, where do you draw the line when you say, well, the manager wants him to play that way? I've played midfield and I'd come back and try and get the ball. But I don't say, there's someone too near me.

44:14Just miss me out. Yeah. But I feel like... And the manager, we all get instructions off the manager, but sometimes it's like Liverpool nuka. decision making on the time of the situation in the game someone's under pressure he's having to have I'm just going to miss him is that on the manager you go I've got to make my football is about decision making you look scared no I like Trafford do you know I'd say with Trafford my costume

44:34Ian Wright: well only because when you watch that incident Trafford looks scared in that moment Trafford in respect that's my point right he looks scared simply because the manager obviously wants him to play like that and he was thinking I should launch then everyone's closing in before he's passed it into the manager I think as the manager I'm with Roy a little bit

44:56Gary Neville: sticking on that point for a second sometimes I just look at sometimes the body language of a goalkeeper and I think about presence I think about authority I think about that fear that little bit of fear in their eyes and look he's a young goalkeeper and he's obviously had some who would you play now no I'm just starting with a young kid in terms of it's a massive ask now that pressure will be building on him already for the next few games and I look at him and I just think he realises how big this is for him and it's as if he's basically in there I can see it in his face and his eyes a little bit that little bit of just that intrepidation on him and I'm thinking I feel for keepers when they're like that I do and as I look at them I think are you quite ready for this we know you're ready for the Premier League we know you're going to be a fantastic goalkeeper you know you might be Manchester City number one for ten years but right now is he ready for this but when's the perfect time for a keeper City are under the pressure now they've got new players in again we're talking about two games into the season they win the first game I love this body language when we did the first game.

45:51He made one or two good saves. He had nice moments, nice presence about him. I'd stick with the kid. Remember, he's had setbacks already before. He left Man City. He's gone away. He's been out. I know, he's had some football. That's part of your journey. I've seen him another couple of games. Everyone's got a journey. Absolutely. But the other option is, who do you go back to?

46:09Gary Neville: I would stick with him, but I fear that we could end up with a situation over the next few months where it could get a little bit on top for him. The challenge for any goalkeeper, which is not a great goalkeeper, Peter Schmeich have made loads of mistakes it's what you do after the mistake it's the presence give the kid a chance my only argument and I just don't mean with Trafford when people say the manager wants us to play that way what the manager wants when a midfielder's coming to you he's coming kind of straight at you he's not even giving you a good angle okay you give a bad pass that's your decision where you go I'm going long and even if Pep gives out you you're going I know Pep I'll take that I'll take the stick but I just didn't feel it was the right ball your decision making will define you as a footballer but people are saying about Donnarumma coming in like he's not he's not a ball playing goalkeeper do you know what I mean well if he does so but I think you have to stick with him even after that mistake but you look at last year whatever with the goalkeepers I think Man City have lost a habit as well by the way whatever you say about Spurs you don't feel Man City are going to win big games anymore they didn't seem to win big games last year so that's not on the goalkeeper he didn't look like scoring did he yeah it wasn't just down to him when people say about the goalkeepers being good with their feet and I'm going to ask you all the same question to put these three things in priority for goalkeepers Dominating your box, being a brilliant shot stopper and keeping goals out that you think that maybe would have gone in and then being good with your feet.

47:25Gary Neville: Right? One, two, three, priority those for me in terms of where the actual negotiable is. If you said that you basically have any two of those, what would it be? Shot stopper and dominate box feet. Absolutely. So my point is, people say he's great with his feet. My point is, if you're playing for the top clubs, you have to have them first two nailed. You have to dominate your box or else you've got a massive problem and you have to be brilliant at keeping the ball out of your net. Does personality come into that now? Yeah, but I think dominating your box is that, for me, it's like by end here on corners.

47:54Gary Neville: It's that keeper that basically you just see, they just get everyone out of the way and it's that domination. And then the third thing about being good with your feet, that's the thing surely we can compromise on. To me, there's good keepers who are brilliant with their feet, but they haven't got these two and they're being put into these top teams where they're good with their feet, but they actually can't do this and this. I don't think it's necessarily being amazing with your feet. It's not being all... Shocking, I get that. That's a big problem. None of them are awful. I said this last year on Sky and I think I was talking about England goalkeepers but I do think when I look at the league and it's not just on the back of these first two weekends I think the standard of goalkeeping in the Premier League is horrendous.

48:30I think it's as bad as it's probably ever been. Raya is the best at the moment. I'd say Raya and Alisson I think are a level above everyone. I mean maybe I don't know who comes next maybe Martinez but I'm not he makes mistakes for me. it is so poor and listen Jordan Pickford is rightly England's number one no doubt about it I don't think there's anyone really close to him he's a brilliant goalkeeper for Everton but when I think of like the England goalkeeper he's been basically playing for a team he's been fighting relegation for like the last sort of three or four years you know so even in this country I don't think it's great but actually the whole sort of goalkeeping union whatever you want to call them I think it's so bad the amount of goals that go in and there's a thing now listen we're pundits but you have goalkeeping pundits now as well who come on and the last couple of weeks there's been a couple on shows and they know more about goalkeepers than us of course they do the technicalities the small details but when you're watching a goalkeeper just make a horrendous mistake and then you've got a goalkeeper trying to tell you that it was or it wasn't and you're just like no I don't care it's just bad that is bad you know the goalkeeper for Man United against Arsenal or the Chelsea goalkeeper a goalie of the day I'm like no that Pacantin one why did he go with that hand it's like if I want to hit you I'll go with my left

49:51Gary Neville: two or three years ago and I said that I'd mentioned Raya to someone at United I'd watched him quite a bit for Brentford I thought he looked a good goalkeeper and they said oh he's not good enough with his feet the person I spoke to at United at that time said have you looked at Raya and he said I know who it was I told him at the time but he's not good enough with his feet and I thought are you doing his goat No, it was just, I was talking to him, I do before a game sometimes, three years, and I'm thinking, right, watch Raya a lot, he's pretty good, and you're thinking, he saves a lot of shots, he's quite good at dominating his box, he's quite brave, and he said, no, he's not good enough with his feet,

50:25Ian Wright: I thought, the United guy said that. But he is good with his feet.

50:29Gary Neville: At the time. It was a groundsman he was not. It wasn't, unfortunately.

50:35Ian Wright: You just mentioned De Gea there. It's probably my brother. And since De Gea, they've been trying to get this goal. Talk of bringing De Gea back,

50:41Gary Neville: that's not a consideration is it you know what I heard that it was mentioned the grungeman again

50:47Ian Wright: who are you you know something if you're talking about Bayon D 'Or Bayon D 'Or and Anana I would bring I would bring De Gea back you know they moved De Gea because of like his feet or whatever it is look what's happening his hands weren't great I'm serious better than these two better than these two you know what I mean for many years as well I think we're keepers there's only There's only really Edison who's like, unbelievable with his feet. He could play out. As long as keepers don't panic, they're basically playing the ball to the full-backs. The odd chip somewhere has it. It's about not being horrendous.

51:25The stats are unbelievable.

51:26Gary Neville: Keepers with their touches, isn't it, now? It's all with their feet, of course. They're passing it back to the keeper all the time. Even Leeds in the first 20 minutes of the game at Arsenal the other day, they're passing it back to the keeper all the time. It goes from throwing up here and attacking half, but I know back with the keeper do United need like do United need to do a piece of business in goal in the next couple of days yeah

51:46Ian Wright: of course yeah without a doubt have you seen these two are you asking a trick question

51:53Gary Neville: I'm a journalist Ian I'm asking you a question

51:57Ian Wright: United

51:57Gary Neville: I think as soon as you see as soon as you see with his groundsman no it's not worse if you're a player and you're defenders particularly and you're worried about your keeper all the time even though we've seen Liverpool give no chap It's nerve-wracking. It's already given up a chance but you're going, we don't see keepers getting their teams out of jail anymore. Honestly. On this Donnarumma story, going back to City, because obviously if they sign him, then Trafford's obviously going to be on the bench. I always say Manchester City should stick with James Trafford, not bring the PSG lad in.

52:26Ian Wright: Of course, because he's got to get through moments like this. I think Pep will stay with him. I think he'll stick with him. And he should stick with him because he needs to get through this because if he does, he'll be fine. Trafford's not winning the league. No chance. But when... Don't say he's not winning things with kids. Well, maybe they need to do the best homekeeper. James, are you saying you're not winning things with kids? I've heard that line. I would love... We beat them.

52:55Ian Wright: I'd love Trafford to get a chance, because I'm not just saying it, but watching him, I just felt like he was a bit rattled by it. So he needs to get through that. I think City just need a little bit of time. Obviously, they've got new signings. I think it was the youngest team that fielded since like 2010 or something. I don't want to hear that too. I don't care about it. No, but the way that the play is like, it's all about structure and patterns that these players need time to like, and I know you're saying they don't have it, they don't have time, but they need it. I get if like a manager's at the start, like a new manager's coming, let's say it was Armourham and you're sort of trying to build this young team.

53:31Pep's won lots. He's only here for another two years. He's not thinking of projects or giving these players time. He's thinking, I want to get out of him another two leagues or at least one league in a Champions League. I don't think he's waiting for any young players there. But I mean, like, the new players like Ryan, Ders, Schersky, like, I think they need a little bit of time. No, of course. Why are you doing that? 22.

53:50Ian Wright: Yeah. I think you're right, Jill, with City. Have they got the patience to wait for, I don't know, the front three Harland. But they've bought him back for£20 million, by the way. Do you bring a keeper back for that much? I was just talking about them as a... have they got the patience to wait for them to kick in like a Sane Sterling and De Bruyne have kicked in have they got the patience to wait for that to happen their midfield to get going Rodri to get in and be solid and something talking about selling a can I don't know what's what was everyone saying after the Wolves game everyone was saying City are back City are back Tottenham were brilliant fair play two years ago winning league titles now it's projects young goalkeepers get Ange in get Ange get Ange for us to Fogger in let him sort this out Two games in.

54:33Two games in. I'm going to go sack him. Two games in. Did you see the bench, though? City's bench. Fordham, Rodri, Silva, Doku. Like, I'm not worried. I'm actually not worried. I think Tottenham were brilliant. You love a good bench, don't you, Jill? Yeah, because I sat in it half the time.

54:50Gary Neville: This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing. Right, United, the moment that, Ian, you've been waiting for.

54:57Ian Wright: What are you talking about? Oh, United is so frustrating. You know what? I watch it. and I feel sorry for you guys. Like, first 10 minutes, I was like, oh, they're brilliant, Cunha, the chances, everything. And then they're just... It's like they've got no resilience. Like, they miss a chance or something and they're just so frustrated.

55:16Gary Neville: If we just pick on some specific issues that I highlighted from Saturday. I think, obviously, Bruno, in terms of the penalties, a big moment. With the referee. And then with the referee. He came out after half-time and he was still going on about it with the referee. And he obviously, after the game, said he wanted an apology from the referee. I think that was a bad moment for Bruno, for me. It's a terrible moment. Because I think that... What, missing the penalty? I'm mourning about it. No, forget the penalty. I'm not bothered about him missing the penalty. Right, yeah, okay, just bitter on. What I'm saying is that he let it impact him as badly as he did during the game.

55:48Ian Wright: Can I say something? When you look at the incident, right, he's put the ball down when I watched it and he's just walking back. The referee's done something and he's walking that way. He's not like walking towards... He's walking like that way. So then Roy, as he's walking that way, he's gone bam. And remember, Bruno's going... And then the way he looked at him, I thought, his daggers, it was like...

56:08Gary Neville: And I thought, I can't... But he didn't let it go right now. He didn't let it go for the whole game. Yeah, but then if you said he came out as well,

56:13Ian Wright: I couldn't believe, and I've had many times when I could hold on to something, but you let it... I could not believe he held on to something so long. No, that's not good. Yeah, you can't hold on to something like that. And you know, I gave that man a lot of flowers, bro. That was crazy. What I was watching. And you're in sport. But things happen all the time. Like, someone whacks into you, redo your process. When he pulled the referee, the referee said, what are you talking about? I was just walking round.

56:37Gary Neville: It is a shock when he misses a penalty, doesn't it?

56:39Ian Wright: When he misses over the bar.

56:41Gary Neville: To be fair, it came into my ear actually during the game. I think since he's come into the Premier League, he's missed more penalties than anybody else. Is that right? Yeah, someone else with him. It's about seven or eight or something like that in five years or six years. There's someone else with him, I think, that's missed.

56:55Ian Wright: When he's going to take one, when he puts it, Do you feel like someone like Harry Kane? If Harry Kane puts it down, I'm saying goal. I'm the same with Bruno a bit. With Bruno. I was quite fancy. When I saw that one, I was shocked. I was shocked it went over. The thing with Bruno for me is, and he's obviously miles away, Manchester United's best player last season, he's not a centre-field player. I don't get this centre-field thing. Where are you playing? He's obviously one of the board players for there. I get that. So the plan must be to play in centre midfield. I think when Amarun first came in, he almost wanted Bruno everywhere because he had no players who could get on the ball in the middle of the pitch.

57:33But he wanted them higher up for his goals and assists. So he's caught in between. But he's obviously gone out and brought Cunyar and Buemo to play those positions. And Mount's come into that role now. Mount's doing well as well. But Bruno in centre midfield with Casemiro, that's just like, that's never been a centre midfield. It's just, I don't get it. I don't understand. he's the best player I get that but where do you play him what are you going to do with him going forward he can't be centrimony there's all these other traits he has listen I've been critical of him over the last year or two I think them traits he's not going to change now is he what age is he he's not going to get rid of them traits he can get angry

58:08Ian Wright: over a referee's city thing like that of course he's not going to change yeah but we see too much of that we saw him at Liverpool last year we see the arms even against Arsenal the first game of the season he gives the ball away a little ball in the box that leads to the goal for the corner little details where you're going Bruno your leadership skills last week I know people say penalties but don't let it upset you going into the second half or I've heard stuff again not the people you've contacts with the grounds but Bruno's upset with something he carries it on for the week people might think I was at an arcy git but if something happened I would move on quickly enough you wouldn't let it interfere with your performances you might be upset with somebody so all these little traits technical stuff I think is brilliant I've said it before I saw a little clip in pre-season United played Everton pre-season I know people it's only a pre-season game one of the goals they give away against Everton he's trying to make somebody in the halfway line and then there's a tackle and he's arguing and Everton go and score but you see the guy scoring and Bruno's arguing on the halfway line have you seen the goal anyone seen that goal so they're arguing while the goal's going in so I know it's pre-season but if he's your captain or your senior player or one of your leaders these are not good traits yeah I think

59:17Gary Neville: on Sunday also to be fair when Smith-Rowe makes the run off the back of him as well on the goal But things like that can happen in football. I thought it was Paul David Ronson. Yeah, but track your runners is basic. What about the manager changing the back? I know it's only five minutes to go, but what about the manager changing? I mean, substitutions in general, because I think in both weeks that we've seen, the team seems to have got worse as the substitutes have been made. But taking off back players, the back... So taking Yorow off and Shaw off with five minutes to go, why would that... I don't understand that.

59:45Gary Neville: But he got it last year. And last week again. It starts with the whole back three change when he brought Maguire on for Shaw. but is there an explanation as to why you changed your back three? The madness sometimes they're bringing Maguire on to get your goal. And he nearly got one. And he nearly got one from the set piece. So you're now Man United you've spent hundreds of millions on attacking players and you're saying to Maguire get warmed up you're going up front hit the big man hit George Arden. You know what I mean I was a centre back I was a centre back and it's probably one of those positions when you start a game you know you're not coming off.

1:00:19Yeah you don't usually come off. if you've come off as a centre something feels something's really bad yeah it doesn't feel right bringing centre I'm not saying it should never happen but the point I'm trying to make is you bring a centre it doesn't feel something doesn't feel right about does that make you doubt the manager a little bit do you say I'm saying you're trying to win the game there must be something in it there must be some thought process whether it's energy I can't understand bringing Harry Maguire on if you're going okay we've got a back three we bring Maguire on maybe he's going to give us more of a chance of a goal from a set piece I get that and they nearly get that but you said this happens a lot and he'd done two of them in the back three as well.

1:00:52Gary Neville: Well, three of the back five changed if you hear about it because he took Ahmad off for Dallow. He took Yoro off and he took Shaw off. He brought Heaven and Maguire on if you remember in the last five minutes. He brought Heaven and Maguire on. So, all right, maybe the Maguire one, you've made a good point. He can get a goal so maybe put him on for something. But then Heaven... Not every week. You can't be every week looking to bring Maguire on to get you out of jail. No, but that's my point. I think when you're changing your back line, regularly. I think Ten Hag did it for quite a bit as well, didn't he?

1:01:21Gary Neville: When he changed his backline and may substitute, I think you're all over the place a little bit when your backline's changing. And you've also got your goalkeeper issue anyway, which obviously we've discussed and we say we need to get a new goalkeeper. But if you change your backline as well, that to me is a big worry, that. Do you remember the first game of the season we did and Slott joined us at the end of the game? And you mentioned earlier on about you know, I was speaking to Slott about the tactics of the set-up of the team and what he was thinking. I'd love to have that chat with Amaran.

1:01:47you know maybe after the game and not to question the guy's obviously done brilliantly at Sporting Lisbon but the system that he plays and people say he should be more adaptable I understand that he sticks with it because it's what he knows that's his thing but I'd love to know What does that system give you more than 4-3-3 or playing with the wingers the way United do historically? What is it about that system that you think is better than other ways of playing? Because we're not seeing it. We're not seeing it yet. But obviously there's something in his head about what he's done before at the former club that he wants Manchester United to do.

1:02:23And he feels that can make his team one of the best teams in the league and go on and win big trophies. what is it is it something about the wing backs is it having three centre backs who are big for set pieces is it having a front I'd love to ask him what it is but we can't see it there's nothing the signs aren't good and the results we'll tell you that and the results are going back no as well including I know we'll argue last year he came in half way through the season but the results since then because we talk about a manager walking the door and whatever philosophy they have about the football but you're going Thomas Frank example I know it's early days but it's only a manager and have an effect.

1:02:59Yeah. Have an effect by his personality, his tone, the way he speaks to people. You get a bunch of people in your restroom that will follow you. That's it. And one or two will fall by the wayside. But you look and go, United's results. And he's had what, 29, 30 league games now? 29 games. 29 league games. 29. I heard this. I was listening to a podcast on the way in. 28 points. 29. So you've got less points than games. I'm convinced if any of us had gone in there, I think, I'd like to think if I wouldn't, I might get that. I might get that type of response from players well hopefully you get more than that so he still must be looking at the emotion side of football whatever but this is my way of playing you're not looking at a bunch of players going to go and I'm going back to the Spurs final I'm going back to Arsenal last week where they're getting some applause not scoring enough goals but not finding a way to get a result we're going to show I'll go back to goalkeepers players at Man United that kind of personality side of it you don't see it with this group like the Fulham game last week when you watch Man United against Fulham last week okay you've got Arsenal will be a tough game and their record is quite good at Fulham but you're watching United could win 2-0 here but they could lose 2-0 you're not thinking you're looking at Liverpool now and Arsenal you'd be shocked if Leeds beat if Leeds beat Arsenal last week you'd be going I didn't see that coming or even Liverpool or Bournemouth okay Liverpool well United go you just do not know what you're going to get and I think if you're a manager and you're working with groups of players every week you go I don't know that's no good to you I think Bill Shankly said years ago he wants players you go I know they'll turn up every week doesn't mean you're going to win every week but this idea it's hit and miss Well, that's no good at this level.

1:04:24Gary Neville: If there's one thing, Roy, that you think that would be good advice for him to do that would get things right, then what would it be? I don't know. One thing. Yeah, if you say one thing to him, you're in front of him. The way he is at the moment, the way he started the season, going, but I'm going to state the obvious, we're criticising Liverpool. He's got to win some more football matches. He's got to find a way to win. Now, stating the obvious, but if you're winning football matches, you have a chance to have a project and to do all the stuff. That includes Pep and all these players. But if you're talking about getting distracted by some of his decision-making, we're all looking at it.

1:05:00We've all played the game at a good level. We're looking going, that's a bit strange. Chopping the chain is full-backs or defenders. He's throwing Maguire on every game to try and get you a winning goal. Everyone can state that they need a goalkeeper. Their stats last year, it's really bad. Their home record was shocking. That's why I was a bit surprised last week when everyone was going to go, almost almost pleased with United's performance last week you lost home to Arsenal they drew home to Arsenal last year by the way did I lose it? I thought it was a good performance though in his last night I'm messaging you saying that it was like no win no fling what would you say girl

1:05:35Ian Wright: what would you say?

1:05:40Ian Wright: you okay girl? get a good get a new groundsman right

1:05:48Gary Neville: get a new groundsman but he must sit with his staff on a Monday lads you go into a football club on a Monday you've had a good or bad result and you sit and have a cup of tea like this for your staff and you sit there and be going the result you must sit there and go I know we've all got clear plans you someone go fuck me we've got to win some football matches it has to be I think most people we all know Manchester United is not an easy club to manage it's so big there's so much eyes on it and no one's expecting him to be amazing and do it really quickly I get that but if I was a United fan I've just mentioned the points to games that wouldn't be my biggest worry even though it is a big worry but I've got to feel like the guy's taking me somewhere and I can feel it so I can understand what you said about last week there was an element of that against United and I go okay but then Fulham feels like something from last season you don't feel like okay we're going somewhere I can see it I can feel it okay we're not winning every week but I can see what he wants I can see what he's taking us Jamie when Klopp went to Liverpool didn't he struggle but there was there was a feel good factor about Klopp going so we'll see where we're heading there's an element exactly right and what Klopp did early on was you can see what he wants in terms of all the pressing you know he hasn't got the quality of player but he won some big games early on away at City and Chelsea you think oh here we go and I think Klopp's first season he got to the Europa League final I think he beat United and I think Villarreal on the way there so there was something building you can see and then in the summer he brings a player in and listen it's two games into the season but it's more the performances rather than the results with United for me.

1:07:19I think it's... See, they've played Borne next week after the match break. It's the City game. The City game? Yeah, I think it is, yeah. So in another couple of weeks, it just says City, turn them over. Then it's Chelsea the week after.

1:07:31Ian Wright: Gal, just quickly, with... Pressure will just keep building and building. I was going to say, with Kobe... What's happening with Kobe Maynard? He said he's competing with Bruno. Get him ready to what? The selling?

1:07:42Gary Neville: Can't help thinking he doesn't fancy him quite because he's never really sort of put him in from the beginning. England international he's not putting him in there he's gone with Casemiro and Fernandes I mean if you said to me what was one bit of advice it'd be absolutely sort your midfield out because you can't have that midfield I mean what happened on Saturday they actually were quite good for a period in the game when the front three and the back five are very compact together and you two in midfield are very much tight to the beach once it gets a little bit spread which to be fair Fulham started to get that he then put Mount and Fernandes in there and then the game just started to open up and then he had to take Mount off and then he put Agati on there.

1:08:17Gary Neville: So before you know it, you've had three central midfield partnerships. You've had your back three changed. You're changing a lot every game. You just mentioned three or four players there. Are they Man United players? So Agati for me, absolutely not. Is Mount a Man United player? Right, Mount, to be fair, I think he's actually done well in his first two games, Roy. But I don't know where he fits. To be fair, if he's keeping Cescou out of the team, who, to be fair, now isn't getting into the team. I know it's early. He'll play tonight probably against Wimbledon. So if you think Mount's honestly going to get back to United, I know not in his own.

1:08:43Roy, I think he really likes Mount.

1:08:45Gary Neville: He probably does. I think he really likes him. No, I think he really likes him. Yeah, that's a worry. I think as a front three, they've done OK in the first team. The problem is they've not connected. They missed big chances, Roy. They've not scored a goal for him. I know, but they missed some big chances. He should have had two or three goals, couldn't he? Listen, I'm not being a smartass. Do you know what's really important in football? I know. What, Roy? Why did you get all the big money and all the cows and the women? That's true. It's true. Putting the bond on the... Big money, cars and women.

1:09:11Out of order. He didn't... He didn't say no. The rest of his money is swaned.

1:09:17Ian Wright: Yeah, Robbie. You know something, at the end of this... Can I be honest? The game against Arsenal, first game of the season, I'm thinking, wow, OK, if they're coming like that, that's a lot of energy. Yeah, I agree. If these guys... But then, like you said, James... It's a drop. How many league goals are Manu Benning last year? I'm back to where I was with United. 44 league goals last year. They've got none yet at the moment. That was an OG last week. Some of the players are running for him, though. Like, Ahmad, he did this mad skill on the halfway line. He tracked all the way back. Like, some of them are running for him.

1:09:43I don't think it's a work ethic. I know I'm not saying that. We're not saying that. I'm trying. Ahmed, yeah. No, he's got... No, I like him. He's got something. He's a good player. Yeah, again, he's got legs.

1:09:53Ian Wright: Yeah, but the thing is, you look at someone like Ahmed with his pace, with his skill, his eye forgot, with the right kind of backing up between... He should be doing a lot better than he's doing. He's a very, very skilful player. He's a good player. I think the same with Mbwemo. He's a very good player. And Kuna. Yeah. I don't know what's happened with Sesko. He's not even...

1:10:09Gary Neville: Just put him on there. I mean, it's quite early. I mean, he's had 20 minutes against Arsenal and 30 minutes against Fulham. Obviously, he doesn't look like he's up to it yet. The team aren't playing well, but he's not obviously had a chance. I think we'll see more of him. I think he'll play against Burnley on Saturday. I suspect he'll play tonight against Grimsby.

1:10:24Ian Wright: Can I be honest with them players coming to the Premier League, right? Let's hope they'll be Grimsby. Honestly, James, coming to the Premier League, all of them players, I think Versus is the same, Sesco is the same, probably Jockerys will be the same. All of them. They are absolutely astounded at the pace. and the energy of the Premier League. Who are? These players, these new players are coming in from the German League and everybody says, yeah, it's so similar because it's so far. Yeah, I think... They are no...

1:10:48Gary Neville: They literally... They're caught in the lights. I think Virgil would probably come off that pitch on Monday for Liverpool and thought, what the hell was that? You know what I mean? There would be an element of, what the hell was that? Yeah. You speak for Patrice when he came from the French League in that first game against Manchester City and he was like, what the hell was that? I think Sesco probably a little bit of that in terms of it's probably passing him by.

1:11:07Ian Wright: Then you know what happens with that then, Roy? What happens is you either embrace that or you go, whoa, this is intense. And then we see where you go from there. They've got to compete with the physicality so that the technical ability comes out, isn't it? So that's going to be... Do you think it's much quicker than when we play? More physicality? It feels it, Roy, when you watch it sometimes. I know that sometimes, like you're saying, Jamie, there's a lot of passing back there and it's... But sometimes, it must be for these players because you look at them and they're just like that. Yeah. I think Monday was a good game.

1:11:38That was a brilliant attack, I think. That's how the game's... Newcastle had to get carried off. You know, if you're in Liverpool, you go, I'll see you later, lads. Right, Ben, come on, Super 6.

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1:12:23Man United game was a bit boring, wasn't it? Was it hard to commentate?

1:12:27Gary Neville: Yeah, it wasn't great.

1:12:29Ian Wright: Gal, what's that you sent in on the chart? The draws, all the results and stuff, what we got. What do you mean? How did we do? Did we do well? I don't know. Well, you two did well. The left made off the message. Yeah, but you're not involved when we do well. You're part of the team, Jill. No, did you see Super 6 were like, well done, Roy and Ian. Like, I don't exist. Yes, you do exist, my darling. I need a bit of love. You're the best. You've got pure love. I said if we'd win a million. Where are you? Did you leave Jill off the chair? I do. I got left off. I was like, I'll buy one. Apparently she's saying she got left off.

1:12:59I got left off. Rodney, 102. I was like, well done, Roy. Well done, Ian. It's OK. Did we do well? It's OK. It didn't affect us.

1:13:08Ian Wright: Right. Someone's getting fired. Jane, can you give me my phone? Someone's getting fired. Jane, what are you doing? I'm going to the game Saturday.

1:13:14Gary Neville: United Burnley. It's not on television. I'm going to the game United Burnley Saturday. It's all for Friday night. Ian, hospitality. You're busy, Gary? No. I'm busy. Busy few days. What are you doing, girl? You getting busy? I'll go and watch them, but I'll go and watch United Saturday. Right. There's still£1 million to be... What's the other thing? Did you do... Brilliant. Yeah. Fantastic, yeah. Bit of a nightmare getting in and out because there's only one way to get in, really.

1:13:38Ian Wright: You know something? Like I say, Gareth, I've got to go into it again. Just quickly... I feel like a new stadium, if you know what I mean. With Kobe Maino. He'll help Everton. Atmosphere was amazing. Great life I was happy for.

1:13:49Gary Neville: Come up here. Sorry, just... Kobe Maino news. Kobe Maino can't leave.

1:13:53Ian Wright: Kobe Maino is open to leaving Man United before the deadline. Deep professional situation. Preference for European team. They haven't got any midfielders. How can... They're not picking them. What's he going? Does he just sit there forever? I think they... Do you know what it is, right? I think they don't think he's quick enough to get around. Yeah, but at the same time... I saw a picture of him. I watched that show on Sky last night where they show you the papers that are coming out the next day and there was stuff on me. And they showed a picture of him. Oh, my God. It's like, that is... Is he?

1:14:16Ian Wright: He's a leg. Remember, he's young. He's getting going. I can't believe Man United.

1:14:20Gary Neville: They can't let him go.

1:14:21Ian Wright: Everything about Man United... He's a great player.

1:14:23Gary Neville: If they let him go, they'll have to bring someone in. They can't let him go.

1:14:27Ian Wright: Yeah, but what's happening in Man United? You've got Casemiro, Agarthe and Fernandes then. Youth Academy's players go.

1:14:31Gary Neville: Casemiro's getting a new deal.

1:14:32Ian Wright: Is it international? Is it international?

1:14:33Gary Neville: Right, I don't think the manager is. Casemiro's getting an extension. I don't think the manager is half a year. I know. Leave the football before the football leaves you. That's what a CSO, no.

1:14:44Ian Wright: Man United are built on what they do with their kids coming through. Now you're going to tell me because they can't fit him into the team, they're getting rid of it?

1:14:50Gary Neville: He'll be friends with Ganacho, I suspect. He'll be friends with Marcus. And I suspect he's looking at what's happened with those two and he's thinking, I'm being left out here. He might be just looking at it and thinking, I'm going to get out. At the same time, the club is saying they don't want him. He's not picking him, is he? Oh, but he's got a lovely story. The journey he's been, I'll tell you half the story. Right, where would he go? Where would he go? I think there'll be a lot of takers. There'll be a lot of takers for him. Premier League.

1:15:15Ian Wright: You know what, I hope he does. I hope he does go and do well. Get a manager who plays a player. Trent Statter, has Trent Donarek a couple of league games gone in Spain? He played the first game and I think he came on sub in the second game. Carver Hall. Carver Hall's a legend there, isn't he? He's a legend. I think Carver's the best right-back I see. But he's just coming back from a big injury. I think he's mid-earth. It's going to be tough now. You can't see Carver Hall coming out of the team. What were we saying, Benny? Super six. Yay! Come on. United-Burnley. What was that? Sorry, Ben. Let's do a problem because we're close now.

1:15:48There is still£1 million to be won. Oh. that's for the camera I thought he was up there you were popping up that's the camera isn't it proving my craft Roy right last week Gary, Jamie you got four points oh brilliant they're doing you know what they're really doing well so you got four I like what they're doing tough week last week so you beat 140 ,000 players so well done you top 95 % players you were

1:16:09Gary Neville: top 95 % so what's that mean so you there's only 5 % 5 % of people were worse than you so it was pretty shit Roy there you go Ian, Jill, 15 points.

1:16:22Ian Wright: Oh, thank you. What? 15 points. That's 15. It's not average, isn't it? I expected that. I'm disappointed with that. Very disappointed. Top 0.8 % of players, you beat over 1.05 million players. That's what we do. I'd expect that. That's what we do. Let's get on with it, because that's what we're doing here. You thought we were going to get excited with that. It's hard to come back from that, you know, Carol. You only got 11 down. Oh, yeah. You get to have a noise in it. Right. Dude, you get noisy halfway through the stage. Do you guys want to go first? Has he won? I don't know. We'll want to be humble.

1:16:54Are you going to this game, Nev?

1:16:56Gary Neville: Yeah, Nev. I'm going to this game. I think he will. I think he'll be by one goal. No, he said he's not. Hospitality. I watched him at your home. I'm not. I'm sitting in my season ticket. I know you'll be sitting there. Nice one, girl. Have you got two season tickets?

1:17:04Ian Wright: What score are you going for, girl? Who's he with? Fergie. Oh, yeah. Who? Are you going with Fergie?

1:17:10Gary Neville: No. I'm going to see you in my season ticket. If we see you on telly, like that, pour them a tea.

1:17:17Ian Wright: Are you going to put a result or what? Come on. Go on, Gary, to your team.

1:17:21Gary Neville: Do you think Burnley will score? I don't know. United will score. Do you think we'll United will score?

1:17:27Ian Wright: I'd play a second. I think it will be...

1:17:31Gary Neville: 1-0, 2-0. I'm going. 2-0 United. No, James. Burnley did all right against Sunderland.

1:17:37Ian Wright: Sorry? You're not having United to beat them. United to beat them. Yeah, but 2-1. We'll give Burnley a goal, will we? We should. 2-1. Burnley will score. Definitely Burnley will score. 2-1. I don't know. 2-1's the most. Tottenham Bournemouth. Oh, you look, Bormick. No, Tottenham are doing well, though, you know. I was impressed with Tottenham's work rate. Tottenham at home, I'm going there. Yeah. Tottenham at home, yeah. What do you think of? Come on, Joe. They look good at the back as well, you know. Bormick have a goal in them, though, don't they? 3-1. 3-1 Spurs. Is that too much? 2-1. I like 3-1.

1:18:08Ian Wright: OK, go on. Go on, right. 3-1.

1:18:11Gary Neville: We get a little shock. 1-1. Yeah, 1-1. What? Tottenham win that. Love that. Not with Thomas.

1:18:17Ian Wright: But then this will attack and disappoint. Wolves Everton were flying. You know what, and if they do, then that's it. Wolves Everton. That's a... I see them goals that lad just scored last night. That lad who had Newcastle put them in the last one. Yeah, I know. That left foot one.

1:18:29Gary Neville: That's the league call. Is that Australian last one? I thought Everton was so poor at Leeds away, but then obviously they had better at home. They weren't great at home in the game. No, but they were poor at Leeds. Against Brighton, yes. They obviously won, but yeah. I can't see Everton winning that. I was happy for the Raiders. It's a draw or Wolves win. What do you think? We've got to wear 1-1. Yeah, we've got 1-1. Sit on the fence. I should have two of two. Wolves, two of one. Wolves, two of one. Wolves, two of one. No, you can't change. Wolves, two of one. Wolves, two of one. Wolves, two of one.

1:19:00Should we take 1-1?

1:19:01Ian Wright: No, we've just got 2-1 everything else. I don't know. Really? Let's go 1-1. 1-1. Hopefully. If that comes in, this is going to be awful. We've pinched it off you. Leading Newcastle. Everything away from home, yeah. Jack, aren't we? Is it us? Yeah. It's Newcastle. Oh, 5.30 kick-offs. No, is it? 5.30 kick-off on a Saturday under the floodlights. See, I'm doing a Gary. I'm starting to do the research on the kick-off times. Gary doesn't like Leeds fans, does he? No, they don't like me. Why?

1:19:31Gary Neville: There's a rich rivalry.

1:19:33Ian Wright: Between United and Leeds. I used to love Leeds back in the day. Eddie Hobongs is back. They went to Villa. Got a draw. Should have got something against Liverpool. Newcastle take confidence I think Newcastle beat them Yeah I do It's only a short journey What are we thinking? It's only a short journey Desmond? I don't know if Leeds have scored two goals against them No Newcastle win Leeds against Sepertom are good That's their home form Newcastle win Do you think Newcastle? I don't know Who do you think wins? 2-2 We've got Desmond. I'll jump on that one. Well, if Newcastle wins... I'd say Newcastle wins.

1:20:17Ian Wright: Look at them two.

1:20:18Gary Neville: Here we go. We're just... Who's the centre-half? Here we go. Who's the referee?

1:20:25Ian Wright: Who's gone 2-2? Has he got a brother?

1:20:27Gary Neville: Joel Linton got injured. Gordon can't play. Tonali can't play. And then the kid came off a concussion, didn't he? Yeah. So he can't play. Yeah. So? So? 4-0. 3-0 Newcastle. Well, Newcastle have a little bit of hangover. with all what you've just said there there is goals in the game there is goals in the game what a great bounce back they've won one they've gone a draw you know what they're doing

1:20:55Ian Wright: they're just look at us Brighton City

1:20:57Gary Neville: 2 o 'clock Sunday oh City on there Brighton City on Sunday that's a good one to watch on the gantry Trafford paint sheet Brighton City that's what that's what that's what that's what that's what Marmouche Hatrick I think that's the kind of game where City do a wolves on them. 2-0 City. Yeah, I saw a one. Yeah, I was going to say three. Would Brighton get a go? 2-1 or 3-1? Or we just go with 2-0 the same? I think City get three. If we copy them from here on in, we can't lose.

1:21:29Ian Wright: Yeah, yeah. It wouldn't be fun, but we can't lose. Are we about winning or not? We want to win ugly, so we can do that now. I think City get a few goals. one we're like Liverpool we're the entertainers here Liverpool Arsenal 4.30 here we go is any of you doing that are you doing that game are you doing that game are you doing it Cara are you doing commentary I think Liverpool score one are you doing the game Sunday I think I'm going 2-1 to Arsenal 2-1 Arsenal hold on a sec who's in the studio We won't beat Liverpool. You two, aren't you? You're going to go draw. You're going to go draw, aren't you?

1:22:15Ian Wright: I can feel it all over you. I think it's Theo Wilkos. Let's go 1-1. I like him. Let's go 1-1. I think he's good. How did they decide whether you have three commentators or two? Because you've got to give me something. I'll give it up. Because you had three. That's normally just the man you like to Liverpool. We do that. No, but Everton, Brighton. I think it was Everton's first. 1-1, love that. Thank you very much. Liverpool are a lot of an Everton voice. I know a Liverpool voice all the time. Oh, OK. But do they have, like, a different... If we win. Like, do you know what I mean? Because, like, obviously, you're core commentary.

1:22:46They just come in. Just come in, yeah.

1:22:48Gary Neville: I fancy Arsenal to win. You think Arsenal will win? Yeah.

1:22:52Ian Wright: You're going 2-1, aren't you?

1:22:53Gary Neville: No, I'm going to let him score because he's team, but I think Arsenal will win. Don't go from the heart, go from the head. Liverpool win. No, no, no, I do. I can see Rice. Don't lean back on the players. If you go over, oof. That goes viral. What about that? Oh, yeah, lean on him. Do you know what? I was thinking about this yesterday. You're not going Liverpool win. I think there's something that almost... Liverpool aren't at their best. Arsenal have got a few injuries. Yeah, you know, you can imagine them both going with 20 minutes to go. It's not the end of the world. There's an Arsenal break coming up.

1:23:21Liverpool have got to win with the injuries you've got. Saka's your best player. He's out, isn't he? I would have gone Liverpool. Eze's in. Odegaard's out.

1:23:29Gary Neville: He's not going to stop. If he goes draw, he thinks Liverpool are going to lose. So if I go Liverpool win, I think it's going to be a deal. So what does he do if he thinks Liverpool will win? All people who watch Super 6 read between the lines. I think Arsenal score. What about our defensive record as well, Jamie? I'm going to go Liverpool 2-1. I would have said that. No, you have the best defence in the league. I agree with that. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you, Ben. Arsenal score two from set pieces.

1:24:02Ian Wright: You've got to take into consideration the atmosphere. It could be something like... We were terrible at United. If Arsenal like the word of Man United, Liverpool will win the game. No Saka, no Older Card. If that defence got what they've done against Bournemouth, we can win the game. Liverpool won't play like that again. Marino. We won't play. Rice.

1:24:20Gary Neville: Just copying James. Go on, what are you saying? Land of the Giants, Arsenal Sunday. He'll go with Marino, Rice, Zubimendi, Eze or Trossard. But he'll have the big back four. Four or five in the box. They'll score from set pieces.

1:24:33Ian Wright: Yockers. Yockers. The Yock. I think Arsenal score two from set pieces. Well we'll see You know something Looking forward to it Let's go one It'll be two on Arsenal Who's on it And then you'll be right Arsenal win the league You'll finally get it right Who did you say is on Sunday Who's on Do you know Me you And Theo Are you doing it So we've got the Liverpool man The Arsenal man And the Referee Milsley

1:25:03Gary Neville: Last question Go on gal It's a double barrel question Let's start with Who's had the best transfer window having watched two games? I know a few weeks ago people said Liverpool do we still think that now that Liverpool have had the best transfer window? Who has had the best transfer window? Of any team in the Premier League who's had the best transfer window right now with five days to go in the signings to make?

1:25:24Ian Wright: West Ham? That's a really tough question. No. Am I being biased if I say games for Mendy and then Eze and then Jokka is what we need? I was going to say Arsenal. That's brilliant for it. I was going to say Arsenal. That can be the game changer for us it could be the changer for us you know what I mean what do you think I'll go with

1:25:41Gary Neville: Arsenal Sunderland brought 10 players in what do you think Winston James I think right now Arsenal's squad looks unbelievable Liverpool's actually looks shudder can you imagine if we didn't have

1:25:55Ian Wright: the depth for the moment with Saka out and Erdogan the noise now would have been deafening so it's kind of like you know Arsenal right I know Liverpool have spent a lot of money in Chelsea but Chelsea and Liverpool bring loads of money in. Arsenal don't. It's just continually like spending big money. We haven't spoke about Chelsea, title contenders. No. You fancy them, don't you? I do. You remember you said it to him. I really hope it comes for you. To lose Cole Palmer in the warm-up, I thought this was going to be a test and I thought... I know West Ham... I know, I know. But we're big in Arsenal.

1:26:29They were playing Leeds. I just think they've put in a good performance.

1:26:33Ian Wright: Yeah, but after the way Leeds played at home the first game, you could have to... Home and away is different. West Ham have really got to sort themselves out defensively, midfield, everything. Because they look really bad. You know last night, I know you're on Chelsea, going to West Ham last night and watching the show on Sky where you can see all the goals coming. And at the end of the game, Bowen's walked towards the West Ham fans and there's a bit of weird to what I bet. But I've noticed this on commentary and it kind of annoys me. losing teams you know when you're losing and you're playing away from home and the fans always want you to go over and clap I get that you go over and clap but there's this thing now that teams do where they all go en masse as a team and a lot of losing teams do it and they stand there and they just clap to the fans like that it's almost like a bit I know we've like say what you want to us go on say what we deserve it we've been terrible we lost and they stand there for ages just clapping and then before you know it someone ends up saying something so Bowen ends up making an apology on social media He gets involved with the crowd.

1:27:35They're emotional, you're emotional. Just go and clap, show them a bit of respect. You've turned it up, you've picked a clap, and then just go in. You know what it's like as well, yeah. Just standing there looking at them. It's annoying.

1:27:44Gary Neville: I think it's so that individual players don't go over and basically get pelters or booed. I think that's why they do it. No, I get that. It's a bit like clap. And then go, it's a bit like, do you stand there looking at the crowd as if they go and abuse us? We got beat, we deserve it. It's weird. The way the game has changed over the last 15, 20 years, I was talking the last week about it, where managers know, and even the managers are going over and they're all walking around the stadium and she's shaking hands with the other team. You're like, when did all that start?

1:28:09Ian Wright: I feel for Bowen a bit. He's all appreciation for fans. You look at someone like Bowen, he's carrying that team as it is, then he gets the captaincy.

1:28:18Gary Neville: Arsenal, best team in transfer window so far? Five days to go? Yeah, we'll give it Arsenal. A team from what you would think would finish in the bottom half of the table, a team in the top half of the table that you think desperately need to do business in the next five days or they're going to be in trouble and well underperform. West Ham. West Ham in the bottom. So a team that you would think would finish in the bottom half of the table that you think if they don't do business they could end up in big trouble. Oh, West Ham. West Ham. Everton may be a bit of business. I think Everton's business would be alright.

1:28:45Yeah, Everton would be alright. Do you know what? The keeper, the centre-halves, if they're all three, they'd be fine. I think Everton. And David Moyes, they'd be fine. Brentford. So West Ham, Brentford. Wolves? Do you think Wolves could get tied? Wolves, they always start badly. Could it be one of them teams? I know, but I like it. At least Wolves create chances, but could Wolves be one of them where they go, they'll be fine, they'll be fine. Actually, they've lost two or three of the best players, didn't they? I'm not sure. And they could lose the... What do we think about Brentford? What do we think about Brentford?

1:29:12Brentford would be fine. I think they'd be fine. They have enough about them. They have enough experienced players.

1:29:16Ian Wright: What about the manager? Managing an experienced manager. Will he be OK at this level? I think they'll have enough. I think they'll be fine.

1:29:21Gary Neville: So West Ham are the team at the bottom that you think desperately need to do business? I think so. At the top half of the table, who desperately needs to do business? Newcastle need to do business, don't they? Without a doubt. If they're going to lose Isaac, or if he's not going to play, whichever. Do you think he's going where we're at with that? Liverpool need to. Liverpool desperately need a centre-half.

1:29:38Ian Wright: They desperately need a centre-half. If they didn't bring a centre-half or an attacking player in, I don't think Liverpool could win the league with what they've got right now. If Ekotiki got injured or was out for a month, who would play centre-forward? They haven't got one. They haven't got anything on the bench. I said that. and he slotted me didn't he and then when he came in afterwards I thought he said the bench wasn't strong and all the kids had scored and I was like if that's the case then Liverpool definitely need to make that happen but who most I mean Newcastle probably had a goal Newcastle Villa Villa

1:30:11Gary Neville: Villa Villa look so flat don't they yeah I think that's a lot of Villa they just had to oh I know that listen I'm not your honourable I know the Indian out of all that stuff whether they can or not but you think they need some players in Yeah I think Newcastle or Villa are good shouts because I think them two managers Excellent managers they just need a bit of a The manager looks flat It's like a player you know when you come back pre-season what's the best feeling a player has when you get some new players it gives you a little but when nobody comes in it's a bit like

1:30:39Ian Wright: It looks like the manager it looks like things are happening with this manager selling players it's out of his control I know of course it is I think you and I Emery and Eddie are two of the best managers in the league but they're at clubs where they're probably thinking where else can we go on because of PSR and these issues it's like how can they get any higher with that I think Eddie Ho has done a brilliant job but when he first went to Newcastle they were spending money they were throwing money you know what I mean and they got the rewards that real big money Roy what they would have thought they wanted what did they buy the strike for 60 60 they were spending 60 million on players I think they wanted to go again and again of course that's what everyone but this idea that Eddie Ho hasn't spent anything since he's gone up there he's brought it all back the last couple of last summer if you remember They had to do a lot of player training.

1:31:23Didn't really bring anyone in. But when it's summer they haven't brought... They did. They had to, really, didn't they? Yeah, of course. Yeah, they had to. And they moved themselves up. But I think the last two summers, they haven't. My point being is, where they are right now, can they ever challenge for the league? They always feel like they're going to be between fourth and seventh, if you like. And it's like, they can't go anymore. I have a feeling, and I don't know, obviously, in the notes of Newcastle, but I think they'll pull something out of the bag the next few days. Oh, they'll bring someone in.

1:31:50Yeah. All right, a couple of lads in.

1:31:52Gary Neville: So Newcastle and Villa and West Ham in the bottom half. West Ham, yeah. Isak will go to Liverpool? Yes. I was yes, but now I think I'm no. Why? I don't know. You don't like the vibe? You don't like how it feels? I just think he'll stay. Imagine if he was playing your night for Newcastle. If they kept 11 players, they would have won, with or without them. If Newcastle buy two strikers, Liverpool sign Isak, and Newcastle are trying to buy strikers. They've got a bid in for the lad from Wolves. They're going for Worcester. So obviously they're thinking if we get our guys in, maybe that can happen.

1:32:26But if they don't get the people in, it won't happen. But they are active in life.

1:32:29Gary Neville: If you're Wolves and Brentford, though, you're sat there now quite rosy thinking, we'll wait another few days because we're going to get a few more millionaires. They're going to get more desperate, aren't they? Yeah, but you think they've still got enough players, you think, Wolves and Brentford to be OK. When I say be OK, I'm telling you.

1:32:42Ian Wright: You know where I feel for Newcastle? You know where I feel for Newcastle? Because I think Newcastle have been trying to facilitate him, you know, but they want what they want for him. They try to get the players in. I can't understand why he's gone that far that side, man. Through the play, you mean? Yeah, yeah. Where's he training now? I said that the other night. Honestly, it's so bad. Because Newcastle don't seem like they're trying to cause problems, like some clubs do. Other players have come back from that. You're right. I was saying that on Monday to Thierry. It's like, sometimes he's gone that far that way.

1:33:10It's not like he's being, can he get back? It's like, he's miles away from where he needs to get back to. That's why I think it's difficult for him to come back.

1:33:18Ian Wright: I don't know how that's going to pan out. It's going to be interesting to see. Where's he training now? Is he in the club or what? Oh yeah, yeah

1:33:24Gary Neville: He's training now isn't he? He wasn't training at one point though was he? He went to his old club didn't he? I think a few weeks ago Did he?

1:33:31Ian Wright: Like a pariah Like a pariah just on your own You know what the lads think of you and everything Wrap it up girl I am going to

1:33:39Gary Neville: That's it, we're done, we're done, we're done We're done, we're done

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