Roy’s Man Utd Contracts, Rashford to Barcelona & Football Memories | Stick to Football EP 90

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1:34Roy Keane: Oh, I'm playing tennis.

1:41Roy Keane: Oh, what a shot. I'm not apologizing for that. Yes, Ian. Nice helmet. Nice helmet, righty.

1:55Jill, come on, concentrate.

2:01I need to get a bike, righty. I keep telling you, but you don't listen.

2:04Roy Keane: No, you can't get a bike.

2:07Ian Wright: Jill, you're not going for it.

2:10Roy Keane: I just like to... Roy, he's a tipper.

2:13Ian Wright: I don't like people who are not going for it.

2:15Roy Keane: Really? Yeah, but this is how I played football. Look, just safe. Follow the angles, pal. Ryder's desperate to get involved.

2:26Ian Wright: Look at me. Remember that game he used to play when he was younger, round the table? Remember that, James? Yeah.

2:36Roy Keane: I actually read that shot. Unbelievable. Just warm up, yeah? Okay. Jimmy. So why are you serving so fast? Put water helmet. Jesus, what a helmet. I know what you're going to do because you get impatient. Put water helmet.

2:51Ian Wright: Just play the game, stop talking. You get impatient. This is my brother, he used to always talk. So you love blasphemy then, yeah?

3:03That's sharp. So you enjoyed it?

3:06Roy Keane: I loved it, absolutely loved it. See what I mean? It's a stupid chop. All my mates have like toddlers, so whenever I catch up with them, there's always kids who can't really catch up. So I had our rucksacks on, just beers in there, just sitting on a field, listening to me. Oh, it was just the best. What's the score?

3:25Ian Wright: 5-0 to me. 4-1 to me.

3:27Roy Keane: Well, you're actually all right. You need to say sorry. The ball's lost. Sorry for being brilliant. Oh, God. The ball's got to stay, righty. You didn't want to go down and get it. Thank you. Oh, thanks, darling. Thanks. He was very lazy, dear. Cheers. Sorry for being brilliant. Brilliant. Bell. Oh, what a shot. I'm 5-1 up and you're delighted with his one shot. Oh!

3:53Ian Wright: Bloody hell, right here. It's all coming back. You see that, James? Yeah. That'd be sharp. You all get excited. I'm 5-2 up.

4:02Roy Keane: Do you play? You get all the glory.

4:04Ian Wright: I get the time. Once I get warmed up, Jill, he's got a problem.

4:08Roy Keane: To be fair. Oh, what a shot, Roy.

4:09Ian Wright: Oh, yeah, thanks. Thanks, Jamie. Thank you. Much appreciated. Six free. That was a good shot there.

4:13Roy Keane: Yeah, it was.

4:13Ian Wright: Six free. What's the score?

4:18Ian Wright: That's not the point. Because I'm waiting for you to look at me so we can serve. You can't serve like that. I just enjoy myself.

4:23Roy Keane: Well, don't enjoy yourself. You don't feel to do them no-look passes. Just because I couldn't... Yes!

4:29Ian Wright: You're meant to say thanks. Sorry, sorry. Where's Gatty? He's not winning, isn't he? You can't serve me. How can you do that? You can't serve me. Trying to make you look feeble.

4:37Roy Keane: That is such a good flick of the way. You see how I've done that?

4:39Ian Wright: It felt feather-ish, didn't it? On the table.

4:41Roy Keane: Wow.

4:42Ian Wright: Phil Federer-ish.

4:45Ian Wright: Oh, good serve. He's moving me all over the place. My knee. My knee, man. My head. What's this score? 6-4. 10-1. Shit.

4:59Roy Keane: It's not 10-1. He's at three points. What's that?

5:03Ian Wright: Yes. I wish I went over to the other side. I know his game now, Jill. He's a mover.

5:13Gary Neville: Let's go Let's go I can't defend I can't defend against that This is my look for the whole season I wear the same thing every week Yeah Really? I want consistency I'm consistent That's what I am I'm consistent I've got an injury

5:28Roy Keane: Did you miss doing stick to football In the break?

5:32Gary Neville: I like my break Now I didn't used to I like the two months off

5:36Roy Keane: I think that Is it there?

5:39Ian Wright: Steve McQueen baby I love you

5:40Roy Keane: I reckon it needs releasing Hey, Stevie. You know something, this is a trap. I carry on. I should drop out of the programme. I carry on. What have you done?

5:53Gary Neville: Just before we get started, a quick thanks to our partners and clothing. We hope you enjoy the show.

6:04Roy Keane: So I had that pink Rolls voice for a week. So then suddenly we're driving. I see Dennis and his wife, Dennis. Oh, when that dog goes out.

6:12Ian Wright: If he's doing that and he's carrying on, I'm going to clip him, bro.

6:19Roy Keane: I want to get Prince William on the podcast.

6:21Gary Neville: Yeah. Well done, Jill. Well done, Jill. Thank you for the note, and this is why I do what I do. Bruce Springsteen. It's my job. It's my job. No, this is him. Which teammates would you swap houses with for a week? The hosts are his situation.

6:38Ian Wright: Not the what? Not the what?

6:46Gary Neville: Being really honest, as we always are on this programme, we had a guest lined up, but it didn't quite work out. He wasn't? Sometimes it happens. No, if we're being honest. We don't disclose that. No. But it didn't quite work out, so we... Will we get them back on again? Oh, absolutely. Or we burnt our bridges? No, no, we don't burn bridges. OK. So, we're actually going to basically do a slightly different show today, brought to you by Arne, and on this episode, we're going to start with, we've got two or three little sections. The first one is show and tell. So I've asked everyone to bring something in that means something to them and their careers.

7:20Gary Neville: Oh, I didn't realise it was their careers. And their careers. I've not brought the right things in. No, but it's anything. Sorry, so let me do it again. So basically, show and tell. I've asked everyone to bring in something that means something to them and none of us know what the others are bringing in. So who wants to go first? Go on, Jimmy. Fire up, pal. Go on, go on, Gary. Right, I brought this shirt in. My own stuff, a lot of it was at Anfield in Liverpool's museum thing. So I brought this shirt in. This is what I could find. This is a signed shirt. Is that Franco? Franco Beresi. My favourite tender.

7:52Is he OK, Jimmy? Did he get ill recently? Did I read something? No, I think he's still OK. He's still on Instagram. Yeah, no, he's OK. But did he not get... Did he get a charm recently? Maybe. Roy, I didn't hear too much of that. But he's... Beautiful. That, for me, is one of those kits, iconic kits as well. This is... That Milan team. Motta. And the reason I brought this, there was a few other shirts. My position, obviously, the number one for me. And the number one for me, because when you think of centre-backs, let's say Van Dijk, that's what you'd imagine a centre-back to be, like six foot four, big, powerful.

8:25But he was tiny, wasn't he? He was small. He's basically running the best defence. Was he small, Carrick? He was the same size as me. I think he might have been just on six foot.

8:34Ian Wright: No, he's not that small. He's smaller than that. 5 '10", maybe. Yeah.

8:38Gary Neville: 5 '9".

8:39Ian Wright: I'm telling you, I tell you. Wow.

8:41Gary Neville: 5 '9". What are you, Gavin? I could have been the centre-half. 5 '10". Oh, yeah? Yeah. But he's... He's spring, though. He's springing. I'm reading the game, obviously. So, when Benitez first comes into Liverpool, his whole thing, and like a lot of coaches, probably coaches right now, it's Pep, isn't it? Then, if you go back 20 years, it was always a real sacky. It was always AC Milan. and everyone's person was a real sacky. So he used to show us tapes of it and how he wanted the defence, pushing up, making the team really hard to beat. That was a big thing for Milan. So I was always sort of obsessed with him because of the team.

9:16Probably the best team we've seen before, I would say, Pep's Barcelona comes onto the scene, that Milan team. So I was always obsessed with him. But the thing that I love more than anything about him, and I think of how good he was, was in the World Cup, Roy, where did you play in the first game? Yeah. You beat them 1-0. He got injured, didn't he? He got injured in the first game. So it was a knee operation. So he gets a knee operation in the first game of the World Cup. He doesn't play till the final. And he's playing against Romario and Bebeto in the final. The game's 0-0. He's famous, he's remembered for missing the penalty, if you like.

9:51Of course he was, yeah. For his performance in that game. He's had a knee injury. He plays one game, doesn't play till the final. Mark's the best player in the tournament out the game. and there's actually a YouTube like sort of 10 minutes of just Beresi in that game and it's like you're just watching it again oh my god the level of opposition the pressure there's some great

10:12Gary Neville: YouTube clips of Saki with the back four on YouTube if you want to go and watch it by the way Saki's back four pushing up the pitch the sort of offside and then to top it all I I went to watch my land derby which was on my birthday which was no my birthday's all late January it was always around FA Cup fourth round so we weren't involved with Sky I think I just got to Sky so the Milan it's coach of L now don't you yeah yeah yeah but then it was Milan I thought you said we weren't involved when you were a player you got knocked out so it takes James to the Milan derby it was AC Milan with the home team so got the ticket through AC Milan they were brilliant looked after us in a lounge and stuff like that so just sit down and in this not director's box but nice seats and then Beresi sits next to us and I'm like, oh my God.

11:02And then James obviously doesn't know who he is. So then before the game, so I'm trying to explain to James who this player is, blah, blah, blah. Franco Beresi's there. And then, you know in Italy where they sort of, they drop flags, don't they, from the top? Yeah, it rolls down, yeah. And it's just like, boom, they drop this flag and it was in. So he's sat there, this flag's there and I'm just going, well, think of how good AC Milan are all the players. That's him there, that's him on the flag. so for me he was always like a hero of mine and obviously follow him on Instagram he's not got a clue I am but I do the odd message to him on Instagram you know I'm just hoping for something back it's probably his guy isn't it how many games did he play did he play like he would have been that 600 700 he was

11:43Roy Keane: we'll find out has he ever replied to you no what I mean is he probably doesn't do his thing does he but it's just my little thing of like letting him know that I love him then how did you get the no this is not you know what this is something I've bought so it wasn't like I've given the shirt and he signed it to be fair but it's like one of them 532 games for Milan I thought it would have been

12:04Gary Neville: more than that actually oh total official appearances across all competition 719 532 Serie A wow that's still a lot 719 across all comps 81 for Italy

12:18how many trophies did he win he looked kind of all and frail when he played a little bit didn't he I bet if you met him street, he's a centre-half. He just looked at like...

12:26Roy Keane: How old is he now? He looked like a right-back. How he'd be? About?

12:28Gary Neville: He'd look like a right-back. Yeah. What age is he? No, would he be... He's late 60s. 65. Three Champions Leagues, three Super Cups, one Cup Winners' Cup, six Serie A titles, one Coppa Italia. Isn't it... Obviously, Jill's a bit younger. You don't remember him. You don't know this guy playing a smad, innit? It's weird, innit? It's good though. One of the greats. Of course it is, yeah. One of the greats. It almost... That team, as I said, a little bit like Pep, they almost change football. Everyone copies them. That's how big they were. He had some good lads around him that helped. Oh, yeah, they had some good players there.

13:00But it was interesting, when I went back with England and Capello was the manager, and one of the reasons I went back was because of, like, this is the guy who managed all these, you know, and the train and the organisation. And Capello didn't really speak that much, to be honest, or get to know, but I asked him about him because I was just obsessed with him. and he just said him v Borezi in training, him v Van Basten in training, it was just like, you know what I mean? It was just like 1v1s, 2v2s, and he said it was just like, it was just like completely different levels. So, yeah, that's why I brought him in.

13:33Gary Neville: We've got a lot to live up to here, so good for a show and tell. Righty, we're going to move over to you.

13:36Ian Wright: You shouldn't have started with Jamie. Well, mine's actually not football.

13:39Gary Neville: Oh, no, it doesn't have to be football. It can be anything.

13:41Ian Wright: It's my bike, really. Obviously, I couldn't bring the bike. That's your helmet? You brought your helmet. Yeah, brought me helmet, yeah.

13:49Gary Neville: What's the reason he's got his helmet off? Well, it's just... The big one. What's the reason with the yellow visor that Suvi is?

13:54Ian Wright: No, there's no reason to it. It's just like... That fit my head, isn't it? Well, that fit my head. You know what that's... Righty came to see me one night on the bike, didn't you? You made an effort where I was in London. Yeah, it was in London. Righty turned up on his bike, lads. You see the... Would that fit you guys? Is that a... What's that? No, no, no. That's just the... Air breathe. Yeah. I've been knocked off a couple of times, but like that's my you got a picture of your bike it's my hey the bike it's so cool your head's quite small

14:15Roy Keane: what bike is it

14:16Ian Wright: it's a triumphant it's done up it will fit in it will be a squeeze

14:22Roy Keane: get it off

14:23Ian Wright: get it off get it off get it off you know I've got how do you get this visor uprighty oh no it's there triumph firm you've seen it in your you go round on doing a bike righty you know in the like all this summer I used to me and my mates Eddie Mitchell we used to ride all around Europe on the Harleys or used to go to different rallies. But in London, I always ride, it's the freedom. I was trying to get Roy to get a bike because you can be with 15, 20 people when we used to ride to Italy and you're still on your own and it's just a nice free feeling. It was just nice. I had a scooter. Riding around London, honestly.

14:58Gary Neville: I had a scooter and got one of the... What's the licence is called that you need? The one day thing?

15:03Ian Wright: Yeah, the silly one.

15:04Gary Neville: I want to do that. It runs out after three years so I had to basically renew it to do it again. But I was doing it around Manchester and stuff You love it? Yeah. I loved it.

15:12Ian Wright: You know something? It's even like my electric bike. You're dangerous to round it. I've learned it. What is? Not as dangerous as the actual... So you know what's good, like... The delivery bikes are dangerous. Yeah, but they're because they've got those little... That's what, CVT licenses. When do you drive that? They drive like crazy. They're just trying to get somewhere because they cause a lot of accidents. Who do? Because they're not driving properly. There's a certain way you should be riding on the road and they're just coming inside, undertaking and coming through traffic and... Is it because of the traffic in London, righty, that you would have a bite of?

15:41Ian Wright: You know what? It does help. It's simply because it's so tough to get around. You know, it's so tough to get around in London, but, like, just for the actual... Just riding about and the freedom of it. To ride it.

15:52Roy Keane: You know, when I always think with helmets, you know, when it's raining, how does the rain not, like, block your view?

15:58Ian Wright: No, Jill.

15:59Roy Keane: Like, I know it doesn't got wipers. That's a good... You know, as well, Jill, you've got some gloves. You don't go out when it's...

16:04Ian Wright: I've got some gloves. It's kind of like some red ring gloves, they're cool gloves, and they've got a kind of bit of leather that sticks out a little bit longer, so you could just almost do a windscreen wipe a bit.

16:14Gary Neville: I was on a bike yesterday, right? I get the taxi bikes in London all the time from the games. Brilliant, aren't they? Brilliant. Just strange.

16:21Ian Wright: It's just like, for me, the freedom of it. And when you say you're going to get somewhere, you get there. Yeah, you get there, yeah, on time. I've been riding it all summer and I just realised how. You could do it when you were a player. Did you do it when you were a player? You know, the problem, I bought a bike, I bought a Harley in, it's crazy, really, in like 1997. 1997, I think it was just after the Euros, and I had a Harley. It was a fat boy. And I remember I was riding that on a Saturday, like a Sunday. I'd ride around the M25 just to have some people, just a nice ride. And I remember I went in one time to see Mr.

16:56Ian Wright: Dean to say, Mr. Dean, what would it cost me to get insurance on a motorbike? And he didn't even answer. He just laughed, like, say, were you crazy? and by then I've been riding it for two years but like it's the freeness, it's the freedom of it that I love more than anything else I agree with that, right?

17:15Roy Keane: I love like cars and motorbikes

17:17Gary Neville: and you're anonymous as well

17:19Ian Wright: you know, well the thing is and plus one of my people won't know him, maybe Steve McQueen Steve McQueen's my real style icon and everything my bike, I'm going to try and find now is made off of, you know the film The Greatest State If we Googled your name, we'd find it. What, you'd find it quicker? Yeah. No, man, where did you go?

17:40Roy Keane: Go on. Type in bike. Have you got data?

17:42Ian Wright: No, no. Just carry on. Jill, we're going to move on to yours while Wright is finding bike.

17:48Gary Neville: Well, this is actually a little bit embarrassing

17:51Roy Keane: because it was a bit last minute, wasn't it? It was. I got back quite late last night. Don't apologise to you. Exactly.

17:56Ian Wright: Here we go, one sec. One sec. Right here we go.

17:59Roy Keane: Oh, yeah, that's nice. Oh, Jesus. That is actually nice. Oh, wow.

18:04Ian Wright: So, you know, I made it off of that film. That's a good-looking bike. When Steve McQueen done the Great Escape film, that's that same colour bike, same... How much would that cost, right, eh? Triumph done a great deal for me. Probably that would have cost me, I think, it came in about 12 grand or something. Wow. Thanks.

18:20Gary Neville: You want to say it again?

18:21Roy Keane: Is it quick, like, if you drop a revit?

18:24Ian Wright: No, no, no. It's only got four gears.

18:26Roy Keane: Ah.

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20:44Roy Keane: Right, Jill, you're up. Jill, you're up. So basically, I'm like scrambling around in the dark last night. I took something off one of the walls and then this is meant to be a Sunderland shirt but it's actually a red Nike top because I thought it was my Sunderland shirt. Oh, Jill! But let's just pretend it is a Sunderland shirt. Oh, no. Because I wanted to talk about Sunderland because I obviously grew up in Sunderland and I think being a young girl, five, six years old, just fell in love with football and I was so grateful to be from Sunderland because I felt like it was accepting of me playing football.

21:17Roy Keane: Then my grandad got us a season ticket for Sunderland Football Club. He used to go to the pub, buy a pint of beer, and he'd get two tickets for the bus. And me and him, I was only eight, nine years old, would go to every Sunderland game. Used to watch Kevin Phillips, Michael Gray, Julio Arca. Everybody says Jack Grealish started the little shin pads. It was definitely Julio Arca. So these were the players I used to look up to, and then on a Sunday, I'd try and play like them. And I've just absolutely loved being from Sunderland, got to play for the Sunderland women's team, and loved following the team.

21:46Roy Keane: So I wanted to tell that little story, because then I wanted to do a bit of a full circle moment. So starting off playing football in Sunderland, obviously with the boys a lot of the time, fell in love with Sunderland Football Club. And then I took this off the wall, which is actually a letter from Prince William. So when I got my 150th England cap, he sent us a handwritten letter and he sent us one when I retired as well. So it's just really special because I think how I just started off with this passion of loving football.

22:17Gary Neville: Your journey. Never ever fought like the future king. Read us the letter, Jim.

22:22Roy Keane: I wanted to write ahead of your friendly with Northern Ireland later this month to congratulate you on 150 international appearances for the Lionesses. This is a tremendous milestone to reach and you should be incredibly proud of all you have achieved in your career at a date. I know the rest of the team rely on you a great deal, both for your skill and professionalism, but also for your fun and good humour. In other words, I was a laugh, couldn't play football. I hear you were back at Everton on loan and wish you the very best of success for the rest of the season. And, of course, good luck with the forthcoming internationals.

22:53Roy Keane: Keep hacking those shins, Jill, because I slide-tackled him once when we were opening this sports centre up in Sunderland, like 15 years ago, and he always remembers that. I've seen him a month ago and he's brought it up again. But I'm also... So, from starting that journey, I'm thinking the future king wouldn't know anything about my career. That's amazing, Jill.

23:13Ian Wright: It's quite a full-circle moment.

23:15Roy Keane: and also I'm going to manifest that I want to get Prince William on the podcast.

23:20Gary Neville: Yeah. Well done, Jill. Well done, Jill. Great story. Great story. Well done.

23:25Roy Keane: I need to put this back on the wall when I get home before Shelley realise it's gone.

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24:03I'm not sure you're going to help me here, right? Do you know what? I just brought up a few jerseys. I know we kind of... I brought jerseys on before. Which one do you like best? What about that? Let's start making best. It's just different. This is my Forrest Cup final one. Again, I was trying to find stuff last night. You're on about memories, stuff. It's really weird because...

24:17Ian Wright: That's so cool. When you look at it, you can actually see them walking out now. I remember this button was undone, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me undo that.

24:24Gary Neville: So that's the FA Cup final against Spurs. That's the Cup final against Spurs, yeah. You wore long sleeve, Roy? Yeah, I think we didn't have a choice. I think at Forest when I was a bit younger, I think. How old are you, Roy, in that Cup final? I would have been 19. Wow.

24:35Roy Keane: 19, yeah. Is that the size of it? Look at the size of it. That must have drowned you. Yeah. I've got long hair. No, no, it wasn't too bad. But you look at jerseys, I was looking at some United ones last night going, they seem big, yeah. But obviously I was a bit... What's the ball? Like the first one, the journey about getting to Forest, that was my first opportunity. Then cup final, you think it's great. Then you lose the cup final. So you're on that rollercoaster. What's the one thing you remember? What's the one thing, if you could pick one thing that you remember from that cup final? Truthfully, starting tickets out.

25:04Seriously? Even before the Gaza? Yeah. Starting tickets out really was hard work. Yeah. It always was for you though. Yeah, it seemed to be. but that day in particular

25:13Gary Neville: when Roy was captain at United so it's a weird system where you got 51 tickets there were 17 in the squad I just remember it being and you got three each and basically sort of like if someone wanted two then there might be one but Roy had to go around everybody before the game and navigate who wanted two for every away games for every away game and home games as well but it's hard work the same for the other captains obviously Eric Robbo, Bruce it was hard work I'm guessing it's a bit more organised now but yeah on a match day trying to sort tickets and then tickets for the lounge. There was many times I stood at Old Trafford.

25:45Many times I stood at Old Trafford, I'd go back to the tickets at Wembley, at Old Trafford. We're playing a game, obviously just says three o 'clock kick-off and we come in and I'm on the phone, if you remember, to the ticket office because lads who were suspended are coming in, injured lads going, I'm short one. And I'd be on the phone in the corridor about ten to three, ten minutes before kick-off. You know you come in before you go back out and I'm going, can you get, we need Maisie, it could be anybody, Sharpie, we just, you've got two more send them down and I'd be doing that and I'd be getting ready for it

26:11Gary Neville: I think I've said this before so when Roy left and I became captain I did it for like two games and I literally went that is not because my preparation was like everything to me so lads would be coming up to me like an hour half an hour before kick off oh I forgot to put these tickets on and I went Giggsie I'm sorry I know that I'm supposed to do this I cannot do that I cannot do that it was honestly our dressing room before a game we were talking about preparation preparation was absolutely perfect and the last hour before the game, the telly would be on. There'd be people fucking singing in the chorus, dancing, fucking about, laughing and then basically there'd be tickets being sorted.

26:46Gary Neville: Gaffrey would be walking in asking about a horse or something and it's like, what the fuck is going on? I had to go and sit in the actual players' lounge toilet. Seriously, together. I had to sit in the players' lounge toilet on my own. Players' lounge toilet. Players' lounge toilet on my own, same toilet every week and sit there for five, ten minutes just to get myself together. Fuck.

27:00Roy Keane: Did you need a ticket?

27:03Gary Neville: I got rid of the job. I'm afraid that's for a two ticket. I would have never thought that. Honestly,

27:07Ian Wright: because when it as wound down to total tight, that was wrong. But you know what, strange enough, I think it was a good way for everyone, not tickets at the last minute, but the TV, nobody was sitting there going, almost a game took care of itself. The lads that were injured

27:20Gary Neville: that weren't playing, they'd be in there messing around as well. So when you came back in from the actual warm-up and it was like seven minutes to kick-off or eight minutes to kick-off, the lads would be in there, the telly would be on and be like, do I not fucking telly off now? But then lads would come at the last minute going, can I get a ticket someone's let me down and you're like and I'm back on the phone and I'm kicking off in 10 minutes honestly but the cup fine go back to that one so I'm trying to get tickets but every away game my first year of Forest you go to a away match Pearcey would give you the tickets on a match day on a away match so I thought it was the same format so I gave all my obviously all my tickets were gone to family from Ireland but my two brothers were coming I said I'll give you your two tickets on the day so on the way to on the way to Wembley I said to Pearcey Pearcey have you got my two tickets for the cup fine he went no the cup fine is different it's not like a league match you're supposed to collect that during the week in the office and I went and your brothers are coming so my two brothers are coming so I'm getting stripped I'm going for the warm up and I've just come back from an ankle injury so I get I think obviously the game is a trickle you go a bit earlier because you're obviously meeting people I go to my two brothers at Wembley but I've got money with me because after the game I'm thinking I'll obviously be going on a session one way or the other and I had about a thousand pound on me so I gave to my brothers I went you have to go and buy two tickets lads I forgot my two tickets I left so my two brothers went right so I gave him£1 ,000 window I got warmed up came back in your brothers are back at the gates you know the big gates at Wembley so I go back out to him I'm going to say this is about again 20 to 3 again it's a bit earlier because again you have to meet people and I went no we can only buy one ticket for£1 ,000 because it was Spurs it was London and one of them wouldn't buy one without the other so they went here's your money back we're obviously we're going to miss it so I go back in the dressing room cup fine and I'm like and Des I'm sitting next to Des Walker and Des went everything I went I forgot my two tickets and my two brothers I've got two spits.

29:00Roy Keane: Oh, no way. Did you give him the thousand pounds? You know what the thing is? I gave to him, I went, I don't know. To have cut final tickets. I've got a game in 10 minutes. Oh, my God. Obviously, they got in, but all the hassle of the tickets, and that went on for years and years. And then what happens is when you're playing, like you would have experienced no doubt the same. So then you try and get tickets for a match, but then that's not good enough. It's got to be a match and the lounge afterwards. And then even they got to the stage later on in the microwave, I went, we're not too worried about the match, but can we get another lunch?

29:30Because there might be a free bar or they might see a player they want to photograph or not. So that followed me throughout my career. A lot of that was my own fault, trying to please everybody. It's funny, you talk about that. Obviously, James is playing football now and I remember that myself of like tickets and I'm like, if I find out that anyone is on to him before the game or the day of the game, if anyone goes to him for the ticket, I'm like a lunatic. No, I do that now with people.

29:53Roy Keane: Because you've been scarred by. Yeah, but people text you, not to the extreme of that, but you're sort of before the game and you're thinking, oh, you run them round just before you get in your strip and you're trying.

30:02Ian Wright: Yeah, but you're still doing it now with Arsenal. You start to, once it starts to rise, the amount of people that are calling for tickets all the time. I remember that used to get me as well. When I first started, I used to get loads of tickets and then as it, people then started to take the piss. Wanted to come every week and then want to come to away games and then all of a sudden, you know, you're needing to, I remember that was the time. I was buying tickets. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was buying tickets out of my money to make sure that people... Of course. That's a retro one. Iconic, Adidas, De Shamrock on the side.

30:29They've kind of gone back to that now. These are just bits I picked up last night. And obviously there's a United one from the cup final.

30:36Roy Keane: That shirt's iconic though, isn't it? No, no, but again, this is... What year is this? Again, you're looking at the jersey. 99, of course. But obviously I go off injured after it. So you're looking at cup finals in the high. But again, you go off injured after a few minutes. You get a bad tackle on me. Losing cup finals. Are you playing with Ireland? Did I know they had a zip on this one? Did that shirt you stop late? Zip. and you know I was looking at stuff last night it's stuff you come across I've had like a bit of an ear you think of all the years you've played football with especially at United and the connections you make with people it's massive we always say football is about good people but the sadness of football remember poor Jimmy Davis Jimmy Davis who passed away found that last night I went to the funeral Kath obviously Kath a few months ago

31:13Ian Wright: oh see at the club yeah Kath he passed away a few months ago so you've got a young player passing away when he's younger you've got Kath who's been there how many years at United left was it 50 40-50 years and these are just pictures it was nice

31:26Gary Neville: they opened the training ground the other day and they actually put a memorial of Kath yeah I saw that but like you've got Kath who's been a long time then you've got a young player losing his life 21 and then photographs here of people have come across and there's yeah see that black and white one yeah that's it when I get in the trophy with a rock one that's just a all these little memories because people don't have photographs anymore it's all in your form and do you know what I found a couple of old contracts your contracts a couple of me United contracts be heavy no you can have a look at it my wages are on I have no problem having a look at it If you look at the wager on the back, I don't know what year that is.

31:55Wow. Let's have a look at this. Your wagers are good. I don't know what year that is. Look who's facing this one, Drew. It's really strange. So just, again, I...

32:01Roy Keane: Which one is he? Is that...

32:05Ian Wright: What year is that now? It's really strange. You see when people see the contracts. I'm just going to give you the details. Yeah, I don't mind.

32:11Gary Neville: This is a contract that was signed in 19th of July 1993 with a basic wage. Sorry, I'm lying. And you're reading it. The player's employment began in 1993. So this is Roy's contract that he signed. When I first went to United, did I? You signed a contract in 2000 for£950 ,000 a year, which is£20 ,000 a week. Yeah. Is that including signing on fees, Nev? Is that just your wage? It's just a basic wage. Right. So you've got to sign on fee on top of that. Yeah, I'll have a look inside. But then you've got the contract that was signed in 2003. Sorry, there's a short-term contract, looks like it, to be fair.

32:47Gary Neville: They've obviously signed an extension. Yeah. So there's a contract that's£950 ,000. But then there's basically a contract for£2.75 million a year in 2000 to 2003. Was that when you were...? Maybe. But that's what I think... What's that one? Jamie, what's that? That's my last contract. This is this. Never have a look at that one. Signed non-free for a million. Wow. To what? A million signed non-free. Oh, was that what I wanted? She got£3.75 million a year. Yeah, look at this one. I think that was my last contract. It's gone from there to there.

33:11Roy Keane: I read that as£1 ,000 signed non-free. Yeah.

33:14Gary Neville: Is that a renewal, that one? Yeah, you've renewed that. So you've gone to£3.5 million per annum in 2003, to 2005. Yeah, but when did he start there? And then they put your wage down. Yeah, because then you're getting older and the incentives are to play more. Yeah, they did on that to me in the last year, of course. Wow. So the incentives then is to obviously make sure you're playing. You got this.

33:32Roy Keane: Do you get taxed on a million? So Roy's gone, of course. Yeah, of course.

33:35Gary Neville: This looks like it's an extension because it's 9.16, so it's like part of a year. Then he's gone 3 million, 3.53. Yeah. But that's not sign on fee. There's sign on fees then. Sign on fee inside of this. What does it say? You see those? A million pounds a year, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005. So that was my last contract at United.

33:51Roy Keane: A million pounds signing on for you. Oh, my God. You told me yesterday what you earned yesterday, and I thought that was when you were underpaid.

34:00Gary Neville: That's double what I was earning in my last contract. But he's three times the player. I've been sure I changed. He left seven years after me. I finished on 2.3.

34:13Ian Wright: Wow, girl.

34:14Gary Neville: In 2011. 11.

34:16Ian Wright: You were underpaid. No, to be fair though, I just, I'm just saying,

34:20Gary Neville: I didn't negotiate my contracts, I just signed them, I wasn't bothered. Whatever they offered me, apart from one with Peter Kenyon, whatever they offered me, I just say, that's fine, no problem. I don't have one with Peter Kenyon, yeah, that deal, yeah. Peter Kenyon, to be fair, I had a haggle with him, because the reason I haggled with Peter over one contract, was because I'd heard someone else in the dressing room, I can't remember what it was, had got like 250 grand more, and I just thought, no, I'm the same as them, just give me the same I don't want more I'm not being awkward here so why did you think that you heard something in the dressing room but they told me basically that they'd basically been offered 250 grand more so I just said to be fair just don't take the piss out of me you know what I mean I'm out of the piss so basically I just signed I signed a five year contract a seven a six so I signed basically and this was by the time I was 30 I think from 31 I was like literally getting one year contracts towards the end but I signed something like 15 years of contracts in the space for about five or six years I thought the piss was about me Yeah, I'm just saying.

35:15Gary Neville: But your wage, Roy, your wage that lasts is four and a half million a year. Yeah, but the difference with me, if you remember, a couple of times my contract was running out. Running out, yeah. Because that four and a half million at the time that Roy signed in that period was when he was having, obviously, the... I'd done my cruise ship. When I came back to my cruise ship, my contract was running out. It's high. And I did want to wait for me to see if I came back. That's the highest wage, I think, at that time that Man United would have ever paid by a mile. He would have been double, deservedly, he'd been double everybody else in the dressing room.

35:39Yeah, but that was all kind of strangely accidental. It wasn't me being clever. It was just that when I came back, United let me miss contract. So what, will Giggsie have been on the same card as you? I'm trying to free, accidentally. And you know, I went, oh, he's back.

35:50Gary Neville: Giggsie scolded towards the end. They went to another. No, they've been big money.

35:53Roy Keane: Did people take you for granted, though, because you were loyal? Do you know what I'm saying? Because I feel like they would never have thought you'd leave.

35:58Gary Neville: I genuinely thought, honestly, I genuinely thought, I think I signed a contract for 1.5, and I signed a contract for 2.25, when I was like late 20s, you know, 30s. And I just thought, that's more than enough. I'm fine. I'm up with that.

36:09Roy Keane: Yeah. You don't like that now, though, are you?

36:12Ian Wright: I am, actually. I signed contracts for you. I objected, yeah. Gary's got that vibe. You don't lose it. If you're doing it then, you're not going to not do it now. Even when you're in contracts with me for this, I tend to offer people what they want. When I was a player, and even a little bit now, I think if you're enjoying what you're doing, there's no need to get into a fight. You want to get as much as you can. We're all human. But I think I'm enjoying what I'm doing. It's a good job, yeah. You know what I couldn't understand is that when you, like, with the Palace, I knew I was doing great stuff and he was just...

36:45Ian Wright: He just didn't give it to me. You have to learn. You have to learn how to do it, don't you? We'd all look back at contracts we've signed. We should have maybe tweaked that. You don't know about photographs. Sorry, I want to look at that. You don't know about your family. The ups and downs of football. When you see your family after Wembley, you win a big game. Is that your mum and dad? Yeah. Honestly. Oh, wow. That's a nice picture. That's actually enough, mate.

37:06Roy Keane: That is. Brilliant.

37:08Ian Wright: it's a good one pass it back

37:11Roy Keane: that's why photographs are so good to keep though aren't they like people have photographs instead of on the phone that's a beautiful let me see you there I'm in a United top there but that's my brother's I think the Spurs one was sold out that's in a United kit there in the background look this is Jesus how old never know that picture never look how old were you then there than Roy I would have been 13 maybe 13 or 14 he's blown up Jack. Where's that, Roy?

37:37Gary Neville: After the game in the final? No, it could have been after any game.

37:41Ian Wright: Which final was this one, Gap? Which final was this? Was it 99? No, I think that would have been... I actually think that would have been the Chelsea.

37:48Roy Keane: How mad that he's wearing that kit, age 13, and then goes on... Do you want to see that? I always think things like that is, like, mad. So you all think I was greedy, but it was just accident. You got 20 grand for a car. What car did you pick? There you go. What year is that? Is that my first contract? 1996, 20 grand. Six for a car. Yeah, but they just give you the money you got. I can't remember. Oh, so do you not actually go and buy a car? No, not if you buy a car. That's just a contribution I think they give to you. But even my first car at United, they gave me a Golf R. First thing, yeah. Roy the Red.

38:20Did they have a red SL? Oh, I did have a... No, I had a Forest, Gary.

38:24Roy Keane: A red what? A Mercedes. It wasn't a Ferrari. I have a picture somewhere. You're not a Ferrari? No, it was a Mercedes. The SL, the 2C. I came to United. No, it wasn't an SL. Right, Gary, what you got?

38:33Gary Neville: I don't think I feel I can bring my things out now, to be fair. I've got no football stuff in my house. I never have had. So this morning, well, yesterday, when we decided we were going to do this, I brought two music things.

38:46Roy Keane: Well, you turned up with nothing then. I turned up with nothing because I didn't know

38:50Gary Neville: we were doing this properly, to be fair. Give us ten minutes. Sorry, Gary, we're just trying to put this back in here.

38:56Roy Keane: I think that.

38:57Ian Wright: I don't know.

38:58Roy Keane: He's going to get the guest. He killed himself going last, hasn't he?

39:04Roy Keane: He didn't have anything this morning. He had to send someone to his house. He's always got people doing stuff for him.

39:09Gary Neville: Who's got this guitar? That can't have got nicked. Did he?

39:13Ian Wright: Here we go. Nice one, Gary. Can we pull it off? Oh, they didn't unwrap it? What is it? Has anyone got a knife or something?

39:26Roy Keane: Right.

39:27Ian Wright: Some scissors?

39:28Gary Neville: Edit this bit, everyone. No, keep this in.

39:31Ian Wright: Is there a knife or scissors? Scissors? Any other podcasts that have knives? Can I be honest? Watching even Noel, he's good, man.

39:39Roy Keane: Yeah. I give him that. I liked his statement. I give him that. You know when he did the... Someone is teasing. Yeah, he's good. They entertain people and people are loving it. I get it. I just think it's a shitty vibe. You know when Noel did his three, four songs, I loved that. It was nice.

39:53Ian Wright: People loved it as well. I can't remember that. Honestly, I loved it. You were on the tube. You missed the uncle. I think Liam is one of the great frontmen. he's just got it there's something about him it's just amazing they're just annoying me against that city vibe they can write songs bro would you not go?

40:15Roy Keane: Wembley maybe

40:18Ian Wright: Richard Ashcroft parking up tubes

40:21Roy Keane: you can't mention Oasis

40:23Ian Wright: you've got to mention Ashcroft bro

40:25Gary Neville: right here we go

40:27Roy Keane: wow Gary that's brilliant

40:29Gary Neville: So, someone bought me a Union Jack guitar because Noel was playing me one back in the day and I used to like Oasis a lot and I was learning guitar. So, there you go. So, Dave Gardner and Bex knew Noel. So, they sent it to him for me to sign it. They said, we can get it signed.

40:46Ian Wright: What's he say, girl?

40:47Gary Neville: And this is the... Let me just take it over. Here we go. Dear Gary, how many caps have you got for England? How many do you think you deserved? I'll tell you. Fucking none. Lots of love, Noel Gallagher. That's 20 years old, that.

41:02Roy Keane: Wow.

41:03Gary Neville: That's 23 years old. Why would he say that? Yeah, at the time he was a... Obviously he's a Mad City fan, but this is probably 20, 25 years old. Why would you say that, Doug?

41:12Ian Wright: You know something?

41:14Gary Neville: Maybe you could have put it to the side a little bit.

41:16Ian Wright: It's a joke, I think. I mean, it's a joke.

41:18Gary Neville: I take it in the spirit. I hope it's a joke.

41:22Ian Wright: It's not a good joke. Can I just say that the fucking nun in capital letters doesn't make it funny. Oh, man.

41:32Gary Neville: You play it now, have you? No, no. You can't play it? No, no. I never played it. What are you thinking about? I've not even got it up in my house. The way it was wrapped then, have you got that wrapped? Was that wrapped in your house? Oh, here we go. So that was wrapped in my house, just literally, I don't even have it up. I should put it up on the wall. I thought you might have something. Just, I don't have anything up in football. You see, I don't have anything. When you do that, you've got to do it like you're going to, you do that, and then you go, right. Is it something like museum? It's something like museum.

41:57Gary Neville: Try to finger me. And this one's a little bit nicer, but you'll take the piss out of them first.

42:04Roy Keane: Yes, righty.

42:05Gary Neville: So, I need to read this. Someone take this, Jesus.

42:08Ian Wright: It's so rude.

42:09Gary Neville: What's Bruce Springsteen with? So, basically, Bruce Springsteen stayed at my hotel and he hired it exclusively for, I don't know, let's say two weeks. And I did him a welcome note, but I didn't go and see him, I just wrote him a welcome note. So, basically, I did him a welcome note and he wrote me a little note back. thank you for the note I don't even want to be fair what was your note, what did it say? so it's a bit soppy my note what was it? we'll do you a good read if you come back next year welcome to Manchester and to our hotel we pride ourselves on looking after every guest equally and with care but for you I had to write a note back in January 1985 a month before my 10th birthday I was watching Top of the Pops at home and saw something different something that made me fall in love with guitar music and it was dancing in the dark The day after I ran into the bus stop to catch a bus into my hometown, Bury, only a few miles from Manchester to the only record shop in the town called Vibes to buy my first ever album, Born in the USA, I was in.

43:09Gary Neville: Me and my dad would listen to this record in the car all the time. They were great times and I wish he was here to see you play live with me. I have no words for how good you are and how you make us all feel. I will be with you watching on the 17th and 20th in Manchester and coming to San Sebastian in Milan. I'd watch you every damn day if I could. Please enjoy Manchester, enjoy the people, and I hope you enjoy the hotel. All my love, Gary Neville.

43:29Ian Wright: That's not soppy, girl. I love that.

43:32Roy Keane: Why do you say that's soppy?

43:33Gary Neville: Thank you for the note, and this is why I do what I do.

43:37Roy Keane: Bruce Springsteen.

43:37Gary Neville: It's my job. It's my job. No, listen to him.

43:42Roy Keane: That's what he said. He heard what he said.

43:43Gary Neville: This is why I do what I do. It's my job.

43:48Roy Keane: Bruce Springsteen, Roy Keane.

43:52Roy Keane: Is that where you got it?

43:54Gary Neville: These two pletrums here, the nice story about this is, right, so basically Bruce went in the hotel, he had these pletrums in his pocket and he went over to one of the staff in the hotel and gave them the two pletrums, I want you to have these for looking after me. And the member of the staff in the hotel said, I want you to have them.

44:10Roy Keane: Beautiful.

44:11Gary Neville: I love autographed stuff like that.

44:14Roy Keane: Oh, mate. Yeah.

44:16Gary Neville: So they framed it for me, the hotel, and presented it to me. That's cool.

44:19Ian Wright: God, that's beautiful, man.

44:20Roy Keane: I think that's lovely.

44:21Gary Neville: That's the best one, isn't it? That's the best one, yeah.

44:25Roy Keane: Gary, you need to get all these put up. You want that?

44:28Gary Neville: No, I don't put them up, though. Bruce Prince need a helmet. We should have put a helmet. That's my best piece of memorabilia, that. That's beautiful, isn't it? Right, so, show and tell. Nice. You like show and tell? I like show and tell. We've had laughs, we've had tears, we've had a bit of anger.

44:44Roy Keane: Yeah.

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46:32Gary Neville: Right, we've got a community question. And it's basically hit or miss. will this signing we've basically got the top 10 signings in terms of monetary terms in the Premier League will they be a hit or a miss a bit harsh this one actually I think

46:47Ian Wright: so the first one

46:50Gary Neville: obviously number one signing of the summer in terms of money is Florian Verts Liverpool 100 million will he be a hit or a miss hit I think he's going to be

47:01Roy Keane: one of the best players this season

47:02Gary Neville: he should be with that money ok second Eketike Liverpool Poole, 82.5 million. Hit or miss? We should create a middle one. Not sure.

47:12Ian Wright: Yeah.

47:13Gary Neville: Shouldn't we?

47:13Ian Wright: We'll just do it now, girl, because like...

47:15Gary Neville: Hit, not sure, miss.

47:18Ian Wright: You know what's good is that he's actually scored the other day. It makes it easy. It makes it easy as a striker, girl.

47:25Gary Neville: I think it'll be a hit eventually, but I'm not sure that it's going to be a hit straight away.

47:31Ian Wright: You know why I'll go with a hit? Because just the way he took his chance the other day, and if he can get that kind of... You know what I like, Dre, T? What? The touch on the half way like that. Honestly, yeah. Little details, innit? I think he'll be a hit simply because Liverpool will create the chances and he will... If he's going to finish like that, he's going to be... I'm going to go with a hit.

47:47Gary Neville: So it's a stick-to-football hit? Yeah.

47:49Ian Wright: I'm going to go with a hit for a TK. For a TK.

47:52Gary Neville: Cesc O.

47:57Roy Keane: He's young, isn't he? Yeah. How old is he? 22. 22. I'm going to go not sure. Yeah, me too. Not sure. But not putting it all on him, I think it's the team he's going into as well. Of course, yeah. So I'm not like saying...

48:09Gary Neville: But I think we've seen what's happened with Hoyland, irrespective of whether it's on him or the team, you're still doing it at the end of the day.

48:15Roy Keane: I think United fans have to be patient with him.

48:17Ian Wright: Righty. I'm going to probably say, for the sake of the people around him, I'm probably saying not sure, but I think he'll do something, he'll score some goals. But even saying that, you saw Hoyland score some goals and you think, well, is it going to happen? So you're hoping he's not that, but I'm going to go not sure. Yeah, I'm not sure. not just because of him, I still think he's, I think he's better than Hoyland, but there's just so much focus on United. I saw him score a goal. So many young players there have failed because of the magnitude of the size of the club. I think it's, I mean, we're talking about finishing seventh, has been a good season.

48:49I saw him score a goal. You're still going to lose a lot of games. I saw him score a goal quick,

48:51Ian Wright: girl, what makes me feel like, you know what, he's got something, they put the ball through, and he's outside of the right. If you're scoring goals like that, you've got that confidence, you should be fine.

49:00Gary Neville: Do you know what I like about him, right, when you look at his goals, He does score all different types of goals, don't they, to be fair to him? He can head it. You know, he's six foot five, you know me? Anyway.

49:09Ian Wright: I'm going to go with hit for him. I'm going to say hit for him.

49:12Gary Neville: You're going to go hit. So, I think it's a stick to football, I'm not sure for now. Embermo. I think he'd be a hit. Yeah. I think he's tenacious, isn't he? I think he's got guts. He's dogged. Yeah.

49:22Ian Wright: He does it against all the team. I think he'll make it work. Yeah. I think so. Kunia.

49:27Roy Keane: Oh, I like him a lot.

49:29Gary Neville: I think he'd be a hit. He's got personality. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to give him a hit as well, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The next signing is Zubamendi, Arsenal.

49:39Ian Wright: Yeah. I think he'll be a hit. Yeah. Without a doubt. Yeah. Yeah, I do.

49:43Gary Neville: I do. We saw what he's doing a lot of there. Yeah, we're going with a hit. We're being very generous, yeah. That's 56.1 million. Next one, Victor Jokeres. Jokeres. Jokeres. 55.3 million.

49:55Ian Wright: Mm-hm.

49:55Gary Neville: Hit. Not sure or miss?

49:57Ian Wright: No, I'm going for a hit. I'm going for a hit. Yeah. I think hit. He's mental. his mental thought he just looks aggressive doesn't he if he stands there he'll just get chances I think that's the thing like even the goal he scored you know he's just ambling in there and that's that's what we need

50:11Gary Neville: Jao Pedro Chelsea is 55 million

50:16Roy Keane: hit because they're going to win the league he's made a good start he's been really well

50:20Gary Neville: if he play or De Lape which one plays him or De Lape Pedro Pedro plays I think I think De Lape's a lot to do to him I think United I'm sure because of the price involved. He was cheap and he was young and I get that.

50:33Ian Wright: I think with Cole Palmer behind him he's probably going to be a hit. He's a good player isn't he? He's going to do what Nicholas Jackson should have done for Cole Palmer. I'm going to say not sure. You're not sure? I'm going to probably go with a hit for him.

50:46Roy Keane: I'll go hit.

50:48Ian Wright: What are you going to?

50:48Roy Keane: To not sure. I think I'm going to go hit. OK.

50:52Gary Neville: I think I'm going to go hit. I think he'll do well. I think they've got some good players. That's all it is. Really good midfield players.

50:56Ian Wright: Some good players around him. Oh yeah. He'll jump.

50:58Gary Neville: Kudos, Tottenham. 55 million, same as El Pedro. That's a strange old deal, that, wasn't it? That was, yeah. You didn't see that one coming, did you? I'm not sure. I mean, Kudusiewski's injured, and he's a top player for them. He's a similar sort of attacking left foot on the right, coming in. But I do like Kudos in his first season, but he dropped off badly last season. Is that down to West Ham? Or is that down to him?

51:21Ian Wright: He dropped off, James. I'm not sure. That's why you need the consistency to be a hit, don't you? I'm going to probably go not sure.

51:27Roy Keane: And how the team's performing, isn't it, as well? Yeah, it does.

51:31Gary Neville: And last one, a bit of one out of left field, is Marcus Rashford, Barcelona. I know it's not a big sign in terms of the Premier League, but it's an amazing move for him, eh? I mean, I hope he does well. I think that him leaving is a poor reflection upon the club, but also him in terms of how it's gone in the last few years. But I just hope he can get his career back on track. What a move, by the way.

51:51Roy Keane: Do you think he'll start a lot?

51:52Gary Neville: Well, look, he's at Barcelona, and what a chance. you're talking about grabbing defeat from victory grabbing victory from defeat a little bit certainly he's got enough football intelligence to go over there and adapt to a different league different football different lifestyle has he got that intelligence on and off the pitch to make it work he's obviously a talented boy we know his strengths and that is running behind he kind of stopped doing that a little bit Roy you're in Barcelona maybe it's because I'm thinking of Barcelona 10 years ago it's slightly different now but they dominate a lot of games whereby they're high up the pitch and you've got teams behind the ball and you think Marcus is better when he's playing in a counter attacking system so when you're playing in tight areas That's why there's question marks a little bit.

52:27Gary Neville: So you think, I know he plays off that left-hand side, but when United had the team sat deep against him, you sometimes quite often saw him run the ball out of play a bit, didn't you, and stuff, and just be a bit scruffy. But, I mean, look, his confidence looks like he's... I'm going to say hit, just to try and get the good feel factor. I hope so.

52:44Ian Wright: I saw some stuff, even, you know, I was very surprised listening to certain people speaking about him. And so, not only because I want it to happen for him, but I think that this move for him at this stage, if it doesn't happen for you now, then it's never going to happen because if you can't realise that in yourself, you're a Barcelona at this stage. This is it now, isn't it? Unbelievable. He's looking to get that move, Annie. Barcelona almost feels like utopia. Honestly. Every player in the world, you get there. You've got to do amazing to get to a Barcelona. You know, sometimes you watch him and it's almost like he's sleepwalking through and in another game, he'll be on fire.

53:17Ian Wright: He has to be on fire with this club. And I speak to Thierry about what it's like playing for Barcelona. what the fans expect and he's going to have to go to another place in that respect so hopefully he can do that what a confidence boost

53:28Roy Keane: though that Barcelona one unbelievable do you know what I mean unbelievable move

53:31Ian Wright: hit or miss I'm going to go with hit but I'm not convinced I'm not sure I'm going to go with but one hit to be a hit I'm going to go with you know why because if you cannot if it doesn't drop now the penny you're at Barcelona for whatever reason for you not to find a consistency to do then it's never going to happen

53:47Gary Neville: that's what I think I think do you know something look being a football player is not easy it's not but I think you've got to do everything perfectly for 12 to 15 years depending on you've just got to do everything perfectly and I know that doesn't mean perfectly as in like we're all angels but you think about now you've got to think right okay Giggsie once said something like when he was going through a difficult moment in his form he'd take the butter off his toast you're looking at me quizzically but you know when you sort of like you have doubts in your mind oh I had butter last night oh I had thingy last night oh I had some sweets oh I had You put jam on it?

54:22Gary Neville: No, no. You know when football players get doubts in their mind? They put the wrong sock on first. Yeah, you put the wrong sock on or you've got the wrong tape. Footballers do start to get themselves into a little bit of a sort of negativity cycle. And if you just remove everything that could potentially be seen as deemed as a negative in your life and say, right, everything's perfect.

54:40Ian Wright: You know what's really... Listening to people talking about his material thing, it's just pathetic. What's the material thing? His gear, what he's got, his cars, his clothes. Oh, no, no, no. When you listen to people critiquing him, it's pathetic.

54:50Gary Neville: No, righty, that's not right. But look, to be fair, what people do when your football's not quite right, they look at these things. I agree with you, it's not right. I mean, to be fair, I played with some football players that were extravagant in terms of what they would... It's just a message you're sending, isn't it? Sometimes it's a message. It doesn't mean to say it's good or bad, but people pick up different messages, don't they? I agree. There shouldn't be people wishing him bad and wanting him not to do well, and there shouldn't be people talking too much about what he's actually doing in terms of what he's buying, in terms of clothes or what he's buying in terms of...

55:17Gary Neville: That's not a material. but what people do in football is if you're not playing well, they look for the reason.

55:23Roy Keane: Yeah, and what you surround yourself with.

55:25Gary Neville: Yeah, so what's the reason? Well, he was caught out having a night out, or he was basically, so has he got carried away? Has the money got to him? Has he been furnished with too much? You know, those people do start that, but it does happen.

55:38Roy Keane: I don't think all players actually reflect or think, oh, this isn't going well, let's look at myself and see what I can do better. I think the good players do, but I think a lot of them look for excuses. but I think the good players do look, should I have done that this week or what can I change? I think that's the difference sometimes. But it's even what he brings to the club, what his mentality is, who he brings with him. Has he got an entourage with him? I know it's nice to have people around you but sometimes it's nice to be grown up and go, no, you've grown yourself,

56:03Gary Neville: a new language, whatever it might be. And there's a bravery to that. I always say that in Punditry, by the way. I think if you're walking into a studio in Punditry, you don't want people walking in with two or three people around them.

56:12Roy Keane: It's not enough room. No, I'm just saying.

56:14Gary Neville: The point is... James, do you know anyone?

56:17Roy Keane: You just want to go get your job done.

56:19Ian Wright: Yeah. There's people sitting around on phones just waiting around. Right, OK. Your P is OK, isn't it? Yeah, of course. Stylist. Your barber. Your barber.

56:31Gary Neville: This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Arm Clothing. We've got a community questions here, which basically is slightly different. So, which former teammate would you take to watch a football game with? I'll start with that. I'll go Paul Scholes. Why? Why are you straying with that one? No, I wasn't struggling with it. For his knowledge or his humour or his company? Are you travelling on to London? You win him for like... No, Scholes is... Is it watch a football? Yeah, watch a football game with. I think Scholes sees a game very differently than I do. So it's quite interesting. I tell you, you still like watching a game of football with?

57:09Gary Neville: Glenn Hoddle. Oh, yeah. I tell you what, he thinks completely... I would look at a game of football and you might well be watching two completely different games of football if you watch it with Glenn. If you go back to it, I'm not being awkward here, but Scorsi and Glenn Hardell played in different positions and different ways of looking at the game. That's what I like. Sometimes you want to have a different outlook in the game. Righty striker, different midfielders, defenders.

57:27Ian Wright: Dennis Bergkamp would be interested to watch because he sees a different kind of thing.

57:31Gary Neville: Is it a former teammate? Sorry.

57:33Roy Keane: Yeah.

57:34Gary Neville: It says, which former teammate would you take to watch a football game with?

57:38Roy Keane: Mine's not. I actually, obviously it's not a teammate, but I did like watching the Salford game with you. Like just hearing, like little bits of it. Expertise. Yeah, like, I don't know, just little bits of information. Do you know, I like watching games by myself. Oh, thanks. Sorry, Jill. No, I enjoyed your company. I was like, oh, what's the best to call the game? It's true. It's true, Ron. I just wanted to be back. It's true. It's true. When I'm on TV and we're watching a game, obviously you've got a presenter, you probably might have another two or three pundits, you've got a floor manager in there.

58:09I watch a game and pick up more when I'm just sat around watching the TV. and then I've got to go on TV and talk about it and I haven't watched the game in the same way. There's too much going on. There's too much shabby. Yeah, there's too much going on. If I'm just sat at home, that's where I feel I can watch a game properly. Yeah.

58:24Roy Keane: I hate when you're sometimes doing the games and you have to walk up to the studio or walk back and I'm like, I've missed like 20 minutes.

58:30Ian Wright: The only thing I wish I had, the tactical angle of the game as well, because you know when you can see the whole of the pitch. Yeah. That's the thing I love more than anything when you watch it. From behind the goal? Yeah, I love watching the game with that perspective. But are we all guilty of everyone overthinking the game? You're on about Giggsie with the toast and this and... No, it is. You can overthink the game. It's like when you're a manager, you lose a game. You start looking at hotels you stayed at and all. You're going, really? And what time you left, you're going... You're just trying to find margins, right?

58:58Yeah, I know, but you can overthink it. You're on about United, the chaos before the dressing room. If anyone walked in there from Bayern Munich or Barcelona and saw United before the game, I'm going, there's chaos in here. No, but the chaos works. It kind of works. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're losing games, people would point to that and go, he's not a professional for you. Now you can say, we're more relaxed going into the game. Yeah, it's so true.

59:18Roy Keane: That is true.

59:19Gary Neville: Okay, so which teammate would you swap houses with for a week? Hoses. The hoax are his situation.

59:29Ian Wright: Don't go like that. You mean you have to take your family in? You can't leave these houses. Yeah, the family is safe. It should be the family. Is it a material thing? You just leave it to his house. Not White Swamp.

59:45That's what he's saying, like.

59:47Ian Wright: You went straight to White Swamp. Oh, no, I just mean... Like, the lifestyle. You obviously think of your family. No something. I don't know, girl.

59:55Gary Neville: How do you know Bex's house that he has in the country? You don't want to say it here. Did you write this question? I'm right, answering him. Okay, now, Bex in Miami, lovely. His house in the country, I just love his house. Oh, don't want to castles, does it? make some honey make some wine

1:00:11Roy Keane: actually you know what he sent us some honey actually I should have brought it you said message him and he'll reply and he didn't that's how it stands they send you honey at the stand hello honey you know what I think my mate lives next to you by the beach Rachel Brown yeah she's always driving a bike she didn't

1:00:31Gary Neville: did she buy that before she moved in

1:00:36Roy Keane: but I'd like to live there because it's by the beach.

1:00:39Gary Neville: So Jill wants to live next to you, Cara?

1:00:41Roy Keane: More than welcome.

1:00:44Gary Neville: Swap houses. It could be the president. But is it just a house? I'm serious. It could be any famous house, anything. Stevie's house is unbelievable. Oh, my God. The one in Portugal?

1:00:55Ian Wright: All of them. I tell you what, now you think of it, I remember I went to Patrick Vieira's house in Amsterdam. My God, I was like, I said, Nancy, I'm struggling. this is where Patrick's living we're struggling man it was an amazing house yeah unbelievable house Patrick had you know what I'm saying you go in the door

1:01:14Gary Neville: did he earn more money than Roy then no it's not

1:01:17Ian Wright: no honestly he got his contract with you no it's just you drove up the road and it's just on the road the road's right there and you go and it just opened like the TARDIS yeah amazing house

1:01:29Gary Neville: so Patrick Vieira's house yeah he always smells and me truthfully I'm happy with my place of course you are honestly I wouldn't shop for anybody I'm quite content I'm going to tend to with my house.

1:01:37Roy Keane: You have got a nice house. It's a gorgeous house. You have got a nice house. It's a lovely house, yeah. It's an amazing house. It's not a house. Who would you...

1:01:44Ian Wright: It's a home. It's not a house. It's a home. Your guest's home bit was beautiful. And we make everyone feel good when they come. Beautiful it was, thank you. You do do that, actually.

1:01:54Roy Keane: Well, Theresa does. If I could go to a game with anybody, it'd be you.

1:01:56Gary Neville: I'm just... Thanks. Which former teammate would you take to have as your workout buddy?

1:02:02Roy Keane: Oh, God, someone who's lazy.

1:02:04Gary Neville: I'd say Phil. Yeah.

1:02:06Roy Keane: Phil's perfect. You and Phil.

1:02:11Ian Wright: I can imagine you two. It would have been amazing. I'd love to have been a team with you two. It would have been brilliant. Me and Phil. Who would I be?

1:02:19Roy Keane: I'd go for Steph Horton, because I know she still trains as hard. Professional. Yeah, whereas I can't get into a routine. Who was it? Steph's good. I need Steph to drive us.

1:02:28Ian Wright: Martin Keogh.

1:02:30Gary Neville: Oh, yeah. With his studs on. With his studs on one in the gym.

1:02:32Ian Wright: Because you know what? Once Martin went through the training, once he got to the training ground, and it's just, he's straight, he's in. He's ready to go. He's just, like, so ready to... I don't know if I laugh with someone, I think, mate. I wouldn't want to be...

1:02:44Roy Keane: I wouldn't want to be too serious. Yours would be Walt the Dogway.

1:02:48Gary Neville: Roy would say me. Because I trained a lot with him when he was coming back from his injuries. Would you say him, Roy? Would you say him, Roy? I hope he won. Don't let him down, Roy, please. You've just got to be honest and dig deep inside.

1:02:59Roy Keane: He's going to say Dennis...

1:03:00Gary Neville: Even if he doesn't say you, I believe it is you. It is me. So you can't lose. The chances... I know. Dennis is in. Oh, Dennis runs. Oh, Dennis, yeah. Yeah. Dennis looks great, doesn't he? We passed him the other day in the car.

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